Real Life Investing With Jason & Rachel Wagner

53. Kamala Harris Vs Fox News, Trump’s Treatment of Women, and What Will Win The Election

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Catch our take on the Kamala Harris vs Fox News interview and what it says about the state of the media.  Going further, we discuss the important voting topics that the left and right are debating, while also diving into Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS).  Rachel gives us her opinion on Trump's treatment of women, and finally we talk about the key pieces that will win the election.

Jason Wagner:

Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life Investing Podcast with Jason and Rachel Wagner. Today we're talking about the Kamala Harris interview with Brett Baier on Fox News. That just went on last night. So Rachel just watched it Literally you just finished it a couple minutes ago and tell me your thought. I know you don't like that. I ask you the question first, but if I'm going to start the show, I get control of what the question goes. So, Rach, what was your overall thought of that interview with Brett Baer and Kamala Harris?

Rachel Wagner:

My overall thought is a couple takeaways. One I thought Brett Baer was a little bit more aggressive than I was expecting him to be. He's always been, I think. Very. I've always viewed him as very polite and calm and just a good very respectable.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, yes, like just you just think of a very respectable gentleman, and it's Brett Baer.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, and so I was a little surprised with how aggressive he was in questioning her, but as we were just discussing, he was very, very pressed for time. Aggressive he was in questioning her but as we were just discussing, he was very, very pressed for time. And he was pressed for time because she arrived late and then was also. He was also informed that they had previously agreed to a set amount of time and she moved it five to ten minutes shorter, so arrived late and then also said we're only going to talk for five to ten minutes shorter than initially planned.

Jason Wagner:

So I think that explains a little bit. Yeah, you actually brought that to my attention because I didn't recognize that and I also, as a viewer, I watched it last night without you and I was like, boy, this is not the Brett that I normally see. Brett is not usually interrupting people. He allows them to speak.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, there's a lot of people on Fox who are very aggressive, but he's not one of them.

Jason Wagner:

Now that you bring this up, that she was late and they weren't going to have the designated time that they had allowed or that they originally planned for. Now that just rushes somebody. And what's interesting is that as you watch her responses, a lot of them are like filibuster type responses, where it's like we're not going to answer the question, we're going to divert it to something else and kind of like work your way around it and just kind of fluff. Right, there's a lot of fluff response.

Rachel Wagner:

So the other thing I was going to say as a takeaway is it's a little bit of a nugget to her. She's come a long way from where she was four years ago, five years ago, when she was campaigning in the Democratic primary. I remember listening to her speak way back then. I mean she was just like the lowest bottom of the barrel. You know, didn't even make it to Iowa's primary because she was so unliked. And then thinking about how she was speaking as vice president over the last three and a half years and then at the very beginning of her campaign, this interview she's much more polished, much more able to at least say something that you can like that's coherent, you can like understand where she's going. It's definitely Philip Buffs. She's not answering questions directly. She didn't really give any answer to any of the questions. But I will give her a little bit of a nugget and saying, okay, she's now presenting herself a little bit more polished, but that's the only nugget she's going to get.

Jason Wagner:

Well, I think you have to. You're only 20 days away from this election.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, actually I think it's kind of impressive Because literally, when she first started running.

Jason Wagner:

What a joke. She's gone from zero to 100 really quickly.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, what a joke. But that's because she's been working with Hollywood.

Jason Wagner:

What's the joke? Why did you say that?

Rachel Wagner:

No, I was saying back when she was initially running. She was such a joke. Oh, okay, she's been a joke, the entire vice presidency, okay, which is why she's been hiding. I mean they would never let her go on TV. It was like who's worse, joe or kamala. I mean just total disaster. But right.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, yeah, you're funny. No, but what? What were the? The other big takeover? I mean now that I've again, I did not know, because I watched it through social media, I watched it through x. I did not know that they were late by 30 minutes and that clearly was a problem. Yeah, hold on.

Jason Wagner:

All right, I'm sorry, we just had to interrupt there because someone came to our front door and didn't ring the doorbell but just put a little packet here that says vote red, which is shocking. And I went and answered the door and I caught her as she was walking away and she's like oh hi, I'm sorry, I was just putting this pamphlet on your door. We're the Illinois Republicans and, you know, wanted to give you some information about. This is Maria McCarthy, who's running for judge, and what she said to me. She's like you look friendly. So I gave you the packet and I'm like how would you have guessed, as I have a Trump flag that's flying outside of my house. So, anyways, that was actually a nice little delight to to kind of get some of that information on and we can learn a little bit more about some of our local elections that are going on, with maria mccarthy for judge.

Jason Wagner:

Anyways, going back to this interview, I think that whole time piece is like really important for the viewer to understand, because I looked at the media as being like this is a classic, like this is why we don't like the media is because they don't allow you to answer the questions. They are interrupting you and they're asking really tough, difficult questions and could they be like pigeonholing them into a response, like a more of an I gotcha moment. And that's the way I honestly looked at it from the fox news perspective, because this is what cnn or msnbc or the abc, this is what they do to trump, and I'm like you guys are doing the exact same thing to kamala, and that's my original impression yeah, well, she deflected all of them right.

Jason Wagner:

But now I don't have that impression because you just let me know that she showed up 30 minutes late. They were supposed to be scheduled for an hour and then she says oh, actually we're going to cut it short by 10 minutes, so you really only have 20 to 25 minutes with me. Like what in the world. So all of a sudden, now I don't have such a hard time with the way Brett Baier acted during that interview because now I understand the situation and I think this is a really critical point for most people and I'm a victim of this too. But we see a clip, instant judgment, instant. And it's either one way or the other.

Jason Wagner:

And I've had people send me emotional responses before A picture of Trump giving the thumbs up at the cemetery, somebody saying this guy is completely horrible, shouldn't be thumbs upping with other people at a cemetery. Well, were you there? Do you know the situation? Because if you knew the situation, you may not be responding in the way that the emotional pull is of that clip or of that one photo. And I'll be honest again, when I was watching it last night I was like why is Brett being the way he is? Well, now I understand Because I know the situation and so I think that's really critical.

Rachel Wagner:

Okay, all right. So more content now. Yeah, all right. Well, right out of the gate she was asked you know how many people have been released into the country? What's the number, what's the number? And she wouldn't answer that question, she just deflected, which I think is a little annoying, because she obviously has that information. She's in the white house right now.

Jason Wagner:

And then do you know what that, what that number is? Is it like nine, is it like 9 million?

Rachel Wagner:

I think he said six, but the estimates go up to 11 million. I mean, the reality is, I'm sure don't have an exact number, they only have an estimate.

Jason Wagner:

But yeah, I've heard between six and eleven right and and so when she doesn't acknowledge that that was a problem, I mean. So she acknowledges and says you know what? Our border is not perfect well here.

Rachel Wagner:

Here was my frustration with that, with what ended up being. Her answer is she's like okay, first, nine months I think is what she said that her and joe were in office, they brought a bill to Congress that they wanted to pass, and she's like it didn't pass. And he's like, well, six Democrats didn't vote for it and the Republicans didn't vote for it either. But what he was trying to say is the very first thing.

Jason Wagner:

You guys did, so. The bill wasn't good to begin with if you didn't have your Democrats voting for it, in which they controlled the House. Yeah, yeah right, they control the house. And so if you don't have all of your democrats, supporting it.

Rachel Wagner:

Clearly there's something wrong with it, right? Well, I think his point was you guys reversed all of the trump policy immigration policies when you got into the office, and then you introduced this bill to correct the problem you just created. So that was that was my annoyance, is it was like you guys created this problem now? Now you're trying to blame Republicans for not voting in the two bills you have brought, because they brought another one recently and they're trying to blame Republicans for not approving that. And it's like which. Maybe that did end up getting approved. I don't even know. I don't think it did. But the point is, the problem, to this extent, didn't exist under Trump's administration. It started because of the policy revisions that you guys did, and then you try to solve it with it, with another solution, right? So you create a problem and then you're trying to say, well, I'm trying to solve it, I'm trying to solve it, blah, blah, blah. Why'd you create it? That that's the question.

Jason Wagner:

That's my question right, because they reverse ownership for creating the problem they reversed trump's policy because they thought it was racist. Yeah, right, and that was the catch and release or remain in mexico policy, which was if we caught them, we could detain them, but instead they changed it to if we caught them catch release.

Rachel Wagner:

We release them into the country yeah, and took it even a step further, and with the promise that they're supposed to show up for a court date yeah, like seven years later right and, in the meantime, free health care, free housing, potentially free college.

Jason Wagner:

At one point she was on and so that's the thing is that I was talking with you earlier when we were out for a walk and we were talking about this. Why doesn't she just admit that that was a? That was a mistake.

Rachel Wagner:

I actually think that she would gain a lot of republican voters yeah, I mean this, mean this is a problem among all politicians though I will say it's not just her. But politicians never want to admit they're wrong. They just like to spin it into their new future solution. And I think so many politicians would do better by just acknowledging their mistake. But the reason they don't do that is because the media will only play their admission of their mistake 500 million times. So that's all people remember, Right?

Jason Wagner:

Right, but I said this about Trump too, when it came to the vaccine stuff is.

Rachel Wagner:

I needed him to admit the wrongdoing Right and he he didn't. But what he did do is bring on RFK and Casey and Kelly beans and right, because now that's the new way forward.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, right, so it's a politician way, right. Yeah, politicians don't admit it's. You don't admit fault, yeah, although when we talk about columbus day that just happened kamala comes out and says well, the fault is three. Over 300 years ago was we stole all these lands and I feel terrible about that. Okay, why does she admit fault for the European settlers on that perspective, but she can't admit fault on? Yeah, shit, we should not have changed that policy. Well, in a politician way, right?

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, and to create shame for white people.

Jason Wagner:

Well, yeah, and right to divide race yeah. And to create shame for white people oh, yeah, yeah. And right to divide race card yeah, yeah. So in my opinion, I think that she would make a huge stride forward is if she just said look, we overturned the Trump executive order. We didn't think that it was fair, it has created a problem. We regret doing that and you know what we're going to take executive action as soon as you elect me, or before you elect me, to change that policy. The border discussion would be over. It would be over. She has absorbed Trump's policies on no tax, on tips, because it's a great idea.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, it's kind of funny. It's a great idea, All right.

Jason Wagner:

Well, now Trump can't talk about that Shit. She's doing that. Well, she stole my idea, but it works. She could say the same thing. I am going to admit that we screwed up on the border and I'm going to put in executive order action and go back to what Trump originally had. We're eliminating the policy discussion. Remember how we were just talking? Is that the reason that we have a lot of people who can't vote for Trump is because they're emotional about him?

Rachel Wagner:

Oh yeah.

Jason Wagner:

But when you talk to them about the policy, they agree that the policies on the Republican side make more sense, and we have a lot of people that are recognizing that used to be Democrats. Hey, I actually align with a lot of the Republican policies, but I still can't vote for Trump because of the emotional response, because I hate him. He's a terrible guy. Well, what if you eliminated now that policy discussion? Hey, I'm going to align with everything that Donald Trump is going to do? You would win. You would win a landslide, because nobody can vote for Trump based off of his personality. We're voting for Kamala based off of her personality, not her policies. But if she were to absorb the Republican policies, she would win. Is that too far? A little Too simplistic?

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, I think it's a little too simplistic. I get what you're saying, though. I think in most policy instances that is probably true, with the exception of abortion and women's rights.

Jason Wagner:

Well, right, with the main exception. But the biggest problems, the biggest thing that people care about for Trump is that it's the economy and it is immigration, because immigration has caused a lot of crime issues.

Jason Wagner:

The crime was already starting because of the George Floyd stuff and defunding other police and like all of that whole culture change that has occurred and so people care about their safety. The immigration stuff is high on that list because it impacts their safety and people care about their wallets. And so if Kamala is able to say I'm going to do, I mean she has some housing policies where she says, hey, I'm going to build 3 million homes, that's certainly going to help with the supply. It's probably more like four million, but if she can actually build three million homes in the next four years, like she says she's going to, that will totally help the housing market. Like she actually has a few policies that on the economy could potentially help. I'm not going to say they're not bad ideas what's the plan to actually build those houses?

Rachel Wagner:

just saying like, just saying you're going to do.

Jason Wagner:

That're not bad ideas. What's the plan to actually build those houses?

Rachel Wagner:

just saying like just saying you're going to do that, does it mean crap?

Jason Wagner:

right, exactly. Well, and to your point is I don't believe that she has the execution ability.

Rachel Wagner:

She does not. Government does not currently have.

Jason Wagner:

The government is very clear, but again, we're talking about winning an election. Yeah, right, right, yeah, I don't. And and this is why I'm voting for trump even if she were to say all these things like, hey, I align with all the with all the republicans. No, I don't, and this is why I'm voting for Trump even if she were to say all these things like, hey, I align with all the Republicans. No, I don't actually believe you, because we've seen that the government does not have the ability and you've seen it is that you guys were supposed to build this whole network of supercharters for electric vehicles and you built two.

Rachel Wagner:

You were also supposed to forgive all student loans, right? They also didn't do that, right.

Jason Wagner:

So you've promised a lot of things. Your execution is awful is awful. But again, my point here is that if she wants to win in the next 20 days, start absorbing Trump's policies and you will gain a ton of voters.

Rachel Wagner:

Yes, let's talk about. Where do you, where do you think? This where do you think we're at? We're 19 days out now from the election.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, yikes, I think tensions are high for a lot of people. Well, yeah, it totally is. It is for people that are ingrained in it right and people that pay attention to it, because the stakes are high. The stakes are so incredibly high. I believe that if the left wins, it is going to be extremely tough to change anything that has been happening that we don't like over the last four years. It's going to accumulate and get worse. I think Elon Musk has a very, very valid point is that if we give amnesty to all these illegals that just came in and migrated towards the swing states, those states are likely going to become a permanent blue. Now, all of a sudden, there's no more swing states. Okay.

Rachel Wagner:

Simplistic. Now, all of a sudden, we're a single party system.

Jason Wagner:

Right, simplistic forecasting here, but that's a real reality, and so do I believe that this is the most important election of our lifetime, absolutely, because if the left wins, I think the left will always win. If the right wins, we have a chance to go back to balance, and so I think it's going to be extremely deflating with the Democrats win, right, but a viewer who's voting Democrat now is going to be like what do you mean? It's going to be awesome, right, but I think, when you think about America as a whole, it is just going to be democratic for the, for the foreseeable future.

Rachel Wagner:

So you've been having a lot of conversations with people lately because you've been very outspoken on social media about things, and there's people who do interact with you on this topic, and there's a lot of people who you've had conversations with recently who are not voting for Donald Trump, and I just want to ask you I think I know the answer, but I'm curious what your perspective is is how many of these people, when they tell you that they're voting for Kamala Harris, are doing so based on her policy, and how many people are doing so because they hate Donald Trump?

Jason Wagner:

Zero Zero are doing it based off of their policy. I mean maybe the abortion stance, right? Yeah, I mean maybe the abortion.

Rachel Wagner:

Stance right, yeah, I mean I haven't even really heard you talk about that Much as people talk to you. But what I, it's thrown into the.

Jason Wagner:

It's thrown into the mix.

Rachel Wagner:

It's mostly I hate Donald Trump, it's not the number one.

Jason Wagner:

It's not the number one Reason. It is I can't stand Donald Trump. That why? Why are you voting for Kamala Harris? I can't stand Donald Trump. He's a horrible person.

Jason Wagner:

Okay, that's literally the first thing out of their mouth yeah and then if there's a reproductive right topic, it gets, it does get thrown into. That could be second, but the number one leading cause is that I do not care for donald trump. So what do we call that trump derangeangement syndrome? Right, it's just. You have an emotional response towards how he is perceived to treat women. Now, you're a woman and you're going to be voting for Donald Trump. I've talked to plenty of women. I see plenty of women at his rallies. There are tons and tons of women that are voting for Donald Trump, and I don't understand the argument where I don't like the way that he treats women. Well then, why are all these other people? Why are all these other women looking past any of that miss woman over here? Why are you? Why are you looking past the way that he treats women, or what is the way that he treats women in your view?

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, I don't believe that he is mistreating women. I think there have been several women who work with him currently, who work with him more recently, especially within his private-owned companies, that have praised him for how he's treated women in the workplace, how he's elevated women up to high positions, how fair he is. That's not just true for women, that's also true for minorities and, from what I can see, my perspective of what has happened is they did a lot of digging in his past to try and find clips or instances where he was. Try and find clips or instances where he was very distasteful and something that he said. You know, I think the most common thing I hear is the whole grab it by the pussies thing. I mean, yeah, what an awful, terrible thing to say, right, but my takeaway on that is one he didn't know he was being recorded. That doesn't dismiss the comment by any means whatsoever, but let's also put into perspective, like if you had a camera on you at all times, how many distasteful things have you said, right?

Jason Wagner:

So I, you could say, we could say the same thing about you.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, of course that's my point. That's my point. Right Is like any person in the world.

Jason Wagner:

It's not just me, it's like any person in the world. It's not just me, it's anybody.

Rachel Wagner:

I wasn't saying you, I was just saying, like, in general, any person, any person who has a camera on them at any time, like if you get caught saying something off the cuff, or taken out of context, because I think some of the race things and xenophobic things that they try to say about him have also very much been taken out of context. But with that particular comment one, it was like 20 years ago or however many years ago. It was a long time ago before he was ever in the political race. He was younger. He's always been a ladies man. I mean literally like his entire career in public. Everybody's known this about him. He's been married three times. He's got kids from three different moms, like it's not a surprise that he likes women, and in sexually ways, right, like.

Rachel Wagner:

So it's not that I like that comment. It's not that I like that comment. It's not that I condone that comment. It's not that I think that comment is okay. It's that I don't think that one comment defines him as a person or defines him as a politician or a leader of this country. Had he said that while running or had he said that while in office, that's a much bigger problem, right. But he said this way the fuck long ago. Right again, I'm not condoning it. I'm sure I'm gonna get attacked by so many women for saying this, but like I have heard some pretty crude things out of male voices, male males, right men that I know, I've heard some pretty crude things about women and about people and I don't think that those things that they say define them as who they are. So there's that comment. Obviously there's more recent ones and what I would say about that.

Jason Wagner:

What? What's a more recent one?

Rachel Wagner:

He said something about Rosie O'Donnell. What do you call her?

Jason Wagner:

Probably fat.

Rachel Wagner:

Like a fat pig or something.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, very crude, awful thing to say, right, but was that in response and defense to something that she had said or done about him? Doesn't make it OK. But I guess my whole thing is is like everybody loved Donald Trump until he ran for president. All of these people Hillary Clinton, oprah, rosie O'Donnell, all of these freaking people loved him, they adored him. They didn't have any problem with the things that he said, right, they had no issue with him being a ladies man prior to him running for office and the second that he ran for office, all of a sudden, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack. And he has become very defensive and very mean. Back to these people, and I guess my perspective is I would be too. I would be defensive too. Right, they've attacked his family, they've attacked his children, they've attacked him, they've attacked his companies, his career. He just said the other day he's been investigated more times than Al Capone.

Jason Wagner:

I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is, wow, right, and it probably is, given how many investigations they have done and they haven't found anything, right yeah, all the phony, the phony investigations, right yeah, and obviously, like I'm I'm missing, like that's why he has so much traction.

Rachel Wagner:

Assault like wasn't there like an assault case against him and an alleged rape and things like that, and I don't know the facts of that well, yeah, he's a criminal in some sort.

Jason Wagner:

Right, there is some ruling that he is being criminalized, right, like he has a civil like he's.

Rachel Wagner:

He's got a felony, he was found not guilty, but then he's like yeah, yeah or misdemeanor, I don't really know the details.

Jason Wagner:

Okay, yeah, and so our critics here are going to say well, you don't even know the. You know the lawsuits against him because he's had so many and so many have failed. This is literally what has happened to this man is that it is a throw shit against a wall. And see what sticks to that comment. I've been investigated more than al capone and he's still likely to be our next president with a felony charge. It tells you that the american people don to his point of stature and how the system is trying to pull him down and find a small little bookkeeping error in a massive company. Right, it's just. These are the. These are the crazy things that we spend so much time discussing, that the left spends so much time discussing, and those things don't impact the everyday person. The things that impact the everyday person is Trump's stances on the border.

Rachel Wagner:

Right, and that's the point I was trying to get at. I think I went too much at the weeds on the details. But, like you know, well you're right Because the people that that want to don't want. Well, you're right.

Jason Wagner:

Right because because the people that that want to don't want to vote for trump is because he's a felon right, they've classified him as a felon. For what reason? You ask anyone on the street what's trump a felon for?

Rachel Wagner:

nobody, freaking knows, nobody knows yeah it was it was yeah, and that's, and that's supporting tax documents because we've all recognized dude there's been. It's kind of like it was bookkeeping in a business, the things that were previously misdemeanors, not felonies.

Jason Wagner:

They were elevated right, yeah, right and it's kind of like when you talk to somebody and all they do is travel and you ask them, oh, like you know how many vacations have you been on? Or like somebody asks you about them and you're like, yeah, they're like always going on like all these vacations, like I don't even know where they went, because they've been to so many places. Right, you know how many times we come across this. I don't even know what trump has been like gone after for, because there's been so many that nothing has actually stuck and they're all old, right, they're all so old they're all so old.

Rachel Wagner:

This is not something that he did last year no right, and and so it was dating back to like the stormy daniels thing.

Jason Wagner:

Right, right yeah and so this is the thing it's like, you know, the the tds, the trump derangement syndrome. It comes from these emotional narratives that has been pushed by media, that has been pushed by the lawfare, by the Justice Department, to go after him, to actually and frame him for the documents down in Mar-a-Lago. Remember the phony picture where they said, oh, we found these top secret documents. Like no, they actually placed the top secret flag in front of documents and it got leaked to social media. That was a setup.

Rachel Wagner:

Well, and it's not a fair playing field. So I mean, they're literally going after Trump for every single little thing and digging up every single little comment and stuff in the history. But look at all these other people who've been in office. I mean freaking, bill Clinton was doing it with an intern and he lied under oath to Congress, right? Everybody still loved him.

Jason Wagner:

He didn't have sexual relations with that woman. What do you mean? She was sucking your dick underneath the table. Stop it. Well, no, I didn't have sexual relations, because you know what Fallatio, like that is not sexual relations because there's no penetration, like okay, like that is not sexual relations because there's no penetration, like okay, like that is what we were talking about is that what he?

Jason Wagner:

said, well, that, no, I think that's what it is. Is that that's what it came down to for him? Is that that's the reason that he could? He could tell the american people on camera I did not have sexual relations with that woman. That is such an iconic moment because his definition of sexual relations was penetration, not blow jobs yeah, yeah, we're going out in tangents here, but the point is that it's not.

Rachel Wagner:

It's not a fair level playing field, right, and like the last election where they were trying to make trump like this big racist. It's like, look at joe b Biden's history of all the racist things he's said and done and all that was that's okay, that's okay, that doesn't count. Right, like is oh, you're ain't black If you don't vote for me, and how he didn't want to mix black and white kids in schools and things like that was all real footage of him saying this stuff, but we just ignored it. Right, it's not a fair level playing field and that's that's why it's like I don't. I don't hold a lot of credit or merit to that, because I fully believe that the media and anybody that you're going to debate with could paint a negative picture of literally anybody yeah, anybody out there.

Rachel Wagner:

We could make you look racist, homophobic, xenophobic, anything you name it sexist you. You could be painted in a picture of however the other person wants to and in this book that I'm reading it's called the parasitic mind.

Jason Wagner:

He says victimology. I'm a victim because I am literally. If you, if you believe that you're a victim of something you, you can paint to your point. You can paint anybody into that box, you can, yeah, yeah.

Rachel Wagner:

And so they attack him on character because they can't, on policy because policies worked.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, right, and so I think that overall interview I will give Kamala credit. I think that she stuck up to Brett Baier in certain instances where he was trying to interrupt her.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, there was a lot of talking over.

Jason Wagner:

In which, I think, showed a little bit of strength on her end. But the reason Brett Baer was doing that was because she was late and they were waving her to stop the interview because they were over time. At the end of the day, to your point, that was not a fair interview. We actually didn't get a chance for the Republicans to see what she's like.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah, I thought it was funny. At the end she was like oh, I've got a lot more I could say about Donald Trump and I could share it.

Jason Wagner:

Go to my website.

Rachel Wagner:

Why did your people just cut the interview short?

Jason Wagner:

Why aren't you? Yeah, you want to talk more. Well, feel free.

Rachel Wagner:

Go out and campaign like Trump.

Jason Wagner:

Fuck anywhere and everywhere. And that's, and that's the thing about kamala is like she doesn't give enough time and she doesn't do enough interviews for people to get a real sense. Okay, you could, you could watch hours and hours and hours of footage of trump talking, but here's the other side. That the left will say is like I heard trump talk but all I heard was rambling yeah because they?

Jason Wagner:

there's again the trump derangement syndrome, which is anything this guy says is terrible. And I can't even listen to it, right? Because I'm just so emotionally upset that this man is talking that all he's doing is rambling. Talk to me about his policy. Please, if you're going to engage with political conversation, stop talking about how terrible of a man he is and how we're flipping the page because of 10 years of this type of behavior. No, we care about what is he going to do for us?

Rachel Wagner:

well, the whole flipping the page thing, I think is is such a stupid thing to be saying because you're already currently in office like it's such a bad argument to say change is coming when you're an incumbent yeah you can't criticize your opponent for stuff that's currently happening when you're the one in office like and I think that's a lot- well, that's a lot.

Jason Wagner:

That's a logical thing, it's just it was, but that's a lot.

Rachel Wagner:

That's the logical thing.

Jason Wagner:

It's just crazy, but that's the logical response. You can't criticize your opponent for things that you have done and the problems that you have created. Well, you can, because Donald Trump's a bad man.

Rachel Wagner:

All right, and now we're going to do better. We're going to do better. Now We've got a plan.

Jason Wagner:

We think that we'll do better Because the execution probably actually won't happen. But Donald Trump's a bad man, yep, and so that's. We have to get past the emotional sense of this, although I was listening to a Tucker episode yesterday and he was talking to a guest of his and the guest said look, elections are one. The guest said look, elections are one off of emotion. They're one off of emotion 100, 100 and so that is the strategy yes, that that.

Rachel Wagner:

That is why I believe the majority of white educated women vote democratic. I think it is the emotional pull strings on mostly women's rights and abortion, but I think immigration as well, and I think it comes from the separating kids from their families. You know the whole separating migrant children from their families and then the whole line of abortion and women's right to choose. I think it is that, that's what it is every year.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, yeah. So you run on emotion and you win on emotion. Yeah, even if emotion isn't logical. So, at the end of the day, this is going to be a really tight race, in my opinion.

Rachel Wagner:

I will keep talking about it, yeah.

Jason Wagner:

Yeah, this thing, this thing needs to go in one direction in a landslide, and it's either left or right. If it's really close, I think we're going to have a lot of trouble ahead. I think it is going to be really close. My hope is that it's a landslide victory in one direction, whether that's for Kamala or whether it's for Trump, because you know what? I think we can get a lot more closure in landslide victories than we can in something that's close.

Rachel Wagner:

Yeah.

Jason Wagner:

Right, it's just like getting your ass beat on a football field by, you know, a team that beat you by 50 points. You get a lot of closure on that. Yeah, we sucked. You do not get closure when last second field goal yeah right, yeah, all right, cool, thanks for listening. We'll talk more about this and we'll catch you on the next episode.