The visibility trap of Jupiter in Leo with Rhianna Jade

Jupiter has moved into bold and effervescent Leo – and for the next twelve months, visibility is going to be one of the biggest themes for business owners.

But this isn't a simple "shine brighter" story.

In this episode, I'm joined by astrologer, psychologist and intuitive mentor Rhianna Jade for a real conversation about what Jupiter in Leo actually brings, and what the South Node moving into Leo from 26/27 July adds to the picture.

We get into why so many business owners are already exhausted by showing up, what's driving that, and how this transit is going to force a much more honest question: are you being visible because you have something worth sharing, or because you need the proof that you're enough?

We cover:

• Why Jupiter in Leo is a genuine window for business owners – and why the quality of what you put out matters more than the volume
• The shadow side: how seeking visibility for validation will deplete you faster than anything else right now
• What the South Node in Leo is really releasing – and how to work with it rather than fight it
• The North Node in Aquarius and what it actually means to build community vs performing for an audience
• Why discernment is the word of the next twelve months – and what that looks like practically
• The Jupiter–Mars–South Node conjunction in mid-November: what to watch for and how to prepare 
• The lioness archetype – conserving energy, acting with intention, resting well
• What Jupiter in Cancer actually delivered (and why it was heavier than expected)

The question we keep coming back to: are you trying to be impressive, or are you being heart-led? Jupiter in Leo and the South Node are both asking that – in very different ways.

About Rhianna Jade

Rhianna is an astrologer, psychologist and intuitive mentor who helps people navigate life's messier seasons with greater clarity, self-trust and direction. She blends psychology, astrology and nervous system awareness to help people make sense of what's happening beneath the surface.

Visit: rhiannajade.com

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Transcript

Sophia Pallas (00:00)
Welcome back to Cosmic Business Breakthrough.

Sophia Pallas (00:03)
I'm your host, Sophia Pallas, a business astrologer and marketing strategist, here to help you get really clear on your mission and your message so you can grow your business with ease. Today I am joined by the amazing Rhianna Jade. She's an astrologer, a psychologist, and an intuitive mentor who has the uncanny ability to help people make sense of what's happening beneath the surface.

Sophia Pallas (00:27)
We are going to talk about Jupiter's move into Leo alongside the South Node and what that will mean for how you show up in your life and business over the next 12 months. This is such a juicy episode. We go all the places. I think you'll really enjoy it. Listen in and let me know what you think.

Sophia Pallas (00:52)
All right. Welcome back. It's been a little while since I've recorded an episode. So we'll see if I edit out the beginning. but I would love to welcome a guest today. I haven't done a guest episode in a long time either. Rhianna

is back for

this I guess, deep dive. We're gonna we're gonna go all Scorpio on it into Jupiter and Leo.

And what that could mean for us in terms of visibility, particularly in our businesses, but just generally as well in life. Like what is Jupiter and Leo really going to activate for us over the next year? And we also know that the South Node is gonna come through Leo. So we're gonna have like a bit of a, I guess a bit of a duality or a bit of a

Like almost a juxtaposition of this very strong Jupiterian energy with the South Nodes kind of release and depletion. So we're gonna get straight into it today. Thank you, Rhianna, for joining me. it's so lovely to have you back. And before we before we before we start a recording, we're just catching up on all the things. So fill me in, fill us all in on where you're at.

in your business right now? Like what is coming through for you this year? And how has how has it been feeling so far?

Rhianna (02:24)
Mm.

Well, shock horror visibility has been

Sophia Pallas (02:28)
Yes.

Rhianna (02:29)
coming through. I've been saying a lot, right? That the first half of the year very different to second half of the year.

Sophia Pallas (02:34)
Hm.

Rhianna (02:35)
So I I was in contemplation a lot with the first half of the year, and I could feel that fire horse energy and that one energy, that new energy saying new things need to happen, but I wasn't ready yet. There was still a lot that I needed to do internally. There was, you know, I needed to land at a home base. So there was a lot that was brewing beneath the surface for the first half of

The year and in the last month or so, and I was just saying to you earlier, I feel like us intuitive women we feel the shifts before they're actually activated.

Sophia Pallas (03:04)
Mm.

Rhianna (03:04)
So I could feel they're like it's go time. You know, this horse is actually wanting to go somewhere now, it doesn't want to just be drinking the water over here in the water hole.

Sophia Pallas (03:12)
Yes.

Rhianna (03:13)
And so I could feel that I could feel that I wanted to shift the way that I'm working, that I was wanting to work with groups of women. There feels like this, like I want to collaborate, I want to connect in in different ways. I don't just

Want to be the person sitting here telling someone about their chart. I want us, you know, to really be connecting and communicating. I think that this is that Uranus and Gemini energy. So that's where it started to shift, where I'm now offering group programs and I'm doing in-person events and co-facilitating, and it just feels really yum. And even you know, doing this podcast, I think when you first reached out to me again, I was like, this is exactly what I've been wanting. You know, I want to actually collaborate and connect. I don't want to be doing this solo anymore. So

Sophia Pallas (03:54)
Mm.

Rhianna (03:54)
it feels

Sophia Pallas (03:56)
Yeah, awesome. And how did you go with this like

I mean, you've got an Aries moon, as we know, we've we've talked about this before.

Rhianna (04:04)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (04:05)
How did you go with the kind of packed Aries energy of the early part of the year? In the business particularly. Like what did you find?

Rhianna (04:10)
Whew. Yeah. in the business.

In the business, what did I find in the business? It's hard to differentiate because it's feel felt like it's been such a personal experience

Sophia Pallas (04:21)
Yes, it's okay. Yeah.

Rhianna (04:25)
this year. Like we're chatting through now midlife transits.

Sophia Pallas (04:27)
Yeah.

Rhianna (04:28)
That honestly, the first word that came to my mind when you're like, what did you experience? I was like, hi, anger. Hello, anger.

Sophia Pallas (04:36)
Rats.

Rhianna (04:37)
Like I was noticing so much anger to

Sophia Pallas (04:40)
Mm.

Rhianna (04:40)
process, and I think when I say anger, even the softer edges of that, like the frustration of like I'm not doing what I'm meant to be doing. Here's the business part, right? Like

Sophia Pallas (04:47)
Yeah. Hmm.

Rhianna (04:49)
this, I'm I'm not I'm not doing the things, I'm not doing the real things. I've had them on my to-do list. I know I'm meant to be doing these other things, and I'm blocking myself.

Sophia Pallas (04:57)
Yeah.

Rhianna (04:58)
So I think that's I really felt the go and the initiation of the fire, but I could also feel all that water of how I was bogging my

myself down in all the fears and all the thoughts about what about this? So it felt like that initially and now I feel like I'm finally in the like, all right, let's go. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (05:14)
Mm. Let's go. Let's go. Second half of the year.

yeah, it has felt very busy though, right? The first half of the year was just like

Rhianna (05:24)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (05:25)
there was just so much to do. And and I think that happens when we have like a lineup of planets in a particular part of our chart. It's like there's so much to do in that particular part of our life

Rhianna (05:38)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (05:39)
that

Yeah, it just feels really hectic and hard to get your bearings for a while because it's it's

Rhianna (05:45)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (05:46)
yeah, it's overwhelming. Like it's it's literally the planets are overwhelming

Rhianna (05:48)
Exactly.

Sophia Pallas (05:51)
this to give like it's it's just showing you that this part of your life is gonna feel overwhelming to you at this particular stage. and

Rhianna (05:58)
Yeah, mm.

Sophia Pallas (05:58)
so now as we move into the second half of the year and you know, visibility is gonna become such an important thing for pretty much all of us, especially us in in business.

And we're gonna feel that energy of you know we've ha of Jupiter moving into Leo, the sign of the sun, you know, the this this area which is generally feels really can feel really uplifting because it is ruled by the sun and the sun is steady in the sky, like it's got this really vibrant, strong energy. So Leo energy is beautiful. It's it's heart-centered, it's

powerful when it's used in a in a good way, right?

Rhianna (06:46)
Hmm.

Sophia Pallas (06:46)
And you know, my experience of Leos is everyone wants to be around them. They have that kind of warmth that unglow. People want to be around the Leo energy. And so we're all gonna get a bit of a taste of that as Jupiter moves into into there because it's gonna expand that Leo part of us, that where wherever it falls in our chart, it's gonna, it's gonna really expand that. There's gonna be warmth

And radiance coming there. But we are also gonna have the South Node coming through. And my take on this whole Jupiter South Node thing is that we're going to find that there's parts of the way that we do visibility that are no longer working for us and that have to be released.

Rhianna (07:33)
Correct.

Sophia Pallas (07:35)
So is what is your, yeah, I guess what's your take on

on what those things will be.

Rhianna (07:43)
Yeah, so when I feel into this, I can it's really interesting, right? Normally i it's just like this collectively, but I can actually feel a distinction between what we're going to notice on the world stage. And I don't normally get into the politics of things, but it's like I can really feel we're going to notice huge shifts in leaders and power and the way that they've been showing up and being seen. And I think a lot of people are gonna get knocked down from their perches. I

Sophia Pallas (08:09)
Yeah.

Rhianna (08:10)
think it's it's going to be very interesting to watch and then per

Personally, how that plays out, exactly what you've just said. I think we will feel that we want to express in new ways, we want to create in new ways. But in talking about that South Node in Leo, we have to bring in the North Node in Aquarius, right?

Sophia Pallas (08:26)
Yes.

Rhianna (08:27)
And there's this real energy of it's it's not just about being seen. We've come through this era of TikTok and social media, and a lot could happen just by being visible. But

Sophia Pallas (08:37)
Mm, the influenza.

Yeah.

Rhianna (08:38)
I I think right. I think

for those people it'll be seen like the world stage. It's like people are gonna be knocked off their perches if if there isn't integrity behind

Sophia Pallas (08:46)
Mm-hmm.

Rhianna (08:47)
what they're doing. So this is about being seen in a way that is good for all, not just good for your own, you know,

Sophia Pallas (08:54)
Yes.

Rhianna (08:55)
ego, essentially. Ego is very much a Leo energy, right? And then

Sophia Pallas (08:58)
Hm. Yes.

Rhianna (08:59)
Aquarius comes in and says, no, no, no, no, this this needs to be about the collective.

Sophia Pallas (09:05)
Yes. Is is what you're standing for going to benefit

Rhianna (09:09)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (09:10)
others or is it only to benefit yourself? Yeah.

Rhianna (09:14)
Exactly. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (09:16)
Yeah. So yes, that's that's my take as well. I do think there's this other part of it that is

Asking us to think about where in our lives or businesses are we being visible just for the sake of visibility and not because it's actually helpful or serving a purpose in our in our business or in our life. because there's you know, I've worked in online business for like

Think

of how many years. It's it's been almost 10 years now. And I've watched people create content and be visible just because they're told that that's what they need to do. And and it's been very conscious decision for me in the past year that I'm not just gonna show up and be visible or do content because I'm supposed to, that I'm only gonna do

Rhianna (10:16)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (10:17)
it when it feels like it's going to be helpful.

stuff or it's going to be

Rhianna (10:22)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (10:23)
there's going to be like some additional reason behind it not just because you know because you're supposed to and I think that

Rhianna (10:28)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (10:30)
that's another great thing about this transit the South node coming through Leo it's really going to help us to clarify why we're showing up and and to think about is is is this really necessary or are we being performative? You know, are we just showing

Rhianna (10:49)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (10:50)
up

Yeah, to perform, to do the content because we're supposed to churn out the content and we're supposed to be consistent and therefore, you know, what ends up happening is because people feel the need to produce so much content, their content ends up being well, large now largely produced by AI and not very connected to their heart, which is or yeah, or distinctive. Yeah.

Rhianna (11:11)
Or distinctive in any way?

Sophia Pallas (11:14)
So yeah, I do think that that is that is coming.

Which is nice. And that is also plays into that whole influencer thing. Because if you are an influencer just and you're and you've built a business that is just about like showing up every day and churning stuff out, that's going to be impacted by this energy.

Rhianna (11:37)
I absolutely agree. And I think this is where that depletion of the South Node Leo comes in, right? Because I think we're going to really notice how it's depleting us to try and be visible for the sake of being visible. And I think with Uranus in Gemini, if you don't mind me bringing that in as well, everybody I feel, I'm generalizing here, but is getting so exhausted by the constant consumption of content. So

Sophia Pallas (11:59)
Yes.

Rhianna (12:01)
when you are showing up, it has to be so on point, it has to be so aligned. Like people can tell instantly now. It's just like mm fake. Fake fake fake fake fake. and this is where the the Aquarius North node is saying, is it in integrity? Is

Sophia Pallas (12:14)
Hm.

Rhianna (12:15)
it true? Is it aligned? Is it helpful? Is it needed? Is it necessary?

Sophia Pallas (12:18)
Yes. Yes. And yeah, the I think though that we're gonna there's gonna continue to be that really strong push for like

doing more with less, right? There's still gonna be this because of because of AI and the Uranus and Gemini, which is like all the things all at once, with Pluto, which is just like kind of amplifying that, there's gonna be this real push to do more with less and to to keep up. But this is the question that we have to keep asking ourselves this whole next year is is what I'm creating coming from my

Heart,

and is it connected with you know that whole Aquarius energy of what people need to know or what I feel like I'm serving the the collective with? Or or is it just you know because I'm feeling this heightened nervous system activity to produce

Rhianna (13:17)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (13:18)
and to to keep to keep up with others? Like I think that one of the the great things that Leo Energy offers us is that.

reconnection with our heart space. Like what is what is it that we're doing that is that is really yeah true and authentic to who we are and what we want to be. What do we what do we want to be known for? You know?

And like you said earlier, you want to be more connected with others, like that real sense of like, how can I kind of open my heart to others in in community using that Aquarius North node, but like like really like sinking into that energy instead of being so much in the busyness of of Uranus in Gemini and and all the Aries energy too, like even Saturn in.

in Aries is pushing us to do things before we're ready in many ways or pushing us to keep doing

Rhianna (14:23)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (14:24)
things when we should perhaps take a beat and slow it down.

Rhianna (14:29)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (14:32)
yes. So what do you think are gonna be the big kind of visibility issues that we're all gonna need to work through the next

Twelve months, I suppose.

Rhianna (14:49)
The word that's coming to mind is discernment. I think the issue is going to be there's so much fire here. So we can feel the push. Fire wants us to act and initiate, it can feel quite fast. And so we think we need to get it all out there and

Yeah, but we need to just take that moment. Yes, Saturn will say you need to do it before you're ready, but it's also saying, but do it discerningly and

Sophia Pallas (15:12)
Mm.

Rhianna (15:13)
do it right. So the issue I think is finding that beautiful balance of we need to go, we need to do something, but it needs to be aligned. And I think where we've been bogged down in the past is we can feel that the go time is coming, but we stay too much in the researching and

Sophia Pallas (15:30)
Mm.

Rhianna (15:31)
the, you know, in in that kind of I think with the I was talking about this in a video I did

Earlier this week with the South Node in Virgo and the North Node in Pisces.

Sophia Pallas (15:38)
Mm.

Rhianna (15:39)
We need to trust more and it's like it's okay, life will support us, do the thing. But then Virgo's like, but do you know enough? Are you wise enough?

Will anybody listen? So

Sophia Pallas (15:45)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rhianna (15:48)
I think that that energy is still going to be here and it'll be do it, but do it in a way that's grounded.

Sophia Pallas (15:56)
Yes. Yes. And do you think also like you've also got to find your own place, your own audience? Because, you know, I think I mean this is a a marketing thing that that's often said. When you're marketing to everyone, you market to no one. You've really got to be clear

Rhianna (16:17)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (16:18)
on who you're talking to. Because

I think and that's part of the discernment piece as well because like if you if you're feeling that Leo energy and you're feeling it really strongly, like if it's if it's if Leo is an angular part of your chart, like your first, your fourth, your seventh, or your tenth in particular. Yes, me too. you might we're both we're

Rhianna (16:38)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (16:39)
both fixed. We're both fixed. yeah, fixed charts. So we're gonna be feeling this strongly. So we might be like, yeah, awesome, let's just be louder.

But I think part of it is how can we be louder but in the right places? You know, with the right people. Because we've got to choose our audience. The the the deeper we get into these kind of intense transits that we're in, this this kind of intense planetary energy that we're in, the more people are going to be polarizing.

Yeah. In the right in the right places. Like, because

Rhianna (17:18)
yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (17:23)
yes, how can how

Yeah, what I what I was thinking is with all of this intense activation, especially of the you know, those outer planets and everything's happening on a world stage, it becomes more and more difficult for us like more and more polarizing. There's more, there's more and more of this kind of us and them energy again. This is like, you know, the that energy that's sort of

Rhianna (17:50)
Mm, yeah.

Sophia Pallas (17:51)
similar to what we were in in in COVID times.

Rhianna (17:54)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (17:55)
and so

I

think it's easy when the the Leo energy is emphasized for us to be like, you know, I'm right and you're wrong. Or like that whole and Jupiter likes to be right. Like that's the energy of Jupiter, right? So when it comes into Leo, it could emphasize that sense of like, my way, my, you know, my Leo way is better than yours.

or something like that. So you've got to be really careful that you are not speaking to people who just don't don't get you at all. And and working with that kind of Aquarious North Node energy of like, you know, creating your own sense of community around the shared value that you have and not trying

Rhianna (18:49)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (18:49)
to kind of make somebody else wrong.

as well. Does that make sense? Like I think that there's that really strong

Rhianna (18:54)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (18:56)
kind of urge to like make other people wrong because they don't fit into your space.

Rhianna (19:03)
Yeah, do you know

do you know what you

Sparked in my mind as you were saying that, I'm I started thinking about with Leo energy, you know, the lion energy or the lioness

Sophia Pallas (19:11)
Mm.

Rhianna (19:12)
energy, and that really like being really protective of like this is my view, this is what I think,

Sophia Pallas (19:15)
Yes, this is mine. Yeah.

Rhianna (19:18)
you know, and and I'm gonna protect this truth till the day I die.

Sophia Pallas (19:20)
Mm. I think I haven't really.

Rhianna (19:22)
So this is where I think, yeah, I think you're really right there that this is something for us to watch for.

Sophia Pallas (19:28)
Mm.

Rhianna (19:28)
And then it's about tapping into that Uranus Gemini energy and going, Can I get a bit curious about this? Is there another way of looking at this?

Sophia Pallas (19:33)
Yes. Hmm.

Rhianna (19:36)
Is there space?

for my truth and your truth and so that we don't become I mean Jupiter's ruled by Sagittarius traditionally dogmatic, right?

Sophia Pallas (19:44)
Mm.

Rhianna (19:44)
And so with Leo we don't become too fixed in what we believe to be true.

Sophia Pallas (19:49)
Yes,

and that's it. That's the the the fixed energy of Leo is very like this is it and I won't and I won't accept others influence on

Rhianna (19:55)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (19:59)
my plans, on my thoughts. But

Rhianna (20:01)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (20:02)
and so yeah, that's a bit of the shadow of that of that energy. But I think it's also like you've got to watch for that in other people too and kind of yeah, pick your spaces so that you're not

going into spaces where there is a guru and you have to follow that person because because Jupyter and Leo can create gurus. I'm pretty sure that it has done in the past. When you think about it, you know, like,

Rhianna (20:24)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (20:29)
you know, and cult leader. Yes. Yes. And I think I was listen

Rhianna (20:29)
That's so true. Like I just think cult leader now. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (20:34)
I was listening to something this week, which was talking about Jupiter and Leo and cult leaders. because it's that really strong personal energy, right?

And so it's

Rhianna (20:44)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (20:44)
easy to feel like you wanna be like we talked about earlier, you wanna be part of that like warmth. And so you follow this person. The charisma, yes.

Rhianna (20:50)
And it brings in the charisma, like this charismatic

energy. Yeah, it's like, my gosh, they wow. Yeah. So don't get fooled.

Sophia Pallas (20:55)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So y don't get fooled

in that time. I think it's good that the South Node is coming through in that sense because hopefully

Rhianna (21:04)
Me too.

Sophia Pallas (21:04)
that that will get emptied out a little bit of of those

kinds

Rhianna (21:08)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (21:09)
of things. But but yeah, watch for that as well because there'll be people around you that that are in that kind of state, perhaps perhaps following a guru and perhaps not open to what you have to say. So it's like

You you're not you don't need to walk in there and try and convince someone of that that they're wrong. You need to stand firm in what you believe and and create community around that without making other people wrong and without starting your own cult. You know? Like it's

Rhianna (21:33)
Hm. Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (21:38)
a fine line to walk, really.

Rhianna (21:40)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (21:43)
yes. So

Rhianna (21:46)
I think

that is so true. Yeah. But also remembering too, I think this is where I've been saying the whole time, I actually quite like that we've got Neptune and Saturn both in Aries at

Sophia Pallas (21:56)
Okay.

Rhianna (21:56)
the same time so that we don't run before we can walk.

Sophia Pallas (22:01)
Okay.

Good.

Rhianna (22:05)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (22:05)
I don't know if I feel the same about Saturn and Neptune being an Aries, but the yeah, okay. No, I I mean, obviously

Rhianna (22:11)
That twelfth house, you're probably like, Ugh

Sophia Pallas (22:14)
they're in my twelfth, so I'm not super fond of it. But it will also be we gotta think that it's gonna be making a it's gonna be all that Aries energy is gonna be making a trine with all this Leo energy. It's going to be f this fire energy.

Flowing together, right? And then the air energy is also like the we've got Pluto and Aquarius and Uranus and Gemini igniting the flames. So I think, yeah, it's gonna be intense

Rhianna (22:35)
Igniting it.

Sophia Pallas (22:40)
the next few the next few months in particular, where we've got them making all of these really tight aspects. it's going to feel like maybe we've got a firecracker up our butt. Like, you know.

Rhianna (22:51)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (22:52)
Like we've gotta do the things. I think it's might it may really ignite something within us, in our in our lives and in our businesses, to

Rhianna (23:01)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (23:02)
to do the thing. To to do the thing that we've been putting

Rhianna (23:05)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (23:06)
off, particularly around visibility, perhaps. Like it's like, okay, like you

Rhianna (23:09)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (23:09)
say, I've been waiting. I've been I've but now it's time. Like it's time to

Rhianna (23:14)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (23:16)
to put myself out there. But yeah, it can also ignite

potentially well it can ignite our nervous system, right? It can ignite our sense of

Rhianna (23:28)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (23:28)
that sense of fight or flight really strongly.

Rhianna (23:31)
I just had the exact same thought

in my brain. I'm like, I feel like we need to talk about the nervous system. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (23:35)
Yes.

Yeah, so so this is like, yeah, for you as a psychologist as well, like how do you find like helping people through this kind of really intense activation? what what do we need to do to help ourselves through this time? Because yes, it could be really helpful in our business to get us to get us motivated to do stuff, but it could also just be very over very activating on our

in our nervous system.

Rhianna (24:07)
Yeah, and I think the answer lies in we've got to think about Leo, right? What does Leo have to offer us? Leo is about the heart. It's actually also about the spine and the back, though. I always say, you know, it's that backbone and that courage.

Sophia Pallas (24:16)
Mm. That whole region. Yeah.

Rhianna (24:19)
Yeah. And so with so much fire and air energy grounding, so I'm doing a lot of somatic work with clients. And firstly, I'm saying, let's come back to the heart. Let's drop into the body. Let's breathe. Let's just regulate in that sense. I'm not wanting to downplay any of the big emotions. But what

Where a lot of us have been operating from is the fear and the mind, that South Node in Virgo, right? So the first thing to come out of fight or flight, we have to first drop into the body and we have to ground, so then we can start to actually challenge the thoughts. And I think that's what's going to be needed more rather than just running on autopilot with all the old thoughts and all the old fears. So as long as we're constantly coming back to the heart and then reassessing and realigning, is this true? And as long as you know we're coming back to what

is true for us and in a respectful way for everyone, it can't be wrong, right? As long as you're not trying to be like you said, the guru or the cult leader and saying this is my truth, it's the final truth, no one else's truth is allowed into the arena. You just stay in your truth and what's true for you and let whoever's over there be in their truth and happy days.

Sophia Pallas (25:28)
Yes. Yes, absolutely. Do you think though that we're gonna be looking for like more validation or less validation? Like, more validation because

Rhianna (25:36)
Yes, absolutely. More, I think.

Sophia Pallas (25:40)
of the Jupiter, but what about when

Rhianna (25:42)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (25:43)
the South Node comes through? Like

Rhianna (25:49)
Mm, let me ponder on that. I think people are wanting initially right, the way I see it normally play out, I always feel the first few weeks or months, depending on how long the transit is, we're really working with the shadow aspect of the energy.

Sophia Pallas (26:04)
Right. Yes.

Rhianna (26:06)
And then I feel like as we move through the transit, then we're coming into the higher octave energy. So I think initially we're going to be noticing where we're just being visible because maybe we're needing some validation. Or maybe when it's like I don't truly believe and embody the fact that I'm worthy and that I know what I'm talking about. And I think we need to also just highlight the fact it's super interesting to me that we're doing it as Chiron has just entered Taurus.

Sophia Pallas (26:30)
Yeah.

Rhianna (26:31)
And what I've been saying about, and we've we will have Chiron back in Aries

at the end of the year.

Sophia Pallas (26:34)
Hmm. Yes.

Rhianna (26:36)
Chiron in Ares was actually asking us to take up space and to be a bit of a trailblazer and work through those wounds where we didn't think it was acceptable to be ourselves. Now Chiron in Taurus is starting this theme of I need you to embody that now. I know intellectually you get it, but do you truly believe it? And I love that we have this playing out in the background at the same time. So I think initially we're actually working through the shadow of the like, I've just been showing up hoping I get the likes and the

the shares and the saves and and that validates that actually I do know what I'm talking about because we haven't truly embodied it yet.

Sophia Pallas (27:09)
Yes. That's

it.

like are you

Rhianna (27:14)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (27:14)
actually embodying what you say? and I

Rhianna (27:18)
Yeah. And

do you actually believe in the inherent like worth and value

Sophia Pallas (27:21)
Mm.

Rhianna (27:22)
of what you do and like so that yeah, this is what I can feel. It's like we've been visible from a more superficial way. It's like, yeah, I'm the expert in my field, but we don't truly believe it. We're like,

Sophia Pallas (27:34)
Mm. Mm. Yeah.

Rhianna (27:38)
I think I'm the expert in my field.

Sophia Pallas (27:40)
Yeah,

well that's it. That's that's what we've been been going with. Like sh like fake it till you make it kind of energy of like just just show up. And I think that there is some benefit in that. Like always to kind of because you get better with practice, right? And if you never if you never show up until you're ready, like you're over Virgoing it, you never

Rhianna (28:02)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (28:02)
get better because you haven't practiced, right? So there is benefit in in

getting

out there and putting putting yourself out there and and faking it till you make it or or show learning as you go

Rhianna (28:16)
Learning as you go.

Sophia Pallas (28:17)
and and kind of yeah making mistakes along the way and experimenting with things. But yes, it is this time, particularly as you say, with with both Chiron in Taurus and also with Jupiter and Leo of embodying that and being that leader in your space. And if you can't be the leader

If you if you can't feel that, I think the South Node is gonna come through and you know it's not going to allow you to perform if you don't really feel it as well. it will it will re like yeah, I feel yeah,

Rhianna (28:59)
Exhaust you is what I feel.

Sophia Pallas (29:01)
yeah. I feel that it will will hold you back if you're not being authentic. It will be like I can't, I can't show up.

but I think it can it can also be like we can I guess the difficulty for us is that we might feel that as well and it might block us from showing up, you know. We might we might stay

Rhianna (29:21)
Yeah, true.

Sophia Pallas (29:22)
in that energy of like, no, I'm not really enough. I'm not really, you know, I'm not really able to do this or express myself fully. I think there's also gonna be some fear.

the like the South Node will bring up a lot of fear around showing up and being seen. You know, it's not an easy

Rhianna (29:46)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (29:47)
thing to have the South Node in Leo. Like it's going to like just like with experience with with the South Node in Virgo, of like that axis, which like I didn't really think about this until further into the transit. Like at the beginning, I think, you know, well good.

South Node Virgo will release the people pleasing tendencies. You know? That's

Rhianna (30:09)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (30:10)
great. We'll we'll or we'll not release people pleasing so much. That's more a liberal thing. We'll release that perfection. We'll release that like knee over over functioning, that

Rhianna (30:18)
The over functioning

Sophia Pallas (30:20)
need to overserve is kind of where I was going with that. You know, like those those Virgo tendencies of let's like let's overdo the work, let's overdo the service, let's overdo the perfection, like nothing's gonna be right. We'll release that. South node's going through.

But I think what it also did was with the north note in in Pisces was it became overwhelming to deal with normal things. We felt overwhelmed because the north note was in Pisces and we kind of became a bit of a victim to the thing. Like, this is too much. I can't do it.

Rhianna (30:54)
Yes.

Sophia Pallas (30:55)
and so the South Node in Virgo also meant that we kind of got.

may have got into those loops around, you know, overperfecting and not being enough and all of that stuff too. And that overwhelm was like the feedback loop, you know, I'm overwhelmed.

Rhianna (31:14)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (31:15)
There's too much it's too hard. I'm I can't do it 'cause it's not perfect enough. You know, that kind of thing. And I think that this axis

Rhianna (31:20)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (31:21)
will will take that the next step. So it will be like, okay.

Can I express myself truly? Can I be expressive? Or is this gonna feel really threatening to be, to be myself? Are people gonna like me? You know, that whole validation aspect of it. Like, what if people don't like me? Will then

Rhianna (31:44)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (31:45)
I be crushed? And then the Aquarius side being like,

I think the the shadow of Aquarius is needing to f needing to fit in in a way. Like needing to belong

Rhianna (32:00)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (32:01)
to a community and therefore not be expressing yourself fully. Because you need to fit in, right? So you

Rhianna (32:08)
Yeah, I think

you're right, because I just had the exact same thought around that quirkiness. It's

Sophia Pallas (32:11)
Yeah.

Rhianna (32:12)
like, will they accept, like, will they actually accept me if I show up?

Sophia Pallas (32:14)
Hmm. Yes.

Like there's it's a weird I find Aquarius energy so interesting because it's like on the one hand, you really want to be different. You really want to do your own thing and you don't want to be told what to do. And I know I'm speaking to an Aquarius Rising here. So you get it. And I have a few clients that are Aquarius Rising. So I get this energy

Rhianna (32:31)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (32:35)
of like you don't want to be told what to do, but at the same time you want to fit in. You want to feel part of something.

You like want that sense of connection and community to other people. And so the the other side of that is like the Leo energy just shows up on its own boldly, however it is, right? It doesn't care about fitting in. Leo does not care about fitting in because it's about self. It's about, it's about you, but it's about

It's just about more being expressed.

Rhianna (33:15)
Feel like they more

inherently are like, of course you'll adore me. I'm a Leo. It's like there isn't that doubt. It's like, don't you know how amazing I am? Yeah. Yeah. No. It's ownership.

Sophia Pallas (33:19)
Yes, of course. Of course you will. Yeah. Yeah. Which we all need more of. I really do think we all need more of that. It's not narcissism. It's really like we need to believe in ourselves more. We need yeah, we

need to own our gifts and own our our sense of like, yes, I'm awesome. Like, of course.

Rhianna (33:40)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (33:42)
whereas Aquarius is always like a little bit like, no, don't don't be too good. Like don't just kind of like

Rhianna (33:47)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (33:48)
Like tone it down so you so you're in the so you're you

Rhianna (33:51)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (33:52)
fit into the group and you fit into the it it

Rhianna (33:54)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (33:54)
sound sounds weird because I like do you see what I'm saying? Like Aquarius doesn't it doesn't want to

Rhianna (33:57)
I get where you're going, it's this th yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:00)
stand it wants to be unique, it wants to stand out, do things differently, but

Rhianna (34:03)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:03)
it also it doesn't have that same

Rhianna (34:05)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:06)
like I'll do it anyway and I'll be I'll be embarrassing and I'll just I don't care what anybody thinks. Like it does care. It does very much care. and I think

Rhianna (34:12)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:15)
that that is also the

The thing about, you know, this is why I love traditional rulerships is because Aquarius makes sense as being ruled by Saturn. It is still, it might want to break down

Rhianna (34:25)
Hundred percent. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:27)
the box, but it is still building a box for it. Like it's still building structure and it still likes to be contained

Rhianna (34:30)
Yeah. Correct.

Sophia Pallas (34:33)
in some way. Like there's something about, there's something about it still feels the sense, heavy sense of responsibility for the way things are. And the son, Leo, doesn't. It's like

Rhianna (34:46)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:46)
I'm just gonna shine my light. And you can be in it or not be in it. That's cool, but I'm gonna sit over here and I'm gonna shine. And

Rhianna (34:49)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (34:55)
and that's that's that, you know, Saturn is darkness and the sun is light. That's that duality.

Rhianna (35:00)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (35:03)
So, and darkness in not in not a bad way. It's just like that's

that's the

Rhianna (35:07)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (35:07)
energy of Saturn, you know. So there is gonna be this interesting.

Duality of that, of that energy of like, okay, yes, I want to be seen, but I still want to fit in. And yes, you know, am I being too much? Do I need to dim my light here to fit in? Or do I need to manage how I'm manage myself more? while you're getting this sense of no, I need to expand. I need I need to Jupiter. I need to expand in this part of my life,

Rhianna (35:42)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (35:43)
but I'm also held.

by this, you know, opposing force of Saturn. Like

Rhianna (35:50)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (35:53)
Yeah. What are your thoughts?

Rhianna (35:58)
Yeah, so much is popping into my brain as you say that. And even just that containment, I feel like

With all of the fire energy this year, and this is what I meant by the Neptune and the Saturn. Imagine if it was just Neptune in Aries, but instead we've got Saturn there, and it's like, yes, we we need the big

Sophia Pallas (36:17)
Yeah.

Rhianna (36:18)
dreams and we need and we need to bring them out there,

Sophia Pallas (36:20)
Mm.

Rhianna (36:21)
but not just for the sake of it. So then Saturn comes in and says, you know, let's

Sophia Pallas (36:23)
Yeah.

Rhianna (36:24)
just put some foundations with this, let's contain it a little. And it's the same, and then we have imagine what just Jupiter and Aries could do with Uranus and Gemini with no containment whatsoever. So I actually love then that we've got.

The South Node coming in saying, Yeah, burn bright. But the the imagery I was getting as you were speaking about that is, and I often talk about this with fire energy, is we want to stoke the fire. But if we didn't have the south node there, it would just be this big blazing fire that burns out really quickly,

Sophia Pallas (36:52)
Yeah, yeah.

Rhianna (36:53)
and then we're left with nothing. So it's the south node's there to be like, Yeah, but maybe let's just remove that log and put this log in instead.

Sophia Pallas (36:59)
Mm.

Rhianna (37:00)
That one looks like it'll it'll burn, you know, more easily and for longer.

Sophia Pallas (37:03)
Yeah.

Rhianna (37:04)
So I think that's the duality.

It's like the fire's there, the go is there, but then we we come back and we recenter and we

Sophia Pallas (37:11)
Hm.

Rhianna (37:12)
reset. So I don't see any of this as confining or restrictive. I'm like, no, this is helping us be safe

Sophia Pallas (37:18)
Mm.

Rhianna (37:19)
in this.

Sophia Pallas (37:21)
Yeah.

Rhianna (37:22)
the other thought, just before I forget, but then I I would love to hear your thoughts on that, is

It feels so it feels like a big jump. I often say, you know, jumping from Sagittarius to sorry, from Scorpio energy to Sagittarius energy, right? Is such a shift.

Sophia Pallas (37:36)
Mm. Yes.

Rhianna (37:38)
And

It this feels similar. We're going from a Virgo Pisces axis.

Sophia Pallas (37:43)
Mm.

Rhianna (37:44)
And then to go into an Aquarius-Leo axis feels very, very different.

Sophia Pallas (37:46)
Hmm Yes.

Rhianna (37:48)
So I think this is where the nervous system comes in again, and

Sophia Pallas (37:52)
Hmm.

Rhianna (37:52)
even just the differentiation between the first half of 2026 and the second half of 2026. I

Sophia Pallas (37:57)
Mm, absolutely.

Rhianna (37:58)
think these first few months is us just being like, what is this energy? And

Sophia Pallas (38:02)
What just happened?

Rhianna (38:03)
actually, yeah, actually wrapping our heads around it.

Sophia Pallas (38:07)
Yes.

Absolutely.

And I think, yeah, the axis tree, the n the the nodal axis, but also Jupiter in Cancer and Jupiter in Leo. I mean, also so different. And even though they both,

Rhianna (38:17)
So different. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (38:22)
you know, like, and this is I would love to hear your thoughts on Jupiter and Cancer, because I think we we probably should have started there to be honest. Like coming out, that's okay.

Rhianna (38:30)
Cheeks

Sophia Pallas (38:31)
We're too excited. It's it's it's Le it's it's you know, Jupiter and Leo.

Rhianna (38:34)
Jupiter Leo.

It wanted to be seen. It's first.

Sophia Pallas (38:35)
Venus and Leo, what's it wants to be seen, exactly.

so yeah, we've come out of his year long Jupiter in Cancer transit, which everyone, especially in the traditional astrology world, was like, yes, Jupiter in its exalted

Rhianna (38:50)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (38:51)
place, it's gonna be awesome. And

Rhianna (38:53)
It's like mm.

Sophia Pallas (38:55)
yeah, but we kind of forgot that it was gonna square Saturn and Neptune and and that it's water.

Rhianna (39:03)
And that it's water and can be overwhelming.

Sophia Pallas (39:05)
And it is big and is big. Like Jupiter and Cancer is

Rhianna (39:07)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (39:08)
is big and a lot. Like, yes, you're expanding

Rhianna (39:11)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (39:12)
that sometimes heaviness of cancer energy. Yeah.

Rhianna (39:15)
Right? It's not always expanding the good.

Sophia Pallas (39:17)
And the emotions of cancer. And

Rhianna (39:20)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (39:21)
what I think may have also happened is like the the Cancerian nature of protection and defense. I mean

Could we not see that that also played a huge role? Protecting the Yeah.

Rhianna (39:37)
When you said defense I was like

Sophia Pallas (39:40)
Yeah. Protecting the borders comes up a lot. Jupiter and Cancer, right?

Rhianna (39:42)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (39:44)
And I'm like, that makes total sense now. You know? What we've s what we've seen.

Rhianna (39:48)
Yeah. I've got energy all up my arms with you saying that.

Sophia Pallas (39:52)
What we've seen happen over the past year with Jupiter and Cancer is that real sense of us and them. Are you, you know, like this is our home. Are you welcome?

Rhianna (39:59)
Yes. Are you my

family? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (40:02)
Yes. Are you part of this or not? And that's been huge. And

so I wonder what will shift now with Jupiter moving into Leo. It is still the sign of the sovereign. So I don't see that changing a lot because I think that energy may get amplified with Jupiter moving into Leo. Like like this I my yeah,

Rhianna (40:24)
Especially initially.

Sophia Pallas (40:25)
especially initially. This is my my place, you know? Yeah.

Rhianna (40:30)
This is my kingdom.

Sophia Pallas (40:32)
Yeah, my kingdom, exactly.

Rhianna (40:32)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (40:34)
That's the thing. The the Leo is the sign of the king, the suffering, the that energy.

Rhianna (40:38)
Mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (40:39)
So that will continue that will potentially continue, especially as you say, with the beginning of the transit bringing out the tr the shadows in particular of

Rhianna (40:46)
Mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (40:49)
of the sign. But yeah, like there were good there were not it's not that there were no good things about Jupiter and Cancer. There were, but I think it was always tempered by.

Rhianna (41:00)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (41:01)
you know, that square with Saturn and Neptune and being so watery and Yeah, I don't know, there was just

Yeah, it wasn't buoyant. It didn't feel like I think a

Rhianna (41:16)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (41:16)
Jupiter in Sag is much more like, yeah, let's do this. Like, you know, everything it's a bit more happening, a bit yeah. Whereas, you know,

Rhianna (41:21)
Much more dynamic. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (41:24)
Jupiter in Cancer, it can be very supportive, especially of things that you're doing,

Rhianna (41:30)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (41:32)
you know, in a home sense. It can be very nurturing from

family and home sense potin potentially. I knew I know like for me, my own experience of it in through the third house. I actually moved house

Rhianna (41:44)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (41:45)
right as Jupiter went into cancer last year and I got to know my neighbors really quickly. Like all of a sudden I knew my neighbors and

Rhianna (41:51)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (41:53)
I could walk to the shops and I could, you know, like I had a sense of community and and like my day-to-day rituals really changed, which was really a like a very strong signature of Jupiter in your third house of

day-to-day routines and and neighbours and siblings. My I got it like my sister-in-law moved to Australia. So I got a sister. You know, like all these kind of very third house themes. I launched a new website. Like all of this kind of like communication and and local type stuff was that's was all very supported by that, by that Jupiter. So you do get a lot

Rhianna (42:28)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (42:30)
of opportunity from wherever Jupiter goes in your chart.

Rhianna (42:34)
Mm. But it feels much more closer to home.

Sophia Pallas (42:37)
Yeah.

Yeah. So that's where I that's where I experienced it. Where was your where was Jupiter for you? Okay. Yeah.

Rhianna (42:43)
It was in the sixth and what I I mean, a lot of health stuff came

in, like it it was really your daily ritual supporting you and I really noticed where it wasn't. And I had loads of little nothing bad but little niggling health stuff that I'd been putting on the backburn. Jupiter like, No, we we need to address this now.

And really, yeah, finding it was the nurturing and the nourishment and noticing how I'd been able to override that a lot previously and it just it just wasn't an option for me anymore. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (43:12)
Yes. Wouldn't work. Yeah, it really draws

your attention to the things that that that part

Rhianna (43:20)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (43:21)
of your chart reflects. and

Rhianna (43:23)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (43:23)
I wonder if in your business as well, if you were re if you were thinking about your systems and processes and things like that, that are very kind of sixth house as well.

Rhianna (43:33)
Absolutely was and

I was. but it was more I noticed even just a shift in therapy. Like it really came more back to the heart and

Sophia Pallas (43:44)
Hm.

Rhianna (43:45)
belonging and nurturing and nourishing. Whereas in previous years it might have been more about let's go, let's get them, where are we going? Where are we headed? So I even noticed that shift, a bit more of a a mother hen with

Sophia Pallas (43:50)
Yeah. It's much more i i yeah. Yeah.

Rhianna (43:56)
all of my clients, whereas sometimes I could be a bit more of the accountability person.

Sophia Pallas (44:00)
Don't don't Yeah.

Rhianna (44:03)
But I noticed a bit of a softening, I think,

in the

Sophia Pallas (44:05)
Yeah.

Rhianna (44:06)
last twelve months.

Sophia Pallas (44:07)
Yeah, it is it is interesting what yeah, what that energy brings out in you where it's yeah, where it's coming out. And also I guess in your sixth house, you're also it's also the house of service and how you're being of service.

Rhianna (44:18)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (44:19)
And that's so that switched up and that activated that that Cancerian nurturing sixth house as well. So you could look after yourself but also, you know, serve others in that nurturing way. which is awesome.

so now that it's moving into Leo, we all have to like take a beat and look at our charts and be like, okay, what house is this gonna activate for me now? And what do I need to know? I think this is a super helpful thing to be able to do for yourself and obviously to see an astrologer about, but like if you can think about the chart, the your chart and the house that's gonna be activated, it will give you much more clarity on what this big transit is going to bring up for you.

And I know like from a from a business perspective, with you know, with Jupiter moving into your seventh, it will be much more about collaborations and who you're working with, clients, like maybe there'll be like more opportunity to collaborate, more podcast invitations, more or more more joint projects, that kind of thing as well. Like more and it can also be more clients, like it can make that real that

part of your chart, that part of your life and business very busy as well, having having Jupiter there. but then like the South Node coming through, there's also that sense of like, are we releasing some old collaborations that don't don't work anymore? Are we releasing some old partnerships that no longer work anymore? Are we releasing some ways of being in collaboration that don't work? Like am I just doing this

For visibility purposes and not because it's really aligned. You know, that kind of thing would probably come up with the South Node in Leo and the seventh. yeah, I think that's that's really a cool thing to kind of think about as we step into this next twelve months. And the South Node is still gonna be there for 18 months from from now, but really w when it's with Jupiter is the next.

Twelve months and Jupiter's gonna move very fast. So we're gonna get like all of Leo covered pretty much in the by November. And then it's gonna start moving backwards. So I think we're gonna really f I don't think I don't remember if Jupiter and Cancer move that quickly. do you remember that? If it was like this seems like a v yeah, I ha I have

Rhianna (46:48)
No, and actually I don't even have the ephemeris up for last year.

Sophia Pallas (46:52)
my ephemeris, but it's like underneath a pile of books over there. but

Yeah, it feels like this is a very

Rhianna (46:58)
I'm even just going to look for this. yeah, because I mean by January Jup I mean, by January Jupiter was already at twenty one degrees. so it did I mean, it covered over half of the ground.

Sophia Pallas (47:12)
Yeah, I guess it depends on when it moved. When it was retrograde, yeah. I don't know, this feels like

Rhianna (47:17)
Well, it's already

retro it was already retrograde first of January and I don't know if that's the day it started. I I d I mean I don't have a twenty twenty five

Sophia Pallas (47:21)
Yeah, no, it was it

it started its retrograde in December, I'm pretty sure. So

Rhianna (47:27)
Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (47:28)
it had already yes, so it does go it does move quite fast and then retrogrades back. So that might be the normal that might be the normal way Jupiter moves.

Rhianna (47:35)
But but

even but just the the the energy of Cancer versus Leo, right? Even if it is quick, it doesn't feel as quick 'cause we're like swimming rather than running. It's

Sophia Pallas (47:44)
Yes.

Rhianna (47:44)
like there's a it's a it's it's still it's a different kind of tempo. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (47:47)
It's a different energy. Yeah. We're not yeah, we're not

yeah. Running at it full force. I mean, I feel like Leo

Rhianna (47:54)
Yeah, yeah.

Sophia Pallas (47:56)
and like Aries energy runs at it full force. Leo energy is more like like I mean, well, yeah, it prances, but it's also like a lion, right? It really it really picks its mo

Rhianna (47:59)
Yeah. It prances it struts.

Sophia Pallas (48:07)
it picks like it it goes when it has to. It's much more

Rhianna (48:11)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (48:12)
It's

much more able to conserve energy. Like it rests. Like this is this is,

Rhianna (48:15)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (48:16)
I think, that energy, that archetype that we need to lean into a little bit of like, you know, how can we be more like a like a lion or a lioness? Where it's like we use the energy when required and we just go for it. And then we rest really well. You know? Yes. Yes.

Rhianna (48:29)
Hmm. Mm. I love that visual. I'm just seeing the line, you know, it's hiding down in the long grass and then it's like, Okay, now I

go and I get my prey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (48:38)
get my thing done and then I rest. I'm cool. I eat and I rest.

it's a different energy and maybe that's what like I think now obviously with with Jupiter moving really fast forward for the next four months, it's not gonna be even a full six months. Like we're gonna get like,

Rhianna (48:56)
Hm.

Sophia Pallas (48:57)
yeah, July, August, September, October and into November, four to five months. It's just gonna be going

Rhianna (49:02)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (49:03)
full speed. So you're doing that full sprint to get to cash that gazelle.

And then, and then you're

Rhianna (49:08)
Yeah, right?

Sophia Pallas (49:10)
gonna go back, you're gonna rest, and you're gonna eat, and you're gonna rest. And

Rhianna (49:14)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (49:15)
and you're gonna reflect on the things that you got done in those really busy four to five months, and you're gonna check whether they're aligned. But in November as well, that's when we're gonna have that connection of the South Node with with Jupiter.

Rhianna (49:34)
it's in mid mid November that we'll have the conjunction.

Sophia Pallas (49:37)
Yeah.

Yeah, so looking forward to yeah.

Rhianna (49:43)
I'm keen

to hear your thoughts on that. What do you what do you think that will bring for us actually having the conjunction hit?

Sophia Pallas (49:50)
Well, here's the thing. If it was just Jupiter and the South Node, I would think it's okay. But it's Jupiter, Mars, and the South Node together. So we have we have Jupiter at twenty five, Mars at twenty-five, and the South Node at twenty-five. All Leo,

Rhianna (50:01)
it is true Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (50:08)
that's it that's happening like the sixteenth of November.

Rhianna (50:11)
And look, around

that time it's gonna square the sun in Scorpio too. Like Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (50:14)
Yes, it is. It's gonna be square the sun.

we don't have like like Saturn's not making an aspect to kind of it's not making a nice trine to kind of slow that down. I mean sign sign-based

Rhianna (50:26)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (50:27)
trine, but it's not

Rhianna (50:29)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (50:30)
it's not providing any additional help. But and but Venus

Rhianna (50:34)
Containment, no

Sophia Pallas (50:37)
is almost in a nice sextile with that. Venus will be in Libra, but it

Rhianna (50:41)
But she

is coming out of retrograde.

Sophia Pallas (50:42)
Coming out

of re but it's at least out of retrograde, right? She's she's not in retrograde, so that's a good thing.

Rhianna (50:45)
Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (50:49)
so she that the Venus is maybe gonna assist a little bit at

Rhianna (50:56)
Especially if we've utilized that retrograde to really reflect on our values and

Sophia Pallas (50:59)
Mm. Yeah.

Rhianna (51:01)
yeah.

Sophia Pallas (51:02)
Yeah. So I think if you've got anything at 25 Leo or any of the fixed signs, that is the degree. Yes, I do too. I have

Rhianna (51:10)
Hi, yes I do.

Sophia Pallas (51:13)
I have Venus at 25, Scorpio.

Rhianna (51:17)
Yeah.

And my Saturn and Mercury sits in that region too in Scorpio.

Sophia Pallas (51:20)
Yeah. So

yeah, there's gonna be one to watch. And that's

yeah.

Yes, so

Rhianna (51:31)
So for

everyone that's listening, we're actually looking at each other's charts right now, by the way.

Sophia Pallas (51:34)
Yes.

Yeah, going there. but yeah, so I think I think it's gonna be really an interesting moment. But like look, I've looked at South Node Transit personally before and I've been stressed about them. Like you know this because I've seen you about this. I've been like, help me! How am I gonna deal with this South

Rhianna (51:53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (51:57)
Node Transit? And it's often been far less I mean, no

Rhianna (52:02)
Right. It can be

helpful. It can be yeah.

Sophia Pallas (52:03)
It can be helpful. It can be helpful. Like I d I have

had very literal manifestations of the South Known transits. Touchwood, they haven't been they haven't been terrible. But like, you

Rhianna (52:13)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (52:14)
know, I think if you have a planet at that point, if you have specifically if you have a planet at twenty-five Leo or around that mark, you're really going to be feeling whatever that planet is, like if it if it's for instance Venus or Mars.

You're going to be feeling a really strong activation of that Venus or Mars and what that does in your chart. So, and and what that represents in your chart. So, for instance, if if it's Mars and Mars is the ruler of your ascendant, then you're really going to feel that physically. That's going to have a that's going to feel both highly activating and also it might be a burnout. You might be feeling a bit of burnout. Yeah.

Rhianna (52:59)
I was just yeah, I think like less motivated and like

you've lost your mojo a little bit.

Sophia Pallas (53:02)
But it's interesting because

yeah, it's Mars is there as well as the South Node and Jupiter. So you get like that expansion, Mars Jupiter expansion, like that that conjunction, and then you've got the South Node right on top of it or just past it, right? So the South Node is gonna be already it's not it's not like a it's not like applying to the South Node or the South, you know, because the South Node is moving backwards.

Rhianna (53:30)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (53:31)
But it's still gonna feel like

Got

I've got all of this energy but I can't I've gotta release it or something's

Rhianna (53:39)
It's gonna feel frustrating, I think. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (53:42)
gotta shift with it. Like there's got there's something it's gonna feel very much like yeah, like this this

Rhianna (53:48)
Feels like the anger piece coming in again now almost

Sophia Pallas (53:51)
Hm.

Rhianna (53:51)
like where are we frustrated with ourselves for not moving soon enough or

Sophia Pallas (53:56)
Mm.

Rhianna (53:57)
delaying the move? Or yeah, with that Mars, it feels like the drive, the determination. It's

Sophia Pallas (54:03)
Mm.

Rhianna (54:03)
like, okay, what's driving this?

Sophia Pallas (54:06)
Yeah.

Rhianna (54:06)
And or what's blocking this? Like I think I mentioned this the other day. It's like we're either like, I'm trying to go.

Sophia Pallas (54:12)
Hm.

Rhianna (54:13)
Well, the first thing is I want to go, but I'm scared. But then that second piece is I've been trying to go and all this shit just keeps getting in the way.

Sophia Pallas (54:19)
Mm, yes.

Rhianna (54:22)
And figuring out, well, why are we letting it get in the way? What are we procr not procrastinating, but where are we like, I'll just clean the kitchen for the seventh time, you know? Or, you know, we're we're kind of getting

Sophia Pallas (54:31)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rhianna (54:33)
we're on autopilot doing all these day to day things that yes need to be done, but sometimes

Sophia Pallas (54:37)
Yeah.

Rhianna (54:38)
they become a distraction from the real work.

Sophia Pallas (54:40)
Hmm,

yes. And like from a visibility perspective, it's like maybe you will have this real desire because it's Mars. Like Mars is there. That and and desire

Rhianna (54:54)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (54:56)
largely does come from Mars because it's like that real motivating

Rhianna (54:59)
exactly, yeah.

Sophia Pallas (55:00)
force that and it's amplified by Jupiter. So it's like this real desire to be more expressive.

And to be more

Rhianna (55:07)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (55:08)
visible. But the South Node is gonna be making you question that. It's gonna be like,

Rhianna (55:13)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (55:14)
Who do you think you are? You know? What is this? Yes. How will you go with this?

Rhianna (55:17)
Yeah, and how will this be received? Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (55:21)
Who or who do you think you are? Or are you doing this just for validation? Like you could find yourself in that kind of question loop, but but you may push through anyway because that Mars Jupiter is very strong. And

Rhianna (55:33)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (55:34)
I think perhaps that's what you need

to

do a little bit at that point. is just like, okay, what if I showed up anyway and you know, what if I released South Node, anybody's expectations or any sense of validation that I need around this? Like, if you can do some active work around releasing the need for validation at that time, I think you're, you know, you'll be able to Jupiter, Mars, Leo, the, the shiz.

out of it really powerfully.

Rhianna (56:07)
Right.

And I might be biased here because I'm a Scorpio, but we need to remember that it's Scorpio season too. You know, so working through all the shadow

of of

Sophia Pallas (56:19)
Yes.

Rhianna (56:19)
the Leo and the sun energy. so in terms of like, well, what do we do? How do we work with this? It's like always you've got to bring it back to the heart.

Sophia Pallas (56:28)
Yeah. Yeah. Are you seeking that visibility because you have something that's genuinely worth sharing from your heart or because you need the proof that you're enough? Like

Rhianna (56:40)
Correct. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (56:42)
that's

Rhianna (56:42)
And I think when it's from our heart, right, sometimes we're like, who's gonna wanna hear this? It's not backed by science or this, that, like we get all in our heads about it. But yeah, when it's from the heart,

Sophia Pallas (56:52)
Mm. Mm.

Rhianna (56:55)
that's the truth.

Sophia Pallas (56:56)
Yeah, and we probably have to be more

We have to be more open to sharing that as opposed to feeling like it needs to be overly engineered. You know, like that's

Rhianna (57:11)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (57:12)
the that's what this energy is bringing us to. And that's why I think there's been much more of the of the kind of raw content coming because because we're seeing so much overpolished AI stuff come out.

Rhianna (57:25)
Hmm.

Sophia Pallas (57:26)
that it's like,

Rhianna (57:26)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (57:27)
okay, well, how can we show people that we're real and we're not a robot? You know, this isn't, this isn't

Rhianna (57:30)
Mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (57:32)
like a yeah, I haven't had my voice cloned. Like this this is this is me really talking to you from the heart,

Rhianna (57:39)
Hm. This is me. Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (57:43)
actually having a having a feeling and a thought and wanting to share it with you.

Rhianna (57:48)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (57:49)
And yes, we all come from our own experience and that's what people are.

interested in. Like that's that's what connects us to our specific audience is because we have our own individual set of experiences and our own way of approaching things. And if that resonates with with you, with the person that you're talking to, then they will

listen and appreciate you. You'll you're expressing your

Rhianna (58:16)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (58:17)
set of experiences and values and all of those things from your heart to them. You're not trying to

Rhianna (58:22)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (58:23)
mm you're not trying to impress them. Right? If you're trying to impress them it won't work. Yeah. Yeah.

Rhianna (58:26)
Mm-hmm. But that's that Leo, right? That can be yeah. So

I think you've just nailed it there. It's like, are you trying to be impressive or are you just being heart led?

Sophia Pallas (58:37)
Yes.

Yes. And I love that like all of the past few years, not so much not so much the past couple of years, but like a few years ago, there was this whole thing around like follow me because I've got the most money and the most cars and the mo like us this whole like especially in business. Yes. Yes, you want to work with me because I make money. You know, like and

Rhianna (58:55)
Right? Look how much money I'm making. Yeah. Hmm.

Sophia Pallas (59:02)
I think there's been this real shift sh there's a real shift away from that now. It's not about

Rhianna (59:07)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (59:08)
like yes, we're in business. We all want to make money, don't get me wrong, but like at the cost of what? Yeah, yeah.

Rhianna (59:13)
But it's like that became everyone's niche. Suddenly

they did something else and then suddenly it was like, but now I'm gonna show you how to make money. And

Sophia Pallas (59:18)
Had my money, yes.

Rhianna (59:20)
they they just went away from what their ini original intention was.

Sophia Pallas (59:22)
Mmm. Hmm.

Yeah. Okay. Well, before we wrap it up, because I just had another thought about Leo energy, and that is money. Money comes up a lot

Rhianna (59:29)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (59:33)
with Jupiter and Leo. And

Rhianna (59:35)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (59:36)
spending money comes up a lot with Jupiter and Leo. And wanting

Rhianna (59:38)
Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (59:39)
to show what we've got, you know, like that kind of luxury

Rhianna (59:42)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (59:44)
aspect or that aspirational. Like I'm it's because it's related to like.

being the king or the queen, like how can I show my wealth, show my abundance?

Rhianna (59:52)
Mm, mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (59:56)
and so stow my show my status,

Rhianna (59:58)
Show my status even.

Sophia Pallas (1:00:00)
yeah. So that could come up for you as well as this happens, especially in the part of your chart that is that that has Leo, that like it's directed by Leo. You might feel that extra

Rhianna (1:00:09)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:00:12)
sense of, I need to be I need I need to look the part here.

Rhianna (1:00:15)
I need to look the part yeah.

Sophia Pallas (1:00:18)
And and the South Node going through there might be more clarifying for you. Be like, actually, do I really need this? You know, do I really

Rhianna (1:00:23)
Hmm.

Sophia Pallas (1:00:26)
need to to do this thing or show this thing? it's interesting, just like a personal anecdote. My husband is a Leo rising and literally yesterday he was he was looking as as as Jupiter moves into Leo.

He's he's somehow stumbled across these like two million to five million dollar watches. And he's like, these are amazing. And I'm like, yeah,

Rhianna (1:00:50)
Course. That's that seems appropriate.

Sophia Pallas (1:00:53)
how how apt for this kind of transit? Like Jupiter through your first house or or your second house might be like, I really want this beautiful piece of art or jewelry or something or you know, to adorn myself. it can bring up that desire for for that.

Rhianna (1:01:11)
I think you just nailed it with

the adorn myself. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:13)
Yes. I mean and

and obviously right now as we're recording this, Venus is also in Leo. So there's like that extra, like extra sense

Rhianna (1:01:19)
Hm. Hmm.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:21)
of like, yes, let's let's be fancy. Let's, you know, let's show it.

Rhianna (1:01:24)
Mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:27)
but yeah, I think that that's a that can be a nice thing too. Like it can bring a bit of sparkle to your life. But the South Node going

Rhianna (1:01:30)
Mm. Mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:33)
through there is gonna ask you if if you really need it, if it's really helping or are you

Rhianna (1:01:37)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:37)
just doing it to show off? You know. sorry.

Rhianna (1:01:40)
Mm, mm-hmm. But with Chiron

in Taurus too, that wound might get activated. So we could overdo it of like, well maybe if I just have more things and I looked apart and you know, it's so I think we'll need to watch for that particularly between now and September.

Sophia Pallas (1:01:56)
Yes. Yeah, for sure. It's like, yeah, what are we what are we doing for the sake of just

Yeah, recovering from that wounding. Like

Rhianna (1:02:08)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:02:08)
or what are we doing for like that's real that that feels really good to us? Like does it feel good or are we just doing

Rhianna (1:02:14)
Mm, mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:02:15)
it for for the show? Yeah, to try and feel good. Yeah. Absolutely.

Rhianna (1:02:17)
To try and feel good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sophia Pallas (1:02:21)
Okay, on that note I have

I have children on holidays trying to crawl past me.

Rhianna (1:02:27)
Okay.

Sophia Pallas (1:02:28)
so thank you so much for joining me for this chat. It's been awesome and I hope that we haven't had too much audio interference. I am going to pop your detail. There you go, he's going behind me. Thank you for your cameo. Yeah.

Rhianna (1:02:44)
Leo.

Sophia Pallas (1:02:48)
so I'm gonna pop all your details into the show notes or the description box so people can find you. Is there anything that you want people to know about what you're doing now in the next, you know, especially now in the next few months?

Rhianna (1:03:01)
Yeah, so moon circles, I will be doing a group container for Jupiter in Leo for the nodal axis shifting. So if you want to dive more deeply into that and do it with community and connection so that you don't go into the overdoing, you can definitely come along and join for that. I'd love to have you there. And the moon circles are always a nice little point, little way to drop in as well and just stay connected to all the energies that are activated as they're actually happening.

Sophia Pallas (1:03:28)
Awesome. I love that. Yes, it's so important to just yeah find your especially now with the North Node in Aquarius, find or moving into Aquarius, find your people, like find your connections and yeah, do things in person and feel that energy, like feel each other's energy together in the room or in the space. I think that's such a good

Rhianna (1:03:50)
Mm.

Sophia Pallas (1:03:50)
thing to be doing right now. Look, there we go again.

Rhianna (1:03:53)
Mm-hmm.

Sophia Pallas (1:03:55)
Okay.

On that note. Okay, I'm gonna s I'm gonna stop recording now. Thank you.

Rhianna (1:03:57)
Thank you for having me. Yeah.

Thank you.