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Real Life Investing With Jason & Rachel Wagner
44. Trump Assassination Attempt
Our take on the news.
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life Investing Podcast with Jason and Rachel Wagner. There's a lot of stuff going on in the news lately and I think what we want to do here is have an open dialogue of how to take news information that's happening in real time and maybe steer away from what narratives are being pushed and remove the narrative and critically think for yourself. I think this is like an important kind of potential skill building opportunity that we can discuss and we can do it kind of on the fly here with this whole Trump assassination that just happened over the weekend.
Speaker 2:Attempt.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, right Attempt. Yeah right, right Attempt. They were not successful with assassinating former president Trump. So the funny thing is is that we turned on the TV in which we don't do this.
Speaker 2:No, we don't do this.
Speaker 1:We turned on the TV on Saturday right at the moment that Trump hit the ground and we were watching this and I'm like what in the world is happening? And the headlines were kind of saying things like popping noises and you know, trump falls. And so, as I'm watching this live, I'm not totally concerned, because the headlines that I was seeing were just like Trump falls because of loud noises possible fireworks and.
Speaker 1:Trump gets scurried off stage because of loud noises, literally as as we're watching the replay of this stuff and I'm just like what, what happened and what do you? What do you kind of take of that, where you have a news media that is reporting some of these things and they're using that type of language to describe what's happening like? What's your thought on that?
Speaker 2:me yeah I mean, I think initially like obviously we were watching it live I think initially there was a lot of confusion as far as what was going on. It was unclear what the noises were. It was unclear what's happening with secret service. The crowd was relatively calm in the aftermath of that, so it wasn't like people were running and evacuating, you know. So it was pretty unclear. And then within I don't know, it was probably 15 minutes there was enough information to see that Trump had been hit with something. His ear was bleeding, you know they were replaying videos and images and it was clear that something had hit him. So the reports of it being fireworks, or loud noises, you know, or a gunshot obviously makes the most sense At that point. You know, they probably should have escalated in severity, and so it was annoying to see the other headlines.
Speaker 1:Because it didn't take very long for us to realize that, hey, this wasn't just fireworks or loud noises.
Speaker 1:No this was a gunshot. And as you looked at Trump's face at first when I saw him get back up so he's surrounded by Secret Service and he gets back up to the podium and you see his face and he kind of looks like a very old grandpa. You see his age as he starts to emerge from the pile up there and there's, there's like a shadow. What looked like on his face? And I'm like, was he wearing a microphone? Like you know how, when you go to events and you see speakers and they're wearing microphones, like around their, their ear, that kind of drapes down to their face, I'm like, was he wearing a microphone? I'm like I don't remember seeing that when he was, when he was talking earlier, but it looks like it was a shadow or some type of microphone that was draped across his face. No, as you get closer, it was fucking blood. Yeah, this guy just got shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What was your feeling as you? As you recognized, dude, it wasn't fucking fireworks, this was somebody attempting to shoot him. What was your reaction?
Speaker 2:Oh, it was a lot of things. It was very emotional. I mean, I think seeing something like that play out, watching, you know, an attempt on someone's life like that, is incredibly emotional, and certainly someone so high profile that we follow it was scary. I think there was some anger that came with it too. And then there was like we knew this was coming. You know plenty of people who we listen and follow to have been predicting for a long time assassination attempts on Trump. We have talked about that several times, anticipating this moment to come at some point, and so it was just kind of sitting in that realization. Well, here it is it. It finally happened. And then there was anger of like. They started showing like aerial shots, and it was anger of like well, how did this even happen?
Speaker 2:You know, I remember back in Trump's presidency he giving a speech I don't remember when or where it was, but I remember he's right in the middle of talking and secret service comes on stage and says you need to get off stage right now, and it was like a brief period of time. And then he came back on right. It was like there's a threat, get off stage, come with us now. Period of time, everything's clear, he comes back and he's allowed to speak, right. So in my mind it was like how in the hell did they get to the point of a bullet touching him? You know, it was a lot of things. It was emotional, it was anger, confusion, okay.
Speaker 1:Frustration. Well, you bring up a couple of really great points and I think I want to go into this one. You just said that you were anticipating this type of thing to happen. How is that possible and why do you have that conclusion and why have we 100% have talked about this many times prior to this event happening? You and I have. We've just been connected enough where I mean, I listened to Tucker Carlson a lot and Tucker has brought up a ton of fantastic points. Robert Kennedy has also brought up a ton of fantastic points. Robert Kennedy has also brought up a ton of fantastic points, and Robert Kennedy, obviously, with his family and what has gone on and his uncle and his father both being killed and to be done by the government, the CIA.
Speaker 2:Yeah, more recently that's becoming a lot more of a mainstream thought he's very, very open about this, and there's a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1:This is not a conspiracy theory. There is enough evidence for this to be something that was actually done. And so, as you have been listening to these figures talk about assassination and Tucker came out probably six months ago saying their next best move on Trump here is to assassinate him- yeah, because they've tried everything else. Because they have, and which was what?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you know, they have totally labeled him and made him out to be a racist, a sexist, a homophobe. You know, hitler, all of these things.
Speaker 1:They've tried to bankrupt him. They've tried to get him with lawsuits Put him in jail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean just every possible attack you could have on a person, and we could go through each of those and debunk and discredit them, I think, but you know, it's probably a waste of an argument. Everyone believes what they believe, but, like this, man didn't have any of those attacks prior to running or being president. These things all came about as a part of him being president and then choosing to run again. They have attacked him in every possible way that they can, and so the next possible thing at this point was, well, take him out. If you can't beat him, which they haven't been able to. I guess that's debatable too, but you know everything is looking like trending towards Trump winning this election, and you know what's your next best move? Well, take him out. A lot of people have predicted that, and I think now there's even talk of well, they missed that. If that's what you believe the next skin is going to be, they're going to try to poison him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you think that they're going to continue to try to take him out as we get closer to an election and inauguration and probably is four years in office.
Speaker 2:I think they will continue to try to take him out. Yeah, I do not think there will be any let up. You know, there was like a brief, like what? 18 hours of oh, let's stop the political violence, which is comical coming from the people looking at like the even just the last two weeks, of what they've said about the man. And you know you should put a bullseye on him. He's the biggest threat to America, he's the biggest threat to democracy. You got Maxine Waters saying we got to take him out. Ok, people who are claiming he incited violence, aren't you inciting violence right here? And oh, by the way, now there was just an attempted assassination. So there was a brief moment of like 18 hours where everyone's like let's cool it down, there's no room for political violence. But now they're right back at calling him all the things that they've been saying for the last eight years.
Speaker 1:So it's gonna be another one of those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think there's gonna be any let up at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think so either. You know, I think, just as part of shock and awe stories, there's always a lot of stuff that ends up happening and then you just kind of suddenly start to forget about it and go back to how things were before. I think you're totally right on that. Just, you know interesting things. I want to go a little bit further. Knowing what had happened with RFK, knowing that Reagan there is an assassination I don't know enough on the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan but just knowing that there have been historical assassination attempts and one of them at least, to be very positively considered as a CIA inside job type thing, why do you draw that conclusion on this one here? What is the red flags that we just identified just in the first few days of watching the coverage?
Speaker 2:I love that. You're like asking me these things, so it's just my opinion.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm happy to share it, but I'm also just trying to encourage dialogue here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, it's good. There's a lot of unanswered questions and I think anytime that there's a lack of fact and like just common sense clarity, people are going to start asking questions, people are going to start drawing conclusions, and I think there's so many gaps and negligence and unanswered questions in this particular instance that something went awry. And then it's like okay, the shooter was spotted 30 minutes prior. 30 minutes prior, I mean that's intense. And then you've got.
Speaker 1:So the shooter was spotted 30 minutes prior by people that were there. That notified local law enforcement. Right and local law enforcement has come out and said that they were aware of a shooter or someone holding a person, a suspicious person, 30 minutes prior to the event actually taking place.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then a few minutes prior to the event taking place. There's an officer who climbs up the ladder up onto the roof to confront the shooter. Allegedly, the shooter turned and pointed his rifle at him, so the officer retreated and went back down. A couple bizarro things about that right. Like I don't fault the officer for retreating, I mean certainly have a little bit of a question. I think the bigger question is if you already have an alert that somebody's on the roof, why are going up there by yourself? Where's your backup? Where's the rest of your team? If you are attempting to go up and check out a suspicious person on a roof at a president that you probably presidential candidate like you're probably thinking, gee, this could be a shooter like at least that's what you would think.
Speaker 2:You're thinking, right. So you go check it out and then, in the moment that he retreated, I mean, where's the answer as far as what happened those next couple minutes? Because it seems to me what immediately should have happened is you radio to whoever your person is, they radio to Secret Service, and Secret Service gets Trump down or off stage immediately, as they have previously before We've seen that happen. There's a threat, they remove him until it's all clear. Right, because it could, it could have been nothing, right, you know? And then you still remove him. You have one sole mission to protect him. That's it. Keep him alive, that's your only job.
Speaker 1:Keep him alive? So there's that unanswered question. And this is broad daylight, right?
Speaker 2:This is broad daylight, yeah, on a white roof, and like the only roof in the area and we're talking less than 200 yards away from the president. So why that wasn't even a part of the secret services perimeter is kind of mom-boggling, cause that's what they've said is there's an inner, a middle and an outer perimeter, and the outer perimeter was managed by the police department and outer, and where the shooter was was in the outer perimeter. He wasn't in the inner or middle perimeter of the secret service. But you're talking within a rifle range. Why, why?
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of questions there I mean, apparently they've been asking for more Secret Service attempts. So were they so light that they had to limit their perimeter right? That's a question. I know they've asked the White House for more Secret Service coverage. They've been denied. That. May have changed since the assassination attempt, I don't know. But you know, there's just all these unanswered questions and I think if there were clear answers we'd have them by now.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of, there's a lot of well, and obviously they were able to neutralize him yeah, almost instantly shoot him. Yeah, there's speculation.
Speaker 2:I think it's unconfirmed still, but, like the sniper who actually took out, the shooter had eyes on him the whole time and he was secret service right there, at least I don't know what this came out and said that there actually weren't a lot of secret service agents in there.
Speaker 1:There was a homeland security or like there was some there was some other type of person, yeah, contractors that were in there.
Speaker 1:He wasn't very certain. This is dan bongino and, again, like you know, we just kind of you hear this coverage and you hear these people giving their intel on it, and so the point of this conversation is to question right, we have a lot of different intel coming in. Dan Bongino is saying that we don't, we actually don't believe that there were a lot of secret service agents actually servicing that day. Okay, another weird, which is insane Weird comment secret service agents actually servicing that day.
Speaker 2:Okay, another weird which is insane, Weird comment.
Speaker 1:Weird comment, Right. So the gross negligence is just insanity. I mean, you just think about it. You know I posted about this on social media the other day, where it's just like you're telling me because here's what the FBI is doing. The FBI is taking this under control.
Speaker 1:They are the ones doing a deep dive investigation okay, because they're so good at them and I think right and I think we need to tread extremely cautious as news comes out from them about what they're actually saying and the FBI is saying well, this guy acted alone. I mean just immediately saying this was a lone gunman. You are telling me that a 20-year-old kid came up with this master plan knowing that there was going to be a vacant roof. That was within 200 yards of the former president, one of the most important people in the whole damn world and is going to have a straight line shot, almost a layup a layup of an opportunity to kill him yeah, go completely undetected and, even when detected, like not be viewed as a big enough threat to take out I mean okay, let's, let's just talk about basketball here.
Speaker 2:I mean the crowd saw him walking with a rifle. It's not like it was even concealed. The people in the crowd saw the guy walking with the rifle. People saw him climb up a ladder onto a building and then multiple people and video that we've now seen saw him on the roof and they notified law enforcement, as they should. I mean, my heart goes out to those people. I can't. Can you imagine being at an event doesn't even have to be a Trump event, just any public event and watching somebody walk up with a rifle, who looks as though they're not there to do good, climb up a ladder onto the roof, sit there with aim and you're telling people and they're doing nothing about it.
Speaker 1:Nothing.
Speaker 2:I mean, I can't imagine being those people just watching this play out in real time and be like hello, hello. Nobody's listening to me. Do you see him? What are you doing, like? I can't imagine how those people feel. It's like a worse nightmare.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I mean, we're talking about just the negligence is so far bad, and this is the Secret Service, one of the most protective. You know, this just seems like this is an easy job. Right, it's an easy job for the Secret service to protect within a very manageable range.
Speaker 2:I do not think it's an easy job, but I think of all the places to have to protect someone, that was probably. I think what you're trying to say is that, like the circumstances of which they were in were of the easiest compared to walking down new york city with all of these skyscrapers right like. Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 1:yes, okay, yes, thank you, thank you. Yes, you've helped. Yes, you've definitely circumstantial like right, yeah, you got fields right. Fields right, a very big open space, rooftops, obvious being advantage. Right, yeah, not a lot of rooftops, even nearby and obviously given the advantage point of if you're going to shoot somebody, check those right, it's just, I mean, it's just so obvious yeah, the fact that the police or the secret service weren't on that one rooftop, it's kind of mind-boggling too.
Speaker 2:But you're talking again. Less than 200 yards, right, wasn't like 150, I mean it's a, it's a layup of assassination attempt.
Speaker 1:Okay, the difference between a three-point shot and a layup is that a layup is much, much easier to hit. You know, it's not like he was shooting from a mile away. This is just so darn close, and so that's where you just have to, you know, really question. You're telling me that this was just a mistake.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, and so well, and I think it's because it couldn't possibly have been one mistake. There's too many layers of errors and mistakes that occurred okay, so you know.
Speaker 1:There's some other comments where it's like all right, jason, you think that the evil forces that want to take Trump out, they're going to put all their money into this deranged 20-year-old kid to take the shot of a lifetime? Does that make sense? Or what would you say to something like that? Why don't they just hire a professional shooter? Something like that? Or I don't know right, if you're, if we're really thinking that this is well, do we?
Speaker 2:I mean, what do we know about?
Speaker 1:this. I guess we don't know anything.
Speaker 2:We know nothing about him, yeah he could have been a great shooter I mean clearly it was.
Speaker 1:It was a millimeter away from killing the target.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Without a scope. That was an interesting thing I saw Elon Musk post about. That is that this kid doesn't have a scope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I think in my mind raises a little bit of a question too of this is out there, are you ready for it?
Speaker 1:Raises a little bit of a question was was this kid actually the shooter? With how close he was. I mean, I've never shot an ar-15, you know. I'm sure there's some people that you know are really good at shooting those types of wet again, but to be such so close, you know, we were hearing some other people that were talking about they were snipers and they've they've had a lot of experience, you know. Obviously, practicing shots like this and this is the type of shot at least from what I've heard is that this is something that, if you had the right training, you can make nine out of ten times, and so it was truly an act of god that caused Trump to move his head. If we saw some of those images of like again, just the slightest movement, trump has his head blown off.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think you raised some interesting questions because going into the JFK files you know the magic bullet thing was that the only shooter Right. So I think you ask a plausible, like a good question. Was this really the only shooter In which we don't know, because we didn't see there's no footage that we actually see of the target being neutralized. Okay.
Speaker 2:Which is odd considering the amount of footage there is of him on the roof from just the crowd in general.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think there's a again. There's a skill set here. There's a skill set of just asking questions, critically thinking, not taking anything what is being told to you by official government at face value, Because there is plenty of opportunity here for them to cover this up. If there was malicious intent, right, the guy acted alone. Oh, we made a bunch of mistakes. The building was out of our range, it was actually. You know, the gap in communication should have been on local law enforcement. You know, Secret Service was in charge of this area. Okay, here's another interesting thing. When we've had other big shootings before, the Democrats use that as a huge platform to advocate for gun control. We didn't have hardly any of that.
Speaker 2:Oh, I haven't seen any.
Speaker 1:I think I've seen like a few tweets, but we didn't have live coverage of JB Pritzker going on and talking about. This is our opportunity for gun control, because it seems like such a great thing that they would be doing right. Here is look, we have a president that we don't like, but he just got shot at by a deranged 20-year-old kid. This kid should have never had that gun. We need gun control. How come we don't have that? They have done that so many times with past shootings and now, granted, this wasn't a Granted, this wasn't a mass casualty shooting. One person unfortunately did get shot and killed, which is extremely disheartening, but imagine how many other people could have been killed in this situation. This guy had an AR-15. Don't you think that this is a huge opportunity for all of these other elected officials to continue to beat the same drum that they've always done before on any other big shooting? We need gun control. Where is that? What's your take?
Speaker 2:It doesn't fit the narrative. We could go down a lot of roads on this, but it's the same thing with police and race right. Like there, to my knowledge, is no huge outrage or media following when it is black on black crime or black officer, white civilian or even black officer black civilian. What hits the news is when it's a white officer and a black civilian right, and that's because that fits the narrative. You know, what I did see on social media this time was I'm begging you all to care this much when it's a third grade classroom, right. So they're trying to say oh, you all care when it's a president, but you don't care when it's a third grade classroom, which was insulting and upsetting and I can't even believe somebody put that out there because everyone cares when it's children.
Speaker 2:Nobody is in support of mass shootings. Anybody who's for the Second Amendment isn't like, yeah, go shoot up wherever you want, like that is not the mentality, that is not the mantra. So it was insulting, I think, to see those posts out there and completely ridiculous, and I think if the left was truly about the gun control and the concern that you would be seeing that outrage in that statement. But I don't think they are. I think it's a narrative. I think it's a form for divisiveness. I think dividing people on race, dividing people on guns, dividing people on abortion, dividing people on immigration, on everything that they possibly can, they look for opportunities to make situations hyper-emotional, pull on emotional heartstrings as hard as they can when there's that opportunity, and this wasn't that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you bring up a fantastic point which is all about the narrative. And when breaking news happens, what is the narrative that is being told to me over and, over and over again by these legacy media companies? Okay, and if we haven't gotten to the point of recognizing that legacy media companies, which is cable TV news regular?
Speaker 1:newspaper okay, all of these companies are extremely biased in all of their reporting and they're controlled, and so Elon Musk has done a phenomenal thing in the last year of transforming X formerly Twitter into a platform that you can get real-time news that is being reported by a number of different sources, and I think that is the way you know. As breaking news was happening like that, X was the one where you could get all this information first. X was the one that was giving you a lot of different looks, and X was the one where you could make up your own mind of what was truly happening and not take what was being told to you by cnn, because if you listen to cnn, there was fireworks and trump had to be rushed off the stage or shots fired at trump rally.
Speaker 2:That was my favorite shots fired at trump rally right.
Speaker 1:Shots fired right no, it was an assassination attempt, right, like these companies did not report what was actually being done, and it was obvious. We were able to determine this within a couple minutes of watching. Our first impression was okay, there's something weird happening. Fireworks Okay, he looks like he's okay because of whatever headline I was seeing, but it was still undetermined at that time. But after a few minutes you recognize, like dude, he was fucking shot at. This is an assassination attempt.
Speaker 1:And you have these legacy media companies that are trying to downplay this. Why is that a thing? Why aren't they reporting the news as how they actually see it? Instead, there's been leaked documents that have shown. Downplay the situation until we have the facts. Downplay the situation until we have the facts. Don't jump to conclusions, dude. People need to know what you are seeing and what you're hearing. But instead you're going to use language that's not actually going to describe the situation and downplay it. And so this is just where we're. You know we're just trying to help others bring to light because we've worked on this skill big time is that you can't take what legacy media or even government officials, what they say, at face value. You just have to think critically. Right, is there malicious intent? Why are they saying this narrative?
Speaker 1:Take a step back before you jump to conclusions and ask questions. Is it totally bizarre for somebody to actually think that this could be a setup? No, it's not, because the negligence is so great that it looks like this could be a setup. There needs to be an investigation on if this is actually a setup. And is it the FBI that controls that? I don't know. We just know that when we think about what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop and you had 56 FBI agents say that this was actually Russia misinformation and it wasn't actually real, and there's 56 agents that have signed this thing saying that that's truth, when that was completely fake and they lied. No-transcript Okay. So we just have to remember what has happened historically in the recent history, of why you should always take things with a grain of salt and not take things at face value and then not attack people who want to question the narrative, because I think questioning the narrative is very healthy, and so that's all this. That's just that's what I think this whole thing is about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't blindly trust.
Speaker 1:Don't blindly trust. Okay, so I think there's a lot of heavy stuff here. There's a lot of people saying this, like instantly when Trump was you know, when it was verified, this was an assassination attempt. You saw Elon Musk come out and say I 100% support Donald Trump. Bill Ackman, who apparently has been a big liberal his whole life, has now said he 100% supports Trump. These were two big figures that came out and gave this endorsement instantly after this attempt. I think you did see a lot of big support for Trump after this attempt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I was angry enough.
Speaker 2:That's the same thing when they, you know, made him a convicted felon Huge amounts of support after that conviction came out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was very upset about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what did you do after this happened?
Speaker 1:Well, it was interesting because I want to say this. So, probably the week of July 4th, I have a Trump sign that's outside of our front door. It's a lawn sign, it's one of those blue ones, right, Some of you have seen them and we live in a neighborhood Nobody else has any political affiliation that is sitting outside of their front door. Okay, this is a very bold statement for me to be putting this out there, but I did it on July 4th weekend, literally the exact same time I was putting up all the other red, white and blue American flag stuff and I'm like this is a great opportunity to just kind of dump it in there. Nobody said anything.
Speaker 1:The neighbors all know us relatively by now. We've been here for a year and they all know us and they know that we're good people. And we were out in the pool that day on the Trump assassination day, before all of this happened and the neighbor in the rear said Jason, I just want to say thank you so much for putting that sign out there. You're giving me the courage to put mine out there and I was like whoa wasn't expecting that, but I appreciate that comment and all of a sudden we developed a pretty deep relationship, just with the neighbor in the rear. We look like we always liked them. Now we like them even more because they said something right and that symbol gave them courage to say I feel the same way. I want to stick mine out there, but I'm just too fearful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think this is actually a great topic to go down because I think back to like when I was a kid and even like around the time like Obama was running, like you saw political campaign signs everywhere, everywhere on both sides. Like it was not uncommon to see on the same block, two differing parties of political signs Right same block, two differing parties of political signs right. And over the last two elections I feel like there's still areas that are very clearly Republican and you see everything Trump you know, typically like more rural areas, and then there's still very urban areas that you see all blue or all Biden. You know like there's not a lot of fear there and it probably comes from a place of knowing. I know most of the people around me probably think the same way. I do too. But when you get a little bit more in the middle, it's very interesting because you don't see anything. And when you're in like those extreme areas too, like the more rural areas, you don't see a lot of the blue signs, and when you're in the more urban areas, you don't see a lot of the red signs and there's certainly people on both sides everywhere, right, but we have become so polarized in such a fearful manner now that people aren't feeling comfortable showing their support for their candidate or feeling that they have their right to freedom of speech to share what they're thinking and the way our neighbor was feeling. Now I feel comfortable doing this. I'm still struggling, feeling comfortable having that out on our home out of fear of retaliation, losing relationships or harm to us and our family. Right Like that's scary and I just think it is such a sad place to be for this country and for this nation.
Speaker 2:And you even took it a step further where you wore a Trump shirt out that night and it was very clear that people were so caught off guard of seeing that that they didn't know how to react. It was like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? You had a few people whisper in your ear and come up to you very privately and say, hey, I like your shirt. You know, I can't believe the news. I can't believe what happened today and there were a lot of people who just stared at you, a lot of people who made me feel a little bit uncomfortable. And then, you know, a couple of people kind of joked about it. The jokingness I don't have any problem with. Right Like that's what we should be doing. We should be able to have friendly, funny conversation with one another regarding this stuff. Like that's where we all learn and grow is when we're able to converse and have conversation about it, right.
Speaker 2:But, it's just become so polarized and so divided and I just think it's so sad. I think it is so sad that you put out a sign and, no matter the side that you're on, everybody just automatically has an opinion about who you are as a person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, just to kind of give a few more details. There we had a. It was a birthday party, 40 year old birthday party for a friend of ours, and we went out and celebrated in downtown Arlington Heights that day, right? And so I have this Trump, make America great again never surrender shirt that. It's just been sitting in my closet Boy it's, you know, it's cool, but, like, is there ever an opportunity where I would actually want to wear that out in public? I felt so strongly and I wouldn't just wear that shirt out in public on a weekend type thing, right, I've never actually worn that shirt, but I felt so strongly that day that this was, I said to you. I said this is a big moment. We just had an assassination attempt on a former president. There should be a rally behind this, right, this shouldn't be so weird.
Speaker 1:It's likely that maybe we're not the only ones wearing a Trump shirt that night, as it turns out, there was another girl. We saw her around midnight I guess, and she was wearing a Trump hat, but that was the only one that I remember seeing. People are sitting outside. I mean, there are a lot of tables and a lot of eyes of just people looking. You know people watching, just kind of walking, you know watching whoever is walking down the street or whatever. And it was very noticeable that all of these eyes just started turning towards us. And I said to you and I said they're either looking at me or they're looking at you.
Speaker 1:And you didn't have anything, you were just the attractive woman walking down the street and like usually, okay, you know you'll get the eyes right, but in this case I actually felt that they were all being drawn towards me, they were on you. Now, this wasn't a big, bold red shirt, this was a black shirt, not totally standout-ish, right, but again, it was just. You know, it's just an interesting feeling and here I was thinking, boy, I'm going to get some high fives on this, and it actually wasn't the case right, I got only a few.
Speaker 1:I think there was really only like two or three people.
Speaker 2:Do you think that's a reflection of the area and where people stand politically, or do you think that's a reflection of?
Speaker 1:I think it's a reflection of people don't want to know, I don't. Okay, yeah, maybe I think, uh, yeah, it could be part of that, but I also think that there's that fear that we're talking about. Engaging with somebody that's wearing that shirt means something Right, and even the people that we did have like deeper conversations with, they kind of snuck it in and they said like we agree with your shirt.
Speaker 1:Okay, there was, there was, there was two people that we were having conversations with and and they were talking to us like it was nothing, like you know how we would regularly go, and then they kind of snuck it in and we're like hey, we agree with your shirt, but it was, it was very silent very subtle very silent, okay. So I think that is a thing is People are just afraid. They're afraid of judgment. And how do you break that?
Speaker 2:I think the only way to break that you hang out with Jason and he drags you through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is to be confident enough. Be confident enough in whatever you stand for, whatever your opinions are, and it's not like I'm trying to force it on anyone's throat.
Speaker 2:No, you didn't bring it up or talk about it at all. Literally, I didn't I up or talk about it at all literally, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I mean, I was just wearing a shirt and this was not, oh, you know, me going up. Oh, hey, I'm jason. Did you see the news today? No, none of that happened right and we didn't have any conversations about it. Very, very small, very small amounts. But again, I was just, I was just a little shocked in just the the response, because in my opinion, you know, I think you saw a lot of it's mostly a lot of Republicans that would post something like this. It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is. You should feel. You should feel like you've been attacked because one of your former presidents of the United States just was almost killed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's equivalent to how everyone should have felt after watching the debate with Biden. I mean, I don't support that man's policies or him being president, or anything, but I felt for him as a human At the end of that debate. I'm like this is elder abuse. Why are they forcing him to be doing this? Like? From my perspective, it is elder abuse. He clearly doesn't know what he's doing. He couldn't walk down the stairs on his own, so it's the same thing. I don't you know, sit there and be like, yeah, I'm so glad he fumbled. He's got no clue what's going on. Thank God, this is so great. Like, no, like he's a human, he's a person. You know he's somebody's dad. He's somebody's father. He's somebody's husband, you know it's like good job, jason, you answered every question. I'm so proud of you. Like just totally humiliate you like that publicly. Like my goodness, you know. No, everyone should have felt that for Trump and everyone should have felt that for Biden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Did you have any hesitation talking about this today? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm probably gonna go back and edit some of the things out. I said, like always, oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'm probably gonna go back and edit some of the things out.
Speaker 1:I said, like always, what's, what's the what's the driving force to the hesitation here?
Speaker 2:It's fear. Yeah, I mean this is people don't openly talk about their support on Trump. I don't think everyday average people don't openly talk about it. And certainly like being, you know, conspiracy theorist type thinking people are very quick to dismiss you think you're crazy, think you're loony, you know and I say that knowing that, like I used to think that about people too, you know, same with the vaccine stuff, right?
Speaker 1:Like Right. Both of us have probably been that way right, and so there's a growth that has happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, huge evolution.
Speaker 1:And I call it a skill. There has a skill set that has developed in you that has allowed you to remove those initial judgments Right and really, really consider what's being told, right, yeah, and so I think that's just what we're. That's. Our message here is that there is a growth and there's a skill set that kind of comes with thinking a little bit more critically about some of these situations and removing maybe some of the long-term biases that have been planted in our brains for a long time, whereas, like legacy, media is always going to have the right answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's just understanding how the world works. Legacy media is, you know, built off of their ratings, right? The the higher their ratings, the more sponsorship money they're going to get. And who's sponsoring legacy media? Pfizer, pfizer, right, like and same with, like some of these like organizations. It's like you follow the money and you follow the fear, right, and I think you find a lot of answers in finding those following those two things. Yeah, things, things all of a sudden make a lot more sense yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Anything else, what's your? What's the big takeaway here? Where do you think we go from here? Like with the election, what's I mean? Just not long ago, joe biden was supposed to drop out and again Legacy Media was demanding. Immediately after that debate, every single Legacy Media company was saying that he needs to drop out. I know.
Speaker 2:Like a flip of a coin. For three years and nothing's wrong with him, and now it's like, oh my gosh, he's got to be gone Now all of a sudden, we had Trump almost assassinated.
Speaker 1:Now that's the conversation, right. And now, okay. Now they basically said all right, joe Biden is going to be the nominee, right? So what in the world? What is that?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:What's going to happen here? What's your prediction? What's my prediction? Oh gosh, I don't think I have anything specific predicted.
Speaker 2:I've got several thoughts, but I think, like most people are saying, the next few months, from now until Election, election Day and then certainly until Inauguration Day, no matter who wins, it's going to be a shit show. I think nothing is off the table. I think possibly more assassination attempts, possibly more mysterious accidents could occur. I think, you know, certainly, foreign relations are at an all-time highest tension that we've seen in our lifetime. I think it's going to be a very rough few months. I really do. I think there's going to just. I think it's purposeful Again, like going down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 2:I think, as it looks right now, today, I think that Trump would probably win a free and open, fair election. So do I think that they're just going to let him win in a free and open, fair election? No, I don't. I think we're going to create mass amounts of chaos now, whether that be through more assassination attempts or mysterious accidents, or through another you know illness. There's been talk about bird flu. There's been talk about another strain of COVID. You know that type of stuff, or is it going to be you war type moves, grid attacks from Russia or China, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think it's all on the table. I really do. I think they need to create mass chaos. So it's a distraction from election and a prevention of a free and open, fair election, right, because I think a free and open, fair election secures a win for Trump, and I think there is such a powerful force behind preventing that from happening, as we've seen previously, and the force that they have taken to try and prevent him from even being the nominee. I think nothing is off the table. So I don't know. I certainly hope that's not the case, right? Like I'm not trying to be a crazy pessimist, I just think what, what we have seen in the last four years. I think I think anything's possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So I think I think you have great. You have great points. Basically, what's going to happen here is that there's going to be a lot more breaking news. That happens, okay. We certainly don't want you to go about in your day-to-day life being like, oh shit, I need to prepare for the end of the world coming. Look, that's just going to have fear control you, and you never want to be controlled by fear.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and you've got to remember that each event that may or may not occur right is going to be designed and communicated in a way that is going to try to bring fear out of you.
Speaker 1:So you've got to just remember that they're trying to make you scared. Yes and that could be coming.
Speaker 2:That could be.
Speaker 1:And so, again, what we're trying to do here is develop the skill of fear might be coming. We need to continue to work, we need to raise our family, we need to continue to make the family decisions and have fun and do things on the weekend and live our life. But just know, look, there's going to be breaking news that happens and it's going to be designed to make you scared. Look, there's going to be breaking news that happens and it's going to be designed to make you scared. And how do you peel back that narrative to realize, hey, is this fabricated? Ask the questions. Right, maybe it's not a realization, but it's just asking the questions. Is there something that's fabricated here that makes me want to believe something that actually isn't true? And when you do that, there's a sense of comfort. That happens, oh yeah, and I think, do that?
Speaker 2:there's a sense of comfort that happens, oh yeah. And I think with that too, like just recognizing you're probably not ever going to actually know the truth or know the true answers, but when you ask those questions it certainly like diffuses the heat around, whatever the mainstream narrative is.
Speaker 1:Actually there's a lot of unknowns here and actually there's a lot of possibility of other answers here, and maybe they're worse, maybe they're better, but but just I don't know the shock and awe diffuse, diffuse the shock and awe, and the way that you do that is by asking the questions and to just take things with a grain of salt, and I think that is how you internally accept these things that are going to be coming our way and we continue to push forward. Nice, nice wrap up. Okay. Well, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1:This was another deep one. Thank you, rachel, for your comments and your thoughts. If you liked the show, please share it and we will catch you on the next episode. We had just finished kind of recording the Trump assassination, but there's just kind of like new news that is coming out by the minute, and as soon as we finished yesterday's, we wanted to add another little segment here, because there's some newer things that have just been surfaced, and one of the biggest ones being that the Secret Service is saying that they didn't have anyone up on that roof because the roof was sloped, so the roof that the shooter was on was too sloped, and so that there is a safety concern that they considered.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's coming from the head of the Secret Service.
Speaker 1:And so the head of the Secret Service. What was she before?
Speaker 2:I believe she was head of security for Pepsi.
Speaker 1:And she's not resigning. They're actually telling her to resign. Everybody should be telling her to resign, but she's standing her ground and saying well, this wasn't really our fault. You know, law enforcement had that perimeter and I'm not resigning. There's no way I'm stepping down. How can you possibly think that way? Don't you think that you have a huge accountability reflection in this point?
Speaker 2:Yeah, can we read her actual quote?
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I just think it's so outlandish. So this is US Secret Service Director Kimberly Sheetal maybe, but she says that building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point, and so you know there's a safety factor that would be considered there, that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof, and so you know the decision was made to secure the building from the inside secure the building from the inside.
Speaker 1:And so what was the inside? So there were officers on the inside of that building and the shooter got on the roof with a ladder from the outside of the building.
Speaker 2:And the ladder that this guy may have brought to that building was this huge fiberglass ladder or I'm I'm sorry I'm still on this comment and how outlandish it is and how insulting it is to the snipers themselves. Okay, these people train and have set up camp in all across the world in various conditions and to say that like I mean, what grade slant was that? It was like like hardly anything, it was just obnoxious.
Speaker 2:And where the snipers actually were, they were even on a more sloped roof than what this one was. So it's just a total, complete BS comment. But if I'm a sniper who's trained in some of the craziest conditions and have mass capabilities to fight in wars, I'm insulted right now Like are you kidding me? And then if I'm a foreign nation who's unfriendly to the US, I'm sitting here going. Wow. So the US is worried about safety concerns on small two-story buildings with slight slanted roofs?
Speaker 1:Huh, yeah, so if you want, to take.
Speaker 2:This is the head of the Secret Service saying this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you want to take, out a president just try to coordinate the attack so that you've got a slight pitch of a roof nearby and we know that nobody's going to be up there because it's a huge safety concern. Like, are you out of your mind?
Speaker 2:I just can't believe that came out of her mouth.
Speaker 1:How soft are you, how soft are you? And you should resign, because that mentality is not even right. It's not even close to being right.
Speaker 2:I think it's scary If that's the point that we're at for the head of the Secret Service to be concerned of a slightly slanted roof that's like two stories high, that a kid got up on a ladder. We've got bigger problems, massive problems. It's just crazy. But yeah, back to the inside of the building.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we just wanted to comment on that, because I think that was a huge piece that just kind of plays into this whole thing. What really went on? What really went on on that day, was it actually that kid that fired the shot? We don't know that. I don't know if there's any proof that actually shows that he shot him.
Speaker 2:He shot at him well, it is interesting because there's a ton of footage of this guy you know up on the roof, but we haven't seen clear footage of his gun going off. At least I haven't seen that. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2:no, I haven't yeah I haven't seen it, which is kind of bizarre, especially given the amount of people in the crowd and yeah, I mean I think we said that yesterday too like are we even confident that it was this kid? Because you know the whole magic bullet thing with jfk? I mean, there's just so many potential unanswered questions, so many rabbit holes you could really go down and it's because they lack giving clear statements or anything that even provides common sense.
Speaker 2:That statement from the head of the secret service is not common sense no, that's not common sense and that's a reflection of what they think of the average american. They assume that the average american is an idiot. Like if you are going to tell the public and people that like, you must think that we're too dumb to think for ourselves and realize that the roof that the sniper was actually on was more slanted than the one you're saying was unsafe. Right, like it's a clear reflection of what they think about us.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So when you make statements like that, we think that you're hiding something and it's very justifiable to be asking every single kind of question that you could come up with right now because of the responses that they are providing, because of the negligence that is so great that a fifth grader could have done a better job in explaining the protection strategy than what the head of the Secret Service is doing. Oh, what was the other thing?
Speaker 2:They came out and said that Iran is plotting to to kill trump it was plotting to kill him, right yeah so it was like this moment of like are they going to blame iran for this, which was a weird, interesting twist right, so so could you?
Speaker 1:could you come to a conclusion of uh, here's how we could cover this up. Oh no, it was iran who put this whole plot into place, or is that too crazy? I don't know. It's just like why is that?
Speaker 2:It's all crazy right now. I mean right, like they also said, this kid had all these explosives like in his apartment and stuff, but the kid has no social media. He's never searched for anything on his computer Like it's so bizarre. There's no information about this kid. It's just weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, information about this kid. It's just weird. Yeah, I think it's very weird. I think that's all we wanted to add. I think this would be a interesting little episode to kind of keep up with the current events. We will get this included with the show.