33. 75 Hard Vs Paige Henneman: The Secrets to a Stronger, Healthier, More Resilient Life

Paige Henneman, a 23 year old 75 Hard Champion, joins us to share her transformative journey after completing the program.  

Paige comes from a family of entrepreneurs.  Her Mother owns a frozen yogurt shop in Arlington Heights, Illinois, and her Father owns a commercial painting company.  

It was Paige's parents that introduced Andy Frisella, the creator of 75 Hard, to Paige.  After listening to the Real AF Podcast hosted by Frisella, Paige became a huge fan of 75 Hard and Frisella's company 1st Phorm.

Feeling like she was the only one in Arlington Heights who knew of Andy Frisella, when Jason walked into the shop one day wearing a 1st Phorm shirt, she had to stop and introduce herself.  The reality is, if it wasn't for the 1st Phorm t-shirt and the ideologies that come with the brand, we would have never been able to share Paige's story on our podcast.

Paige's story is a testament to what's possible when you intertwine family entrepreneurship with a dedication to self-improvement. 

Capping off this episode, we bring to light the health and wellness transformations that ripple out from adopting challenges like the 75 Hard program. From debunking myths about its sustainability to exploring the intricate ways our bodies respond to changes in diet and exercise, this is a narrative about empowerment, resilience, and the incredible capacity for change within us all. 

So gear up for an episode that's as much about the strength of the human spirit as it is about the power of a supportive network and the enduring pursuit of happiness and health.

Chapters

• 0:00 Connect Through Shared Interests and Experiences
• 8:51 Family Entrepreneurship and Personal Growth
• 20:34 Pursuing Mental Toughness and Happiness
• 33:50 75 Hard Finish and Reflection
• 40:12 Transformation and Empowerment Through Hard Work
• 49:02 Health and Wellness Journey
• 58:33 The Sustainability of 75 Hard
• 1:02:34 Discussion on 75 Hard Program Concerns
• 1:10:05 Nutrition, Fitness, and Self-Discipline
• 1:16:10 Finding a Supportive Nutritionist Personal Trainer
• 1:23:19 The Power of Surrounding Yourself

Transcript

Jason: 0:29

So welcome back to another episode of Real Life Investing with Jason Rachel Wagner. We have a special guest with us today, paige Henneman. Paige, you're here to talk about one thing. So Paige is here to talk about our favorite topic, 75 hard. She just completed it, but we have a cool story, paige, how did we meet?

Paige: 0:45

So my mom owns a little frozen yogurt shop in Arlington Heights and I was working one day and Jason comes in and out of the corner of my eye I'm like is that a first form logo? Like I just it clicked immediately and it was the bright turquoisey color that they were doing for a while, like they still do it, but it was like everything was turquoise and I'm like, is that first form? And I was like just really into Andy. So I'm like huh and I like turn take, like a double take, and I'm like that's first form. I was like I know it is. So I like pause my work, I like tell everybody. I'm like yo hold on, I got to go talk to this man and they're all like what?

Paige: 1:26

And you were there with your dad, I think right, or Rachel's dad you were there with I was going to say you were there with someone's dad and your two beautiful daughters and I am like, guys, hold on, I got to go talk to this guy, walk up to you. I'm like first form, andy Frazella, like freaking out over here Cause nobody I know knows Andy knows first form. So I'm like ecstatic like Arlington Heights. No one knows this guy, not really an Arlington Heights like guy or like company like they. Just he's got different morals than what most of the people in arlington heights have. So I'm like, oh, this is my kind of dude right here, talk for like an hour about andy, about 75 hard first, all of it, and it was I mean honestly. Clearly. It stuck with me that I still see you guys still talk we were.

Paige: 2:14

We were best friends like instantly just from the shirt I was wearing yeah, no, that's legit, that is legit. I was like, yep, this dude's a ride or die right here. I'm like, yeah, please come back, please continue the business oh yeah, you gave me free ice cream that day. I did do that. I did do that.

Jason: 2:33

Which I'm not surprised of.

Paige: 2:35

You know what?

Jason: 2:36

But so much appreciated yeah.

Paige: 2:38

Hey, I'm here for it. I was like, yeah, this dude deserves it. Yeah, he's got the right lifestyle over here. He deserves a free ice cream here. Yeah, absolutely yeah, forever.

Jason: 2:54

I mean it's super interesting. So like you kind of. You kind of make it sound like people that are in 75 hard or know a first form are kind of like in a little special group. Absolutely Right. And it's actually kind of shocking where you say that you know people in Arlington Heights don't necessarily have that same mindset or know of him or why. Why do you think that's such a distinction?

Paige: 3:18

So just from where. So I grew up, or I still live, but I grew up in Algonquin, which is McHenry County, and just from my personal experience, beliefs, cook County and McHenry County are very, very different places and people have very different viewpoints. In McHenry County and Cook County I do think it is changing a little bit. In Cook County I have seen that shift a little bit, just from I mean, I've worked out here for 12 years. My grandparents lived out here, so we know a lot of people from around here. But politically they think a certain way which is different in McHenry County I'd say like polar opposite, more so than even just different.

Paige: 3:58

But I think I think with the way Andy has his podcast set up and just the way that he puts himself out in the world, I think people get a little. They're like afraid, yeah, turned off, like just the way that he lives and the way he speaks. I think Cook County kind of has a closed mindset, if that makes sense, like they're very this is the way we live in, this way we stay. Obviously there are people that are not like that, thankfully, but I feel like just the majority in general are kind of like this is how we live and this is how we will live, we're not changing. And which is kind of sad. This is how we live and this is how we will live, we're not changing. And which is kind of sad because I think everybody would benefit from an andy frisella in their life.

Paige: 4:40

But I do also see how it could be like how he can be a little oh, that guy's scary, or that guy talks very like aggressively he does, but at the same time I'm like you got to get past that. Like he's got good things to say and he's very passionate about them. So, yeah, I think I think it's just very like they're just in their ways and they got to get out of their ways. You know, like in in arlington, or not arlington specifically, but cook county as a whole, which so does mchenry county going the other way, but it is. I'm like, yeah, we got gotta learn new things. Guys.

Rachel: 5:14

Like let's, let's figure this out like we can all be friends so I'm I'm really fascinated by something you just said, especially knowing you're 23.

Rachel: 5:23

You just shared with us you're only 23 and so I'm very impressed with you. Thank you one for listening to andy frisella, and then two. What you just said was you know, a lot of people don't like to listen to him because they kind of are offended or are turned off by him. And you said well, you've got to get past that because you know the content of what he's saying is important and relevant. So I guess, how did you, at this point in your life, get to that realization or to that feeling Like what was it? Do you think that made you comfortable pushing past, listening to the hardness?

Paige: 5:55

Honestly, andy, like if I'm being fully transparent. So back in 2021, we had probably the hardest year for my family that like we've ever gone through Both my grandparents passed away. We were very close with them. Within a matter of six weeks, we had some other family stuff going on and my dad was kind of like hey, my dad was actually doing 75 hard. It was both of his parents that passed away.

Paige: 6:24

He says straight up he's like I did not complete 75 hard. He missed, like a progress picture one of the days, continued to do to like finish it out for 75 days but didn't go back to day one because it was on like day 72, of course, where. But like with the matter of what he was dealing with, like obviously, it was like, yeah, the bigger fish fry here. So he always says he never, he didn't complete it, but he did it. So, which is a obviously difference and I respect him say even saying that. But he was like, hey, there's this guy I think you'd really like him. And I was like, oh, like okay. So he sent me an episode and I couldn't tell you what episode it was, but way back in 2021. And I listened to it and, like I grew up with three brothers. You have a different sense of the world when you grow up with three brothers, like you do, you do.

Paige: 7:17

I'm not going to lie, andy was never really like scary to me, if that makes sense, like I was always just kind of like all right, because you were just always around him. Yeah, and I was kind of like this dude's cool.

Jason: 7:28

Like.

Paige: 7:29

I like him and like not to say it but to say it um the swearing, I loved it. I was like this, this he's real. Like I'm like he's speaking how he feels in that moment and I'm like I respect that, because the fact that you're going in public or like in front of the public and you're just throwing mother effer out there, I'm like yeah dude like yeah, ride or die. Yes, I'm like good for him because everybody else is like oh, I'm so nice, and like no, like swear, like it's refreshing right.

Paige: 7:58

Yes, so I think it was. For me it wasn't really getting past that. He was very loud. Um, obviously we all know he's very passionate man. But then it turned into I started going to a four-year university in Aurora, um, so I had an hour drive to school and then an hour drive back home from school and I had 8 am, so I'd be leaving at like 6.30, 6.45. I'm blasting Real AF in my car at like 7 am and that got me in the mindset of like okay, I can do school every single day, like I. When I tell you like I've got the music bumping, I'm sitting there like bobbing my head to it in my little hour drive. I'm sure the people next to me are like what is this girl listening?

Rachel: 8:43

to.

Paige: 8:43

Like what's happening next to me? Oh no, and I'm going off with Andy. I'm like, yes, like preach it, andy, preach it. And so, like it really was just I don't know, like the dude just changed my life. And just hearing him speak and listening to him every day and, like we were talking earlier, he hasn't been wrong. Like if he, if it takes two years, he was still right. Like you listen to him and you're like, wait, he actually is saying all the right things, so getting past like his anger, which isn't even anger, that was really like the only big thing was like, oh, you're not actually angry, this is just how you speak, he's just passionate. Okay, yeah, I'm like, all right, cool, like live your best life, andy.

Jason: 9:28

He just always has like this chip on his shoulder. He's a. He's a ultra, ultra competitive. He wants to win and he's sick of people being like everybody should win in this world yeah, you know which I love right, and because that's just not how the world works is that there is competition and it is cutthroat, and you own a business, your family owns a business two, two.

Paige: 9:50

my dad owns one as well, and I work for my dad too. What's the other business?

Rachel: 9:53

Yeah, we need to get like a yeah, we need more about, we need to slow down.

Jason: 9:58

Yeah, let's go back to Paige and Paige's family. Okay, yes, barry, yeo is one business. Fantastic frozen ice cream shop. Yes, frozen yogurt shop.

Paige: 10:07

Almost 12 years. It'd be 12 years at the end of May.

Jason: 10:09

Yeah.

Paige: 10:10

And then my dad owns a commercial industrial painting company painting and power coding company. So like big building, like skyscrapers is the way I always explain it. I'm like you look at a skyscraper in the city. They probably painted it Like they do a lot of work, yeah, he's, yeah, super cool. So my dad owns it, my three brothers, they all they're the ones that would be taking over. So they're all learning from my dad right now. And then after graduation, after I graduated, I joined the company as well, doing more office stuff, invoicing, stuff like that Not nearly as much of a vital part as my brothers are, but learning to be a vital part. And then my dad and I started a cricket company to be a vital part. And then my dad and I started like a cricket company. So we do like t-shirts and stuff like that, learning embroidery. So, like we, we have our own little company. Then there's the big painting company and then there's my mom. So like big, big entrepreneurship family, huge entrepreneurship family.

Rachel: 11:08

So did you grow up that way?

Paige: 11:10

Yes, Okay, um, my mom opened burial when I was 12. Okay, really like pivotal point in my life where you like start actually remembering like your childhood. And then my dad has worked for, had his company since I was, before I was born. I think he's okay he, because he worked for the company and then he took it over, so I think he's been there over 30 years.

Paige: 11:37

My dad's 57, I think Something like that. 57 maybe Sorry Dad, I don't know Somewhere in there he's in his 50s. Can't tell you what the 50 is, but one of the 50s.

Jason: 11:49

I'm with you. I'm with you.

Paige: 11:51

Yeah, so big entrepreneurship family. So I think that another thing that's what got my dad into Andy my second oldest brother, he's the one that really got my dad into Andy. But big help with owning a company because Andy gives a lot of those helpful hints and tricks.

Jason: 12:09

For sure. Yeah, I mean, there's just so much entrepreneurship nuggets that Andy gives and incredible entrepreneurship nuggets, and he brings on awesome guests. I mean, you know him and Alex Ramosi had an episode one time that I thought was just legendary. It was so good, yeah, and you know it's. It's those type of people that you just really, really appreciate, because one they're out there doing it and then they just share and they pour into you and they say this is how to do it, guys. And most people are like well, how come I'm not successful or how come I'm not where I want to be? Well, it's because you haven't done the shit that Andy says that you need to do.

Paige: 12:48

Yep, I think that's one of the biggest things with 75 hard, too is this man lays out exactly what you need to do in the simplest form that you could possibly be told it in, and people. I think that's. The problem with social media is that it's so over-talked about, but over-talked about in the wrong ways. And I'm very open about 75 hard, about my health journey. Like I have talked about it. I put a lot on my Instagram, like I do Instagram stories a lot, but I've always like my biggest goal was to be open about it, because I don't see one. I don't see people my age doing it like the real 75 hard. A lot of them do the 75 soft and I'm not taking away from them. Like you know what. It's better than doing nothing. I hate that. That's the name of it.

Rachel: 13:38

What is 75 soft? What are they doing on that?

Paige: 13:41

If I'm being honest, I don't know, because I didn't care, because it makes me mad, because I'm like just do the real thing.

Jason: 13:47

That's not an Andy affiliate. No, it's not.

Paige: 13:50

He wouldn't come up with that Uh-uh, nope, which, again, is what makes me angry. It makes me angry, and especially more so now. I'm like why? I think it's like one workout. It's not really following a meal plan.

Rachel: 14:09

So it's a workout program. It's not a mental health program, isn't it?

Jason: 14:11

something where you're not supposed to drink in a regular 75-hour, but if you're in a social setting you can. I think so, Isn't something?

Paige: 14:19

stupid like that yeah.

Jason: 14:20

Like what is the point.

Rachel: 14:21

People are just bending the rules, yeah.

Paige: 14:23

Well, exactly, and that's what makes me mad and that's why I was very open about it. I'm like do like check-ins on my Instagram, like every week. Like be like, oh, I'm on day whatever. Like let's get it. But I'm like you need I. I felt like I needed to be honest, especially in a world where there's so many shortcuts there's Ozempic and things like that and again there are people who need those things. Like that is a medical prescription. It's supposed to be used. Like that. I'm not taking away from people that use it like live again, live your best life. But I'm like I need. I felt the need to be open about what I was doing, because I was putting in the work and I wanted other people to see hey, you also can put in the work. Like if I can do it, somebody that has never hit the gym, like doesn't know what they're doing in life at all, you can do it too. Like you can figure it out. Which the coolest thing was is that I had some people hop on with me as I was doing it, which was so cool and like I'm so proud of them. But I took it like upon myself. I check in with all of them all the time I'm like, hey, how's it going? What day are you on? How are you feeling, like if they were struggling? Because, like I read the book on mental toughness by Andy which was really what got me into I was like halfway done with the book and I'm like, yeah, we're done, we're doing 75 hard, like it's, it's happening. I week two and week three are supposed to be where, or are usually where, most people drop out and I was like, hey, those were the two weeks that I like really was honing in on, like how's it going? Keep going, you're going to be okay. Like, yeah, it kind of sucks sometimes, but like you got it.

Paige: 16:02

And I think the biggest turnoff for the 20 somethings is the not drinking coming out of it. I'm over it, cause I. So I started my meal plans. I hired a nutritionist at the beginning of the year, started my meal plans on January 8th, I did a two week detox which I was telling you guys, I couldn't drink my first form energy. But I did a two week detox where I that's where I started cutting out the alcohol I could technically be drinking. I have not drank in over 100 days.

Paige: 16:31

Like I think I'm like 120 something and I'm like why would I Like now? I'm like I don't even want it, whereas I've wanted to do 75 hard since I met you back in like 2021. I've wanted to do 75 hard for years, but I was like I'm not giving up drinking, I just turned 21. Why would I give it up now? Like I just got it, why should I give it up? Looking back, I'm like I really wish I did it back in 2021. Like I don't need this. I wake up, my mind's clear, I go to work. I'm like this is so much better than waking up hungover. Your stomach hurts, your body hurts, your head hurts, like why? I'm like I don't know why I never did it before. Like this is so much better.

Jason: 17:18

Honestly Paige. You gave me chills, yeah.

Rachel: 17:19

I know. Thank you.

Jason: 17:21

You're 23 and you're saying just some incredible things and people don't need alcohol. No, you know it's been such a crutch for so many. Such a crutch, and you learned that in college. Yeah, you, you learn that in college.

Paige: 17:34

Yeah, you totally learn it in college, I did.

Jason: 17:36

Okay, and everyone's an alcoholic in college. I mean that's just kind of normal right, it's just what it is. And then a lot of us can snap out of that and kind of get into the professional world. But what ends up happening? It seems like they do their nine to five. They come home, they crack one open, you know, turns into one, two, you know. Maybe it's only a couple of times a week, but then it ends up being a stressful week. Now it's every single night.

Paige: 17:59

Yeah.

Jason: 17:59

Right, and it's just kind of the snowball effect. You're always waking up, kind of groggy.

Paige: 18:03

Yep.

Jason: 18:03

Your stomach hurts? Yep, we never like you. Just said you never wake up like that. No, You're always focused. It could be a stressful as hell day right, yeah. And you got through it. And then all of a sudden the next day you're clear yeah, as what? And you know you can take it on again.

Paige: 18:17

Well, and that's a huge thing too is that through college, like after my entire 2021, I so I took a break from school. I took a semester off, the spring semester of 22. Didn't feel like, mentally, I was could handle school with just everything that was going on. Luckily, I have parents that support my hopes and dreams and they were like yes, like, take a break. Like you need to do something. Like you're not going to take a break and sit at home and do nothing. And I was like no, and I come from a working family. Like my parents, we wanted 20 bucks.

Paige: 18:53

As kids, you were cleaning floors, like there was something that needed to be done, and they've always been like that, which, at the time, I was always like why, like all of my other friends, just get to do this or get to do that? I'm like why do I have to do this Now, at 23,? I'm like thank God, my parents taught me how to have a work ethic. Like, because there's so many people that don't, and it's like you're. It's harder to get somewhere in life without a work ethic. Like, and that's just the God's honest truth, because if you can't work, then what do you have for yourself? Like you need to stand out. So what makes you stand out? You're going to work for whatever you want.

Jason: 19:32

Let me build off of that a little bit because I'm actually curious. I'm sorry, rachel, I know you want to say that I'm actually curious. What drives your work ethic? Why do you have so much like motivation? What is it for you? I feel like there's a lot of people that they don't really know why they should work so hard, or like they don't know what they're going towards Right. Do you have something that you've kind of identified that is like your why or like what you're going?

Paige: 19:53

towards um, right now, probably I don't. Like I just want a good life for myself. Like I really I look up to my parents, like I think what they have done for me and my three brothers is huge, like and I know it's cliche to say, but they've given us such a good life. And like obviously I was eight when, in 2008, when, like all that happened, when the economy was really bad and all of that but I don't remember life really being different, if that makes sense, and I give credit to my parents for that, because I know that people talk about it like, oh, it was awful and this and that. And I was eight, I didn't know, I had no idea.

Paige: 20:35

But I think it's really important, like just to have a life where you have the luxury of being able to like you're, you're happy, you're healthy and you have enough money to do the things that you want. Like I have never. Obviously it would be amazing to be a millionaire, like I would love it, not would not complain if I had a million dollars, but I don't really know that money would bring me happiness, if I'm being honest, because I just I've never we've never been that kind of family where it's like you need money to be happy, like I'm more of an experienced person, so if I can have experiences I'd be happy, but again, you need money for that. So the world does go round because of money, but I just I think, setting yourself apart, I also think I'm a chronic people pleaser. So I do think part of the work ethic comes from that. Like, yeah, I do want to make people happy, like I, I'm not gonna lie.

Rachel: 21:28

I'm not gonna lie over here.

Paige: 21:30

So, yeah, I'd say that too, like just trying to make my parents proud. I'm I'm very fortunate with the life that I live, working for my parents. I would not trade that for the world, but I also know that that is a luxury that I have, because a lot of people struggle to find a full-time job or find a job in general, and I've been blessed with two amazing jobs that I love very much. But yeah, I think chronic people pleaser and wanting a good life, I'd say Nice house one day maybe, I don't know, I really just want some land with some dogs. When I get older, it's true, I tell everybody I'm late, go ahead.

Jason: 22:11

Lay out, the dream Lay out the vision.

Rachel: 22:13

I just want some land too, with some chickens and a nice garden. That's what I'm like. I just want some land too, with some chickens and a nice garden. That's what I'm saying.

Paige: 22:18

Like, come on, people are like I want a mansion in Barrington Hill. No, give me some land. I'd be okay with Wisconsin, like little small town Wisconsin. Give me a big old piece of land and a whole bunch of dogs and I will be the happiest I could ever be, like I don't even need a husband. I don't, I don't, I'll, I'll do it myself. I'm good like 50 dogs, like I'm good, I'm living.

Jason: 22:42

I'm living the dream yeah, that does sound like the dream that's what I'm saying let's, let's go into 75 hard and what your experience was? Was it hard, had to have been right, or was it easy for you?

Paige: 22:57

I think starting to listen to Andy in 2021 was huge. And then I took that break from school. Parents wanted me to do something with my life. I had really bad anxiety, which I didn't really understand, because again, there's such a stigma behind it. Really understand, because again, there's such a stigma behind it. So I didn't really understand. It was anxiety, but I was so anxious to the point that my entire body was covered in hives. Yeah, like really really bad, and it was mainly on my neck, so like if I would get anxious around people, like I just have like swatches of red all over my neck, which is obviously embarrassing, and then you get more anxiety because it's like, oh, are people looking at my hives? Like great.

Paige: 23:35

So I decided to take up. I heard about, or I would listen to 75 hard, like Andy talking about it. I didn't think I could do it because I just could start drinking. So I didn't want to give up the drinking, but I started to incorporate little aspects into my life. So, january 2022, I started walking my dog outside every single day. My dog was eight at the time. We continued that he still walks. We walk outside every single morning at least like a mile and a half and during 75 hard. It was obviously 45 minutes, but I incorporated that into my life, which I think was a huge aspect, because a lot of people I'm like no, this is another day, like during that Arctic freeze which you guys know, because you were in 75 hard during it I wasn't on yet, but I was walking Like I was still. I think I posted in in the group. I'm like, don't worry, guys, I'm not doing it with you, but I'm still out here with you. Like, don't worry, I got your back. Like cheering all of you on. Yeah, so I think that was a huge part was incorporating that I already drank a ton of water a day. Like my goal for myself has been a gallon of water a day for a very long time and it's been a very easy thing to hit. I love reading, so that was not a huge.

Paige: 24:55

I'm like 10 pages, like I could do like 50, andy, like come on 10. I'm like yeah. So I like yes, it was hard, the pain that you go through. Like I got calluses on the backs of my heels. That was awful, that was. I was like this is one ugly to look at. Like I have calluses on the back of my heels right now, Like what, yeah, and just like you're just tired and just like once you hit what was it? Probably week like five I was like all, right now I'm just like exhausted, like I just want to go to bed for like a week. But like hard, yes, hard, mentally, absolutely Hard the tasks, no Like I think I think once you do it, you get into such a routine with it and I think that's what people miss. Like people are so set on trying to talk themselves out of it before starting it that they don't start it and I'm like, once you like really figure it out.

Paige: 25:52

The hardest part for me was time management, because I do work two jobs and have a family that gets together a lot, trying to see friends, whatever. So like I've, mine fell on Superbowl, which so did your guys's right. You guys had Superbowl that stunk, like I was like everybody else is having all this fun eating, all of these fun things and I'm like I got to get another workout in like dang it. So that time management for that second workout was huge. Luckily, I learned it pretty quickly and in the book it says Andy was like don't stop going out and like seeing people, which I think was huge to hear Andy say that because in my mind I was like I can't go out.

Paige: 26:34

I am a very like if I'm focused on something, I'm focused on that. So I'm like tunnel vision with things. So with my meal plans I was very tunnel visioned. I didn't eat out, like I would go to the bars with my family or my friends I did not drink, I drink water and I would literally just sit there when they were eating and just not eat, because I would eat at home before I went. Because I'm like this is my meal plan, I'm sticking to my meal plan. Why wouldn't I? Like I meal prep during the week. So I'm wasting that money? No, like that's, that's also 20 broke, 23 year old. Like I'm not wasting my money that I just paid for that ground turkey.

Paige: 27:12

But um, yeah, but I think hard, yes, but I think the mental aspects are harder than, like, the actual tasks at hand. But I also think that's the whole point is like how are you going to build mental toughness if, if it's not tough on your mental, like get with it? Like yes, it's going to be hard, but like we need to know that, like you know that walking into it. It's not called 75 easy, it's called 75 hard, and that's what I try and tell people. I'm like no guys, like if you were to change it, it's no longer hard, like it has to be hard in order to succeed and go somewhere and learn something. You don't learn something from the easy stuff in life. Like you gotta, you gotta work through challenges, work through all of that. So I think that that also just your mental yeah, definitely very difficult.

Rachel: 27:54

I think that's the biggest misconception about this program is everybody looks at it like, oh, it's just another fitness thing and it's not at all, because the tasks themselves, like you said, are not actually that hard themselves. Right, they're pretty simple. It's the mental battle of like, how am I going to get it done when something special pops up? How am I going to get the outdoor workout when it's 20?

Jason: 28:16

below and frigid and snowing right.

Rachel: 28:19

It's that. And you said something very key is that we only get better yourself to do hard things, because when you do that, you have this great sense of success and achievement and you're glowing, like you are right now, like you are just beaming with confidence and pride and like it's so visible right. Thank you and that's because you did the hard thing. Yes, and it was, it was hard.

Paige: 29:01

It was, and I think I love to tell the story of my last day on 75 hard because it's yeah it is hilarious.

Paige: 29:10

So we plan this trip. We go down to the, to st louis, for the summit at, at first form, hq, which is your family. It was my mom, my dad, my second oldest brother, who's the one that got my dad into Andy, and then his girlfriend and me. Yes, oh, it was. It was the coolest thing I've ever experienced in my life. But so we're down in St Louis. My uncle lives there, so we go down a couple of days early. Where they're on, we're there Thursday through Sunday and I'm like I'm I'm. As soon as we get these tickets, I'm sitting there like, okay, well, I'm on 75 hard when we're down there. So like one, does the hotel we're at have a gym? Two, where is the hotel that we're at? Is it somewhere that I can walk? Obviously, we all know St Louis area is its own entity. We were in Chesterfield, we stayed in Chesterfield, so nicer but close enough to St Louis that it's like, okay, should I be walking by myself? Like, do I need to figure that out? Should I? Would it be better to walk during the day? Like all of the things. That's what's running through my mind, not what am I going to wear? All of that? I'm like, all right, I'm doing 75 hard. I'm like, okay, what about the meal plans now? Like I, cause I'm on strict meal plans. So I'm I literally text my trainer right away and I'm like, hey, I'm going to St Louis, this is the dates. I'm like, what do you want me to do? Cause I think it's going to be hard for me to bring down meal prep containers, also not knowing what exactly the plan is for the other days. But the summit was booked for five hours. So I'm like I can't bring food into first form HQ. Like you can't be like, hey, first form employees, I'm on meal plans, can I bring my food in? Like they're going to be like get out of here. Like I'm like I'm not trying to get kicked out of HQ here. Okay, like I this is my dream come true. Like I'm not getting kicked out over some meals. Okay, I was. I was freaking out mentally. I'm freaking out. I'm like, what do I do about the meals? Um, yeah, I figured it out with my trainer. I'm like, okay, I feel good, I feel great. So we get down there Thursday. Wake up, take the dog for a walk. That's my outdoor workout. Great, bada, bing, bada, boom. Do my other workout at the hotel gym. Friday is my last day of 75 hard.

Paige: 31:22

I do my or I do a workout at the gym. I did an indoor Usually. I do an outdoor, cause my dog will not let me do anything before walking him. Um, so that's usually. My first workout was my outdoor. I do my workout at the gym and then we're going to my uncle's farm. I'm like great, I will do my outdoor at the farm. Like this is going to be perfect, going to be great, I'll explore whatever.

Paige: 31:45

So I'm walking, I'm doing my walk. I'm about like halfway through. I'm like 22, 23 minutes in and I'm finding cows. We're in herman missouri. Herman missouri is like kind of like huntley, the huntley of missouri. So I'm finding cows. I'm walking next to cows. They're mooing at me as I'm doing my workout and I'm over over here like yeah, what's up? Cows? Thanks for cheering me on. Like you know, I'm loving life. I think I'm going a little nuts, like being with the trees and the cows, but like loving life. I was like this is such a great way to end 75 hard, right here with the cows mooing at me, great.

Paige: 32:18

So, moving at me Great. So I'm walking. And then all of a sudden I like hear like a car coming Right and I'm like, oh, I should probably move. I'm in the middle of the road, so I move and it's my brother and his girlfriend on a side by side and they're like get in, loser. We're going riding. And I'm like guys, I have the rest of my workout to finish, like I can't. And they're like no, no, no, no, no, get in, get in, get in. So I'm like, all right, they're like we're leaving. I'm like, well darn Okay, like whatever, I'll finish it later. So we get back. We weren't leaving.

Paige: 32:51

So I continued my walk, like around the property until we were leaving. I got 40 minutes of a walk-in and they're like all right, pack it up. We're gone. And I'm like can I have five more minutes? And they're like no, pack it up. We're leaving. And I'm like, okay, so we, I turned my little Apple watch off, I pack it up and we leave. So my family. They're like, oh, we get back. Dinner's done, everything's done. We get back to the hotel and they're like all right, we're going to go to Harpo's, which I don't know if you guys been to St Louis but, um, harpo's is it's like a college bar, but it's like a like a rookies kind of would be the best way to explain it. So they're like we're going to go to Harpo's and I'm like I can't go to Harpo's. And they're like what are you talking about? Like what? And I'm like what are you talking about? Like, just do five minutes. I'm like no.

Jason: 33:48

I love this.

Paige: 33:49

I love this already.

Jason: 33:50

I was. I was like I was crossing my fingers that you didn't say that you went and did five more.

Rachel: 34:00

Like I was like oh gosh, you guys were like actually caught the podcast we're done.

Jason: 34:03

She didn't finish finish she didn't do 75 yards. Let's go all right.

Paige: 34:07

All right, finish the story, sorry sorry, no, I I'm at the edge of my seat right I wouldn't have shown up if it was like that, I promise. So I'm like I'm like no guys, like I can't, I can't go, and they're like the entire family is looking at me. Like what are you talking about? I'm like Andy would be mad at me if I just did five minutes and that was like four hours ago. I'm like I have to do the 45 minutes, like whatever, I'll just stay home, like, or I'll just stay at the hotel. So I'm walking this random neighborhood in Chesterfield and the sun's going down and it's going down fast and I'm like, oh my God, I have 45 minutes to do in this random neighborhood. I have no self-defense on me at all, like I know that's bad to say, but I had no, I had my cell phone. Like I was ready to chuck a cell phone if I had to. I'm going up and down streets. It was the longest 45 minutes I think I have ever done in my life and I'm already exhausted because I'm like I already did two workouts today technically. So I'm like dang it. But like at the same time I was like whatever. So I get a phone call and my dad's like hey, we're all just going to take the one car to Harpo's. We'll leave you the other car. Just meet us there when you're done. And I was like, oh, like cool, awesome, I'm like glad everybody's on board now.

Paige: 35:24

Like what, what about five minutes ago? Like you're all, like let's go to hard bows. Like what do you mean? You got to do another workout. So I'm like walking and I'm like I want to say I'd like 10 minutes left. Mind you, I don't know where I am. Like I I don't know Chesterfield, missouri. I know where my uncle lives. That's about it. And I am walking and I'm like I really did this. I'm like this is my last workout. I followed all of my meal plans this entire.

Paige: 35:53

I could have gone nuts. I could have. We were on vacation. I could have gone crazy. I'm like I did the damn thing. I'm five minutes away, five, 10 minutes away from like saying I did 75 hard, like this is fricking nuts and I did it the right way.

Paige: 36:11

And in my mind, like the entire time, I'm just thinking Andy would be so proud of me. That's what I had to tell myself. I'd be like on the hard days I'd be like Andy would be proud, like do I know Andy? No, does Andy know me? Not a damn clue, but I'm like he would be proud if he knew what I was doing. Like that's what I had to tell myself and it got me through.

Paige: 36:33

And I was like you know what? Did it stink that I had to do another 45 minute workout? Yes, do I still give my brother crap for telling me to get into the side-by-side? Absolutely, I'm like, dude, you could have just let me finish the workout and then I wouldn't have had to do two. But also, I think it was huge and I also think that was one of those like everything happens for a reason and that just goes to prove like I did it the right way because clearly I learned something from it. It wouldn't have been right if I just did five minutes.

Paige: 37:04

I had to redo the entire thing and I was like go you. Like I'm really bad about giving myself credit, but in that moment I was like good for you, you did it, you learned something from it. More importantly, and now keep going, like what's next? Like we got to find something else, which I think was also the coolest thing, because then the next day was the summit and I'm standing in First Form HQ and I'm like hell, yeah, I did 75 hard yesterday. But we had two tour guides and their names were TJ and Nick, which you guys might have seen. Them they're like models on the First Form website, which was so funny because I was like wait, I know these guys, I've seen you in ads. I'm like wait, what?

Jason: 37:49

Like it was so funny, what is TJ's last name Lavelle or something. Yeah, yeah, I think I get emails from him.

Paige: 37:55

Probably he's very kind, he's a very kind human being, but they're taking us on a tour of first form and they're explaining all of the ins and outs and everything. And TJ said something that actually like really stuck with me. He said that Andy says they don't get lockers in the locker room right away when they I'm going to get this wrong but they have like an employee of the year every year at the banquet. And TJ got it last year or two years ago and he was saying that you don't get a locker right away because Andy's big thing is get hot, stay hot. So you have to prove that. Yes, because you had an amazing year. What's next? Like can you show me more? Next?

Paige: 38:37

And I was like that being the day after I finished 75 hard, I'm like OK, like that is actually massive to live by. Because it's like okay, I did 75 hard, but like what I learned from it? What am I going to take with me from it? Because, yeah, it's great that I did it. Anybody can do something for 75 days. It's what you do with the rest of your life. So that was massive to hear, like right in that moment.

Paige: 39:04

And also just the entire summit was just amazing, like just mental toughness, the standard, ben Newman's amazing Um. So to hear all of those things was also so impactful for me in the place of life that I was at in that moment, because I was like I'm on a high right now. What happens when that high's over? But then all of these people just gave me all these tools for what happens when that high's over and like how to continue, how to be better, how to just live your life the way that it needs to be lived instead of like the way that everybody else wants you to live it. So, yeah, I mean I I love my story of when I finished and like the day after, because it's hilarious to me, I'm like this is so funny.

Paige: 39:47

What a finale yeah, I'm like I mean I blame my brother, I do he? Yeah, it was self-sabotage or it was sabotage.

Rachel: 39:53

I think I'm like mm-hmm, they want to give you one last test.

Paige: 39:58

Apparently I'm like, I'm doing my the cows. The cows were cheering me on, man. Okay, like if the cows were cheering me on.

Rachel: 40:09

Why can't you?

Paige: 40:09

guys, okay, it was fun. It was fun. I don't regret it, but yeah, it was. It was definitely hilarious to be like, yeah, I had to do three workouts my last day, 75 hard and people are like what I'm? I'm like, yeah, I messed up a little bit, got on a side by side and was not the right choice. In that moment I'm like could have just walked back and then gotten on the side by side. But you know, here we are. I'm better for it.

Jason: 40:35

So what were like your real results that you can kind of like this is what happened. Before the program, I was this. By the end of the program, I was this do you have anything there that you can kind of point to?

Paige: 40:46

Yes, so actually, um, on the program I lost 34 pounds. Wow, yeah, I'm down as of Monday. I'm down 40 all together from January 8th, which is like that's a lot of weight to lose in five months. I obviously feel great, but at the same time, this is also I, I think 75 hard for it. The mental aspects of losing that much weight in such a small amount of time is something that I didn't really think about and I also didn't really think I could lose that much weight as quickly as I did. But the mentality that you need to do that because it's like you do go into kind of like a Stockholm syndrome or imposter syndrome, not Stockholm syndrome, like an imposter syndrome of like this is now me, this is now my body, like it's weird and like that's that's I dropped. Like sizes, so that was big too. And like my entire closet no longer fits me. Like I need an entire wardrobe, but I don't have the investments to buy an entire new wardrobe. So it's been like trying to figure all of that out and like wearing the same clothes that used to like either be too small or fit me just right now don't fit at all. So I think if this would have happened before. I did 75 hard, I definitely would be way more lost than I am and I think I'd be a lot more like stressed out and anxious about it, whereas with 75 hard it's like I take everything day by day and I it's okay. This is something that I need to overcome. This is something I need to work on. I can do that and I'll figure it out. It's just. Another crucial task in the day is figuring out mentally where we're going, what we're doing. I also think I just think a couple of steps ahead more now, which is awesome because I before I would just fly by the seat of my pants because I'm young and dumb and broke and don't care. But yeah, I think I also one of the biggest things that came out of this and actually you posted about it I think I saw it last night You're like saying no to things.

Paige: 43:00

I'm learning that, which is huge for me, because I say yes to everything. I would go out all the time, even when I didn't want to. Now I was literally talking to my trainer about it the other day. I'm like my Saturday nights look like me sitting in bed with a book and my dog. I'm like at 23. Like everybody else is out hammered or partying or doing whatever, and I'm like I'm literally sitting at home with a book most Saturday nights. Like I'm lame, I'm the lame 23 year old and I'm okay with it. Like I love it. Again, also learned you just don't you don't need alcohol. Like just because everybody else is drinking doesn't mean you need to be. Just because everyone else is eating out doesn't mean you need to be like I.

Paige: 43:39

Also learned people don't really care and usually the people like I I'm so thankful for the support system that I have, I have an amazing support system but the people that care and don't have good things to say about it. I'm like you either wish that you'd done it or you just don't like want to see other people win, and if you don't want to see other people win, you don't belong in my life. Like I. Yeah, again, andy, I listened to Andy. You can. I can attest most things to Andy. Um, that dude is like I put him on such a pedestal Like truly I. I've always been like that. I think like I've always just liked to see other people succeed.

Paige: 44:24

Just because I don't know why, I think it's great and I also think I can learn a lot from people that are succeeding, whereas if you're mad that somebody else is succeeding, there's a problem with that. Whatever it may be I don't know what it is, I'm not licensed for that. May be, I don't know what it is, I'm not licensed for that but there I seriously think there is a problem with you, not either with you having something to say about someone winning. If you don't like it and you keep it to yourself, sure, not my problem. But if you're going to flat out like, say, hey, this person's winning and I'm upset about it, I have a problem with that. Like I'm going to have the person who's winnings back every single time, because it's like you are putting in the work, you are doing what you're supposed to be doing and that's amazing for you.

Paige: 45:08

Like I, I just don't understand why anybody would bring somebody else down in any way, shape or form. I don't see a point in it. Like if, if it doesn't affect you, why do you care? You know, like I, just I've I've never understood that, though I've always kind of been like, leave it to. Like, leave myself, keep myself away from it, just because, like I, it doesn't affect me. Like in now more than ever. I'm like, if it does, if it has no effect on my life, I don't care, unless you're my friend and like I care about you, then like I'll care. But yeah, in general I'm like, no, I don't care.

Rachel: 45:43

I think that is so insightful and wise of you recognizing that so early in your life. I think it is going to bring you a lot of empowerment just to know that you know when you're doing hard things. It's kind of separating you from people who are either facing their own insecurities because, like you said, if they're not supporting you or aren't proud, it's probably a truly a reflection how they're feeling about themselves or they're just people that you don't want to surround yourself with. And I think that is so insightful and such a huge thing to recognize so early in life. I think I really applaud you for that because it's going to be very powerful for you as you continue to grow.

Jason: 46:22

Thank you, because it's going to be very powerful for you as you continue to grow. Thank you, I wanted to ask you. You brought up a little while ago. You said your anxiety was pretty big for the program. But I'm really interested to kind of hear where that's at now, after you've completed it, and if there's any change there.

Paige: 46:38

So I have an amazing, amazing, amazing trainer, slash nutritionist. I absolutely adore her. She is like one of the best things that ever happened to me in my entire life. We have really been working on hormones. That's another thing to like bring up, as, throughout all of this, I also got off birth control, which I don't know if you guys know about, like all of that lovely stuff, but it really messes with your body.

Paige: 47:04

So we've really been working on my hormones and I my anxiety is like just non-existent, like I it's a yeah, it's like very hard to get stressed, like very hard for me to get stressed I still do, but like I do not get anxious. Like if you would have asked me to do this like a year or two ago, I'd be shaking my boots. Right now I'm like we're good, like I don't know if it's first form energy or what but, shameless plug.

Rachel: 47:39

This is so powerful because we do. We do talk about this a lot because I've come to the same realizations of everything you put in your body impacts not just your physical aspect but your mental state 100%, and it's funny.

Paige: 47:53

My brother's girlfriend is a doctor of chiropractics, yeah, and I was talking to her the other day and I'm like, dude, it is crazy because, as like normal humans, like I went to school for elementary education. I don't do that, I work in business but like none of those things match with like learning about the body and I'm like it is crazy when, like you finally do start to get in tune with your body, how one thing matters to like everything else. Like you have calf or you have knee pain, it's probably your calf or your ankle. I never put that together because why would I need to know that? But like, I'm like that is nuts.

Paige: 48:27

That like cause I was having issues with like my foot during it and one of her people that works at the office was like you should take like a massage gun to your calf and he's like that'll fix your foot. And I'm like what he's like? No, like I'm telling you take a massage gun to your calf and your foot will like it was like a muscle was tight or something and he's like the muscle will untighten. And I'm like you're kidding. So I did it and it worked and I was like my calf is attached to the bottom of my foot Like what.

Rachel: 48:59

Like it was crazy, but I literally have this like exact same story.

Rachel: 49:02

My stepdad was having knee pain and he went in and talked to a surgeon, of course, who was like you don't quite need surgery yet, but yeah, we'll probably do a replacement in a couple of years or whatever. He asked for physical therapy. Smart on his part just to find some exercises and his physical therapist is looking at his scans and he's just like you don't have knee problems, like let's take a look, let do an exam. He's like you got flat feet. You just need an insert in your shoe and his knee pain's gone isn't it crazy they were about to operate on him yeah, they were about to operate on him.

Paige: 49:34

Shocking, yeah, shocking again. Listen to, andy, I'm like it's, it's nuts's nuts.

Jason: 49:42

I am blown away that you had a severe anxiety issue that caused you to have hives.

Paige: 49:49

Haven't had hives in five months and you are at a point where I don't get anxious. Yeah, listen to Andy In a matter of months.

Jason: 49:56

Yeah, Okay, okay.

Paige: 49:57

So listening to Andy, is it?

Jason: 49:59

Andy, or is it? Was it 75 hard?

Paige: 50:03

I think it's everything put into one, like I do. I think part of it also could be getting off the birth control, like I mean, I'm sure that was a huge thing because I also didn't really have anxiety until I got on birth control, but I also got on birth control when I started college, so like it's like a toss up of like, and I got on it for my hormones. Which is the best part is that I was 19 and I'm like yeah, you know my acne, like whatever, I have really bad periods, whatever she's like. Oh, I'll put you on birth control Like it was no, there was no questions asked with it, and there's no counseling about the dysregulation that it's going to cause with your natural hormones or if there's something else you could do to impact your hormones.

Paige: 50:49

So the best part was, too, is I started the process of asking if I they're trying to get off of it, like a year and a half ago, and they were like, oh, no, you're not your, you can lose weight on birth control. No, okay, no, no, you cannot. Like they, they, but they're also making money, it's big pharma, so whatever. But andy, I'm telling you, andy, I learned everything from that man. I'm telling you, and, but like truly, it also yes, I, I keep saying andy, but like it's also just like realizing it as a, just realizing it as a human being. He can scream at you all he wants, but if you're not willing to learn it, you're not going to learn it. A big thing was him talking about getting off of his antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds. I was like wait, they're probably doing that with birth control. I should probably get off this Literally instantly.

Paige: 51:45

It was like the weight started coming off. The water weight was gone in literally two weeks, which was nuts Like I lost. The first week I lost seven pounds of being on my meal plans and it's like most of that was water weight. Like I can show you guys the before and after later. But like it was insane how quickly things changed, how quickly my mental changed. Like now I can't go without getting like eight hours of sleep, like I sleep like a rock, whereas before I'd be like an insomniac and then would say it's college, so you go to bed at.

Paige: 52:19

I lived at home too, like, but I I'd go to bed at like 12 and I'd wake up at 530, be able to walk my dog, be at 8 am class, go to class all don't wake up to alarm clocks anymore because I, my sleep is so much deeper and I'm like all of this has effects on the next thing. But I'm also putting way better food in my body than I ever have in my entire lifetime, so that probably plays a role in it as well. Again, listening, reading is a huge thing. All of that, I think, has honestly really helped it. And just realizing what does help me, like my walks are huge. Anytime I'm feeling anxious. If I take my dog for a walk, even if it's just a mile, I feel instantly better, like the fresh air, the I I I, I have to.

Jason: 53:25

I looked at Rachel, yeah.

Rachel: 53:27

I looked at Rachel the other day.

Jason: 53:28

It was last week and, uh, you know she. So Rachel um tried out for the Cincinnati Bengals cheerleaders, um, and she finds out on Friday here on if she makes it. But before the audition, the final audition, uh, she was kind of in this state of you know stress, yeah, which is very, very expected. And I said, rachel, I think you should just go for a walk. Go for a walk, it'll solve so many problems, and the reason I know that that is a cure is because it solves so many problems for me, and I just heard it solves problems for Paige Yep, and it is just one of those things. You get outside me and I just heard it. It solves problems for page yep, and it is just one of those things you get outside. You get the sunlight, you get the fresh air. It's just you. It's just you. You, maybe you've got, maybe you have andy in your ears I usually do maybe it's, it's some type of jam or or whatever.

Jason: 54:14

Like you just get into a mental state of almost like bring you back to equilibrium, reset, and all of a sudden you know you're not as anxious, yeah, you're not as nervous. You're like okay, I just got some exercise, there's blood flowing, there's dopamine, that's kind of there a little bit, yeah. And if it's a nice day, oh my god, it's like you know, sunshines and rainbows, all of a sudden, and the funny thing is I actually like walking on days like today where it's pouring rain more because one.

Paige: 54:42

It gives me a sense of like achievement because nobody else is outside.

Paige: 54:46

Yeah and two, nobody else is outside, because then it's not like I love my neighborhood. I have an amazing neighborhood. I get stopped like all the time when it gets nice out again and I'm like I just in my my poor dog, poor dog, he is going to be 11 in September. He and, by the way I do have to mention he's can't hear this but Ford did do 75 hard with me. Okay, my dog did two workouts a day, every single day. He drinks a gallon of water every day. People are like, yeah, but he didn't do the reading, and I'm like, no, he lays in my bed while I'm reading, though. So technically he did do the reading. So I do have to shout out my dog because he got me accountable through the whole thing. But yeah, that poor, that poor little homie. And now he's in a routine of doing two walks a day.

Paige: 55:37

So you think 75 hards done. Not when you have a dog, because I'm still going. I'm like you pain in the butt, buddy, but yeah, I'm like I love when it's. I like like that in between, when nobody wants to be outside because it's kind of gloomy out, I'm like, yes, give me that every day, because I just want to walk and I want to be in peace and I want to tunnel vision it. So I do love the nice weather, but like it is funny.

Paige: 56:00

I'm like, yeah, I like being like alone and people are like what? I'm like you just talk, you have to talk to people and just the disrespect on the sidewalks. I'm like you know you're by yourself. I have a dog. Why am I the one in the street Like, hold up here, let's take a second. But yeah, it is funny, but it does the the mental aspects of walking, massive, massive, tell everybody. I'm like just walk and that's a big thing with 75 r2, people get so freaked out that like again, andy, andy's a scary guy, like from a, from a young woman's perspective, like is, does andy look like? He's not not look, but like when you look at Andy, it's like, oh, that dude is intimidating, like and I see it like. I don't think so anymore because I listen to him and I'm like, no, he seems nice like and my dad's like. I one day I called Andy a teddy bear and my dad goes. I'm gonna tell you right now Andy's not a teddy bear and I was like.

Paige: 57:00

I was like in my mind I think Andy, not a teddy bear and I was like I was like in my mind I think Andy's a teddy bear, like let me live that dream. But, um, I think it's just so intimidating because he's such a massive man that, like I get it. So people look at him and they're like, oh my God, I'm going to look like that after 75 hard. But that's the biggest thing that I've explained to people is that he just lays out the basics for you. You choose what you do like you choose your 245 minutes. You don't have to be at a gym twice, twice a day, working out for 45 minutes each. You can't even because one of those workouts needs to be outside.

Paige: 57:39

And I'm like Andy walks that's one of his workouts is he walks, he talks about it, he shows you it. Like if Andy can walk, anybody can walk. Like you're allowed to walk during 75 hard, like that is something you can do. So I think that was a big thing too was trying to take all the misconceptions that people have and just try and debunk as many of them as I could with like my social media, because I'm like you're so scared of it because you think that you have to be pumping iron and look like this jacked, look like a jacked dude Like you don't. Like you can still do well and build that mental toughness without sitting at a gym twice a day for 45 minutes, like, which is a big thing, I think. I mean he's what he posted yesterday. I think he's 262 or something like that. I'm like I don't look like Andy, but I still did good. I'm like I don't want to look like Andy, like love you Andy, but no, I'm good. I don't want to look like that.

Jason: 58:33

Let me ask you there's a lot. I've had a lot of discussion lately that 75 hard isn't sustainable.

Paige: 58:39

That's a lie.

Jason: 58:45

What did you say? That's a lie. I'm sorry. One more time. One more time so that everybody can hear it. What did you say?

Paige: 58:48

That's a lie. It is 150% sustainable.

Jason: 58:53

Tell me more.

Paige: 58:55

Well, the fact that I can do it at 23, the fact that you guys can do it with children, the fact that there's pregnant people that do it, the fact that Andy Frazella, who is a massive business owner, owns multiple businesses, literally is at his businesses seven days a week If he can do it, anybody can do it. You want to talk about a packed schedule? That dude's got a packed schedule. Sal's done it. Sal has three kids that are all in sports, like also I again, I don't know what his title is ceo, cfo. If sal can do it, anybody can do it. Like there are the. They had the um.

Paige: 59:36

Two winners on of like the fall challenge, andy did a 75 hard versus and the one guy's like a um. What's that called? Where they're like do the line, like alignment. I think that's called right when they work on the power lines. Dude's traveling, like if he can do it, anybody can do it. I'm like people just need to get out of the mindset of this is too hard. They do and again, I'm, I'm right there with them.

Paige: 1:00:03

I did it for two years Like I was like oh, I don't have time, I'm in college. No, I absolutely could have made time and I chose not to like. That's fully on me and I take full accountability for it. But, like, anybody can make time, if Andy and Sal and people with children like you guys can do it, any normal person can do it. Like there, there's few exceptions that I'll make that can't do it. But like most people 99% of the world I would say, can do it. They're just choosing not to. Yeah, I'm going to call them out. Yeah, I will, I will. I'm like you know what? And that that honestly, like is what kind of makes me mad sometimes is people are like oh, what did you do? Like 40 pounds is noticeable, that's a noticeable amount of weight to lose. So, like, I don't blame people.

Paige: 1:00:52

I get asked about it. They asked what I did and they're like that's hard. I'm like did I not just say 75 hard? Like, is that not what the words that just came out of my mouth Like, yeah, I said the word hard. Yep, I did. Yeah, it was hard. You're like yeah, okay, moving on, I did it, did I not? Like, I completed it? We're good Moving on. Guys Like I'm like what the heck? But also I do have to say too, I do have to give shout out to Josh that works over at First Form.

Paige: 1:01:16

Do you guys follow First Form on Instagram? So you know the guy with the mullet, yes, so's josh. Josh actually was the one that talked to me into doing 75 hard, because he did it with you guys, like he did the right at the first of the year, like a bunch of first form employees did. And yeah, we, we were chit-chatting on instagram and he was like, why don't you just do it? And I was like, yeah, you're right, why don't I just do it? I was like wow, yeah, like he like really put it into perspective. And I was like, oh, yeah, like you're right, why don't I just do it? I was like, wow, yeah, like he like really put it into perspective. And I was like, oh, yeah, like, why am I not just doing it? Like, sure, so I do. I give him a lot of the credit. And, like you guys, I talked to you guys and you added me into the group and like that was massive too. I'm like why am I not doing this? Like, and again, I read the book on mental toughness and everybody that I tell to read that book too, I'm like you're going to want to run through a brick wall Like he, andy, makes you feel like oh, I loved it, andy came out, so he first had like a 75 hard book but, then,

Jason: 1:02:12

he came out with this, the book on mental toughness, which I think is better than the 75 hard book, Cause I read the 75 hard book. He he kind of takes the main concepts of the 75 hard and puts it into this one, so it's like it was kind of a repeat for me, but he brought the more of the mental toughness ideas yes into it, which was really, really cool. So I I do recommend that one for sure I loved it and I love I.

Paige: 1:02:34

I'm not a non-fiction person I struggle with, like self-help books. I also feel like a lot of self-help books are very repetitive, like it's different people saying a lot of the same things, which to me gets annoying. I'm like, okay, I understand, I should be journaling, like got it? Okay, um, I haven't started. I have the journal, I haven't started. But with Andy, I think I think listening to him too helps, because I'm a very like visual person or like auditorial, so like I'm reading it and I'm literally reading it in Andy's voice in my head and I was like, yeah, you're right, I can do hard things, andy, like you know, like so.

Paige: 1:03:13

But the way that he laid it out, it didn't feel like a self-help book, like cause. It was just very to the point, like Andy is, which is what I absolutely loved about it, because I'm like, okay, I don't feel like you're talking at me and just saying these things, like you've lived it. You're also giving us prime examples, you're explaining to me why it works, which I thought was so helpful. Sorry, so helpful as well, because I'm like knowing why I'm doing this is more important than just like doing it without a cause, like he really lays out okay, so you need to drink the water, because these are the benefits to drinking the water, like, which I think is just a helpful thing to know is like okay, this is why I'm having you do two 45 minute workouts. So I'm having you do this, this is why I'm having you do this. Knowing why it was 75 days was cool, because I never knew that. Like I was like okay, like that makes sense, like cool Because like I was like what do you like? What does 75 represent?

Jason: 1:04:10

It's really about habit building, right, it takes that long for habits to really sink in, and repetitiveness.

Paige: 1:04:15

Absolutely yeah. So I found I that book's amazing and again I read it and like I read it, I had talked to you guys, I talked to Josh and it was like, immediately, I was like halfway through when all of these conversations happened and I'm like, yep, I'm doing it and, contrary to my nutritionist which I feel really bad about, but she did tell me not to do 75 hard Um, because it was going to boost my cortisol, which I understand your stress Is. It Isn't it stress hormone? It's a hormone Just putting like doing that where when?

Paige: 1:04:53

Because I started week three or week four of my meal plans, so like right after I got off the birth control and was cutting all of this stuff out of my life, I also wasn't intaking a whole bunch of calories, so I was intaking more than I did the first two weeks. Because when I talked to you guys originally I was like, oh no, I can't do it. I'm doing this detox which I was not eating nearly enough to be able to do two workouts a day. I probably could have, but it probably just would have been really bad, like it would have done more harm than good. But yeah, she didn't really want me to do it, but I was in taking more calories.

Paige: 1:05:27

I also was being careful with what I was doing. Like I still obviously heart rate up, like sweating, all of that. But like I was also like, okay, I wasn't hitting circuits every day, I would hit circuits three days a week Cause that's what my trainer had given me, and then I do more cardio the other days. So like it was just a good trade off and I she also wanted me doing 10,000 steps a day, which like I can't hit that normally. Like I work a desk job, my full-time jobs, desk job. So like I need to walk anyway. So I'm like, if I'm walking, that's not really like an awful workout to be doing. Like obviously you're okay with me walking. So I just kind of did it and just didn't really say much.

Paige: 1:06:10

I'm like, yeah, and then I finished and I was like it was yeah, and that's why I waited too, was I was like I'm not just going to jump into doing this because, like, I'm not trying to mess my body up when I'm doing all this work to fix it.

Jason: 1:06:26

Obviously, it turned out Okay, I'm okay. So thankfully, yeah, and I kind of love this because I've had other people that I know of that are like, yeah, no, you know, I talked to my doctor about it. They don't recommend it. Or, like I've talked to my or my, I talked to my therapist.

Paige: 1:06:40

Oh, I love the water. I'm so sick of people in the tank water. I'm like it's water. Guys, you're not going to die.

Jason: 1:06:46

Yeah, I know the amount of people that are going after the water thing is just ridiculous you should be drinking gallon water without doing 75 hard.

Paige: 1:06:54

That's a normal intake of water.

Jason: 1:06:56

This is coming from a female guys. This is coming from a female that says this A woman that says this, a woman and here's. Here's what I notice it's the men that are saying. It's always the guys, it's the men that complain about it.

Rachel: 1:07:09

But if you're a small person like you, don't, you shouldn't be drinking that much water and they're like trying to feel bad for the women yes, and I'm like obviously we have successful women here that have been able to do this.

Jason: 1:07:20

There is something that you are telling yourself that you think that this is too much for you, but it's not no, it is, it's really the dudes.

Paige: 1:07:28

And also the funny thing is, women all have like some emotional support water bottles like I I don't know if you guys have heard of that like we all, ladies all have like a cup that we take with us everywhere. A yeti, a stanley, whatever it may be, we all have one. So it's don't worry about the women, we're good, we're in taking enough water every day, like, and you also don't realize how much a gallon is until, like you're actually counting out how many of those water bottles you're drinking. You're like, oh, I do that, like I, I again, like I said, I've been doing that Like water truly water and first form energy are like my two prime drinks. That's basically all I drink every day Like, and I only drink one first form Like.

Paige: 1:08:10

Don't worry everybody, I'm not shooting out my hormones or my my whatever it's like, cause there's people that are like are you drinking those all day? I'm like no, I drink one. You want me 400 milligrams of caffeine in my body and no, I would be bouncing off the walls all day. I'm like one is good enough for me. But no, I drink water. I always have, and I see no problem with it and all the people that were scared to start and drink a gallon of water a day, literally after week one, they're like, oh, this isn't bad. I'm like, yeah, you just need to give it a chance. You're not even giving, you're not even trying it like you're automatically going in oh, a gallon of water.

Jason: 1:08:51

That's so much water like that's a healthy amount of water, guys, that's like it'll actually make you feel good? Yes, it does it does make you yes, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, the side effect is you drink more water, you have to go to the bathroom more. I mean that is a thing, but you know what your body adjusts. It does take a while for it to adjust but it does.

Paige: 1:09:02

By week three you're probably going to be regulated. Yeah, like, figure it out, you're also an adult. Like we're not telling five-year-olds to drink gallon water. Like you're an adult, you'll be okay. Yeah, it'll be all right.

Jason: 1:09:13

I wanted to go back to this one more point, because it's, I feel like, about like hey, should I do this program called 75 Hard? We detail it to them. Chances are your medical professional hasn't done it and you know what they're going to do. They're going to give you a conservative approach to well, we don't want to stress you right.

Paige: 1:09:31

Yeah, hey, your cortisol is going to spread, which was fair. My nutritionist she's cool. Like. We trust her and we like her yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

Jason: 1:09:42

it was fair. I was like she gave you kind of like, hey, there's a, there's a risk to it right now. Yeah, yeah, in that moment, yes, yeah okay, I'm with you, um, I, but I guess the point that I'm trying to say here is that of the medical people that I've talked to, and they are against it because they're just like, well, the sounds of that just sounds like crazy for your body.

Jason: 1:10:02

Why would you? You do that? That's going to be the approach and that's probably going to be the recommendation. Yeah, but then if you do talk to other people that have actually completed the program, literally, I have not come across one person that has said this was a waste of time. I got zero result. I'm not larger.

Paige: 1:10:21

Your muscles might be larger.

Jason: 1:10:23

I actually gained a ton of unhealthy weight on the program, I'm in a worse mental state than I ever have been. You know I I can't eat. You know I can't say no to things I've. Those things don't exist. I've never heard anybody say this. And so point is is that, yeah, it's hard, but the results are fantastic.

Paige: 1:10:45

Better than anything you could ever buy yourself. And I tell people that I'm like you want to change your life. I'm like 75 hardest way to change your life Like it is. I went to an extreme and like I know I did with like my meal plans. Like I'm I'm still on them and they're still very strict and I wouldn't change that. That was for me. Like I did that before. I even wanted to start 75 hard. That was for me to just make a change in life. I graduated. I'm trying to better my life.

Paige: 1:11:15

I was making so many changes already that I'm like why am I not changing my eating habits but adding 75 hard on top of that? Like I truly cannot tout. Like I'm like already thinking of the next time I'm doing it. I'm like all right, so Jan or August, I'm like back to it. Like why not? Because let myself take a little like and I hate calling it a break, but I am trying to learn the balance of like you don't fully have to be on a very strict meal plan all the time to get results. Like you can let yourself have some grace and go out to dinner and like get a salad instead of like sitting there with the family and like not eating out, like or have a barrio or have some barrio, yeah, I mean actually, I'm actually curious to ask you about that I mean working there and it the frozen yogurt.

Jason: 1:12:04

It sucked, I'm not going to lie.

Paige: 1:12:07

I cut out dairy and gluten. So I just stare at it Because, like, of course, like I have had ice cream at my fingertips for as long as I wanted, I got sick of it after I turned like 16 and I was there all the time. I'm like I don't want ice cream. Like you know you get, you always have it. You're over it now and I'm like, not as sweet. Like I like sweets, but like I only really like sweets if they're in front of me. Like if we're at like a party, I'll be like, oh yeah, I'll have a cupcake, but like I wouldn't avidly go out of my way why, couldn't tell you. But as soon as I'm allowed to have a chocolate chip cookie and ice cream, I'm going to be like, eh, I don't really want a chocolate chip cookie and ice cream. Like I know that that's it's because I want what I can't have and yeah, it has been. There are days where I'm like I would love it, but I also know that putting dairy into my body after five months of not having dairy is not going to be pretty. So I'm like I'm not even that's. That's not worth a cheat. Like that really isn't. Like a spoonful of Berrio is not worth it.

Paige: 1:13:14

We do have dairy free options, which is great. It is great Gives you that little sweet tooth. I've honestly been really good about staying away from all of it. Again, it's's hard like you're just staring at it and when you want something sweet, it's right there. During 75 hard. It was so easy because I'm like that's cheating, like there's no way I can't do it, like I'd ruin my entire 75 hard. So like like eyes were closed. Like I'm like blinders on, like I'm not working in a frozen Yogurt shop. What is that? Couldn't be it like whatever. Now'm like sometimes I do want like dairy free, but I'm also I'm like, okay, I have the rest of my life to eat ice cream, like whatever. Get through this.

Jason: 1:13:52

I like what you said there. Sorry, I like what you said there because you're like, when I was on 75, hard it was actually easier because I knew it was it was a cheat. I actually can relate to that too, because it was easy for me to skip the sweets because, it was just like I know I can't, I can't do this, otherwise I completely fail this huge thing that I've been going after. But as I'm off the program, now it's it's.

Jason: 1:14:17

it's a heck of a lot easier for me to be, like oh, it's just one cookie, you know, or it's just one M&M type thing, and I do do that right now. But I also recognize that the moment that I have one M&M, it turns into three more. It turns into four more. It turns into, you know, I had seven in the morning and then I go back in the afternoon, I give a couple to my kids and then I'll take one. Well then it turns into seven more.

Jason: 1:14:41

After that, all of a sudden I've had 14 mms yeah, yeah, okay I, and then I always check the back and I'm like shit, how many can I have today? Because what's the serving calories. And then I'm like then it says oh, it says you can have 30 in a day, and I'm like oh, okay, I'm still under that but at least, but you see what I mean it like all of a sudden, it just starts to it's a ripple effect.

Paige: 1:14:59

Yeah, it is.

Rachel: 1:15:00

It's fucking addictive learned so much about, like diet and food is just our awareness around what's in the? Food, and it's being created to be addicting, so that you have to go back because your brain is like so spiked from that that dopamine kick and that sugar my favorite thing is when people are just like oh, just have the ice cream.

Jason: 1:15:20

Yeah, just be happy and have the ice cream. Well, that's what the fucking ice cream is there for. It's going to make you happy and then it's going to cause you to have this surge that you want to have. This is why they do experiments on mice. Yeah, they give them sugar water and then they give the other mice the non-sugar water and the sugar water ones they go nuts. They just keep going crazy. Yeah water, yeah, and the sugar water one. They go nuts they just keep going crazy.

Paige: 1:15:44

Yeah, they just keep going back for more.

Jason: 1:15:45

Yeah, like me on my first form energy.

Rachel: 1:15:47

Oh yeah, right. So I I want to ask you real quick I'm really interested in how you found your nutritionist and your trainer, because you've dropped a lot of really interesting nuggets of somebody who's very thorough and very good at what they do. So I'm just curious how you came across them and if you went through like a like an interviewing or exploring phase before you found the right fit. So it's really funny.

Paige: 1:16:05

I got lucky. Okay, she was the first one I talked to and it was an immediate click, immediate amazing. So, yes, so so I have two older brothers, one's 30 and one's about to be 28. They have an amazing. Both of them have amazing groups of friends. One of their friends he used to do bodybuilding. Like two years ago he was in a show and he has done 75 hard and his wife works out and they're amazing people and I've been talking to them for like the past couple of years.

Paige: 1:16:34

I'm like, yeah, I really want to go to the gym. I've been saying I wanted to like go to the gym for years. I'm afraid of going to the gym, like I don't know what I'm doing. I'm also a very clumsy human being and I'm like I'm going to hurt myself very badly if I go to the gym on my own, I think. So I've been talking to him on and off about it. And then one of their other friends she goes to a gym that they do like all of these like challenges at that gym, like shreds and stuff like that, and so both of them, I was talking to both of them and he sent me a trainer.

Paige: 1:17:10

That was a guy and I was a little skeptical, just because men in the gym industry are intimidating, like they're very big, they yell a lot and I am not like yes, I grew up around three brothers. Yes, I listen to, andy, I cannot be yelled at. Like, if you yell at me, I will probably cry. Like please don't do that. Like I'm scared. So he sent me a guy but I heard that he was like this amazing dude, very nice guy, whatever. So I was like, okay, like I'll give it a shot, I text him. He couldn't take me. So he gave me like five other people that were doing like nutrition slash training. And I was like okay, so I look all of these guys up You're not supposed to judge a book by its cover but like they were. So they were like bigger than Andy, like their arms were like bigger than Andy. And I was like, oh, with like tattoos. And I'm like, oh, they're going to yell at me. Like they're going to like yell when I'm trying to like lift weights and I'm going to freak out. Like there's no way, like I, I can't do that.

Paige: 1:18:13

So I text the other friend and I'm like yeah, so-and-so, couldn't take me as a client. Like, so he gave me like five other people to contact because the guy that I was given was is very well known between the friends. So she was like, okay, well, you know what, like I used to use a trainer I'm going to give you her contact info See if she can take you before you contact those other five guys. And I was like amazing. So it turns out, both of these people know my nutrition my now nutritionist, people know my nutrition my now nutritionist but yeah, she could take me right away. It was amazing, loved her immediately. It was. It's very, very affordable for me, which is great because, like you hear some of these people charging astronomical numbers and I'm like, yes, I want to change my life, but I do not have that kind of funds.

Jason: 1:19:00

Can you give an example of what you're kind of looking at there?

Paige: 1:19:03

Like how much I pay.

Jason: 1:19:04

Yeah.

Paige: 1:19:05

So for the initial month it was a hundred bucks for her to do like an introduction, all that um and start the meal plans, and now it's 50 bucks a month. Oh which.

Rachel: 1:19:15

I think is affordable.

Paige: 1:19:16

I don't know if that's like normal, but I don't think so. I think that's a normal, I think it's affordable. So, yes, so she has been literally amazing. She's honestly become like a friend like I. At the beginning it definitely was like a trainer trainee relationship. Now that, like I she knows I'm very committed to this like it's become more of like a friend type vibe, whereas it it's still like she.

Paige: 1:19:44

She gives me the advice that she needs to give but like, at the same time, is very like not yelling at me, like she's like she'll tell me she's like I'm so proud of you, you're doing great. Like most of our check-ins are amazing, we're a great check-in this week. Like, yeah, you're good, you're still losing weight. Like we're, we're good. How are you doing with, like, your meals? So it's, and that's been nice too. And like it was just very. I also think it helped that it was a woman getting off the birth control, because, like she understands that, not that dudes don't like not trying to be, not trying to call the men out but that's fair but you know, like and she's experienced it like she did it.

Paige: 1:20:19

So, like I'm like that made me feel a little better too, because, like, I don't know, I think it's important to live through that, especially because every woman's body is different and when you're getting off something that messes with your hormones, it's like what's going to happen? Like you have no idea how that's going to go. So, yeah, she's been awesome, literally first person I talked to, still with her, it's been five months lover. I'm like thank you, girl, like thank you for saving me. Like I didn't even realize how bad I was until I took those first progress pictures and I was like, oh, like, cause I I wouldn't look in the mirror, like I didn't want to know, like I I've never I don't get on the scale or well, I do now, but like I wouldn't get on a scale because I just didn't, it wasn't, I didn't think that mattered to me. Like I was more so worried about my character, like I didn't really care what I looked like, if that made sense, if I was a good person, that's what mattered. Now, not saying that looks are all that matter, but like it does help. When you look better, you feel better, your mentality is better. I think I'm kinder. I also don't take the bs anymore, like I will fully just remove myself or I'll just stay home, like I'm like, I'm good, I'm good. I got my book. I got my dog. My dog doesn't talk back. He's good, good, like you know, like I love him. I'm like you're a great dog, dude. So, yeah, I honestly, she's just very helpful. I texted her.

Paige: 1:21:49

I was at Zach Bryan, like I said, a couple of weeks ago and we were getting tornado warnings left and right, like the entire stadium's phones were like alerting us tornado warnings. Yes, I was freaking out. I literally text her. I I text her a picture of my Dasani water bottle and I said, don't worry, drove four and a half hours for Zach Bryan, ate my meal plan in the car and now I'm drinking my water.

Paige: 1:22:13

Wow, this could be my last day on earth. Like, don't even worry. Like I'm following the meal plans, dog, Like we're good, no alcohol has been consumed over here. No alcohol has been consumed over here. I'm like and everybody's like, you're not going to drink. Like what if we die tonight? I'm like, well, I guess I'm just rolling out. I guess I guess I'm going to be sober Like I don't know. Well then Zach Bryan comes out and he's like yeah, so we just got word. There's a tornado a mile away. We're going to keep this going as long as we can. I was like like I walk a mile, I could walk a mile, oh, god, I'm like that's walking distance.

Paige: 1:22:43

We were good. Clearly I made it, but yeah, I'm like just drinking my water. Don't worry everyone, I love my water.

Jason: 1:22:49

This is all right.

Paige: 1:22:51

This is an amazing conversation, thank you I just want to say thank you for coming on thank you guys for having me so we do when we kind of finish these out.

Jason: 1:23:01

We just kind of what's your biggest takeaway from this conversation? And actually I want to start with rachel, after talking with page what's your biggest takeaway from this one?

Rachel: 1:23:10

you know there's been a lot. Can I say a few? I'll be quick, okay, so I I really I have three.

Rachel: 1:23:19

I one that I really liked, kind of already mentioned, but when you were talking about Andy and just like you've got to get past the gruffness and the easy like being offended, um to get to the content, I just think that's a very profound thing, um to say so, that was a big takeaway. I also really enjoyed listening to you talk about the enjoyment and the achievement that you get from doing hard things, like there's no growth in doing easy things and that again, it's just, it's so simple. But it's also like I don't think everybody gets that, you know, and so to hear you get that from the program, I just think is really awesome. But my biggest takeaway, I think, is how quickly you were able to make a change for yourself with the anxiety. I think that is really remarkable. And when you think about how you did it, it's so basic and just eat right, exercise, read, exercise your mind right. It's all of the simple things and I just think going back to the basics is so powerful for so many people.

Rachel: 1:24:19

And I think you know people are scared of 75 hard and they don't want to dive into it. It's too hard, it's going to push me over the edge. I'm already stressed. How could I, how could I put more on myself? And it's like it's actually going to be like liberating, I think, for many people, and I just wish I hope people listen to this part of your story, because I think majority of our society is just struggling with anxiety and hearing you make such a profound change in less than half a year, which is, I mean, four months. I mean you could change your life so quickly and you, did you did I mean congratulations, thank you, it's huge, it's huge.

Jason: 1:24:54

Yeah, yeah, Paige. I mean I definitely second everything that Rachel just said, because I think your story is remarkable. It is truly remarkable. You're very fun to be around too. Thank you, you know, there's no alcohol here, no, just first form energy.

Paige: 1:25:09

Blue rest.

Jason: 1:25:10

You are very fun to be around.

Paige: 1:25:12

Thank you yeah.

Jason: 1:25:13

And I can't wait to like deepen our relationship even more. But what I would say is I was like thrown back when you said that you are 23 years old. You're 23 years old and I feel like I'm talking to a 30 year old, I mean because your maturity level is so there.

Paige: 1:25:34

Thank you.

Jason: 1:25:34

And mentioned something about Big Pharma. I'm like what?

Rachel: 1:25:37

I know we need to go down that road.

Jason: 1:25:39

There are so many deeper conversations that we could have, and you're the type of person that we love having these types of discussions and so I just want to applaud you there, because you are young, you give us so much confidence that there are great people like you out there Across. That are kind of consuming the right content and not saying I'm a victim, not saying that I can't do this, not giving in to that's too hard for me. It's not in my best interest to do that.

Jason: 1:26:10

No, actually honestly, it is in your best interest to do that hard thing because, you're going to be so much different when you get on the other side of it and you recognize it at a young age. And we didn't know about the program until when we first do it 2020, maybe during covid it was after yeah yeah, 2021.

Jason: 1:26:30

So and we didn't know about the program and I was, when I first heard about it, I was skeptic, I was like I was like I was like you talked to me, I was like dude, I've done hard things before and he's like I don't have time for that. He's like I'm a business owner. I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know bullshit, all right this.

Paige: 1:26:47

This helps you grow actually like. At the end of the day, this is gonna help you more and it makes me.

Jason: 1:26:52

And it makes me, you know I do 75 hard during the busiest time of the year. Yep, because during the spring market I'm a real estate agent. Spring market is insanely busy. The moment january 1 hits, everything is just like everybody calls you because they set a new year's resolution, yep. And then I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm gonna do 75 hard on top of that love it so I'm gonna have the busiest time of you know in work, where it's going to be insanely stressful, and I'm gonna throw this, this program, on top of it.

Jason: 1:27:17

And you know what I did it I love it and I've done it awesome and it's actually made things a hell of a lot easier for me because of doing it at a very inconvenient point in my life. And anyways so that's a really big takeaway from this conversation, but you drove all of that.

Paige: 1:27:37

So I like that's one of the biggest things. I'm like I think I want to do it during, like the holidays. I think I want to do it during the holidays. I think I want to plan it so that it hits Thanksgiving and Christmas and just be like all right, let's see what I can really do, because that's the most challenging. Obviously, everybody has different points in their life, but for me that would be the most challenging time just because family time, parties, whatever I'm like and the weather we live in Chicagoland Probably not going to be great, but I'm like might as well challenge myself hard enough to see can you make it through the holidays, like?

Jason: 1:28:10

you can, you totally can't.

Paige: 1:28:12

I believe it I feel like now that I've done it once, I'm like I got it.

Jason: 1:28:16

I will tell you this the second time you do. It is a lot harder than the first is it? Yeah, it is because you've already had the.

Paige: 1:28:21

Oh, I've done this before well, and I feel like for the first time it's like, oh my gosh, I'm doing it, right, yeah.

Jason: 1:28:26

Yep, and so it's kind of like the sophomore slump type thing.

Paige: 1:28:30

If you've heard of that, yep.

Jason: 1:28:31

You know, maybe you're a standout freshman performing well. Then you go into the sophomore slump and then, like typically, the third time was that was like that was mine, that was my experience, I've done it three times and so I definitely had the sophomore slump. But anyways, going back to your final takeaway from this conversation and what was the biggest thing that you kind of reflected on or learned, so much.

Paige: 1:28:55

You two are awesome, like truly, I would do this a million times. This is so fun, I think again, just supporting or surrounding yourself with very supportive people Like you guys were so supportive in the little Facebook group Like I think that's so important. And just like having these conversations with you guys and seeing how supportive you are, like even though I'm done, and like I'm continuing life, it's like it's awesome to see that Because I've met you in person what? Twice? This is like the third time. Like for real, like if we're being for real all because of a first form shirt, but like in all honesty, like and also just the relationships that you make in life, like that's what I've just taken away from.

Paige: 1:29:43

Like this friendship is like okay, I saw a first form shirt and now I'm sitting on your podcast. Like you guys helped me through 75 hard. Like that's massive for somebody that you don't like. You know me, but you don't know me. Like you haven't been a part of my life, my entire life, you know. Like, so I think that's a really big thing and I think people really need to surround themselves with good people, and not even just when you're doing 75 hard in general, because every time I talk to you guys we would be talking about Andy, or first form or 75 hard or whatever. Like the last time I saw you, I think I saw you what that was new year's right, right before a new year's, the new year's party, and we were talking about 75 hard and you guys were like jump on, start tomorrow, start tomorrow.

Paige: 1:30:26

And I'm like, oh god, I can't start tomorrow, but like we were talking about it and you guys were hyping me up for not even knowing me that well, it was like these are some good people, like and like even now, just like check-ins and stuff like that, like it's, it's huge and like I'm so thankful for that.

Paige: 1:30:42

But to be able to sit down and like, talk to you guys about it and just see, also learn from you guys with children, like where life can go, like I think that's massive and like that you guys have done it with kids, with busy schedules, with owning businesses, like that's probably my biggest takeaway is just the people you surround yourself with. Make sure they're successful. That's probably my biggest takeaway is just the people you surround yourself with. Make sure they're successful. A lot of times I like when they're older than me because they've done more than me. They have more life. Knowledge Also helps me be a little more mature in life, helps me have conversations with people that are more mature than me. But I think all of those are like super massive things and I think having you two around is so huge for my life and just helping others too well, thank you for that.

Jason: 1:31:29

Of course I actually I want to build one. Just I know we gotta end this we're at uh sorry, over 90 minutes chatting, lots no this has been an awesome conversation.

Jason: 1:31:38

I love it, um, but I think what I just what I gathered from that is that we did not know each other very long, yeah, but we have developed a deep connection over one common topic, yeah, which is 75 Hard, andy Frisella, first Form and basically when you follow it's oh boy, this is kind of like. It's almost like a religion a little bit. Is that like A religion? Yeah, I know.

Rachel: 1:32:03

And maybe like I don't want to, yeah I know and I don't want to right right and I don't want to go down.

Paige: 1:32:09

I don't want to go down that I don't want to really label it that way yeah, I don't want to label it that way, but it is.

Jason: 1:32:17

It is a lot. It's a different mentality and it's like when you have people that just get it. Yeah, right it's easy to walk into a room and you start talking to somebody and you just be like you don't get it.

Paige: 1:32:30

Yeah. You know, which makes you mad, right, it kind of does. It makes me angry.

Jason: 1:32:34

It doesn't make you want to continue to engage with that person just because, like, hey, we're just not on the same path, yeah, path, you just don't get it. But you walk in and wearing a shirt and somebody recognizes that shirt Whoa, you get it. You know what I mean? There's just this it's a really good life, fulfillment and dedication towards your work, towards your craft, towards being a really great person for yourself. Because you know what Is that? When people do this program, they impact so many other people in their life. Yes, it's not just for themselves. When you do this program, you've impacted your family in such a positive way because now your family loves you absolutely they fucking love you yeah and your friends.

Jason: 1:33:18

All of a sudden, they idolize you and you're like put up on this pedestal and that just gives you confidence or they don't rubs it rubs off oh yeah, and you're like bye, right, exactly, and those people fade away, and which is okay yeah because you're going a different way, but you find you attract the others that want the same thing that you do, and there's a hell of a lot more of us out there that want the same things.

Jason: 1:33:44

They don't really know how to get it. In my opinion, this is like the blueprint, it's the book to get you towards feeling great about yourself absolutely 100 agree.

Paige: 1:33:55

Yeah, yeah, love 75 hard all right page.

Jason: 1:33:58

If, uh, if somebody wanted to reach out to you to talk about your experience, get a little bit deeper of an understanding. Maybe bring a question or a problem to you. Um, how could they reach out to you to talk about your experience? Get a little bit deeper of an understanding.

Paige: 1:34:05

Maybe bring a question or a problem to you.

Jason: 1:34:06

How could they reach out to you?

Paige: 1:34:07

I'd say Instagram.

Jason: 1:34:08

Yeah.

Paige: 1:34:09

Instagram is probably the best way. That's where I do everything it is. My Instagram is private, but I usually let people follow me. I just try and keep it. You know jobs I was teaching and. I was like I don't need children finding me on Instagram teaching. And I was like I don't need children finding me on Instagram so they could DM you on Instagram.

Jason: 1:34:25

What's your handle?

Paige: 1:34:27

at Paige P-A-I-G-E underscore Henneman H-E-N-N-E-M-A-N you rock thank you everyone.

Jason: 1:34:38

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Paige: 1:34:39

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Rachel: 1:34:47

I will always say it thanks for listening everyone.