190. Embracing Your Innate Resilience: A Conversation with Dr. Eva Selhub

In this episode, we hear from Dr. Eva Selhub, a physician, author, and speaker specializing in resilience, stress management, and mind-body medicine. Dr. Selhub discusses her journey from growing up in Israel and the United States to becoming a former Harvard medical instructor. She highlights key moments from her career, including her personal battle with stress and near-fatal health issues, which led her to blend traditional medicine with holistic practices. This dialogue explores her books, including 'Your Health Destiny,' 'The Love Response,' and 'The Stress Management Handbook,' and offers practical advice on developing resilience, managing stress, and fostering a growth mindset. Dr. Selhub also shares her approach to patient care, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness, stress regulation, and self-compassion. Additionally, she introduces her upcoming 10-week online program designed to help individuals flourish both personally and professionally. Tune in for an insightful discussion on integrative health, resilience, and holistic wellness.

00:58 Introduction to Dr. Eva Seh Hub
01:53 Childhood Memories and Early Influences
03:40 Journey to Medical School
05:54 A Life-Changing Incident
10:08 Discovering Mind-Body Medicine
13:08 Three Steps to Overcoming Stress
17:51 The Love Pyramid: Building Social Connections
19:07 Spiritual Love: Connecting to Something Greater
19:31 Advice for Graduates: Finding Your Why
21:00 Navigating Medical Studies: Staying Open-Minded
22:40 Coaching and Workshops: Building Resilience
24:28 Overcoming Obstacles: Letting Go of Suffering
28:02 The Power of Language: Shaping Our Reality
31:06 Final Thoughts: Embracing Magic and Creativity

Learn more about Dr. Selhub:

Her books: https://www.drselhub.com/books/

Website: https://www.drselhub.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drevaselhub/

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Our next guest [00:01:00] is a physician, author, and speaker. She specializes in resilience, stress management, and mind body medicine, blending science with holistic wellness. Her books include Your Health Destiny, the Love Response, and the Stress Management Handbook, which explores how to shift negativity into positivity.

Colette Brown: A former Harvard medical instructor, she now offers lectures, training, and consulting on integrative health. It is my great honor to welcome Dr. Eva Seh hub. Welcome, Dr. Seh hub. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. I am so happy to have you. I love when. Especially we have doctors that come in with this holistic approach and you have the marriage of these two beautiful worlds because I think we need both.

So let's dive right in. So I'd like to get to know a little more about you. So who were you as a little kid, you have a [00:02:00] favorite childhood memory. Where were you in the world when you were growing up? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: I love these kind of questions because they're not so different than where I am now.

I think like I, you, I went in through this in-between phase of adulting and then going back to, remembering what it's like to look at the world with magical eyes. So I grew up I grew up in Israel until I was seven, and then came to the States and have been here ever since.

And my, my fondest childhood memories really was running around in nature. I just, I, until this day, remember, the smell of the pine cones of that would just, they just bring me peace, that smell of pine cones. So running around in nature and just being a freedom, loving, rambunctious child.

Remember my principal had said to me, eva, why is her hair always in such disarray? And why are you so rambunctious? And I was so upset. I didn't know what rambunctious meant. And I went home and I asked my mom, and she said, it just, she said, it means wild. I said, oh. Great. And then I grew up and I got more rigid and, [00:03:00] scientific and, programmed into doctor and left that and said, wait a minute.

Yes. I, who am I? And also when I was younger, I this, I'm aging myself right now, showing my age, but in 1976, I don't know if it predated or maybe at the same time, but there was a show called isis. There was this li, I don't even know if she was a librarian or scientist or something like that would, woo.

Turn around and become ISIS who was able to telepathically move things and energetically move things go like this and she could move trucks. And that was who I wanted to be. 

Colette Brown: To 

Dr. Eva Selhub: be Isis, I wanted to be medicine woman, 

Colette Brown: yeah. So when did Fast 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Forward, that's what I did 30 years later, but 40 years later, but 

Colette Brown: amazing.

So when did you know, okay, I'm gonna go to med school, like this is what I wanna do. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: I always knew. I don't know that it was ever a question. My father is a biochemist, is a scientist who worked in nutrition and so he worked in hospitals and the people who worked with him were doctors.

And so that, and my mom was a. Was an [00:04:00] audiologist. So she worked with hear the hearing and speech and audiology. So she was also working in hospital. So it wasn't really a question. I don't, my, my siblings didn't go into medicine but for me, it wasn't a question. I always knew that science was a real, a strong point for me.

I was interested in that. I was interested in the medicine woman things. So I think for as long as I can, either that or a rock star, but I can't remember any words to any song. So that wasn't possible. I'm not kidding. I actually did see, that was the two ways I saw myself. But I did always see myself as some type of, mystical healer.

So doctors, the thing that we did, 'cause, we were up in hospitals, around doctors and academics. That's what, that's, so there wasn't just really any other option. 

Colette Brown: And what was your undergrad in? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: I studied, I knew that I was going to medical school. Okay? So I thought if I'm going to be doing science for the rest of my life, why would I study science now?

Now, I'm one of the best schools in the world and the most brilliant professors I'm ever going to be able to. Be connected [00:05:00] with. So I'm gonna study whatever I can. So I, my major was in anthropology. And then I minored in fine arts and did the pre-med stuff on the side. So I really did a whole well-rounded, went to London for a year.

So I did everything I could to just get as much as possible. 

Colette Brown: That's amazing. I love that. So then you graduate and where does that take you? I. It took me to a year off. Okay. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: My, my mother said to me, maybe, you wanna take a year off and see if you really wanna be a doctor. She said you could do so many different things and is this what you really wanna do?

And I took a year off and I worked in a lab. So even like I did anything. Yes, it was what I wanted to do. And so I took a year off and then I went to BU Medical School, Boston University. And the goal was to do a three year residency in medicine and then move on to do a fellowship in pulmonary.

That was my dream. I really wanted to work in the ICU. Really save lives. But that got sidetracked when in my, the end of my second year of my residency. So this [00:06:00] is 1996, so just to paint a picture. And in the nineties, HIV was a really bad thing to get. There was no cure, there was no medication that would treat it.

People died horrible deaths and got really sick. And I, in 1996, at the end of my second year of residency, I was. A procedure with a patient who had HIV and the needle slipped and I. Was stuck with the needle. Wow. And it was a very big exposure. It was a big needle, lots of blood, and I really had to face my mortality and go on 14 different pills a day to prevent, try to prevent conversion to keep me from getting the virus.

And back then, that was just new. It just came out. The NIH was the post-exposure, prophylactic cocktail, so I had sort of six weeks. Of complete despair, complete distress, complete sort of bargaining if there is a God. 

And really a look at my life and what I was doing and did I really wanna do this?

So up until then, it was just [00:07:00] really gung ho, really a powerhouse that nobody could challenge, rarely ask for help. Did you know it was just super strong-willed and that brought me to my knees. My sister said to me, it's taken 28 years for you to ask for help. There's something wrong with that.

Wow, that this took this, yes. For you to learn, ask for help. It was, there was a lot of shame involved. It was a lot of fear. I thought I was going to die alone. Unloved was stuck with medical school loan bills because no one was gonna hire me. So it was just complete despair. And I, was thinking like if I'm a better person, I'm a nicer person, then you know, I'll, you'll let me live kind of thing.

So after six weeks of not I of, just being so sick mentally and physically, I, said I can't do this again. 

And why would I do this again? And there were so many conflicting realizations that came up for me. One is that we live in a country in the western civilization that doesn't honor death.

Colette Brown: We don't 

Dr. Eva Selhub: know. We try to keep something till the very end and there's no dignity in [00:08:00] it. And did this, is this what I really wanna do? Do I really want to pretend to save lives and not honor the cycle of life? Or do I wanna learn and teach others how to have a life? 

How to have a glorious life, like which one is it?

And I chose the latter, just that was what was more meaningful to me. And so when the six weeks were up and I tested negative, knowing that I had to continue getting tested for the next year to be out of the danger zone. I thought I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's not going to be this fellowship.

I'll guess I'll do primary care until I figure it out. But I need to learn more about people and you need to learn more about living so that when I finish my residency a year later after a slew of devastating events. Just so you can get an idea, the needle stick happened in, in June.

Then a month later, or maybe two months later, my dog died. Then my grandfather died. Then somebody started harassing me that I had to take to court, and then my apartment burned down, and then my father had a heart attack all within five months. Wow. [00:09:00] Need, needless to say, I was brought to my knees. Yes.

I became profoundly depressed. I didn't have the energy to live. I didn't wanna take my own life only because of what it would do to others. 

But I just didn't have the energy to live anymore. And trying to finish out your third year of your residency and take your boards is a little bit challenging when you're in that place.

And I walked around like a robot for about five months and maybe more. And until somebody took me out to lunch or dinner, a friend took me out to dinner and she said, we miss you. You haven't been the same in a year since the needle stick. We want you back. I've told this story a million times and I still don't know what it was that brought me back.

I just remember sitting on my bed and going, huh, you've been walking around like a victim this whole time. You keep saying, why me? Why me? Why me? I work so hard and I do so much, yet I keep punished. Why me? It's the wrong question. It's not why me? It's, why not? Nature just as soon lets a forest fire burn as a flower bloom.

It's not personal. Why are you taking this personally? Why do [00:10:00] people take things personally? The distress, makes a whole situation so much worse. I need to look into this. Why do I have such low self-esteem? Where's that? That inquiry, that self inquiry led me to then go and volunteer at the MINDBODY Medical Institute, which was part of Harvard, which is where I had gotten my first job as a primary care doctor at a Harvard hospital, and that's where I learned about MINDBODY medicine, about meditation and nutrition and exercise and spirituality and social support, and all the different things that support an individual's body to heal.

Mentally, physically, spiritually, and started employing these things with my patients. I, they soon asked me to be the medical director a year into it, and then there I was. So you 

Colette Brown: went taking classes and then you became part of it? I 

Dr. Eva Selhub: volunteered. I volunteered as a as to support. So I would sit in the groups and help facilitate, so I volunteered.

So you were 

Colette Brown: learning and helping support all at the same time. Wow. Yep. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: And then they said, we need a are doctors leaving? Would you be willing to [00:11:00] take over? And I said, sure, why not? How hard can it be? So that was it. And so then I. I studied and I learned and I researched. I researched the research and started bringing all this disparaging research together into one and said, what is really going on here?

And I developed an expertise in the application of stress physiology. Fast forward five years, I. I just could not do this primary care job anymore. They were changing model over to what it is today, this incentive model. I said the day I start counting my patients as numbers is the day I have to leave. I left.

I quit my primary care job in 2002, continued on as a medical director part-time, took on an extra job so I could pay bills, and just started studying with healers. Energy medicine, Chinese medicine, whatever I could get my hands on. And then 2003, I opened up my own press practice, integrating all different forms of medicine, bringing it all together, doing energy medicine, intuitive counseling, whatever, nutrition, the whole gamut to support individuals to heal themselves.

I didn't wanna take the [00:12:00] responsibility. I think that model is off. Where the go with the doctor to be fixed. Whereas you're the only one that can really be fixed, but you need support to do that, right? You can only fix yourself, but you need the support to do that. And that's what this model was for up until 2019 when I closed the practice.

And turned over into a more coaching model, which got pulled into working in corporate environments, working with leadership, working with executives ultimately because, as a doctor, you can work with one person at a time, but it's not gonna make that big of a difference. Difference if they're going into toxic cultures, whether it's a toxic home or a toxic workplace.

And for me it was creating cultures of care, starting to create new narratives, new language, how we approach each other, how we approach stress, which is, can be very positive. 

Colette Brown: And to 

Dr. Eva Selhub: truly be able to be resilient and flourish. And so that's where it's, it took me to where I am today. 

Colette Brown: That's amazing.

So if someone's listening and they're. In your situation that you were a few years back, do you have three things that you can give them that they could implement [00:13:00] today that could help pull them out of that mindset and into the present where they could be living their purpose? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Yeah, I think the first thing is to remember that.

How the stress response works. 

So when you're, and this is the stress response is what allows us to adapt to this multidimensional dynamic earth that we're on. 

It also helps us be able to be aware of threats so that we can avoid them or run away from them, or fight them or correct them.

It's not, and that's the default mode. The default mode isn't happiness and sunshine because our ancestors. Didn't live that way. They lived in very difficult times. 

They had to be aware of predators. They had to in involve all their senses to be able to be aware. Now their senses were also there for them to enjoy and appreciate life because it was so precious.

At the same time, our modern day life was were, we're quite lazy. We don't need to use our senses. We've got lights, we've got McDonald's, we've got all these things, so we don't need to use our senses to be aware of something. [00:14:00] However, our brain hasn't evolved. So it still thinks we're in the wilderness being chased by predator.

So it doesn't determine between a real or an imagined threat as long as it's a threat to your, as long as into your brain. The perception is a threat that I can't see the end of. I can't manage. Your brain thinks you're being chased by lion. Doesn't matter. So that's the first thing. So the first step is awareness.

Okay? Understanding and awareness of that. When I go into a negative emotional state or distress, my brain thinks I'm about to die. Which isn't true. 

Okay. So that's number one. So number two is how do I change that? Because trying to change that by just thinking about it is difficult because trying to think away a shiver it's a physiological response.

So the second thing is I'm aware that I'm in a negative space, and when I'm in a negative space, my mind goes into victim mode because that's 

Colette Brown: normal. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Which is a fixed mindset. Which is a limited mindset. I can't, I won't, I'll never, I can't see the end of, to the end of the tunnel, right?

[00:15:00] Normal. Okay. Because it's meant to get you to move from point A to point B, right? What we want is to have our mind open to possibilities. We wanna go into what people call the growth mindset. I call the opportunity mindset 

Colette Brown: where the, 

Dr. Eva Selhub: where is the opportunity for me. But, so the first step is awareness.

Just be aware, non-judgmental awareness, which we call mindfulness. Be mindful of the way you feel. Okay. I feel open. I feel closed. I feel happy. I feel sad. I feel fixed. I feel optimistic. Nothing's good or bad. It's just noticing one, two is nervous system safety mode. Getting that, that, that stress response into the relaxation response, getting into the, into this motive.

I'm okay, which is true at this very moment. I'm okay. I'm not being chased by a line. 

Colette Brown: And is that through meditation? Is that breath work? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: All different kinds. Those were all the different tools come in, be breath work could be mindfulness, it could be meditation, it could be Qigong or yoga. It could be maybe getting this energy out of your know, [00:16:00] boxing.

And 

Colette Brown: then 

Dr. Eva Selhub: taking some deep breaths. It could be like an ex doing some exercise or whatever. That may be. In the moment though, if you're sitting at your desk it's probably going to be some, doing some deep breathing or counting, but it's the different modalities that will bring the nervous system into safety mode.

Okay. Mindfulness is, again, one of the easiest things to do in this type of situation, but there are many different ways. The sec, the third step is self-compassion, because the other piece of this is that when the, that response is activated. You feel bad, you're like a baby that's crying who doesn't know why.

Yeah. You don't yell at the baby. You don't put the baby down, shame the baby. You just say, Hey, I got you. It's okay. So to knowing that whatever you're going through is human and that other people are going through this as well. So self-compassion. 

that's work on shared humanity.

So it's awareness, self-awareness, stress regulation. And self-compassion. And once I'm in that place, I have better access to the things that will support me to get through something I'm better able to navigate. I'm better [00:17:00] able to then find opportunity or the blessing in disguise. 

Colette Brown: Yes. That's a great oxygen mask remedy to come, right?

Get the oxygen mask on, get your brain thinking, start triaging the situation so that you don't get stuck in that rut because that rut, if you get stuck in it, becomes really deep. If you've ever been stuck in your car in some kind of a trench, then you'll understand the analogy that it's really hard to get out once you've locked yourself in there.

And then also I think that huge component of surrounding yourself with people like the, your friend that said, okay, it's been a year, Eva, we need you back. That's enough. We've given you, we've given you reprieve. We understand. The stress that you've been under. But come on let's go. We missed go.

Yes. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: And that's the other thing. So that's the self-love, right? Is one. And this is from the first book. The love response is what I call the love pyramid. So for the, one of the most important ones is our social [00:18:00] love. The social lot. Social. We, again our ancestors do not live alone in the wilderness.

We lived in community and. A community where everybody had value. So to be surrounding yourself, and if you don't have it now, starting to build it. Whether you call it your soul family or your soul network or whatever that may be, it doesn't have to be your immediate family. 'cause oftentimes our immediate family are toxic.

They're not fuel. Everything's fuel. By the way, what fuels me to thrive or what is, toxic and causing me to dive. So it's all fuel. But some fuels high octane in some of it is vegetable oil correct. So figuring out what, what is best going to serve me to be at my highest and best self so that I can also support my community.

It's not just about me, it's about me being part of a community because they don't exist without me and I don't exist without them. It's, that interconnection. So by building and learning how to build a positive and quality support system where [00:19:00] we have healthy and loving relationships, both professionally and personally, that in itself will support us to thrive and be resilient.

The third love is spiritual love, which is our connection to something greater, something profound that'll, that, that, that keeps us going. Whether that's a sense of purpose or it's a sense of connection to nature, or it's your religious belief system. We know that people who have a stronger sense of spirituality or happier and healthier.

Colette Brown: Yeah. That, those are such great tips. I love that. So if someone, let's say that we've got. Graduation coming up for high schoolers. And also for college students that are finishing their undergrad and they're moving on into the next step. And let's say that they are, they're wanting to do pre-med or it could be for whatever they want to do.

What advice do you give those young people? Because I believe that's the beauty of us having life experience, that we can reflect back [00:20:00] and. Give that instruction and advice to those that are coming after us. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Yeah, it's a really good question. I, a lot of times I'll ask, make sure that they're sure. The first thing is I ask why, what's your why?

Some people, why I wanna be a doctor I want, but what's your why? Because it's not an easy profession to go into. Yeah. It's not like it was. And it's you don't have as much as agency and autonomy as you used to. And there are so many, there's so many obstacles that were there before that are now, even more of.

So what's your why? 'cause it's not an easy thing to do. And because that's the purpose. That's the meaning and the purpose. That I encourage them to continuously reflect on what, why there's no wrong here. Just really sitting with your why and saying does my, do my core values match the core values of whatever I'm going into?

So that's the first thing I say, what's your why? Why would you wanna do that? There's all these other things available now that weren't available 30 years ago. It's certainly not money anymore either. What's your plan? [00:21:00] What you want, right? And then I also tell them to stay open.

Because what happens in any study of anything is that you become, it's very rigorous and the more rigorous it is, the more closed-minded you become to thinking that's the only way. And you get brainwashed. Everybody does the school systems. They're, the curriculum it's a brainwashing in a way that gets us to think in a certain way that society expects us to do.

And that medicine is so much. Faster than what we've given. De Descarte was the first, one of the first people to separate the mind from the body, which we now know was wrong. So to be open to understanding that the body is a landscape of nature and that what you learn in the allopathic sense is only partially.

We need to know that there's so much more not to invalidate it. It's hugely valid and very interesting and fascinating and so cool. And keep that in mind. Keep the awe as part of your your rep in your repertoire [00:22:00] of just like always being in awe of how cool it is. And also remember the other stuff that there's other medicines that have existed way before allopathic medicine that allowed people to exist and to heal, and that there's value in all things.

Colette Brown: That's beautiful. So if you're a student, press rewind. Not like the way that we used to press. Rewind on the tapes. I know. Press your 15 second, go back in time 

Dr. Eva Selhub: and then the tape would get all mixed up and 

Colette Brown: yes, I know. There, there should be a museum that young. The young people have to go in and see what we used to do with, the phone like the rotary 

Dr. Eva Selhub: phone.

Colette Brown: Yeah, rotary phone and the tape, the eight track, all that. All that good stuff. Very nice. So today in your work, how do you work with people? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Usually it's through either workshops or individual work. And I'm also currently in the process of, hopefully we'll be out. In May or June is a 10 week online program that you can do with me or without [00:23:00] me.

We, we do, I do coaching, if you will. There's no, no clinical work and it's a coaching that is based on everything that I've done up until this moment that helps people both personally and professionally to become resilient and flourish. And we go through any obstacles, any stressors any core beliefs that are inhibiting that person from.

Living their optimal and best life. And like I said, I either do intensive workshops, I do short workshops. A lot of it's individual work. And in this 10 week program, you can opt to do one or the other. You can just get the program, which will be videos and written material. Or you can do the videos with coaching.

You can do the videos with group sessions. Very nice. I'm gonna offer a lot more things in the next couple months. 

Colette Brown: That's great. And so when you're working with people or in your years of practice, what's the one thing that you find that people just headbutt against and it's hard for them to see what their [00:24:00] headbutting against, like it might be like a common theme of.

The resistance or is it the poor relationships? Or is it the old mindset of how they grew up and you know where they're stuck? What is it for most people? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: That's also really good question because, I think about the people who continue on and are able to move beyond this. And then there's the people who just can't get moved beyond this and I send 'em to therapists.

And I say that because. The biggest obstacle is to be willing to let go of the identity of suffering. And so

we've all had a past and we've all incurred challenges. That's what makes all of us resilient to a certain extent. Some people more than others identify with those challenges. And keep saying, this happened to me, this happened to me, this happened to me, and we talk about it in therapy, which is necessary in order for us to learn from it and grow.

However, focusing on it and giving it so much energy [00:25:00] also creates the I victim identity of this happened to me as opposed to, I learned from this and this is where I am today. And so people who are not ready to let go of their attachment to a story. And that happens often. And yet, with most people, they're able to, I catch them, we catch they, they learn to catch it themselves and are able to start shifting forward into the now mind mindset.

And again, it's not to invalidate what happened in the past. We heal it, we give it a lot of love. We just don't give it an identity. We don't simulate our identity with it anymore, we move beyond it. And that's very difficult for people because it's all they know. The idea of letting go of something that's partnered with them for so long can be very scary to look into a world of, who am I without this?

Who, who am I without this lens of trauma. Wow. 

Colette Brown: And they don't even know that. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Nobody knows that. It's all 'cause you only know what you know. You don't know what you don't know. 

Colette Brown: Yeah. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: You don't know what you don't know until you know it. 

Colette Brown: Yeah. Yeah. Which is why a lot of things come [00:26:00] our way to teach us lessons.

And I had a conversation with a dear friend and she was going through something and the phrase, why is this happening for me, not to me came up and just reframing. Situations that come to us because everything is teaching us, and there's lessons to be learned as hard as they are.

And I think that's such a good observation that you just, 

Dr. Eva Selhub: you and I'd like to actually add to that because, and again, there's no right or wrong to this, but this notion of that things happen in life for me. What about the people that are living in poverty? Is that really happening for them?

And so it, it's that agency is a little bit strange. It's a kind of saying, oh, that tree was put there for me. No, the tree is just there. I. So I, I discouraged that actually. Okay. Either to me or for me because to me is victimized and for me is a little bit narcissistic, egocentric.

Okay. Okay. Which is fine. It's a more positive twist, [00:27:00] which is wonderful. And just saying that things happen to teach us things just happen. Yeah. Thank, then I have agency of what I wanna do with it. Okay. So life happens with me. Not to me. Maybe not for me. I don't know that it could be. I don't, I'm not, I'm not omnipresent.

So I don't know. Maybe it could be, but the reality is it's happening. It's it's, is winter happening for me? No winter's happening. What I do with it, I can choose to make it for me. 

Colette Brown: You have the agency over it. I 

Dr. Eva Selhub: have the agency to make it for me or to me. But I like that something is just happening.

I like that. So again, it's like a little controversial in the manifestation age of the new age. You would like, oh, it's happening for me. If I frequent no. If I raise my frequency and I get into a place of knowingness like I'm the zen master of my life, then I navigate with ease. My choices are different because nothing's personal.

Yeah. When I'm an objectivity and pure objectivity, nothing is personal, nothing, everything's just slips off. That's ultimately where we wanna be in, in [00:28:00] whatever the matrix of moving through it with ease. So that's why, a lot of what I do is actually language is for people to be aware of.

What they're saying, how they're saying and that, how that affects that physiological response and whether they, it's in alignment and expansive versus contracted. And so that awareness of being aware of that then helps people self-correct as yes. 

Colette Brown: Yes, this is and words that we speak are powerful.

And so really be aware of what's coming out. I just reb Wayne Dyer. And what a magical soul he was. And just the wisdom that he. Imparted and extracted from the ages and consolidated and shared with us was just beautiful. So much 

Dr. Eva Selhub: love was so much love. 

And that's ultimately the key for everything Yeah.

Is to just lace everything with so much love, because that's what allows us to mitigate uncertainty. That's what allows the body to heal. We even know that [00:29:00] physiologically that's the cushion that allows us to deal with the hardships that will happen. 

Colette Brown: Yeah. And did you find in your patients that they're the ones that did heal faster or have better outcomes?

Post procedure w was it more mindset, do you believe? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: A good question. I, it's multifactorial. Yeah. And, if somebody who has a better mindset, also healthier, do, is their body healthier? Do they have a better genetic predisposition? How a body manages adversity? So many variables.

Like we could have two people who are the same body weight, same height, same gender walking down the street. Both of them fall. Same distance, same impact, but one breaks their leg, the other one doesn't. Why is that? Is that because of mindset? Not necessarily, that's more, but it could be because maybe the mindset created more rigidity.

And I don't know. The more stress there is, the more the, bone and minerals are in metabolism versus metabolism. So the bone is weaker or they have a [00:30:00] genetic predisposition or they haven't, they don't eat healthy and so they don't have as many bone minerals helping their body in their osteoporosis.

That's why it's important to look at everything. If there's no shame or blame it just given what is, what can I do? What's in my control? To upset. We know that positive expectation or what we call placebo, where the mind has power to heal the body is valid. Yeah. So for me it's not, is this true?

It's why not? I really veer away of, oh, it's your mindset. This is why I really veer away from any shame, blame. I just think given what is, what can I do if that's an option that with a, a mindset that says I have the power to heal, and that gives the message to my body And that we can feel it, when we use different words and how our body reacts, it makes sense. So if that's the case, I'm doing it. To what is it going to fix it? I surely hope so, but if not, I'm going to also do all these other things. 

Colette Brown: I love that. I love your mindset of the science background as well as the spirituality and [00:31:00] everything in between that's coming together to really examine the whole.

It's really beautiful. I like that. And then one of the questions that I love asking my guests is, if this was your last message that you had to broadcast out to the world, what would it be? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: This is the message. I would say think, remember that magic is normal. And the reason we going back to your initial question about my childhood when we're younger, magic is normal. 

I to look up at the moon and say, I wanna go home right later as an adult, you're like, what are you talking about? You can, you didn't come from the moon, I was a kid. It's I came from the moon, and anything was possible.

And so what happens is we grow up and we think everything becomes limited. That close to nothing is possible, and in that limited mindset, again, it allows us to survive, but it also creates disability in so many different ways, and it's also just not true. As we know from quantum physics, our brain is filtering something that's quite infinite.

So [00:32:00] to support people to remember that we are infinite beings in finite form, I would say remember that magic is normal. Remember that the ordinary is extraordinary and the extraordinary is ordinary. And keep magic everywhere. 

Colette Brown: Yeah, that's beautiful. Just keeping that, that fresh. Outlook like with children.

And if you've forgotten it, why don't you borrow your your grandchild or a 

Dr. Eva Selhub: pet 

Colette Brown: or a niece or nephew? A pet or pet? Pet. A pet. There you go. Yeah. The dog. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: The dog that gets excited about the same tree every single day. 

Colette Brown: Yes. Yes. Exactly if you've 

Dr. Eva Selhub: never seen that tree before. 

Colette Brown: Yes. And do something creative, go take a painting class, pottery class novel experiences to reset the mind and to get back into that creative flow,

Dr. Eva Selhub: let's say you go to work or go to the gym or go somewhere in, in a certain direction and you take the same route every day, go in a different route.

Walk backwards, stand on your head. Look at, look things from a different point of view. Yeah. [00:33:00] Especially now with the divisiveness and disparity. Try to look at all sides. Remember there is value everywhere. 

Colette Brown: I like that. That's really good. Is there anything else that you would like to share with us today?

Dr. Eva Selhub: Just look out for my 10 week program. I'm really excited about it. 

Colette Brown: I'm excited too. And all the books that you've already written, how many books have you I had 

Dr. Eva Selhub: six. Six. I have six. So there was the Love Response, your Health Destiny, your Brain on Nature, which is so important.

We wrote it 13 years ago, and it's more important today than it ever was. The Stress Management Handbook of Resilience for Dummies and Burnout for Dummies. 

Colette Brown: Okay, so please check those out. And how can people find you? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: I go to my website https://www.drselhub.com/. That's https://www.drselhub.com/, and I'm on all the social media channels, so you'll find me there posting almost daily.

Colette Brown: And you're also a speaker? 

Dr. Eva Selhub: I am, I'm a speaker. I, I always say have lecture, we'll travel, so it's my favorite, it's my version of being a rockstar. So when I'm on [00:34:00] stage, I'm performing. I love it. And I'm usually found somewhere doing that. 

Colette Brown: That's great. And what a great message that you have to share.

And with any audience, I think it's relevant. Thank you so much for. Showing up for sharing and keep going. I don't think I have to tell you, but I'm gonna tell you anyway because it's great what you're doing. I just love it. It's infectious. 

Dr. Eva Selhub: Thank 

Colette Brown: you. Thank you for having 

Dr. Eva Selhub: me. It's 

Colette Brown: been 

Dr. Eva Selhub: great.

Colette Brown: Thank you for being here and to everyone else. Until next time, be well.