173. Exploring Holistic Healing with Dr. Moshe Daniel Block

In this episode, Colette interviews Dr. Moshe Daniel Block, a leader in naturopathic medicine and developer of the VIS dialogue, a mind-body healing technique.

Dr. Block shares his journey from being a sick child in Montreal to developing myasthenia gravis in his twenties. He discusses his commitment to holistic healing, which blends science with natural healing modalities, and critiques the conventional medical approach. Dr. Block emphasizes the importance of addressing the root causes of illness rather than merely suppressing symptoms. 

He shares about his book 'The Revolution of Naturopathic Medicine' and his holistic counseling certification program, the VIS Dialogue, which aims to help individuals get to the core of their health issues through deep mental and emotional healing. 

The conversation covers the mind's power in healing, the importance of true self-alignment, and practical steps for individuals to start their own healing journeys.

02:12 Dr. Block's Personal Health Journey

03:08 The Evolution of Naturopathic Medicine

03:36 Challenges and Misconceptions in Medicine

10:07 Mind-Body Connection and Healing

13:48 Practical Steps for Mind-Body Healing

18:23 Understanding Personal Health Patterns

21:07 Understanding Psychosomatic Reactions

22:11 The Power of Mindfulness and Meditation

23:47 Introducing the VIS Dialogue and Holistic Counseling

24:43 Balancing Diet and Inner Well-being

28:01 The Role of the Subconscious Mind

30:13 Aligning with the 'I Am' for Deeper Understanding

More about Dr. Block:

Moshe Daniel Block, ND, VDP, HMC, VNMI got his degree of Naturopathic medicine from the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (Toronto, Ontario) in 2000 (ND). Dr Block then went on to complete the Homeopathic Master Clinician course with Louis Klein, FSHom, in 2003 (HMC). Dr. Moshe is the author of The Revolution of Naturopathic Medicine: Remaining True to Our Philosophy (2004), a book about the philosophy and practice of naturopathic medicine, and Holistic Counseling – Introducing the Vis Dialogue (2016), a book about the breakthrough healing method uniting the worlds of Mind-Body Medicine & Psychology. He became a Vitalist of the Naturopathic Medicine Institute in 2018 (VNMI). Dr. Moshe has deepened and evolved his breakthrough mind-body medicine technique (The Vis Dialogue) over 25 years of practice, helping thousands of patients achieve life-changing results. He began training doctors in 2012 and has since created his full certification program and also works with those struggling with their own health issues.

Offerings:

• Dr. Moshe offers a training for practitioners on how to do the Vis Dialogue. It's a one year certification program. Click here: Holistic Counseling Certification for Practitioners

• Dr. Moshe offers a six month Health Program for anyone struggling with health issues, mental, emotional, and physical, chronic disease. Click here: https://dr-moshe.com/.

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Our next guest is a leader in naturopathic medicine. He developed and teaches the VIS dialogue, a mind body healing technique that has transformed the lives of thousands of patients overcoming. 

[00:01:10] Colette Brown: Gravis with his own methods.

[00:01:12] He now trains practitioners worldwide through his holistic counseling certification program, author of the revolution of naturopathic medicine and holistic counseling. His groundbreaking work continues to inspire and heal is my great honor to welcome Dr. Moshe Daniel block. Welcome. 

[00:01:31] Moshe Daniel Block: so much, Collette.

[00:01:33] It's a pleasure to be here with you. 

[00:01:35] Colette Brown: It's so nice to have you. And I am all about all things natural. And, while I do feel that there is a little space for the Western medicine and triaging and accidents and getting people triaged, I think that the root of the problem is where we need to go. So we're going to find out.

[00:01:53] About your teachings and your story. So why don't you start with telling us a little bit about yourself? Where did you grow up? Where in the world and any special memory that you hold onto or that might've directed you into the place where you're at today? 

[00:02:10] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. I grew up in Montreal.

[00:02:13] I was always sick as a kid. I had so many things, asthma, recurrent bronchitis, tonsillitis, strep throat. And then I developed myasthenia gravis a little bit later in life in my twenties. And my, feeling was I was often getting injured too. I was like sidelined. I couldn't play with my friends or in the sports that I did.

[00:02:32] And I wanted to help others in the way that I would have liked to have been helped myself. And of course I've had to help myself so that I can help others. Yeah. And then I was, I would, I really liked science and I didn't, there are some modalities out there that are what one might call woo.

[00:02:48] And I'm absolutely fine with woo. I like woo and woo is me. But I also have a sort of a balance of foot in, in science and grounding and stuff like that. So I wanted a path that sort of carry this healing with the science and I thought naturopathic medicine really offered that 

[00:03:06] you might hear some hesitation there just because. The profession has become more into the scientific, conventional medical model rather than actually embracing our roots. And that's part of the topic. That's basically the main intention of my book, The Revolution of Naturopathic Medicine, to address that very issue.

[00:03:24] Colette Brown: Do you think it's it's looked down on, not really looked down on, but people say we need studies to show that this work and those costs a lot of money and it takes a lot of time. 

[00:03:35] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah, that's an excellent point. The conventional medical model, the American Medical Association in particular, has been pushing a, I want to say a false narrative that they're scientific and anybody else is not scientific. It's unscientific. They actually coined that term a long time ago. They call it quackery. So it was a sort of like a.

[00:03:54] A clever marketing campaign to augment the business the business side of the American Medical Association because over 100 years ago, the AMA was just a ragtag bunch. They weren't really that respected, naturopaths, [00:04:10] homeopaths, herbalists, hygienists, and other alternative doctors. We call them alternative now, but they were the main deal then, were really helping people a lot and American Medical Association was not.

[00:04:21] So they came up with a clever campaign. To paint this picture that the only legitimate medicine is their medicine. When if you look at, if you look at their actual outcomes there, it's not, it doesn't add up to what they're saying. But people, people are susceptible. And if you repeat a principle enough times, people start to believe it.

[00:04:41] And including the naturopathic profession has believed it to a certain degree. And exactly what you said, wanted to gain credibility by emulating conventional medicine. And that's just gone a little bit over the top. And there's still a lot of really beautiful modalities that are taught in naturopathic medicine, but generally there's a certain, lack of the healing power of nature that, that could be more present there.

[00:05:05] Yeah. when I went there, that was 25 years ago, I started 25 years ago, there were still really excellent doctors there. They hadn't gotten rid of the elders yet entirely. There was still, they're really teaching the principles of naturopathic medicine, which is less the case today. So 

[00:05:21] Colette Brown: you're sick as a child in your twenties, you developed this.

[00:05:24] So that, that is when you went and started learning about it to heal yourself. 

[00:05:30] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. I went to here to learn to heal myself and I also wanted to be a doctor and I want to be the kind of doctor that. Works with the healing principles of nature and not just the suppressive, the suppression of symptoms, which is the allopathic model.

[00:05:44] And I use the word allopathic and not conventional medical because. Allopathic is the model and a naturopathic doctor or a functional medicine doctor or a conventional medicine doctor, they could use that model, which is simply to to treat the symptoms of the illness rather than treating the underlying like you said, the root cause.

[00:06:03] Yes. Yeah. To alleviate symptoms. Yeah. Which is At times necessary, we should mention, if you're in an acute situation where the symptoms might kill you, then you have to like, there's not the luxury of doing the healing, the real healing, the deep healing, which takes time, you have to address those symptoms or the person is going to die.

[00:06:23] And that's a top priority. So it's good to be able to do that. 

[00:06:26] Colette Brown: Absolutely. 

[00:06:27] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:06:28] Colette Brown: Yeah. They do work together, but when they're, when it's just the Western medicine, we have a big problem. 

[00:06:33] Moshe Daniel Block: Yes. 

[00:06:34] Colette Brown: Cause it's a lot of band aids. 

[00:06:35] Moshe Daniel Block: A lot of band aids and really they don't have they don't have a lot of tools at their fingertips.

[00:06:40] They have anti inflammatories, they've got steroids and this aside from like the specific drugs, let's say blood pressure issues. So like hypotensives and antidepressants and there's these anti drugs, they're all anti the symptom manifestation. So there's not a lot that they really have to offer.

[00:07:01] I do think that conventional, a lot of the doctors are evolving. Because, the whole COVID thing, it really shook the foundation of the world because the authorities, a lot of people were recognizing that the authorities were misleading people. And, the truth has continued to come out more and more.

[00:07:18] So the so called authoritative establishment. And the governing bodies like FDA and all of that, they've lost credibility. And so people are looking for other answers now. And very quickly, like a lot of people are doing that, including, conventional medical doctors who are now becoming more functional.

[00:07:37] And that's a step in the right direction. It's still not, it's still not getting to the depth. Of who we are as humans and the reason for the most part that we actually get sick in my experience, 

[00:07:48] Colette Brown: Do you see a path in which we're going to go back to that. And if so, what is the timeline that you see What would it take to do 

[00:07:57] Moshe Daniel Block: and when you say go back to that, what are you referring to? Go back to natural 

[00:08:00] Colette Brown: medicine as a foundation, like instead of going to a Western medicine doctor I have heartburn and he gives you a proton pump inhibitors or whatever. 

[00:08:10] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. Yeah. And 

[00:08:11] Colette Brown: which is a longterm bad thing on your body, even immediate.

[00:08:15] Yeah. Yeah. Don't think anything about taking. Tums and as an [00:08:20] ongoing basis, like this helps me, I'm taking it. When do we go back to the model of those natural practitioners that are providing long term holistic solutions as opposed to slapping a Band Aid on a problem, a quote problem?

[00:08:37] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah, it's a great question. So I think that our medicine is a reflection of where we are as a people. If people want the healing, the true healing, they recognize it, they'll go for it. And that augmented, it feeds the system, right? People keep going to the old system, then they'll keep being that system.

[00:08:53] So the world is divided now. And some are still in that model of conventional medicine and others are looking for healing. I don't know percentages and I don't know timelines exactly, but it's happening. And eventually it'll be, I think conventional medicine will always have a kind of a place for heroic medicine.

[00:09:11] Cause it's really good at that. And it has the fast emergency methods and that can save a life and they'll continue to refine their game. And then the healing will ultimately switch over into the jurisdiction of the individual and the person. That they know that their health is in their hands. So whatever medicine emanates from that will have to be a reflection of the fact that the person knows that they're sick for a reason.

[00:09:38] The reason it's a good reason that they can learn from and, some kind of misalignment with their true nature or with nature, with God, there's some misalignment there and that creates illness. There's a rub, a conflict. And so different modalities that could help. There's right now on the planet, there's not a lot of modalities that actually dress at that level.

[00:09:58] A lot of the things are like, nutritive detoxifying and still material based, even though they're alternative, they're still material based. They're not addressing. The places in our being because we're multi dimensional beings that hold the biggest punch for healing the mind is quantum levels higher in its healing potential than addressing things at.

[00:10:23] I want to see the physical, but even just at the vital level, like even at the acupuncture level, the chakra level, the healing chi level, all those are higher than working at the boulders of the body, shoving around boulders, but then as you go up, when you liberate the mental emotional field.

[00:10:40] The potential there is massive for healing. 

[00:10:42] Colette Brown: I'm going to pause there because I would love for you to give us an example of how to go to that mind with the power and intention of the healing and show us what that looks like. 

[00:10:56] Moshe Daniel Block: Sure. Sure. Yes. 

[00:10:58] Colette Brown: And I know it can't be covered in five minutes, but you can give us the foundation.

[00:11:02] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. Yeah. I'll do what I can in this time that we have. So basically what we, what I want to start with is a little bit of the foundation of that. So who we really are, we're not our bodies. Our bodies are this amazing tool that we live in. It's their temples. And they're constantly changing from when we're a little baby to where when we're five years old.

[00:11:23] There's no comparison to the change. And then when we're a teenager, an adult, and then an older person, the body's changing and then it dies, but we live on. So the part of us that is the, we is based in pure consciousness. The mind is the closest place of that pure consciousness. It's, it acts both ways.

[00:11:43] The mind can observe the consciousness and be aware of and in harmony with, which is an enlightenment, essentially. And the mind can derive false ideas and misperceptions of reality. And these have the largest impact on the lower echelons, the lower vibrational bodies that we live in. So we all know that we have a mind, we know we have emotions, but we don't, you can't really, grab the mind and put it down on a table and look at it with a microscope or something, but we know that it exists.

[00:12:15] So there are these subtle processes going on. The more and more high the vibration, vibrate vibrational processes, the more impact it has. On our health, a false perception. That's a core, like I'm not good enough or nobody like, like I'm [00:12:30] unlovable. Like these are belief systems that people carry. These will have such massive impacts because.

[00:12:36] A person believes it to be true and then they're trying to either compensate for it, which is exhausting. I'm not good enough. So I have to try this. I have to do this. I have to be extra kind, extra caring, perfect like this. I have to do all these things in order to compensate for the false belief and it's false in the first place.

[00:12:55] That's what's the interesting part. And that's exhausting. That's what burns people's adrenals out. It's what makes them get into trouble and then beat themselves up whereby they develop autoimmune disease it and so on and so forth I could really talk, I could hammer that out for quite a long time all the different nuances and permutations of what we do to ourselves, because we hold these false beliefs.

[00:13:20] They're really central to our suffering, and to the illness. So what we want to do is we want to ask ourselves the question, and it could be posed in the form of a prayer. Thank you God for helping me see what is my deepest underlying problem here for my health. And for my wellbeing, a person could be healthy of body, but extremely unhealthy of emotion in mind.

[00:13:42] That, that does exist and it might exist a lot. So what is it? What is it? So let's say I have low back pain, right? So there's different approaches there. I could go to the Cairo. I could go to the osteo. I can get a painkiller and anti inflammatory. There's a lot of different approaches. I could change my diet.

[00:14:00] Maybe it's related to my gut. Or I can also, and there's not only one answer here, like the mind is not the only answer I want to say, however, it's so powerful that when we get the mind moving in the direction of our true nature, the other things become much less important, including nutrition, much less important.

[00:14:20] It's still really how it's good to eat. There's no doubt about that. But in terms of okay, I have this illness that I'm dealing with. How important is nutrition? It depends on how much you're looking at your mental emotional field. I would encourage people to seek out that answer.

[00:14:35] What is underneath this cancer that I have, autoimmune disease that I have migraines, insomnia, constipation? It, most of the time, there is a clear, pattern there that the body is manifesting. 

[00:14:50] Colette Brown: So if people aren't used to listening and asking those questions, like you said, show me. What's wrong with my body in a prayer?

[00:14:58] How do they get into that state? 

[00:14:59] Moshe Daniel Block: Like 

[00:15:00] Colette Brown: one on one 

[00:15:01] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah, one on one they ask themselves the question Okay, one of my feet what's going on here for me? What do I feel is going on? There's there's the simple intention of asking and Will yield answers in some way because that's your that's where your heart is.

[00:15:18] And that's where you're putting your energy and the answer may be like, Oh, somebody asked me a really good question. I never thought about that or I'll see something in a movie or I'll read it in a book, but really, the the work that I do to help people get to that poor understanding is called the V's dialogue.

[00:15:35] So having somebody train in the beast dialogue would be very helpful if a person wants to get deeper. And I've been training practitioners for about 13, 12, 13 years now and been practicing it for 25 years. So having somebody that's trained in knowing how to ask questions is helpful because I want to just put this out there.

[00:15:54] We can't underestimate how deep is necessary to go to get that release. I think it's helpful, no matter how deep you explore, whether you could even do it superficially and get some answers and then start looking at that, but to get to the place in the subconscious mind where the false belief is embedded and held.

[00:16:18] It takes quite a lot of questions. So if a person wanted to do that and they could sit on their butt for a while and be very patient, they can do it by just simply asking the next question that brings up curiosity. Okay, I got my, I have a migraine headache. All right. What am I feeling here?

[00:16:36] Oh, it's pounding. It's throbbing. And how do I feel about that? What does [00:16:40] that like for me? Oh, it feels like it's oppressive. The pain is oppressive. What do I mean by oppressive? What is the what? How is the oppressive affecting me? It's making me feel closed in, like I have no space. So already it go we can go from the pain or the symptom to where the biology becomes a biography.

[00:17:00] This is, paul Epstein is one of my one of the naturopathic doctors who works like me. We're a few of us that do it like at this level of the mind, 

[00:17:08] Colette Brown: biology, biography. That's powerful. 

[00:17:12] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. It's great. Wow. 

[00:17:13] Colette Brown: Yes. 

[00:17:14] Moshe Daniel Block: Because really that's what's happening. The biography starts first and then the biology reflects that the body is a faithful servant to the mental emotional field.

[00:17:25] Wow. It doesn't act. 

[00:17:26] Colette Brown: Yeah. 

[00:17:26] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. 

[00:17:27] Colette Brown: I like that one too. It's a faithful servant to the emotional being. Yeah. The body 

[00:17:31] Moshe Daniel Block: doesn't act independently. The body doesn't go wrong for shits and giggles. It does so because it's being mandated by the mind. This is what I learned from my own experience with autoimmune disease with myasthenia gravis.

[00:17:45] I was believing that I needed to be perfect. I was beating myself up when I was judging myself as not being perfect enough. And then that beating myself up, the body was reflecting that by attacking myself with my immune cells. That's. In most of the cases of autoimmune disease that I work with Collette I see this theme, a person is hard on themselves, feels bad about themselves, is guilty about something, and they're internalizing bad energy toward themselves.

[00:18:13] So that's like the theme in mind body medicine in autoimmunity. Yes. And yeah. The body is a faithful puppy dog, a faithful servant to the mind. And so when we go from the language, let's say we start investigating, Oh, I have low back pain, I have knee painor I'm constipated or all these things like, okay, so what am I feeling about this?

[00:18:35] What does it bring up for me? Because the, what it brings up for me, it could let's say being constipated could mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people. For one person, it can mean, oh, I'm going to be fat and bloated. And that's not okay because, I, my value, I put a lot of value in how I look because I don't feel very good about myself.

[00:18:57] And what was valued when I was a child was how I looked. So to compensate for how I don't feel good about myself, I need to look good. And so if I'm bloated, that's not good. And therefore constipation means all of that to me. See, like that's the loop for that person. Whereas for another person, it might be that while I'm constipated, it means something's not right with my health.

[00:19:19] And that's not okay because I need to be healthy. I need to be healthy because if I'm not healthy, something is wrong with me. And if something's wrong with me that makes me feel how I felt when I was a child, where I felt something was wrong with me because my mom would give me the cold shoulder when we would, when I wouldn't do something exactly like she, the way she wanted.

[00:19:38] And then I thought something was wrong with me. So being constipated triggers that loop. So there are these specific life. It's, yeah, it's really fascinating. 

[00:19:47] Colette Brown: I know, breast cancer and speaking of the dialogue, I know that since all these the breast cancer awareness, like more women are getting breast cancer because it becomes this fear of let's pack together and while it's good intentioned.

[00:20:03] And I'm not saying don't support or try to find a cure or whatever. It's like the mind it's like a fear based model that everyone's scared together and more of it is happening. 

[00:20:16] Moshe Daniel Block: Yes, that's right. There was a year where there was a lot of campaigning around, check your colon out for colon cancer and then check for lumps for breast cancer. There were so many things and the incidences of cancer. actually augmented. Now you might say that's because people were going and checking them out.

[00:20:33] But it's not just that it's like what you're saying. Like when we put a lot of attention to something it can, it puts a lot of energy there for sure. And I do think that the whole breast cancer thing is a big racket, like they're making a lot of money, raising a lot of money. But the incidence of breast cancer are not [00:20:50] changing.

[00:20:50] So after all these billions of dollars of research that have gone in what are they researching? Where is that money actually going? And I'm not saying that they're embezzling all the money, but they're channeling it into a model, which is just the wrong model to look at. They haven't made any progress.

[00:21:06] So anyway, that's that. So there is something like the mind is very powerful. There's a difference between a false belief system manifesting as a chronic illness and then a psychosomatic reaction. So psychosomatic, sometimes people confuse these two things. Psychosomatic is Oh no. Oh gosh.

[00:21:24] I have a job interview. I always get sweaty during a job interview and then they start sweating because they psychically somatically create that in their body. Usually psychosomatic is pretty fast. It's Oh, I'm allergic to cats. So my nose is itchy all of a sudden, right? There's a cat in the room.

[00:21:41] And I'm not saying that the person is not it, not actually allergic, but when the mind says, Oh, this is what's going to happen in this condition, that is psychosomatic versus I'm not good enough. And therefore I have to try hard. And therefore I'm burning the candle at both ends. And therefore I get stomach ulcer.

[00:22:00] Like the mind is not going, I need a stomach ulcer, it's going, I'm not good enough. And I'm doing all these things is manifesting as a stomach ulcer. So that's a bit of a difference there in terms of that. 

[00:22:10] Colette Brown: Fascinating. How, and then I would say that, yes, the mind is the master, right?

[00:22:15] Yeah. It, and. It's also multi directional because we do need to not eat processed food and McDonald's every day. And we do need to exercise these temples that we live in and we do need to have healthy relationships. And so I think it's multifaceted starting with that mental state of, I, for me every morning I meditate every, it's just one of my non negotiables.

[00:22:41] Like I just. I breathe. I do breath work. I have really good thoughts coming through and that whole manifesting practice. And that for me, if I don't do it, I can tell during the day. I, and then hopefully I'll have time to sit down and just say, okay, reset, I need to stop and I need to breathe and I need to recalibrate and, being thankful and the gratitude and everything that's coming into it.

[00:23:08] So sure. What is the first step? So somebody wants to make a difference. Would you say for them that they can start with breath work, just try to start tuning in because a lot of people aren't going to be able to dig down and say, when my mom or my dad or my friend or somebody at school did this to me, this is where it started.

[00:23:30] And a lot of times. That's where it started. So yeah. Yeah. Childhood. Try to go back to a situation. Is it just like tracing the steps or do you have a process in which people can really get to the root of the problem quickly to extract? 

[00:23:45] Moshe Daniel Block: Yes. Yes. I do have a book also and I recommend my book.

[00:23:51] So let's say somebody is not ready to dive into the full process because I, if you really want to get to learn what the false beliefs are that are governing your suffering, then I would recommend the beast dialogue is a very good step in that direction. But you can also read the book and it's a much smaller commitment that could have a lot of.

[00:24:08] A lot of payoffs. Some people could read that, start asking themselves the questions and then get a clear answer there. 

[00:24:14] Colette Brown: And give us the name of your book. Yeah, it's 

[00:24:16] Moshe Daniel Block: called Holistic Counseling, not with a W, just an H, with one L, and it's introducing the VIS Dialogue, V I S Dialogue. That's the name of the book.

[00:24:26] You can get on Amazon and people have had actually healing of physical problems of chronic illness of depression by changing their mindset and recognizing these So simple but very powerful facts about who we are and what is most healing. So that I would recommend that, and I agree that it's really good to, to do things in moderation.

[00:24:49] A diet, I wouldn't go gung-ho and go crazy about diet and then be restrictive. Worrying about, Oh, I had a little bit of that. I think that mindset is unhealthy and I think it's [00:25:00] also unhealthy to eat absolute junk food and garbage. Yeah. There's a balance. There's a balance. And, it's hard because I'm a practitioner, I'm a doctor, and when I have tried to get people to change their diet, when their diet is a reflection of how they feel about themselves, it's hard, because their diet is actually a reflection.

[00:25:20] Of the inner life, the inner workings. And it's almost like throwing rocks in the grand canyon a little bit by trying to change their diet. Okay. We're going to get you eating good here, and you're going to stop drinking coffee here and stop going to McDonald's and craft dinner yada.

[00:25:35] And the person's yeah, come on, let's do it. And their will grabs them and does it, but anything that is strictly will based with time. The will, you lose the will unless you're one of those Uber gung ho people, which who drives themselves with will constantly and entirely, 

[00:25:53] Colette Brown: which is a whole other problem, 

[00:25:55] Moshe Daniel Block: which is a whole other problem.

[00:25:57] Exactly. Because then you have a discrepancy where the person is going to be maintaining by the strength of their will, this external health. Through diet and exercise and stuff and internally they're hurting, they're wounded, they're out of alignment. So it creates a schism. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, there's I do think, recognizing like starting by recognizing this fact.

[00:26:19] Okay. I'm a multi dimensional being. I'm not just my body. That's a big step right there. The next step would be, okay, my mind is super important. What I'm thinking inside of myself is super important. And I'm going to make a little app in the back of my mind, not to go crazy or anything, but to monitor what's going on in my mind and my emotions.

[00:26:39] We can do that. That's not that hard. Yeah. You create an app, doesn't take up too much RAM in your mind so that you're present in your life, but you, but it's going there so that it recognizes, Oh, I just thought. I just thought you son of a bitch to myself because I said something that I thought was wrong.

[00:26:57] What the heck is that about? So that would start the ball in the right direction. And then a person can be anywhere along the spectrum of can work it out themselves to feels very helpless in this world and needs help. If you need help, it's fine. It's available. Look for it, read the book or whatever.

[00:27:16] And you may be in between where you like to slog things out on your own, right? And I honor all paths. All of those paths are good. 

[00:27:24] Colette Brown: Sure. Yeah. 

[00:27:25] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. 

[00:27:25] Colette Brown: Yeah, those are some good tips and getting the book. Do you also have it on audible by any chance? Did you do an, 

[00:27:32] Moshe Daniel Block: no nothing audible, nothing narrated but yes, 

[00:27:36] Colette Brown: yeah.

[00:27:37] Moshe Daniel Block: It's an ebook. Like you could get an ebook and I think there might be like PDF readers or something, yeah, there are, that's you're not going to have me narrating or maybe someone like who would be a cool narrator for my book, Morgan Freeman, the voice. 

[00:27:51] Colette Brown: The voice of 

[00:27:51] Moshe Daniel Block: God. 

[00:27:52] Colette Brown: Exactly. 

[00:27:53] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah. Certainly. Yeah. It might be a nice idea at some point to get it narrated. That'd be cool. Yeah. Plant some seeds there. Sure. And yeah. And in meditation, when there's certain times in our lives when there's the veil is thinner between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind.

[00:28:09] So when you're doing breath work, you're doing meditation and you just allow yourself, don't use your mind like this. Like robotic laser blaster, but just, sit with it, relax and observing in observing mode. That's actually really helpful. And then also right when you're falling asleep, better when you write, when you're waking up, cause now you're waking up and you don't want to engage your mind when you're falling asleep, but when you're waking up right before that process, you can see things.

[00:28:35] You can recognize patterns dreams can also bring you in touch with that part of yourself. The deeper parts, the parts that are beyond the conscious mind in the dark, right? And that's what the Viest Dialogue does. It takes the person and it brings their conscious mind, which is like a flashlight into the dark parts of the subconscious that were are beyond our awareness.

[00:28:56] What's actually happening there is conscious thought that has just become so in the background of your mind that it's gone into the subconscious. So at one point it was conscious, it just became repetitive and then you stopped listening to [00:29:10] it like a buzz going on in the, in your room. You don't think of it anymore, but it's there.

[00:29:15] It's affecting you, but it's there. So that's what the unconscious is. It's not some supernatural space. It's who we are. Who, what, not who we truly are, but who we, what we have held as reality that we just take it for granted. And now we stop remembering that's what we're saying. That's all the subconscious is really some levels of the subconscious could go into in your utero when you were so in formation that you didn't even realize of course you didn't realize it consciously and even past lives.

[00:29:45] The subconscious is where past life bubbles come up from. So you might have been, I never felt that way towards it. And then you got married or you had kids or you got dumped for the first time, or you went into university or different things can trigger those moments that. Bring out the subconscious, right.

[00:30:04] That bring out the past life or whatever. 

[00:30:06] Colette Brown: Yeah. 

[00:30:06] Moshe Daniel Block: So yeah. Yeah. 

[00:30:08] Colette Brown: Yes. There's layers and layers. 

[00:30:10] Moshe Daniel Block: Yes, definitely. Definitely layers and layers. 

[00:30:12] Colette Brown: Yeah. So when does somebody know, cause obviously Our bodies, we age and they don't last forever. And if you're living in a state of really well being and you're in harmony with the mind what are some ways to even go, take it to the next level for those that are really, just centered and healthy and they've got this great, practice that they're doing and they're checking in with themselves, like how can someone take it to the next level?

[00:30:42] Moshe Daniel Block: Oh, wow. That's a great question. My first reaction to that question is You can always go deeper into understanding the layers of false belief, because there might be individual ones, but then there's collective belief systems, the belief systems that we have because I'm a man, or I'm a Caucasian man, or I'm Jewish, or I live in America, or there's certain things that we take for granted as a collective.

[00:31:07] So you start with your individual stuff and you clear that out and then you're working on the collective reality. And that happens naturally because when you clear stuff, the universe has this way of just bringing the next thing up on the roster for you to work with. 

[00:31:22] Colette Brown: It's so true. 

[00:31:23] Moshe Daniel Block: We can't avoid that.

[00:31:24] So we're working with our individual stuff. Then we're working with our collective baggage. It could be the familial family stuff. It could be cultural. It could be religious. And just to keep working at it and to be very open minded that ultimately there's only one true statement about who we really are, and that is I Am.

[00:31:42] That's it. And I Am, and your I Am, and God's I Am are the same I Am. So that is how to up your game, is to align with the I Am and recognize that beyond all the ways we define ourselves. And we believe ourselves to be there is this I am that is the template, the substratum of our very existence. So that in my present incarnation is Moshe.

[00:32:07] When Moshe goes on to the next point of evolution, there's something that never changes. And it remains me. So that I would recommend as being like, if you want to go into understanding that, there's some very well hammered out bodies of knowledge on the planet. That really share generously and well and like ATA of the yogic path, I really am fond of crea yoga because I find the crea yoga is balanced between the spiritual and the physical.

[00:32:35] So a lot of the yoga is either very spiritual, like a means non-dualism. It's all is one and it's beautiful teaching. So that's how you can learn about the I am. And there's a lot of it out there. There's a lot of great teachers on YouTube. It's an amazing aid. You can access this for free. Just watch videos of Paramahansa Yogananda's teachings, the autobiography of a Yogi Ramana Maharishi.

[00:32:58] And then there's, there's so many. My teacher is really great. He has great books. Marshall goin, there's a lot of stuff out there. But in every tradition there is this principle of I am in Judeo-Christian, Moses asks God what God's name is and God says, I am that. I am Asher.

[00:33:16] So understanding it doesn't require any particular [00:33:20] path because the I am is. In fact, that's what it means. It's pure isness. It's beyond all thought. It's beyond all definition. It's beyond all attachment. It's pure stillness. And that's who we really are. Just knowing that one can fall back into it.

[00:33:34] By letting go, stilling the mind, presiding in peace. This is how to bring it to the next level for sure. 

[00:33:41] Colette Brown: Yeah. That's beautiful. Thank you. And one question I asked my guests before the end is if this was the last message that you had to broadcast out to the world, what would it be? 

[00:33:52] Moshe Daniel Block: It would be that the most, the greatest determinant of health is to be oneself.

[00:33:58] Be who you are. And that translates on different levels, like ultimately that means the I am that I am be that, which means reside in stillness and peace. There's nothing you need outside of yourself. So when you think like the I am is unconditionally okay. It's okay. It's at peace. It's fine as it is.

[00:34:18] There's nothing you need. As soon as you find yourself believing that you need X, Y, Z to be happy, you've become trapped and attached to that. And that's what leads to suffering. So just be okay with who you are. And that can also mean, be yourself. If you like being a certain way, you're quirky or you're quiet or you're serious or, be yourself, just own who you are.

[00:34:42] Colette Brown: That's the greatest determinant of health. Everything else is commentary or details, right? That's what I would recommend. And if someone is wanting to dive deeper and teach this, you actually have a course. Why don't you tell us about that? 

[00:34:57] Moshe Daniel Block: Yeah, sure. So I have a program, it's a one year certification program where a person learns the foundation and then they practice it.

[00:35:05] You can practice it right away and then you deepen it with the advanced course. Okay. Thanks. And there's mentoring involved in your own healing path. Because it's very important in this program to physician heal thyself or healer heal thyself. Otherwise, you can't get anywhere with the beast dialogue as a practitioner.

[00:35:20] And that is available through my website. You could see it. It's holistic. Like the title of the book dash counseling with one l dot C. A. And so you could read about it. Watch videos, very inspiring videos and read about the program itself. There's that. And then there's also the just if you're just interested in personal health program, there's Dr.

[00:35:42] D. R. Dash, like a minus sign Moshe. M O S H E. com. And you can reach me either way. That would be good. 

[00:35:50] Colette Brown: And that's for working one on one with you, not doing a certification program. That's right. That's beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing your life wisdom and all that you've had from this lifetime past lifetimes that you've consolidated into books and sharing one on one with people, I think it's just, it's a gift and I think we need more of this.

[00:36:13] So I appreciate all you're doing. 

[00:36:15] Moshe Daniel Block: Thank you so much. And I really appreciate Having the opportunity to come and have this lovely conversation with you about the things that I love talking about and passionate about. So thank you for that, for holding the space. 

[00:36:27] Colette Brown: Thank you. Thank you. And everyone else until next time be well.