Off in the Reeds: Episode 3- "I met God." With Dan Riley

Welcome back to Off in the Reeds Podcast. In this episode, we're joined by Dan Riley, who shares a remarkable personal journey into meditation and spiritual exploration. Dan recounts his experience of encountering what he describes as God through a dedicated meditation practice and explains how meditation can serve as a powerful tool for self-discovery, healing, and connecting with something greater than ourselves.

We discuss the practical benefits of meditation, how beginners can get started, and the techniques that helped shape Dan's path. Along the way, we explore the possibility of encountering the divine through altered states of consciousness and what these experiences can teach us about the nature of reality.

The conversation also ventures into the mysteries that lie beyond our everyday understanding, including nonhuman intelligences, UFO phenomena, and a fascinating firsthand UFO encounter that Dan shares with us.

Whether you're a seasoned meditator, spiritually curious, or simply interested in unexplained phenomena, this is a thought-provoking discussion you won't want to miss. Thanks for listening, and welcome to Off in the Reeds.

If you are an experiencer or seeker wishing to share your story, or if you'd like to come on the show and get "Off in the Reeds," please email us at Podcast@MostMillennial.Media 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:03

Dan, how much do you think it costs to uh meditate?

SPEAKER_03 0:12

Just your time.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

It's almost as if that the division of religion and culture creates the need for governance.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Right? So you are the experiencer of all those things. The thoughts, the your body. You that's the real you is the experiencer. You're not this.

unknown 0:50

I know that the paranormal is real. Listen.

SPEAKER_04 0:58

Hello and welcome back to Off in the Reeds. My name is Reed. I'll be your host, and I've got our co-host Quinn today. How are you, Quinn?

SPEAKER_02 1:05

I'm doing well. How are you, Reed?

SPEAKER_04 1:06

I'm doing great. We have a very, very special guest today, Dan. Um he has had a very profound uh meditation experience. Dan, do you do you mind introducing yourself a little bit and uh maybe telling us a little bit about some of the experiences that you've had?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah, sure, that'd be awesome. Um I um I'm a graphic designer, and I've been a graphic designer uh most of my life, and I I just happen to run into meditation, and it's really changed my life. And so like I don't really have um like any special qualifications, you know. I'm not a monk, uh, I'm not like some really special guy, but you know, I it it just it happened.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

That's amazing. Um, and I think what you're referring to, you sent me a YouTube video, and I heard about you on the uh That's F and Weird podcast from Stevenson. Um you sent me a YouTube video that's titled I Met God in Person. And it makes sense now. I I was wondering like if you did the art for that video yourself, did you?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Yeah, yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Yeah, it's it's got some pretty incredible illustration in there. That I I mean I can only imagine that concepts like that required both like the the graphical knowledge, but also you've got the other component which is the visual inspiration. So very exciting.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Yeah. Well, uh it's weird. Like I'm I say this to a lot of people because uh I like to get this out of the way is that you know I I wasn't hallucinating, I wasn't dreaming, I wasn't having like a vision, I I didn't like um like imagine it, you know what I mean? Like I had okay, so what what a lot of people refer to as like an out-of-body experience or like a near-death experience, like I feel like I had kind of like that, like an out-of-body experience where like I'm I just totally like stepped out of my body, like completely. I actually didn't do it. Like I I was um I've been meditating for about like five years, and I've it it came on like like more and more and more and more, like it just it just built up like like a snowball going down the hill, you know, like it turned into a monster. Like it just I couldn't stop it. And as it as it happened, like I I was I had been meditating for a long time, and then one day I was sitting on my couch, and um I had a long night of meditation, and like a lot of stuff happened before this, but I'm trying to I'm trying to be real brief about it because it's it's all in my video and stuff. But I was sitting there on the couch, and then bam, I I was gone. Like I hadn't I had been watching um um spiritual videos and I'd been meditating, really just immersed in God all night long. And like I was sitting there thinking about something Swami had said, and then I heard in my head, sit up, sit still like a stone, and let your mind be the same. And like I I don't know why. I just I immediately did it, like it was like a command, like I just followed it, like and I sat up and I kind of like crossed my legs, and and then as soon as I did, I was gone. I just disappeared out of this universe. Like I was I was somewhere else. And and it took a second to get my my recollection to to understand where I was because it was so different from where I was sitting one second before, you know. It was like I was outside. I was I was in a beautiful mountain like range, and it was like a stream in front of me, and then all these rolling hills, and and like I hadn't even noticed God yet. Like I was just it was too much, you know, and and then all of a sudden, like I started to notice like this block, this massive, like gigantic block. I could I couldn't tell what it was made out of. I've never seen anything like it before. I kind of drew it like marble in my drawing, but that was the best thing that my brain could understand after coming back and trying to put it together because I didn't really know what I was seeing. And it wasn't something of this universe that I saw. Like I the that was the best I could do to describe it. And then I saw, and then I saw her feet. Her feet were like olive green, like pale, like like skin color, but olive green, and like her feet were in the grass, and she was humongous. She was so huge, and I know it was a female because she had really, really pretty feet. Like it was almost like you know, it was like it was a girl's feet. Like you know, a guy's feet, and you know a girl's feet. If you look at them, you can tell the difference. And it was something definitely. I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Yeah, Dan, reeling it back a little bit, I I think I want to understand, you know, because clearly that's that's an incredible experience, first of all. But if we we look back a little bit, you know, for for the listener and and for myself, what when you go into meditation prior to this event, right? And and as you entered meditation five years ago, was was this something for you where you were actively seeking the presence of you know higher existence? Or was this something that you did? Because you know, a lot of people nowadays are are meditating in a I guess I purely call it secular sense where they're using it to center themselves and to you know better align their feelings. Mindfulness, yeah, mindfulness and repeating this more and more. But what what was your approach and and what's the the purpose of your meditation on mass?

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Yeah, you know, that's a great question. It really is. A lot of people you're you're talking about something that people really struggle with a lot. And I hear this a lot, I see this a lot, and you know, I think about this a lot because it's really important. And the when I first started, I didn't really uh know what to do. Like I have I have really done a lot of research, I've really done a lot of um figuring out what works best for me. I I've done a lot of uh soul searching. Like when I first started, okay, this is the really important thing that really got me going was I read autobiography of yogi. And when I read that, like it opened me up to understanding like all of the stuff that's possible through yoga. And and like there's some really amazing things that the human can do. Like if you think of like um like Jesus or you know, uh other great yogis that can levitate or you know, heal people, or you know, that that's all just powers through yoga. And like when I saw that, when I when I was exposed to it through that book, like um Yogananda talks about a lot of that stuff for a brief chapter, but um he he really opened my eyes to what yoga could do, and like I really I wasn't interested in having any kind of yogic powers. I never have been. That's that's actually been the opposite of what I wanted. And I know a lot of people do meditation to you know, mindfulness for peace, to, you know, to for that purpose, you know, and and in a secular world, I I say, you know, that is a mistake. And and the reason why I say it's a mistake is because meditation and you know these practices were invented to find God. That's what they're there for. So it's not a it's not a mistake that you're gonna suffer from, it's a mistake that you're gonna grow from. Because if you're doing that, if you're meditating, you're gonna you're gonna put yourself in a position where uh be realizing God becomes closer because you're doing the work.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Right. You're doing the work. But it's like even if you don't have the directions, you're still gonna build the Ikea IKEA furniture. Like those are the pieces that you have and you're building something, it's gonna come together at some point.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Right, right. And I don't think a lot of people realize that you know, doing doing meditation, they're they're actually getting themselves closer to God by clearing out their own, you know, it's kind of like in the beginning, it's shadow work. Meditation is shadow work because you're you're dealing with the stuff that you've done in your life, the stuff that's been done to you, this you know how how life is. And from the very beginning, uh I've chanted. When I say meditation, I I'm always talking about chanting. And when I first started, I was chanting Om Namashiva, and that one it's it's great, like it's a really great chant. And okay, so so the reason I specifically do these two, I do om now. I've I've done ohm for a long time now. But when I first started, I I started on Om Namashiva because it was recommended to me. And um what what these two do is they cause you to vibrate. So if you do it over and over and over and over, like okay, so let I I I recommend an hour of chanting a day. Every day. Do it for an hour. Um, I I I put Ohm on my on my video. You could follow the link and and see which one I use, or om Namashibaya as well. It's um it's another one. I I put it on there. So when you when you use it, it causes your body to vibrate and it activates your vagus nerve. And through that activation, constantly, what's happening is you're you're creating a space within yourself where later the teachings can fit in. Like it's it's removing stuff from you, and it's it's causing you to have alignment.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

Okay, so this is how I'm imagining it, and correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds almost like you're you're training yourself to be a tuning fork, or you're like tuning into a frequency while you're doing this as the same time as you're creating frequency.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Is that it does it to you, it does it to you, like it's not something that you have to really think about. It just it just opens you up and it does it to you, and then over time, okay, so two parts. Okay, first part is is when you when you do it uh uh uh in an hour period, after let's say 15-20 minutes, you'll have a a blankness come over your consciousness. You won't be thinking about anything, you won't be recognizing your body, you you'll just be chanting om and you won't even recognize that you're chanting um. And then all of a sudden, you'll go, oh, whoa, I was in that space, and that space is consciousness. Okay, now the whole point of this, in my opinion, is to realize two things. The first thing is cosmic consciousness. So, what that means to me is that you are this this consciousness that you're hearing me with right now, and the consciousness that I'm I'm speaking to you with right now, are the exact same consciousness. It's not it's not two different consciousness, uh, or three or five, because you've got four people in your room right now. We're all communicating and listening and understanding on that one same consciousness. And through through the meditation and through the teachings, it becomes clear. So that's that's step one. And then step two happens naturally after, is is because you realize that everything is on that same same consciousness, is that you realize God is on that same consciousness as well. And you have you you just you naturally grow to God consciousness after that. And what that means is is that you start to see and feel and realize and understand that God is in everything. Like she really is. She's she's in every molecule, she's in every heartbeat, she's in every thought, she's whatever you're thinking right now about what I'm saying right now, she's listening to you. Whatever I'm thinking about saying next, she knows what I'm gonna say next. She just she knows. And like through this process, you gain that. It's not uh, okay, so like when when you tell someone um how to ride a bike, right? You say, okay, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta do this. And then it means nothing to them until they actually do it, right? They get on the bike and they ride it, right? And then and then they have an experience. So so through this process of chanting ohm and listening to Swami, you will eventually have an experience of being consciousness, of not not that you are conscious, that everything is part of this one consciousness. And it it's like it becomes a reality. It's like it just hits you like a bomb and it lasts for days. It's like something happens to you. It's not like it's not it's not like when you read about how to ride a bike, it's like when you get on the bike and ride it. It's like it an experience. And then after that, and you start like it because it's such a clear experience, and you start to to realize that God is there, and you're having like this, you know, experience of of God too, because she's in there and she's hearing you can see it now, like you can you can fathom it. And and then, okay, here's here's the really important part. The the world, the universe is always facing you. It's constantly facing you. Everything is is wants you to do something, it wants you to, you know, to get on your phone, to to watch something on Netflix, to go out and have dinner, to to buy a car, to buy the new phone, to to do something. It's constantly facing you. The universe is constantly facing you. So to find God, you have to turn away from that. You have to turn away from the universe for a little while. And she sees you do that. Because she sees everything, she she sees you turn away from the world. And when you do, she recognizes that. Like it takes a lot. It takes a lot.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

Like you gotta, you gotta, you know, especially with clear out personal marketing and like your algorithm and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Um yeah, there's a lot to there's a lot in this world to uh let go of at the moment to be able to hear her.

SPEAKER_04 17:03

I wanted to ask, you you said something very interesting to me about uh everything being consciousness, and uh I've been doing a little bit of reading lately, and uh reading through Gnostic texts and reading through um Bhagavad Gita and reading through uh all sorts of weird stuff, the epic of Gilgamesh. And it seems that a thread that if you go back far enough, it seems that there's a very much ever-present mind before matter sort of experience um like looking at the Bible that uh in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Um is that kind of what you're saying when everything's consciousness is that everything is sort of this this universal mind of God, or how would you d describe that when you when you say that everything is consciousness?

SPEAKER_01 17:59

I I love that question, and it's really easy to answer. It's crazy because it it it makes so much sense. Watch. Okay, so the ocean, right? The ocean, that's God. Each each individual wave in that ocean, that's people and animals and universes. Because we're not in one universe, we're in a multiverse. There's many, many, many universes. So so each one of those waves in that ocean of God is the it's it's us, right? Those waves. But consciousness is water.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Okay, it's like the medium you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

There you can't have an ocean without water. You can't have a wave without water. Right. So so everything that ever existed exists in consciousness. Not the other way around.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

I think I get what you're saying. Maybe like the I don't know, the material, the matter, it's not the right word, but the material of everything is consciousness. Before creatures are gonna before the universe?

SPEAKER_01 19:19

There's consciousness. Before that. Like there's okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

I think I think I get what Dan's saying in that like saying that like before the universe is there is consciousness is like amongst any like religious text you read or or any um, you know, I guess foundation of religious truth, there's the the belief that you know our our existence and our creation, the consciousness of its creator existed prior to the existence of time, space, matter, and the universe. So like I I think again, you're you're what you're putting really aptly is that you know the absence of conscious consciousness doesn't allow for the existence of a universe in that that context because what would it have you know the power and the the will to create what surrounds us and control what surrounds us and uh manipulate it. So I I think that that makes a lot of sense. I I think one thing I want to just kind of hearken back to is you're you're talking about you know how you you get to a mindset and and clear your mind, and I think we touched on it briefly, but we live in a a world society economy um where where we're the product, right? And so because of that, everything, like you said, the universe faces us, I think is a really interesting way to put that ultimately now that we're the product as a consumer and as a just an individual, it it's coming becoming increasingly difficult to do exactly what you're talking about, which is clearing out the the box, right? And I I guess what I'm I'm hearing from you that I think is really fascinating is it it almost sounds like um the the resonant frequency of a room and you've just got a bunch of your friends in there, and if you start making the right sound, like the room like everybody gets annoyed and leaves. And so it like to me, you know, I I I think I find it really fascinating that you know in your your context here, you know, meditation is for you clearing out the room not so much that you're like communicating, you're making an open space so that you can be communicated too, right? Um but I I think inside of that there's a question to me is that do you feel that within meditation and within what you've been doing, that it's something where you can meditate on something, or that you're purely a receiver and you need to clear out the room entirely and and you allow God to communicate to you what it is they feel prudent?

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Oh, that's a really good question. I think that um at first what what you need to do is you need to let the thoughts happen. So there's going to be like this is a you know this is years of practice uh every day. So when you first start, I would say start small. Start with like 15 minutes a day of chanting and 15 minutes a day of swami. But okay, so when I say swami, I say swami sarvapriananda of the New York Vedanta Society. He talks about Vedanta. I'm not talking about um Hinduism, I'm not talking about um any religion. I'm talking about consciousness studies. And and if you listen to what he's saying, he's not talking, he does talk about God here and there, but he doesn't really talk, it's not about God, it's about you, it's about what you are, it's about consciousness itself. That's you, that's that's everyone. And it that's like okay, so by listening to that and by by meditating, start small, okay, right? And then as you as you get up further, um you what's gonna happen in your meditation is you're going to you're going to go through all the stuff that's in your head during the day. You're gonna, you know, um have thoughts. That's okay. Thoughts are okay. So what you want to do is you want to let those thoughts pass. And you want to uh what a lot of people do, what I did in the beginning, is just like so. If I'm if I'm chanting Om Namashiva, then I will say that in my head. I will say those words in my head. So my brain will be focusing on me saying it in my head, and my mouth will be saying it too at the same time. So that will it that blocks out thoughts. If you want, if you really want this to work good for you, and you want your what what you're trying to do is you're trying to shut down all the thoughts, shut down all the realization of your body, and recognize that you're in that state of consciousness that is there's nothing there but consciousness. It's just being conscious. It's like it's hard to explain. So it's happening.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

And as it pertains to, like I said, like clearing out the room, right? It it almost sounds to me, and feel free to jump in here, but that your really the the first step to uh kind of getting to the the place or the the space that you were in is first kind of sorting yourself out so that you can have the empty room and you allow the the thoughts to exist until basically they you you work through them and they don't. Is that is that a fair assertion?

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Yeah, yeah. And then okay, so you do that every day. You do that every day, and then you okay. Swami says this is this is a really good analogy of what's happening. It's like dyeing a cloth, okay? The old traditional way of dying a cloth is you you dip it in the turmeric water, and then you hang it out in the sun to dry, and then it it hangs, it's light when it first gets dyed. And then you do that repeatedly, and you you dip it and you hang it out to dry, and then and the more it happens, it's called color fasting. And eventually the color, the sun will not dye or will will not bleach out the color anymore out of your the dying process. It takes time. So, what you're doing is is you're dipping into that consciousness and you're dying your soul with that clarity of consciousness. Like you're and then through time and hearing Swami talk about consciousness, uh, like you it will just make sense because you've done the work, you've you've dipped yourself into that reality enough times where one day what he's saying will click and you'll have an experience. You'll go, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

I understand. I want to jump back to that experience because that sounds it's how you were describing it sounds very like overwhelming and confusing. Were you scared at all? Or was it something where you were just like expecting yeah, describe that, I guess, more.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

It's like it was like opening up into the most vast infinity, like with your eyes open and and not being scared or terrified, just knowing, just knowing that's it's you. Like it's so hard to put into words. Like that's why I think that's why um for you know these thousands of years, the these people that try to explain it, including myself, have such a hard time explaining what it's like to experience that moment. And because it doesn't just, it's not just like a second uh uh of an experience, like it's like I said, it's like days. Like it just it and it's it's re experienceable right now for me, just thinking about it. Like I can I can re-experience it in this moment as I explain it to you, just because of how powerful of a moment it was. It's like it's hard to explain, like in words.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

Totally. It's that noesis, it's that knowing, it's that experiential learning, and like the mystery schools and the swamis, and the it's it's kind of that unknowable knowing. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Well, okay, here it is. Here it is. I I saw this recently. So the best way to explain this, and Vedanta talks about this, is that you are not this. Okay, so think about this. Touch the table in front of you, this table, right? This table. You are not this, right? You're not this table. So that applies to your body. You are not this body, you're not. You because you are not this, you cannot be something called this. You're not, you're you're the experiencer, okay? So then you even get to your thoughts. Think think A plus B equals C, right? In your head. Okay, so you had that thought, A plus B equals C. So that was a thought. That this you could label that this. So this thought, so that's not you. That thought is not you, right? So you are the experiencer of all those things. The thoughts, the your body. You that's the real you is the experiencer. You're not this, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:39

So I think w one thing that fascinated both me and and and read um with your story, and is something that you know I think for a millennia or or or ten people have questioned, right? But I I think in your specific uh experience um and in your pursuit um of this engagement, right? What what who do you call your god? Right? Like when you when you see you think of their face or you you you reference it as a a female, right? Can can you give us some um texture to who God is to you?

SPEAKER_01 29:23

That's beautiful. Because for me, alright, I grew up Christian. I grew I I not by choice. I was put into Does anybody I yeah, right? I was put into Christian school as a kid. So I I learned the Bible, I learned about you know God and Jesus through that avenue, and then later on in life I learned more about you know religions and Hinduism and Buddhism. And you know, I I I've spent time. I I've read the Bhagavad Gita. Everybody, you know, if you've read it, you're you're not done with it. You're so you're always studying the Gita.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

If you continue, I mean, in this, but so I think that and and I mean that question both like in terms of of who it is or or or the the the personification of what you've seen. Um but also like is I I think what you're kind of veering towards is is the nature of the person. But I think just starting as a baseline, I I would I think Rita, I would love to hear like who you saw, what they they looked or appeared to you as, and and then maybe we can break down the nature of that that being and you know, I for instance, we can start, you know, maybe break down for us the you you ascribe the the or assigned the gender of a female to God. Can you maybe elaborate on through your experiences how it is you came to that realization?

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah. So I I didn't have I didn't have any um idea of what God was. I I hadn't like so everybody thinks of God as like you know the the big bearded gray-haired guy in in heaven who judges everybody, right? I I didn't think of God like that at all. I I never thought of a specific version of God. I always just felt like she was just this this force, this controlling force over the universe, right? And then this experience happened to me where like I I was sitting on the couch and I was transported out of this universe, and uh so when I saw her, she was she was green. I I could only see from below her knees. I couldn't see anything else. Hang on one second, my my dogs might freak out.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

No problem.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Okay, so um I I when I saw her, I I didn't have any preconceived notion of what what I was like seeing. Like I didn't I I never imagined that I was going to see her. I I wasn't planning on this happening. Uh I didn't ask for this to happen. That that's the that's the key thing here is that I I I never planned on this. I I was never asking, you know? And then when I was there, so she I saw she was sitting on this this giant stone, and it was perfectly, perfectly square. Like, and it was way bigger than the mountains. Way, way bigger. It was so humongous, I couldn't even see the top of that. I could see the sides of it, and I could see her feet. And she had like, like I was saying, she was like a really beautiful, like olive green color, and she had she had bracelets on her ankles, and they're they were like like half of a sunflower. They were they were made out of gold, and then uh hanging from the front of her foot was like a like a teardrop-shaped blue sapphire. And that was another thing that kind of gave away that was that she was female, was that how she had anklets on, and it was really beautiful, and like the bottoms of her feet and her toenails were like kind of pink, and and like as I noticed her, and uh and I was like, wow, that like what am I seeing? Like she had like these little little flowers at her feet, like it was it was so amazing. And then as I as I realized, like, what am I seeing? She sh she shifted her feet, like she moved. It was like it was like she was sitting up there, and then like she moved to look down at me, at my at my soul, because like I I was just so in awe. I didn't have a body. I didn't I I was like I was my soul, I was like a glowing ball of light that I couldn't see. I just I know I didn't have a body, but I could I could see her, and I I was like having feelings of of tremendous bliss, like I was being hit by the most bliss I'd ever encountered. And then it was it was so incredible. And then she said in my head, feel my bliss, like she should like feel my bliss, like feel this, you know, like and and I started like being pulled towards her. I couldn't stop it. And then the closer I got, the more stronger, stronger it felt. Like it felt like I was going to explode from the bliss, like I had never felt anything like that before. And I got closer and closer and I couldn't take it anymore, and then boom, I was back in my body, like just like that.

SPEAKER_04 34:47

You described it as painful in your video. Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

I I want to say painful, I I want to say painful, but but there's no other word unbearable, yeah. Yeah, it was unbearable, it was way too much, like it was so intense, so incredible. I could I mean and then boom, I was back in my body, and you know, I I was so stumped and just like you know, what just happened to me? Like, how how did that how did that happen?

SPEAKER_02 35:23

So, so I guess like centering on the the question, like is that God? Does she have like a name you would ascribe to her other than God, right? Is is there something that you know if if you were to to call out to her that you would cry other than God?

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Um I I've heard I'm I can't guarantee this or verify this, but that the archangels call her ah. Like that's her name, and I I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was because chanting om, like it's ah, ooh, and mm is the full is is om complete, and it wouldn't surprise me if she's built into that somehow. Like, I I really feel like the four yogas are are from somewhere else. I feel like they're from a higher dimension or something like that, because they're they're our direct path to God. I truly believe that.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

I think that's a good segue to a question that I had. Like, it seems almost like this is maybe spiritual technology. Um is that how you would describe it? Or you what what do you think about that phrase?

SPEAKER_01 36:46

100%, yes. Technology, it's not a religion, it's not it's technology. You do the work. It's like okay, like you go to like UTI to learn how to be an auto mechanic. You do the work after a while, you know how to be an auto mechanic, right? So you do the work with yoga, you um you do the chanting, and then you listen to the teachings, and that that creates the space for you to have the understanding of consciousness, and then that allows you to realize that God is listening to everything through that, and you know, opens up God consciousness in you, and then boom, you have the experience. It's like you just I think I think this what it what's happened to me is available for everyone that tries. I think I just I was never going to give up. That was the thing that I just I don't know what I was I was never gonna give up from, but I wasn't gonna quit. Like I was gonna continue meditating. I was like, I really wanted to understand what Swami was saying about consciousness, like I wanted to have the experience for myself, so I I never stopped. And then when I did, I changed my method after after I had that realization of like whoa, I get it, right? Then I switched from Vedanta to bhakti. And bhakti is like um it's about loving God, it's it's the the science, the practice of the technology of loving God. And through that new knowledge, that's what opened me up even more. Like I just it just blasted me off so to her feet.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

I think it's it's um uh appropriate to to look at you know, maybe your perception and of the really kind of asking the question of you know, one, do you do you believe that that individual or that that entity that you experienced, right, is that who created us in your mind? And then with that, what what makes it such that they're deserving of our um I guess adoration or of of our allegiance, right? Um and you know, I I have a follow-up question to that, but I would love to hear your perspective on kind of the the nature of this god and and of your perception of kind of their their character as it pertains to why it is you you deem them worthy of your your adoration.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

What uh what I what I saw what I I do believe was the generator, operator, and destroyer of all universes, God. I I believe it was her. I I really do, and I and the reason I believe that is because I think she's the only one that can listen to everybody's thoughts. I really believe that. I think she's the only one that can consistently just listen to your heart. So she knew my heart. She she knew how much I loved her and how much I care about. Just I I don't know what took me over so deeply. And it's it's what you're talking about. Like like what why does she deserve our love, right? Why? Okay, so think think about this. She's before us, like, imagine all think about all the stuff that she's already taken care of, like uh the universe that she's already built, all the life, all the creatures that are, you know, like I I talk about this with my wife sometimes that you know um a uh a dog will never understand the complexities of how an engine works, right? They can only understand like get food, procreate. So so animals are governed by this this other system, and they they don't like work on the same thoughts and processes we do. So like their their governance has been created for them, kind of like in a way, and it's it people want to say evolution, but what's backing that evolution? You know, what what's guiding that? I there's there's definitely a hand guiding things, and when when you step back and look at it, and like that she she's really doing so much more than you could possibly even imagine. As a loving mother, she'll like she when you forget to breathe, she's breathing for you. It's not your body beating your heart, it's her.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

It's so it's uh I haven't she's everything. I I think you've given a really uh precise description of the the nature and her um existence within ourselves, our surroundings, and and everything, right? I think the biggest question that every person you've ever met has asked, um, either atheist, agnostic, believing, non-believing, right? Whatever you know, religion or or belief system they assign themselves to, the the question people ask throughout time is why do why does God allow good things to happen to bad people? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

I have a question about that once you once we talk together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Yeah. No, that's a that's a great question. And and I don't think um first off, God isn't really, if you think about it, allowing anything. We're doing it to each other. I mean, that's the first thing. Like like a a baby doesn't get eaten by the crazy pedophiles without the crazy pedophiles.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

That was okay. I was gonna bring up Epstein, but please continue and then we'll circle back.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

It doesn't it doesn't happen without people. Yeah, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

So I think that's free free choice or free will that you're kind of discussing there a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Right, and that's I think a pretty common like um counter argument to the claim that you know if God is so good and so loving and all powerful, right? If he's omniscient, omnipresent and um benevolent, like wh why would he allow these things? But I think or she and as you would approach it, you say that basically God doesn't allow these things. She's not or she she doesn't allow these things because we're we're the ones perpetrating them, we're the ones that are to blame for our own you know inability to to seek love in all action, right? And and to serve ourselves. So it it's really not her allowing things, it's our inability to uh allow her in, is is basically your assertion.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Yeah, yeah. And when you know we change our attitudes, I think it'll become more apparent.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Yeah, that's kind of like an alignment thing that you're discussing. Um as far Like, are you aligning with the frequency of God or are you aligning with the frequency of your own free will and evil choices? Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Yeah, I I don't think I really don't even think any choice is either good or evil. I really don't. I think that I think people just make you know good and bad choices. And and here's the thing about okay, this is really cool and really important, right? So like for myself, I was I I broke my back when I was 18. I was bit by a rattlesnake and almost died. Like it was real close. And I I lost all my family, like uh my my mom, my dad, all my blood relatives through all of that side of my family. All that's left is my wife and kids. And I've like I've lost a lot, and all of that has been the heat and the pressure that have been creating the diamond inside of me. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, so all this crap that all these people are going through are create are forging them into diamonds, you know. It's like you're you're not gonna you're not gonna turn into something magnificent just without struggle. You're not.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Yeah, and I I think you know it's a irreverent reference, but you know, Katy Perry said it best, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? And so, you know, ultimately, kind of what you're you're asserting is that bad things have to happen for good people to be produced in a certain sense, or or there's a necessary existence of um, I guess, our own flaws and and humanity's inability to to act in love and all things, and that is necessary to forge the diamond to create a person who seeks a higher consciousness and seeks alignment um both, you know, internally and and in their consciousness. So I I think that's a really you know interesting way to look at it is that you know, i if we if we examine for a second that God does consciously allow for bad things to happen in a certain sense, perhaps they are for the benefit of humanity and for informing our ability to seek the presence of her or or to inform our ability to seek higher consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Yeah, the struggle is part of the plan.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

Yeah, I think maybe what you're kind of alluding to is is going back to the technology thing because like this is a spiritual tech. Um I want to circle back to Epstein and compare those two things. Because uh he actually like within the Epstein files that were actually released, he was emailing directly with Deepak Chopra, and he was uh emailing leading up to a consciousness um seminar isn't the the right word, but like a conference on consciousness that Deepak Chopra was attending and speaking at, trying to understand how consciousness works. How is this tech used in nefarious hands? If like can it be used nefariously, or what are your opinions on that?

SPEAKER_02 47:17

I love that question. That's kind of where my mind is going.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah, I don't think so. I I think what would happen if someone tried to use it nefariously is they'd do the work and then they'd have a realization for themselves that they're have they've gone the complete wrong direction and actually help themselves instead of hurt themselves.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

Like, ah, Dratz, I'm imagining like a 90s cartoon henchman just like, oh shit, I spoiled again.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yeah. I mean, I think it's interesting because you're in order to like uh for lack of a better term, harness that level of consciousness creates the awareness that your your I guess evil intentions are in fact evil and a bad idea.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Yes. Yeah, you can't you can't do both, you can't be connected to someone through consciousness. Like it okay, so if they if everything is one consciousness, that means that you are me. And if I'm if I'm bad to you, then I'm hurting myself.

SPEAKER_04 48:17

I wouldn't want to eat like obscene people.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

No, no, no, no. And he like like I think that these people are, you know, they're gonna have to go through life review after they die, and they're gonna they're gonna have to experience how they've treated every uh all of these people through their eyes. That's how they're gonna get to that's what hell is. Hell is experiencing what you've done to other people through their eyes. And if and if it's gonna be Epstein grand, if it's gonna be that big, those people are gonna have a long, long time of suffering because they have treated people very horribly for you know most of their lives. So they're they're gonna suffer for that. And and the suffering isn't gonna be something someone's done to them. The suffering is gonna be something they've done to themselves.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Right. No, I I I like that viewpoint. Um obviously, this has definitely impacted your life very positively. Have you had any fallout from this or any like social repercussions, or has there been any like hardships brought about by sharing this experience with people?

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Not about sharing the experience, but about getting to it, yeah. Like I I've lost, like I said, a lot of my family. And like I'm handicapped. I broke my back when I was 18. I I can walk, but I have I have like seven different conditions. Like, so I I have difficulty working, and like this is like this has been a struggle. Like this this whole life is a struggle. Like, and so I mean, just there's there's gonna be a ton of struggle to go through, but it's all worth it.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Like, yeah, I I think that also brings about an interesting question, and as we talk about the influence of kind of the world on our consciousness, but also you know, the influence of God on on the world, right? What is like what what is the the point of of this? Like, what what is the point of of anything, right? Like, why why do we exist and and what was the purpose of our existence in your eyes and as it's been revealed to you? Like I I guess I think that's kind of the second most common question to you know, the why does God allow bad things to happen to good people, right? Is what are we all here for, man? Yeah, are we here? What's the purpose of life? Right, and and then also why was I created, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Yeah. Well, okay. So I talk about this a little bit in my video. Um, that we we are souls. And I I don't know how like once we got broken into souls, like we're experiencing consciousness. We are we are that one consciousness, but we're also a soul. Like I saw my grandma when she died, I saw her soul leave her body. It was like a glowing orb. And when my daughter was born, I saw a glowing orb come out of the lights and go into her mom. And like I saw this, like with my eyes, I saw this while awake. I wasn't dreaming, I wasn't imagining. I like it's and I was the only one to see it too. It was really weird, both occasions. But it happened. Like I like it just, it made me aware of us being a soul, right? And then like I had this experience of us of being a soul, like at God's feet. But so we we're all a soul. So we're going, like we're going through experiences in this soul, and we're infinite. You're gonna you're gonna be here forever. This body is gonna die, and it's gonna fall off like a t-shirt. It's gonna be like nothing. It's gonna be like waking up from a dream because you are not this body, you are that soul underneath. And so, so you're having this experience, uh, like your soul is in is in the spirit world right now. You're your body's here, but your soul is already there. So when your body dies, like you're not going anywhere. You're like literally already in the spirit world right now, like your soul is.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Do you think there's levels to that?

SPEAKER_01 52:12

Uh yeah, I think there's I think there's dimensions within our universe, and and there's also where she is outside of our universes. Like, I I think that um her aura is light, and all of the universes are emanating out of her in that light. And I I saw it, like in a vision after.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. It's it's it's interesting that you're describing it this way because that's honestly how modern science is showing us that things are working. Um my background uh by education is science, and then I also work kind of in in a science-related field, but uh quantum physics, their theory with entanglement is that the particles are actually even if they're separated in 3D space in a different elevated dimension, they may not actually be separated just with how space folds. And that's why uh interaction between entangled particles affects the other particle directly, is because it's like they're touching, even if they're not touching in 3D space.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

So yeah, because there really isn't any, I mean, there isn't any space in outside of 3D space. So there like there's no time, there's no space. It's just like uh it's hard to explain. Um okay, so after after I had the experience of of being at God's feet, like I went to bed and I woke up in the morning and I I had to meditate. I don't know why I had to meditate. And then in that meditation, like I had the most clear vision, like it was watching, it was like watching a movie. And I I talk about it in the video where how I was seeing her as like a shadow. She, I I saw her whole body this time, and she was floating above the stone, and and and then she she was like sitting in a meditative position, and her her left hand was point, like was on her on her knees, and she was pointing up, and and above her finger was a dot of light. And then she like zoomed me into it closer and closer and closer and closer. And as I got in there, it was like she said to me, like, this is your universe, and I could see the dot of light. And as I got closer, I could see it was like it was a flat circle. And and then I was surrounded by an infinite amount of these flat circles, and they were all facing me. All of these universes were all like facing me, and I could see all of them, it was like they were all points of light, and and like I was just like she was showing me like it was it was come like that. All of the universes are coming out of her like as as light, and and she's infinite. So everything in the universe is infinite. Like like if you uh look at what CERN's doing, right? They keep breaking down particles and breaking down particles. You could break down the smallest particle and break it down again and break it down again and never get to the end of that particle. You will never get to the end of the particle because they're made of God and they're infinite. You will never get to the end of space because there is no end of space because it's infinite, because it's come it's come directly out of God. I don't know. And she's infinite.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

I I don't know if you're familiar. What you're kind of describing is very similar to the work that Itsak uh Bentov has done. Uh he wrote the book Stalking the Wild Pendulum, and uh I can't remember the other one that he it's something to do with the study of consciousness. But he describes uh multiversal theory where there's a tetrahedron of of spheres, and each sphere is an independent universe, and then as you zoom out, that structure gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and then uh he describes that as almost like the universal consciousness, is what he terms it is is that the consciousness that holds all of that together. But um whatever.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

So God, so God, right? She's that's emanating that light, that all of these universes are emanating out of God, so she's she's just aware, she she has an awareness of what's going on in that aura through consciousness. Yeah, she's she's okay. Well, we're we're an individual being, right? We we have our daily needs, and we're individuals, but she her individuality is capable of being within every individual. That makes sense. So she's like just this incredibly intensely amazing being that we can't understand. You know, she's doing stuff that we just can't even fathom. Like she's controlling so much, it's unbelievable. That's I mean, just that reason right there is enough to fall in love with her for me. Like, just the amount of attention that she's paying to everything is just so incredible. Like, it's like, wow, what a what a wonderful mom.

SPEAKER_04 57:08

That's a huge level of detail to keep you know, keep in mind and keep running. Um a lot of this sounds kind of like uh some of the trip reports with people that talk about DMT and as far as a reality that's realer than real, or people experiencing entities with psilocybin or LSD. Where do you think uh psychedelics fit in with meditation or in contrast to meditation? How do you think that fits into consciousness as a whole?

SPEAKER_01 57:39

That's a great one. I think they're so key. I think plant medicine is so important because what it's what it does is um there's so many um studies now that say that um there's a chemical in your brain that's blocking you from reality. Gabo. And if you if if you take if you take an um psilocybin or other types of hallucinogens over a long period, like not um regularly, but like uh um dispersed uses over a period of time, you'll you you wear down that chemical and you start to have more of a a connection with actual reality versus what your brain is telling you what reality is. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 58:27

This so there's actually a a neurotransmitter called GABA that is an inhibitory neurotransmitter. It's the same neurotransmitter that gets released with alcohol consumption, and that kind of makes you feel chill and relaxed, and you can kind of zone out a little bit. But it also is seen in infants in really, really high levels because you don't want an infant to be completely overwhelmed with everything. You want them to be able to hone in on mom's face and learn, like, hey, this is how I breastfeed, and like know a very small set of details versus taking in the entire world and hearing the neighbor's dog barking and not being able to sleep in all of the all the shit. Exactly. So, yeah, very interesting studies coming out. With plant medicine, I guess in your experience, is there one that pairs best with meditation? Or is uh I don't know if you've tried yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

I I'm I I would suggest for people to try as well. Like I I say this lightly because I I don't think that necessarily everybody should, but I think most people should. And I think there's a specific way to do it, and it's not to take it lightly. Like I mean this very seriously. You know, don't take this lightly. So if you're gonna meditate, what I would suggest is get yourself some mushrooms, like an ape, and do you're gonna take the whole thing. So what you want to do is you want to put it in like a film container and then put like put it in a Ziploc bag and then put that in a film container, and then you're gonna you what you want to have is like um uh a little altar. Create yourself a little altar out of uh it doesn't matter what, just maybe flowers or um I I have a um like a Mother Mary, just it's not about what is there, it's to create the mood. Okay. So so create a little altar and then you're you're going to give this to God. So you're gonna take these mushrooms and you're gonna give them to God every day when you meditate. You're gonna say thank you and you're gonna give them to her, and then you're gonna light some incense, and then you're gonna take those mushrooms and you're gonna stick them in your in your lap, right near your tummy, and meditate. And then you're you don't have to think anything, you don't have to do anything, just allow your vibrations to go into those mushrooms for a few weeks every day. And then, you know, maybe pray to God, say, you know, I'm I'm not doing this for fun. I'm doing this to see you, I'm doing this to become more with more one with the universe to find myself. And then every day meditate with those on you. And then on a full moon, on a full moon, and when there's a lot of energy, you'll you'll be able to feel it. Take those mushrooms and listen to Swami, meditate again, go through you know the whole process, make make a big deal out of it on those, do something special and try to do it by yourself. Find yourself a um a place where you're all alone, where you're not disturbed, where you can, you know, watch videos for a little while, where you can meditate for a while and not you know have anyone come judge you or or you know, have any other thoughts about anybody else's problems or anything, and be very focused on this. And then through through doing that a couple times, you will open yourself up in a way that you never even knew, like to what's there. Like, and and then I think that I think those types of experiences help you get to open yourself up to her, to be able to look away from the world and to have an experience with her, because you're not gonna need you know the plant medicine to have that experience with her. You're not you're not gonna need that, but you will need that to open yourself up in a way where you didn't know you could. And and if you're very intentional about the usage, it's not a it's not a party. This isn't for fun. I'm not doing this, you know, to go have a good time. It's not a grape for bed concert. No, this is very serious, Dan.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

As it pertains to like use of psychedelics, mushrooms, um, you know, whatever the the choice um substance is, you know, one thing Reed and I have discussed at great length about these things, and and potentially as you're describing, there's some pretty significant uh access privileges, if you will, um by by you know, um taking advantage of them. But maybe not now that Joe Rogan is in the White House. Right, yeah, no, but like as as it pertains the White House, yeah. But as it pertains to these things, one thing that Reed and I have discussed is that you know there's regulation on these and there's uh control points from a legislative standpoint on these substances, and i it's kind of got us gobsmacked because you know we always use the the reference point of alcohol because it's the you know current most legal substance, but somehow it kills you know tens of thousands of people on the road. So much more dangerous than anything else. Yeah. So do you think that there's a countervailing force within I guess mankind to inhibit the use of these so that we are inherently controllable and and less conscious conscious of higher consciousness?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Okay. Well, you you look at the Epstein stuff that's going on right now, um, they they want to control people. You're absolutely right. They want to control people, and they are in every single way in your food, your water, your air, your social media, your Netflix, your your news, everything. They are in control of that. So if you are um in fear all the time and you know you're easy to control, then that that's that's how they want you. Okay, so if you take mushrooms, you break out of that. And that's why they're a class five narcotic. That's why they're oh so so bad. No, they're not. They're they're the thing that's gonna wake people up, and they know that, and they know that they don't want people to do that, they don't want people to wake up and become less controllable because then they they can't keep doing the shit that they're doing, and it's awful what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:55

No, I I think it's an interesting segue off of this, and again, you know, Reed and I being the nerds we are have have discussed this, you know, in contrast significantly as well. Is that you know we're there's there's a lot of accounts, um, you know, numerous at this point, you know, um countless that describe the ability to have encounters, to witness things um both, you know, on earth and and out of body, right? But one thing that's been interesting to us is the sudden and kind of inexplicable release recently of those UFO files on the Department of War website. And it it kind of brought to mind for us, you know, given folks' accounts and and kind of the the turnkey solution that psychedelics can be for having kind of extraterrestrial encounters and being able to see things beyond our own consciousness, uh how do you I I guess uh describe that? Do you think that's another control point that they're using to kind of get ahead of this narrative? So that they can, you know, control the narrative? What's your your standpoint on the the UFO files? What do you think those are? You know, it let's let's assume for the sake of argument that these aren't aircraft, drones, you know, some Chinese thing that's flying around. If these are truly unidentified objects in our atmosphere, what what do you associate that with and and what would you call those? And why would why now? Yeah, why now is well okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:31

Dan, we need to know. We need to know, Dan.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

We're all we're all souls, all right. So those those aliens or whatever, they're souls too. They're they're not anything, you know, um more than or less than us. We're all we're all just souls in this universe experiencing things. And I think that I think there are aliens. I think there are extraterrestrial beings that are out there and that they're higher intelligence than us, and that they're you know, they've probably been here for we're probably products of them rather than they're watching us. We're, you know, we're their science experiment. And I think that, you know, now is because we're waking up, we're more people like are having the experience of being one with consciousness, and that's what it takes to run their ships. That's what it takes to communicate with them, that's what it takes to travel across the universe, is being one with consciousness. Like this this thing that I've been explaining this whole time about you are this one consciousness. Well, that's how they communicate, that's how they fly their ships around. That's how I specifically talk to them. I've I've had multiple communications with them. And okay, so like when I very first started meditating, I started watching Steven Greer too, Dr. Greer. Yeah, and he does the CE5 protocols, and it's pretty simple. You um so for me, I'm I would chant and then I would sit outside and I would uh um do the CE5 protocol. So you basically try to find them in the sky with your mind, and then you tell them who you are, that you mean no harm, where you are, and then the the way he describes it is is like looking at a Google map from space, right? You're imagine you're seeing uh from outer space where you are on Earth, like you're you guys in Texas, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

So imagine seeing Texas from outer space and then zooming into Texas and then getting closer and closer and then seeing the city that you're in, and then seeing your house, and then seeing yourself outside of your house, like looking up at them, right? That's that's the process. So you tell them where you are, and then you just you know send that out a few times. And then so I started doing that. I started doing that, and I said, you know, guys, my name is Dan Riley, come visit me and my family. And then, okay, so this is how I know it was real for me, because a real interaction that you're gonna have always comes with a psychic interaction as well, a dream or some kind of actual voice in your head. And I've had I've had all of it. And okay, so I'll tell you my my first experience and then we can talk about it. And I have a couple more really good ones. So I was sitting out, I was sitting outside. Oh no, first, first, uh the day of um I I had a dream the night before. I I the dream was I was like I I lived outside of Palm Springs um at the time, and I lived in a big valley. It was like hot, dry desert. And I was like in that desert, but I was like in an apartment building, it was in my house, uh, and I was on top of a roof of like a garage, but it was the like the roof was turned into like a um like a patio. And I was and and out in the distance was a little like a little airport, and there was this airplane trying to land. It was coming from my right, trying to land and in front of me. It was like and every time it like waved off, come down, wave off again. And I looked where it was trying to land, and there was a uh UFO there, like a really bright, had all these lights on it, and then it shot up into the sky, into these clouds and into a much larger UFO. It was crazy, like I've never seen anything like this. I I couldn't have imagined it. And then I woke up, right? And I was like, whoa, that was weird. That that shit was weird, and then so like later on that day, I I was exercising and I'd I'd done my my day, and then I walked outside, and my wife and my my youngest son, he's he was um like four or five at the time. We're standing outside and we're looking up at the hills, and there's there it's Sunday night, and they they were doing some work up on the hill putting up a um uh a wind generator, uh a windmill, and um but it was Sunday night and it was like 6:30 or 7 o'clock at night. So that there wasn't supposed to be anybody there, but it looked like a helicopter up on top of the mountain. And I was like, you guys see that? That's weird. What are they doing? They're working up there right now, and it was like coming towards us. And as it got closer and closer, we could see that it had three giant square lights uh across the side of it. The whole ship, the whole ship was uh like if you put three squares next to each other, that's how wide it was, and that's how tall it was. So, like one square tall and three squares wide. And and each square was a red light, and it was freaking enormous. And so at first, the first red square came on, and then it faded out slowly, and the middle one came on, faded on and faded off, and then the third, the last one faded on, faded off, and it just kept doing that in that order, and it flew by us silent.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

It had to have been about a half a mile away, and I swear it was a thousand yards long, and it was silent, and it was it was flashing those lights as it went by, and I was like, whoa, my wife was standing there, she saw it, my son saw it, we're all just like, what the Dan, I I want to slightly pivot on this and and ask a question that um I think most men, you know, would ask another man that's telling them this. Um what did what did your wife think? Like, like I I you know, I I'm just asking one crazy one crazy guy asking you who who has otherwise sound logic in this. Whenever you go to your wife and you're like, you know, honey, I'm I I'm I'm seeing shit, like, you know, not to discredit it at all, but you know, does did she, you know, out of love just say, okay, we need to do that. That's cool. Break that down.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:47

No, no, she was she was standing there with me watching, like with her her jaw dropped on the floor, too. I ran inside the garage real quick and I grabbed the laser. I have a green laser for like a rifle, like a and and I I was like circling it with the laser, and and she's like, What is that? And I'm like, I don't know what that is. That's it's not a helicopter, it's not making any noise, it's not an airplane. It's it was completely silent. And and we both discussed it, and she's like, Yeah, I she I don't know what it is, and I I didn't know what it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:18

So that brings me to kind of an interesting point on just our conversation that's happened in general and talking, you know. I I asked, you know, what did your wife think? And um, you know, I I think if I myself or Reed, maybe not so much Reed, but me went to my wife and said, dude, you're never gonna believe it. You know, I I had an encounter with God. You know, I I would probably get, you know, some interesting looks from her until you know she herself experienced it, or you know, I provided some kind of rationale or or you know, really broke my back over fighting for this. But that that's not so much to say, like um you know, how do I explain that to her? No, it that's not really the question. I think what what is interesting to me, so you know, Reed and I have talked about you know Gnosticism specifically, and it places a really significant emphasis on the dyad, right? The the bond between a husband and wife, right? And as you're leaping into a form of higher consciousness, your your encounter with with um God, do you do you feel that that's changed your perception of that importance? Has it increased it as within your own relationship? Yeah, within your own relationship or how others should view theirs.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

It's made my relationship so much more important because I realized that without her, I wasn't, I was never going to do this. This was never going to happen. It was never going to happen. So she she is that dyad. She is that important, that necessary piece to to this happening. She helped me break free of my family in a way where I was I was really struggling with some really negative people. Like my mom, my mom was um really going through some stuff, and like it just like without her, like I none of this would have happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

So it's just like so important. Have you taught her this, or I guess, for lack of a better word, brought her with you? Or do you guys teach each other somehow?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:19

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:20

Okay, all right. This is really important. All right, you gotta everyone's gotta do it on their own. Everyone has to, they have to meditate on their own, they have to listen to the consciousness studies on their own, they have to have the realization on their own, they have to want to do it. And not everybody wants to do it or is ready to do it in this lifetime, or or necessarily believes that it's possible. Like, I I don't know why I knew it for me was going to be possible before I started. I I don't know why. I just knew it. And I never gave up. And some you just have to have that kind of attitude to be able to complete the process. Like, you're never going to give up, no matter what happens. If you get bit by the snake, if you have to give up your whole family, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, but you're gonna not gonna give up, right? And I don't know if necessarily she wants to put that much dedication into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:13

Like, I like you know, like I think there's something to be said, like uh kind of the angle that you're taking in this this matter on mass is w we're looking at individuality of consciousness and and elevating it, right? And to some extent, the relationship you have with another person's consciousness or another person, another entity is limited by the clouded nature of your just you know, say straight out the box consciousness, right? So it's based on what you're saying, it seems to me that there's significant and crucial value to the relationship you have with with your wife, but that that's only possible if on the individual scale you've been able to, you know, going back to my my metaphor of the the resonant frequency of the room, right? You have to get the wife out the room and and clear everybody else out before you can have a conversation with just her. So that's that that's I think a very uh interesting point you've made that um the the consciousness itself is individual, but the relationality is uh kind of a a secondhand fruit of elevating your own.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:25

Yeah, yeah. You and and everybody has to do it uh individually, you know, like I can't I can't force anyone to have this realization. It just takes work. You know, like that's that's the that's the point that I'm trying to show people is that you know, um you you will have a re a realization, you will have an experience that is life-changing, but you have to do the work, you know, and the work is really easy. The work is really easy. I mean, how hard is it to sit there and chant oh? It's not, it's not, it's just doing it. See, I this is what's wrong with people now, is that they're they're they all say, Oh, I don't have time. Everybody says, Oh, I don't have time to put an hour into chanting, an hour into listening to Swami. But you have 22, you have 24 hours a day. That's two hours, right? Of of doing something. So, like, if people would stop doom scrolling for two hours a day instead and just do this instead, like, I mean, there is the time for it. It's just what people choose to do with their time.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:23

I I think an interesting, you know, um kind of nature of what we've been discussing and and your beliefs is that in society today, they're seen as um I guess occult or radical or um you know uh foreign, right? And it's interesting because like especially in the states, right? We had the movements, you know, 100-200 years ago that that kind of established the foundation of the modern day non-denominational Protestant movement in the United States. So i in your uh vision for the perfect future, right? Which who knows if that's even possible, is is the dream for you to see a society where there's the 30,000 square foot room that people can gather and and learn to center themselves? Or do you think that it needs to be a journey of self-discovery that people not so much happen into, but they pursue on an individual level? Do you think there's uh I guess uh an evangelism opportunity here, or do you think that it really needs to be a a journey of self-revelation?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

I I think that's a good another another great question. I think that um in general, religion needs to be dropped uh by society. I think Christianity, Muslim, uh Judaism, I think they all need to be dropped because I believe that they were created by the elite to keep people in control. And I think that when you stop looking outside of yourself, like uh a lot of people think that Jesus is gonna come and come save them. And like, you know, it's a lot of looking outside themselves for something to come save them, and that's that's what religion has done is it's created this atmosphere where people, you know, are looking outside. And what I'm saying is is through a little bit of work, you can find God within. And she she's amazing, and she's she's looking for you right now. She's she's trying to find everyone, she wants everyone to find her, but you can't do it through religion. Like I and I think that they need to be dropped. Religions need to be dropped.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

It's interesting because the a majority of what's broadcast media and um what what you see on TikTok and and everywhere else about the American kind of Christian reformed movement, yeah, a big component of that uh that I think is is both oftentimes a little bit uh on the fringe of of what I think is realistic based on scripture, but the prosperity gospel. And one thing I've not heard you say during this entire conversation is that your belief in God will uh somehow bring you riches, wealth, and earthly gain. And I think that's fascinating because it's completely counterintuitive to what many such an unsexy message. Well, yeah. I mean, in many ways it is, but uh it it almost makes sense, right? Because it makes it more real. Yeah, and also, you know, a a lot of what uh modern day Christian, you know, narratives say is is that and the prosperity gospel is just one example, but even still, you know, tithing, giving of yourself, you know, it it's relating a lot to money. And so I think the point you make about you know the structure of religion needs to not exist for the sake of it really only exists for the sake of control is interesting because to some degree uh it makes more sense what you're saying in that there's no real element of control involved other than learning to control yourself, and self-governance is something that I think the government, people of power, and the the world don't want you to have. And so it's it's fascinating to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:05

And also look what religion does too. Um, like okay, so let's say I'm Christian and I'm talking to a Muslim, and I say, Oh, well, you can't get to heaven unless you believe in Jesus. That's that's immediate division. Yeah. Like that kind of division makes people fight. That kind of division causes the point of finding God to get lost. It's not about it's not about Muhammad, it's not about Jesus, it's not about any of that. It's about finding God within yourself. And and that's why I think the the yogas are so important. It's about using a technology. And what I think should happen, uh you brought this up earlier, and then I think this is a really important point, is that I think, you know, getting rid of religions, but replacing it with uh my idea. I've been trying to, I've been building a um a trust document uh is the four yoga's spiritual center. So what you would do is you would come in and you know, spend maybe a couple years there. It's paid for and spend part of your life there. Learn, learn all about the four yogas, learn, learn about, you know, um consciousness, learn how to chant, learn, be put yourself in a space where it's you know very conducive to learn and and beautiful and comfortable. And then give try to you know make these centers all around the world and give people the opportunity to do this as a spiritual center, as a place to grow this way, instead of you know trying to think someone's gonna come save them. Because I don't think anyone's gonna come save anyone. I think if anyone's gonna save anyone, it's gonna be yourself saving yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:40

Which is counterintuitive to the again, going back to the narrative I was I was saying earlier, like you know, uh the the you know modern narrative of the the Christian denomination broadly, you know, and that covers all of them, is that it's a place to be sent forth and yet they create a community surrounding it that brings you back in and and causes you to contribute and and looks at this you know communal architecture, whereas you're almost looking at a place to be uh given information and and truly sent forth and set on a journey rather than a place that ultimately if you leave and and find higher consciousness and you never came back, then their goal was met.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:22

Yeah, with that too, like circling back to the government UFO files and circling back to war.gov, like we have these revelations that we're not alone in the universe, is kind of the goal of these things, but also it's from the Department of War. They want you to know, hey, we could kill them if we wanted to. Yep. Like, don't worry, sweet baby children American. We got you. You know, it's it's yeah, it's that paternalistic sort of thing that we're seeing with the government, but also a little bit with your church analogy there, too. Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

I think a lot of people I think a lot of people, I think this is where most people go wrong. Is there it's the it's the transactional thing from God, you know? It's like making God a businessman. You know, I I do this for you and you do this for me. I pray to you, you do this for me. I I ask you for this. I, you know, I I don't ask God for anything. I don't ask her for anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:23

Never vending machine, God, where you put it whatever in.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:27

The only thing I ask for is her presence in my life. Just, you know, show be there with your bliss, be there with your love, and that's it. I don't want anything else. I don't and I'm not looking for a car, I'm not looking for a house, I'm not looking for money, I'm not looking for anything. I just want her to be there in my life, and that's it. Like that's all I've ever asked for.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

Dan, how much do you think it costs to uh meditate?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:56

Just your time. That's it. I'm glad you thought that was funny. I think, Dan, I I another question too that is interesting is you know, we've talked a lot about control and about public perception, public um adhesion to the rules and and control points um societally. How has this experience, this enlightenment and and faith that you have changed the way you you view the world and and changed, you know, for lack of a better term, how how does this change how you vote, right? Like whenever you look at our our geopolitical issues, give us the the lens that you look at things through now. I I think that there's there's a lot of love and a lot of um intensity with which you you view the value of a person's consciousness. Tell us what your consciousness is about, you know, what's on your conscience about the world and and geopolitically and socially.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:53

I think there's a movement happening. I think that uh we've been stuck under the thumb of these sickos for a long time, but there's something going on underneath the surface, and that's not only something going on with uh actionable items, like you know, people doing something, but there's some some kind of like growth in consciousness that's happening throughout humanity right now. I I don't know why, I don't know how it maybe it's um our our global position in the universe. I don't know. I don't know, but there's definitely something happening. And in in this time of this growth, I think that people are are they're experiencing something where stuff isn't making sense anymore. Like what what they're describing, the narrative they're putting up there, it doesn't make sense to what you feel on the inside anymore. Like it just it's not right. So so all this like voting, you know. I I think voting is a scam right now. I think we need to make voting real again. I think we need to make our government real again. I think we need to, you know, take away money as um an option to guide policy. And start going back to morality to guide pause, you know, policy.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:04

I want the I want the red trucker hat that says MVRA on it. Make voting real again. I'd buy that. I'd I'd contribute to that cause.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:13

Seriously, make voting real again. And you know, I think it could be done in in the way now because we could we could make a really secure app. You have to put in your social security number or your thumbprint or something. You you do your vote through your phone, it goes in instantly and it's accounted for. I mean, how hard is that in this age of technology? And then, okay, yeah, there are going to be some issues with hacking or whatever. So the quantum technology, quantum computing is coming out already. Like this, this is gonna be solvable. You know, it's a it's a it's a morality issue right now. It's it's about people thinking that money is more important and and you know, maybe these these systems that are in control that have got people like um, you know, uh they've done terrible things, so now they're they're under their control, so they're making policies uh on on those bases. And you know, as soon as we can get some of the stuff out of the way and start having a real conversation again, I think that you know, humanity will realize that we were never enemies, like all these different countries and all these different races and all this, all the all this stuff. It's just been a big lie. It's just been a big story.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:21

Dan with that, I I think you you've pointed out something that's you know confounding to me. Um and something that we're being sold, right? And we talked about this when we talked about you know the influence of psychedelics and talked about legislation that you know regulates them and prevents people from using them, yada yada. But it it almost sounds like universally that the mutual acceptance of a you know pursuit of higher consciousness, a a mutual acceptance of the pursuit of elevating yourself would almost negate the need for governance. And so that it's almost as if that the division of religion and culture creates the the need for governance. And so it's it's interesting to me that what you've been projecting during our conversations today have disappointed in a lot of ways that you you talked about having kind of the sending off center where people can come and and learn and and be sent off and and you know achieve the the consciousness, but I there almost could become a time if if those were widespread where even those buildings need not exist, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

Like working yourself out of your own.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:36

I mean that that would be the intention of those buildings, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

Yeah. I mean, I my thing is that everybody can do this from home. We don't need a four yoga spiritual center to do that. Yeah, I I did it from home. You could do it from home. Like that's that's the thing. But I think a four yoga spiritual center would just be like a good aid, you know, to get people um to to first have uh the correct teachings and the correct methods in in a good environment, you know, because not everybody's in a good environment, not everybody can um put themselves in in the mood for the teachings at the time. So creating a space for that, I think for for humanity right now would be necessary. But then later on, I think you're absolutely right. I think you know, we could build we could build a society where it just happens naturally, just through being alive, you know, like may maybe we could teach you know consciousness studies in school and teach meditation in school for for young kids and and let them grow up with it. And then as they get older, it they don't even need to go to a yoga center because they've grown up with it and they've had those experiences through their life just because it was part of their life. I mean, if you look at um ancient India, like that's what they did, and if you look at their the spirituality level of those people, it's like it's it's lived till today. Like it's it's lasted, and there's a reason it's lasted. And yeah, it's not the greatest place right now, but I mean, spirituality is a huge deal there, and there's a reason for that, it's because it was built into the society, like yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:06

I I think that that segues really well to a question, a couple like a group of questions for you. Um but like going back to making voting real again, that's the macrocosm, that's our country. I'm a dad, you're a dad, but like zooming in a little bit. How do you as a dad interact with your kids with this in the background? And how do you teach your kids how to study consciousness? And then with that, how do you train them to make that like deconstruct what we have right now and build something better for the future?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

Yeah, I you know, I think that it's like it goes back to that being an individual basis, you know. Like my my youngest son, he's really interested in spirituality, and my older son, he's you know, not as much. So on an individual basis, you you got like for me, I just try to, you know, explain I explained to them you know what happened to me. I explained that I use you know yoga as a technology to to achieve that, and that they could do it too, and if they want to, you know, and it's no pressure on them. They that if they want to experience their life in whatever way they want to, that's great. But if they want to experience God and you know want to try and get there, then you know use these technologies. And you know, I I told them, but you know, like as an individual, they have to want that for themselves. And you know, I I want that for them, but I can't, you know, I can lead the horse to water, but I can't make them drink.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:35

I think that's there's there's such beauty in that approach. Um, you know, having grown up in a strict sect of Christianity myself, and you're you're six, eight years old, whatever, and you ask mom, you know, what does God look like, or who is Jesus, or what is you know, am I gonna go to heaven when I die? Why do we have to hide the eggs every Easter? Yeah, exactly. But when you ask these questions, the the natural response is that the parent basically has a handbook of saying, Look, kid, you know, uh, you know, Jesus died 2,000 years ago, and that's the answer. But I think there is a subtle beauty to saying, hey dude, why why don't you go explore that for yourself and and see if you can find the answer? It's it's kind of a Montessori method of consciousness and um religious exploration rather than there is no other way. Right. And I think what we've created is generation over generation that's imprinting the same ideology, but creating a lack of ability or willingness to question what what they're being told.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:43

Oh yeah. If you question, if you question, oh you're gonna get nailed.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:51

You're getting the belt of the chancle to the butt as a kid, right? Um you know, Dan, to give to give you a side story, um, and I don't want to point this at the conversation at me, but you know, I I remember when I was younger, I I asked my mom, um, there was a crucifix on the wall, and I asked my mom, Mom, why does Jesus have a six pack? And when I tell you, Dan, I was in time out for probably the longest I was ever in timeout as a kid. I mean, I remember that to this day, and I was like, six. Dude, everybody knows Jesus was shredded. Dude, I mean, you know, that that you're they take some liberties on that European uh impression of Christ on the cross. But you know, it it's interesting though, because I I think your view on this is uh again, there's there's just great subtle beauty to allowing a young mind to explore, expand, and question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:45

Yeah. They have to they have to try and find it for themselves, and I want that for them, but I mean I can't I can't make them, you know. And and like that's the thing. When I when I went to Christian school, it was a lot of forcing. You know, it was a lot of you gotta do this. You get it you you can't be a sinner, you know, like you gotta you gotta love Jesus, and it's like I don't I don't want to impose any rules on them. I I want them to try and discover it for themselves. And you know, here's here's the technology. If you want to use it, cool. If not, cool. That's what I tell everybody. That's it. My kids, uh someone I don't know, you know, if look, this is the technology, it works. All you gotta do is do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:25

Do you have these conversations like at the bank or grocery store? Or is it okay? Yeah, I was gonna ask, like, is that something that comes up? You're just like, hey, uh, you want to know how to talk to God?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:36

No, I I won't ever bring this up to people that just randomly. Like, I'll have this conversation with people that are like-minded that want to have this conversation. Like, I'll do podcasts and stuff like that because this is a good place to explore these kind of things, but like I don't like you know how like a um like a Christian or um uh a Mormon will just like just spray Jesus all over you, you know what I mean? Like, oh god.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:02

I never want never want to do context. Um first of all, that's never been my concern with Mormons, but read proceed. But you know what I mean though, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:14

Like they just I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:16

I actually did this. I there was a dare to share conference as a as a youth, and I had the audacity to go knock on people's door and be able to like give them the universal Christian truth. Why can I see that? Yeah, I I've knocked on somebody's door and I'm like, hey, can I tell you about Jesus? And they're like, no. And I'm like, the audacity. They need to know about my savior.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:40

And you're not the only one, you know. Like I like I said, I grew up in Christian school too, and I I felt that way as well. It's like it it gives you it gives you that attitude where you need to share it. Like like other people are are gonna lose their life if you don't tell them, right? And yeah, and I don't feel I don't feel like that about this, about what happened to me. I just like I I want ever I want everybody in the whole world to hear what happened to me, to so they can know that there is a God out there and that you can find her for yourself. But like I don't want to be like, you know, I I don't want to try and force anyone to do it or try to force it on anyone. I just want I want them to know it's possible, but that's it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:23

I got a uh cold call message uh today and it was a text message, and they're like, hey, read, um, this is Ava, and just so you know, we do gutters locally and I'm like, I don't even know who Ava is. First off, lose my number. Second off, like, why would anybody respond to a you have to have that relationship and you have to have that curiosity? I have to be willing to like go look for somebody who can install gutters and make that decision already that I'm going to buy gutters before I'm even willing to like have that conversation. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:01

So and so I don't want to do that out in public, you know. That's that's exactly it. Like, I don't want to go try and sell my gutters in public to just some random stranger who doesn't uh want gutter spiritual gutters, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:18

Exactly. Um, dude, I want to be conscientious of your time, but this has been such an incredibly insightful and fun conversation to have with you. Fascinating. Me too. You know, Dan, this is yeah, this has been great. Um, I usually use this time in our podcast to have guests plug like their YouTube channels or their social medias or any. Do you have any projects going that you want to share more about?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:46

Um, you know, I I really don't. I I only made the the one video and I cut a little 20-minute clip out of it and added music to it just so it would be a little bit more exciting to post on Reddit. But like other than that, like I've only made those two videos and I've just really done it just to share with people my experience. And I mean you can find you can find that like maybe uh I'll I'll send you a link to it and you can put it with this podcast. But like I really don't have like um any um things that I've got really going on with this. I I I would like to do more podcasts with people, I would like to share it with you know as much as I can out there my experience, just just so people know that it's possible for them too. Like I like I'm not out here saying like, hey, look at me, like I'm a I'm Jesus, you know. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:36

And I don't you never ask me for any money, you never ask me to tithe. This isn't a church or cult experience. This is just you sharing what out of the goodness of your heart.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:46

Yeah, I don't want anything from anyone. I just want to share that this is possible for you, you know. And when I say you, I mean everyone, like this is possible for everyone. So and you know, thank you for having me. Thank you for this. It's been a really awesome conversation. I I I really enjoyed it. I I love doing this kind of stuff because I I think you know, getting getting the opportunity to talk about this is you know maybe gonna brighten up somebody else's life. Yeah, and I I hope it does.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:15

Well, I gotta say you definitely have brightened up my life. Thank you so much for coming on to the show, off in the reads, Quinn. Thank you so much for helping me interview Dan. This has been excellent.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:26

Yeah, it's been a it's been a blast, Dan. Um, and and thank you for your willingness to to share. And um, you know, I I think as a a word of encouragement, too, it's um incredible to see people like yourself that are branching out, they're willing to talk about their beliefs openly in a society where your your beliefs are judged and they're they're graded according to societal scales. And um, you know, so so thank you for your your bravery and um you know we we we surely appreciate um the conversation. And it's my pleasure, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:00

We didn't even scratch the surface with the alien stuff. So if you ever want to come back and talk more aliens, I am always happy to do that too.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:07

I absolutely do because I've got a long list of stuff that's happened to me. I'm not even kidding. Then we should do an alien panel.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:15

Oh, we do we do a couple of guests and have just open discussion, maybe a little debate here and there on just extraterrestrial life, sightings, stories items from paranoia rests.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:25

We'll call it the Federation or like the Council or something like that, the Alien Council.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:32

Sounds cool. Yes, do it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:35

The Council of Skysea.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:39

I love it. Awesome. Well, sweet, thank you so much, Dan, and uh hope you have a good day from here, my man.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:45

Again, it's my pleasure, guys. Have me on anytime. Just message me on uh WhatsApp and I'm there. Say it again.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:22

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