Luminate: Navigating the Unknown Through Creative Leadership
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Luminate: Navigating the Unknown Through Creative Leadership
15: From Classroom to Boardroom: Dr. Shawn Smith's Leadership Evolution
Imagine leading a diverse cultural, racial, and socio-economic school district serving over 16,000 students and 2,500 employees and being responsible for equal and equitable opportunities for all. When he became Superintendent for the Metropolitan School District of Lawrence Township in Indianapolis, Dr. Shawn Smith found himself in such a position. This episode provides a fascinating journey through Dr. Smith's storied career in K-12 education, and the leadership insights he's gained. From his early passion for social studies ignited by his grandmother's love for reading to his unexpected foray into administration, Dr. Smith's journey is a testament to the power of creative leadership.
This conversation delves into how Dr. Smith champions positive community partnerships, nurtures emerging leaders, and emphasizes the importance of investing in education. As we traverse through his leadership journey, he also underlines the significance of maintaining normalcy amidst crises and fostering personal relationships. Dr. Smith's belief in the potential of every child and education as a catalyst for uncovering it paints a hopeful picture for the future of public education. So, join us for this enlightening conversation and celebrate the transformative power of education and leadership.
Hello and thank you for turning in to Illuminate, navigating the unknown through creative leadership. I'm Sarah Hemsted, principal in charge and CEO of Schmitt Associates. Today, I'm joined by Dr Shawn Smith, superintendent of the Metropolitan School District of Lawrence Township and a good friend of ours, Committed to educating students and serving the Indianapolis community. Dr Smith's extensive K-12 career spans decades. He taught social studies at IPS in Washington Township schools, served as an assistant principal and principal at Eastwood Middle School and under his leadership, the school was awarded the coveted Four Star School Award by the State of Indiana. He was also named district principal of the year in 2003 by the Indiana Principals Association and served as president of the Indiana Association of Principals from 2006 through 2008. During a celebrated career in Washington Township, Dr Smith joined the Metropolitan School District of Pike Township, where he served as principal of Pike High School Freshman Center and led efforts to open the facility in 2004, before being promoted to director of student and community services and as the assistant superintendent of secondary education. In 2014, he was selected as the superintendent for Lawrence Township, which has over 16,000 diverse students and is the ninth largest school district in the state. In addition to his K-12 administrative career, Dr Smith is the current president of the Indiana Urban Schools Association, and this episode will dive into Dr Smith's experience and explore his unique perspectives on creative leadership.
Sarah:Thanks for joining us, Thank you. So I want to start with the beginning of your career in education, where you were a history social studies teacher. So what led you there? Was it a love of the actual subject matter? Was it a mentor? Was it a teacher?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Well, let's first of all start with my family dynamics. I was raised by my mother and grandmother, and my grandmother was a voracious reader, and so those of you out there who remember the good old encyclopedias at home that was the before the internet and websites and getting information you had a great encyclopedia at home. I was always tasked with reading with my grandmother, and then she was a covenant over owner of the reader's digest Anybody remember that.
Sarah:Oh, yes.
Dr. Shawn Smith:So growing up in, that home reading was very important. I had a choice either read that or grab the Bible, and so many times I selected the encyclopedias. So I became very quickly an expert in various topics related to the world and so I want to credit that social studies that come from my grandmother.
Sarah:So so was grandma or mom a teacher. Did they push you to do that?
Dr. Shawn Smith:No, no, they were not. They were very much good people who didn't have the opportunities that I had, but they were very pro education in our home. So I just thank them for their sacrifices and their commitment to education.
Sarah:So they pushed you to go to college. Where'd you go to college?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I went to Indiana University.
Sarah:To the great Indiana University.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I went to Indiana.
Sarah:That's right. And from Indiana University. What did you want to do? You left college and you wanted to do what?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I think during the period that I was at IU, probably 90% of the people on campus wanted to be the next business person. I was there during the 1980s and those of you who were from the era it was all about Wall Street, and so I think everyone that walked on that campus wanted to be a business major, and I thought about it. But I quickly changed my mind when I visited a friend, a first classroom in Annapolis Public Schools, and then I realized where my passion was, and so she asked me to come back every Friday to volunteer for her classroom, and the rest was history.
Sarah:So you had a good mentor.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I had a very good mentor.
Sarah:So from that mentor, you decided you were going to teach. As you started your career, what did you wish you knew, starting out in public schools as a young man?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I'm glad I didn't know anything because I really enjoyed it. I mean, I really mean that I've been doing this for 30,. This fall will start my 34th year and I could just remember walking in and being so excited about the kids. I caught the fever. I wasn't necessarily thinking about the money or I just really enjoyed working with young people and I learned that right away from my friend and the classroom became my passion, and so I didn't leave teaching to go do something else because I didn't enjoy it. I really enjoy being a teacher and a coach.
Sarah:So how'd you grow from being a teacher and a coach to moving into the administrative side? That's a big change.
Dr. Shawn Smith:That's a big change and I have to be honest with you I don't know how I did that. I shouldn't have ever showed up in Dr Rudy Wilson's office, who was my principal. Just a little known story I started off in IPS and during that time was the time period in which they began to lay off a lot of teachers. They had to lay a lot of teachers off because at that point court order desec bussing was taking place and kids were leaving IPS to go to the townships. And so I somehow, with blessing of God, got the opportunity to go to Washington township and I worked for a gentleman by the name of Dr Rudy Wilson as who's since passed.
Dr. Shawn Smith:He actually passed this year at 90 years old, and he hired me as a social studies teacher and I was probably in my fourth year, fifth year, of teaching, and he came to my classroom and said come see me. And he talked to me about administration and so said son, you need to go get your master's degree and I want you to be an administrator. And I said well, doc, I want to coach football. I got a whole group of eight graders that want to play football, and and and so the rest was history.
Sarah:What do you think Dr Rudy saw that made him come to your classroom that day?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Well, I think he saw my passion. I think he saw how well I interacted with the teachers at the school and the success that I had as a coach because we had some really good teams back then and we were doing great things. But I think he sat down and talked with me and kind of learned my history and my background and really encouraged me to become a leader.
Sarah:So one of the things I've always admired about Lawrence Township is it has a real sense of community, and you said team and you said community a couple times already. Talk about that a little bit. What do you do to create and enhance that sense of community?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I think I learned right away as a leader. The leader doesn't quite get to do it all by himself, and part of being a leader is a motivator of people and a courager, and I've been blessed to work in communities that really they had good people and so you just had to learn very quickly your success was going to be built on how well you're able to work with them and help them become successful. Kind of back to my days as a coach. I'm coaching a group of kids and how do you motivate 57th graders, 12 year olds? They don't have the kids put the uniforms on backwards and I'd have half the kids that knew how to play football. And so how do you motivate those kids? Well, you teach them and you become a motivating and a courage, and once I had success with that, I just continue to do that in all of my roles.
Sarah:When I look at your role right now, the Blue Ribbon Facilities Group was one of the first your first, really, as the top leader, bringing the whole community together. Do you've always worked in urban districts? And people coming from different spaces and places with different expectations. How do you make them into a team?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Yeah, that was challenging but also exciting, as I had the privilege of working in Pike Township during a time in which Pike had this enormous explosion and growth from being literally a rural district to urban, because they went from 5,000 to 10,000 students in like less than a decade. I mean just massive growth. So facility-wise they were really ahead of the game. And I showed up in Lawrence and we had really stopped doing building and renovating our buildings and, quite honestly, we were kind of in a tough period because at that time we had lost students because they had closed the building a few years before I became superintendent.
Dr. Shawn Smith:And so I became quickly a good listener and I just kept hearing pride over and over again and people who really wanted more from their district. And so I spoke with the board and the board said Dr Smith, we want our buildings to be like Pike, we want to be better. And so it was easy for me to rally the district because from the very top of the organization, the Board of Education saw the vision of us renovating and reinvesting into our buildings. And so I got that first year probably about a hundred plus people together to join our Blue Ribbon Facility Plan and we went around and looked at all the buildings. We talked about what was possible and then I realized we couldn't do this by ourselves. So we start calling our friends, a Schmidt and other places to help us bring that vision to reality, and it has created a lot of pride within our school district.
Sarah:One of the things I think is really cool about the vision you have for the district is you have so many innovative programs that you just don't see in other school districts. Talk about that for a minute. Where do those come from? Do they emerge from the community itself? Do you see a need in the workforce? Both end.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Yeah, I'm not gonna take all the credit, because there's been some great innovative leaders that have certainly led our district prior to me. I've been able to build on the excellence that they've created from the immersion program. Our investment that we have in career tech, with McKenzie being one of the just premier CTE programs, were vocational. For those of you out there Don't know what CTE is, I was gonna ask you to explain Exactly exactly.
Dr. Shawn Smith:And just really encouraging innovation. So it was really easy for me to lock in on that and really know the history of the community and just continue to build from the excellence that they had from the past.
Sarah:So tell me about an initiative you're working on now that you feel like really is unique to Lawrence Township.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Oh my, we have so many.
Sarah:I know it's like picking your favorite job. It is, and.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I have to go to the jugular and really I got one A and one B. If we're gonna talk about where we are right now, you gotta talk about the two high schools at the same time, cause you're not gonna find, sarah, as you well know, in the state of Indiana, really in the Midwest, a district with two large, comprehensive high schools and attacking them both at the same time. Renovation of Lawrence Central and Lawrence North High School is probably one of the most challenging tasks that I've ever had, because not only do we have to renovate them, they have to be equal and they have to be very good, because both sides of the community want excellence. And so just taking on a project that large and if we look down, I think, sarah, it's probably right now one of the largest school projects bar none in the state of Indiana, I think you're right has been a challenge.
Dr. Shawn Smith:But two years ago, after the pandemic, we really delve deep into who we are as a community and really taking a look at how students are performing, and so our equitable student outcome report that we put together, really diving into the success of all students of all races and all backgrounds as an institution. How can we change who we are to make students better and using data looking at how we run our organization, created a heck of a report. You can go online and look at it and it's called our Equitable Student Outcome Report. It's a game changer because now it's truly guiding everything we're doing, from construction to the day-to-day operations, to even how we're hiring teachers and what we're teaching in our district.
Sarah:You've used competition in a positive way and a lot of what we're talking about a competition between being the high schools both great and both equal, taking a team and raising the bar about where we can be comparing to Pike. Talk about that. Talk about the nature of competition and public education.
Dr. Shawn Smith:It's different because educators are wired to. We're helpers, we don't take a business approach. But we're having to change because competition is a way of life now. This whole talk about school choice has really changed how public schools approach their mark today. We didn't have this conversation 34 years ago, but today it's very much a part of who we are and what we do. It's easy to jump on, because I work in a district where a lot of people have a lot of pride in their community. They're winners, they've won state championships, they want to be a competitive. But it has really changed how we are approaching our day-to-day operation because we have to market, we have to talk about our excellence a lot differently than what we did when I first started.
Sarah:Do you think that spills over to the community? Writ large it does.
Dr. Shawn Smith:It does, I think, parents generally. Today and I'm becoming an older, my kids are all adults now. Parents are wired for that. They want to know what do you do? Well, I have choices Good, bad Whereas my parents woke up and said the schools on 40th and Capital, that's where I expect for you to go. You better not be late. You go to Broad River High School. Those people better not call me on the phone. It's a little bit different. People just approach everything in our society today looking through the lens of what's best for me, and so public schools have had to adjust to that.
Sarah:So one of the things about positive competition is that you can set the standard and help bring along emerging leaders, whether they work for you or whether they work anywhere else. What's that look like in the educational context of Central I?
Dr. Shawn Smith:think it's critical because we're at a point coming out of the pandemic. We begin to realize that we're we don't have enough people in the profession and we're certainly lacking the dedicated leaders that we had years ago. So what we're going to do is we're going to set the standard for each of those. We're beginning to realize we have to grow our own and really encourage the younger generation to take our place. And we have to do that because what we do in education is so profound.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I think we look at schools and we look at a test score, a one data piece, but education is deeper rooted than test scores. It's a way of life. It's motivating and encouraging young people to do great things, things that their parents don't even think about. My oldest daughter is a medical doctor and I take credit for feeding her, clothing and giving her everything we can, but I didn't encourage her to become a biology major in college. It was her ninth grade science teacher. And so we go through this journey of life and there's so many people that touch you. But education has a lot to do with that and we have to acknowledge that and we have to grow that and cultivate it. If we want great people in our community. We want innovative people in our society. We've got to invest in them through their education.
Sarah:So no, that's a great point. When I came home and told my mother I should be an architect, she said what's an architect? Because a teacher told me maybe I should look at doing that. Thank you.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Sarah, thank you for acknowledging that, and we send that message to all the educators, because that's why we do what we do. We certainly don't do it for the money.
Sarah:We do it because of the people part.
Dr. Shawn Smith:We're people oriented.
Sarah:Now I would be remiss. You brought up the pandemic and I would be remiss if I did not say you were the sole person I knew during the pandemic who woke up the next day when school was not opening and still put on your three piece suit and your tie. There's a reason that you did that Right. Talk about that.
Dr. Shawn Smith:You know, in the middle of a crisis, we can't lose the fact of who we are and what we do.
Dr. Shawn Smith:One of the things that I learned from the pandemic is that we needed one another and leadership had to go to a whole nother level to keep people calm and focused, because I think it took us maybe a week or two to realize we really need schools open for all the above reasons and various reasons for different kids. So I tried to maintain a sense of normalcy during a time of crisis to keep people motivated and encouraged, because at some point we were gonna have to come back to school and the kids needed to be back in school. So my team worked very hard to figure out plans and ways that we could get kids back inside of school and back to normal, and it was challenging. We got a lot of negativity I never received bad notes out there, folks, until the pandemic came along from people because of opening or closing school, but at the end of the day, it wasn't about whether we wanted to open a closed school. We needed to figure out what we need to do for our children, and so we just stayed focused on that.
Sarah:When you are modeling normalcy and the situation that was not normal, when you're getting up and putting on your tie every day, whether on zoom meetings or not, what, what did you do as a leader to stay Enterdice and ready for the next day?
Dr. Shawn Smith:as a leader, Well, let me tell you what's there. Zoom was not my friend. I Was not a fan of it.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I'm a people person and I had to figure out a way to get back in the office and start Interacting with people and people that I knew, because it was not good enough for me to have zoom meetings all day. I Stay, I stay connected. I talked to people on the phone. I call folks and I tried to find a way to to make sure all of my people were okay. But my ministries will tell you I had one meeting with all my friends. I had all my administrators give us 80 of us on zoom, and that drove me crazy because I couldn't get personal With all 80 of there. I mean somebody talking. I'm used to being in a room with them, and so we we ended that and then I said I'm gonna talk to each individual. So I began to go around and talk every day with a group of principals, a group of my central office people, to make sure that Everybody was fine, and so a phone call was my, my poison. It kept me going.
Sarah:So you went back to building community?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Yes, I'm back to build the team building your community.
Sarah:Yeah, let me talk to my people so what have you learned from that lesson, about communication that you use now and your day-to-day, and what makes you better leader now?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I Think not to take it for granted. I think sometimes, when problems come along or issues were quick to point fingers or blame, and I Think there's never enough communication with people. I Use the power of the office, I use the power of walking and visiting people. I think sometimes we get caught up with our cell phone, pointing to my cell phone folks that a quick tweet, a quick email I know I've got Gen Xers that I lead and they're they're ill, they're having something personal, and they will email me, a text me, and Immediately they'll get a call from me or my sister saying come to my office.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Well, I'll be over to see you, because if you're ill and I'm your leader and you leave one of my divisions or schools, that's important to me I can't, a school can't operate without the principal, that's right. So I you don't text or email me. You're gonna see me, we're gonna talk, tell me what's going on. I need to see your facial expression, I need to feel your body language and how can I support you? So I just believe in in order to be a great servant leader is you got it? You got to be with people, okay.
Sarah:Do you feel like the next generation of students is gonna have a harder timeline?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Yeah, they're gonna have a hard time with it because we become so relying on our phones and the Texting and the, the FaceTime that we're losing human interaction. Some of my best leadership with young people was Showing up every day in the time shirt and showing them being a role model for them, mm-hmm, pointing out to them when they were doing something wrong, encourage them, give them a high five, telling the kid hey, I'm gonna beat your football game tonight. Run two touchdowns for me. And the kid remember that. And they run him and say, mr Smith, I can you see what I did for you? Yeah, you did that. You don't get that through the interaction of a, of a device. And we got it. We got to remember that that humans need each other. They need to interact with one another and encourage and motivate.
Sarah:So if you look back on the very beginning of your career, to where you are now, what do you wish? You would have known if you could tell that young man oh. Man if I could.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I Think when I first started in education, I and I still have this passion today that Teachers and administrators can make a difference for kids. As you move over, slide over to the business side of it, that's where it gets complicated. If I could have what I'm dangerous today because I know a lot and I still. I don't think I'm that smart either because I'm constantly learning.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Okay, it's another message to leaders we don't know at all is the business side of educating children is a lot more enormous than I knew at 22 years old and I came right into the profession and it's enormous and I wish I would have known that at 22 and I think most of my young teachers and even some of my vet veteran teachers don't understand the gravity of normity of the business side of educating kids. It's huge.
Sarah:What would you have done differently, had you known that then?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I probably would approach things at an earlier age and really spoke out more positively about the work that teachers do. The investment we make in young people is priceless, but there's cynics out there that think it doesn't make a difference. And it does make a difference, and I have countless number examples of a public school turning a kid from zero to 10. A public school taking a kid who is now leading a major corporation, and it was all inspired by one teacher. But then we talk about education in terms of numbers and the business side of it, and if this kid doesn't achieve, then this school is a good school and this is a bad school, and I'm of the belief that all schools need to be good. Every kid that attends a school, I don't care what type of school it is they must have great experiences, they must achieve. These kids must graduate because they've got to take our place as adults.
Sarah:What happens if we don't do that, if we don't start to value every kid?
Dr. Shawn Smith:every school. We're gonna see a divide in this country like we've never seen before and we're gonna waste a lot of talent. I just firmly believe that all children have gifts. It's just what do we put into them? There is so much talent in the world that we can't waste, and I think humans and their natural being is that. Natural being is that they're wired to do something, and so what are we gonna do with them? Right, what are we gonna do with people? We're worried about having people work, or let's find young people's talents and strength and let them go at it. That's why I'm always I've always been a motivator in their courage. When a kid comes to me and say they've got a dream, I wanna believe in it and then tell them how to do it, but I don't discourage them.
Sarah:No matter what, it is no matter what.
Dr. Shawn Smith:It is okay, unless they tell me they're just not gonna do anything and sit on mama dad's couch.
Sarah:Well, that's not very good, that doesn't count, that's not gonna happen.
Dr. Shawn Smith:But I wanna encourage young people to do great things and that's where we have to be extremely careful of saying good kid, bad kid, good school, good community. It's about opportunities that we provide to young people.
Sarah:No, I think that's right, and as you watch the debate nationally and locally about what's our investment worth, I mean I'd put the first dollar towards education, because what's your other choice?
Dr. Shawn Smith:What's the other choice for the kids? Absolutely, and some kids are very blessed from their home and their environment. Some are less than some don't have that, and the one equalizer is that we can get them inside of a place where adults really care about them and hope for the best for them.
Sarah:School may be the only place that they got a smile and a pat on the back. Absolutely, absolutely. That's worth something.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Thank you guys.
Sarah:All right. So, as a leader, constant reflection on how we're doing now, what we wish we could have done better and what we wish people will say about us someday. So someday when you're done with your leadership journey. What do you hope people say For me personally, for?
Dr. Shawn Smith:me personally. I just want to be known as an educator. You don't even have to call me a superintendent, former principal. All the things I've done is not just no, that Dr Smith wasn't educated.
Dr. Shawn Smith:He was a teacher. He was a teacher of young people and supported adults. Nothing special, because I think that in itself is of great respect and pride. I prided myself on being a teacher and for the last 30 plus years I've had a pluribus of staying in the profession and really, truly, maybe you only had a few days. Most of the bad days have come as superintendent, but I've enjoyed every day.
Sarah:So what do you do for your own health and wellness to make sure that you keep enjoying every day?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I'm at age now, where they tell you if you don't do something right, and so I try to take care of myself. Plenty of rest, and I have been very blessed. I've had a beautiful family, friends, and I just try to enjoy myself when I'm away from work. I am a raster. I like to rest, but I'm also a busybody, so I'm always reading something, doing something, but at the same time, I know the value of resting because I have a very demanding job. Sometimes people ask what do you do on Friday night? Well, I have two high schools.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Somebody's got a gang and somebody in the community wants to see me, I want to talk to somebody. Plus, I just enjoy watching kids be successful. So when it's time to go home, I do find time to rest.
Sarah:That's good. That's good, all right. So I've got two final questions. Yes, one just for you and one that I ask everybody. So tell me one of your most inspiring stories. I know it's like picking your favorite child working in education. What's a story you go back to as a touchstone of this is worth it, right?
Dr. Shawn Smith:I think the touchstones are when I hear the voices of kids and I hear Mr Smith or Dr Smith, and they will say something that I said to them years ago. Like Mr Smith, you remember, you told me I could do this and then I realized, oh my God, they listen to what we say and how we do it. I'm a superintendent and one of my wonderful young men and his daughter is an incredible athlete for us. He called me in. The first thing he said was coach, and I'm thinking, oh man, I did coach you, marcus, and I need this and you can remember everything. Can you help me with this? And this young man is 45 years old. Then you realize, oh my God, what this is all about. So those are my fondest memories Is the young people that I've worked with who remember something, or interacting with former students who now work for me. They're teachers and administrators, and that's what it's all about. Then you know, okay, we're doing something right, okay.
Sarah:All right. So my last question what do you recommend everybody pick up and read?
Dr. Shawn Smith:Oh my God, I am a well, I'm a former social state, so anything that's historical. I'm a voracious reader of the newspapers and I do go online. Now, dana, I do.
Dr. Shawn Smith:I don't have to have that, but although I do get a couple of them tomorrow, I still like the Indie Star paper. It comes in my office but I read everything that's news, but I have my habits. I am a big fan of Henry Lewis Gates. I love reading his books, but one of my all-time favorite books is a book called Lincoln on Leadership, donald Phelps. I have edition one, two and three. He's got three editions of it.
Dr. Shawn Smith:Anyone out there that's in leadership you need to read this book on. Who I believe is one of the most fascinating leaders in American history is Abraham Lincoln, and I think every leader can relate to him in some way or the other. If you're a person out there who has failed at everything you've done, he's got you covered. But this book points to the qualities that Lincoln had. In these essential qualities from character, integrity, being able to speak and communicate are really helpful tips, and one who is in leadership, and I just highly recommend it's an easy read.
Dr. Shawn Smith:If you don't want to read the whole thing, go to the back of each chapter for those of you like to cheat and read the important points that they make about Lincoln's leadership, and so I have something within my school district called our Teacher Leadership Academy. We will celebrate our 10th cohort this fall. It's my way of teaching. My principals recommend teachers to want to become leaders to be in my class and for an entire year. I teach them about leadership, and one of the cornerstones of this program is each individual is required to read Lincoln on leadership with me, and so I still teach there.
Sarah:Dr Smith, I always learn something when I spend some time with you. Thank you so much for taking the time today.
Dr. Shawn Smith:My pleasure.
Sarah:This has been a great conversation. I love hearing about Lawrence Township and if you, all listeners, want to learn more about Lawrence Township yourself and progress in the district, visit LTSchoolsorg and see the great work that's happening there. Thanks for listening to Luminate navigating the unknown through creative leadership. We hope this episode has inspired you, giving you some new book to pick up and read, and supplied some valuable insight into the world of creative leadership. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast wherever you get your podcast, so you never miss an episode, and we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. So feel free to reach out on Facebook, instagram, linkedin at Schmidt Associates and on Twitter at Schmidt underscore a source. And until next time, keep navigating the unknown with creativity and confidence.
