59. Voting Day & Donald Trump

We voted. For Donald Trump.  Here's why.

Chapters

• 0:30 Voting Day Observations and Interference
• 13:29 Communication Practice and Dialogue Absorption
• 17:27 Social Media Content Strategy

Transcript

Jason Wagner 0:30

Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life Investing Podcast with Jason and Rachel Wagner. We got some excitement today. Why? Because it's voting day.

Rachel Wagner 0:40

It's here. We did it. It's the day before voting day. Oh yeah, it was voting day for us.

Jason Wagner 0:45

It was voting day for us. Yeah, so it is November 4th and we decided that before lunch we were going to go cast our vote in the downtown Arlington Heights Village Hall. And what did we do? How did we arrive, rach?

Rachel Wagner 1:00

You mean how did you arrive we? It was we. You were with me, yeah that's true, we were in the Cybertruck together, which is, you know, not a common car you see on the road just yet. So it's a little bit of a statement.

Jason Wagner 1:13

It's kind of funny because Elon Musk joining Donald Trump, it's like it's a beautiful little connection there, right?

Rachel Wagner 1:21

Yeah, and you wore your Make America Great Again hat and your Trump 2024 T-shirt. But as we were going there we kind of learned that perhaps there were some rules against that. I'm still actually not very clear on what the rules are in Illinois. I don't think Illinois technically has restrictions against it. But ultimately I asked you to take your hat off and put your sweatshirt on. But as we were rolling up we had some music playing Make America Great Again. God bless the USA in the Cybertruck and Jason's just throwing out thumbs up to everybody in line because there was a line around the block.

Jason Wagner 1:57

Yeah, so we were at the stoplight turning to go into the parking lot and waiting for it to turn green and you know, at the. Cybertruck. Everybody looks at the Cybertruck right, and so it's a perfect opportunity to be wearing my MAGA hat and giving thumbs up to people that are like whoa, look at the Cybertruck. Whoa, it's a MAGA guy.

Rachel Wagner 2:19

Yeah, you were cracking up the whole time. It was fun, it was enjoyable.

Jason Wagner 2:24

Nothing bad happened. Nobody gave me a middle finger or anything you know.

Rachel Wagner 2:28

Yeah, nothing bad happened.

Jason Wagner 2:29

No, it's great.

Rachel Wagner 2:31

It's wild to me because I remember thinking this when I voted in Chicago for the first time and then, especially when we lived up in Jefferson Park. We voted there twice, I believe local and then national elections. But it's wild to me that people can be standing right outside the voting polling place and handing out campaign material you know still handing out flyers and trying to talk to you about who you're going to vote for as you're entering the place to vote. They can just hand this out to you. And I remember the first time I voted in Illinois I was like, wow, this feels wrong because in Iowa you cannot do that. So the first time I ever voted was in Iowa and that's not allowed at all.

Jason Wagner 3:11

It's very odd. It's very odd, and if you're telling me that I can't wear my Trump shirt inside when I go to you might be able to.

Rachel Wagner 3:18

I don't know. You definitely cannot. In Iowa I confirm that, but in Illinois I don't actually know what the rules are.

Jason Wagner 3:24

I did see a social media video of a guy wearing a MAGA hat, and I don't know what state he was in, but they did ask him to remove it.

Rachel Wagner 3:32

There's like 27 states, I think, that have rules against it. Illinois was not listed in the states that I saw, so that's why I was like, oh, maybe it's not a rule, it's pretty obnoxious.

Jason Wagner 3:40

I mean, the way I look at this is like this is my sports team right now, Like you're not going to knock me if I'm wearing a Bears jersey.

Rachel Wagner 3:58

Yeah, I mean, I personally think personal attire there should be no restriction on it?

Rachel Wagner 4:01

you know, obviously, unless you have things hanging out but, um, like a nut sack or something, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, agreed right, like there's, like you know, normal decency but, like you know, things on your shirt, you know, whatever, but I do have an issue with like. So we went in today and there were people same thing as like voting in Chicago all along they were across the street. So that was a big difference from voting in Chicago. In Chicago they were literally on the property, but today they were across the street where we parked. I mean, how many signs do you think? There were? Like a hundred.

Jason Wagner 4:24

Yeah. Like literally a hundred signs lining the street, like inches away from each other.

Rachel Wagner 4:27

You can't even read them because they're so close. And then our state representative, mary Beth Canty, was there handing out flyers and talking to people, and then her opponent's campaign people were there handing out flyers, among other people, and I just think that's wild. You're going in to vote. You've already likely made your decision, because you're walking in and here's your person on the ballot being like hi, hi, I'm Mary Beth Canty.

Jason Wagner 4:52

I think, it's crazy. I mean I think that's election interference yeah, so do I, it's very much so, hi. You know it's like a lot of people don't? I think obviously the strategy here is that you know there's maybe people that have seen her ads but never met her, but wouldn't vote for her because they don't know her or they weren't gonna vote locally, yeah, and then all of a sudden, oh, she was standing outside and oh oh, I did just recognize that name maybe.

Jason Wagner 5:19

Oh, here she is right here. I'll just go ahead and I'll click that button. Oh, she's really nice, it's like pity, it's pity votes yeah you know and, and how do you rack up pity votes? Well, you do things like that and you hand out materials and yeah no, I don't know, I don't.

Rachel Wagner 5:33

I think it's totally illinois.

Jason Wagner 5:34

I think it's totally shady. It almost kind of reminds me of like, you know, when you go to an attraction, let's say new york city, remember new york city when we were in new york city and then there were people that would like. As we were waiting in line for, like, the statue of liberty or something, it was like there'd be people in line that would be like oh hey, do you want us to take your photo, or like you? Know or like do these you want a bracelet or something or like.

Rachel Wagner 5:56

You know it's like putting it on you and if you didn't like, forcefully be like no. The next thing you know they're asking you for money and you're like exactly it just it just makes the whole experience like really kind of shady.

Jason Wagner 6:06

and I'm just standing in line here and you know, you got these people that are kind of, you know, just trying to give you the flyers. I agree, I don't like that experience.

Rachel Wagner 6:14

Yeah, we waited 40 minutes, which we've been seeing on social media that people were waiting one to three hours in places around here, so it wasn't too bad, but the longest I've ever waited to vote.

Jason Wagner 6:24

Oh yeah, by far.

Rachel Wagner 6:25

Yeah.

Jason Wagner 6:25

Yeah, talk about the woman that was in front of us who was asking the questions to the uh.

Rachel Wagner 6:29

yeah, there was a woman who was checking in right in front of us and she was asking if this is the busiest she's seen it. And the lady's like, oh, we've been here for the last 15 days and it's been more early voters than we've ever experienced. We've been busy the whole time. And she's like, oh yes, love to hear that, that's great, that's great.

Jason Wagner 6:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel Wagner 6:49

Which it is.

Jason Wagner 7:06

I think people exercising their right to vote is great. I think it is really cool that this election is likely going to be a proud boy, hillbilly, and you know fist pumping his buddies and they're all going to clearly going to go vote for the conservatives and the the wife comes in, you know, kind of behind them and is wearing the America hat and you know it was just kind of there and tagging along and aren't they like how does that whole ad go?

Rachel Wagner 7:35

Yeah, so the woman gets up to the ballot or the ballot box and she looks across the way at another woman and they kind of smile at each other and she votes for Kamala Harris. And when they're walking out, she's walking out with her husband and he goes did you make the right decision, honey? She goes. Did you make the right decision, honey? She goes, sure did.

Rachel Wagner 7:53

And it's this, like you know, it's this perception that women can secretly go in or privately I won't say secretly, I'll say privately go in and cast their ballot and their husband doesn't have to know that they didn't vote the way they want him to and the way he wants her to. And of course, anyone can go in there and vote privately, 100%. That's how it's set up. But I just think that the notion of that commercial was very offensive to women, at least it was offensive to me. I, I I'm just like I don't know anybody who is lucky for me. I don't know anybody who's being forced by their husband, against their will, to vote for somebody. But in fact we know lots of couples who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and they just don't talk about it, right?

Jason Wagner 8:47

yeah, they don't they don't talk about it, but I also. I also don't think that it's, I don't think it should be promoted that you know, you, you essentially lie, right, you just lie. You lie to your partner, you lie to who that person is yeah, well, I think that is the underlying tone of that party oh, so we should keep everything policies? Yeah, I mean keep everything a secret in but what like?

Rachel Wagner 9:12

let me ask you the same thing with the stuff in schools, right? Sure, they're keeping things secret from parents.

Jason Wagner 9:16

Totally yeah and right. But that's what they want to do, right. They want to have more secrecy Right, yeah. But what makes our marriage so strong?

Rachel Wagner 9:25

We talk about everything.

Jason Wagner 9:26

We talk about everything. Yeah, even if you and I don't align on something, we still talk about it. And and that's what the messaging should be it's there shouldn't be a promotion of, yeah, let's keep these secrets from your partner, like, even if you guys don't align, he still loves you yeah, I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure there are women out there who that probably maybe did speak to, who aren't in healthy, safe relationships.

Rachel Wagner 9:54

You know, there's also probably some men who aren't in healthy, safe relationships that's probably. I mean that's totally true, that was totally true 100, but should we be promoting that as like that's what's happening across america? No, and I also don't think it is happening across america yeah, yeah, whatever, but I think that I don't agree with most of what their political answer says. Well, true.

Jason Wagner 10:16

True, I just think that we should be promoting. Okay, what makes a marriage nice, strong and fruitful?

Rachel Wagner 10:23

Open communication.

Jason Wagner 10:23

Open lines of communication. Yeah, and that boils down to how you vote, to how you want to raise your kids. Some of the how you you know if you want to discipline your kids or what activities they do.

Jason Wagner 10:37

Yeah, how you spend your money how you save your money, how you spend your time Exactly Literally all these decisions, all these decisions, and voting is just another one of them. It's not this life or death thing that if you two are, you know, on opposite sides of the spectrum there, but like it probably is going to feel a little bit nicer if you talked about it in a way where you could, you know just well, and who better person to talk to than your spouse?

Rachel Wagner 11:01

exactly I mean in theory. You know you should be able to have pretty open communications and maybe learn something and find some common ground and agree to disagree once you've heard each other out.

Jason Wagner 11:11

But I think, uh, and actually I want to I think people avoid these discussions because they don't have the ability to to hold their emotions back, because because they haven't been in these kind of like hard situations or these hard discussions and when you, when you first do something really hard, it's really uncomfortable, like extremely uncomfortable, and maybe the first time that you hear somebody push back on one of your positions, you just get on the defense and what I've experienced personally is that I have basically come out of the closet of, like you know, being a silent majority right, and now I'm much more vocal about what I care about and I do it on social media and, yeah, did I get some backlash a little bit, but that was okay.

Jason Wagner 12:05

It didn't stop me from continuing to share some things that I thought were insightful and some of the you know the reasonings behind where we stand and ultimately, it's gotten me a lot more comfortable with listening to some of those other counter arguments and to be open to just you know I've heard this before Like my emotional response is not as strong as somebody else that doesn't practice being in these uncomfortable situations. You know what I mean.

Rachel Wagner 12:37

Yeah, I actually think you make a really good point.

Rachel Wagner 12:39

Something I haven't really thought about before is, I think, when we first got married and in our early years of marriage, I think oftentimes I held back what I was really thinking and feeling out of fear of my own emotion, creating a bigger problem than what actually existed.

Communication Practice and Dialogue Absorption

Rachel Wagner 12:56

Because I definitely have grown in my ability to not be overly emotional, in strong convictions that I have right, Whereas it used to kind of be a struggle and still can be at times, and I think that was the wrong approach. And over time, through our marriages, we've worked through things. I think now I have no problem telling you when you're upsetting me Right, and it's Jason, this is really frustrating me right now Like can you please stop. And then you're like well, you're really frustrating me too because of this, this, this and this, and then we are like, oh okay, well, let's talk about it and move on. I noticed that a lot in our marriage and it's come from practice. It doesn't come from anything else except a willingness to communicate and practicing that where I'm no longer afraid Not that I was ever afraid, but I was afraid of myself. I was hesitant to be that emotional person.

Rachel Wagner 13:47

I don't really have that fear anymore. I don't think.

Jason Wagner 13:50

It's because you practice, because we've practiced, because you practice it and you realize that once you said the things that you've been wanting to say and the reaction that you got back wasn't as bad oh, oh, wow, that wasn't that bad actually. He took that really well. Yeah, it's like the one time where I was like dude, I just lost forty thousand dollars and I'm like crying to you, I I'm like we're ruined and we're so scared to tell me that, and I was just like I don't even deserve you.

Jason Wagner 14:16

I lost all of our money. And then you were like, okay, just don't do it again. And I was like what she said, don't do it again. She didn't care.

Rachel Wagner 14:27

Like whoa, we build up.

Jason Wagner 14:29

This is the point. We build up these things that are going to happen, and they happen in our head. They don't happen in reality. The effect is much less. It's almost like anybody starting a business. They're just too scared because what if it fails?

Jason Wagner 14:43

And you go through all of these scenarios of what if? Ah, it's not a good idea, or what not? Well, it may not be a good idea, but you're going to learn from it and you're going to realize that actually, hey, you know that wasn't a good idea, but I shifted towards this one and that one actually did a lot better, and then we critiqued it a little bit more. Like you just keep trying and I think this is the point that we should all be talking about from the political spectrum is that you just keep trying to have dialogue, and when it's uncomfortable with somebody, that's okay. You know, you just need more practice with absorbing how they're going to respond and you have to also put yourself in their position, which is like this might be the first time that they've ever had a conversation where they're you know, you guys aren't aligned and they feel like they're under attack because of what you said, or maybe they feel offended by what you said.

Rachel Wagner 15:35

Yeah, and I think finding the practice of not having an urge to respond or counterattack prior to actually listening entirely. I think you do a good job of like asking questions of people. Well, explain to me why you think that you know, or where did where did that come from? What's an example of that you know and then allowing people to to speak it out you know. That's a good learning exercise for everybody actually.

Jason Wagner 16:04

Yeah, and again, it just takes practice and like you have to forcefully put yourself in those situations. Now, I'm not talking about, like you know, going out on facebook and just trolling someone and just trying to like they say something that's totally like it's very clear you can identify people that are just saying something that's totally emotional. Oh, could you imagine what would happen if donald trump got elected president? I would just die, like okay, you know what I mean. Like that is not someone that you should engage in, right, because they're not saying anything that is concrete. Like why would you just die? Or, like you know, like give me some substance here.

Social Media Content Strategy

Jason Wagner 16:39

So you can't really engage with those types of people. But you can engage with others that are like I don't agree with such and such, that donald trump wants to deport all of the migrants, like this is ripping families apart, type thing. Like you know, there's a little bit more substance there that maybe that's the type of person that you might be able to engage with and have a thoughtful dialogue with, right. So you just have to. I think you have to be a little careful with who you have the conversations with, and a lot of times I don't I actually don't engage it, I don't bring it up. It's usually the opposite side right.

Rachel Wagner 17:16

So people come to me Because I no, that is not a fair assessment, because typically you'll post something on your story, right, and then people respond to that, so you're putting it out there first.

Jason Wagner 17:28

Yeah, but I'm not putting it out there to the point of calling to an individual person that.

Jason Wagner 17:32

I am picking on. I put it out there as more of a story share and I'm careful about, you know, what goes on as a post versus what goes on as a story. Stories are only there for 24 hours and, like you know, it keeps people kind of coming back and like seeing oh, you know what are you sharing now? But the post stuff is like you know what he's sharing now, but the post stuff is like, you know something a little bit more concrete. So I want to be like if I'm going to post something, it's going to be something that is a lot more like yeah, I'm very convicted in what this is and I don't post a lot of political side of things, but I'll share my stories, a lot of stuff, and that does encourage others to ask questions or to you know, give me a high five or whatever, or yeah, You've had.

Rachel Wagner 18:17

you've had a lot of interactions with people.

Jason Wagner 18:18

It's fun, it's fun and it's and it's people that I've never interacted with before and you just get to know a person on a such deeper level. And I've and I've actually said this it is a privilege to have these discussions with people, because of how taboo it is. Think about it. I am one of the few people that actually get to regularly enter. We are you and I both do this. We are, but I think I get a little bit more out of it because I'm on the social side of it is that there's not a lot of people that want to have these discussions, but when you do talk to somebody, they're dying to talk to somebody, right? They're actually really looking for somebody that they can connect with on some of these topics, because everybody else around them maybe doesn't talk about it or they're not good at having a good finesse with it or just having a good understanding, or like yeah, and not having the outlet just builds up the emotion even more it sure does yeah.

Rachel Wagner 19:16

So going back to that commercial where we're exiting the vote, early voting location, and jason turns to me and he goes did you make the right decision, honey? And? And I just burst out laughing. It felt appropriate to ask. Oh, it was really funny it felt appropriate to ask. It was really funny.

Jason Wagner 19:35

Oh man.

Rachel Wagner 19:36

All right, so let's talk about who did you vote for on the presidential election of the United States of America. Rachel, I voted for Donald Trump and JD Vance. Why, why did you vote?

Jason Wagner 19:47

for Donald Trump and JD Vance. Why? Why did you vote for Donald Trump?

Rachel Wagner 19:49

I have voted for Donald Trump since 2016, 2016, 2020, 2024.

Jason Wagner 19:56

Why does he?

Rachel Wagner 19:58

deserve your vote again. I think from the beginning I liked him because he was not a part of the establishment and he was already a billionaire, which I think a lot of people use that as a knock against him. But from my perspective he couldn't be bought. You know, there's a lot of people who go into politics, who get rich in politics, and why is that happening? It's because they're getting bought and then they're no longer authentically representing the people. They're representing the people who bought them. And I knew, or believed I obviously didn't know that, but I believed that Donald Trump, already having money, already having fame, had no need to be bought. Nobody could buy him, right? He was going to do what he thought was best, based on solely that.

Rachel Wagner 20:46

And I think, while people like to say that, you know he wants it for the power and he wants to be a dictator and all these things, I look at as what a sacrifice to his family and to himself to walk away from a happy, cushy lifestyle of being on yachts and going golfing and taking vacations with his supermodel wife and his incredible kids. And talking to all of these people, I mean what a you know, luxurious lifestyle to live, to walk away from that into the most stressful position in the entire world, arguably the most powerful, but there's limitations on the power, so I think it's funny when people say that. But the most stressful position in the world, the most scrutinized position in the world, not just for him, but for his young son, baron, at the time. He's obviously a lot older now, but his wife, his grown children, who had businesses of their own and families of their own, children of their own he put them all in the spotlight and was just crucified.

Rachel Wagner 21:52

So from my perspective, I'm just like this guy, coming from where he's coming from, is not coming into this ill-willed. He's coming into this because he felt a calling and I think there's so many examples of that, historically, like when he was talking on Oprah 25 years ago. If I ever felt that I needed to run, I would do it for the country. He loves this country, he loves America, he loves building business and creating jobs and supporting the economy. That's kind of how, initially, my support of him started.

Jason Wagner 22:24

You were just saying all of his family and whatnot.

Rachel Wagner 22:30

Yeah, initially that was why he really got my vote in 2016 and then, I think you know, run through 2020 watching I.

Jason Wagner 22:39

I don't care about 2020, I care about now well, it all matters. It all matters, sure sure, but why does he deserve your vote today?

Rachel Wagner 22:48

Well, I think my point is he's still going, this guy, despite all of the investigations, the accusations, attempts to kill him, put him in jail, call him every name in the book. All the attacks on his family himself, all the hardships he had in the White House the first time around, all these claims of an insurrection, everything that he's been through, he's still fighting and he's doing it, losing money, spending millions of dollars on these lawsuits, and everything that. I have a ton of respect for this guy, this guy's resilience, this guy's love of country and perseverance to push through no matter what. The guy freaking got shot and stood up and threw his fist in the air and said fight, fight, fight. And then continued to go to the RNC and continue rallying. And not only that, he then returned to the place that he got shot and gave a speech, gave another rally, honored the people, the man who got killed and the families who had other people get shot.

Rachel Wagner 23:48

And I, as a person like that, I can see I have a ton of respect for him, comparatively, you know, to the other party who didn't even run in the primary. You know that to me that's not American democracy. The Democrats totally failed there. The Democrat party failed all the Democrats. I think is a complete shit show.

Jason Wagner 24:10

But yeah, I mean, I would agree with that. I mean the the the most admirable thing about donald trump is that he's a true leader. He's just one of those. I don't know anybody who is a great who's on, who's a greater leader than he is because of this guy is willing to die for his purpose, and his purpose is to make America great again and to rid it from the corruption and the unfortunate circumstances that we have just naturally evolved into. I'm sure the whole plan for our government was to get wasn't to be entangled in all of this corruption and all of this money that flows into these political arrangements and to prop people up and to destroy others. You know what I mean. Like, I feel like that wasn't the thing that we created.

Rachel Wagner 25:04

Yeah.

Jason Wagner 25:05

It's just how it's all evolved, and this man is here to fix all of that and lead us through a new era of what the US is going to be like without that stuff.

Rachel Wagner 25:19

Yeah, I don't believe the majority of people who go into politics go into it with the intention of getting rich or with the intention of being ill-willed toward the people. I think one. I think they they get bought. I think money talks to the vast majority of people, and then I also think they get blackmailed. I think it's money and fear. I think that is how you know things get get corrupted.

Rachel Wagner 25:41

But I think, getting more specific on politics of why I voted for him, I have a major issue with what's happening at the border. A major issue with what's happening at the border. There are far too many people who have come into this country that are not here to do good things. We see that from the crimes that are being done to young children, to women, to people, and as a mother and as a woman myself, it makes me very uncomfortable to think about what another four years could look like with an open border. In no way do I believe that Kamala Harris has any intention of closing the border or righting the wrongs that she's done over the last three and a half years, because if she did, she would have already done it and she can sit there and she can blame the Republicans all she wants, but they Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the ones that repealed all of the Trump border policies, so they created the problem and now they're saying they want to fix it. Too little, too late. I'm sorry, like there's a 12 year old girl who was murdered and, believe, raped, and numerous others. There was that college student, same thing, a five-year-old in Long Island I mean, the list just goes on of all these people and I, just as a woman and as a mother, I have a major issue with us just to continue to allow that to happen. So that's a very big issue for me.

Rachel Wagner 26:56

Another issue is the economy. There's too many people who are just struggling to put food on the table, and so when I see people post things like oh, I'm never going to vote away my daughter's rights just so I can save a few bucks on groceries, it's not a few bucks. We're talking over 20% of inflation on groceries and the average American's paycheck has not gone up 20%. People can't afford this. People are choosing not to have kids because they can't afford this. That's un-American, that is not okay and that's a direct result of this inflation problem that I believe was created by this administration. So that's the second thing. The third thing is.

Jason Wagner 27:33

I like what you said. There is that people are not having children because they can't afford it.

Rachel Wagner 27:39

Yes.

Jason Wagner 27:40

And what your other statement was. I'm not going to give up my daughter's rights to save a few bucks on eggs or groceries. Well, you're not going to give up my daughter's rights to save a few bucks on eggs or groceries. Well, you're not going to have a daughter.

Rachel Wagner 27:55

Yeah, I think it's crazy how many women I have seen, you know, voting solely on this abortion thing, and I just can't help but think you know, the party that you're voting for is also the party that's bringing rapists into the country. It's also the party that is not addressing crime, that has historically wanted to defund the police. I mean, all of these things go hand in hand with leading up to potentially needing an abortion in the cases of rape, right? So a struggle, a struggle, with that a lot.

Jason Wagner 28:23

It's a high. It's higher on the priority list.

Rachel Wagner 28:26

Yes. Right, it's's, it's I truly don't believe that the vast majority of america wants to take away the right to an abortion for a rape or incest or in the instance of the mother, and probably even for first term choice. I believe most of america is in agreement on that. Not all, certainly not all. There are extremes on both sides, but I think most of america is okay, trusting women to make that decision early on or in instances of rape and incest or life of the mother.

Jason Wagner 28:51

Yeah.

Rachel Wagner 28:53

So I don't see it as a oh my gosh.

Jason Wagner 28:57

In which you think the states will. This needs to be my number one issue that I need to vote for. Right, yeah, and it's all a farce too. You know it's. The Democrats have basically made that their number one running position.

Rachel Wagner 29:09

That's their only position. That's their only position. Hate Donald Trump and women's rights, right yeah.

Jason Wagner 29:15

And. But you have just kind of said that you believe the majority of America is kind of aligned on, you know the types of things that would be allowable. Now then you kind of get to like, ok, well. Well, then you have the states that are like all right, texas, after like what six weeks?

Rachel Wagner 29:31

you know you got to make it yeah, the heartbeat law, yeah, right right, so that's tough yeah right.

Jason Wagner 29:36

So it's just if you leave it up to the states, I guess the other side, their point of it, is, like you know, you're not going to actually get that consensus potentially yeah, so constitutionally, the constitution doesn't say anything about public health or health care, and it also doesn't say anything about education.

Rachel Wagner 29:53

So, like for people who are constitutionalists which I kind of identify myself as that I don't think we should be adding things or taking away things from the federal government's sphere of control. Roe v wade, the reason it was overturned was to return it to the state, because the Supreme Court decided that it was not a constitutional federal issue. And if it's not, it's not in the Constitution. Health care, public health and education are not constitutional rights. They're not federal issues then. So I personally don't think we should be amending the constitution to take things or add things away. So they should remain at the state level. But that's just my personal belief.

Jason Wagner 30:36

Right, right. And no thanks for sharing that, because that's a really good perspective that you know what probably a lot of people just didn't really think about. Right, they just kind of say, well, it should be a blanket thing across the whole nation. Well, no, because the ads have been. It should be a blanket thing across the whole nation.

Rachel Wagner 30:48

Yeah, and it was for many years because of that ruling. But it wasn't a constitutional right that was taken away, it was a court decision.

Jason Wagner 30:58

Well then, we just need to change the Constitution.

Rachel Wagner 31:00

Yeah, I don't agree with that, right, yeah, so I mean other issues that made me vote for Donald Trump foreign policy. I mean other issues that made me vote for Donald Trump foreign policy, national security. I think him bringing RFK on board was a huge factor for me, because I will say that when RFK was running independently, that was going to be a very hard team for me. And then we talked about this earlier the over reach of the government in 2021, 2022, with the vaccine mandates, the mask mandates, the overall COVID response, is something that I can't get over or forget, and it's not even just COVID itself, it was the government response to it and the mandates that came with it.

Rachel Wagner 31:49

So much was the word I'm looking for. It was such an overreach and it was the first time that I ever felt like my rights as an American were really being taken away. And then we were being singled out and demonized. We had the president of the United States speaking to people demonizing us as the unvaccinated, saying that this was a pandemic of the unvaccinated and that us as the unvaccinated, we're going to have a winter of death and darkness, and I just will never forget that. Like you know, people want to call Donald Trump Hitler. When I think about what was happening in 2021, 2022 surrounding COVID, that was very dictator-like.

Rachel Wagner 32:29

I'm not going to say Hitler, because that's an insult to people who survived the Holocaust and those victims, but it was very overreaching communist dictatorship and I believe that Kamala will be exactly the same.

Jason Wagner 32:43

I agree with that because she already is continuing. Anybody that works in her campaign has to be fully vaccinated. They're enforcing that with her right now.

Rachel Wagner 32:57

Which is wild when you consider the recent stats that 85% of healthcare professionals are not willingly taking the vaccine anymore or recommending it to their patients. That just came out the other day, and there are states and counties and state surgeon generals who have come out and recommended against it.

Jason Wagner 33:13

Yep and Idaho. They just, they just banned it in six counties.

Rachel Wagner 33:17

Well, in Florida previously had banned it for men in certain age groups.

Jason Wagner 33:21

Yep, Florida surgeon general had said that he does not recommend these shots to be on the market. And so when you think about how insane that is, take this experimental vaccine or else like that's what this was, and now you have all of these heart problems. You've had these people that have compromised immune systems. You've had deaths. You've had vaccine injuries, strokes, cancer, cancers, death All kinds of problems, healthy people dropping dead. How many people do we know that have had a problem that just kind of happened out of nowhere?

Rachel Wagner 34:04

Yeah, so people that we have heard about maybe we don't know directly, but people we're friends or family with, who have a friend or family that would be secondary to us, it's well over 50 people.

Jason Wagner 34:16

Over 50 people that we believe that has had some type of experience. That's just in our circle Since 2021. That's just in our circle. Imagine what it's like somebody else in their circle another 50 people.

Rachel Wagner 34:28

Yeah, it's been massive unexpected heart issues stroke, blood clots, cancer and just sudden death.

Jason Wagner 34:40

And the life expectancy has dropped.

Rachel Wagner 34:43

Yep.

Jason Wagner 34:44

Which is crazy.

Rachel Wagner 34:45

Yeah, you can look that up from life insurance agencies.

Jason Wagner 34:48

But as you start to think about it, well, we all took this experimental vaccine, and so the number one reason that I will not be voting for the Democrats- why you did not? Excuse me why I did not, because you voted today. Is because of that mandate. Yeah, that was the worst decision anyone could have ever made and it totally changed the trajectory of the world, the people that are still living, and it explains why we actually have a big distrust with healthcare professionals, because we're starting to see the repercussions of what has happened.

Rachel Wagner 35:32

Yeah, and I think living through that it changed our relationship with people. There was pressure from other people to us to take this vaccine and judgment from other people of having not taken it. And you know questions of whether we were going to be included in certain events and allowed to go to certain things. And you know we got kicked out of swimming for crying out loud, swimming and gymnastics we weren't allowed to go because we weren't vaccinated people lost their jobs, people were going to lose everything.

Rachel Wagner 36:01

People were going to lose their pensions had I not resigned after I had layla, I would have lost my job because it was mandated for me, right?

Jason Wagner 36:10

so so you're either put in a point of I'm either going to provide for my family or I'm going to get the jab, and that is a horrible decision to put anybody in, and the only person that put us in there was Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Rachel Wagner 36:28

And Kamala Harris.

Jason Wagner 36:29

yeah, and Kamala Harris.

Rachel Wagner 36:31

Yeah, yeah. So that's where we stand on the voting today.

Jason Wagner 36:36

Yeah, how do you feel about it?

Rachel Wagner 36:38

I'm very happy with my decisions, don't waver at all. But as far as results go, I'm super nervous. I've got a lot of nerves and anxiety around it, no matter the outcome. I think, no matter the outcome, there's going to be hard times one way or the other. I think there's going to be a continued divide, no matter which way it goes. So I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I obviously think we will have a better long-term outcome should the candidate I voted for win. I do truly believe that, but I don't think it's going to come without more continued negative rhetoric, ongoing investigations, attempted assassinations and division. I think it will, unfortunately, continue. I don't know what's going to bring the opportunity for healing to this country, but it certainly isn't. You know the right or the left it's, I don't know. How do you feel?

Jason Wagner 37:36

I think it's going to be a landslide. I think Donald Trump is going to win. I think this is going to be the victory that was long needed and is going to give a lot of closure to a lot of people, and the only way that we can really get closure is if it's a landslide victory. In one way or the other and and unfortunately I believe or fortunately, I believe that it's going to be on the right side and this is not going to be a close call I think that the movement is totally hit a new level and I think there's a lot of excitement. So that's my prediction. Well, we'll find out. Landslide victory Donald Trump is in the White House again. All right, all right, cool, biggest takeaway from this episode Just vote, get out. Landslide victory donald trump is in the white house again. All right, all right, cool, biggest takeaway from this episode just vote.

Rachel Wagner 38:21

Get out there and vote exercise your right.

Jason Wagner 38:24

Yeah, yeah same. All right cool. If you found any value in the show, please share it and we will catch you on the next episode.