Have you ever felt like life's transitions could actually be the key to a more unified, whole version of yourself? Angie Shockley and I, Dave Gold, are back with the podcast that dives deep into the heart of exceptional parenting and the extraordinary challenges that come with it. We're peeling back the layers of our own life stories, revealing how Angie's blend of professional skills and shamanic practices, alongside my unique insights, have created a tapestry of healing and transformation that we're thrilled to share with you.
This episode isn't just about our revelations, though; it's about you embracing your own story with self-acceptance and love. Together, we unravel the thorny barriers that hold us back and celebrate the innate strengths within us all. As Angie shares her wisdom on guiding others to their best selves and I bring forth the mutual learning that blooms from these encounters, we hope to inspire a profound shift in how you perceive perfection within yourself and others. It's a heartfelt exchange that promises to enrich your personal and professional relationships.
As we wind down our conversation, we confront the liberating power of surrender and acceptance. By pausing amidst life's dramas, we've both discovered a tranquility that leads to trust in something greater than ourselves, paving the way for a journey aligned with authenticity. No episode would be complete without acknowledging the support system that's been our backbone – the mutual gratitude between Angie and me, and the excitement for our upcoming guests. It's all here, in a shared space where discussion, growth, and gratitude collide, guiding us toward navigating this extraordinary life together.
At Canaan Valley Spa and Wellness Center, our mission is to provide our clients with a serene and rejuvenating experience that promotes wellness of the mind, body, and spirit. We strive to create a welcoming and peaceful environment where our guests can escape from the stresses of daily life and find relaxation and balance.
Have you ever felt like life's transitions could actually be the key to a more unified, whole version of yourself? Angie Shockley and I, Dave Gold, are back with the podcast that dives deep into the heart of exceptional parenting and the extraordinary challenges that come with it. We're peeling back the layers of our own life stories, revealing how Angie's blend of professional skills and shamanic practices, alongside my unique insights, have created a tapestry of healing and transformation that we're thrilled to share with you.
This episode isn't just about our revelations, though; it's about you embracing your own story with self-acceptance and love. Together, we unravel the thorny barriers that hold us back and celebrate the innate strengths within us all. As Angie shares her wisdom on guiding others to their best selves and I bring forth the mutual learning that blooms from these encounters, we hope to inspire a profound shift in how you perceive perfection within yourself and others. It's a heartfelt exchange that promises to enrich your personal and professional relationships.
As we wind down our conversation, we confront the liberating power of surrender and acceptance. By pausing amidst life's dramas, we've both discovered a tranquility that leads to trust in something greater than ourselves, paving the way for a journey aligned with authenticity. No episode would be complete without acknowledging the support system that's been our backbone – the mutual gratitude between Angie and me, and the excitement for our upcoming guests. It's all here, in a shared space where discussion, growth, and gratitude collide, guiding us toward navigating this extraordinary life together.
At Canaan Valley Spa and Wellness Center, our mission is to provide our clients with a serene and rejuvenating experience that promotes wellness of the mind, body, and spirit. We strive to create a welcoming and peaceful environment where our guests can escape from the stresses of daily life and find relaxation and balance.
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Speaker 1:
Hello everybody and welcome back to Exceptional Parents Extraordinary Challenges. I'm Angie Shockley and I'm here with Dave Gold. Hi, dave Hi.
Speaker 2:
Angie, this is a new background, new life, new world, new everything Same podcast.
Speaker 1:
Same podcast. So Dave and I took a little break from recording this podcast, and we actually were recording on a few other topics. We had another podcast called Embrace the Journey, and we've put it on the shelf for a little while because it really felt in time to return to Exceptional Parents, extraordinary Challenges and some of the topics that we were talking about under this podcast, and so today's episode is going to be a relaunch. Dave and I are going to chat a little bit about who we are and why we want to do this, and where we are in our lives now and what you can look forward to in the future. So, dave, why don't you tell me what's been going on for you?
Speaker 2:
I think, first of all, we talked a little bit. I can't say off camera I guess we're on camera that Angie and I eat our own cooking. We can't help but eat our own cooking and by that we live. What we're talking about there is. It doesn't mean we're perfect representations of our highest values, but it means that everything we talk about is coming from our own experience or from our own lives.
Speaker 2:
And this relaunching of the podcast is a great example, because we got to the point where we thought we'd find the move on and something else was emerging and we wanted to. Really, it seemed like the transitions. Everybody in our lives were in transitions. We were in transition and we were just so captivated by what does it mean to not just survive transitions but to see them as the beautiful opportunities that they are. So it's okay. It's like on a fishing boat. When you got on a headboat, someone catches a fish on that side. Everybody was on the other side of the boat Transition side of the boat. We cast our net in and it was part of on and it was great.
Speaker 2:
But something's pulling us back to this and obviously you're still in the business. You're still in the business of Paris, extraordinary Challenges and I'm still living it. So that hasn't gone anywhere. Yeah, and I'm wondering just maybe you start is what? What has evolved? What's the new edge in terms of what we've talked about and what we bring into this in terms of your life? Because my guess is whatever's on your edge is on everyone's edge. It'll look a little different. We all live all in this together.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think I agree 100% with what you said about when we shelved this in the first place and that we were in transitions. And, yes, I am still in the business of working with young adults that have challenges and parents of those young adults who are just doing amazing work and finding their way. Definitely still, that's still a part of my life, a huge part, and at the same time, I'm also I have really expanded the work that I do under my shamanic practice, and those of you who have been listening to us for a while know that, in addition to running young adult transitional living programs, I'm also a certified shamanic practitioner and I do energy work with people, energy healing, and I also am a teacher of the medicine wheel, which is a journey of personal transformation and growth. And that world has really exploded for me, and for a long time I thought that those two worlds were separate. So I think that what is different for me right now is how much I now understand that those two worlds are very connected, and it's not that I ever have to sacrifice one for the other or that I have to be two different people or that I have to work overtime to make two different businesses run. They are separate businesses, but everything is just really jelling and everything is moving along very smoothly and it's exciting, it's super exciting.
Speaker 1:
I'm we're in the middle of building a spa and wellness center here in Canane Valley, west Virginia, where I live, which came about because of me wanting to be able to provide more healing opportunities for people, including parents of all kids, people in general, and so all of this has really just become such a smooth process for me that it's I've had the experience of it not being three or four or two separate things. It's just my life, it's what I do and it's my life's work, so it's not like I have a specific job that I'm doing or three jobs that I'm doing. This is my life's work, and being able to provide these healing opportunities for people, on whatever level, is what I'm here to do, and meeting people where they are and having different opportunities for them to find healing and move forward in their lives is what I really want to do, and I really feel like this podcast is one of those arms and one of those opportunities for people, and I want to be able to share everything that I have and everything that I'm growing and continuing to develop with the world, and so this was. This was one of the things that pushed me to think, hey, we need to just relaunch this podcast and reconnect with our audience and the folks who were with us and see where it goes from here. So that's what's on edge for me. So, if you think about it from the perspective of big life transitions, what I expected to be a big life transition really was a big life acceptance and a surrender. That's really what's happening for me.
Speaker 1:
I think you're on mute, dave.
Speaker 2:
So that's terrific, and I just had an epiphany, which I know is. So what a dog buys me. But the transitions in my own experience they seem like they're jumping from one lane to another, or but my experience is that they generally bring us to greater wholeness. Mm-hmm, he's not seem like it's onus, but it's usually leaving behind things that are no longer in line with whatever we want to call wholeness, whatever that is, and so one that's a great, it's a really great thing to understand as you're facing these transitions, but that seems like being jerked out of one thing.
Speaker 2:
But actually what I'm being is guided into greater unity and I guess Spiritual terms they call it non-duality, but just greater wholeness, and that's and then I'm thinking about you is that Especially and maybe less than your business in mind, being a haven't been a trial lawyer and being a spiritual guy, I didn't those people coming in here because their kid just got thrown in jail.
Speaker 2:
They don't want to hear about our realms, they want to know what the hell is out. So you have to leave it when you're giving advice to people who have some various I know you in a way. You've been very transparent about this is my life and I'm all of this thing and you bring all of it in. But I think now it's it's really the transition has been to want to unity when it's, there is no distinction. You're not putting a shama, you're not putting on your witches costume and next step you're going over there and you're doing intake for a new young adult. Yeah, I think that's really been what. You're just so much more whole and then in your wholeness, you can bring everything together without trying to remember which hat you're supposed to be wearing at any given time.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't have to think about it. It is wholeness and is unity and it is non-duality and that is it's just an incredible way to live and work and be, and I'm really grateful for it. So let's hear what's been on the edge for you, what brought you back to this?
Speaker 2:
One with. It's such a relief in the coaching and mentoring that I do To not have to say, okay, now here I'm getting something from another dimension. Look out I, if you want you put your screen up. Oh no, but this is my business sense, just to be able to bring whatever to, to be able. We talked before about responding to life versus reacting to life. And when you're not trying to put things into buckets, into silos, you can just respond to life so much more. And now to answer that I've From a career standpoint, which I just turned 72 says funny about a career standpoint, we just said it two years old, 30 years, I said you may regret me, may want to rethink that In my dotage, but from a career standpoint, one you can feel this is a lot more ease in my life.
Speaker 2:
There's just a lot more ease and I hope it can. I don't know if it comes from, I know, but there's just a way that I am just so much more Comfortable with life, comfortable, my own skin comfortable. From a professional standpoint I am working Primarily with attorneys, but other professionals, because I happen to be one and I know that and I say I pull thorns out of lines, pause, which is that I'm able to quickly discern what that single biggest obstacle is that's been keeping people from really being the lion people from really being the lions that they are and being able to identify, discern a creative field of love and Trust and acceptance, which is what you and I both do. It's part of our magic.
Speaker 2:
It's part of what I think we transmit why people keep coming to this podcast, even we stop recording it because they're stepping in as much as the wisdom and Create that and then being able to let people let go of it.
Speaker 2:
It's really what it is. I say I pulled the thorns out. It's got us too hard, it's too many words to fit on a bumper sticker that I allow, I give you permission and create a field where you can let go on and are for the thorn to come out. That's the longhand version. I see I don't know for those listening could see Angie just shaking it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
That's it, that's what she does too, that's what we do, so that's professionally. And I think what's become Clear as I look back and we'll probably go into this more deeply In terms of some of the details of both of our lives leading up to this point is that I've always been taking thorns out of people's paws and trying, like, how to get the thorns out of my own, and it's only in the last 10 years and Angie knows more of the story than I have time to tell or maybe any clinician to tell here but 10 years ago, and a lot of it with Julie, was certainly the demarcation point and the inflection point Is, I realized that what keeps people Thornd up, and even when you release the thorn, what makes them go out and just step on another one, is they just don't much like themselves as they are. There's just a sense they're not good. They need to improve upon it, they need to be a better version of themselves, that they're striving to be something, to change something to.
Speaker 2:
I was just on the phone with a client right before we got on and Said that it's especially with lawyers that were judged by what we do and not what we are, who we are, and so, when you know, when you feel insufficient or you feel inadequate or you've whatever, there's all this self negation and there's this constant idea that I need to be a better version of myself and there's no freedom in that. And what's happened more and more in my own life is a it's I've talked about it before and Angie and I've certainly talked in depth as as partners and colleagues on the path and in life is of just not accepting this or that about myself. Oh, I see I could be really selfish. I can make whatever the bill of particulars. The indictment is against myself.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Oh, human package that I am is the perfect expression. As someone said, God didn't make any mistakes and the fact that I think I know better than God what I should look like is foolishness.
Speaker 2:
And being able to live from there and then bring that out to people and I know you do the same. See, each of us, we have our own tool, we have our own, you know, goals or whatever cameo appearances we decided to have in our lives right now, but both of us bring that conviction. Just bring that field to people of understanding they are, which is why it's I think our podcast is so valuable, because it's one thing to say when you and I are both sitting in our nice homes and we're in WDW and it's another one when your kids call us from jail.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, that's true, I say wait, oh my God, it's my fault, I should have known that I shouldn't have given the keys to the car. What was I thinking of? This is where the proverbial rubber meets the road. So, anyway, I would say that is that just as a parallel to yours that what you've done is you've been able to pull all of your miraculous gifts and life experiences into a single direction, which then, in turns, is a gift that can give to so many people in so many different situations, in so many ways, that in my own life, it's been that continued journey towards just really first accepting who I was and then liking who I was, and then coming about the loving who I was in a non-narcissistic way in all the right ways of just realizing oh my God, I am, just I'm.
Speaker 2:
What an amazing piece of creation we all are, and including me, who I get to live inside of.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
I know.
Speaker 1:
I think that's. I think it's beautiful. I think it's a beautiful way to talk about it, because we don't know who's gonna come into our lives. We don't know who the people are who are gonna find us, but what we trust 100% is that they're here because they need us or we need them, or both, because everybody that I work with I also learn from and I think that you would say the same and we have we each have our instead of tools. We each have our own language for what we do and how we do it, and both are very needed. And so, as you're talking about the thorn out of the paw, and then the line will go right back and step on another thorn and it'll go deeper the next time In my world, it's something I'll talk about as a two-handhold.
Speaker 1:
Something happens to us and then we get caught up in the suffering of that thing. We don't ask for bad things to happen. Parents don't ask for bad things to happen to them. People in general, we don't ask for bad things to happen, but bad things are going to happen. It's part of life. Life is not all sunshine and roses and there are gonna be tough things that come our way, but what happens is we get into one of those tough situations and then we get caught up in the drama of it. That's the thorn, that's the. We get caught up in the drama and for anyone who's watching us on YouTube, it's a two-handhold. Something happens and it grabs ahold of you with your hand, with one hand, and then we grab ahold of it with our other hand and we create this two-handhold thing because we get caught in the suffering. We get caught in the story that we tell ourselves about what's happening to us. And when we get caught in that story, it starts to serve us in some way or another. And if we get caught in that story for a long time, then the way that it serves us is it's the reality that we know and we'll stay in the reality that we know, even if it's not good for us, because it's safer, or perceived safer, than what is the unknown on the other side of that. Yeah, the lion will go, step on that same thorn again and again until the lion is ready to accept him or herself and everything, that whole package that comes with us as a human. And we will do that. We will seek out the thing that causes us pain, because we get caught in the story of it, because it is a known entity and because we wanna stay in that.
Speaker 1:
And I think people ask me what I do. I say I solve problems all day long. You say you pull thorns. I say I solve problems all day long and it's sometimes.
Speaker 1:
We have a lot of wisdom between us, for sure, and sometimes our wisdom can serve other people, but for the most part it's holding space, or giving people that space you were talking about, that beautiful light, so that they can surrender long enough to be in that place of acceptance. This is who I am. God doesn't make mistakes. Every journey's perfect and this is the journey that I'm on, and I think the next level of that is recognizing, understanding, accepting and enjoying, surrendering to that. The only thing that I have any ability to control or manage is myself and my own responses to other things, not reactions, because we did talk about that. We don't wanna have reactions, we wanna have responses, and so we need the great pause, that space in between, space in between the moments where we can actually get stillness, where we can actually know intuitively what is happening and be in that place of surrender because it is perfect, whatever it is, even the hard things.
Speaker 1:
I think that what we do and how I work has shifted a little bit since our last time together on this podcast, and what you do has shifted a little bit Since then. How we're working with people and what's going on in our impersonal lives has shifted and changed a little bit, and I know that I use the skills and the information that we learned on our podcast, that we shared with each other, that we shared with others. We had incredible guests who came on and shared with us, and it's been helpful to me on my journey of recognizing that it's just about surrender and allowing things to line up, instead of me thinking I have to control everything and move all the pieces around to make sure it's okay. It's about surrendering and allowing that to happen. So I don't wanna go step on that same thorn again. I wanna know how to keep it out of my paw and I know for me that I have to really trust. I have to trust the universe, god spirit, however you wanna put it into a word. I have to be able to trust that and know that I can surrender to the process that's in front of me and be connected enough that when opportunities present themselves, I can be in those opportunities.
Speaker 1:
It's not so much about going out and chasing opportunities, it's about allowing opportunities to come to me, and that is how I have found I define success as being able to accept and be in the process of opportunities that come to me. And I know that may not be how other people define success, and that's okay. Everybody's definition is their own. But for me, it's not about money, it's not about things, it's not about what I'm doing, it's not about an action.
Speaker 1:
It's about how am I living my life? Can I live in that flow? Can I be in that place of acceptance and surrender and still do all the things that I need to do in this world, pay my bills, the very literal things that we have to do as we walk on this earth? Can I do all those things and be in the flow of my life? And that's what I'm finding is happening for me right now. And I don't know that I've ever found it to the why. No, I have never found it to this level. I can say that and I'm really grateful for it. I'm incredibly grateful.
Speaker 2:
Well, you said something that I just Life's just a trust exercise, and that's what this is, and you're articulating it beautifully that all these things have just gone to greater and greater trust, greater and greater surrender, greater ease and then greater receptivity. That's the beautiful thing about when you can just let go a little bit and receive a little bit to get, so you get the guts to let go a little bit more. There's something that I was thinking, as it relates to the podcast, that's really important when we're talking about the forums, and so many of us, as parents, will do things for our kids that we wouldn't do for ourselves.
Speaker 2:
And we talk about putting your oxygen mask on, whatever, whatever, and I've found this to be and I work with all kinds of people, or is it whatnot? But I've A lot of parents For an over. I'm saying that the thorn that the parent has is the thorn that the kid goes to step on again, because that's what makes them feel loved, makes them feel safe. And I was just thinking of a couple of one and very dynamic, successful, not my business and she's really hard on herself. She's so critical, just tough on herself. And we were getting into it and she said my mother was that way with me and it made me better. I realized, oh, that's her love language, that was her mother's love language. So she doesn't feel loved unless someone's yelling at her, and if no one else yells at her, she's going to yell at herself.
Speaker 2:
And so she's about to become a mother and I said look, let's get this thorn the hell out.
Speaker 2:
And just another situation is and she said, when she was a kid they all had there were like five kids, but the parents just saw them as chattel, just things to do, things work, and now all her worth is on what she can accomplish for other people, of course, because that's what you told your value was to your people that love the most. So now you're. These are just examples and I'm just encouraging everyone, whatever it is, whoever you want to look at in the language of the thorns or as Angie talks about it, in trust that you recognize that this is, that our children just gets their sense of safety and security and understanding through us and however our thorns or whatever our mistrust lead us, skew the way we deal with them, they are going to seek that out of themselves and it's I'm not saying this to scare people, I'm not trying to scare straight. No, it's true, in Malmousville they used to bring the other kids that were getting in trouble into the penitentiary to scare them straight.
Speaker 2:
I'm not trying to scare them straight, just that some of the greatest love that you can, I believe the greatest gift you can give, is to just whatever it means to love yourself more. So your children learn that the loving is the loving in themselves and they don't go looking for it from all the wrong people's ways.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, no, that's, it's so true, it's so very true. I see, in all areas of the work that I do, I see these patterns repeated over and over again. They're generational patterns and generational trauma and it's carried on and carried on. And even when it's something that an adult child recognizes in a parent and says, no, I absolutely do not want to do that, I don't want to, it wasn't good for me and I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:
But when they get into a stressful situation, that is the behavior they will go to, because it is the behavior that they know and it does feel safe. As crazy as that sounds, it does feel safe. And so it's the behavior that they're going to do and they're going to repeat those patterns. And that's how we carry on generational patterns. And what you're talking about is helping someone break that generational pattern before they have that child in their arms, so that there's an awareness of it. There's an awareness of why that's her value, how she values herself based on what she does for other people, because that's a learned behavior from a parent and probably even more than one generation back, more than likely. That's just how that came through that whole family line, and being able to change. That is really a beautiful thing, having an awareness of it and not making those choices, making different choices with your own child, and not beating yourself up when you fall back in old patterns of behavior because you're going to.
Speaker 2:
Right, it's a parallel processing too. Even when you have it, it's ongoing. With being at it, it's still. It's not like gosh. I did this for 20 years and might as well just go and get a drink and live with the consequences. No, because they're still in your field. They're still going with you. And one of the pieces that I noticed in my own experience with I talk about self-acceptance and you can't. If you accept the perfection of yourself, then you're screwed because you got to accept the perfection of everyone, including this kid who's making these choices that seem so horrible for them and for you.
Speaker 2:
All right, how do you actually and this isn't something that gets worked out in a lab, this is something that gets worked out in life what I found more and I'm more consistent and it's more organic right now with my daughter is that I do accept the perfection of who she is and I hold her responsible for the consequences of her perfection, that is. I think that's where the freedom and where the responsibility lies. Okay, you're perfect to just keep creating one traumatic mess out of it. Like you like drama and dragging other people in your drama, and then there's that's perfect, that's who you are. And guess what you got to make it right, whatever that is.
Speaker 2:
So being perfect, the perfect expression of God, doesn't mean that you don't have to, like I said, take responsibility, because that's where the otherwise, it's a license to do whatever the hell you want. But I think I become more with that woman myself. I can't do that with her if I wasn't doing it with myself, if I wasn't loving the part of myself that's making a mess and cleaning up the messes that the loving part of myself makes.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, no, I think that's a really important point, especially when you talk about your daughter. It's very important for us as parents, as humans, as professionals, it's important, but it's really important when you're dealing with a kid who has some challenges, to really recognize and understand that and I love how you have always talked about her journey is perfect. She is absolute perfection, just as she is, because it allowed you to shift and let go of those expectations that you had that were not realistic and allowed you to be in a different space with your daughter. But, boy, is that an important piece of that puzzle that she is responsible for the consequences of that perfection? Because it's true, that's 100% true. Whatever happens, through whatever experience she has, the choices that she makes are her choices. They're not your choices, they're her choices, and so, whatever happens, on the other side of that, when you say consequences, a lot of people jump to just negative, but there are positive consequences too. They're just results. They're the results of choices and behaviors that people have. So there can be really beautiful consequences as well as some challenging and difficult consequences, and both of those things lie with her, not with you, and I think that's a really important point.
Speaker 1:
We don't have to change our kids. That's not our job to change our kids, especially when they reach that young adult place in life. We can give them all the coaching and the love and the challenges and all the things supports, outside resources, we can do everything we can to show them away, but it is not our job to change them. It is our job to accept where they are and do the best that we can to help them. But we must accept where they are and, by the same token, they must then accept that where they are is a result of a consequence of the choices that they're making in their lives every day, and whatever that is, it is. Parental love is unconditional. Parental support is not.
Speaker 2:
So I want to. I'm looking at the time and I know we both have hard stops to bottom the hour. There's some wisdom that I want you to do that I think you can really give to people I'm going to ask you for right now, and that is that it's easy to say, oh, angie, she's been doing 30 years in work with kids and she's a shaman and she's someone that has access to all these kind of multidimensional wisdom. Can I call it Just really oh, you're a woman of the hills, you got the just Earth smarts as well as this divine stuff, and it's easy to think, oh, that's Angie, but that's not me. And I'm wondering what you can tell parents about how to be receptive to all the.
Speaker 2:
I don't even know what I'm asking, but I think maybe you can like how can just us normal people have access to all of this wisdom that's coming to us because the universe loves us and loves our kids.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely no. It's a good question. It's a good non-question. I don't have all of this because I am some kind of special or gifted person. That's not what it is. It's the experience that got me here, and when I was able to take off my own blinders in my life, that's when tremendous wisdom came in.
Speaker 1:
Taking off my own blinders was stepping out of every story that I was telling myself about myself, or every story that I was telling the world about myself, taking off every mask that I put on, mask of whatever my job was at the time, or whatever parent parenting stage I was in, or whatever wife stage I was in, or what it taking them all off and really being vulnerable. And to be able to do that, there has to be a level of self-acceptance, that piece that you were talking about. We have to be in a place of complete self-acceptance, and that doesn't mean that I like myself every day or like everything about myself. That's not what I mean. That's a very literal perception of that process. This is a higher perception of that process of really accepting that my journey is perfect, that I am in the body I'm supposed to be in, I'm in the place that I'm supposed to be in and I don't need to change it or wait for something else to happen to do something. I need to be fully present in the moment that I'm in every moment of every day, fully present in the person that I am and the body that I am and the family that I am, fully present in it.
Speaker 1:
When you take off the blinders and those blinders are things like all of the labels that society or social media or whatever external force out there puts on us those are labels that get tagged on us. When I say take off the blinders, I take off those labels. Stop feeling, thinking, pretending that you have to be a certain way. Just be when you can just be. That's when the wisdom can drop in. That's when you can begin to see things from a different perspective, from many different perspectives.
Speaker 1:
The other thing that I think is really important is listen more than you talk. There's no need to talk and talk and try to over explain things or explain anything. Or when we do that, we're doing it because we don't know, and when we're quiet, that's when we know. Take the blinders off, drop the masks, quit telling the stories and just allow, just be in that space of who you are. Be in that perfection of who you are as a human on this planet at this time. Be in that perfection and when you are and you truly surrender to that, then that's when the wisdom drops in. That's when the big knowing can happen.
Speaker 2:
That's beautiful because there's I'm just turning the drill on that a little bit is that there's so much wisdom that I see in every people, but especially my clients, come up with stuff and I realize I gave them permission to be smart they didn't get or to allow other dimensional stuff to come in, mm-hmm, and all I did was give them permission. But it's there and we don't give ourselves permission and I was saying let's just play off of what you said, angie. Give yourself permission to let it come in and don't make it go through the filter of I have to understand it. If you're putting the precondition that I need to understand it before I let it in, then that which is beyond understanding will not be able to find its way to you and it'll make sense later on, but it's not going to make sense. There's a bumper sticker in there somewhere.
Speaker 1:
There is in a t-shirt. That was good, that's true. That was true. Gosh, david, it's good to be back. It's good to be having this volley back and forth with you.
Speaker 2:
I want to Keith. Thanks a lot, man. I think you'll like this too. Get the you know and edit it. We'll get this and we'll start to guess that. But I want to welcome everybody back again and remind you of the resources that we are, and I'll speak for both of us so that Angie can talk about how great I am, like, how much she is. But anyway, she's just the fact that I have she's a phone call away from me and I don't know where she, how, the, what her response rate is, how do you? But just to be able to know that there's someone like Angie in your life who can, yeah, just bring everything that she is in her humanity and her realness and also her genius to do, is just such a gift. So I just want you on this planet. Julie wants another 30 years out of me. I'm sure that the world wants another 50 more out of you.
Speaker 1:
And I just I'll echo that same thing about you, dave. I just think people who don't know you, getting to know you is a gift, and being able to bring a thorn to you and allow you to pull it out of a paw, to be able to surrender to that process, I think would be just an incredible gift for anyone who's in that space. If you keep, you think you're stepping on that same thorn over and over again. Dave's, your guy, reach out, we're here, we're happy to help you guys, and we'll be back real soon with our first guest and we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:
All right, this has been so much fun, thanks to you and thanks to everyone who's listening and watching. Yeah,