Ep.56 Scripture Invites Intimacy

What does reading my Bible have to do with my friendships?

Quite a lot, actually. Turns out that what we consume has a great deal to do with what we pour out. On this episode, Kimber and Meghan dig into how being in Scripture on our own and with friends can deepen our relationships.

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Kimber: 0:09

Hey friends. Welcome to the, your sister Kimber podcast. My name is Kimberly Gilbert, and I'm so glad you're here. It might seem pretty obvious why we should read our Bible more, to grow in our relationship with the Lord. But how does getting into scripture impact our friendships? Today, I'm talking with Megan frable who is guest co-hosting with me for the summer series called being the Fred. You need about how reading scripture impacts our ability to be a good friend And how getting into scripture with our friends can bless those relationships. I hope this conversation gets those ideas flowing to help you grow authentic community in your own life. That Honors God and draws you closer to Jesus. I wish we could all get together over coffee and talk this out today, but this is the next best thing. I'm so glad you're here, friend. Let's get started. Please welcome back our series guest cohost, Megan frable today. How's it. Go vacant.

Meghan: 1:07

Good. How are you, Kimber?

Kimber: 1:08

Yeah, I'm good. Thanks again so much for doing this with me. It's been so fun so far, just hearing your perspective and just your wisdom on these topics. I, as I was listening back and doing editing, um, I told you there a day, but I was feeling so convicted. I was like, oh my gosh, this is so good. I'm like, You're preaching at me. So thank you for

Meghan: 1:27

Oh, same.

Kimber: 1:28

with us.

Meghan: 1:29

Oh Yeah, I'm, I'm loving it. It's been really great for me too.

Kimber: 1:32

I love it. Especially, because I feel like these kinds of conversations are like my sweet spot, because love like talking about faith stuff. and I don't mind small talk, but if I could just like start conversations with like, instead of the, get to know you stuff that we all go through. If I could just be like, tell me about how you met Jesus. would love that. It's so much more interesting to me. I feel like, but. Um, do you feel like you're that way or are you more of a small talk clever?

Meghan: 1:59

Uh, no. I like, I like to go deep. No, I like to go deep. Yeah. I think that, I mean, there's a sometimes where it's a time and place for the small talk and add that. in, but I definitely can be a little bit aggressive with deep questions.

Kimber: 2:13

I love that we were like, okay, we're going there.

Meghan: 2:16

Yeah.

Kimber: 2:17

That's my favorite. I love that. Well, we are a few episodes into our summer series here at the podcast. It's called being the friend you need. And I really feel like there's two sides of this, um, that we've been talking about here. One is that we should be mindful of the people that we're letting speak into our lives, right? Like the kind of friend that I need in my life is someone who's going to pour into me, more of Jesus, right? Because that's what they're pursuing more and more. And we talked about this a bunch, because I want to be clear on it. Like I'm going to have friends who don't do that. and that's okay. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to like go to them when I'm struggling or like for advice or like in my hardest moments. but for the people that are like my close circle, they should be pursuing Jesus if that's what I'm pursuing. Right. If that's what I want to be spoken back into me. That's what I should be pursuing, but I think the flip side of it is if we're so focused on like, what are my friends giving me? What are they pouring into me then it's kind of a ignoring the log in your own eye kind of issue or situation. Right? Because if I'm only focusing on that, then I'm going to miss the opportunity of like, how can I lead the way in growing in these areas of my walk with Jesus. And so, I feel like it's like, we kind of flip that script a bit of, not so much. Focusing on. How are my friends meeting my needs. but how can I start just by being that friend that I really know that I need in my own life as well. How have you seen this, idea play out in your life of flipping that script from me focused and like, how are my friends meeting my needs too? How can I, start with myself and pour out through my friendships and have that be when I'm focusing on.

Meghan: 4:00

Yeah, that's such a good question. Um, I think it starts, Yeah. with leading the way and. Not that you wanna give so that you can get something in return. But in a way it's that stepping out and being vulnerable I think and saying, this is kind of something I want, but I also need to be the one that's pursuing that and going after that. Cuz I feel like a lot of the times if we wanna sit back and be the wallflower, like times outta 10 people aren't gonna be wanting to come. To us, that doesn't always happen. And so it really does start with us taking the initiative and then that can be so hard cuz not for everyone. That's not Like. their thing. They would rather be the come to me people.

Kimber: 4:38

Totally. I think we all would, right.

Meghan: 4:41

Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, it's not reality. Like the fact is it's probably not gonna happen. And so you taking that brave step, if that's something that's not easy for you. To do, make the ask to be the pursuer. You are gonna start to get that back in return. Maybe not right away, but you will more than just waiting for people to come to you.

Kimber: 5:03

Yeah, I love the brave step is for sure. I think true for, for so many of us. And, even if it's like maybe comes a little bit easier, I still think it takes sometimes just like the act of practicing that muscle almost of, leading the way in that. But I love one thing that I love about this series is that, it's even like just practicing the muscle of what were. Working on to grow in our relationship with Jesus and just like, okay, how can I bring this into the realm, my friendships. Um, and so far we've talked about prayer, and both the personal side and the intercession side and, just how we can like make. I think so often spiritual practices get relegated to like, you know, your one-on-one relationship with the Lord, which is of course a big part of it. but how can we bring this into the area of our friendships? And, so I think it's like, again, that muscle being practiced is like, okay, I'm, I'm working on this in relationship with the Lord now, how can it spill into other areas of my life? And so I feel like part of it too, that can help with that. branching out or like being brave in those moments is like, if it's growing in my personal life with the Lord, then I feel like that can sometimes, it can be like an overflow even into the rest of our life, rather than it just being like, okay, I've got to like muscle up and do this, but when it's just an overflow, I think that can, I don't know, give us some, like, Behind our efforts as well. And that's kind of what we've been focusing on in this series is, is how we can shift that focus from, okay, I'm going to do this so that I can be a good friend, but just how does what I'm already growing with the Lord? How does that. Flow out into my relationships

Meghan: 6:44

Yes. Yeah,

Kimber: 6:44

And so today we're talking about this idea of like digging into scripture, reading scripture, um, with our friends, how just like this. Part of spiritual formation, which like we talked about all the time, read your Bible, right. But how does this, impact our friendships? Because I really think it does in my experience. So I'm interested to hear your perspective on this too. Um, let's start with just like the vertical side. Like how have you seen regularly reading the Bible, deepen your relationship with God? Because I feel like that relationship is our model for then the horizontal relationships all around us. So. It seems like a given read your Bible, but you know, I think it's important to talk about how do we see this bearing fruit? So how have you seen that?

Meghan: 7:29

Well, I think too, like for most of us, cuz not all of us have gotten to hear the audible speaking voice of God, but like this is the way that we get to talk to God and he gets to talk to us and this is such a huge part of that is, you know, the word is living and active and so getting into the word is really a main flow of communication that we get to have with. With our friend with with Jesus. And so for me, that's been the biggest. impact it. I know that when I'm in the word, I feel like I'm a better wife, I'm a better mom, I'm a better friend, I'm a better believer. And when I step out of that, I definitely start to feel kind of the effects of not having that vertical connection with God. And so reading my Bible is such an integral part of my relationship cuz it really is like that kind of life source in a way of. that connection with God.

Kimber: 8:23

Yeah. When we were having our conversation about prayer, we talked about just how, like I think that prayer in that regard can sometimes feel hard for me because I don't have. The literal, like person talking

Meghan: 8:35

Yes.

Kimber: 8:37

And so I love that you bring up that Like the backtalk is scripture. And so if we're the more we're in that. I feel like the more we have a clear idea of what the voice of God sounds like. And that's where I think you really can start to in your prayer life. feel like it is a more back and forth conversation because you're familiar with with God's character and what his voice sounds like, because you've read his word.

Meghan: 9:02

You've read his word? Yep.

Kimber: 9:03

And R immersed in it. Like I heard someone say one time. This idea that I have always loved, that they wanted to have. They want to have a scripture saturated imagination. Where it's like everything that you think about from your thoughts to like your prayer life, to just the way that you, um, I don't know, dream is like saturated in scripture and I loved that idea and I think about that a

Meghan: 9:28

That was beautiful.

Kimber: 9:29

it takes, but it takes like a long time. Like you can't get. Uh, scripture saturated imagination and like worldview and perspectives. You can't get that like overnight or in like a 30 day reading plan. Like it's, it's a long game. And so it's like, that's both encouraging and that I don't have to feel like I have it all together right away, but also it can feel like, you know, oh, I just want to quick check off, but that's not really the way it works. I don't think.

Meghan: 9:56

No, no, no. That's awesome. That's so beautiful. I love that.

Kimber: 10:00

Yeah. So if we're thinking of then more horizontal, cause I love that you reminded us that Jesus calls himself, our friend. And so we can think of our relationship with him in many ways as a friendship and such a good model for that. So how do you think Being. friends with someone who is reading our Bible and how does reading our Bible impact our friendships like road, but going both ways. how do you feel like you have seen the impact of reading scripture enter into the realm of friendships?

Meghan: 10:33

Oh, I think I've had so many awesome opportunities to just have like Bible studies with my friends, to, have those conversations and there is such a like, a bond, I don't know, bonding and like this intimacy that grows with your friends when you are, pursuing Christ together and really digging in and also hearing other opinions, like we're not all gonna like, read the same verse and maybe have the same, outlook on it. And so getting those different perspectives such this beautiful way of like, I get to see God speak through my friend back to me and vice versa. And so there's this amazing communication that happens and you know, or when I'm going through something and my friend's able to preach scripture back to me and say like, just remember, you know, like it becomes this horizontal and vertical connection kind of, I feel like all at the same time, like I'm getting closer to my friend, but I'm also like leaning on Christ again. And um, so Yeah. it's greatly impacted me and there's been seasons of my life where I haven't had that and it really does feel like I'm just missing like this huge piece. Not, I don't wanna say like of my relationship with Christ, but really that community, like, it just felt like there's a piece of that puzzle that isn't quite there yet. And so it is such a key component I feel like, to our, pursuit of holiness, our walk with Christ, our relationship with him is having that community.

Kimber: 11:51

Yeah, I have heard this in regard to marriage, but I feel like it counts for friendship too. And as you were saying that I pictured, have you heard of this? Like the triangle. Metaphor where it's like, God is at the top of the triangle and we're on the two bottom corners like us. And I've usually heard in the context of marriage, but S and a spouse. And as each of us like grows closer to God, we're also growing closer to each other, across that, um,

Meghan: 12:18

That's so funny. Yeah, Justin and I used to actually have that, like on our fridge when we were

Kimber: 12:22

That's such a good

Meghan: 12:23

It said, God, me and you, and it was just that reminder of as we're growing in our own individual lives, we're actually growing closer together. So yeah, it's so true.

Kimber: 12:34

like it applies to friendship as well. And I love the, you bring up spiritual intimacy because. That was earliest. That's what I would call it. What you're talking about there. This is something that I actually an idea I hadn't really thought about until somewhat recently we were having a conversation about it in our life group, in a marriage city. And, It's just, it's true. I think even if we've never thought about the term, like spiritual intimacy before. But within a marriage or within just a friendship. there is a certain level of intimacy that comes when you can freely talk about spiritual matters. And I have heard so many people say, and I've experienced this myself too, where it's like, and it's, I think it's like what you could just kind of said of, you know, when you are friends with someone, who's not a believer. Like you can go deep on a lot of things, but I've heard so many people say the CD of like, it feels like something is missing. In my friendship. And I think a big part of it is what's missing. There is spiritual intimacy, like, you know, There's just certain things that you don't either you don't share or you don't talk about, or if you do, you just like disagree on and don't see eye to eye on. And so I feel like that does. Impact your friendships. And when you can't like go there, if you will. then you're always going to be missing something. So have you experienced that in friendships before?

Meghan: 13:55

Yeah. definitely. And I always feel like there's almost like I can't be my whole self. In a way, because there's this really big piece of me that, either they're not believers and, you know, and that's just a part that we don't, we don't necessarily agree with. Like, I have friendships where they're not believers and we're good friends, but there is like that component of, of conversations and just my outlook on life, her outlook on life. It's just gonna be different. So there is like, just kind of this little, I don't wanna say chasm, like, but there is a barrier in a way of. Of that. And I know some people get kind of weirded out by the word intimacy with friends, but it really, it really is true. Like there

Kimber: 14:32

I didn't even think of that. I'm glad you said that. Yeah. Because I guess it is kind of a right. It's usually in the realm of like a sexual relationship

Meghan: 14:39

sex. Yes,

Kimber: 14:40

Yeah.

Meghan: 14:40

exactly. Exactly. But it's true. And, um, I think it was in a marriage. context, like someone had talked about intimacy. Really it means like into me c.

Kimber: 14:49

Oh,

Meghan: 14:50

And I love that. cuz that's kind of what it is. So you're getting to really get into those Where my sin struggle is where my heart is in a lot of ways when we start to have these spiritual conversations, the good fruit and the bad fruit, and where we need to like prune and where we're flourishing and all of those things. But it really is that like intimacy and we get to do that. There is this like spirit spiritual intimacy that happens.

Kimber: 15:16

I love that. And I feel like scripture reading is such a big part of that that enables these kinds of conversations. To happen where you can grow in spiritual intimacy in your friendship. Um, because if it's like the idea of what are you consuming, right? Like if I'm watching a TV show that I love, I'm going to talk about it because you know, I'm interested in it. Or if I'm listening to a good podcast or I'm reading a good book, like we talk about what we're consuming. And so I feel like if we're consuming scripture, and allowing it to form us because it isn't just like a entertainment factor. But if we're, you know, if we are consuming it and filling our minds with it and our hearts with it, then that's going to like come out more likely, in our conversations with our friends, which is then going to give just more fodder, I think, to have those kinds of like spiritual conversations that, that won't come up otherwise. And so I feel like it's almost like. Fuel for the fire of deepening your relationship. when you're actually having stuff to talk about in that regard.

Meghan: 16:20

exactly.

Kimber: 16:21

the other thing that I love that you brought up with that was just the, biblical encouragement and advice. Uh, like what are, what is your friend? Feeding you back, right. When you're processing with them. When you are like sharing, you know, stuff that you're going through or stuff that's hard in your life. What are they giving you back? And that's like worth thinking about, especially when it's someone that's really close to you. And, um, that you really are trusting with them with your, deepest stuff. And I feel like if we know that our friends are in scripture as well, not from like a legalistic point of like, Did you read your Bible day or not, but from a point of like, I know that I can trust her advice to me, or I know that she's going to encourage me from a perspective of Jesus. Then I feel like that just increases the trust that I can have in our conversations, because I know that like, she might not be perfect in how she responds, but at least it's coming from a point. That is grounded in scripture.

Meghan: 17:25

Yeah. Yeah. And I think you're more, apt to listen to their hard truth too, you know? So, you know, because I know that they're, that they love me to be able to have that level of friendship and faith that's so deep that they're willing to tell me the hard stuff. Is a really good. you know, I have a friend, she, she lives in another state down in lower 48, but just the other day she called me and said, I need you to just like, tell me where I'm off here, like, and speak, like, not coming from, I need you to tell me I'm doing a good job, but like, I need you to tell me where I'm like missing the mark here if I am. And I'm like, okay. You know? And so she just started talking and I was like, actually, I don't think you are. And so she's like, okay. You know, but she, there's that like, I trust you enough to be able to. Speak to hard things too, and knowing that it's come from a place of wanting me to further my journey with, God and deepen that.

Kimber: 18:17

yeah, that's so good because if we don't have that. it's like, if you can't trust someone with that, then you're never going to hear it. Or if you do hear it, you're going to second. Guess it all the time.

Meghan: 18:27

Right,

Kimber: 18:28

yeah. I love that reminder of being able to receive that better

Meghan: 18:32

Mm-hmm.

Kimber: 18:32

we have trust in where it's

Meghan: 18:34

Yeah, Yeah. Having, Having, yes and no friends is a good. thing. Yeah.

Kimber: 18:38

Yeah. Mm, so good. So hard. That's hard for me, but, I see the

Meghan: 18:43

Oh, I, I'll sound easy. Yes. It's never pleasant, but it's

Kimber: 18:47

Right. Yeah. So, how do you think we do this? Let's get a little bit practical because I think it's like, it's easy to say like, oh, you and your friends should read your Bible more like. Okay, but we know we should, but, I think really what I want to look at here is like, how do we invite conversation about scripture or just invite scripture into our friendships? Like, how does this come up? Um, how do we do this? Like, how do we invite this? Because we can't control what, our friend is doing. Right. But how can we lead the way in inviting scripture and, biblical. Perspective and stuff into our conversations and our friendships.

Meghan: 19:29

Yeah. I um, I think starts with just talking about it. I mean, working in a no conversation, you know, like right now I am, um, in the middle of going through, the book of, um, I just finished acts actually. So, and I went through the book of Acts and I was watching a, Bible study by Louie Gigo on, right now media, which is awesome. Little plug out for them if you don't have it. Um, and, and so I don't know, starting with that of like, oh my gosh, hey, I just. Started this Bible study and it was just incredible the way you know, of going such a deep dive into a book. And so I think just working it into a conversation, um, be like, man, you know, I was praying that I didn't read my Bible and I just felt like, God told me this or this really stuck out to me. And I don't know, just trying to figure out a way. I think it starts with you of. Taking that step and being that person that starts it. And then you don't know what's gonna come from that of either they're gonna be like, oh Yeah. that's so cool, or I wanna do that, join you in that. but I think step, you need to step out with it. For

Kimber: 20:29

Yeah, because that invites then more of that, I think.

Meghan: 20:33

Especially for those that maybe are a little more, Yeah. Close, close to the vest. People that maybe they wanna talk about it, but they don't really. Maybe feel like It's awkward or uncomfortable, but if you just kind of take that step of like, you know, I was reading this the other day and it's really cool and, Yeah.

Kimber: 20:47

Yeah, I love the idea of just making that, not so weird.

Meghan: 20:54

Yes.

Kimber: 20:54

I don't know if it's, because I think that I grew up in, a faith environment that. Kind of just assumed that faith was very personal. and I think what that led me to conclude was that. Oh, I like, it's weird to talk about like what God is saying to me, or, you know, what I'm reading or, or whatever. But to me, that's, that's silly because like I was saying, if whatever we're consuming, like we want to talk about it because we care about it. Right. And so it's certainly not weird to talk to a friend about a TV show that I was watching, that

Meghan: 21:28

I was just gonna say that. Yeah. Yeah.

Kimber: 21:31

Yeah. And so why is it weird to, you know, talk about what we're reading a scripture or whatever. I think that many of us want it to not be weird. And so how do we make it not weird while we just start doing it? Right. We just start talking about it. And so, um, I love that idea of like leading the way in just, Hey, I want to tell you about this and yeah, it might be a little weird, especially if they don't like. No, what to say back, but again, I feel like this kind of conversation, if you start with your very closest people, practice in that super safe relationship. And then maybe someday it'll bleed out into, uh, you know, like a conversation with someone who's not a believer.

Meghan: 22:14

Right. Yeah. And I think it's okay to be like, it's weird, this is gonna sound really weird, but what do you, here's what I'm reading the Bible right now. Like, I don't know, I would just be like, this is gonna be weird. Let's

Kimber: 22:23

just name it. Yeah.

Meghan: 22:25

Yeah. And I think that's where like podcasts have been, have been so awesome too because it's so, like, it's almost, um, Second nature to me now to like share like, Hey, I just listened to this really awesome like Jenny Allen podcast and wow, this was really convicting for me. Like you should listen to it. Like even starting. with something that maybe isn't face to face yet. And then next time you see, be like, Hey, Jill's, that podcast. Like, wasn't it. so cool? I don't know,

Kimber: 22:48

Yeah.

Meghan: 22:49

ways to kind of break down those walls in small steps to get to that but there's so many ways, different ways and avenues to

Kimber: 22:56

yeah. Another one that I think can be really good, especially if you haven't really had those kinds of conversations with this friend before, but you want to, is like doing a study together or something like that, doing something together because then your. You can consume whatever it is separately. And then when you come together, you have something to talk about, like, like a podcast, you know, like that can be a great place to start. As we're talking about scripture, we're like reading scripture together. doing like a first five study or the YouVersion Bible app has studies that are

Meghan: 23:32

Bible, the Bible project

Kimber: 23:34

Right now media, like you. Like you were saying. Yeah. The bio project, like, there are so many things out there that I think just the idea of like, Hey, I'm wanting to do this. Would you have any interest in joining me? And worst cases, they'll say, no, thanks. I'm already doing something, which, okay, whatever, you know, but giving that offer. I think can be just a great way then to even have more social talk about like, just to be it's like a conversation starter. In spiritual matters because. Like I was saying at the beginning, if you sort of struggle to like, get into the deep stuff, Um, with your friend, I think it's just a matter of having a place to start, like knowing where to start. I think so many people don't know how to break that awkwardness. Of moving from like the surface level stuff to the more substantial meaty conversations. And if you're like have a shared, thing you're reading or that you're listening to, that's like an automatic. In to a spiritual conversation. And so I think that's a great way to

Meghan: 24:35

yeah, when we first moved here, I, um, started, Growing a friendship with one of my best friends now here, and one of the ways we connected was we both actually really liked Jenny Allen and there was a book that she had written called Nothing to Prove, and we both were, I was like, Hey, would you wanna like read this? And then maybe, I don't know, once a week or every other week, whatever your schedule, I was like, we get together and talk about it and, and so that's what we did and that was such, I feel like such a great way to. deep dive into our. Friendship and, you know, and sometimes it was meeting at a c a coffee shop in town, or it was like, we'd go hike and talk about it. And, um, And then that just really, I feel like, started this awesome foundation of our friendship. So, but it was, it was a little bit, we were like, Hey, I don't, you know, we were both in the season and we both really wanted someone like that and we didn't really have it, so we were able to kind of find that with each other. So it's pretty cool.

Kimber: 25:25

That's beautiful. Yeah. I love it. You just got to ask this where it starts.

Meghan: 25:29

Yep.

Kimber: 25:30

absolutely. Well, friends listening, we have been wrapping up these summer series with, uh, just a challenge for Megan of how to like, take these. ideas and make them. Reality and perhaps start to practice them in our lives because I feel like that's something for me that's so important is I can talk about an idea all day, but then actually going out and doing something about it, making it real is where sometimes I need that extra push. So, um, Megan has been giving us some good ideas for ways to make this stuff practical. So what are you thinking regarding. I'm reading scripture. What comes to

Meghan: 26:06

Yeah, so this week's challenge is for you? to step out and get weird and ask, um, text or call or when you're with a friend, share with a friend something that you've been reading in the Bible that's really.

Kimber: 26:19

Hm.

Meghan: 26:20

spoken to, or if it's a book that you're reading that is, Christ-centered, something like that. To get the ball rolling and to, um, yeah, just something that's impacted you reading the word this week and step out with that and, and then ask what, you know, maybe they'll follow what this is what I've been learning or what have you been reading that. stuck out.

Kimber: 26:37

Yeah, I love that. I think the, the line that has helped me start to bring these kinds of things up is like, um, I was reading the other day or something like that, like, so I was reading something that was interesting or. I was reasonably, I was convicting, like, I think sometimes it sounds weird to us, like, let. Or like maybe a little, um, Arrogant or something or braggy like, oh, I was reading my Bible and. You know, but it really doesn't need to be weird. Just talk about it as like something that you're reading and, then just share, I think a little bit with how it impacted you. And then I love the turnaround question. what have you been reading lately

Meghan: 27:15

Mm-hmm.

Kimber: 27:15

Or even if you want them to talk more about that, maybe if you don't want to put the pressure on, What do you think of that? Or have you ever read that part or something like that? Can just invite them then to

Meghan: 27:26

exactly. Yep.

Kimber: 27:28

Uh, I love it. Well, thanks so much for hanging out today. Megan friends listening. I hope that this inspires you to go take these conversations to either your couch or your hikes, like Megan was saying, or a coffee date. but to start to invite scripture into your conversations with your friends,

Meghan: 27:46

Yes. We'll see ya.

Kimber: 27:47

Bye.

Meghan: 27:48

Bye.

Kimber: 27:52

Friends. I'm so glad you could join me and Megan on the show this week. Getting into scripture with my friends has been such a blessing to me and I pray this conversation gives you some ideas for how to start leading into this area with your friends. And for why this can be something that fosters so much good spiritual intimacy with your people. Speaking of spiritual intimacy. If you're loving this series so far, would you tell a friend about the podcast this week? Just shoot her a DM with a post from social or a text or an episode link and ask her if she listened so that you guys can talk about it. The next time you hang out. This is a great way to jumpstart that spiritual intimacy in your friendship in a way that is pretty low threat, but will hopefully lead to some opportunities to express where you'd like to go deeper in your faith in community with that friend. And I know how busy summer can get. So make sure that you subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen, so that you don't miss an episode. You can also sign up to be part of my newsletter crews. So you get a weekly preview delivered directly to your email inbox of what will be on the podcast next week. Just visit your sister kimber.com and subscribe there. Friends. Thank you so much for spending part of your tea with us until next time. It's your sister Kimber.