65 - Real Estate As A Ministry | William Holland

There are many practical and meaningful ways to serve and bless others and promote God’s kingdom. We can use our resources, our influence, and even our businesses as a ministry to reach out to others and share the word of God. In this episode, we’re sharing the story of a real estate entrepreneur whose passion for evangelism has influenced how he runs his business. 

William Holland shares his journey from construction management to pursuing real estate syndication full-time, and how his faith and personal values have influenced his career path and investment strategies. As founder and CEO of Bigger Picture Holdings, he not only educates investors on financial literacy and responsible real estate investing but he also spreads God’s word and helps people understand the scripture. Listen now and find out how a real estate business can be a force for reaching out and making a positive impact in the lives of others.

Key Points From This Episode: 

• William shares a highlight from this week.
• William talks about pivotal moments in his life and how he got to his current station in life.
• William shares his faith journey.
• How did William get into real estate?
• What is William’s current focus in real estate? 
• What is the greatest investment that William has ever made? 
• William reflects on his journey toward growth in generosity.
• How does William steward resources for God's kingdom?
• William answers the mentor-minute questions.
• William talks about his podcast, the Money Tree Real Estate Investor Podcast.
• William’s contact details.

Tweetables:

“Real estate is my ministry.”

“Doing real estate is an open door to be open about my faith and who God is.”

“Find that place where you can serve and build relationships. That's where real change takes place.”

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

William Holland on LinkedIn

Bigger Picture Holdings

Send Willian Holland an email

Money Tree Real Estate Investor Podcast

The Kingdom Investor Podcast on LinkedIn

About Wiliam Holland

William Holland is the founder and CEO of Bigger Picture Holdings LLC, a real estate investment company headquartered in Dallas, TX, that focuses on acquiring value-add multifamily properties.

William specializes in educating investors about the advantages of passively investing in commercial real estate through syndication. William previously was on Balfour Beatty’s Pre-Construction team helping develop budgets for upcoming large residential and commercial projects totaling over 2 billion dollars. His first role in Balfour Beatty was managing over $20 million worth of construction planning, execution, and quality control on a 26-story skyscraper.

William has a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from Texas A&M University. He enjoys playing basketball, cycling, camping, serving at church, and spending time with friends and family. The most important thing in his life is his relationship with Jesus and his seeking to glorify God in all that he does.

Transcript

EPISODE 65

[INTRODUCTION]

ANNOUNCER: Imagine taking your generosity to the next level, impacting more lives, and leaving a godly legacy for generations to come. Get ideas and strategies to do just that when you listen to these personal stories from high-level Kingdom champions.

The Kingdom Investor Podcast showcases business leaders who have moved from success to significance, sharing how they use worldly wealth for kingdom impact. Discover how they grew in generosity, impacted more lives, and built godly legacies. You'll find motivation, inspiration, and practical steps to grow as a Kingdom Investor.

Daniel White (DW):  Hello, and welcome to The Kingdom Investor Podcast. This is your host, Daniel White. Thanks for joining us as we interview William Holland. William is the founder of Bigger Pockets Holdings. In this episode, we hear William’s story and discuss the religion versus relationship challenge. If you enjoy the show, follow us on LinkedIn at The Kingdom Investor Podcast. You can help us reach more listeners by sharing with your friends and leaving us a review. And now without further ado, let's jump right into the show. 

[INTERVIEW]

DW: William, welcome to The Kingdom Investor Podcast. How are you doing today?

Wiliam Holland (WH):  I'm doing really good, man. Excited to be here.

DW:  Yeah, I'm excited to hear your story and get to know you a little bit better. Would you tell us maybe just a little bit about like where you're coming to us from geographically? And just a little bit of what you have going on right now?

WH:  Definitely. Yes, sir. So, I live in Dallas, Texas these days. I've been here almost four years now. I was born and raised in Texas. And I think it's probably the best state in the US. I have to say, hey I love America. Love where I'm from. So, I grew up in a small town in Texas with about 20,000 people. We just got our first Chick-fil-A this year. That was like a January 1 kind of thing. So, we're pretty big time now.

DW:  Yeah, I was gonna say that's pretty, like pretty typical of most Texans to say that right? Like, that's a thing, Texas is best, right?

WH:  Yeah, that's what we say at least.

DW:  Okay, so what's, uh, maybe what's a highlight from this week? Or maybe an interesting project you've been working on?

WH:  Yeah, so I quit my job. About two months ago, I was doing construction management got to build a 26-storey building, and got to work on 14 projects totaling over $2 billion of like upcoming construction. So, I love that. I love the company. But I quit my job to do real estate syndication similar to your full-time. So, the biggest thing, highlight, over the last week is I was in Salt Lake City last week for a real estate conference, the Best Ever Conference, there was over 1000 people there. And I host my own podcast, as I'm sure you know. And it was cool because I got to meet a lot of my guests in person for the first time while I was there. So that was pretty amazing.

DW:  Yeah, that is really interesting. So, tell me a little bit more about the 26-story building, what role did you play in doing that?

WH:  So, my title was project engineer. And so, I was there's kind of two sides of construction management. There's like the superintendent side who's overseeing the work and the workers. And then there's the project management side that's overseeing the documentation, the drawings, the design, and the finances. And so, I was the lowest man on the project management side of things. But I got to manage about $20 million worth of construction related to mechanical systems, electrical plumbing, because my background was in mechanical engineering, they kind of pushed me into that role.

DW:  Gotcha. Well, that's really cool. I grew up in construction. So, it's really fascinating to me, you know, how they even build that big of buildings and different things, so and the complexities of that and, and having to manage that and everything. So, would you mind praying for us before we jump into a little bit more of your story?

WH:  Certainly. Yeah. Dear God, I just want to come before You, just want to worship You. I want to praise you God and just You are worthy of praise and worship God, and I just pray for this time that Daniel and I have recorded this episode building a stronger friendship and relationship, God, and just getting to share more of what you've done in our lives. God, I just pray that it blesses the listeners and that both of us are encouraged as well God, and that through this conversation we will just be better equipped to serve you and show Your love to those whom we encounter, God. We love You so much. And we are so grateful for Your Son Jesus and the Gospel message that's given us hope, God. In Jesus’ Name, amen.

DW:  Amen. All right, William, give us some highlights from your maybe childhood and growing up and then how you got to where you are.

WH:  Yeah, so my mom, she's been a realtor and a broker for about 15 years now. So, I was always around that my dad's been in construction as well. So, he didn't actually go to college, he's been hands-on, he does a lot of concrete finishing. So, digging ditches, carrying the steel, pouring the concrete moving the concrete around, so I got to help him a couple of summers. And I think that was what he used as motivation for me to go to college. So, I wouldn't have to do all that hard work, like he's done his whole career. But it was great growing up in a small town, you know, I had the same people I went through, like started first grade with all the way through 12th grade. You know, so we knew everybody, you know, which isn't a good and bad thing, I guess. But one positive is that you get to participate in as many activities as you possibly want or have time for, you know, whereas in a lot of bigger schools, you have to really specialize if you want to make the team or make the, you know, the band or choir. So, I did tennis my senior year, I did choir my senior year, I had always wanted to, but, you know, there's something that I had in my head of, you know, those people are, you know, not like me or whatever. But I made better friends with the choir people than I did with the athletes actually. And then I did, I did cross country, I did track one year as well. And then I did basketball, all four years of high school. So, I enjoyed growing up in a small town, you know that we have a university there. So, we do have a lot of good restaurants, and a lot of fun stuff to do. But I did a lot of fishing, a lot of bike riding, hunting, going to church, all that good stuff.

DW:  So yeah, unpack that maybe a little bit more. Can you share about your faith journey?

WH:  Absolutely. So, I grew up in the Church of Christ. So went to church every Sunday morning, went to church every Sunday evening, went to church on Wednesdays, you know, and I would say that myself personally, you know, grew up around, you know, believers and people that were truly seeking God. But I think that my focus and you know, just engineer’s minds, you know, I want to do everything really well, I was a perfectionist, and, you know, really focused on myself. So, I would say I probably was more devout than a lot of, you know, people my age, you know, I, I was trying to always memorize scripture from an early age and read the Bible, like every day. And, you know, in high school and junior high, I tried to lead Bible studies in the locker room, or, like, have one-on-one Bible studies and like, talk about Jesus. And so, you know, I was very passionate about that. And I ended up, giving my life to Jesus, being baptized my freshman year of high school, so I was about 14. And I remember very clearly, sophomore year, you know, freshman year, I would say, I probably lift a lot more for myself, you know, a lot more, you know, wanting just popularity, and wanting to make people laugh, and being willing to do, you know, there, there was blurred lines, you know, what I would say and do to make people laugh and to be liked. And, you know, after becoming a Christian and giving my life to Jesus, I remember very clearly, one of my friends literally told me, it's like, Man, you've changed, you know, and it was like, that was a negative thing. You know, it's like, I had changed, and I wasn't as funny, you know, or maybe I wasn't as popular or well-liked. And at that point in time, you know, I was still a teenager, I realized the change, but and I certainly didn't like it, but I didn't really know exactly where it was coming from. But ultimately, I would say like, that was God working on me, and starting to chip away at my selfish ways, and my own desires.

DW:  So, at what point did you come into a personal relationship with God through Jesus?

WH:  So, you know, we talked about that earlier? You know, and, and it's, it's hard to say, it really is. I mean, you know, after our conversation, I said, you know, during our conversation, previously, I said, like, probably in the last few years, and then I thought about, I was like, man, like, I feel like I've had a relationship with him a lot longer than that. But, you know, I think I think what I can say is like, ultimately, like, before, you know, that real relationship like my goal, and my desire was to make people look more like me to meet people in their beliefs, their attitude, you know, maybe some of the disciplines like I want them to look more like me. And I found scriptures to back up things that maybe weren't true. And I would, you know, be very aggressive and, you know, Bible bash, I don't know if I ever did that. But you know, that's something similar to how I approached, you know, evangelism and talking to people. And what I can say now is like, that's, you know, I'm a sinner, I'm saved by grace, you know, I truly am a wicked person. I mean, you know, I want to, I want to live my own way, I want to do my own things. And ultimately, you know, it's only by God's grace and Jesus's sacrifice, that I am a new person, I have a new life in Jesus. And because of that, it's no longer me seeking to make people or their faith or their lifestyle look more like me, but rather just to share God's love with them. And, you know, with the hope and the intention of them looking more like Jesus and, and loving him more and developing a first-time relationship with him or a more authentic and vulnerable relationship with Him.

DW:  All right, yeah. And I think we were talking a little bit about just the difference between, you know, kind of growing up in a Christian culture, we can really focus on works, and focus on doing good things, and being a good person. And it's easy to think that that's what saves us and, you know, really understanding the difference between religion and relationship and understanding that, you know, it's not, it's not our doing good things, or our religion, or our, you know, being a religious person that saves us, it's Jesus dying on a cross and being merciful and making a way for us to be reconnected and reunited and for our sins to be paid, that, that's what makes the difference. That's, that's what our salvation hangs on. And then out of that kind of grows this fruit of good works and everything. So, can you maybe speak to that a little bit in your own life? And kind of maybe how you've seen that?

WH:  Definitely, yeah, you know, and I mean, I completely, I think you've very well describes what that supposed to look like, you know, and for me, I read, not to elevate myself above other people, you know, but just to add a little more clarity. So, one of my goals, before I graduated high school, was to read the entire Bible, Old Testament, and entire New Testament as well. And I ended up we had a project graduation. So that's where you, you know, after your actual graduation, you go to a location, you know, you stay up all night, you know, spend time together, and it's supposed to keep people safe, or, you know, from drinking and those types of things. And so, I did that. And then I ended up getting back to my house at 6 am, I had a few chapters of Psalm left. So that was going to be the last book that I ran, I kind of read out of order. And I watched the sunrise and ended up finishing Psalm. So technically, the day after I graduated, I completed reading the Bible for the first time, you know, but, I mean, I, I've read the Bible, you know, numerous times, front to back, and like I, you know, I've started Bible studies and like, I've done all of these things, you know, but like, it's, it's never enough, I can never do enough good to, you know, merits. Me being a good person, you know, or anything like that. And, you know, I even I didn't share this with very many people before, but, you know, like, one time I just prayed, like, you know, I want to be like, more, like, more like Jesus than anybody else. You know, and like, honestly, like, there's like, some good in that, but like, God just really rebuked me in that. And he was like, hey, like, like, you will never be anything like Jesus. Like, that's basically like, what he shared with me as like, like, Jesus is perfect. And like, you can't be perfect. You know? And like, that was humbling, you know, and it just, it just made me love God, and Jesus more because of that.

DW:  Yeah. Yeah. And it's amazing to know that He looks at us through what Jesus has done. And we are completely righteous from that perspective. And so, you know, even though we can't actually like, be perfect, we are seen as perfect through the blood of Jesus. So, share a little bit more about your story and kind of how that leads into what you're doing now.

WH:  Definitely. So, you know, I've taken a lot of big steps of faith. I would say, you know, every time some massive, you know, opportunity is opened up. It is it's been it's always had a time on it, you know, it's okay. And the next two weeks, you got to do this. And so, I think that started with me for the first time when I ended up transferring to Texas A&M. And so basically, like, I got denied, and I won't go into all the details I've talked about before, but I got denied. And so, Texas A&M to transfer. And then through God opening a door, I ended up getting accepted. After my initial deny. And I had basically about three weeks to like, unenroll from the college I was going to be attending. This was like, early August, when all of this went down, you know, and school starts, like mid to late August. So, I had to unenroll I had to find a place to live, I had to find a new church, move to a new town three hours away, and get all my books and get all that stuff. And, you know, that was a step of faith. And I didn't have to have it all figured out. But I knew like God, it opened that door most certainly. And I was just gonna step out on faith. So, I think that was the first time I really did step out in faith in a big way. And I would say like, every, you know, there's like, every, like three years, I'm given another open door like that. 

So, when I graduated, I was moving to Houston. And I didn't even have to have a place to live like a week before my job started. And I started like just calling random churches in Houston. All in all my friends, nobody had anything. And this, this guy called me out of the blue that I left a message at the church and was like, hey, like, we've never had anybody call us before about needing a roommate. And we've never had anybody within the church, ask about needing a roommate. And then you called today, and we had somebody reached out today. And he's like, I think this is a God thing. So, I mean, that door opened and you know, it's just like, that's how I live my life. You know, God opens doors. And, you know, it's not, it's not that he's given me the whole plan or anything like that. But he's just saying, hey, like, no matter, no matter where I lead you, like, I'm going to take care of you. And, you know, if you step out in faith, like, I can share his life with other people, you know, and share my story. And like, that's, I think that God, God calls everybody to step out in faith, you know, in some intimate, like, from our perspective, you know, maybe it's a big way, or maybe it's a small way, but from God's perspective, like he doesn't, he doesn't compare, like big and small. And the way that we do you know, he just, he just asked for our heart, our relationship with Him, and then that we just let him lead.

DW:  So how did you get into real estate?

WH:  So, as I mentioned a little bit earlier, so my mom has always been in real estate, my dad's always been in construction. And so long term, I've always wanted to do business, I had a lawn mowing business, started that when I was in junior high. So, you know, 12 to 14, started that kind of expanded that and grew, you know, got better equipment, got a trailer, got a pickup, got some employees, and, you know, more yards and really grew that. And obviously, I loved mowing, and I really could truly do that full time, I think. But I think that, you know, some of the gifts that God has given me, that might not be like the best utilization of them. And so, I've, I've always wanted to be in business. And I was just thinking, like, you know, how does, like, how does my mom's skill, my dad's skill? Like, the things that I could bring to the table? Like, how could that, you know, be unified, so like, build a team? And, you know, I think that we could be, you know, doing some construction projects ourselves and continuing to do renovation, slave flips, probably like eight to 10 houses, when I was a kid, we lived in it for a couple of years, and then move on to the next one. 

And so ultimately, I think that, you know, that's why I got into construction management is because I wanted to be a developer and like, I want to, like help, you know, my parents out and like, help them have a retirement and be able to give back. And so that's kind of why did construction and, and also I quit my job about two months ago, you know, truly as another step of faith, you know, because ultimately, I would say like real estate, you know, that's my, that's my ministry. And we talked about it before but just started a virtual Bible study this week. So that's Monday nights, 7:30 to 7:45 Central, and it's, it's via zoom, you know, so we're studying Hebrews, and we're just going through the Bible, you know, verse by verse, we're talking about the gospel, we're praying together. And, you know, that's, that's something that's recorded, but that's something that I do try to see, you know, in my interactions with people across the nation, you know, as I talk about real estate is, you know, Hey, I am a believer in Jesus, you know, and like, I'm not here to sell that like I'm not a salesman for Jesus. But I can speak to like what I've seen and heard and experienced and how it's changed my life and how I'm a different person. You know, so that's ultimately that's why I'm I'm doing real estate is because it's, it's an open door to be open about my faith and who God is. 

DW: And what are you focusing on in real estate? 

WH: In real estate, I'm focusing on multifamily syndication. So just helping educate investors, you know, I believe that, you know, we talked about this before, too, but that we're stewards of the things that God has given us, you know, and that includes, that includes our time, that includes our relationships, our resources, our money, our skills, you know, everything that God has given us, like, it's all encompassing, you know, and we're supposed to steward that well, and I think that one thing that a lot of believers are afraid of, is, you know, finances, then, you know, the, the concern of love of money and those types of things, but ultimately, you know, money is just a resource. And so, I'm seeking to help educate people on how they can utilize their money to grow their wealth, you know, and also promote God's love through that as well. So, focusing on, you know, pulling investor money together to buy apartment complexes,

DW:  And what is your vision for that?

WH:  So, I really, you know, I've kind of got, like, the first year planned out, you know, and there's, there's just so much that goes into that. And, you know, so the first year, like, I would like to be able to help like, 40 to 50 families gain some exposure to real estate. So that's kind of the quantifiable portion, I really liked, you know, what we had talked about previously, as well, I, I haven't really thought about long term about, you know, the different opportunities to, to give back. But I think you mentioned the term like kingdom, and I know, that's pretty much the name of the podcast, like Kingdom investing and impact investing. And so, some of the things I've, I wrote this down in my journal, I think, over a year ago now, but, you know, I even see, like an apartment complex, that being like, a field and an environment for evangelism. You know, I know, there's like a lot of like, department ministries, with churches, but I think in addition to that, and, you know, I'm kind of like a co-general partner, right now on the deals that I'm a part of, so I'm, I haven't put any deals together myself, you know, focusing on asset management and raising money. But Lord willing, like, at some point, I could, you know, do my own deals and, and put that together. And so something that I think would be really awesome is like offering free units to like, a young married couple, and then like, you know, a married couple with kids, and then like, a college student, you know, and then, like, an elderly couple, and so you kind of have all those demographics, you know, to be like, a way Hey, like, I'm gonna let you live here for free, and like, you know, use this as an opportunity to share the gospel with those that you live with and build relationships with. So, I don't know, you know if or when that will ever become a reality. But that is something I think would be really awesome for the kingdom as well.

DW:  Yeah, that's really good. All right. So, I have a fun question. For us, what is the greatest investment that you've ever made? And this can be financial or otherwise?

WH:  You know, I think, you know, as much as that is cliche, I think just investing in myself, and then, you know, willing to take a chance. I mean, I stepped away from a job and, you know, for a global company making really good money. And, you know, my business has not broken even yet, contrary to popular opinion. You know, I talk to people that think, you know, because I bought, you know, a multi-million-dollar apartment complex like that I'm super wealthy, and that is not the truth. But yeah, just education, you know, whether that's going to college, and I would say even, maybe education outside of college is even more valuable to be honest with you. But I think the biggest investment is just yeah. myself and, and the knowledge.

DW:  And how have you seen in your own journey, your growth in generosity?

WH:  So I think something, you know, that's important to me is, is giving back financially. So, I would say that I've, I've been very generous, even from an early age, you know, as a little kid with my time, I think time, you know, obviously, like, we can give back our finances. And I believe, like, obviously, we shouldn't be doing that, you know, we should give generously of the money that we have. But I think something that a lot of us, especially in the U.S., and you know, more wealthy areas, it's like, oh, we can just, you know, give money to the church or give money to these things. And I talked about this all the time with my roommates and my friends. You know, and not to get all political, but you know, there's so South Dallas is generally like an area, you know, of like poverty. It's an area of people of color, you know, Hispanics, African Americans. And like I do, I do go and serve and give a lot of my time, you know, to those people, but I think, you know, just finding, finding that place where we can really serve and build relationships. Like, that's where our real generosity and that's where real change takes place. I think that you see that in the ministry of Jesus. And, you know, there's so many problems that plague our society today. And it's so easy to watch the news and complain about it, or, you know, throw some money at the problem and think that we're fixing it. But I think that, you know, real change happens when we get off the couch. And we go and we serve, you know, whether that's Big Brothers, Big Sisters, or mentoring little kids, or even like, you know, offering assistance to people our age or going to visit, like nursing homes, you know, like, I've, I've always thought, like, from an early age to do all of those things. And I think that's a big air of generosity.

DW:  And then I have one other question for you around this generosity topic. So, one of the things that I've seen, like in my own life is, it's really easy for me to think, in future terms, and say, Well, you know, I'm going to be really, really generous. Like, once I make it, you know, whatever that is, and I, I guess, negate the amount of resources or time or talent that I already have. And so, it's easy for me to overlook the stewardship of what I already have. And so, I think one of the things I've learned recently is just to look at, okay, how, how am I being faithful with what I have now? And, maybe, you know, you know, you being early in this kind of journey into real estate how are you being faithful with what you have now and stewarding that for God's kingdom?

WH:  Certainly, yeah, I think that's a wonderful question. You know, as far as, as far as the finances go, you know, especially since quitting my job, you know, that's been something that I know I, I need to be more open-handed with, you know, I think it's easy just to trust in that, that wealth and that comfort, especially when there isn't money coming in. And, and I am convicted of that, you know, I haven't given as much as I would like to, or probably as much as I'm called to, you know, in the recent past, you know, that's something like, I'll just be real with you. Now, I'm not a perfect person, either. 

But I think as far as the relationships go, you know, something that I pray pretty consistently, it's like, God just like, opened my eyes and helped me to be more aware of like, the, the areas and the people and the relationships I should be spending my time on, you know, because I don't know, where I'm supposed to be all the time, or what I'm supposed to be doing, or like you're not supposed to be building relationships with. And, you know, especially in this business, like we come across, you know, probably like tens to hundreds of people in a given month. And obviously, we can't build relationships with too many of those people, and be authentic in that. And so, that's just a prayer of mine. You know, for me, I'm, I'm house hacking right now. So that was, that was a way to kind of ease the burden of responsibility and mortgage and those payments, you know, but it's, that's ultimately a ministry as well. You know, so there's four guys living in here besides myself. And, you know, we get to pray, I mean, 30 minutes before we started this podcast, you know, we got to get to pray with one of the guys and we just talked about, you know, things that we're going through. And, you know, I think that's how I try to spend my time it's just being really intentional about conversations and also being willing to ask, ask tough questions and, and very direct questions. You know, I think it's easy for us, you know, especially like, you know, the guilt and the shame of sin. You know, we it's a reason there's a reason why we feel bad about when we mess up, you know, I think you'll see that and even in Adam and Eve were the original Sam like they wanted to hide from God. But God loves us so much that, you know, he's always seeking, you know, and that's one way that we emulate Jesus and share God's love is by seeking out those who are struggling and you know, asking good questions and loving them and ultimately, like, like, just praying for them. 

You know, I think that's the way that my, my ministry and my shepherding of other people has changed in addition to me you know, not wanting them to look so much like me or be concerned about that anymore. You know, in the past, I'm a doer, you know, I want to do, do, do, I want to get stuff done, I want to see results. And that definitely trickled over. And it continues to trickle over into my ministry and the way that I talk to people, you know, it's like, well, okay, you have this problem, like, let's fix it, like, what's the step-by-step plan to get this thing overcome, you know, and like, that's not, that's not what God calls us to do, and serving other people. You know, like, what he calls us to do is like to ask good questions to, like, genuinely care. And then, you know, to speak truth, which would be scripture, you know, to be reminded of His truth of His love and like to pray together, you know, and it's, it's after those things, I think, then, you know, through God's wisdom, you can maybe, if it's necessary, like, develop a plan of, you know, maybe here's some safeguards, like, watch out for this temptation, or like, here's some, you know, here's some healthy habits, you know, but it's like, that's not our, that's not our first remedy in those situations, so God, I mean, God's doing the work on me, and I'm just thankful for all that.

DW:  So, before we enter the mentor, minute, is there anything else that you want to share with our audience?

WH:  I think I've covered it. It's been a great episode.

DW:  So, the next question is, who is the most influential person that you know, and how have they impacted you?

WH:  So, you know, I'm gonna use two people. So, one is my dad. He's just, he's a man, he loves the Lord. You know, and, and I'm just grateful for the, the guidance and just the example that he's provided, you know, and it's been, it's been really cool to see, you know, even him, you know, in the last five years, like, God has continued to do a work on him as well. And, you know, he's, he's growing in his faith, and that's just really awesome to see. And I would say that. 

The other one is a guy named Michael Hight. So he was actually on the project, the 26-storey building that I got to build, and just a man of faith, you know, I've, I've not met many other people that take their, their faith and their relationship with Jesus as seriously. And I think it was just, it was just really timely for me, you know, because when I started that project, you know, is, I mean, I am very ambitious, you know, and that's just the part of my personality and who I think that God has created me to be, but because of that, you know, it's easy to have your, your own selfish goals and desires to take, take the paramount lead in your decision making, and to live, to live for yourself, you know, I live in Dallas, there's a lot of wealth. Everywhere that I look, you know, and it's easy to fall into the trap of wanting that. And he just, he just loved me well, and challenged me in a lot of ways, you know, of how to be a good steward and, you know, to develop a healthy and pure, holistic view of, of my money and my time and my resources and, and all those things and just really appreciate him.

DW:  All right. Tell us briefly about your podcast that you host.

WH:  Certainly, yeah. So, my podcast is called The Money Tree Real Estate Investor Podcast. Unfortunately, there's a top 100 podcast called The Money Tree podcast. That's a little difficult to find mine. Sometimes. We might be rebranding and changing the name sometime in the near future. But we interview real estate investors, realtors, truly anybody can be on there as long as they've made money from real estate in some capacity. So, it's not just investors. It's not just syndicators. I just interviewed my I just did my first in-person live interview with a guy last week at the real estate conference. They had a podcast booth setup. And he's a developer. Really awesome story. So yeah, we've had land developers we've had, like house hackers, we've had fix and flippers, just a wide, wide variety of people on there. And, you know, I spent a few minutes just shining the spotlight on those guests and hearing their stories similar to what we did during this episode. And then we dive into more technical real estate, things like what they're doing, where they'd like to go. And I think something that we always want to end on. You know, I think it's really important to caution people with investing. No, it's not all roses, and there are certainly scams and, you know, bad deals that have happened. And so, I always want to like to talk about those things. But we always end on a really positive note of talking about like their proudest accomplishment, whether that's their family, or real estate, something in real estate. But it's honestly one of my favorite things to do. It's been really cool.

DW:  That's really neat. That's a good, good question. What are you most proud of? I like that. All right, how can we be praying for you in this season?

WH:  Certainly, yes. So, need a lot of prayers, as always, definitely be praying over the Bible study that we started this week. So, we had 10 people join from across the nation, which was really awesome. A few of them I've already built a relationship with but several of them I didn't personally know, just, you know, praying over that, that that will be fruitful for God's Kingdom. 

DW: Is that open to anyone? 

WH: That is open to anyone. Yes, sir.

DW:  How can people reach out or connect?

WH:  So, we do have an event on LinkedIn and I can certainly send you an invite, or the zoom link, at least, and you could share that with the listeners as well. 

DW:  Could someone reach out to you maybe through email? Do you have an email address?

WH:  I do. Yeah, I could definitely provide that, william@biggerpictureholdings.com. I can send you that as well. You know, that's been something that's been on my heart for probably six months. And, you know, I found a lot of, there's a lot of people in the real estate space, actually, that are believers in Jesus. And, you know, just getting a lot of encouragement there. But ultimately, like, that is a responsibility, you know, because I want to speak truth. And so just, you know, the way that I prepare for that, and then also, just with the business and you know, the relationships that I'm trying to make and build that. I mean, I can just trust in God. And whatever happens, happens.

DW:  Yeah, that's really good, I'm really excited to see what God does with this virtual Bible study in this day and age, and just how cool those things can be. So, all right, let me pray for us. And then we'll close out the episode. 

God, I thank You for William. Thank You for his heart, for living for You, working for You. Lord, I pray that You would watch over him, that You'd guide him that You’d give him wisdom. Lord, I pray for everyone listening that we would really take to heart what You teach us through Your word and how Your Holy Spirit speaks to us. I pray that we would obey You and that we would live for You, glorifying You with our lives. In Christ's Name, we pray, amen. 

Thank you, guys, for listening to another episode of the kingdom investor podcast. We'll catch you next time. Until then have a great time.

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