Episode 60: Dan Hegrich on Transcending Terminal Cancer

Dan shares his story of overcoming physical, emotional, mental, and relational "rock bottom." Daniel Hegrich is a Life Mentor and Natural Health Coach diagnosed with terminal cancer in 1994. Years later, he was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder while in a mental health inpatient facility after his wife left him. Dan shares what helped him to transcend the bleak situations of his life and live empowered and whole!

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Transcript

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Blake Suzelis: Hey? Thanks so much for timing and everybody that live. Lucky podcast! I have such a special guest here today. His name is Dan Hegrich, and he has such an inspiring story. I honestly I've only heard bits and pieces. I can't wait to hear the rest. but, Dan, if there's anything you want to add to this introduction, I'm just going to hand the mic to you. And I just love to hear like.

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Blake Suzelis: Yeah, I mean, you wrote to be saying, you transcended cancer. Now I don't know if you know this about me. But I was diagnosed about him a year and a half ago with leukemia. So i'm really jazzed to hear what you have to say. So I didn't know that that's that's going to be interesting. 6 Time Cancer survivor of non-hat choose lymphoma, Wow!

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Daniel Hegerich: And it was an aggressive forum, and that was in 1994. I was diagnosed, and 6 years later I was I found myself

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Daniel Hegerich: after 6 years of chemotherapy, radiation, medical treatment, trauma, divorce.

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Daniel Hegerich: You name it every for the most part many life, trauma's, life

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Daniel Hegerich: losses. I experience especially loss of identity.

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Daniel Hegerich: and that was the most painful. And

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Daniel Hegerich: so that led me into psychiatric W. And by polar. All this and

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Daniel Hegerich: and that loss of identity was really powerful. But I had this one piece of me that was hanging on, which is the spiritual side, that I wanted more out of life, that. My God! Said I, wasn't just here to survive. I was here to thrive, and

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Daniel Hegerich: I didn't have a a a culture of social structure or family that really understood that. And I didn't have mentorship I didn't have.

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Daniel Hegerich: So it was really feeling isolated on an island of my own, and

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Daniel Hegerich: I didn't know where to turn to. So I did have mentors along the way, and we'll get into it a little bit. But that's that's where a lot of this information and inspiration we're going to share today is vital because

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Daniel Hegerich: I'm. Coming from personal experience

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Daniel Hegerich: and that personal experience was harnessed with professional study and personal study.

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Daniel Hegerich: so I could get validated on what I'm sharing today, and people be free to go and research it themselves, of course. And I turned into a heroic life along this coach. What does that mean? It means that there's 2 pathways we're living. We're living a seductive, hedonistic life that has been

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Daniel Hegerich: essentially programmed in from our culture and from society, that

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Daniel Hegerich: those who you know those who have the most toys at the end of life, when so to speak. And that's how we measure our success. And that's having its challenges, of course, not only from the individual, but from the family

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Daniel Hegerich: niche, the family web, the disconnection that we're having from nature the disconnection we have from actual authentic self, etc., so heroically it's so heroic. We have to step into our heroic self in order to go against the masses. Essentially right. So it's like we're swimming upstream.

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Daniel Hegerich: We myself and props yourself and the people that you were trying to coach.

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Daniel Hegerich: We're swimming up stream to spawn a new life, a new way of life.

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Daniel Hegerich: all right, and so that means just swimming against the river

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Daniel Hegerich: sometimes doesn't it. Yes, and it's exhausting. And here's one of the challenges. Of course. There's a lot of people don't want to do their own swimming. So they latch on to you, and you're You're wind up trying to carry these parasites on your back, and it gets even more exhausting to shake them off. It's not a judgment on anyone listening. It's a reality. It's. It's hardcore reality that we live in. So

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Daniel Hegerich: and so I coach people back to that heroic pathway which is what many people have said is, essentially to put your virtues in action.

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Daniel Hegerich: to live more morally.

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Daniel Hegerich: to to develop your moral character, to know it's right

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Daniel Hegerich: to do it's right, and to know it's right, and to do it's right. Feels good, and then it becomes automatic.

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Blake Suzelis: Yeah.

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Daniel Hegerich: right instead of having to do it once in a while. You know someone's inauthentic when they say, oh, let me be honest with you right now. Well, is that because the last.

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Daniel Hegerich: you know. 10 years you haven't been, you know. You see what I mean. So there's some in authenticity that's going on in all of us, and I'm sure you know it's related to a lot of our traumas and neglects and developmental

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Daniel Hegerich: errors from the environment we grew up in so heroic life. And well, this coach helping you reclaim your your warrior W. A. R. I. Or instead of worrying the warrior of life. And all these obstacles we have and challenges. We face that

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Daniel Hegerich: as a hero you love those challenges. We want those challenges because those challenges make us stronger within our true authentic self.

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Daniel Hegerich: A moral high road.

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Daniel Hegerich: Now and then I consider myself a expert in natural health and conscious healing, because that's where the root of it health is the foundation to life.

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Daniel Hegerich: We know that.

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Daniel Hegerich: for listeners, just to make it real just to make it real for listeners. If you've ever had a child, you know. The only thing you're concerned about is that child going to be healthy.

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Daniel Hegerich: And so that is the foundation we come into this planet of living or world that we live in.

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Daniel Hegerich: That's the foundation, and we need to master the fundamentals to maintain our health and well-being

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Daniel Hegerich: and I coach that through natural healing or natural health. And then, secondly, of course, our true authentic nature is mirrored in

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Daniel Hegerich: conscious healing. So many of us have created a social mask. We've heard of that, and we have layers of those layers and layers and layers, and so conscious healing is about going into the unconscious suffering we have.

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Daniel Hegerich: and we're carrying that we don't know of.

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Daniel Hegerich: and we have to bring our consciousness into that suffering. So we suffer consciously which actually triggers our empathy for ourselves, and then we can feel empathy for other people in their suffering

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Daniel Hegerich: rather than just say, hey, pick yourself up by the bootstraps, or kick them down when you know, kick them when they're down, or pour salt on their wounds. Right? Because you're not in touch with your own suffering.

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Daniel Hegerich: You haven't done enough of your own exploration into the healing, even if you've had good memories all along the way

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Daniel Hegerich: there's probably still a sign that that's a way that you can just use those as a dopamine hit to avoid the the feelings that you don't have, because in this world

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Daniel Hegerich: no matter how many good experiences we had. We probably had just as many bad ones in the log balance

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Daniel Hegerich: right? So we have to uncover and unmask some of those ones that are

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Daniel Hegerich: essentially draining our so forth.

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Daniel Hegerich: So that's a that's I guess that's the 5 min cliff notes to what I, who I am, what I do, and enough about me. It's all about us, and about how we can make a difference in the world

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Daniel Hegerich: using my inspiration, inspiring story. And of course, the wisdom born out of that suffering, that conscious suffering, because i'm here because I actually

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Daniel Hegerich: suffered enough to be here today. When the doctor said I had, you know, 12 months to live, or something like that. The markers, the tumor markers were indicating about 12 months.

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Daniel Hegerich: and I wax and Wayne, and went deeper into it every time I relapsed every single relapse had me going deeper and deeper and wider into the source of the etiology of cancer. So we'll get into that because cancer is not a disease. It's an expression of the disease.

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Blake Suzelis: Yeah, and I do agree with that. You know it's it's something in my own journey. I I said, this is not something that's going to define me, because i'm going to be able to change it from the inside out. I know that that's the only way it's going to work not going to change it from the outside in

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Blake Suzelis: and that's you know I don't know how much you know about me, Dan, but live Lucky therapy, that is the whole thing. And what you're talking about stepping into that hero role. I kind of talk about it. As you know, we start out as the victim role as we go into the hero, and then ultimately we step into the creator of our life. Yes, we can really start then.

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Blake Suzelis: you know, once we kind of quote unquote conquered the mind and the emotions and the body, and our relational strategies and understanding all those different attachment styles like you were talking about, that we've learned, and

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Blake Suzelis: unfortunately practice for many, many years before we found a different way of doing things. but no, I I can't wait. I I'd love for you to like, I said. Take the mic and tell us your journey and what you learned through, I think it was some. Yeah, i'll do that. I think it's it could be summed up very easily in a question.

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Daniel Hegerich: Well, I don't think it's going to be summed up to the listeners, but you and I, as a cancer I guess war veterans or something, that

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Daniel Hegerich: when I was 29 going into the my doctor to find out why I was so sick.

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Daniel Hegerich: I had a biopsy done on my on a length node that

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Daniel Hegerich: when I touched it it did not register normal, swollen lymph node. It elicited an electric shock all the way down my right side and through my foot.

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Daniel Hegerich: over a week it started to grow pretty rapidly, so I had to buy up. She done, and then I didn't really know what it was, but you know, back in my head was thinking it must be some kind of cancerous thing. But is it benign

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Daniel Hegerich: take a step back. I was following the American dream.

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Daniel Hegerich: you know, checking off the boxes program to me, which was, Get a good education.

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Daniel Hegerich: Why do I want a good education, so I can get a good paying job with my mind, not with my body.

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Daniel Hegerich: Okay, I did that check civil engineer.

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Daniel Hegerich: Now that I have a good job. Now you get to meet a woman

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Daniel Hegerich: Now you can stop planning for retirement at 25 i'm planning from my the end of my life. You know it's like 30. It's like 50 years away. And so I was obsessed with that, in the sense of my own wounds and injuries in terms of living and in authentic life, because

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Daniel Hegerich: and we met shaking hands. I to I he had one question.

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Daniel Hegerich: So, Dan, how did you get into the business of cancer?

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Daniel Hegerich: Hmm. That's a powerful question. Exactly. So we know that he wasn't talking to me as no cancer with some sort of object that I just picked up on the street.

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Daniel Hegerich: You know I have cancer like it's an object. I have a book. I have a coffee. It's not an object.

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Daniel Hegerich: It's a process that's been happening. And so he pointed that out with that question

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Daniel Hegerich: that this is a process of how have I been living? So I turn that question inward.

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Daniel Hegerich: And when I turn that question inward, I said, Dan, how did you get into the business of cancer. How did you get here?

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Daniel Hegerich: And I saw all the ways that I was living in in authentic life.

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Daniel Hegerich: I in in my own Catholic upbringing. Essentially, it was saying, I wasn't being more price like

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Daniel Hegerich: in my own special way, my own unique expression of that.

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Daniel Hegerich: So what I was doing I was living in authentic.

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Daniel Hegerich: That has 2 things. I had emotional

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Daniel Hegerich: lacking emotional literacy.

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Daniel Hegerich: And secondly, I wasn't really the true author and creative of my life.

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Daniel Hegerich: right. I was letting society tell me what to be and do. As I mentioned my parents, my mom especially sort of triggered in me that I had to be a doctor, lawyer, and engineer to receive the love of Mom, the appreciation and acceptance of Mom.

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Daniel Hegerich: So I do it, and it triggers, because obviously that wasn't me. And so if you in in the work, it's par it's a it's a trauma. In some ways it's parental disapproval

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Daniel Hegerich: because they were not in a they were inauthentic, and so they were projecting that on to the innocent child the innocent child feels responsible for their suffering.

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Daniel Hegerich: So how Can I be the good boy of the bad boy, you know. Good boy, bad boy, good girl, so I could fit in and be accepted for survival

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Daniel Hegerich: and they're not taught the way. So that started coming crashing into my mind. And then the behaviors, of course, was how I manipulated the world to get what I wanted, because happiness is outside of me. It's in what I get.

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Daniel Hegerich: and so we're even trained to manipulate the world. You know the soon as you know. Once mommy gives you that that that item outside of yourself that gives you a dopamine hit.

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Daniel Hegerich: Then you're going to fake your illnesses, your sicknesses. You're going to create illness and sickness to get the dopamine hit.

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Daniel Hegerich: how did I see that in that eternal moment with that question was profound. And so I came back, and he said, Dan, look at. I have one more thing to share with you with a little bit of suffering, you will grow stronger.

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Daniel Hegerich: And what he did was pretty awful, because I just seen I was inauthentic and not my true self. So he, when he said that I said, Wow! If I get stronger in that self that I want to be

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Daniel Hegerich: then I will liberate

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Daniel Hegerich: myself from the pain. In other words, entering the pain is a lot less painful than resisting it.

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Daniel Hegerich: 100, and that's the hero's call, because anybody that wants to go from where you are now to where you want to be. You're gonna have to enter into discomfort

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Daniel Hegerich: and essentially enter the dragons layer because something's missing in your life, and something is going to have to go in order for you to grow into the power of your own true self.

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Daniel Hegerich: right? And society. Isn't: set up that way.

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Daniel Hegerich: Okay, i'm sorry. Folks just get real society culture, and even probably your family traditions and stuff are not set up that way. In fact, they meant to keep you inauthentic.

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Blake Suzelis: Yeah, it will. And it's like we. We are there to set our identity based on numbers, right?

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Daniel Hegerich: It's like, what is the number in the bank account? What's the number on the scale. What's the number in my blood, count? Right? Like all these numbers, we we tend to define our side. Social security number. Yeah, exactly. You are now an agent of the Government collecting, you know, get to work because you need to collect your your money. So you become a slave, you know, in a in a

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Daniel Hegerich: a, an expanded version of slavery. You know I can't wait for you to work, so you can be a collector of income for us.

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Daniel Hegerich: and so we do create identity. And and then the household. We grow up and we create an identity to match this, the the environment

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Daniel Hegerich: right to take on the environmental psychological needs, not just the physical needs. We try to meet the psychological needs of the of the group of the tribe

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Daniel Hegerich: And then we seek because I don't feel that attachment to my parents and my dependency needs not being met. I don't have any. I don't feel like I'm safe in there.

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Daniel Hegerich: and so I find segregate ways to get that that that attachment need that dependency needs met. So i'm the good boy everywhere. And I need a lot of friends I need a lot of I. You know all the parents that that are outside my own parents. I have to make them surrogate parents.

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Daniel Hegerich: and you know that becomes a a problem down the road when i'm at starting to mature into a a grown adult. So cancer represent to me

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Daniel Hegerich: the opportunity to answer that question.

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Blake Suzelis: Hmm.

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Daniel Hegerich: But I didn't know, and I didn't have anyone around me to

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Daniel Hegerich: the only thing I could do was chemotherapy to buy me the time.

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Daniel Hegerich: So I knew chemotherapy did not answer the question

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Daniel Hegerich: How did I get to the business of cancer? I didn't take enough chemo going up? Oh, damn! They should have cut all the lymph nodes out, Why didn't they know right? It doesn't answer the question of process right? The subjective reality. It only medicine only takes you into an objective

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Daniel Hegerich: microscope of the problem. Seeing cancer as an as a as an object inside of you that needs to be removed.

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Daniel Hegerich: I had the opportunity to pull back and look at it as a telescope and say, let's look at the big picture of this process happening, and that was my engineering degree. So it's kind of funny. My mom's, my mom's pushed to go, and, you know, wounding to go be an engineer allowed my brain to train in a way that I could see problems from an engineering mindset.

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Daniel Hegerich: So while the blessing, you know, so it's some cancer. And that question from my oncologist was my new life syllabus.

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Daniel Hegerich: Yeah, to save my soul, the hero's journey. Save my soul! That's what that's what the hero's journey is, save your soul. So you can serve humanity more profoundly.

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Daniel Hegerich: That was what that was about. So why is cancer considered a disease? Because it's a ignorant way of looking at it? It's an arrogant way of looking at cancer. Cancer is not a disease. It's an expression of the disease.

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Daniel Hegerich: It's a separation from self. It's a loss of self somewhere. I get it. People are going to say, what about 5 year olds? What about 2 year olds where you don't think they're conscious beings?

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Daniel Hegerich: You don't think that they create a belief system around the feelings they're having.

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Daniel Hegerich: You don't think that they have autonomy.

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Daniel Hegerich: You have to watch a child, you know. Watch the children. They have autonomy, and it's this

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Blake Suzelis: and that's what happens. And then we like You said kind of our tribe has its way of doing things. To be able to meet each Other's needs. Sometimes it doesn't work, and that's that's the strategies we're trying to identify here and allowing us to step into

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Blake Suzelis: that hero role so that it's like we're not looking outside of us to feel up. We're not looking outside of us to feel acceptance. We already know that about ourselves. Anyway. I'm sorry I don't mean that's true. No, this is this is a great echo, because this is. This is how I want. I

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Daniel Hegerich: not to run away from it and go to the Ashram and spend 25 years trying to avoid your humanity. Which is is not all true. But some people that happens they come to a a crashing halt after 25 years, saying, I don't even know who I am anymore.

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Daniel Hegerich: I so I navigated this whole process 1,999 that's when the divorce happened. Oh, how do I develop you down out of joy. Well go to a place called the Option Institute to teach you how to be happy, how to choose happiness right, Barry Neil Copman's work. So I started that, and then

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Daniel Hegerich: they said, you just gotta do it. They to do whatever they tell you to do, and just they tell them what they want to hear. I'm like dude. I've been a match and manipulated my whole life Up to this point I got this covered. My family has taught me well, right. I know how to manipulate the world. This is easy.

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Daniel Hegerich: I was liberated in some of the gods, in in the sense that this was not for me ever again medicine. The the model was based on fear in my regard, not the individual people now.

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Daniel Hegerich: and at that time they was like, oh, your immune system shot you. You gotta, you know. Don't let anything touch you, you know. Wash your hands all the time is like If COVID-19 didn't tell you what? What i'm talking about. That's exactly what I had to go through internally and

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Daniel Hegerich: They're actually here as part of the hailing mechanism.

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Daniel Hegerich: We've been with them for for our entire evolution.

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Daniel Hegerich: And so I had to enter into that and stop the process and learn how to do that. In my Mentor Paul Check

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Daniel Hegerich: talk to David Webster. Get yourself a probiotic implant to put into the rectum, to start to get the bacteria into the rectum, because I was like i'm bacterial, deficient from that phobia.

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Daniel Hegerich: And that was a journey to start, and I looked at it. Big was I, said, Whoa! Our society. Our culture is bathing in anything to attack the germs.

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Daniel Hegerich: Not a good idea, because that means we are attacking each other.

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Daniel Hegerich: bacteria, viruses, parasites, all that we are that so if you're attacking them outside yourself, you're attacking it inside, because you're creating the culture from which we live in

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Daniel Hegerich: that psychologically says terms of No, no good; and if you saw the last 3 years we were what staying together by staying apart. This is not a good message.

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Daniel Hegerich: that we're with the germs. Okay, not gonna work out. Well gang in the in the long run, even in the short run it didn't work out. So

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Daniel Hegerich: back to the basics, I said, now what am I? What else am I afraid of? What was I Subconsciously, sub clinically. Maybe phobic about was saturated and fat as a handling modality.

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Daniel Hegerich: and people are like Whoa! Wait a minute. That's going to catch you off guard, because that's supposed to be the damning factor, and all our nutritional protocols is saturated animal. Fan.

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Daniel Hegerich: you name it. There's so many things that they play role, calcium, metabolism. Oh, geez, that's really big, and

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Daniel Hegerich: elect your lighting bell. So anyway, those 2 phobias were like. Oh, now i'm gonna enter that. So that was my path was following those 2, and it let me know Western a prices foundation for nutrition

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Daniel Hegerich: And when i'm nourished, I move in a certain way. I behave in a certain way when i'm Really, when my real needs are met and i'm nourished.

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Daniel Hegerich: So I had to stop putting it all together. And now you look at it, you know. Nutrition, movement, course, trauma, which I put into detoxification and healing. And then

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Daniel Hegerich: We've got the other one.

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Daniel Hegerich: Well, whatever doesn't matter, it's not coming to mind, because i'm i'm lined up already. So i'm hijacked.

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Blake Suzelis: Yeah, I said a lot. So what you just got a few minutes left here, so I I want to make sure that you You get to say what you want in these last few minutes here, because I mean we could probably go on for hours and hours and hours, because i'm fascinated by all this. But

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Daniel Hegerich: I do have an interview here in a couple of minutes, so let's close it out, sure. So I want to say that this led me to forming or hosting a podcast called do the cure.

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Daniel Hegerich: and it's purposes to obviously activate everyone so forth, so that they can actually make a contribution to the eradication of chronic degenerate disease as part of the human experience. We have created a toxic culture and a toxic society that festers and creates disease, dysfunction and delusion

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Daniel Hegerich: and denial of that is the delusion.

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Daniel Hegerich: right? And so we need to uphold that belief system unconsciously with the behaviors that we carry out to fit into the tribe

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Daniel Hegerich: to fit in and get that acceptance that we never really got when we were in in our environment.

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Daniel Hegerich: one you can become. You are the warrior, I mean you are it? You just have an app, answered the call, like Joseph Campbell's work. You haven't, answered the hit. Heroes call. You just Haven't answered it, or you've answered it.

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Daniel Hegerich: and you you! You come across the dragons layer, and you don't know how to deal with it. So

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Daniel Hegerich: you need guides. That's what they get. Every hero gets a guide and some friends when they go on the journey.

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Daniel Hegerich: So you need a guide. You need a mentor. You need a coach. You need someone to help you in that process.

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Daniel Hegerich: and if i'm right for you, please call me. It's a 30 min free call. If you want to call me at

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Daniel Hegerich: I'll give the number out in my website and stuff like that. But I just want people to be inspired like, really drive in and inspired means live in spirit with a good relationship with your soul and that inner voice. It might be small right now. It might be a whisper, but the more you listen to it you will grow stronger.

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Daniel Hegerich: and wounded child will be appeased and and nurtured and nourished. Because why? A hero is a protector.

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Daniel Hegerich: right? So a protector of what? Well, we're gonna protect our our natural beauty, intelligence, and compassion for life, for life itself. But a hero has strength for 2. Now, if we imagine a world that you were cultivating strength for 2, and everyone was doing that. It'd be a different world.

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Daniel Hegerich: right? So we need more heroes today, more than ever

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Daniel Hegerich: now. It's not speaking to everybody, of course, but if that speaks to you, my name is Dan Hegridge, and i'd love to be on your journey. You can find me at Dan hegerich.com

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Daniel Hegerich: my podcast is, do the cure with an acronym, c. Dot dot dot and don't ask what that stands for yet.

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Daniel Hegerich: you can call me or just email me at Dan Hegerich at yahoo.com. That's the best way I love to communicate to the email at best, and we'll set up a 30 min call and see if we're right, because an open dialogue is the very first place to start. If this

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Daniel Hegerich: triggered something in you, and you got at least one gold nugget of wisdom. So thank you, Blake, for having me on.

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Blake Suzelis: Oh, absolutely no! And I and I agree with you. 100, you know, when we feel like there's something we can step into with control and have control over something. What does it do? It increases hope so. Your story absolutely increased hope. It increased inspiration, and hopefully some motivation to act here. So

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thank you so much, Dan. I appreciate you coming on here, and Guys thanks for tuning in, and I look forward to continuing to talk more about living. Lucky next time. Have a great day. Everybody.