Off in the Reeds: Episode 2- Alien Experiencer, Chris

This week Stevenson, from That's Effin' Weird, joins us to interview our special guest Chris about all things strange. We definitely focus on firsthand experience surrounding aliens, but we peruse some of the weirder aspects of "the phenomena." 

Personal growth seems tied to experiences as does intention. Listen in to this special episode with Chris to hear about his life and his brush with the paranormal and extraterrestrial. 

If you are an experiencer or seeker wishing to share your story, or if you'd like to come on the show and get "Off in the Reeds," please email us at Podcast@MostMillennial.Media 

Transcript

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I know that the paranormal is real. Listen.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Hello and welcome to our second episode of Off in the Reeds. I've got a really cool guest here today. They had a term called noesis. And uh noesis is more of an experiential knowing. It's a deep knowing that you get only when you experience something. My guest today is uh Chris, and he's an experiencer of paranormal and strange events. And I can't wait to introduce you to our guests. So thank you so much for joining us today.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Oh, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Yeah, man. This is like, I don't know, we we met at a Super Bowl party not too long ago, uh, and uh we started talking about our interests and the weird stuff in the skies, and it just kind of like snowballed from there. So thank you so much for coming on. Um, do you want to introduce yourself and and uh tell the guests who you are and and all that good stuff? Or all our our uh audience, I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Well, my name is Chris, I'm from San Antonio. You know, like you say, we met during the Super Bowl party. It wasn't very good, but the conversation was even way better.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah, yeah, the game itself was kind of uh boring. Exactly. Um but yeah, we started talking about all kinds of weird, cool stuff. Um and I really appreciate you coming on to share some of those those paranormal experiences. Um I think in the course of our initial conversation, it really came out that your family has been experiencing some of this stuff. Do you think that it's something special about your family in particular or how you were brought up, or just that you guys have eyes to see these things? What's your hunch?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Well, I think if you ignore it, you you'll ignore it, but like if your mind is open, you'll be seeing things. Yeah. For for the most part, most of my family's always seen stuff around the house, but I hear stuff, you know, like um cabinets shutting and closing. Yeah. Knowing nobody's there. But you know, for most of us, we always ignore that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

I think for me, we ignore it because it's creepy. Like it, like it's scary, maybe because it's something unexplained. But why do you think people generally ignore stuff like that?

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Well, because it kind of scares them, you know. Who knows what's gonna happen when life finishes? Yeah. You know, I heard this um really good quote from somebody, I can't remember who it is. He said, Don't look for love and don't look for death, because they'll both find you in time.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

I I like that. That's a very that's that's a very pointed conversation starter there, too. Do you think that most of the unexplained is something from the afterlife or something spiritual, or do you have a theory for how it all works, I guess?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Well, I think that's one of the biggest questions everybody's ever asked. Like, what happens afterwards, right? Yeah. But I I saw this thing on like where the Teslas, you know how it it um it picks up biometrics with their camera, yeah. And then people go to the graveyards and they see people walking around.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

I saw that video. It was like a million of the little AI generated people on the Tesla screen.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Okay, so what is that?

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Right? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's picking up the gravestones or picking up like spirits or I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

It picks up the shape of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Yeah, so that's a good segue to I grew up watching Ghost Hunters. I don't know. Did you oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they've always got their gadgets, they've got like the electromagnetic frequency thing, they've got the microphone that is turned all the way up, they've got like temperature sensing stuff. They always are this close to getting evidence on that show, and then something malfunctions. Do you think that our instruments are able to detect the paranormal or the spiritual?

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Well, I think watching TV, it's always gonna seem fake to you. It's just like uh looking for Bigfoot, you know? Yeah, like if somebody says, Oh, I saw them and heard them or whatever, you're never gonna there's always gonna be doubts until you experience something for yourself, yeah, then it's gonna open your mind to other things. That's why I think a lot of people always show up to the the most haunted places in New Orleans, or you know, they wanna I think they because they they want to experience something like is there something after life, you know, like if you keep going, or you know, I I I have a cousin, he almost died not too long ago. Uh he was on life support for a long time. Yeah. And uh the craziest thing when he came out of his coma, that he said what he saw, he said he saw this guy with uh this guy with long white hair and uh uh long beard. Wow. And he said that he was telling them, like, are you gonna take me home? The guy didn't say nothing. He said he said no, like with his fingers, yeah, and then kind of like gave him like go back.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Whoa, okay, like signaled him like no, it's not your time, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

And at the same time when he did that, he threw the finger at him. Like, what is that about it? Who knows if it's a hallucination or or maybe something spiritual, or you know how they always say God has a uh how do you say a sense of humor?

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Yeah, you know, I think that's a comedic thing, and I definitely want to get into um near-death experiences too, because that's kind of like the border here. Well, Chris, we've also got our friend Stevenson on on the pod tonight. Um, Stevenson is from a podcast that I've gotten to guest with called That's F and Weird, which is a great segue for this episode. Uh tonight we're talking about everything that's F and Weird. Um, so Stevenson, we're just kind of discussing a little bit of near-death experiences and how that seems to be where the veil's the thinnest. And I don't know, have you had any experiences or read anything about near-death experiences, or what are your general thoughts regarding that?

SPEAKER_04 7:23

So when it comes to I feel like now this is purely just my opinion and everything like that, um, but near-death experiences, I mean, I first off, I can't imagine what it would feel like to go through something like that. So if if someone has gone through something like that, I again I can't imagine what it what it feels like, what the uh what maybe like the trauma is then thereafter. Um but just thinking about near death experiences and everything, it reminds me of something called. Oh, I I might this might not be the correct name, but it's called third person syndrome or third person phenomena, something on the lines of that. Uh are you familiar with it? Have you heard about that? Is that kind of like out-of-body experiencing or also projection, something like that? It's it what it is exactly. So what happens is this happened, it's it's really weird because it I feel like, or what I've read about or heard about, is it happens more uh with mountain climbers and people that are climbing like these huge peaks, is that they get to this point where they're completely exhausted, they like it could be either a near-death experience or like they're trying to survive, or something on the lines of this where like they just feel like they can't go on any further, and they're at the point of like breaking, and these people experience w this this entity or this person or this being that is giving them like this energy or this motivation or whatever you call it to keep going. And it's interesting because it it's recorded to happen like through like many people have experienced this. So when I think of like a near-death experience, I don't know why, but that to me that just kind of comes to mind where it's one of these things where you know maybe there's some sort of like entity or being, or because you we've all heard of like guardian angels and things like that. Um, where it's it I feel like there there possibly is something out there, maybe a little bit more supernatural that we just don't understand that is either guarding us or you know, looking out for us in some sort of way, whether that actually be like you know, spirits or maybe like aliens. I I love aliens, so I was reference them, but you know, it's yeah, so it's that's I guess when I think of near death experiences, that that just kind of comes to mind. Um, but that's kind of just my my two cents on it.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

Thank you. Yeah, thank you for for sharing that. Um yeah, one of the things that Chris and I just briefly like circling back to like the shadow experiences that you saw, like almost like the night terrors or the uh sleep paralysis sort of thing, it seems like there is a flip side to that. Um Chris, do you think that this is like a good versus evil thing, or do you think it's like an ecosystem where there's sharks but there's also fish and there's also octopuses and coral? Like there's no good or evil, it's just a bunch of things existing, or do you think it is like black and white, good versus?

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Oh no, there's good and evil. That that's why, like what what your buddy was just talking about.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

There's been songs and poems about that, like where they hear voices, hey, go this way, go that way, and and it saves them from dying, or I I forgot what that song was, just where he was going through something and and he only saw one pair of footsteps behind him, but at the end he recognized he wasn't walking, God was carrying him. Yeah. And and that's a question, like, who's that voice?

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

You know?

SPEAKER_02 11:10

How do you if there is that good versus evil framework, how do you decide?

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Like, is it just like a feeling like this is clearly evil, or is it I I think the I think a higher power inject injected that into us because nobody has to tell us, oh, that's wrong or that's bad. Like, for ourselves, we'll we'll feel that. Yeah, like oh man, did I just do some scumbag shit? Or you know what I mean? Yeah, and and and that's whose voice is it? Is it yours? Is it coming from somebody else? But like the conscience, remember like Pinocchio? Yeah, he always had somebody something inside. And I think that we all have that. Yeah. And I don't know where it comes from, but it it's gotta come from somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

I think so too. And I think my viewpoint is there is good and evil, just like there's good and evil people. There's people that choose to fuck other people over for no particular reason just because they like it. And then there's people that will stop because your truck has a flat and they'll make sure that you know, oh, do you need some water? Do you need us to help get this figured out? Uh like there's genuinely good out there, just like evil, but also I think that there is my personal belief is that there is almost like this ecosystem of of beings and spirits, maybe that are maybe not evil, maybe not good. They're just kind of like doing their own thing. But I don't know. I don't know. I I do think that you're right though, that there are some that are absolutely good and some that are absolutely not good.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Well, I I've been I've been in trouble before, you know. Yeah, I did a little bit of time in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Yeah. And I'll tell you one thing, there are sons of bitches out there that are pure evil. Yeah. Like, yeah, there's no good in them. Yeah, I've experienced those people, unfortunately. You meet other people that you think to yourself, like, what are you doing here? You know, yeah, might have caught up with the wrong people or hung out with the wrong crowd, but I think that we have that sense, or or some of us don't, you know, they'll be blind and they'll lie to themselves, but yeah, you know how they say the first reaction is always the best reaction? Yeah. And I think you should always follow that. Kind of trust your gut, yes, certainly.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Stevenson, I don't know if you've uh we've talked a little bit about this briefly. I don't I don't know if you've been an experiencer before, but what is your opinion? Because I don't know that any of us know for sure whether there's true good, true evil spirits or paranormal or phenomenon or aliens. I don't know how you want to s label it, but do you think what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_04 14:09

I think that and this is kind of why I I started my podcast too, and the name fits very well, that's definitely weird, is because I I truly do believe that there is so much about the world and the universe that we live in that is very hard to explain. And a perfect example of this, right, is that um now that it not to get off like super off topic or anything like that, but since the recent uh astronauts went back to the moon and everything, um, a lot of people have been putting on Reddit, because I love Reddit, um, like just like stuff about the universe and space and everything like that. And there is one specific uh Redditor or YouTuber who kind of like puts it into perspective where he's like, Okay, this grain of sand represents the earth, and then they put it next to the sun, and then it's like holy cow, like we are just a speck compared to the sun, and then like they zoom out even more, and they're like, Okay, now this grain of sand is the sun, and they put it next next to the next perspective of like the next biggest thing. What I'm getting at, right, is that we are so small compared to like the rest of the universe, and like when people like you know, they say like this is the most observable part of the universe, it's not very big, and so that's that's kind of what I'm getting at with like there is so much that we truly don't know and understand that who's to say that there really is not, you know, some sort of spirits or entities or again aliens out there that are playing some sort of you know, you know, playing some sort of I guess actions into our lives and into our thoughts and everything like that. And again, like this this comes up to like the whole uh like matrix theory and simulation theory where it's like, okay, are we all really just plugged into this huge machine and are we just like sitting in these pods and everything like that? I know this it may not seem like it's staying on topic and everything like that, but it really is just one of those things where it's like how I guess what I'm getting at is like how can you really know or who's to say that something is not real and what is real? It's so hard to tell. And then again, that's kind of like when I do my interviews and everything like that, like with people who've had experiences or say that they've you know spoken to higher powers, it's like it's it's very possible that these things have happened. Um as far as good and evil goes and everything. Um I it's it's so weird because if you just look at like base like on time and religion and everything like that, that seems to be like the theme ongoing. Like I I I grew up Christian, so uh that's that's what I can reference. But you have you know the Jesus, you have the devil, you have the angels, you have demons, things like that. Uh, but I do know in other religions too that that follows kind of the same theme where there is it seems to be this good versus evil. So I I do think that is all around us, and I do agree with you too, Reed, where it's it could be something where like, okay, there's good and evil, but there's also you know, just probably spirits just hanging out doing their own thing. I mean, you look at um when people go investigating, uh, when they do like ghost hunting and things like that, um, or when people live, I I guess a better example of this is uh when people like live in a house and things happen. They're not necessarily bad or good, or it's like, hey, I put like you know, my glass of water right here, but now it's on the other side of the table. It's nothing malicious or anything like that, but it's just like these weird occurrences happen. So I I think it's it's kind of all over the place where it there is good, there is evil, but then there also is this kind of medium area, and again, kind of wrapping it all together, the universe is so big to that I I do think that there's a lot going on that we just we can't wrap our heads around.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

So that's funny you said about the matrix. You ever heard about those DMT studies with the uh laser get the laser? Okay, I have a laser because I do construction, yeah. I just don't have DMT a little harder to get the laser, maybe. See, and that that's what that's what trips me out about the whole thing. How can so many people be seeing the same thing? Yeah, okay, and then like I know I understand like everything on the internet, a lot of things are hard hard to believe. But I got one, I just need one more, and yeah, after that we we'll figure it out. Yeah, because they said that when you expand it, that you could see numbers and signs and yeah, and then like everybody sees the same thing, right? Yeah, and and that DMT comes from the root somewhere uh of what they mix it up in in the Amazon?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah, uh for our listeners who maybe don't know this experiment, there's a guy named Danny Gowler, and uh he does a YouTube channel called Dango Thoughts now, but he started off as a Redditor who did an experiment with DMT, and he was doing a lot of self-exploration with DMT, and he almost had like this inspiration like I should use a laser. It was almost like a muse giving him this information, right? And then he shines the laser on the wall and he sees what he describes as self-executing code, so almost like a program running behind and in the wall of his his apartment or wherever he was. And when he is like seeing these symbols, he started showing it to other people, and they like described and drew the exact same symbols. So Stevenson, have you heard of that guy?

SPEAKER_04 19:43

Yes, yes, actually I have. Um I I didn't know the name of the video or the guy who had conducted that, but I did see that uh while scrolling through scrolling through uh Reddit. So yes, I am not familiar, but I do know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Yeah, it's interesting, weird stuff, and I think maybe that's that's a segue to like uh if you if you're up for it, Chris, talking about maybe like some of the psychedelic side of things because DMT is that's it's in ayahuasca. Yes, sir. That's the tea that we're talking about with the the root and the vine, which is the MAOI inhibitor, and you have to combine them specially to have this tea that is ayahuasca, and it makes you shit your pants and see God.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Like no, it's entities, and they all see different entities, and some of the entities it it's a jaguar, right? Right, and did you know that the jaguar digs up the same route and chews on it? That's right, and and he'll he'll lay it, he'll lay out just tripping balls, you know. I forgot about that, yeah. And and a lot of times when people do that, they see the jaguar. Yeah, so I I think there's something some kind of connection there, you know? And and a lot of people say that when they come back from that, that everything seems like claymation, like oh interesting. Like if it's fake, like the life that you're living in right now is is kind of fake, you know?

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Yeah. What do you think what what do you think the role of psychedelics in understanding the world is?

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Well, I don't know, man, but I've done shrooms and I've talked to a couple of friends of mine, and when I've done shrooms, I look up at the sky and all the stars connect. Yeah. You know, that like there's like a little like a like a string connecting all the stars. Oh, interesting. And at the end of the day, that what hits me, it seems like a brain like firing off. Yeah, you know, when they so when they show that on like neurons or nerve cells, yes, sir, exactly. That's what I'm talking about, and that's what I see because you see like and I the only time I've ever seen it, I've never seen it, you know, when I smoke a little bit of weed or nothing, yeah, but every time I do a little bit. The psychedelics like all the stars connect and then it's like you see the neurons firing off.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Yeah, like communicating somehow or so I guess my question would be do uh do you think that psychedelics open things up as far as like like I guess there's three trains of thought. It's a hallucination, it's something that we're just imagining when that happens. It is number two, maybe like senses that are opened where it's like now we can see it. Or three, like maybe it's something else entirely and and now we're going to a different place almost or like transporting our consciousness.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I think I think your brain has to be open for it because if you're going through like a shitty time, yeah, and you do that, you're gonna have a really bad trip, or you know, but if you're you know you have an open mind and you're just uh going through life, yeah, like like just seeing things as they are, I think that it might open your your brain up to different senses, you know.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

I wanna I I agree with you. I think that you see a lot of quote unquote trip reports, you see a lot of people who have very, very similar experience, whether that's DMT or mushrooms or whatever else is because I don't think they were ready for it.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

You know, I think that emotionally and and mentally they weren't they were trying I think they weren't ready for it. I think they're they they should have kind of like focused on themselves a little bit more. Okay, and then you know, because everybody has trauma, right? But yeah, it just depends on where your state of mind is at the time.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah, I agree with you. I think that that is why it can be therapeutic for people. I think that's why Trump just signed that bill with Joe Rogan in the White House. Did you see this? Yes, oh yeah, yep, yep. Yeah, and so now psychedelic research can actually happen instead of being behind a federal prison sentence, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

I think if it could help a lot of people to break out of addiction, yeah, because uh I used to be like really bad, you know, like on that path, and the only thing that broke me out of that was getting locked up and staying away. Okay, you know, yeah, and at the same time, oh I did a year in solitary confinement. That's a long time, yes sir. So that whole time you're just like diving into yourself because you don't have a radio, you don't have anything, and the only thing you could think about is all like every time you fucked up, every time you hurt somebody, every time like you were acting like a piece of shit, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I think that changes a person to self-reflect. Yeah. And it if you don't have time to self-reflect on yourself, I think you just keep going through the motions, yeah, and that that um like you never fix yourself.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yeah, that's that's a really good point, and it maybe this is a very personal question, but after that experience and after going through that fixing yourself process, did you see more of like the beneficial spirits that you would say, or m less of the dark spirits, or did you see a change at all?

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Okay, when I was doing bad, I used to have really bad night terrors. You know what a succubus is? Yeah. Okay, I've actually I don't know what it was, but I've pretty much actually seen it. You know, like where the hair is across my face, I can't move, I'm screaming my head off. Yeah. And like the only way you could wake up if somebody wakes you up, you know? Yeah. And I I haven't had that experience in over like nine years.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Oftentimes people like feel the weight on their chest and feel like it's hard to breathe. Did you have that at all?

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Or two nights ago.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

I I've like it hasn't happened to me in a long time, and then two nights ago, dude, it was uh fucking worse. And excuse me, I talked to one of my buddies about it. He's really religious. Yeah. And he showed me a quote from the Bible. I I don't remember what quote it was, but it was really like it hit me really hard. It was saying, like, when you push the demons out, like out of your life, and you're not and you're trying to live your life righteous, yeah. That the demon will go get his friends and come back even stronger. Okay. You know? And I think that's I think that's what was going on. He was just like, hey, let's go check up on this guy, see if he wants to fuck up a little bit more. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

That had to be kind of a scary wake up or scary.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

It was it was horrible. And and and even if you say it was a dream, like you're not gonna remember, like when you wake up, you're just gonna know that yeah, you were terrified, and it was kind of freaky, dude.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Yeah. I've never actually that's not true. Personally, when I was a young, young kid, I woke up and had one of the like night terror sort of things that you're describing, where I saw these shadowy figures in my closet as a kid, and I hear them whisper to each other, and I sit up and I'm awake, and I'm still hearing whispering, and then I call out to my mom, and I'm like, Mom! And then everything stops, and I'm just sitting there staring at my closet, like, what I was like six years old, so I didn't say what the fuck, but I thought what the fuck for a six-year-old, and uh tried to be a little bit quiet. Uh yeah, yeah, it tried to like settle down a little bit, but um they yeah, I don't know. That seems like a very similar situation to me where like they they noticed me noticed them and then they stopped interacting and they they decided to get quiet.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Well, see, this is the crazy thing. When that happened, I I woke up everybody in the house, my girlfriend. Yeah, she said it was three o'clock in the morning. Okay, and usually they say that's the most time when like the witching hour, like when they're most active. Yeah, you know, and I I think that has well, you know, there's has to be something behind that. I don't think somebody just made it up. You know what I mean? Yeah. So there has to be something like Stevenson.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Have you ever experienced that or heard of that? Well, before I answer that question, I did have I did have a question. Uh how how well I mean for this interview, how many days ahead of ahead of time were you aware of it and like it was gonna happen?

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Well uh the like you don't get no aware of it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Well, we had planned this interview like two weeks before we're actually doing this. I think Stevenson when is asking, like, was it kind of maybe in the back of your mind that this was coming? Or I I don't want to speak for you, Stevenson.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

You know, no, that's that's 100% it. Where it's like, because I find like sometimes when I'm thinking about stuff or um I know something is about to happen, I feel like I have very vivid dreams or things that happen that I could kind of like connect to whatever. Um, sometimes, like again, like at night, uh, my wife and I before bed will be talking about something like that happened during work, or you know, that you know, something that's going to happen, and then I dream about it. Um, I'm not saying that's what happened to you or anything, but do you think that might have something to play into the fact that like okay, these things haven't happened for so long, but you know this interview, you're gonna be talking about these things. Do you think that's like some sort of like maybe like I don't want to say portal, but like do you think that's kind of like a gateway for them or whatever it is to kind of like come back since you're thinking about it, it's in your mind?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Well, no, sir. The the whole time I was uh coming to talk about aliens and experiences like that. Okay, yeah and uh well okay, this is one of the things like when I was doing bad and I was on the other side, a lot of times when they would bring in drugs from Mexico, they would take it to like a a witch, like a witch, you know so so she can bless the drugs with dark magic, and whoever ingested it would always come back and stay stuck. You know, and I think I think that's why a lot of people they find it hard to get off of that, like without having some kind of faith in something, because there's a dark power coming, yeah, and and and I I know those other people they know it too. So I think like you know where they when they always say like the the baddest things always happen when you're doing good. Okay, you know, and I think that's what it is. I think it's it's um it's it's just them trying to to reel you in again. There has to be something behind that because they spend a lot of money on like statues and witches and you know, a lot of these people live very good and just for like cutting the chicken's head off, spilling blood, and yeah, saying their little prayers, but I think it has a lot to do like on on how hard you believe in it, you know?

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Almost like the intention sort of thing, right? And I'm sorry I interrupted you, Stevenson.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

No, no, you're good. Um, I was I was gonna kind of say where where I feel like it's part of my French, but it's almost like just throwing shit at a wall, where it's like, you know, you do it enough times, something's gotta stick, right? Like if you if you say like, hey, uh you something bad will happen to you if you do X, Y, and Z and nothing happens, but if the you know the more times you say it and the more people you say it to, and something bad happens, then it's like, okay, yep, that I told you that would happen. Well, yeah, you say it enough times to enough people, yeah, something bad is going to happen. Um, so I also kind of like what you were saying too, where it's like, if I think if you truly believe in it, then okay, yeah, it can it can happen, but I also feel like it's one of those things where it's like I feel like if I have a rabbit's foot or something like that, and I find a ten dollar bill on the ground, well, oh, it's because I have my rabbit's foot with me. Well, no, not necessarily. Like, I'm sure if I didn't have that rabbit's foot, I would have still found the ten dollars. Um I I I it's just one of those things where it's like, you know, I I feel like that could be this sort of situation too that you know people running in, especially with like those those doctors.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Well, really, sir, I don't believe in in good luck or bad luck. I think the way you live your life dictates on how it's gonna work out for you. So if you're doing good, I'm pretty sure things good things are gonna happen for you. And if you're doing bad, well, of course. Yeah, you're living that life, so bad things are gonna happen. And and I understand sometimes, you know, there's cycles out there that somebody just going out to the store or walking their dogs and somebody mows them down. Yeah, you know, right? Um I think that kind of stuff happens, but also I kind of agree with you, like if you keep dwelling on something bad's gonna happen, something bad, boy, you're kind of imbiding that energy. And it's gonna if you're looking for it, it's gonna find you. Exactly. I I I just told my buddy a a saying that I heard one time, I don't know who said it, but uh it was uh don't look for love and don't look for debt because eventually it's gonna find you. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

It's true. Yeah. You you shared that before we we recorded, and I wanted to bring that up, so I'm glad you brought it back up. Um I wanna I wanna cycle back a little bit. I brought you on to talk about aliens a little bit, and uh uh why don't we spend some time there? And um have you had experiences with aliens?

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Oh yeah, man. I I live right by um Kelly Lack Lackland Air Force Base, and that's one of the places that when I was watching this documentary, that's one of the places where the UFO, when it crashed into Broswell, they took it there before they sent it off somewhere else, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:05

Right, Patterson was another place, yes sir.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yes, sir. Well, we were it was like six or seven of us. We were all kids, you know, throwing the football around and playing basketball. Yeah. And uh one of my little buddies goes, Pardon my friend, she goes, What the fuck is that? You know, and then when we all look up, dude, it was like a scene from you ever seen that movie? Uh something of the third kind.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Close encounters.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Close encounters of the third kind. You know how it had the little the little it was like a like a cylinder, almost like a bell, but it had all the little lights around it. Yep. Different colors.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Yeah, and that one in that movie actually had some orbs that were chasing around it too.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Yeah, yeah. Right, right. So it was like six or seven of us. We all saw it.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

But when my buddies would bring it up later on in life, I'm just like, shut the fuck out, dude. Like, why would why would you even say that?

SPEAKER_02 36:07

What what made it that you didn't want to talk about it? Because it was too crazy or because it was too like too intimate, or because it was like, dude, you're gonna get us in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

No, no, I I I saw it, it was more like, hey dude, that's like let's keep that between us. You know, yeah. Because it, I mean, who's gonna believe you? You know, like if you don't have a picture of it, like you were a kid when it happened, they're gonna say, oh no, it was just a 747 flying out the sky. But I live right by a base. Yeah, you know what planes look like. I see jets flying off, doing maneuvers, like they have air shows there, like they got big jets, they got like all kinds of stuff, and that thing was floating in the sky for like 30, 40 seconds, and then when we ran off and ran back, it was gone. And then right after, jets were scrambling like interesting.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

How long did it take for the jets to show up?

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Oh, it was maybe like four or five minutes. Okay, you know, because we all ran towards my house, but I remember the because the jets they're loudest. Yeah, you know, yeah, and especially like when they're flying around the neighborhood, you'll hear 'em. Yeah. And yeah, dude, they were out there.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

Did you feel any kind of connection when you saw that? You sometimes um I've been reading a book by Jacques Vallet. He's the guy who did Project Blue Book, and he went around and interviewed a bunch of people. Uh it started in the 50s, 60s, 70s, but he would go interview experiencers, and he said that sometimes uh there was a almost like a psychic connection to what they were seeing in the street.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

You're talking about the guy that used to call him with his brain, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Uh different guy, actually. Yeah, that's uh Chris Bledsoe, but he has that psychic connection too. I don't know, did you experience like like you're playing football and then everybody's eyes just get pulled up, or did you have an experience?

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Well, we were playing basketball. Oh basketball. Yeah, one of my buddies was like, What the fuck is that? And he pointed it up, and I'm thinking it's a plane until like that thing was f was pretty low, dude. It was like maybe like 200 feet. How big was it? It was huge. Okay. It was huge.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

House size or like like city block size, or it was maybe like man, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

It's hard to say it, yeah. Yeah, because it was big, it was just the lights. That's all I could see, like the the lights that went around the ring. It looked like a freaking movie, dude.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

That's cool. You know what I mean? That's so cool. Um, yeah, I don't I I don't know what I would do if I saw that, especially as a kid. Like, would I tell my parents that I saw that? Did you tell your parents that you saw it?

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Oh yeah, they said I was full of shit. No, and my dad probably would too. No, and also like one time, like I had I had my friends over at my house. Yeah. And there was this like there was a newspaper out in the front yard, but when you looked at it, it looked like a giant fucking frog. Huh. So nobody wanted to go outside, and we're telling our mom, like, walking home. I go, just be careful with that big ass frog. Everybody was freaking out with the big ass frog. At the end, at the end of the day, you know what it was? Huh. Piece of newspaper.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Oh, funny. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 39:39

So, like when you're a kid, you're like, Yeah, shut the hell up. The last time you stirred everybody up, scared the shit out of everybody, and it was just a piece of newspaper, you know?

SPEAKER_02 39:48

You don't want to be the boy that cried alien when it's not, you know. Right. Yeah. Stevenson, have you ever seen anything in the skies like that?

SPEAKER_04 39:57

I wish. I really do. I I'm sad to say no, but I I feel like this is kind of two things. The first is I feel like kind of what you're explaining, especially like as a child, I feel like a lot of people that see like cryptids, like, you know, have this have this kind of like sense of like, I can't tell anybody because everyone gonna is gonna think I'm crazy, whether it be like Bigfoot, uh, Jersey Devil, anything like that, any sort of cryptid, even an alien. Um, you know, it's it's one of these things where it's like it's you don't want to say that you saw something, because then yes, you look like you're the crazy person. So I personally have not. So I feel bad for for people that you know you know say that they've seen something, uh, but you know, it's no one will believe them, or like who who will believe them? So I think it's I'm I'm glad that again, like, and I'm glad that we're we're having this conversation because I feel like podcast kind of gives that you know stage for people who you know think that they've seen something, able to tell their story. Yeah. Um, and this just kind of reminds me of an episode that I had done not too long ago about the uh the New Jersey drones. Um, if everyone or anyone remembers that, that happened, I think, a year and a half to almost two years ago. Two years, yeah. Yeah, and it was it was a really big thing, and it was a lot of things in the sky. And again, like it seemed like you know, the military was sending jets after or like helicopters after these things that were in the sky. Were they actually drones? Were they you know, it's I I did a two-part thing on it because it really was like, okay, hey, this is what's going on, and what is it doing now? Like it's still unknown, like there was never any like solid answer as to like what actually happened.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Um, but they said they were coming out of the ocean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

That yeah, that was a that was a thing too. Um, I've heard that. I've heard where it was like, no, it was coming from like you know military yeah, a mothership, other bases. Like it was there was reports all going around, and again, um it it yeah, it blew up to the point where it was like you know, people had to just or like I don't know if it was the FBI or who exactly I can't remember who was running the whole show, but it was like they were getting hundreds of calls every single day, and they were having to try to decipher like what is fact, what it isn't, because you know, people were you know just reporting jets in the sky. I was like, no, that's a jet. Right. So yeah, it was a it was a tough situation.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

Yeah, don't trust the government when you're looking for facts.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Well, you know, our producer here just told me, um, and I remember this too. It came out the FAA admitted that they were told to lie. Yeah, that it was all in the control. Yeah, this actually was like in the news recently as well that the FAA had to lie about the New Jersey drones.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

That is insane.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Yeah, so yeah, interesting stuff.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

They said they were as big as cars, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:49

Yeah, yeah. Well, and and a fun fact too, if anyone was thinking about like, you know, because I I heard people like, hey, just shoot them down. A little fun fact. If you were to actually like take down a drone, that's a that's a federal law that you cannot do that. So if you think about like, hey, I'm just gonna shoot like my gun at it or like try to take it down, please don't do that. That you're gonna be breaking a federal law, and that's that doesn't look good for you.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

That's gonna happen in New Jersey, and and it didn't happen in Texas because they they would have probably had a bunch of pieces of something. Right. You know, yeah, a bunch of crazy cowboys with guns trying to shoot something down.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Exactly. That's what that trusty shotgun's for. That's what I got mine for. No, um I'm gonna call I'm gonna use a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, let's let's hit a quick quick pause here, Stevenson. So, Chris, your story about a bell-shaped craft reminded me of a video that I have. And I want to share this with you. I sent it to you too, Stevenson. I don't know if you've had a chance to watch it during our brief break there. Yep, I did. Um I'm gonna play it live for you, Chris, so you can see this. Okay. So look right there, that looks like a bell to me. And then it's gone.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

See, that's what it was, but it was crazy low. Like you could see the lights on the bottom and on the top. Yeah. Like it's just like in the movie uh Close Counters. And that's what I'm saying. Like, did you see it or did you not see it? But dude, we're going to be able to do it. Did it zip away like that? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Yeah. That's that's wild. And so that other picture is a a still from that image. And you can see here that's like the lens flare. But there's for our listeners, there's a bell-shaped light that sits above a house on a camera that is a driveway camera. And it's like shining a light directly into the camera so that it's producing a lens flare effect.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Right.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

And then zips off, disappears. I know it's not bugs because you see bugs all the time. Yeah, and in this same video, I'll play it again for you. Look, there's bugs going in front of the camera. This is back behind that, at least over that house, and then it disappears. So very, very strange video that I've and this is a thing.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

This is a thing, people, it's getting harder and harder to lie to us. There's there are so many cameras out there that everybody has a cell phone, everybody makes videos, but they're trying to confuse you at the same time with that AI generated shit, so they could fake you out or or make you look like a cycle or whatever. But I just I'm telling everybody like if you have a video, post it.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Well, and this one, I I know who made it and I trust it, and I don't think that it's AI generated, and it it seems legit to me, but it's a motion detecting camera, and it has motion tracking. So did you see that at the end how it like follows the thing out of the frame?

SPEAKER_00 46:00

And then it just disappears.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

So there it's watching it, and then right about that five-second mark, it zips off to the right, and then the camera tries to follow it, but it can't keep up.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

I I used to have this buddy, he he was uh when we were a little bit younger, and I haven't seen him in years, but all he did all day was take pictures of clouds and say, Do you see that? Do you see that? Look, it's right there. Yeah. I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

But but he saw it in the in the cloud photos himself, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

And then one time I remember I was watching a documentary, and it was like spacecraft, yeah, like inside the clouds where they were kind of like camouflaging themselves.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen the uh trailer for the movie that's coming out disclosure day?

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Maybe this guy wasn't so crazy. You know?

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Stevenson, what do you think about that video I see I shared?

SPEAKER_04 46:58

Uh it's it's really because I had to watch it like two or three times because honestly, like at first, yeah, it would I really wasn't sure what I was looking at at first, but then I was like, okay, the that the bell-shaped thing is the craft, and then I saw the camera pan to the right, but then I watched it again after you said it zips to the right and it tries to keep up with it, and it does it really does look like whatever it is, it really does move really fast to the right. Yeah, um, I don't think that there's it, it doesn't look like a it could be a meteorite because it's it's too stationary like right away. There's no tail or anything like that behind it. Uh if this was a plane or a helicopter or some sort of drone or anything like that, according to the FAA, you have to have the red and green lights, you know, flashing. Yeah, I think there's a couple yeah, I think there's a couple other lights that they have to have on it. So it doesn't it doesn't resemble anything like that. So whatever it is, it's it really is odd. I I can't really explain what I'm looking at or how how it is. So it you said you know the person that this camera feed came from.

SPEAKER_02 48:08

It's a very reputable source that I found this from. And so I tried to debunk it too because I I don't like to get got. Yeah. Um, I know this person, and I know this is like a legit thing. But like again, I don't want to get got, and so I I looked at this and I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, the only way to have that lens flare and to have that light so stable would be like a laser or something pointing from an elevated surface that's like shining down directly into his camera, and that almost seems crazier than UFO to me.

SPEAKER_04 48:44

Well, and I'm and I'm looking at like I'm kind of taking it frame by frame too, to like because Chris, you had said too, like, okay, yes, there's a lot of AI and everything like that. So I'm trying to like look at all the cars to see if the handlebar or like the the handles are all in the correct space, if there are the lights, like logos on the front of them. Yeah, every like all the cars, everything looks to be genuine. It doesn't look like anything is AI here. And again, I don't a lot of AI generated images like I or videos I've noticed always seem to have this same kind of like uh what is it? Not pan, but it's like the same camera angle. It doesn't really like have like an over-the-shoulder shot, it doesn't have it's always from like straight on and everything, and this this really does kind of give a weird angle that I just don't see. I mean, maybe it could be AI, but it really doesn't look like this one is AI. I mean, I've been fooled before, but this looks legit.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Did did you ever see that that um Congress hearing with that guy that was talking about there was aliens? Yeah, like we're in the third dimension, yeah, but they're in the fourth dimension, so like they can like dance around in and out of dimensions whenever they like to. Right. But it's all speculative, you know. I think I I think most of us ain't gonna be true believers until there's a big ass fucking craft that lands in front of the White House and shake the president's hand.

SPEAKER_02 50:14

But even with that, 1952, uh July, July 1952, I can't remember the two weekends, there were uh uh craft that flew over the White House and it made news, and then it ended up being like weather inversions was the answer. Even though all the radars from all of the airports picked up the 1952 White House flap, even if they did land on the White House lawn, people would be like, nah.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

But this this is the thing I'm saying, sir. It's not 1952, everybody has a camera. That's true. So so it'd be it'd be so hard to keep something like that secret. So instead of like trying to debunk your your footage, they're debunking you, making you seem like a crazy, yeah, or or you have mental problems, or you're unstable, or or suicidal, or like yeah, this is okay, okay. Just to bring about that, like about being suicidal, I'm gonna bring up rest in peace, Mr. Wilcock, yeah, just passed away. Yeah, you know, and um a lot of times I I would hear like when you watch movies, they're kind of telling you what they're doing, but kind of in a fictional kind of way. Okay. I don't know if anybody's ever seen the Kingsmen. Yeah. Okay, and they had like these rays that they would shoot on people and make them uh like murderous, or or you know, and I I think there's something to that, man, because it it has to do with too many people that that know too much and and they're all mysteriously like dying, disappearing, or something. Yeah, and and this has to do with okay. You ever seen Goodfellas? I actually haven't. That's on my list. Okay, yeah. So in the movie Goodfellas, this guy pulled a big robbery, right? And as soon as he got everything he wanted done, he started killing off everybody that had something to do with it. So that his secret would be seen. This looks very familiar. They're either cleaning house, either this is what I'm this is what I'm saying. The guys that wanted to play ball, they disappear them, and the ones that didn't want to play ball, they kill themselves. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

So what you're referring to is uh right now in the news, there's 12 now missing scientists that had a lot of science that was related to UAP, to classified nuclear secrets, to that world. Anti-gravity? Anti-gravity with Amy uh Amy Eskridge, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

She disappeared, and she even said to her people, like, if some if something happens, I I never killed myself. Yeah, and then check this out right after all that happened, there was huge earthquakes in Nevada. Right this week there were yeah, so I'm thinking whoever played ball disappeared over there, and the ones that didn't, they killed them, but they're testing out some crazy shit where it's making the whole state of Nevada shake. Okay. You know? I've I've And they might blame it on like, oh, we're drilling wells or we're fracking. Right. That's bullshit. Yeah, they frack all the time here in Texas and it doesn't blow anything. No, the only thing you might get is a little bit of sand in your water, but yeah, that's about it.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Uh Stevenson, have you seen or followed at all? Any of the uh the scientists disappearing or anything like that?

SPEAKER_04 54:01

I've I've seen it and I've wanted to look into it, but I have not. The a couple of the names sound familiar, but I did see something also, too, that the same thing that's happening here in the US apparently is happening in other countries as well. Yeah. So it's not just the US that this is happening. It looks like I think China was one of them where a lot of the scientists are going missing. So is this something it's it's one of those like, okay, like what is going on? Is this something that can be explained away? Um now it correct me if I'm wrong. You uh it looks like you guys know a little bit more about this. Are they actually missing or are they dead?

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Well, well, sir, I think they're cleaning house. Yeah, they're they're like they're they're it's like play okay, it's just like it's okay, everybody always says the United States government is the strongest, biggest cartel in the whole world. And and all the cartels will give you they'll give you the same uh ultimatum. They'll say play or die. Right. Either you want to help or or or you we're gonna get you out of the way. And more than likely, I think that's what's going on. The ones that disappeared are the ones that wanted to play ball or they scared them all. Okay. Somewhere in the facility. And the ones that didn't, they they made them kill themselves. Uh uh, like that movie, um what was it called? Shooter, the one with Mark Bahlberg, where they had this apparatus where they put like a shoulder strap on the guy and they would pull a string with the gun. Yeah, yeah, and it would it would make it so that he shot himself, yes, sir. And that has to come from somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

I so sorry, yeah, Stevenson.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

I was gonna I was gonna say, like, what play ball how? Like what I guess what is the purpose?

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Like you want to keep working for us or you don't but I but I mean like what okay, so if they don't want to like what I guess what would be the disadvantage for to continue to work for whoever they staying alive, like they it that's what I'm saying, like the cartel, they don't care if you want to if you want to work or if you want to stay okay, you want to stay alive, you want your family to stay alive, you want to keep all your benefits.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

But with that, the cartel's making money, yeah. And and so what's the US government getting out of these science?

SPEAKER_00 56:26

You don't think they're making money? Well, maybe so, but what what what's your theory on they're the biggest, hardest cartel of all? They could yeah, they could say a lie and and and give it to the news and they'll spit it out like it's the truth. And more than like 50-60% of all people are gonna believe it. Well, they're gonna say, Oh, he was a crazy, he killed himself.

SPEAKER_02 56:49

Here's something interesting the Venezuelan takeover where we went in and we got Maduro. We, when when the US military went in and got Maduro, uh apparently there was some energy weapon usage there or some sonic weapon use there to where the army, the the Venezuelan army was somehow incapacitated. And so, like, it's not unheard of, like some of these energy weapons that uh you know are being talked about.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

It's kind of like the Havana syndrome, just a little bit stronger. Yeah, you know, like the girl that came up missing, I forgot what her name was. Uh Amy S. Scridge. You could see like when she was typing in the computer, her hands were all burned up. Yeah. And then when she started when she started covering up the windows, you could see like particles from the blinds. Right? Yeah. So so who's to say that shit don't exist? Of course it exists, because they got um like like riot, like preventional riot stuff that they can shoot towards a crowd, and they said it'll make them feel like they're they're burning. Right. And they throw up and they just get out the way. Yeah. So so this is something to do with that, but I think it's a little bit stronger. You know, because a lot of times they make science fiction when it's a science fact, they make it seem like, oh, this shit just happens in the movies, but but yeah. It's real. Like it it Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

I actually looked into this. There was a um Project Bluebeam was the name of it, and they actually had these lasers that would heat the air so that you could have like a speaker system at a distance. And the US military actually put up a video demonstration where they had it set up where this person breaks the boundary of a military base, and then the laser heats up the air and it says, Stop, turn around, or we will open fire, or whatever they have it say. And so through a laser beam way far away, you're able to tell this person over on that ridge to back off, or you're gonna start shooting.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

So you think there's not a laser that tells you to blow your own head off?

SPEAKER_02 59:04

That's that's the creepy thing. Of course there is.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

Well, because if there's if there's if there's a laser that tells you to back off, I'm pretty sure there's a laser to make you self-destruct.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

So that's that's a good question because uh Amy Eskeridge, she put up or her friend put up a bunch of texts that she sent him, and she said that they were talking to her about like like weird creepy phone calls that were rhyming, almost like Dr. Seuss encouraging her to kill herself and like all of this stuff, and she was saying, Whatever happens, I didn't kill myself.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

They they did the same thing to Bob Lazar. That yeah, they threatened him and made him feel like they tried to make him crash and they they cancelled him out of he went to college and so many places they pretty much erased him, but they can't erase hard copies. Yeah, yeah, and and now it's starting to come out since we don't have hard copies no more. If you want to make somebody get erased or seem like a cycle, or they never had their you know the couple screws loose, right? Yeah, so it's it's a whole lot easier.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

So with all that, going back to your question, Stevenson, what do they get out of it? I don't know. Because like right now fear. They get fear, they get power. So there's like control.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

You don't want do you want okay, so it's pretty much just like the cartel 11. They instill fear, so when they come to you, the next person falls right in line. Okay, they're not gonna fight it, they're not gonna be like, oh, this is what no, they're gonna be like, Did you see what happened to them? Yeah, nobody cared, it's all so so it's uh it's it's big on fear. So the next person will fall right in line, they won't ask no questions, and they'll just do exactly what they're told.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:06

So here's here's the thing too. You you brought up Bob Lazar, and like another, you know, person that comes to mind is like Alex Jones, too, where it's one of these things where does not keeping someone alive or does not like you know not making them disappear in any sort of way, and just letting them speak their mind. We brought this up earlier about like seeing aliens and cryptids and everything like that. Sometimes when they say these things, they actually seem more crazy than you know, where it's like, holy cow, like they're saying all these things, there's no way it can be true, you know, until until proven. So it part of me thinks or wants to believe, like, you know, if it would almost be pointless to like, you know, kill somebody or make them disappear because you know it almost benefits whoever to keep them alive when it sounds like they're crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

But this is this is the time where lies and truth blend in together.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

Yes, that's very true. That's very true.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Because who's to say, like, okay, they could read some people and say they're lies, and other people are gonna think no, it's bullshit. But this is like this is what they want. They want everybody to be confused to not know what's truth or what's not. This is a whole whole shit of psyops. Like, they who do you believe? Yeah, do you believe because just like everybody else, most of my news I get it from TikTok or or or YouTube or the the shorts I'm reading while I'm taking the shit, you know? So so like who's to say it's real or not? The only way you're gonna find out well how how are you gonna find out because there's there's articles on proving the fact, and then there's other articles saying it's it's bullshit. Right. And this is this is the age of everybody's confused, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Well, let's do this, let's take the thought experiment. Let's say that Bob Lazar is telling the truth, let's say all of these anti-grav scientists are telling the truth, let's say like they actually have these craft. Well, our entire economy is based off of oil. Our entire economy is based off of sud subjugating other people to get the oil. And then based on who has the most oil, that means you make other people work for you, building all of your plants and building all of your like factories and building all of your like fucking plastic shit. If you take away oil as that foundation of things, and there's actually like energy that can power up uh a device that like flies through the air faster than light, that's so much energy that is available to people that could probably power. I think somebody actually did the math on this for a theoretical warp drive that actually has a gravitational field shift, it's enough power for all of Japan for like three months or something for per second. It's some ridiculous metric. I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

And who wants that?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

The big the big boss.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

Not like we would want that, but the other people they they they don't want nothing to do with it. They'll keep it on on oil, like I don't know if anybody remembers the guy that that made the engine that would run off of uh steam. Yeah. Or uh uh the hydrogen fuel system. The hydrogen fuel system.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

And they they were gonna buy him out. He wanna go have a meeting. The last thing that he said was they poisoned me. Right. Okay, so who's to say that didn't happen before? Like remember the Egyptian light bulb? Right, the Baghdad battery too, is right? Yeah, so so other ways of making power that's not solar, that just like, okay, uh, did you see the guy that makes a a battery out of a piece of lead and some some foil paper, and he puts it in between the straw, uh and then he puts it in in a flashlight, and he turns it on, and that shit turns on, and then the longer it stays on, the brighter the light gets. Oh, interesting, because it heats the the filament or something. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a scientist, I'm I'm I'm a I'm a big dummy, but I saw it like like you're seeing the guy who's yeah, there's there's energy out there that that we can make, but these guys they just want us stay on top.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

Because yeah, I don't know. That's where I get off in the reads, if you will, is thinking about these big conspiracies. Um I want to circle back to aliens with Another question. Oftentimes people will have repeat experiences later in their life, or or have you ever had a repeat experience?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

I'm waiting for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

I'm waiting for it. I are you excited or scared? I've been trying to plan a trip to Big Ben. Well, me and my girl, we want to go to Vegas. Yeah. So on the way to Vegas, I kind of want to stop and see the whole galaxy and shit. The way you show it on the pictures. Yeah. So hopefully it looks like that. But I think this this place is too big that it's just only us. Yeah. I'm sure there's like the um that what happened in Brazil. Yeah. Where where there was a ship that the Varginia crash or whatever? Or the the orb, the babaluga, uh what was it called?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

The Bogata orb or something something.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:54

Who's to say if that's a psyop to like right trick people or or make them think it's full of shit? So this is this is a time where it's like the time of confusion, man. Yeah. You know, you don't know if it's real. It could be AI, it could be real. Like, and then okay, like a few years ago, AI couldn't get it right. When they would show a human being, they'd be like flicking off six or six or five fingers, like you could kind of tell.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:21

Do you remember those Will Smith eating spaghetti videos where it's like the spaghetti becomes part of his face and just kind of like falls off and it's really super super creepy.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

Now that shit is so real and so lifelike, like who's to say, you know? So I think they made I think they pushed that towards us. So so if something real happens, we're gonna be like, oh nah, that's bullshit. You know?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

Psyops. Well, and for our listeners too, uh, Big Bend is a dark sky part of the the US, and so it's like a national dark sky area where you can actually see like the Milky Way.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

It's a national park in Texas.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:01

Yeah, yeah. Um strategies for us as for me and Stevenson if we want to experience more of this. Do you have any strategies for our listeners? Uh if if that's ever something that they want to pursue.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:19

Well, there's there's things I can tell you I want to pursue, like the DMT with the with the lasers. Yeah. But I think everybody has to go on through their own experiences. Yeah. And just keep their minds open because there's stuff out there that none of us can explain. Yeah. You know? There's no there there's no certainties now.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's that's a good way to describe it. Um and I think having everybody continue to seek is a good way to to find. Like if you're not looking for something, well, how would you ever find it unless it's a complete accident? We've hit a lot of stuff. We've gotten off in the reeds with a lot of alien stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:05

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

Uh I want to circle back a little bit to actually uh I wanted to tell you a story. I even as I bring this up, like it feels like that craziness sharing a story with something. But I was at a concert a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

And we're all just hanging out looking at this concert, and we're having a good time, and uh we're all mostly sober, and a friend of mine tries to get all of our attention and uh points up to the sky, and there is a cluster, excuse me, a cluster of lights, and then there are four other lights all the way around it. And this cluster of lights, I look at that and I'm like, what is that? And then the four lights on the outside turn on, and so the cluster was red, white, and green, and I'm like, oh, it's it's a drone for the concert. They're recording the concert, cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:02

But then those that's the same lights for the for the uh aircraft, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

Red, uh green, and white, and so those are there at the very bottom. Then four other lights that are equidistant, like a square all the way around it, turn on, and I'm like, that's a big ass drone. And it was something about the size of like the the New Jersey drones, like something the size of a SUV. Huge, huge, and I'm looking at that and I'm like, This is this is huge, and it's just like maybe 25 feet over the crowd and silent. And I didn't think about that. Like, wouldn't that be something that is super, super loud, right? Over even a concert, you would probably hear that because my brain goes, is that a helicopter? Is that drones? Uh the friend that we were with was like, Oh, maybe that's an osprey, like the super rare, like helicopter jet that only the Marines use as like their their special tack helicopter. Uh because have you seen those? They're the ones that like pivot. Yeah, yeah, they pivot the engines and they're gonna be able to get the phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

I just saw I just saw three of them fly over my house the other day.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

Because yeah, yeah, yeah. There's all kinds of weird shit down here in Texas because of all the Air Force bases here. But I've never the Osprey, I looked up the pictures later, and the light pattern wasn't quite the same, and they light up the propellers themselves. And so I wasn't able to place like what this craft was, but it was definitely something bigger than just like a drone recording a concert.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Well, I think that's a perfect test, wouldn't you think? To fly over a stealth craft over a over a concert.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:51

Yeah, to see who notices it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:53

To see who sees it, see who doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

Yeah. Yeah. Why why would you so here's a question. If it's something that's ours, why would they want a stealth test? And if it's something that is extraterrestrial, alien, spiritual, whatever else, why would they do that? So why would they I guess I'm asking you for each group, what would be their motivations?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

I think it's m something that's probably ours. Okay. Because who's to say the United States government doesn't test on their citizens? Oh, they do, it's documented. Right? Yeah. So who's to say, let's fly this craft over this concert and see who notices it?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:39

And if they notice it and text it, put it on their phone, right? We'll take care of that also. You know? Because now somebody could cut your brakes off a computer and and Yeah. You'll go straight. Like remember that guy that was with the general? Yeah. He he was a I think he was a journalist from the Rolling Stones. And then he he he stayed stuck in Iraq. He reported some fucked up shit about the general to to Obama. And then Obama fired him. And I say about like a week or two later, he went 110 miles straight into a wall.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

Yeah. Yeah. It's some creepy shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

I'm telling you, if they want to get you, they're gonna get you.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:29

And I think that's probably was I think it was probably like a stealth test to be like fly fly it over these guys. Because I'm dude, we're America. We're one of the strongest nations in the whole world. You know? With technology and and then not only that, the fucking crazies out there that that if they see something flying over their house, you don't think they're gonna be shooting at it. I would.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:54

Yeah, if something flew over your house and it was like, okay. Because this is my terrain.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:00

There's guy there's people here in America that are gonna follow orders and say exactly what the news tells them to. Yeah. But there's those all so few that what the fuck is that? Let me put my shotgun to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Well, that's a good way to find out is by shooting it down and taking a look at it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:17

Did you hear about something about getting shot down and over I think it was New Mexico?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

Um, the governor, uh, what's his name? Jesus Christ. He he's a Hispanic guy. Okay. Um, I forgot what's what his name is. He was talking about something getting shot down over Arizona or New Mexico. Let's see. That's him. That's a guy. No, no, no. It's uh it's a Hispanic guy. Okay. But he looks just a bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

Okay. Let's see, so we're looking this up here. Over North American Airspace in 2023, was that it?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:17

I think so, but it's a it's a Hispanic congressman's name.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:21

Okay. We'll have to look that up.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

Uh no, he was talking about something got shot down, they didn't know what it was, but he's sure that the government is gonna Nobody said shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

Huh. And I remember when like those those balloons were flying over us and yeah, the Chinese balloons, right? And it was like taking too long to shoot it down. Yeah. So something was flying over us, but we didn't take long to shoot it down. You know, Trump was probably like, shoot those fuckers down. Yeah. And they shot it down. Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz, okay. That dude. Yeah. And he was talking about it. And he said that, no, we're just like, we'll let you guys know, but I'm telling you, man, there's there's things happening out here that that we don't have no idea about. Yeah. And and the news, everything is so bought out. This is what I told my brother, like, he's always trying to make everybody you're Republican, you're a Democrat, you're this, you're that. No, buddy. It's people against the government. They're all fucking crooks. You think either a Democrat or a Republican is gonna have your best interests at heart for you? No, they're not. So get off that shit. Unite as American citizens together, because the Democrats and Republicans is a facade. It's it's it's fake. It's just another way to keep us ununited and fighting each other over bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:01

I think I think you hit the nail on the head there because like you were talking about the age of confusion. What better way of causing confusion than to have an us versus them mentality all the time about every little thing, whether that is health care, whether that is taxes, whether that is education, whether it's and so if you have two polar opposites and they don't all agree like what human splits their personality into all good, all bad?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

It's because we're a tribal species. Yeah. We're very tribal. We we need a tribe. Right. We need a tribe to feel like we exist, we need a tribe to feel like we're important, we need a tribe, but at the end of the day, it's all bullshit. Yeah. Because we're all in the same spinning circle or flat or however the fuck you want to think it is, but we're all stuck here at the same place. Right. And the thing is, like, these media outlets, all this shit, it's just a psyops to keep us fighting each other, looking for what's messed up with one or the other, and not looking towards the truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:16

Yeah, I I think that's a good way to look at it. Um, I want to jump back to Stevenson a little bit. Uh we've been, I don't know, talking about how it's the people versus the government, the age of confusion. The I I want to ask, as somebody who's been doing the F and Weird podcast for a long time and has talked with a lot of experiencers and has questioned the edges of reality and truth. Do you think that there is an objective truth to some of this stuff, or do you think we'll ever find out?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:51

That's really hard to say. Um gosh, I that is that that that's a really tough question.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:58

Um and obviously just opinion. There's even as I asked the question, I'm like, there's no way for me to answer that because I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:06

Well, the truth is always written by the victors, right? Not the losers.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Yeah. So yeah, sorry to steal your thunder there.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:15

No, no, no, you're you're good. Um, I I would say that I feel like this almost like circles back to like the good versus the evil, and like like what is what are we all doing here, and the universe is so big. I think in a weird way, like is as bad as this may sound, like, I feel like it's whatever you really wanna wanna make this to be, you know what I mean? Where it's like it it very well could be that like okay, yes, there you know, there is an elite group that is you know doing all of these things, and why? I don't know, because they have the money, the time, they don't have anything else really to do, so why not? It could be something as simple as that, or it could be something more like more extravagant where it's like okay, yes, there is a a higher power, or there are alien beings, or there's something where it's like you know, they're telling them or us or whoever to like do all of these things. I I don't know. I would I at the end of the day, I think I I think it's just one of these things where it's like I and I think I've said this before on my podcast where it's like just just try to be a decent person and just try to be happy and like this this the world that almost like what you were saying too, this this flat world or this round world, however you want to look at it. Um just try to you know be happy and be like do the best you can because that's really at the end of the day, all you really can do. It I feel like it it's a weird, really weird line, and I I almost took a couple of like months away from conspiracies because it almost can be unhealthy to try to like go so deep into this and like you see all the corruption and then you almost get obsessed with it, and then it just kind of takes over your life, and then it's just like holy cow, I'm I'm I'm almost obsessing about this, and I'm not happy, and everything like that. So, uh like if you look at the the podcast that I have, it's you'll see like there's a long stint of like no conspiracies, no nothing, just because it it can get kind of uh it's dirty in a in a weird way, where it's like you know, it this it is fun talking about it in a in a sense, but it can also be kind of unhealthy, and you I think you need to look at it where it's like you need to understand that there are other things going on behind the curtain, but try not to obsess about it, just try to make the best of your situation that you're in. Also try to find out, you know, more information and things that you could probably do to you know try to help the situation, but I don't know, it's it's it's really hard to tell. This this could all be for nothing, or this could be for something more extravagant. I mean, you we talked a little bit about it where it's like all these scientists are disappearing. Well, why is there something about to happen? Is there is like are are is there is you know the elites or the whoever like preparing for something. It's it's kind of a weird thing to think about, or is it simply that almost like what you were saying, Chris, where it's like they're just not playing ball and they're telling our secrets to everybody and we don't like that? It could be either side of the aisle. It's a tough question, but yeah, I think at the end, I think at the end of the day, just you know, be be cognizant, you know, be aware of these things that are going on, but try not to uh not try to obsess about it in an in an unhealthy manner. So I don't know if that really answers your question, but I think I feel like that's the best answer I can give.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

No, honestly, I think that's a great place to almost put a bookend on this conversation. Okay, I think that's a great way to summarize kind of how I want to explore things with Off in the Reads. I think that it's important to take a look at what's there and be curious about what's there. Definitely, but at the same time, like at the end of the day, if every story comes back to a wealthy person doing terrible things, that's gonna be every single story.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:16

Yes, yeah, surprise.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:18

Yeah, so I like what you're saying, and I think Chris, you've said this too. We're we're a tribe. Let's expand our tribe, let's be tribal and love each other in the best of ways, and try to build each other up instead of tearing each other down.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:32

Yeah, be kind to everybody, don't bring everybody into your shitty day. If you're having a shitty day, just be kind. I'm sure you'll meet somebody that's just as kind.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:42

Maybe just as weird, like maybe I'll meet an alien. I hope so. Hey, I I love this conversation. Thank you so much for joining us, Chris. Thank you for taking the time out of your night. Stevenson, thank you so much for popping on with us and for joining us. This was truly a treat.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:00

Yeah, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:01

Thanks for having me. Thank you, Stevenson. Nice meeting you, brother. Yeah, nice meeting you as well. Is there anything that you want to plug? Obviously, we've talked a little bit about that's F Weird, but any projects or anything that you want to talk about with that?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:12

I mean, just the name of the podcast, honestly. That's F Weird. It's a podcast pretty much kind of like I wouldn't say exactly like this. I mean, I think it follows we have a lot of the same topics in the same realm. So uh if you want to catch more of that, obviously, yeah, just just check out the just type that into the the internets, you'll find me. It's it's out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:31

Thank you so much. And Chris, we're definitely gonna have some more paranormal talks here in the future, okay, brother? Yes, sir. Cool. Cold spurs go. Thank you so much for joining us. For that's I almost said that's F and weird. 50% that's F and weird. Thank you for going off in the reeds with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:50

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:44

It is real, it is real, it is real. It is real.