191. Is This the Cure Big Pharma Doesn’t Want You to Know About?

Are we on the brink of reversing autoimmune diseases? In this jaw-dropping episode, Colette Brown interviews Dr. Fox, a physician, attorney, and critical care expert, who breaks down the groundbreaking stem cell therapy changing the future of chronic illness. From reversing Type 1 Diabetes to seeing real-time improvement in Parkinson’s and Crohn’s disease, Dr. Fox shares how Throne BioTechnologies is restoring hope and health to those failed by mainstream medicine.

If you or a loved one are struggling with autoimmune conditions, or aren't sure what is causing your symptoms this conversation could be the most important one you’ll hear this year.

Episode Highlights:

01:00 – Meet Dr. Fox, Pediatrician, lawyer, Harvard faculty, and now medical disruptor
 05:30 – Why Dr. Fox left traditional medicine during COVID
 08:00 – Treating 600+ patients with early COVID protocols, without hospitalization
 14:52 – “Nobody had to die from COVID,” a powerful statement backed by data
 16:30 – The explosion of autoimmune conditions and where it’s all headed
 17:45 – Long COVID and post-vaccine fatigue, what’s really behind the brain fog
 22:20 – A family diagnosis of Type 1 Diabetes leads to a groundbreaking discovery
 24:00 – Using cord blood stem cells to reset the immune system, how it works
 27:00 – The stem cells aren’t from the patient, they’re ethically collected from newborn cord blood
 29:00 – “Born again white blood cells” and what makes this treatment so different
 34:30 – Results, A 59-year-old diabetic for 57 years begins producing insulin again
 38:00 – Treating multiple autoimmune conditions at once, Type 1 Diabetes and Celiac disease
 39:10 – Parkinson’s Disease, real-time improvements in motor skills
 42:00 – Dr. Fox’s own recovery from Crohn’s disease with the same treatment
 44:00 – Healing alopecia, MS, scleroderma, rheumatoid arthritis, and long COVID
 46:00 – Is this the Fountain of Youth? How stem cell therapy may rejuvenate the body
 49:00 – How to access treatment and what to expect from the intake process
 51:00 – The $30K treatment cost and why Big Pharma isn’t embracing the cure
 53:00 – A message of hope, the importance of informed choice in your healing journey

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Colette Brown: Welcome to the Limitless Healing Podcast where everyone is welcome to take a front row seat and listen in on inspiring conversations, stories of healing and action steps to help you live your best life. My name is Colette Brown and I am passionate about all things wellness mind. Body, soul. Inspired by my own personal transformation from unwell and not knowing where to turn to thriving and flourishing and motivated to help you do the same.

[00:00:28] Colette Brown: I share this platform with medical doctors, wellness practitioners, chronic illness survivors, meditation and mindfulness gurus, innovators of products from food to technology and more. Think of it as a one-stop shop for wellness resources where you can listen to professionals. From around the world to help you thrive.

[00:00:48] Colette Brown: Join me Mondays while sipping a cup of tea or making your favorite meal as we explore the world of wellness together. This is the Limitless Healing Podcast. Our next guest is [00:01:00] very unusual. I found him through my own personal journey of something that I was going through. He is a medical doctor and he's also an attorney and licensed in California.

[00:01:13] Colette Brown: He is doing some cutting edge research on autoimmune disorder and. How to eradicate it. And the company that he's working with is called Throne. We're gonna learn more about it momentarily and we're gonna find out all the good things that he's doing, and I'm so excited and happy to welcome Dr. Fox.

[00:01:36] Colette Brown: Welcome Dr. Fox. Nice to be here. I'm glad to have you. So what I'd like to do with all my guests, just so we get a. Personal side of you. I would love to ask you about where was it that you were raised and maybe a favorite childhood memory. 

[00:01:53] Dr. Fox: I've been coast to coast. I was born in Boston at, what was then the probably leading [00:02:00] maternity hospital in the us The Boston lying in women's hospital.

[00:02:04] Dr. Fox: It was during World War II and Boston is very traditional, and so when my mother bore me, she occupied the same bed space that her mother occupied when she bore my mother. 

[00:02:16] Colette Brown: Wow. That's a story good tradition for you. Wow. Okay. Amazing. 

[00:02:22] Dr. Fox: But when the war was over, she joined my dad who grew up in Iowa, but he was in the Navy and that's what took him to New England.

[00:02:31] Dr. Fox: So we lived in Iowa for the first five years and then moved to Minneapolis, Minnesota, and that's where I grew up, rest of my childhood. I then initially was training to be an engineer like my father. I went to an engineering school in Michigan, the Michigan State University, but it was during the war, the Vietnam War, and things were very tumultuous, to say the least.

[00:02:55] Dr. Fox: And I actually, I. Never finished the engineering degree. I actually got a [00:03:00] degree in economics because you could study just about anything you wanted to and major in economics After college. It was that Vietnam era when things were very tumultuous and I dropped out and built houses. Did construction work 

[00:03:15] Colette Brown: really?

[00:03:16] Colette Brown: Okay. 

[00:03:17] Dr. Fox: Yep. And eventually the war was over and I thought maybe I do have a future. After all, I had some friends who were in the healthcare. Area and I thought that their work was very interesting. It always is like engineering. You have to understand how the mechanism works in order to fix it. Then I went to medical school at the University of Minnesota, did my pediatric training in Minnesota.

[00:03:43] Dr. Fox: I did my fellowship in pediatric lung diseases in Denver, Colorado, which has always been a center for lung research. Then I got a job offer to go back to Boston to have a faculty appointment at Harvard. So I did that for several [00:04:00] years, met and worked with a lot of really amazing people there. So then I went to the children's hospital back in Minneapolis where I started, formed a group there.

[00:04:10] Dr. Fox: One of the reasons you go to Harvard is to steal the best people and take them with you. And that's what I did. I took some really great guys with me from Boston to Minneapolis, and we had a very outstanding program there. But eventually my wife had been patiently following me with all the children. And how many 

[00:04:28] Colette Brown: children do you have?

[00:04:29] Colette Brown: I'm just curious. 

[00:04:30] Dr. Fox: Three. My wife was very interested in getting out of Minnesota where she grew up and going to the sunny West coast. That was the next big jump. We came to the Bay Area and I started my own pediatric pulmonary and critical care program in the Bay Area. Worked. Did that for many years.

[00:04:48] Dr. Fox: Enjoyed that, but then. I was always very interested in the economic and political aspects of medicine. I went to law school and night school. I would do my clinical work by day. I [00:05:00] went to law school from six until nine, and then I would go back to the hospital and make evening rounds. Anyway, I got a law degree to go with that.

[00:05:09] Colette Brown: And you have a very patient wife from what it sounds like. 

[00:05:12] Dr. Fox: Yeah. So anyway, so then I did both medical and legal work. And the legal work was mostly related to healthcare. And because again, my interest in economics of healthcare and politics, I've run for Congress several times. Wow. Fortunately for me, I never got elected because then I'd have to leave sunny California and go to Washington.

[00:05:32] Dr. Fox: Anyway, around the time that the COVID started, I had to get out of organized medicine because I didn't agree with the track that they were on where everybody had to get shots and we weren't allowed to treat people with covid to the way they should have been treated. Can 

[00:05:47] Colette Brown: you just touch on that briefly?

[00:05:49] Colette Brown: What you found when all this was going down, there was a panic, right? People didn't know what to do, who to listen to, who to trust, what did you lean on and go into [00:06:00] as far as your critical thinking of this is not. The blanket way to treat it. And did you base that on research that you had already done or research that you found once this all was unleashed on the population?

[00:06:15] Dr. Fox: Well, first of all, because of my political background, I don't trust the government that much. When they came out with this business of shutting down the whole economy and people were supposed to hide in their houses, not go out. It just didn't make any sense to me, and especially the part where if you think you have covid, you're not supposed to seek medical care.

[00:06:39] Dr. Fox: You're supposed to hide in your house until you're so sick that you have to go to the emergency room and then you can come in and get treatment. We've never practiced medicine that way. You don't wait until your cancer is all over your body before you go seek medical care. So it didn't make any sense at all.

[00:06:59] Dr. Fox: [00:07:00] And it didn't take all that long to find a few other doctors. Who didn't believe the Dr. Fauci and that whole thing, and I've worked with some of those guys and they've really developed the treatments for Covid particularly. I used the protocol of doctors for and Tyson there down in the Imperial Valley.

[00:07:22] Dr. Fox: I actually went down and visited them. I brought that back to the Bay Area and I went around giving public lectures on how Covid should be treated. I set up a website where people could go to get treatment. All they had to do was fill out a form and hit the submit button, and I would send their prescriptions for them.

[00:07:42] Dr. Fox: So I probably treated in excess of 600 covid patients. Average age was 65 70. Which you might think is a little out of the range for a pediatrician, but over all my years of practice, I've treated a lot of adult patients as well. So I [00:08:00] was, and Covid is so easy to treat you. You didn't need a lot of background to do it.

[00:08:05] Colette Brown: What was the protocol that you were using when you were treating. 

[00:08:08] Dr. Fox: Sure. So the mainstay of, initially the best drug we had was hydroxychloroquine, which has been around for decades and used in the third world to treat malaria in our country. It's widely used to treat rheumatoid arthritis. In fact, I, I've known people on hydroxychloroquine for a long time for their rheumatoid arthritis, so it didn't make any sense at all.

[00:08:32] Dr. Fox: Fauci and all these people came out and said, no, you can't use hydroxychloroquine. It's too dangerous. 

[00:08:38] Colette Brown: What was their reasoning on that? Because that was a huge controversy. 

[00:08:42] Dr. Fox: I'll tell you exactly what it was. ' cause what happened is, you remember was President Trump was onto Hydroxychloroquine pretty early on, right?

[00:08:50] Dr. Fox: That's what put him across purposes with Mr. Fauci because he had his own drug that he was pushing called mdes, and Chloroquine was [00:09:00] cheap. You could take it as a pill, and it was almost completely non-toxic. It probably had less side effects than Tylenol. Wow. On the other hand, REM Desi, you had to check in the hospital because it had to be given to you by an intravenous infusion.

[00:09:14] Dr. Fox: Very expensive. The drug company, I think, charged $3,200 for five days worth of the drug, and so it made no sense at all. But what happened was. Trump was pushing hydroxychloroquine, Fauci was pushing rem desir. And then what do you know? There was a paper that appeared in a very prominent medical journal called The Lancet.

[00:09:37] Dr. Fox: It appeared about May 20th, thereabouts 2020, in which this paper came from a professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School, and it said that, that they'd studied hydroxy. 600 hospitals around the world, every continent except Antarctica. And that isoc Chloroquine made people worse than if they didn't [00:10:00] take it at all.

[00:10:00] Dr. Fox: Wow. And that didn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people. And within. 14 days, it had been thoroughly debunked by people outside the NIH and the Lancet was forced to retract the paper, 

[00:10:14] Colette Brown: Which it was already too late because it was out in the public, so people were believing this. By this point. What happened 

[00:10:20] Dr. Fox: was, of course, the mainstream media, the New York Times, the Washington Post, they were all over the original publication showing that hydroxychloroquine was bad for you.

[00:10:29] Dr. Fox: They said hardly anything about the retraction and the massive fraud that was involved. Do we 

[00:10:34] Colette Brown: know who is responsible for publishing that information? 

[00:10:38] Dr. Fox: I have a belief about that. I don't wanna slander anyone. 

[00:10:42] Colette Brown: Okay. Fair enough. But 

[00:10:44] Dr. Fox: I 

[00:10:44] Colette Brown: believe 

[00:10:45] Dr. Fox: that there are probably connections between the professor at Harvard and the drug company that made the REM Desi 

[00:10:53] Colette Brown: interesting.

[00:10:54] Dr. Fox: That's my suspicion as to how this all went down. 

[00:10:57] Colette Brown: Yeah. 

[00:10:57] Dr. Fox: The other thing to understand is that in [00:11:00] academic medical journals, when they publish. Drug studies quite often the drug study was actually written by the drug company, and then somebody in academic medicine puts their name on it and gets it into a journal.

[00:11:14] Dr. Fox: Okay. So I have my suspicions about what happened with that Lancet paper, but it turned out that the the Lancet paper wasn't just wrong, but it was fraudulent because the whole thing was made up. The 600 hospitals, the a hundred thousand patients, that was all made up. Wow. The data supposedly came from a, a company in Chicago that supposedly had this massive database that they had put together from all over the world.

[00:11:43] Dr. Fox: It turned out that that was a complete hoax. The company only had half a dozen people and one of them did porn websites. The doctor who ran it. Lost his licenses in every jurisdiction that he was licensed in for other [00:12:00] fraud. Wow. And this is the 

[00:12:01] Colette Brown: doctor behind the study. 

[00:12:03] Dr. Fox: He wasn't the, there was a Harvard professor who put his name on it.

[00:12:07] Dr. Fox: The second author was this guy from Chicago who was a complete hoax. 

[00:12:12] Colette Brown: Okay. And 

[00:12:13] Dr. Fox: when the story came out, the guy from Harvard claimed he didn't know anything about how the fraudulent second author. And I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it. So early on there was a lot of, and by the way, Dr. Fauci weighed in on that fraudulent Lancet paper as well, and he gave it his thumbs up.

[00:12:32] Dr. Fox: Wow. If everybody else in the scientific community realized it was a fraud, did he not understand that it was a fraud or was he pushing a fraud? I'd love to ask that question. Yeah, so I think maybe Fauci may have been involved in this somehow or other as well. But again, I don't know for sure, but. It wouldn't surprise me, 

[00:12:53] Colette Brown: and people were driven by fear at this point.

[00:12:55] Colette Brown: We didn't know what was going on and we were trusting that [00:13:00] accurate information that was in the interest of our best health was in play and. Like that's really plain on the naivety and not just naivety, but the information that we don't know as the general public. And we trust others to give us those viable resources that we can lean on and trust.

[00:13:19] Colette Brown: So that's really, that's really sad how that was an A power that was abused. 

[00:13:24] Dr. Fox: Yep. And as it just, the misuse of power for the, for making money off Covid, that was the whole story of covid was the abuse of power for money. So the first drug we had to use was hydroxychloroquine, and then later that fall, in the fall of 2020.

[00:13:43] Dr. Fox: It became clear that Ivermectin was also very helpful, and I give credit to Dr. Pierre Corey for pushing that he did a fantastic job at, and he got himself thrown out of academic medicine for doing it. But it was a great service [00:14:00] because like I said, I've treated hundreds of patients with those two drugs, and uniformly people will tell you that Ivermectin was a game changer.

[00:14:09] Dr. Fox: Because particularly if you took it very early on, like within the first 24 hours of your symptoms, you would start to feel better within six to 12 hours. It was remarkable. 

[00:14:19] Colette Brown: Wow. Wasn't the other thing, exercise and movement. I heard that people that exer exercise regularly were at less risk or it wouldn't affect them as much, and everybody was turning into couch potatoes.

[00:14:33] Colette Brown: Yep. 

[00:14:33] Dr. Fox: I think there's probably truth to that if you're overall healthier. But I have to say, I had a number of patients that I treated that were in their eighties, several in their nineties. The oldest patient I treated was 98 years old. Wow. So she wasn't very active. Okay. And she survived her covid. Wow.

[00:14:52] Dr. Fox: Wow. So my point is that nobody had to die of covid. That's the real scandal of all this. [00:15:00] We had millions of deaths. They were at least attributed to Covid. We had millions more who took these shots that they didn't need to take. My friend, George Farid and Brian Tyson, they actually published a book on this, their experience.

[00:15:15] Dr. Fox: They've now treated I think something like 15 or 20,000 code patients, and if treatment is started within the first five days. Nobody dies and very few will even go to the hospital. This whole thing was a made up tragedy, I think the biggest scandal of, of our lifetimes really. And I hope now that we've got Mr.

[00:15:39] Dr. Fox: Kennedy running the health shop there in Washington, that we'll get more dig to the bottom of this. So all this power was concentrated in Dr. Fauci in the NIH. They forced all the big medical schools to go along with it. They forced all the hospitals to go along with it, and most of the [00:16:00] doctors now have to work for hospitals.

[00:16:02] Dr. Fox: They all work for Kaiser and big companies like that. And so all the doctors had to get these shots. Or, or lose their jobs, but just it really, it ruined the healthcare profession. Nobody trusts their doctors anymore. At least half the country doesn't even go to the doctor anymore unless they absolutely have to.

[00:16:19] Dr. Fox: 'cause they trust hospitals, they don't trust doctors. It's going to take a long time before we get over this and people will start to trust the medicine again. Yeah. So it's tragedy. 

[00:16:30] Colette Brown: Yeah, that is. So you were big in that. And then I wanna flash forward to Throne because there the amount of people that have autoimmune disorder is just increasing by the second.

[00:16:48] Colette Brown: It's unbelievable. An autoimmune disorder. Affects so many people in so many different ways, and I attribute that to lifestyle, our diet, [00:17:00] mental health. There's a lot of things that come into play there, but you are involved in a research that's actually helping to reverse this and heal people. So I'm really excited to hear more about this medical research that you're doing right now with Throne.

[00:17:17] Dr. Fox: So thank you very much for the opportunity to talk about that. A little background, interestingly, as the acute covid problem faded away, we then had a lot of people who had this, what we call long covid syndrome, and the principal symptom that people have is they're just very fatigued and they feel like they have what we, what they call brain fog.

[00:17:38] Dr. Fox: They just can't keep their thoughts straight, can't remember things. And it turned out that some of the people had as a result of covid infections, but other people didn't have covid infections, but they seemed to get it from the shots. And so we now recognize that you could get this post Covid syndrome from [00:18:00] either the infection or the shots.

[00:18:03] Dr. Fox: And in fact, it seems to be more of a problem than the people who get the shots in both cases. What happens is people become infected with this spike protein. They can get it from the infection or they can get it from the shot. The shot in some ways is more of a problem because the spike protein is injected directly into your muscle.

[00:18:25] Dr. Fox: When you get the covid infection, the virus starts in your nose and it works your, its way down your throat, and so your immune system has some opportunity to try to adapt to it, to form immune responses to it before it gets into your deeper organs because it takes. Five to 10 days for the Covid virus and the spike protein to work its way down.

[00:18:50] Dr. Fox: But when you get the shot, it goes, it bypasses your immune defenses. It goes straight into your system, in fact, oftentimes straight into your blood, and [00:19:00] then it can go straight to your lungs, your brain, your heart. 

[00:19:02] Colette Brown: Can you, can you explain how it, how does it bypass? 

[00:19:05] Dr. Fox: Sure the principal immune defenses that you have are where your internal body meets the external world.

[00:19:14] Dr. Fox: Okay? Where is that? When you breathe in air, that's one place that your insides come in contact with the outside, so you have a lot of immune defenses in your nose, your throat. And so viruses will stick there first before they work their way down deeper. Interestingly, you have a lot of immune defenses in your digestive tract also because that's another place where your insides encounter the outside world.

[00:19:43] Dr. Fox: Take a shot directly in your muscle. You bypass all of those. You might say early warning of the system and that spike protein go heading straight to your vital organs. And one thing we've had. With the Covid shots is we've [00:20:00] had an epidemic of, of young people, mostly males, age 15 to 40, who get inflammation of their heart.

[00:20:09] Dr. Fox: They get an autoimmune inflammation of the heart called myocarditis, and we've seen these young kids in their teenage years, the hospitalized in intensive care there. Some of them have actually required heart transplants because their hearts are badly damaged by this. Covid shot. It's a scandal. An acquaintance of mine is connected with an academic medical center here in the Bay Area where they do heart transplants, and when they transplant a heart, they have to put you on a heart lung bypass machine.

[00:20:42] Dr. Fox: While they do that, in some cases the heart is badly damaged, but they don't have to transplant it. But they will put you on a heart lung bypass machine to rest your heart. While it recovers. And he was telling me that he has a friend [00:21:00] who is one of the technicians who runs these heart bypass machines, and he said they just had an explosion of those cases in the young men after the Covid shots came out 

[00:21:11] Colette Brown: long, do they rest the heart form?

[00:21:12] Colette Brown: What does that look like? 

[00:21:13] Dr. Fox: It could be a week or more. So 

[00:21:15] Colette Brown: they're on and they're on a machine while their heart is resting and on its own machine? Or how does, 

[00:21:21] Dr. Fox: yeah. What they'll do is they have to connect. They have to connect your big blood vessels to this machine. So the machine takes. Blood out of your body, puts oxygen in it and then pumps it back in under pressure and that relieves the load on the heart.

[00:21:39] Colette Brown: Okay? 

[00:21:39] Dr. Fox: So the heart doesn't have to, the heart muscle doesn't have to work as hard to pump. Got it. The machine is pumping the blood, so that's how they rest the heart, so to speak, because you just take the load off of it. 

[00:21:51] Colette Brown: Okay. 

[00:21:52] Dr. Fox: Anyway, as the acute covid wound down, we started seeing more of these chronic covid cases.

[00:21:57] Dr. Fox: And so my practice, my [00:22:00] acute covid practice shifted into treating people with long covid or post covid. And again, the most helpful drug for that is ivermectin. But we use some other things as well. And I give credit to my friends Dr. Corey and Dr. Peter McCullough for pioneering the work in that area. So then you talk about journeys.

[00:22:21] Dr. Fox: So my granddaughter, my daughter has four children and there's a family history on her husband's side of Type one diabetes. Being a, a good mom, she's taught, they have screening tests now for type one diabetes. They test you to see whether you have the auto autoantibodies to the insulin producing cells that eventually.

[00:22:45] Dr. Fox: Kill off your insulin producing cells and leave you where you have to be on insulin for the rest of your life. So none of her girls had, you know, type one diabetes, but she got 'em all tested and one of them turned out to have [00:23:00] several of the autoantibodies that caused type one diabetes. And in fact, that child was predicted to have a hundred percent likelihood of getting type one diabetes within the next couple years.

[00:23:13] Dr. Fox: So she went to her local academic medical center to talk to the people specializing in type one diabetes to see what's to be done about this. And they said, we don't have anything to offer this, but you can bring her back when she. Has full blown diabetes and will show her how to do her insulin shots.

[00:23:33] Colette Brown: Oh yeah, no, thank you. There has to be something else. Okay. Okay. 

[00:23:37] Dr. Fox: So she wasn't very happy with that response, so she did her research and found out there was a. Clinical trial going on in New Jersey with this company called Throne Bio Technologies, and they had a treatment that would treat people, teenagers who have type one diabetes.

[00:23:57] Dr. Fox: They would treat them and in many [00:24:00] cases, cure them. They would actually reverse their autoimmune condition so that the pancreas could recover and they could make their own insulin again, and then they didn't need the shots. He had got a hold of the head of Throne, Dr. Zapp, an amazing person, and he said, we've never treated anyone who didn't have Type one diabetes.

[00:24:21] Dr. Fox: Was predicted to have type one, but would be, we'll be happy to give it a try. So she went there in July of 2023 and grandpa came along because I was fascinated by the science and all this. So she got her treatment, and I'll talk about the details of that in a second. But Dr. Zao and I established a wonderful working relationship because my pediatric critical care background, I have certain skills that he could use to treat his smaller patients.

[00:24:56] Dr. Fox: This treatment requires that you be hooked up to a [00:25:00] machine that filters your blood, it filters out the immune cells in your blood and. He's been limited to a certain size of children because they have veins in their arms that are big enough for him to connect his machine to. But he's been unable to do smaller children because their veins aren't big enough.

[00:25:22] Dr. Fox: But because of my critical care background, I know how to put. Giant e lines in little kids. Wow. So I could do this in a toddler would not be technically all that difficult. Excuse me. So he retained me to help him with his smaller patients. But going back to the details of the treatment now, how does this work?

[00:25:44] Dr. Fox: So it is what we call a stem cell treatment, and there are a number of stem cell treatments around these days. You can break them down into a couple different categories, those that use your own stem cells and those that use stem cells [00:26:00] from donors in the United States. Pretty much all the stem cell treatment programs that we see use your own stem cells.

[00:26:10] Dr. Fox: Because as a lot of people know, if you transplant an organ or cells from one person to another, the person's own immune system will often reject. Transplant. And so you have to be on immune suppressing drugs, like if you get a kidney transplant or a heart transplant, right? You have to suppress your immune system so you don't reject the new organ.

[00:26:32] Dr. Fox: So that's been a limitation of using people's own stem cells, excuse me, of using the stem cells from other people. So. Mostly the stem cells that have been used in the United States have been from people, from the patient themselves, and they will often harvest them from abdominal fat. And unfortunately in the United States we have no shortage of that.

[00:26:54] Colette Brown: Correct. 

[00:26:55] Dr. Fox: So those are what are called mesenchymal stem cells. [00:27:00] You could also get stem cells from the bone marrow of people. And when we do that, we usually take them out of the hip bones because there's a lot of bone marrow in hip bones. 

[00:27:11] Colette Brown: When you take it out. Does it replace itself a marrow 

[00:27:15] Dr. Fox: when you Yes.

[00:27:16] Dr. Fox: When you harvest from bone marrow, there's lots left behind and their stem cells, and so they grow up. To be generate more stem cells. 

[00:27:25] Colette Brown: Okay? 

[00:27:25] Dr. Fox: So what they will do then is take your own stem cells and purify them in the laboratory. And typically they get injected into somewhere like maybe you've got some problem with arthritis or something, and maybe they'll put them directly into the arthritic joint.

[00:27:43] Dr. Fox: And a lot of people do get benefit from that. Dr. Zou came up with an in ingenious technique for this. First of all, he is an immunologist. He's a MD PhD, so he's very highly skilled and learned in immunology. Worked in [00:28:00] his own immunology lab for many years, and what he learned there was that yes, we do have different stem cells, but the ones that seem to be.

[00:28:09] Dr. Fox: The best are actually the ones that are found in the cord blood of newborn babies. So when the baby is delivered and the umbilical cord is cut, there's usually a lot of blood left in the placenta. And of course that comes out after the baby. And a lot of people now are collecting that stem cell, that cord blood from their children and freezing and saving it.

[00:28:35] Dr. Fox: So a lot of people know about harvesting cord blood and saving the stem cells. So he obtains these stem cells from a commercial service, and that's all they do is go around hospitals collecting cord blood. He gets them and isolates the. Fetal or the cord blood stem cells, they turn out to be far more potent [00:29:00] for treating autoimmune disorders than the cells that you get from bone marrow or 

[00:29:05] Colette Brown: Interesting.

[00:29:07] Colette Brown: And it's universal, so it could be used on anyone. 

[00:29:09] Dr. Fox: Correct. You do not need a blood type match for this. 

[00:29:12] Colette Brown: Wow. 

[00:29:13] Dr. Fox: That's 

[00:29:13] Colette Brown: huge too. Yes. 

[00:29:15] Dr. Fox: He gets these cells, cord blood stem cells and then puts them in basically kinda like a Petri dish. And feeds them nutrients and they grow for several weeks and they mature and they grow more stem cells and after about two or three weeks, they're ready to be used for a patient.

[00:29:37] Dr. Fox: So. His method is what I call an indirect stem cell treatment. A direct stem cell treatment, of course, is when they take your stem cells and inject 'em into your achy joints. For instance, uhhuh. His is a more sophisticated approach, which I call an indirect stem cell treatment. How does that work? Dr. Fox, the patient comes to his facility there in [00:30:00] New Jersey.

[00:30:00] Dr. Fox: You get hooked up to this machine called an apheresis machine, and you get an eye in each arm and blood comes out of one arm, goes through the machine and goes back in the other arm. A bit like a dialysis treatment, but this machine separates the red cells from the white cells. The red cells go back in your other arm, the white cells get collected in a bag.

[00:30:26] Dr. Fox: The separation technique is actually pretty simple because it turns out that white blood cells are lighter than red blood cells. They float to the top. If you just let 'em sit on the shelf on the lab bench for a while, the white cells float to the top. So what this machine does. It reminds me of an old fashioned milk separator like we used to see in Minnesota in that it's a cup and it spins round and round, and you drip the blood in and the red cells sink to the bottom and the white cells float to the top.

[00:30:59] Dr. Fox: Okay. And then [00:31:00] there's a little skimmer that skims off the white cells. Wow. So it's actually pretty simple to consider once you see the details of it, but 

[00:31:09] Colette Brown: brilliant. That's all that's needed. 

[00:31:11] Dr. Fox: That's all you have to do. Yeah, so it takes about five hours or so to collect enough of the patient white cells, and then the patient is done for the day.

[00:31:22] Dr. Fox: They don't have to take any drugs. There's no immune suppression. It's like that, like cancer treatment or anything like that. You don't have to take any drugs of any kind to prepare for this. You just come in and you get the lines put in and it's actually boring. My granddaughter. She was a little nervous to start with, but then she put a video or two on her laptop and then she fell asleep for most of it.

[00:31:45] Dr. Fox: So it's not anything painful. You don't have to be, it's not like having general anesthesia because you're having a big surgical procedure done. Anyway. Once those cells are collected, the patient is done for the day. They can go back to their [00:32:00] hotel, the white blood cells go down the hall to a very high tech clean room, which is where those.

[00:32:06] Dr. Fox: Cord blood stem cells have been incubating for several weeks. Then the patient blood cell, the patient wide cells are simply layered on top of the cord blood stem cells, and it's just like two layers. There's patient on the top and cord blood on the bottom. There's some kind of magic that happens there.

[00:32:28] Dr. Fox: We're not exactly sure how it works, but somehow they talk to each other and it looks like one of the things that happens is that the cord blood stem cells. Release little tiny particles that we call exosomes, and those exosomes apparently have some chemicals in them or mark some something. Magic is in those exosomes, and those exosomes then get absorbed by the patient's cells that are sitting on top.

[00:32:57] Dr. Fox: And they become incorporated [00:33:00] by the patient's cells. And what seems to happen is it's like there is an immunological reset. Wow. And I think this is one of the reasons why the cord blood stem cells are so much better because that baby is what we call immunologically naive. They haven't. Been shot up with all of the shots that the CDC says You have to have Uhhuh like writing on a blank piece of paper.

[00:33:23] Dr. Fox: So the cord blood stem cells seem to reset, or as Dr. Z likes to say, they educate. The patient cells so that they don't have their bad habits anymore. 

[00:33:35] Colette Brown: Wow, that's amazing. Yes. That's amazing. And is it like a, is it a one-to-one ratio? I'm just curious of the cord stem cell to the white. I actually don't 

[00:33:45] Dr. Fox: know the ratio.

[00:33:46] Dr. Fox: I'll be interest, I'll have to ask you that question. So anyway, they incubate next to each other overnight. It's like snuggling up next to your significant other overnight program, re program. That's right in the [00:34:00] morning, Dr. Zow comes in and you can just wash the patient cells off the cord blood cells 'cause the cord blood cells, remember they've been anchored, now they've been in there for three weeks.

[00:34:12] Dr. Fox: They're stuck to the Petri dish. And so you just wash off the patient's cells. And collect them in a bag and then the patient Wow. Wow. Patient. Yep. The patient comes in an hour later at nine o'clock and you hook them up and you run their own reprogrammed or born again white cells. The born again white cells get run in and that's all there is to it.

[00:34:37] Colette Brown: It's amazing. So tell everyone what is it treating and how long until they take effect. And also please give us the results of your granddaughter. 

[00:34:48] Dr. Fox: Sure. So the interesting is the rapidity of the response I think depends. I. A little bit on what it is that we're treating, right? So let's talk about type one diabetes [00:35:00] first, because that's the most patients that we've done well over a hundred type one diabetes patients, so they pretty much all are improved.

[00:35:07] Dr. Fox: I think the youngest one that he's treated so far was a 3-year-old. I think the oldest was the woman was 59 years old. She'd been type one diabetic since she was less than two years old. Oh, wow. Seven years she'd been injecting insulin. Wow. Had had not made her own insulin for 57 years. We can tell when they start making their own insulin because there's a byproduct that you can test for in the blood called the eptide.

[00:35:36] Dr. Fox: Okay? People who cannot make insulin cannot make eptide. Eptide is one of the byproducts of the insulin production process, this woman had no eptide in her blood. Within one month, she had detectable eptide for like, for the first time in 57 years. She's now making insulin. Within six months, she was making half of all the insulin that [00:36:00] she required every day so that the amount of insulin that she had to inject had been cut by half.

[00:36:05] Dr. Fox: And her control was much better because when you can make your own insulin, your body regulates your blood sugar much more naturally than if you're having to do it with some kind of glucose meter and checking your blood sugar and then giving insulin. So even somebody who's nearly 60 years old, we can treat amazing.

[00:36:26] Dr. Fox: So there's with type one diabetes. People will become diabetic, but they haven't lost all of their insulin production. It takes a, these antibodies will destroy the insulin production over about 12 to 24 months. So that first period there is called the honeymoon period. If we get those patients while they're still on their honeymoon.

[00:36:52] Dr. Fox: We pretty much cure all of them. They will no longer need insulin. It's astonishing. Wow. The longer [00:37:00] people have been type one, the more variable the response is, but they pretty much all will benefit. They'll have a, at least a reduction in their insulin requirement, and a lot of those later ones will still be cured or nearly cured, particularly if they watch their diet and stay healthy and so forth.

[00:37:18] Dr. Fox: Like I said, we've done over a hundred of those, I think at the Type one diabetes. We pretty much know how to do that. We've been doing these under an FDA approved clinical trial protocol. In fact, that's how my daughter found Dr. Zal was on the FDA's website. The FDA has looked at our results and they find them to be very encouraging.

[00:37:40] Dr. Fox: Last April. The FDA approved us to move ahead to their fast track approval process, so that'll save us a lot of time. I'm hoping that we'll have an FDA approval within this calendar year. Amazing for type one diabetes. Now, one of the things about [00:38:00] autoimmune disorders like type one diabetes is that. A lot of these people will have other autoimmune disorders as well.

[00:38:08] Dr. Fox: So when I was in New Jersey, I met a young man. He was probably about 18 or 20 at the time. He was a type one diabetic. He also had a common autoimmune disorder called celiac disease. So these are the people who can't eat things with wheat in them because they're, they have a very sensitive reaction to wheat.

[00:38:27] Dr. Fox: When I met him, he was sitting in the Dr. Z's waiting room, chowing down on a regular pizza. He'd already been treated. He was just there for follow up. In other words, the treatment cured not only his type one diabetes, but also his celiac disease. Wow. So it shows that this treatment works at a very fundamental level to reset your immune system to not only get rid of your type one diabetes, but whatever other bad habits your immune system has.

[00:38:58] Dr. Fox: Okay, so [00:39:00] that then started Dr. Zal thinking, what about all these other autoimmune disorders that are so rampant in our society now? 

[00:39:08] Colette Brown: Can you name just a few of them for the audience? 

[00:39:10] Dr. Fox: I can, we haven't done a lot of these, but we've done a handful of, quite a few of them and things that come to mind. For instance, one of the most exciting ones is Parkinson's Disease.

[00:39:22] Dr. Fox: Wow. Now, Parkinson's disease, there are treatments for it, but the best treatments that we have don't even stop the progression of it as it's a progressive disease. The best treatments that we have now, don't even stop it. They just slow it down and you don't get bad as fast as you might otherwise. But the established treatments don't even stop it.

[00:39:47] Dr. Fox: But we've treated a number of Parkinson's patients now, and most of them actually, it not only stops, but they are improved. They have less tremor. Parkinson's is a movement disorder. Their movement is [00:40:00] improved. The remarkable thing about it scientifically is that we have actually shown, we've got videos of this, that some of these people with Parkinson's disease.

[00:40:12] Dr. Fox: Before treatment. Their hands move very poorly. They just can't grasp things and they'll tremor. But we've got video of people who've just finished their reinfusion and already they can move their hands. 

[00:40:28] Colette Brown: Wow. And does the same rule apply with this, where if you catch Parkinson's earlier in a patient that it's more effective?

[00:40:37] Dr. Fox: I don't think we have enough numbers on that. I think our total Parkinson's patients style is maybe five or six. 

[00:40:42] Colette Brown: Okay. 

[00:40:43] Dr. Fox: I'd love to have, I'd love to have more once we get a little more experience with it and we can see the people who are earlier in the process versus those that are later. Another thing that I'm very interested in is Dr.

[00:40:56] Dr. Fox: Zao for all of his. He runs a test before they're treated, [00:41:00] where he looks at two dozen different immune markers to see whether they show signs of autoimmunity, and then whether we can correlate their abnormal tests with how well they respond to treatment. I've actually collected in my own office. Now I have, I've had some Parkinson's patients come to me and we've collected the blood from them and sent it to Dr.

[00:41:23] Dr. Fox: Z. And so we're getting more information now about what kinds of immuno abnormalities they have, and then we will test them post-treatment to see how they've responded. So Parkinson's, I think, is a promising condition. We talked about celiac disease. It turns out. So now I'll tell you a personal story.

[00:41:44] Dr. Fox: Back in 2003, I noticed I was getting very winded, just walking around and I thought, that's not very good. So I got some blood tests and it showed I was very anemic. For a middle-aged man, we don't lose blood every [00:42:00] month, and that's not a good sign when a middle-aged man is anemic. We had to do some more tests and it turned out I had a condition called Crohn's Disease, which is an inflammatory bowel disease, and I had to get a bunch of surgery.

[00:42:14] Dr. Fox: They had to take out a bunch of colon, and I've had to have several followup surgeries because it's a persistent problem. It causes scarring and it's, it's not a lot of fun. And anyway, they now have biologic treatments for this and you see them advertised on TV every night. And so my gastroenterologist been after me to.

[00:42:34] Dr. Fox: Do that, but I've been a little careful about that because they do have some side effects. Last October, I was in New Jersey and we had a patient we were treating, so I mentioned it to Dr. Zao and he said, let's look at you and look at your blood and see what we find there. And sure enough, he found some things that he said, this what I'm finding here.

[00:42:54] Dr. Fox: Predicts that you're not a very good candidate for biologic treatments, he said, but I think we might [00:43:00] be able to help you with cord blood treatment. So what do you know? I went back in the middle of October and got my own treatment. So I like to tell people that I have seen this treatment from both sides of the bed.

[00:43:14] Colette Brown: Yeah. And how did it, how did you respond to the treatment? 

[00:43:18] Dr. Fox: Wonderful. I had noticed an improvement in my symptoms within 24 hours, and it has continued to improve since that time. You don't have to take my word for it because six weeks after I got the stem cell treatment, I went back and got some more biopsies done and I had some done last April, and it showed Crohn's disease like it always does.

[00:43:40] Dr. Fox: And within six weeks after my treatment, my biopsies came back negative was cured. 

[00:43:44] Colette Brown: Wow. Wow. Yep. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yep. So now you also mentioned alopecia. 

[00:43:51] Dr. Fox: Yes. That's another one. It's particularly a problem obviously for women who are not supposed to have their hair fall out. Right. A lot of women do have autoimmune [00:44:00] alopecia.

[00:44:00] Dr. Fox: I. And it seems to work pretty well for them. A lot of women have lost all their hair. It takes about 12 months for the hair to grow back, but it does start growing back within a month or so. Wow. It just takes a while for it to grow out. We've had improvement in people with multiple sclerosis. Again, not a lot of the numbers are not big, but we've had improvement with that.

[00:44:22] Dr. Fox: When I was there getting my treatment, there was another person there with a lung condition called scleroderma. It, you might say, turns your lungs into stone. You just, they stiffen up and turn into leather. Wow. I think she's doing better. We've had very good success with long covid and post covid people who've not responded to any other treatment.

[00:44:46] Dr. Fox: And it's like night and day. They were sleeping 14, 16 hours a day and all they could do was get up and sit in a chair and watch TV and now they're back out. There was one woman, I remember her story, that she could hardly get [00:45:00] out of bed and I think within four or six months she was walking three or four miles a day.

[00:45:05] Dr. Fox: Wow. We've had some very good results with, with post covid. 

[00:45:10] Colette Brown: So with the lungs, is it the same process of taking out the blood, separating the white cells, or is it a different procedure with the stem cells? It's 

[00:45:20] Dr. Fox: interesting here that the procedure is exactly the same no matter what your diagnosis is. Okay?

[00:45:26] Dr. Fox: We do the same procedure and it just seems what happens is those cord blood stem cells, reeducate, whatever is wrong with your own cells. They reset them back to a normal functioning state, and so the same treatment works no matter what. Your autoimmune condition is amazing. Know that we found one yet that it doesn't work on, but again, the numbers are small so they can't stay it for every, I know another one.

[00:45:53] Dr. Fox: We've done rheumatoid arthritis and we've done another kind of, it's an arthritis of your spine [00:46:00] called ankylosing spondylitis. We've had good results with that, so I just 

[00:46:05] Colette Brown: wanna do it just to be healthy. It just sounds like it will just bathe your cells and fix everything. It sounds like a amazing treatment.

[00:46:14] Dr. Fox: So we joke about this a little bit, but is this. The Fountain of Youth that is looking for all those years. That's 

[00:46:21] Colette Brown: a great question. This sounds like the Fountain of Youth. It really does. At least like prevention of disease, right? Yeah. 

[00:46:28] Dr. Fox: Maybe it's kinda like the ultimate detox. All of the bad stuff that you've got in your immune system and it just wipes it clean and you get a clean slate in life.

[00:46:37] Dr. Fox: I have noticed some of my friends have noticed that they think that I seem to. Look a little younger and healthier. I don't know whether they're just doing it to be nice or what, but it's nice. It's a nice thought anyway. 

[00:46:49] Colette Brown: Yeah, it is. And hey, when you think one way, you start projecting that too. When you're feeling better, you absolutely look better because you have a different countenance about you.[00:47:00] 

[00:47:00] Colette Brown: This is all really fascinating. So can people right now get the treatment, or do they have to go into a special, do they submit a request? How does that work? 

[00:47:11] Dr. Fox: Sure, thanks for the question. Right now we treat our patients in New Jersey and it's really been a research project up till now, but I think certainly with type one diabetes, I think we're ready to roll that out to, and that's under an FDA approved protocol.

[00:47:29] Dr. Fox: Now, if we treat people with these other conditions. We're not FDA approved for those, but for people who have a serious untreatable, life-threatening condition like Parkinson's disease, we're able to treat them under President Trump's Right to try act. Oh, yep. And particularly because. We have not identified any downside to this treatment so far.

[00:47:52] Dr. Fox: Maybe we will, but we haven't seen any downside to this. Any side effects. People when they [00:48:00] leave, they don't have to go home on any chronic medicines. We recommend that they eat healthy. We do recommend one vitamin, vitamin B two because vitamin B two, you need it for healthy mitochondria and we think that.

[00:48:14] Dr. Fox: Part of this autoimmune problem may be a mitochondrial disorder. The mitochondria are the little power generators in your cell, and there's this, Dr. Z has some data to suggest that autoimmunity may have a lot to do with some problem in your mitochondria. But other than vitamins and staying healthy, there's no other chronic medicine, which of course is a huge threat to big pharma because we don't have, our patients don't have to take a five or $10,000 shot every month 

[00:48:45] Colette Brown: because your body is doing it what it's supposed to be doing for free.

[00:48:48] Colette Brown: Yeah, your back. 

[00:48:49] Dr. Fox: That's right. You've been restored to a more natural condition as opposed to having to take a shot every month or two to palliate the problem. Our treatment seems to be more curative and [00:49:00] it's not such a palliative kind of thing. If people want to attack me, as I've been marketing this more, Dr.

[00:49:08] Dr. Fox: Z is very busy with his research and treating patients. And I'm trying to take some of the public relations load off of him. Mm-hmm. Buy a website if everybody wants to get their pencil and paper handy. 

[00:49:20] Colette Brown: Yes. 

[00:49:20] Dr. Fox: Is called Patients Medical Patients, it's patients dot throne bio.com 

[00:49:28] Colette Brown: and we'll put that in the show notes.

[00:49:29] Dr. Fox: Okay. And I have a contact form there. And people can just send me a little contact form and I, and tell me what is their immune condition so that I can give them the information that relates to that condition. I actually have some intake forms for a number of these conditions now, and I have. One for Parkinson's, one's for type one diabetes.

[00:49:51] Dr. Fox: I have a number of these now that I can send to people so they can send us their medical history. And then the next thing that we probably wanna do [00:50:00] is look at your blood test, your immune marker panel to see what kind of autoimmunity do you have, and does it look like we might be able to help you? For quite a while, people had to go to New Jersey to get the blood drawn because that's where Dr.

[00:50:16] Dr. Fox: Zal has his laboratory. I think I've now got it set up with one of the commercial laboratory services called Quest. There's a special kit of blood tubes and mailing envelopes and stuff, and I have to send it to people. But then if they take that and the instructions to Quest, quest has told us that they will.

[00:50:38] Dr. Fox: Draw the tube of blood. It then has to go in a special mailing container, and that goes in a special FedEx envelope, and then Quest calls FedEx and then they ship it off to a New Jersey. So I think we've got that system set up. Now, the major downside to this story is because it's just rolling out of the research lab, blue Cross, and [00:51:00] the commercial payers aren't paying for this yet.

[00:51:03] Dr. Fox: I think once they realize that our treatment is a lot cheaper than five or 10,000 a month for the rest of somebody's life, I think they'll wanna sign up for it. 

[00:51:11] Colette Brown: I think so. 

[00:51:12] Dr. Fox: Yep. But anyway, for now, we have to charge people our direct costs. We don't make a lot of money on this, but we have to, we charge $30,000 and that covers everything.

[00:51:24] Dr. Fox: Most of that goes for the technicians to do the apheresis, the technicians who do the culturing and the laboratories, and, and especially paying the people that supply us with the cord blood. So anyway, there's real 

[00:51:37] Colette Brown: costs. Hard costs that go into that. That's right. 

[00:51:40] Dr. Fox: See if we wanted to sell this technology to Big Pharma for a hundred million dollars or something, they'd be happy to pay for it.

[00:51:47] Dr. Fox: What would happen to it? It would be bought up by the people who do the 5,000, $10,000 a month shots and then they would bury it. Yeah. So we're just a little struggling startup. Try to make it [00:52:00] on what we've got, and so we do have to cover our costs. Like I said, if we were big pharma, we'd have a lot of money that we could do the research, but it would be cheaper to just buy it and bury.

[00:52:10] Dr. Fox: Mm-hmm. I think that's what. Would likely happen. 

[00:52:13] Colette Brown: Yeah, 

[00:52:13] Dr. Fox: so right now we can treat about four patients a week because like I said, it's been a research project. In May, we will double our treatment capacity and we'll probably be able to treat eight people a week considering that there are tens, even hundreds of thousands of new autoimmune cases every year.

[00:52:33] Dr. Fox: We've got a huge ramp up to do, but we gotta walk before we run. So, yes. The other thing I would suggest to people at the risk of sounding like Mike Lindell, I would say you're probably better to get in line now because once the word gets out, there's gonna be a a long queue, and right now we're scheduling out about eight to 12 weeks.

[00:52:55] Dr. Fox: But if this catches on, the line is gonna get a lot longer. One of [00:53:00] my Parkinson's patients was in my office a couple weeks ago and he said, Dr. Fox, I realize that you can't guarantee that this is gonna help me 'cause you just haven't done enough yet. And I could wait two or three years till we know for sure, but that's two or three more years that I'm gonna be going downhill.

[00:53:18] Dr. Fox: And two or three years I'm having less quality of life. So he said, maybe I'm gonna think about treating sooner rather than later. So everybody has to make their own decision. We'll try to give you the best information we have, but as my button says, I'm for medical choice and I think people should investigate all possible treatments.

[00:53:40] Dr. Fox: There's our treatments, there are big pharmas treatments. There may be other research treatments out there. We'll try to be as honest as we can with you about what we've got to offer, and then people make their own call on it. 

[00:53:52] Colette Brown: I so appreciate you being leader. In this and really advocating for the [00:54:00] general population and being a voice, a trusted voice on the medical side that can disseminate accurate information and help do the due diligence behind what people are listening to you because.

[00:54:14] Colette Brown: Most people don't take the time to do a deep dive like your daughter did, or like investigating alternative treatments or just listening to what the media is pushing out for everyone to do. So I really appreciate all the work that you're doing. It's really, you're doing such a beautiful service to the world.

[00:54:32] Colette Brown: I appreciate you. 

[00:54:33] Dr. Fox: I'm glad that I can help. That's one of the more gratifying things about medicine, and they can enjoy their lives, enjoy their families. Have quality of life alleviate their their sufferings. That's a big payoff. It is. Thank you so much. It's been a great pleasure.

[00:54:48] Colette Brown: Thank you. And everyone else, until next time, be well.