Real Life Investing With Jason & Rachel Wagner
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Real Life Investing With Jason & Rachel Wagner
65. RFK Jr. HHS Confirmation and Personal Stories of Vaccine Injuries
RFK Jr.'s appointment as HHS Secretary could signify a shift toward greater transparency and parental choices in public health and vaccination policies. Jason and Rachel Wagner discuss their own experiences with vaccination and the importance of informed consent, raising significant questions about the current understanding of vaccine safety and industry accountability.
• RFK Jr. confirmed as HHS Secretary, sparking hope for public health reform
• Discussion centers on the evolving narratives surrounding vaccines
• Personal stories highlight challenges faced by parents navigating health decisions
• Emphasis on the importance of informed consent and transparency in health policies
• Concerns over the safety protocols and long-term effects of vaccines
• Call for comprehensive dialogue about vaccinations and health risks
• Conclusion presented on the need for parental autonomy in health choices, free from mandates and fear tactics
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life Investing Podcast with Jason and Rachel Wagner. Oh, we're celebrating today. We've been celebrating a lot lately, haven't?
Speaker 2:we.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What are we celebrating today, Rach?
Speaker 2:The confirmation of RFK Jr.
Speaker 1:Oh, and why is that so important to you?
Speaker 2:Well, that's a loaded question. It really is actually. Yeah, it's a huge question. There's so many people that are so happy to see.
Speaker 1:Mr Robert Kennedy be the Hill secretary. Honestly, I didn't have a single doubt that he was going to be appointed. Do you ever have any doubt?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I had some concern. I mean, he's been very controversial and it's so interesting he's been a lifelong Democrat. Not a single Democrat voted for him and all but one Republican voted for him. So I mean, I think, I think that's remarkable when you look at it not a single democrat voted for him yeah, yeah, no surprise there.
Speaker 1:So so what's your take on? Like all these democratic people literally voting no on this guy, where you know most of his policies are? They're not. They're not like one-sided right, these are. These are policies that impact literally every single person in the country. You know what I mean. They're not, and what he likes to say is that they're not. These aren't democratic children. These aren't republican children.
Speaker 2:These are all of our children yeah, he says that so well and I think that's just so true. Like the chronic disease epidemic is affecting Democrats and Republicans alike, right, like I think if you cannot see the change, the negative change in public health in this country, I don't think you're paying attention. So I feel like it's really hard for anybody to deny that that's occurring. I think it gets interesting because I suspect that some didn't like him just strictly because of the Trump thing. You know, I think that there's some underlying truth of some of that of you know we're just not going to support anybody that Trump's putting in office. I think the Democrats have a pretty strong party alliance too. They they vote together. I think you know there's a lot of information that's come out about who's accepted money from pharma. That is true on both sides Republicans and Democrats for sure. But I I do think that plays a role in it. But I also think somewhere along the way the Democrats have somehow become like the party of of overused healthcare, I think. And overuse, overuse.
Speaker 2:Like listening listening to some of the the hearing confirmation interview questions, it was astounding to hear all these people be like the science is settled. I think bernie sanders said that so many times the science is settled. And I've got a sister who's studying biology and pre-med and she's a freshman and the first thing she learned in her biology class is science has never really settled. It's an ongoing question. We're always learning, we're always evolving. You know you should be asking questions and looking at things and studying them.
Speaker 2:Like if science was settled, we'd still be telling pregnant women to smoke cigarettes, right, like to relax. That was actually a thing when my grandmother was pregnant. Back in the day that pregnant woman was like well, go ahead and have a cigarette to help you relax, right, obviously. Day that pregnant woman was like well, go ahead and have a cigarette to help you relax, right, obviously, nobody's doing that now because the science wasn't settled Right. And then I mean there's so many examples of that too, where you can look at, like Vioxx. I actually took Vioxx as a high schooler and that's been pulled from the market. The science wasn't settled on Vioxx.
Speaker 1:What is that?
Speaker 2:It was an anti-inflammatory drug. I took it from my hip, I had a hip injury and it turned out to cause a bunch of a bunch of health problems.
Speaker 1:And so they removed it from the market.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of lawsuits on it and I mean that's true. I mean look at, like what's that one pain reliever, oxycontin? No, that's still on the market, but it's heavily more regulated because of the break in addiction and turmoil that went across the country for its use. You know, I mean look at red dye, number four, that they do, number five yeah, red dye, number four is now all of a sudden actually it's not number four, it's number five, right no, it was 40, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:I don't know we should look it up so we're not just spewing wrong information.
Speaker 1:Number three oh, red dye number three.
Speaker 2:That's what they just red dye number three yeah, but red dye basically they've known since the 90s that it was linked to cancer, so they took it out of cosmetics but yet somehow left it in our food all of this time, and now it's just been removed. The examples are endless. The science has never settled. That's the point, and I thought it was astounding to listen to all these democrats oppose rfk and be like you're, you're, you know, questioning settled science around vaccines and it's like, well, let's also look at the fact that some vaccines have actually been taken off the market. The J&J COVID vaccine that was probably the most recent one that people are familiar with. That was taken off the market and then, over the decades, vaccines have been taken off the market, re-put out the combination of which ones are given together. That has changed over the years too.
Speaker 2:So this whole notion that the science is settled is absurd. So, yes, I am excited because I think we are getting somebody in this position who is open to constant questions. Right, the the vex or the conversation around vaccines causing autism being settled is also insane. We don't know what causes autism. So to just be like, well, it's definitely not this. Well, I think there's quite a few parents out there who have firsthand experiences who are going to tell you their gut and the core of their parenthood knows that that's not entirely true, because of what they saw and witnessed in their child firsthand, that's not entirely true because of what they saw and witnessed in their child firsthand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and all of these other vaccines and stuff. And the thing about Kennedy is that he's just not. He's not about the vaccine stuff. Everybody pins him as the anti-vax person, but really all of his confirmation hearings he's like I'm not against vaccines.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he has said his intent is not to have vaccines removed from the market, his intent is not to have vaccines unavailable to parents. His intent is to provide informed consent. And what does that mean? That means giving parents all of the information availability to the vaccine insert and not just the one pager that says nothing's wrong with them. And then allowing people to make the decision that's right for themselves and not just the one pager that you know says nothing's, nothing's wrong with them. And then allowing people to make the decision that's right for themselves and not having mandates or you know, people look you in the face and tell you you're crazy.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Robert Kennedy is not like anti-vaccine, he just wants better science, Right? And Rachel, what does he really kind of like mean on this whole? Like we want better science? Don't we have clinical trials on all of this stuff? And isn't the science already made? Like what? What is he talking about? We want better science, because I don't think the I mean, I wasn't recently educated on like how these clinical trials were actually done until recently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I, I used to think all the science was there too, right? We've said in previous podcasts, like we're very pro-vaccine and very much in agreement, that these have been studied, they're safe, they're effective, like why would you not get them? They've eradicated all this disease and, as it turns out, that's not actually a clear picture of the story as it goes with the whole eradicating the disease. If you look at charts of incidences of infection and then certainly incidences of death, for the vast majority of these diseases they were eradicating or eliminating themselves before the vaccine even became into existence. I think the best chart of this is the measles right. Like measles was pretty much totally done by the time the vaccine came out. So it was like this whole idea that it eradicated disease isn't true, because it actually eradicated itself, because that's how viruses work, is they spread through humans, right, and you get immunity or whatever and you move on.
Speaker 2:But then to the science of it being safe and effective. Yeah, I just assumed that all of these vaccines had been studied against a placebo. That was nothing, right, like there was a group who was given the vaccine and there was a group who was given nothing, or saline right, because that's going to give you the most accurate picture of what the vaccine is doing to the group of people who got it right. Are there positive, are there negative side effects? Is it safe, is it effective versus the group that got nothing right? So then, what you were taught in science, like how you do a hypothesis in your own experiment.
Speaker 1:This is what you would think. That is that. That's how they did it. Isn't that how they did it?
Speaker 2:No, no, actually there's not a single vaccine on the childhood schedule that was tested that way, and that was shocking to me. And then I mean go into that a little bit.
Speaker 1:It's not just shocking to you, but I was literally having a conversation with a client earlier today and they brought that. We got on the topic of it and she also did not know that these vaccines were not tested against a placebo like that. Yeah, how were they tested? I?
Speaker 2:mean I think even like to the point of like, oh, these vaccines go through rigorous testing and rigorous trials, and that is true. For some, especially some of the earlier ones, they went through like more rigorous like timelines. But some, when they made it through you know certain steps of the process, they get to the end and the monitoring period that existed at the very end there was only like three or four days. So it's like this mindset around oh, they're studied and tested for years. It's kind of like, yeah, that's really kind of a stretch and a skew when you look at each one individually. And then I also assumed that the schedule itself was tested and studied through clinical trials on combinations. So I assumed that not only did we know that vaccine A and vaccine B were safe to be given, but I also assumed that it was studied that vaccine A and vaccine B given together at the same time was safe. That does not exist. Vaccine be given together at the same time was safe. That does not exist. There are no studies out there that are showing that the combination and the schedule that we are giving these vaccines to children and the amount that we are giving to them is safe. That doesn't exist and I definitely assume that it did. I guess, in getting like a little bit more specific into the clinical trial stuff again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a physician, I'm not a scientist, so I'm not going to be able to speak incredibly technical on this. But people can do their own research and believe what they want to believe. That's totally fine.
Speaker 2:But my assumption was that these vaccines were tested against a true placebo like saline. Right, you give a group of people the active ingredient, the vaccine or the medication or whatever, and then you give a group of people nothing or a placebo, so they think that they're getting something or they don't know, and that's saline. Right. But in every single one of these the placebo controlled group was given something other than saline, either a previous version of the vaccine that they were testing, so they were putting a new one on the market, so they're testing it against one that had been previously approved. And when you do that, you're ultimately giving people a similar product and an active ingredient and the underlying I think it's called the adjuvant that's the part of the vaccine that connects to the cell and creates the immunity and whatnot.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of considered the inactive part. It's not the virus or the infection that you're trying to prevent against was given to both groups. So then, when you're looking at the data, you're looking at two groups who received something other than nothing or something other than saline. So to say that something is safe when both groups receive something, I think is unfair, inaccurate and biased yeah, so there's a great chart that's out there.
Speaker 1:It's the I can chart. This is the lawyer that is suing. Well, he's representing kennedy in lawsuits and suing, trying to trying to sue for better science and trying to get the fda to get there to show clinical trials of like longer safety measures and unfortunately he put together this, this chart, that literally has all of the vaccines on here and or a lot of them, and majority of them are they have their safety trials, like their safety review after injection is six months or less. Yeah, there's only there's only one of them. That was five years, but you know.
Speaker 2:So here, hep b, the safety review after injection is five days right five days, and that's the one we're giving to babies on their first day being alive right.
Speaker 1:So that was the clinical trial. We only studied it for five days after injection Right DTAP 30 days. And then he's got another one DTAP up to two months. One trial was six months.
Speaker 2:Right, and if you go and look at these actual inserts, the FDA inserts on the product itself, several of these will say they have not been tested in pregnancy, they have not been tested for fertility and they have not been tested for carcinogens or cancer. Right, because there's not these super long-term studies. They don't exist. So what they say like they're rigorously monitored they're referring to the VAERS system, which is a crap self-reporting system that most people don't need, most physicians and people don't even report to. So it's a small pool of data. And what's the response on the VAERS system? You know nothing. So it's like this whole we've just been. It's so frustrating. I get really frustrated. I think about it, because I I was so bought into the system working well and perfectly and it's just not yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think of the notes here we can, we can actually link to this chart it's. It's an interesting one because once you start to recognize that like, oh, this was the science that kennedy's talking about there literally are not as many or even controlled trials that we thought that had long-term studies of these effects. And so as we just keep adding more and more and look, look, at the end of the day, these vaccine manufacturers can't be sued. They can't be sued for anything and so they have no repercussions if they injure people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so that history was, I think, the first piece we've shared this too. It was like the first piece that was kind of like, well, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. You can sue anybody on the market for any product that you're you're purchasing, right, if there's negligence or bodily harm or something. Right, like, look at all the recalls that come out on things and yeah, so back in the 80s, all these vaccine manufacturers were going out of business because they were being sued for injury and Congress, you know, voted to say that well, instead of, you know, we don't want to lose the availability of vaccines on the market, so we're just going to assume that liability and we'll create, you know, a judicial system and payout system for families who want to do that, and we'll look at them individually.
Speaker 2:So there's still a process for which people can essentially sue, but you're really suing the government and not the manufacturer, and so the manufacturer themselves has no liability. So their incentive to create safe products and to ensure they're safe and not causing harm is really really not existent, really not existent. And then you've got the true incentive of practically guaranteed use and income, because the government and so many state governments are mandating these for schools or, you know, strongly recommending on the schedule. So it's like you create this product, the government's going to endorse it and the government is going to. The government's going to endorse it and the government is going to say you've got to have this in order to enter schools. So you've got this product, a guaranteed source of income and zero risk of liability should anything go wrong.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's like an amazing investment, right? Well, yeah, how do I get in on that deal?
Speaker 2:Right and that's what's happened right. That's why the schedule has blown up, because everyone's like I want to get in on that deal. Let's find an illness that's really dangerous, like rotavirus. Rotavirus is probably like my favorite one to talk about because it's diarrhea and that's awful right. Nobody wants to go through chronic diarrhea and obviously in other areas of the country that can be, or other areas of the world that can be very dangerous when you don't have readily available access to water and your sanitation situation is not safe. And obviously parents working in this modern country like you don't want to have to take weeks off of work because your baby has diarrhea and you also don't want them to have that. But like are we talk about? Are we really talking about like a life-threatening illness that needs life-saving vaccine? No, we're talking about poop yeah, nobody wants poop yeah, so funny story about the rotavirus vaccine.
Speaker 2:Should we go into that?
Speaker 1:yeah, you should, because look your experiences about this stuff. You may be, you may be on the way that we were again totally pro pro-vaccine and then all of a sudden you start to see things that happen in your life that make you start to question. The biggest questioning part for us happened with COVID and the COVID vaccine and how terrible the rollout of that was, the deception, the lies, and now we see the awfulness of how dangerous that vaccine has turned on people. And that was the eye-opening piece for me and that's why I'm actually like I don't mind calling that vaccine extremely dangerous, because you know what it leads to a lot of very bad things. So was COVID just a one-off thing? It was, you know. We may have thought it was, but it wasn't until Candace Owens, I think, started doing a deep dive into it.
Speaker 1:Well wait, is it just COVID, or was it? Oh wait, this was how you guys had been doing this all along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's interesting because we had little seeds that had been planted the moment we became parents. But you know, we, we, we, we asked the questions. Right, we asked the questions as we were going through some of these experiences, and I'll get into them in a minute. But every single time we asked, we were met with oh no, no, no, no, you couldn't possibly do that. No, you're like no, that's not what it was.
Speaker 1:You're crazy. Yeah, an instant. No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, instant no from everybody. So the first example I'll give is our firstborn healthy pregnancy, healthy delivery literally had a perfect APGOR score. When she came out of the womb was a perfectly healthy, normal baby and, like many babies, shortly after birth all of a sudden has jaundice. Well, I don't know how many of you know this, but a very common known side effect on the insert of the product of vitamin K that is given at birth is jaundice.
Speaker 1:It says that on the insert. Yes, what the hell.
Speaker 2:Right, okay. Well, it is a minor thing, she's fine. It wasn't a severe case of jaundice, no big deal. We moved on right, minus some of the trauma that existed of taking a three-day-old baby for a blood test as a new mom in the postpartum period. But that's okay, I survived. Fast forward a couple months. You get your first not your first, you're you know at birth. You get vitamin K and you get hepatitis B, like right away. Crazy. Then fast forward to two months, I think is when they get their first round. Two, three months around there. Our daughter got routine vaccination scheduled, one of which included road virus, which is chronic diarrhea.
Speaker 2:You know, it's a virus that gives you chronic diarrhea and it's dangerous because you can become dehydrated from it. Babies and children can get dehydrated very quickly. And it's a virus that gives you chronic diarrhea and it's dangerous because you can become dehydrated from it. Babies and children can get dehydrated very quickly and it's definitely a scary thing to go through, right, so we do this, and shortly thereafter she had lime green mustard squirting poop for two weeks, several days that were 25 or more instances in one day, like separate BMs in one day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were going to work, you were going into the office and I was working from home and Scarlett was not at daycare. We couldn't take her to daycare at that front and so I was home handling all of this and I was by myself and I was like Rachel. I cannot believe how many times this little girl is going to the bathroom and yeah, and it was days long, it was two weeks. It was two weeks two weeks of diarrhea and she was pooping 25.
Speaker 2:I think we got into the 30s yeah, I think there was one day that's when we went to the emergency room 30 times.
Speaker 1:It was unbelievable what was happening yeah, so we did we know at the time. Did we know at the time what it was? No, no, we did we know at the time what it was.
Speaker 2:No, no, we didn't know. So I was going to get to that. When you got to the Candace Owens, things Cause like, these were the seeds that were being planted. So you know, she starts having this diarrhea. She's two, you know, two months old, three months old, whatever she was, and you know we take her to the. Who asked the doctor, could this be from the vaccines that she just got? And they were like no, no, no, no. I remember that guy, that first pediatrician we had that we liked. He was like no, definitely, no, it's definitely not that that couldn't be the case. No, we're like oh, okay, I guess we're wrong on that right. A couple days later we see another pediatrician because by this point she had gone so many times that her bottom was raw and so we needed like cream and needed advice. So the advice that they gave us was to put our, our newborn infant, on a puppy pad so she would just poop out onto the pad and then the that pediatrician that we saw that day.
Speaker 1:She was like she had like a week left until retirement. I remember this and she's like my hand is shaking right now with how many times that you've told me that she's gone to the bathroom she's never. I've never heard this yeah, in my entire career in which I'm going to be retiring next week yeah I have never written this number down on paper of how many times somebody has gone to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:And I had the Sprout app so like I lit. This is, like you know, new parents. We track everything that our child does. I literally was tracking every single diaper, like that's how many times we were changing her. It was insane, yeah. And they're like, oh, we've never heard this. So then it was like, oh, it must be dairy. Cut dairy out of your diet, you know, because I was breastfeeding at the time. So cut dairy out of your diet.
Speaker 2:And you know, here's some bottom cream and why don't you put her on a puppy pad so her bottom can air out and heal? And she just kept kept going, she just kept squirting out the poop. So then it got to the point where I was like, okay, we probably need to be a little concerned about dehydration, because she was going 20, 30 times a day and things were just running right through her. So we take her to the emergency room. They run every type of test on her. I give them a specimen of her poop sample. Literally nothing comes back. There's nothing wrong with her. She just has chronic diarrhea. Ask the question again Could this be from the vaccines that she just got? Like she just had the rotavirus vaccine? Isn't this rotavirus Like? Isn't what she's experiencing chronic diarrhea, yeah, but it's not from that. No, it's not from that. She probably just picked up a virus. You know. No big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we got zero answers, we got zero answers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that both of those experiences, I think, were seeds that were planting. As you know, we continued on through the vaccine schedule. She had several, several occurrences of 105 spiked fevers where we would, you know, take her to the ER, cause that's what they say when it gets that high. You got to take them in and they'd run all these tests on her. They would find nothing wrong with her and within 18 to 24 hours the fever would subside and she wasn't sick. She didn't have any other symptoms except these super, super high, intense fevers that would make her lethargic. And there were never any answers. There was never any reason for her to be going through that right, just, oh, it just must be some virus. What's weird? It's weird she's picking up all these really obscure viruses that you can't name that we also aren't really getting that's weird so fast forward to 2020.
Speaker 2:And the COVID and the COVID vaccine you know, candace Owens comes out with this shot in the dark thing, documentary of these vaccines, and that was the first time I had ever listened to anything that was anti-vax, and I will tell you it was not convincing alone by itself. I didn't feel there was enough information there for me to stop vaccinating our children, and so we did continue. But it was enough for me to start asking more questions and looking for more information and then looking back at my daughter's history and and having the conversation with my parents of like, oh, like, I didn't get a vaccine for hepatitis a as a kid. I didn't get a vaccine for rotavirus as a kid. I didn't get a vaccine for chickenpox as a kid, because I had regular chicken pox, right?
Speaker 2:So this realization of like, wow, I'm giving my child so many more vaccines than what I received as a kid, nobody ever said that. I just assumed that I was giving them the standard ones that we've been giving kids for the last 60 years, right? Nobody said, well, this one's a newer one, you know, whatever it's not like it's new, new, but it's new for our generation, right? Like we gave our kids you know, our kids got almost everything on the schedule because it took us a long time to get to the point of like, we have to stop doing this. But so many of those vaccines we never received as children, and even the vaccines we received, our parents didn't receive.
Speaker 2:And there's this whole argument of like, oh, science has advanced, and blah, blah, blah blah. But again, what actually changed when we were born in the 80s? The manufacturer liability, that's what changed. And this incentive to get involved into this guaranteed income stream of vaccine manufacture is what changed and that's why at let's see, I think at like 24 months our kids had had 29 doses of vaccine. They had had more doses of vaccine than they were months old. Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. So you start to piece all these things together of our real life experiences and then you kind of go through well, covid happened, and now there's just a rabbit hole. Right Now there's a rabbit hole. We're starting to develop hypothesis and realize that the doctors are saying these things because, one, they don't know. That's what they've been told. Two, there's incentive. And then we find out that doctor's offices are incentivized based off of how many people that they vaccinate. Based off of how many people that they vaccinate. And if you've ever heard of stories of people that are kicking parents out of clinics because they are choosing not to vaccinate, why are they doing that? It's because there is incentive and, specifically, there's published incentive. There's published incentive. That was on the COVID vaccine and here this is from Blue Cross, blue Shield. Here's what they were per Thomas Massey, congressman, who shared this post, and it is a printout that was given to doctors on the vaccinations. So here's how you can qualify for a bonus If your practice meets the below thresholds for vaccination, with at least one dose by September 1st 2021, you will receive the initial incentive payment based on the following rates so 30% of members vaccinated receive $20 bonus per vaccinated member.
Speaker 1:40% will receive $45 per vaccinated member. 50% receives $70 bonus per vaccinated member, 60% will receive $100 bonus per vaccinated member and 75% of Anthem members vaccinated will receive $125 bonus per vaccinated member. And we start to realize that pediatricians per vaccinated member, and we start to realize that pediatricians, they earn majority of their money from vaccines and there are incentives to vaccine and the well, there's probably those incentives in there because they want herd immunity, right, and that's the whole thing is that you have to have a number of the population vaccinated in order to control it, and so that's why they have these incentives in there. So doctors are automatically always going to defer to well, I got to get my bonus. If I can get 75% of my practice vaccinated, then I will get the highest bonus eligible.
Speaker 1:And you know what, if I got somebody that doesn't want to take it, well, that's fine, I'm just not going to see them any longer. And that is exactly happening. We know plenty of people that are going through that exact thing. People are getting kicked out of their doctor's offices because they are hesitating on this stuff, because we've started to recognize that the science was never done correctly from the beginning. We want better studies, and so if you start to question that, sorry, your healthcare choices are now limited. Now that is a very, very corrupt system and I think today is the day that that whole system dismantles because we have Robert Kennedy as HHS secretary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. I mean it's not going to be today, but today's the start.
Speaker 1:Today's the start of all that dismantling. Today's the start. Yes, All of that is going to dismantle.
Speaker 2:It's going to take a lot of time and I think it's going to be very challenging, even with him getting into the position.
Speaker 2:I think what I was saying about, like the Democratic Party earlier, I think there really are people who so truly believe that science is settled and that this cannot be overturned, and this is so dangerous because of the decades worth of fear mongering that we have done around these diseases and how wonderful these vaccines are are going to have a hard time if that changes.
Speaker 2:And I think it's important to note too that there's no guarantee that that is going to happen because we don't know what the true science is going to say, because it hasn't been done right, like we don't actually know factually from a clinical trial that A causes B or, you know, or doesn't cause B, right, we don't know that. But there is an awful lot of correlated data that is now available because we're talking about an entire generation that has grown up with it. Right, there's a clinic here actually in Arlington Heights, who does not vaccinate at all and hasn't for several decades, and they have shared their data for people who are doing investigations or studies to show that they don't have a single unvaccinated patient who has autism.
Speaker 1:That is insanity.
Speaker 2:And the counter argument that you hear from people that doesn't prove causation. You're right, it does not prove causation, but is that enough for us to look at this and say, wow, that's an astounding correlation, given the fact that our autism numbers have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30 or 35 or whatever the heck it is now to be looking at this. That's pretty remarkable, because you can't tell me all of those patients have the same diet and have the same genetics and have all of the same other underlying factors that you know may be contributors to autism.
Speaker 1:What clinic is that?
Speaker 2:Eisenstein Clinic Okay.
Speaker 1:They're like famous, aren't they?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't quite use that term, but dr mayor eisenstein is referenced in several published books and he passed away, actually quite mysteriously, um several years ago, and his, his daughter, has continued on in the practice. Yeah, so it's. I guess my point is to like um, rfk jr, and what's the other guy's name? Hooker booker on the um vax on vax book oh, I think so, hooker yeah, brian hooker yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:um, that book too, again, that entire book is not proof of causation. But there's so much correlated data out there where we really do need to stop and be like, okay, something is happening, something is a miss, like we need to look at this closer. And it's frustrating to see so many people just blindly be like, no, no, we're not looking at it. The science is settled. Vaccines are safe and effective.
Speaker 1:Vaccines are safe and effective right, because they're just like well, there's going to be a big measles outbreak or there's going to be polio. Hello, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so. So I was going to share this the other day, but there's a really funny Brady Bunch episode out there about the measles, you know, and there's six kids in that family or whatever, and the kids coming home and be like oh apparently I got the measles and that's the best one to get, because I get to stay home, because the symptoms for the vast majority of people who get them are very mild.
Speaker 2:Are there severe risks and is it possible to die? Of course that's true of the flu, that's true of everything right Like if you get strep throat and it goes untreated, you could get scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, and years ago, before antibiotics existed, you could die yes that's true, but modern medicine has cures available, right like there's so many things that have changed in our life as far as sanitation and curing of disease and treating those things that we're like ignoring, right?
Speaker 1:yeah well, which one was it that was the sanitary. The reason it was eradicated was because the sanitary conditions all of a sudden got a lot better. Polio it was polio, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:I think it was polio. Polio is an interesting one. This is the one that everybody always comes back to Like what about?
Speaker 2:polio right. Look up the data and the trends on polio. It's super interesting. And then the history of polio there's there's like a really long hundreds of years worth of of data on polio, and it's it's interesting because there doesn't there's an argument that says there is no clear research that shows that polio is actually passed from human to human. I don't know where I stand on polio, to be perfectly honest, but I think that there is enough questions there that again we should be looking at it closer right. I think the timing of DDT is certainly a consideration. I think it being eradicated or starting to be eradicated and decline is certainly interesting. I think the seasonal outbreaks of polio being around harvest season, relative to pesticide use and focusing on rural areas is super interesting. There's a lot of information around polio. That makes that one super odd and unique.
Speaker 1:There's all kinds of stuff. All you have to do is literally just go out to x and just type in. You know, what I typed in here was like polio had better sanitation. Then all of a sudden I got all of these things that popped up about vaccines and better sanitation and just like the arguments on this side of the thing, I I think the. I think the.
Speaker 1:The issue is is that if you want to be for us, we wanted to be super informed and and the way to have really informed consent is to understand the issues on both sides and lean on the one that kind of makes more sense. And if you don't understand the issues on both sides, instead you're just like no, I have to vaccinate because the doctor tells me to, and otherwise we're going to get, we're at risk of getting all these diseases. I don't think you're really doing your homework to really understand, well, why is there a larger movement of people that are being a lot more hesitant? Why don't you try to understand their positioning and some of that piece of that, and so you can start to go down your own rabbit holes and figure that out and at the end of the day, if you realize that, hey, I don't like any of these rabbit holes that I just discovered. I'm going to listen to my doctor because that's exactly what I should be doing. That's totally fine. At least you looked at both sides and you made informed consent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think the really unfortunate thing is like the people debating this aren't true debate, true conversation is happening at a level where nothing's going to change. Right, it's like you and I and other podcasters and other news people and that sort of thing, but the real prominent people who can make change, like RFK, nobody wants to debate him and the whole hearing thing. I was really looking forward to listening to some back and forth because that was going to be like a true open dialogue that was going to occur, except that wasn't what it was. I quickly learned that Senate hearings are kind of like a big charade but people just had a speech that they wanted to get out and they wanted to throw accusations out and they wanted to get their sound clips in and not actually allow a true response. Right, like nobody has actually sat down with rfk and had a debate and debated their side about why vaccines are safe and effective and then why he's questioning them like that.
Speaker 1:That's what needs to occur, right, and no, they leave it up to the people on social media to go back and forth, right, so, as you're like, go look at X.
Speaker 2:It's like crazy. Okay, that's easy for people to be like, okay, you're just falling into these holes, but it's really challenging and it's interesting to me that RFK had openly challenged certain people to a debate. Well, come talk to me about it, right, let's actually have a conversation and I want you to respond to the things that I'm saying. But they don't do that. They don't respond directly to him or want to get into a conversation with him or debate with him. Instead, they go to the news media outlet and paint him as an anti-vaxxer, quack, conspiracy theorist, all these names. He's so dangerous. They create all this fear and then nobody hears the other side.
Speaker 1:Right, right, both sides need to come together and actually have a conversation and debate this out and it needs to be at a very high level like that, because, again, like you know, you have people that come to us right and like, for example, this guy that wants to always debate me on on this stuff and like, literally, it doesn't matter what I say, he's always going to have the other position.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like literally always, and so eventually I just had to stop responding because I'm just like dude. There's so much more work that you need to do on your own end to continue to see things like why somebody would be in my position. I mean, you could say literally. The problem is like you could say the same thing about me, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess that's my point, right and so like these.
Speaker 1:Bigger debates need to happen in a much higher level.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is a Kennedy versus whoever?
Speaker 2:Yeah, bernie Sanders had Fauci right. Yeah, I would love to have RFK and Fauci. That would be amazing. But like Bernie Sanders had this big what do you call it? Like an open forum? I don't know what he called it, some kind of yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 1:He had a big open forum where he invited all of the vaccine manufacturers to come sit down at a table with him and say here's why we need vaccines. Well, why do you think all those people would say the things that they said? Why do you think, yeah, it was one sided it's like I was really.
Speaker 2:I watched that whole thing because I was excited that he was going to do something like that, but it was only one side. You have to have both sides, representative, and the response that you'll get from from I think you even had a physician tell you it was too dangerous to debate him. Isn't that what?
Speaker 1:Yes, the doctor who told you you were killing your neighbor.
Speaker 2:That's what the medical community was saying was that RFK is too dangerous to debate. He's too dangerous to debate. Does that even make sense? No, it doesn't, that's crazy, right.
Speaker 2:Like if your science is so strong, you should be able to say RFK, you're not being truthful here. That's not true, or here's the reason why it was studied that way way or whatever, which I don't think they have a reason, which is why they're not debating him, Right. So there's no guarantee that this is going to change things, but I suspect there is going to be significant reform. There's going to be a lot of massive change.
Speaker 1:And the everyday person needs to be ready to unwind the things that they have learned before, because it's no longer the case, because the things that we have learned before have their flaws. And if we can unwind the things that we've learned before and start to recognize okay, these are now the new questions that we need to ask. That's how you can start to navigate this new world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think as a culture we've gotten so accustomed to just accepting that things just happen and just accepting that. You know, kids regress at at two and a half because that's just how it how it works, it's just normal development. You know, these things just happen. We don't know why they happen. I don't believe that. I think that nothing just happens. I think that there is a stimulus that causes a reaction and we've given up on identifying what that stimulus is, or we're purposely choosing not to identify what that stimulus is, because we're trying to protect our not we, but people are trying to protect their profits.
Speaker 1:I wanted to ask you did you want to go into the vaccine injuries that we personally experienced? I mean, we've already talked about a couple of them, but do you want to talk about any others?
Speaker 2:Well, where I was kind of going with that is you know this whole notion that you know, at a certain half she had an acute regression where she lost the ability to speak, to articulate what her thoughts were. Overnight had a up to 25 repetition stutter, started pooping her pants to the point of not even realizing that she had pooped her pants and it not bothering her. She'd been potty trained.
Speaker 2:She was already potty trained at that point, yeah she was very well potty trained and you know when she would wake up over the night with a diaper wanted to be changed. So it wasn't just the regression of having the accident but also it not bothering her.
Speaker 2:You know, very confused, confused state she was potty trained, but she was still wearing a diaper at night overnight, yeah, yeah, so would poop her pants during the day and not tell anybody and just keep playing in it because it didn't faze her. All of that change literally happened on the same day. So we had a perfectly well-developed. On the same day. So we had a perfectly well-developed two and a half year old child. She was very smart. She knew all of her letters at 18 months old, spoke, you know, sentences I wouldn't say clear to everybody because not everybody can understand toddler language right, but like we could very clearly understand her, you know grandparents could understand her, teachers could understand her. She spoke very clearly in complete sentences, could articulate thoughts, you know, developmentally knew her letters, her numbers, her shapes, her colors, all of those like real basic things. And on a single day all of that was gone. She couldn't speak her thoughts, she was using the wrong word for everyday things like her elephant and yogurt. She was very confused and would like swap those words out. All at once. She had this acute regression. I can't.
Speaker 2:I just spent two years trying to figure out what happened and we went to so many physicians and doctors trying to figure out why this happened for her, what was causing this, and it started getting a little better, or it did start getting better over time. And so it was like oh, why don't you go to occupational therapy? Oh, she must have just been constipated, or it must be that you had another kid and so she's craving attention from you. This just happens at this age. You know, kids are kind of weird at this age. We don't really know their development's not totally fluid Ebbs and flows, highs and lows. A sudden onset of a stutter is not, that's not uncommon. You know that's normal and that's normal. While perhaps the occurrence of those things is true, I do not believe that it just occurs.
Speaker 2:And so over time, over the next two years, we would go through these periods of six to eight weeks of this regressive behavior that would progressively get better and then she would return to normal and it would be fine. And then it would happen again. She would regress, these same things would happen. She'd have an accident.
Speaker 2:In some instances she's even kind of having like hallucinations, and I was going to the doctor all the time and they're just like you got to get in for speech therapy and I'm like, but she speaks fine when she's not in this phase. Why would I put her in speech therapy when she doesn't have a stutter, when we're not going through this thing, right? I finally actually did go and see a speech therapist and it was. You know it takes forever to get into a speech therapist I'm sure many of you parents know that, but you know it took us a couple months to get in. I finally get in and she's in a phase where she's speaking just fine and the speech therapist is just like well, I guess if she has another regression, call me and I'll try to get you in right away so I can evaluate that and then at least we can give you the tools to help get through it. But that wasn't gonna give you my answer.
Speaker 2:My question is why is my kid regressing like this for six to eight weeks and then gets better and then it happens again and it's all these like same symptoms, right? What the hell is going on? You can't tell me this is normal. It's not normal for a kid to just be potty trained and then the next day just poop their pants. It's not normal for them to know all of this information and then one day it just fall out of their brain and it'd be gone. It's not normal for them to be speaking perfectly clear and eloquently and all of a sudden repeat the words 25 times.
Speaker 2:And I will never forget the first time she had that stutter. I was walking with her, I was holding her hand and she was trying to say something to me and the fear in her eyes I will never forget, because she knew what she wanted to say. She was trying to get it out. She got tears in her eyes and it was just like over and over and over again. She was so upset and I was scared and I just looked at her and I said it's okay, let's get to the car and then we can talk about it. And she sat silently that entire ride home, didn't say a word, which is also not like her. But she herself knew. Her two-year-old self knew something was wrong, because that had never, ever happened before. She had always been able to articulate her thoughts. She had always been able to speak freely and clearly and all of a sudden that was gone. She could not get her words out.
Speaker 2:Fast forward a year, a year and a half, when we would go through these phases, she started being able to articulate to us. I can't say what I want to say. I have video of her saying that to us, as she's repeating, repeating, repeating and repeating the start of the word and she just can't get her thought out. She'd say I can't say what I want to say. Why is this happening to me? I can't do it why? Why? You remember that? I mean just incredibly devastating for a parent and then to go to the physicians and the doctors who are supposed to help you and just have them be like you need to give her more attention and she's constipated, no big deal. I could punch that woman in the face.
Speaker 2:But anyways, as it turns out, she has an autoimmune condition, pans, pandas and when she gets an immune triggering does, and when she gets an immune triggering reaction most commonly to strep throat her brain swells in the basal ganglia area of the brain, encephalitis, and it causes these neuro regressive symptoms and they can last, you know, for for her it's been six to eight weeks. We're fairly fortunate in that her diagnosis is on the more mild side. They're very, very severe cases of people who lose the ability to walk and have very severe OCD and tics, which OCD definitely pops up. For her it's fairly mild but um, and all of these occurrences she'll have some type of OCD and tics, which OCD definitely pops up. For her it's fairly mild, but in all of these occurrences she'll have some type of OCD tic that will come up where, like, if there's a single speck in a toilet bowl, she won't sit on it, like, totally, will freak out, she won't go, she'll cover it up with all this toilet paper in the water. You know, literally at three hold her bathroom because she doesn't want to go in the toilet that has a single speck on it, like that type of OCD. None of that exists when she's not in these phases. They only exist when they're in these phases.
Speaker 2:And after two and a half years of documenting all of that, I, you know. Finally, the speech therapist actually the lady that we went to was the one who said have you ever heard of PANS PANDAS? I'm like, no, I don't know what the heck you're talking about. So she sent me a bunch of information on it and I started looking at it and I joined this group and I'm like, reading all these other parents' experiences and I'm like, holy crap, this is what this is. And, sure enough, went to a neurologist and did blood work and shared all of the information over the past years, and that is what she has.
Speaker 1:She's also allergic to eggs. I want to put that out there too yeah vaccine injury that's where you were going with vaccine injury. Yeah, is there any other uh vaccine injury you want to talk about? Hopefully. Rachel just says she's allergic to eggs.
Speaker 2:Is that all you wanted me to say?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just kidding. I actually wanted you to go down that route, but that was a funny reject there.
Speaker 2:That is really funny.
Speaker 1:No, she's also allergic to eggs.
Speaker 2:She's also allergic to eggs, and so, as you look at what we know about her today, she's allergic to eggs.
Speaker 1:So where'd that come from?
Speaker 2:and like do you have any allergies?
Speaker 1:I had somebody ask me this well, there's a lot of, you know, autoimmunes that could happen because, or allergies that could happen because the parents have the allergies. Well, I'm not allergic to a fucking thing, are you?
Speaker 2:I have seasonal allergies like grass, and stuff like that, but no, no, no food allergies, nothing like that.
Speaker 1:So literally zero allergies.
Speaker 2:That we're really aware of, or that's consumed, like in our entire family In our entire family yeah, and our one daughter that we have has an egg allergy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay. Now our second daughter does not have an egg allergy. We also cut her short on some of the vaccinations that we were doing with her yeah right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we stopped both girls at the same time and they're different ages, so yeah, oh right, yeah, so one has more than the other right so yeah, that is just kind of how that all kind of shaked out for us. But well, it's like, as you look back over all those trips that we had to the er for these high fevers, it's like, okay, was it an allergic response, an autoimmune response, a response to all this crap you're putting in our body? Yeah, we don't know. We can't prove causation. We'll never know.
Speaker 1:We always get whenever we went to the, to the doctor at where we went to the hospital or er trip, it was like zero answers we we got I. I told rachel, I'm like there is no point of even going to the hospital because we get zero answers every single time. Well it's, it's a high fever, it's 105 degrees. We have to go. Well, of course you have to go. Well. You should tell me why this is happening.
Speaker 2:And we got literally every single time we learned nothing and I was like, wow, well, that was a waste yeah, and and had we followed the first pediatrician's recommendation of take her to occupational therapy, she's probably on the spectrum start speech therapy. She's probably just got a developmental speech delay. You know, had we, had we gone down that road, I actually I get really like emotional thinking about it because had I not been, like no, my mom gut is telling me something is wrong. This, this is not, this is not normal, right? Had we not done that and we did all of that, I can't, I don't even like to think about where she would go, cause I've read stories of people who have this pans, pandas, things and it went undiagnosed for a really long time and untreated. And you know, kids mistakenly get diagnosed with autism, or mistakenly diagnosed with ADHD, or mistakenly diagnosed with OCD or mistakenly diagnosed with ticks and all of these things, and it's like actually there's an underlying root cause there that's curable or treatable. It's not curable, it's treatable.
Speaker 1:So now we know, you know, the treatment here is that whenever she does get strep throat, okay, strep throat is the trigger for her right. So that's what caused the-. It's not the only trigger, but it is the most common one. Yeah, okay, so kind of trigger, but it is the, it's one of the most common one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so she gets zero symptoms of strep throat, no fever, no like, no complaining of a strep throat. She does not appear sick in any way okay literally doesn't have a normal immune response to strep yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So how do we, how do you pick up on this? Like what's the protocol? Now she?
Speaker 2:poops pants. That was the most common one, which thankfully didn't happen this last time she starts having a stutter. She has an ocd tendency that pops up regression in school work or she gets very furious too yes, she's very triggered, like it becomes a things that are normally easily coped with are turned into really intense outbursts and tantrums that she can't regulate, and it's like we can't soothe her or calm her down. It's super intense, it's like it's out of control, so super triggered.
Speaker 1:You had to tell me one time because I was I was like trying to calm her down in front of people one time and you actually came up to me and said she can't help it. She can't help it. Yeah, like you can't do anything right now, you have to yeah, yeah, that's been.
Speaker 2:The hardest thing about this is like at the moment it's not her misbehaving, it's not her choosing to be annoying with the toilet and refuse to go right like it's she. Her brain is inflamed. Her brain is inflamed from the infection, the autoimmune response to the infection, and these things are happening.
Speaker 1:There's another thing I was going to share that happens with her so, anyways, as you kind of go down this whole route of personal experience, look, I think, at the end of the day, if you ever want to change somebody's mind, have them go through it.
Speaker 2:And that sucks, and that totally sucks. I wish there were people who talked to us about vaccines before we were on board and I thought they were total whack jobs.
Speaker 1:I was like you're nuts, rachel, you didn't want, you didn't want Scarlett to be next to anybody until she had her vaccines.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you were that so far.
Speaker 1:on that side of it, I know, and you you know, new baby. Everybody wants to come over and meet her. Well, sorry, Rachel, I doesn't want anybody to come over here because she hasn't had her vaccine.
Speaker 2:It wasn't that extreme. A lot of people came to see her, but I was fearful every time, every single time.
Speaker 1:I was fearful. You told me these things, and so it's important to recognize just how far we've come. Yeah, personally, we had to learn the hard way. Yes, we did.
Speaker 2:We had to learn the hard way and it's really easy. I think, as parents who haven't experienced it, it was really easy to be like, okay, that happens once in a million or that's caused by something else. This is really common, you know.
Speaker 1:It's really easy to just dismiss it because it's really easy for people that don't have kids to literally say that we're crazy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Because a lot of the people that will question us they don't have children. Yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:They don't have children.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:And so personal experience, at the end of the day, is going to solve a lot of your unanswered questions and maybe it prompts you to go down a rabbit hole, maybe it prompts you to just explore both sides of things and, at the end of the day, informed consent is always going to be what prevails, and whether you want to be on one side or the other, great, but at least we have the choice. That's what America is great it was built on was choices, not mandates, and that's what we want. Robert Kennedy is going to bring back choice, not mandates, informed consent, not mandates, and that's what I think is going to be the best piece coming out of all of this, at least on the vaccine side of things. He's also going to be banning all the things that are terrible for us, okay, so I guess that kind of turns into mandates. Oh, mandating that we're, that we're getting rid of these dyes, right?
Speaker 2:mandate prohibition yeah, it's different in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, okay, but yeah, no, I mean it's exciting, right, we can now start eating food again, hopefully. I mean it's exciting, right, we can now start eating food again, hopefully. I mean it's not all gonna happen right at once, not gonna happen tomorrow, right, it's funny, the democrats they want well, inflation should be down. Trump's now in office. He's been in office for two weeks, you know, why is?
Speaker 2:inflation still going up.
Speaker 1:It's so, it's so funny. It's like I bet you that argument's gonna start happening and it's like we still have stuff, our food here and it's only been a week going on. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean yeah Well, and you're definitely going to start to hear about outbreaks of diseases more and more.
Speaker 1:And what's funny is they're going to announce that stuff, but it's. Is it actually going to turn into major outbreaks and death and disease?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I want to share this really funny story real quick. When scarlet was a baby, there was a big measles outbreak that happened in new york city and I remember arguing with you about this when we were in galena with our family because I was so fearful of it and like so upset about anti-vaxxers and you know all the things come to find out I just recently heard this. That outbreak was actually among us, a particular group and community I'm not going to call them out specifically, but a particular group and community who doesn't vaccinate or doesn't receive the MMR vaccine for religious reasons. And there was a case that popped up, a couple more cases that popped up, and this specific community was purposely going to get their children infected with measles so then they could get the exemption that said they could do the Titor's test. That said they've got the antibodies so therefore they don't need the vaccine.
Speaker 2:So this outbreak, you know, was all over the news and fear mongering was actually like a purposeful spread of this illness among this community who wanted their children to get measles so then they could have lifelong immunity and get exempt from getting the vaccine. And once I heard that I was just cracking up because I'm just like none of that was shared in the news media, right, and to my knowledge there were no deaths in that outbreak. I cannot say that for certain, but my recollection was there were like 1100 cases that occurred but no deaths. But to just hear that like, oh my god, it wasn't spreading to you know, these, these people who were trying to avoid it. It was actually spreading to people who were purposely trying to get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah there's the uh, the fear-mongering is like fear-mongering is so amplified right now and it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's the, uh, the fear mongering is like fear mongering is so amplified right now and it's and it's amazing like that is what sells.
Speaker 1:If you're on the left side, that is what sells. So they will, they will push the fear, they will push all that stuff and uh, you know, look, at the end of the day, we had a great conversation with our last guest and I I asked her about you know, what should we do with these situations? You're a new parent. You got to make these decisions for your children. The left wants to tell you. The left wants to tell you that you know you vaccinate so that you can protect your, the kids down the street and your neighbors. And then I asked our guest but what does God say here? And God wants you to trust your gut.
Speaker 1:I think, at the end of the day, you have to make the decisions. That is going to go with what your gut is telling you to do, and do that. Trust your gut. If your gut tells you to vaccinate your children and do the whole schedule, that is totally fine. I will never, ever judge you for that. I applaud you for that, because you've made informed consent and you are fine with all the risks that come with that. If you're the opposite, you decide that you are no vaccine. Maybe you're some vaccine. There's a lot of people that want to be like, hey, I don't want to do this one, I don't want to do this one, but I will do that one because that one makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or do a delayed schedule, or there's a lot of options.
Speaker 1:Bravo, that should be your choice, informed consent, and I love you. You're great. I love you who also totally vaccinated their children. Great, we can live in harmony. Fantastic, there is no. This is a war against the unvaccinated. Like unbelievable amounts of fear mongering that was pushed, that continues to be pushed on the left side and just don't fall into the trap. Don't fall into the trap at all. So cool. Anything else you want to add I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I'm excited for what's to come. I know many people are very fearful and I can relate, because that was me not that long ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, I actually wonder. There's a lot of people that are like not that long ago, but oh, I I actually wonder. There's a lot of people that are like, well, if I'm gonna start to not vaccinate my children, what do I do? Like they can't, like do these things, they can't go to these places without having these vaccines, and like there's you know, and so now you got to go into, like religious exemptions, and they're like well, I don't, my religion doesn't have that or does it, or maybe I'm not religious, religious Like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So now there's all of these. There's all these hoops.
Speaker 1:Hopefully right With the appointment of Robert Kennedy, you don't have to jump through those hoops anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that will be interesting to see if that actually prevails, because a lot of those hoops are set by the state, so like the CDC is providing the recommendation, but then the states are adopting the recommendation as requirements for public schools and then private businesses are like oh, we follow this. So it's going to be interesting to see how that trickles down. My suspicion is, being in a state like Illinois, like we are, they're probably going to buckle down, hardcore and oppose all of this. So it will likely remain.
Speaker 1:It probably will be right.
Speaker 2:Just because we're a left-leaning state and yeah, and at least initially, yeah, but illinois does allow for religious and medical exemptions. Most states, I don't think, allow for personal exemptions. There's a few out there, but most don't. Almost everywhere you can get a religious exemption and medical exemption, but it varies state by state. So it will be interesting to see how that, how that, rolls out. Yeah, and I think you know the requirements are really specific to public school setting too, and that looks like it's on the verge of changing too. So we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. It's gonna be really interesting. Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting lots of shake-ups happening.
Speaker 1:All right, well, cool. Well, thank you for listening. I think this was a great personal tale of you. Know our own journey. We clearly aren't the only ones experiencing this type of thing, because you know what? At the end of the day, robert Kennedy would not be in the position that he is if he wasn't able to gain traction for people to believe his stuff, to get a massive independent support. Have that independent support, join the republicans, have trump win and have trump put robert kennedy in a position of power yeah, it's so interesting too if you look back at his story, because he he this wasn't even his initial work.
Speaker 2:Moms came to him and asked him for help and he was just the person who listened. He listened, trusted. Moms looked at the data and was like you're right, there is something here, and thank god for that. There's there's some, there's so much truth to, there's so many mothers that are so thankful for Robert Kennedy so many because this was an emotional thing for you, right?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, I felt a lot of emotion this morning. Yeah, because I feel like we'll see how things shake out. But there's going to be, I assume, some validation that's going to come from this. You know of, you know that doctor who told me my kid was constipated and seeking attention. You know, there's going to be some validation there. Those doctors who said, oh no, no, no, no, it's not the vaccine. There's going to be some validation there, right?
Speaker 2:It already exists because it's on the insert. So it's like there's going to be some validation there right it already exists because it's on the insert.
Speaker 1:There's going to be a lot of validation, even with the COVID vaccine too. Robert Kennedy has actually opposed all of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's already started in the States too.
Speaker 1:Thank God for him and Robert Malone, because you know what, if I would have never heard Robert Kennedy's podcast on the Joe Rogan show, I probably would have been vaccinated right now. I totally would have been vaccinated right now.
Speaker 2:I totally would have been and honestly I credit Malone. Could I have had Brett Weinstein's podcast on the dark horse with Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone?
Speaker 1:It was it was those and then getting on a large figure show like Rogan's and to have a guy who's running for president at that time Right, or I think he, I think he was he had already announced right RFK had announced when he went on.
Speaker 2:Rogan, I don't believe.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But to be critical of all that stuff when everybody was not was like why? Why are you critical? And all of a sudden we start to see a bunch of things kind of play out three, four years later, and you know what? We are on a very good track right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank God for those people being willing to speak out.
Speaker 1:We just don't want repeat mistakes to happen, and so I think you know, as we shake things out, things will get better, so all right. So if you enjoyed the show, please share it, and thanks for listening, and we will catch you on the next one.