A Call To Leadership

EP284: Blessed are Those Who Mourn with Joe Thompson and Travis Revelle

• Dr. Nate Salah

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Real strength begins where comfort and control end. In this episode, we explore how mourning, empathy, and emotional maturity are not weaknesses but keys to resilient leadership. Through honest conversations, we uncover how comfort, compassion, and vulnerability can reshape how we lead in business, family, and life. Tune in to discover why embracing discomfort might be the most powerful leadership decision you make.

Key Takeaways To Listen For

  • Why mourning is a leadership strength, not a weakness
  • How empathy can transform your business and team culture
  • What it means to “comfort first” in relationships and leadership
  • Why vulnerability builds trust and depth within organizations
  • The critical connection between margin, presence, and compassionate leadership


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[00:00:00] Joe Thompson
If you ever wanna move anything forward with someone who is either adversarial or like they're just having a terrible time in their life, if you wanna move them forward to success, you have to comfort 'em first. Like they have to feel comforted, and that's what creates the depth of a company. 

[00:00:20] Dr. Nate Salah
What if the key to powerful leadership starts with a broken heart? In this episode of A Call to Leadership, I'm joined by my dear friend. And fellow leaders, Travis Rebell and Joe Thompson. As we unpack one of the most misunderstood teachings of Jesus, for those of us who are in business, blessed are those who mourn. It's not about sadness. It's about the kind of mourning that doesn't paralyze us, but propels us to a deeper compassion, shared clarity, and uncommon strength. As business leaders together, we're going to explore what it means to lead with a heart that feels. Feels the weight of responsibility, the pain of others, and the cost of care. You'll hear real stories where mourning birthed mercy, where grief became fuel for grace, and how holy sorrow can shape our leadership. Because in a world where pressure is often mistaken for power, we believe it's the tender-hearted leader who transforms the room. So wherever you are in your office, in your car, or in the tension between success and sur. Render lean in. This one's for the leaders who are not afraid to feel and love radically because of it.

[00:01:39] Travis Revelle
Hello fellas. Good morning. Good morning, mate. 

[00:01:41] Joe Thompson
Morning, Travis 

[00:01:42] Dr. Nate Salah
This morning. It's good to see both of you. It's good to have our, our listener, our viewer with us today when they see the progression of topics that we're talking about. All these blessings that Jesus is talking about, you say. It is an interesting conversation. It's not something that you normally would hear on a leadership podcast about business, family, and life, but it's so relevant when we break it down and apply it to our business lives and everything else. Who, who we are as entrepreneurs, right? And today's topic, no less of a barn burner in, in the world of business. Life. Then Jesus's second. Second, beatitude. Second clue, if you will, in this journey of what it means to be blessed. Before we bring it up though, it's important to just step back a second and explain why we're even talking about these things just unfolding, if you will, of Jesus' early ministry. And he starts with this word blessed. Blessed are, and it's like, okay guys, if we're gonna be. Kingdom-minded in how we do business. We should pay attention to what Jesus says and what it means for us because those clues unlock massive ability to lead worthily, and that's really what we want. Right? So this idea of be bl blessed are, it's this word precarious.

[00:03:08]
 We've been, we've been talking about a lot in our community and you know, GG three, it's like, it's just a word we throw around now it's kind of cool where you can throw Greek words around, right? But it means that you have a life joy that's not dependent on external circumstances, that it can't be extinguished, can't be taken away. It can't be stolen from you. Not that you don't care about what's happening around the world, not like you're numb. It's just that you're centered, you're focused, and you're indestructible. Wouldn't you wanna follow somebody like that? Absolutely. Wouldn't you wanna follow somebody like that? For sure. I would. So he goes through these eight steps, if you will, right? I'm gonna show you how to live it, not just, I'm not gonna just make a claim. I'm gonna show you step by step ways for you to experience this so that when you do lead, you won't be defeated, you won't be broken, you'll be strong, resilient, courageous.

[00:04:05] Joe Thompson
He takes all. Would normally feel like negative connotations. Yeah. And he just flips 'em, flips 'em around on you. 

[00:04:13] Dr. Nate Salah
So the second one, blessed are those who mourn for, they will be comforted in that arena wherever he was, you know, preaching and sharing. And I guarantee you there were some people who were struggling with some major issues in life, right? They were mourning having some, some challenges and. They're like, okay, I don't feel very blessed right now. Right. And I think it's important for us to understand what he means by that in the original context. So here's, here's, I'm gonna, I'm gonna share a little bit of this and I want you to, I want you to just listen the original language, this idea of mourning, M-O-U-R-N. Is to grieve deeply, especially over loss or, or sin. Mourning is not just personal sorrow, friends, it's the brokenness in the world and the distance between God's kingdom and earthly reality. It's pretty strong. Very, and it applies. It applies for us as leaders. It applies for us in our business world, in our families, in. I'd like to break that down with you when you hear mourning. Okay. This, this, not just personal sorrow, but a connection with that. What are some of the first things that come to your mind? 

[00:05:37] Travis Revelle
Empathy. Mm-hmm. Having empathy. Right. And I think you can, you can look at it in, in each of the four categories, right? Like empathy for. Let's take it from a leadership standpoint, right? Like empathy for your team, empathy for your, your, your customer, your end user, and how do you translate that into action, right? How do you make something better for those individuals that you serve as a leader? Yeah, Joe. so when I think of mourn mm-hmm.

[00:06:05] Joe Thompson
I immediately think of the heritage and that, that I come from where, um. I don't know if you've ever been to an Italian funeral, but there is a lot of crying and mm-hmm. Wailing and verbose mourning. That's why immediately when we started on this, I said, it's gonna feel like a heavy subject to me. 'cause that's most of the exposure that I've had to it. It is lost, you know, not being able to overcome a feeling of loss. 

[00:06:35] Dr. Nate Salah
Yeah. Empathy is a, it's an interesting aspect of life and business and how Jesus is calling us to, share, in the struggles and the grief that others experience. He clearly, that was a main focus of his journey and that was one of the reasons why he was so attractive, because people felt seen, they felt heard, and they had never felt that way before from other air quotes, religious leaders, right. Teachers, I. In fact, they felt from others, they felt, as though they should be ashamed, outcast. And he, he flipped a script on that. He said, you know, no, I care and here's what I'm gonna do about it. And for us as leaders, that is, it's such an important piece. You know, the first week we talked about what it means to walk and surrender to God and surrender in a way into our family.

[00:07:33]
 Our business partners, our team members, things like that, right? And saying, Hey, look, you're not my enemy. You're my friend, right? That's step one. Acknowledge, Hey, we're all in this together. And then step two, let's just take a moment in these days that are just moving, you know, we're all busy eyes, things are moving so fast. Just stop. Just stop and say, I know you're not in a great spot right now. I think about it with customers, clients, right? One of the ways I've found to be really connected with my client is to like, no, like you're going through it. This is not the place you want to be, and I want to help you. I desire to help you because I feel your pain. In fact, that happens in, you know, politicians. You ever notice politicians if they use that kinda language and they mean it, more people bind around them. Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:28] Travis Revelle
Look, I think if you wanna be a successful leader or you wanna be successful in sales, you have to have empathy. You have to be able to put yourself in, whether you're, if you're selling something, you have to put yourself in your customer's shoes and understand what pain they feel you need to understand and be able to feel it. And then provide a solution for that. That is the best way to sell anybody anything, right? Because you're providing value to that person. You're helping them fix a problem. If you're listening to this and you're, you're in sales, or you wanna be in sales, empathy I think is, is, is one of the top. Skill sets you can have, right? From a personality standpoint, if you're a leader of an organization, having empathy and being able to understand the pain points that your, that your team are going through, acknowledging it, right? Because I think a lot of leaders don't acknowledge that something bad is happening, right? They wanna gloss over it.

[00:09:25]
 They want you to look at the shiny object that they're gonna put out there, right? But if you have a real conversation with your team and you are vulnerable enough to say, look, I know this isn't working right. Let's figure out a way to make it work together. You're gonna get so much buy-in from your team, and they're going to follow you, and you're gonna be one of those leaders that they remember, right? People don't leave leaders like that. They don't leave leaders who have empathy and try to help, even if you can't fix the scenario, but you just acknowledge it and you say, I understand it. Let's try and you put an effort towards it. I think on the surface when you read this, I. Very few people would say, you know, blessed are those who mourn, have anything to do in the business world. Right? You would never put those two concepts together.

[00:10:19] Dr. Nate Salah
Not the terminology for sure. 

[00:10:21] Travis Revelle
No. But when you really look at it, this is showing you how to be a leader. It's showing you how to drive business sales. You're, you're in a service industry, right? If you're in a service industry, you have to have empathy, right? If you're creating a product, you have to have empathy, right? Like I think, I think this is, this is enlightening on a whole different level, on being strategic off something that on the surface absolutely has nothing to do with business. 

[00:10:55] Dr. Nate Salah
Amen. The follow up with that for they will be comforted. This is a promise, right? Jesus is first. Jesus models it. He models it for us to receive it, and then to turn around and model it to others. And one key point about the sales piece, sales is generally adversarial, right? Because you're trying to take something from me, my time and my money, right? Two things. So I don't know if there's enough a value proposition for that, because maybe it's just about your quota. Maybe it's just about whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish for you. But when you start, begin with, yeah, you know what, I do have those needs, right? I, I need to, to have a certain threshold met to keep my job or to pay my, my bills. But maybe if I don't make that my posture and my starting point, maybe if I make my posture and my starting point, look, I care.

[00:11:52]
To genuinely, sincerely, this is the difference, right? These are the game changing difference on, on who gets who, who gets that? Not only the buy, I had a mortgage company for 10 years and I had loan officers who would, you know, charge like an insane amount of money in terms of like how much on the front end of, of, of a deal. I'm like, you're never gonna see that person again. Like, I don't care. I'm like, really? Well, you're probably not gonna be in this business very long, right? Right, and it's like start with the care. Start with the empathy. Start with I know that you're hurting and I understand and that means something to me and I want to do something about it. Now, whether or not you do business with me, this is, the game changer is not as relevant to me as it is that I help you if I can to find your solution. 

[00:12:47] Travis Revelle
Because you immediately disarm them. 

[00:12:50] Dr. Nate Salah
Your goal from adversary to ally. 

[00:12:51] Travis Revelle
You, you, you immediately disarm them. 

[00:12:53] Dr. Nate Salah
But, here's the caveat. Sincere and genuine. 'cause people can see mm-hmm. Through a sales pitch or a script that's just canned. 

[00:13:00] Travis Revelle
Well, especially in, in a sales pitch or, even in negotiation, right? Because it's, the defenses are already up, right? So your, your spidey senses are, are heightened. But if you, if you go into a negotiation and you, you have this. Which is the exact opposite of what you see portrayed, right? Like in any negotiation, it's always right, like mm-hmm I'm not gonna break. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna break. And so if you think about it, you're the person you're going in that negotiation with is coming in with that attitude, right? And if you come in with the exact opposite. Now you've thrown them completely off their game, a number one. Right? Because now they don't know how to react to that scenario. But two, you know, I always say any good deal, both people have to leave thinking they left something on the table. You know, you have to have empathy for these other people that you're doing business with because you can't sell your soul for business.

[00:13:59] Joe Thompson
You know, we much like how the meaning of these beatitudes change when we. When we get in deep with them, a lot of things that you've heard in business and how to do business is wrong. 

[00:14:12] Travis Revelle
Absolutely. 

[00:14:13] Joe Thompson
And when you throw everybody in the same arena and they're all playing by the same rules and everyone's doing it the wrong way, then it seems like, oh, well that's the way it needs to be done. Right? Mm-hmm. Change the meaning of what you're supposed to be doing when you're there and you show empathy to a customer, to a coworker, or someone who, you manage or whatever. It changes the, the arena now is different, right? So you're still coming with your sword and, you know, I got a whole different set of empathy, and much like this changed the way people looked at what being mournful was. It will change the way we look at business going forward if we can show people, hey, there is success in doing this, you know, doing it this new way. Mm-hmm. So, you know, if you ever wanna move anything forward. With someone who is, you know, either adversarial, like Nate was talking about, or like they're just having a terrible time in their life.

[00:15:22]
 If you wanna move them forward to success, you have to comfort them first. Mm-hmm. Like, they have to feel comforted. And that's what creates the depth of a company. Like, if I just beat you down over something, you're just floating on the surface of the company as soon as you find something else. You're probably gonna jump ship.

[00:15:44] Joe Thompson
Yeah. But every time I offer you understanding or grace or compassion or comfort that deepens your relationship with the company, it makes you, you're not just an employee of the company, and now you're immersed into the culture of what the company is. So comforting first is not always what you see in business, but again, we gotta change the rules.

[00:16:06] Travis Revelle
Well, 'cause I think, I think a lot of people equate comforting somebody with weakness. Right, and what takes more strength, right? To just beat somebody over the head, be like, do it my way because I said it. Or to really truly take the time to understand how that, what that person is going through, what's happening, how to help them. What is a stronger individual, right? Like I would say it's a much stronger individual who can take the time and actually cares about the individual rather than somebody who just takes the easy way out and who is weak and who just. Either uses a title or a threat, right? Or whatever it is that they're using the stick instead of the carrot, you know, to lead somebody.

[00:16:50]
 Real strength comes in like, look, if, if you're a father, right? If you're a parent, right? Like those parents that are out there, right? The strength. When your child is having a meltdown, right? Like sitting with them, understanding, calming them down and not just saying, you're gonna do it because I said you were gonna do it. Right? Yeah. Like, or if you keep crying, I'm gonna give you something to cry about. Right. Like, I think probably a lot of how our parents raised us, right? Like the real strength comes in with. Acknowledging like, oh, this is, this is real. You are, what you're feeling is real. You know, how do we, how do we move through this? How do we get through this? How do you fix the situation and not just put a bandaid on the situation? That takes real strength. 

[00:17:33] Dr. Nate Salah
It does. Yeah. I, I was gonna say the same thing regarding the weakness piece. I'm glad you brought that up, and it gets me to think about the easy route is to not do this, right. The easy route is to just keep everything, air quotes again, professional. Emotional creatures. I mean, why are we okay in a business setting or any setting with emotions of joy when you, you know, get a new contract or you meet a new quota or you, you know, open a new location, but it's not okay to share in the emotions of sadness or frustration if things aren't going the way that you anticipated them. Right? And coupling that with our own vulnerability as leaders. Because I think part of the flip side of that, the flip side argument is, well, if I open myself up to mourning and walking in this sense of brokenness and heartfelt. Connection. I'm going to have an organization full of cry, babies, whiners, and people who see me as ineffective at standing up and being strong. And again, that is, it's a false narrative, antithesis, it's false narrative. Right. It's, it's, it's a narrative though, that's prominent. It's a prominent narrative, but it's a false narrative because as you said. Vulnerability is the true pathway to courageous strength because then it says, Hey look, you know, we're not, obviously there's appropriateness for everything, right?

[00:19:09]
 However, I'm not gonna discount that you're a human being. Mm-hmm. Right? And we're not machines. And it's okay to have a moment. And for us also, by the way, you know, I was watching a program the other night. It's it's like Lord of the Lord of the Rings, series. And a lot of people don't like it long and short. But I was, there was one epi episode. There was one scene in one of the episodes where one of the characters, some of his troops had died. I. He was going through the, the funeral ritual and the closeup on him was with some tears. a very strong character. And you think, you know, why is that important for the screenwriters and the directors and everyone, for us to experience that? Why, why is that? 'cause he's mourning over the loss of something very important. He is doing it publicly and that is precious strength. That we as human beings desire to see more of in our leadership. Mm-hmm. It's okay. Not only is it okay, but it opens the doors is to say, you are in a way comforting me through your own grief for shared sorrow.

[00:20:23]
 And that's a game changer in business. It's a game changer in our families. Yep. You know, move over to, to the family realm, acknowledging. And creating space for emotions in our families, whether it's with our children, which with our spouse, our, our, our, our siblings, our parents, comforting with our presence, not just answers. Sometimes you guys know this. We've all been in the marriage realm for a long time and we're fix it guys too. 

[00:20:59] Travis Revelle
Mm-hmm. Right, right. Some things you can't fix, can't fix. 

[00:21:02] Joe Thompson
Sometimes, even if you can fix it, it's not what they're looking for. I just wanted to tell you that. I just wanted to get it. 

[00:21:08] Travis Revelle
So I always, off of my soul, I always do this thing and it's, it's, do you want comfort or solutions? Give options. What, what, what, what, what are you looking for? Comfort or solutions? Because if you don't Right, like what I have found with people, and it's not just, it's not just my wife, it's, it's people that are close to me is. I am a fix it guy. Yeah. Right. And I'm a pusher, right. I will push you to be the best, whether you wanna be the best or not, like I am going to try to get you to, to do that. And so what I have found is there's been times in my life that like I have completely misread a situation and somebody is just looking for comfort and I'm throwing all kinds of solutions and plans at them, and they're not mentally at that spot yet to be able to process. They're still in the mourning stage of whatever it is that they're going through.

[00:22:00]
 And so do you want comfort or solutions? Because I can provide either one, but I can't read your brain. You know what I mean? Like I, I, I need you to tell me which way to take this. Hmm. And I think that even that is applicable to this when we were talking about business, right? Like. If I have an employee that is, that is really upset, like I will say that, do you want comfort or solutions? Like do you wanna just talk about it? Like we can talk about it and I can be your sounding board. If you want solutions, I can help you kind of work through it, but I'm not going to push myself onto you. 

[00:22:29] Joe Thompson
I think there's some self-regulating emotion, and I want to explain this because I don't wanna, I don't wanna sound like, you know, you're a robot, but on my personal be holy journey, right. For me it wasn't about not feeling a certain emotion. It was about recognizing it and then putting it in the place that it should be put. It's easy like when an employee messes up to like yell at them because you're probably, the first emotion you might feel is anger or disappointment or you know, idiot, which was one of my favorites back in the day. It won't show up on a great summit or G three shirt. So, you know. It's okay to feel that in the beginning. but I've noticed like on my be Holy journey that I allow myself to feel that, and then I just move it over to the side and I keep on the path of, you know, being empathetic. Comforting people being there for someone. And you know, there are people that will try to take advantage of that, right? Mm-hmm. So you gotta be aware of that, but I see it more as a strength now than ever before. Mm-hmm. You know, being patient with people and not steamrolling over them. 

[00:23:55] Dr. Nate Salah
It's an important point you make about empathy for, especially for those of us who have put empathy in a box. Because we did grow up with like, just be a strong, you know, be strong, be strong, be strong. I remember when I was 12, my, my stepdad's like, okay, it's time to stop crying. I mean, it's, you know, that stuff that, that, you know, we're done with that stuff. I go, oh, oh, okay. Okay. Right. Yeah. I mean, like you guys said, I mean, it's generationally that was kind of the thing back then, right? Every generation has, its, you know, its thing, not everyone, of course, but that was our situation and I. I didn't have empathy like I grew up and then it was compartmentalized and people would say, oh, you're not very empathetic. You're not very empathetic. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm not, you're right. And then I realized after I got married, and it took me a long time to realize, actually even just like maybe weeks ago, I realized you're actually very empathetic.

[00:24:48]
 You have just created defense mechanisms. Mm-hmm. To shield yourself from pain. Because of that, the empathy didn't go away, it's just. Locked up. Yeah. So unlock it. Unlock it in appropriate ways. And I think it starts with our relationship with God. You know, let you know that the safety of that relationship allow us to become brave with all others. Mm-hmm. 

[00:25:16] Joe Thompson
As it pours out, I think any emotion is like a muscle. The more you, it becomes. So try. Emotions that don't follow the path that we're on, to atrophy. Mm-hmm. You know, and not that you don't recognize 'em, you just don't use them anymore. And, I think there comes a time where all of a sudden, like you don't feel that anger emotion right off the bat. It's not the one that starts that you have to recognize and move over. You immediately feel the empathetic emotion. And, I was a manager for a long time with, with lots of people, and every scenario that you can possibly think of has, has come up. Mm-hmm. Like there's a, there's a phone call, there's childcare problems and boyfriend problems. And, you know, any problem you can think of came up. And I think my success in management was that I, that I usually am very empathetic for people, but where I failed is I didn't show enough empathy for people who created their own problems. Mm-hmm. Right. And. Now, I know that sometimes people create their own problems because of their own internal workings, you know, the way they grew up their mental state. So there is a huge level of emotional and spiritual maturity that you need to not only recognize why people do the things that they do, but to lead with that, that empathy first. 

[00:26:53] Dr. Nate Salah
Hundred percent. In fact, to that point, I always go back to. The ninth chapter of Matthew when Jesus sees these crowds and the trip scripture says, Jesus saw the crowds and they were helpless and harassed. And then the very next phrase is, he had compassion on them. It wasn't, he was. Calling 'em idiots. It wasn't he was condemning them or saying you should have done something differently. Differently. They were helpless because they didn't have what they needed. They were harassed because of all of the, the context around them was pushing in and, and keeping them from living fully living in this MCC carious, the spiritual flourishing. And then the next step is compassion. And then the very next verse is. The harvest is plenty, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest to send more workers. In other words, Jesus is saying he wants us to share in his compassion for those who need to be comforted. 

[00:27:58] Joe Thompson
What I love about what happens at Great Summit is how it compares to, you know, the journey that people went on, you know, to find their. Their rabbi or to find a place where they belonged. People weren't scared back then about like being hooked into a religion and having to stay in it. If they found something that made sense to them, they would go on a journey of trying to understand that. And I think sometimes with religion, we get so involved in the religion, we forget about the journey that we should always be on to know Christ better. Right. We allow that, that journey to take place with, you know, without any kind of, guilt. Or am I doing the wrong thing? Because, you know, I'm, I've always been taught this way, and now I'm looking at it this way. But like we had said before the, the podcast started like, this has always been the, this Jesus. Mm-hmm. Like this has always been this gu,y and this is the guy we wanna follow. Right. What he was saying and what he was doin,g and why he was, it's a huge game changer for your life. Oh yeah. It just, well, and it ties right in. 

[00:29:13] Dr. Nate Salah
Yeah. It ties into the, to our model. Right. G three grow purposefully. He's teaching us through growing. This is, and this is part of the podcast. Mm-hmm. Right? The podcast is that. A lot. A lot. You know, we want our listener, we want you to grow purposefully and then to give generously. Right. 'cause comforting sometimes. Doesn't have an immediate reward. There's not like, oh, I'm gonna have X, Y, and Z happen today. Right? But there's massive ROI on it, right? Because blessed is the generous giver the Bible says, right? And it's just in different ways. So we're not saying, oh, you know, it's gonna multiply 10 x or 15 x or whatever. It's oftentimes intangible, but then it becomes tangible because I can tell you, this will come full circle to the business world. You wanna have stickiness, you wanna have people who are going to give above and beyond be fully committed, not just combative. You've got combative people in your companies, you've got compliant people, right? You've got those two levels, but then you've got committed people. You know what? You know what the highest level of commitment you're gonna get is when you have the highest level of commitment to them. Mm-hmm. Period. I know it sounds like super simple, but. execute that.

[00:30:26] Travis Revelle
Well, and I think people get, get mixed up when they hear the, the give part. It's not about giving money, right? Like it's, it could be, but it's not necessarily, it's not necessarily. Right. It's giving your skills, your talent mm-hmm. Right. Your heart, whatever it is. Right. And so in this, in this instance, it's, it's giving your empathy, it's understanding, and at least putting yourself in that person's shoes, right. To understand what they're going through, and then trying to fix the problem and help them. Yeah. That's it. 

[00:30:53] Dr. Nate Salah
Yeah. And that's really our third G, right? Go love radically. So this idea is, hey, and by the way, it's, it's also a system. We're gonna talk all about that and other fu future episodes. But you know, it starts with love, at least the way Paul, I love the way Paul. Says, love, pillars of love, patience, and kindness. Right. Okay. Wow. All right. Patient enough to listen to somebody when they're in a spot, even though you've got, you know, KPIs to hit and all this other stuff, it's like, I'm gonna do that and why I'm gonna do that because I've created enough margin as a leader. This is up to us as leaders to create enough margin and space. To have empathy. Yep. Right. Because if we're not, guess what? We're doing a disservice to everyone who we lead and we are then less worthy to lead. I'm guilty as charged. I've, I've had li a life that's been super thin on margins and I've been working on redesigning my entire calendar as if God himself.

[00:31:52]
 Set my calendar up. That's a game changer too. Now, granted, I sometimes go in and I'm like, Hey, he is not looking. I'm gonna, I'm gonna fix him. And Jesus, of course, he's looking at the end of it all. You know, we desire, we desire to spiritually flourish, right? This is what Jesus is saying, this is what I desire for you. This is what I mean, how I'm, I'm, I'm redefining vicarious. I'm redefining blessing for spiritual flourishing, for divine favor, for the joy of God's presence, even in. Through the suffering that we face and we get to share and walking with others and their suffering, whether it's a customer, whether it's an employee, whether it's a spouse, whether it's a friend, whether it's a member of our community, whether it's somebody just on the, on the street with a sign and say, I'll walk with you.

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 And sometimes what does Jesus say? If someone says, walk with me a mile? What does he say? Walk. Mm-hmm. It's good guys. Thanks for having us here in this wonderful experience as always. And next week. Or the next time we meet, blessed are the meek. Wow. I can't wait to hear your opinions on that. Thanks guys. Thanks, Joe. Thanks so much. Well, my friend, we did it again. I'm so glad you joined me on this episode of A A Call to Leadership If you've been with me. On the show listening in, you'll know this, but if you're new, you may not know that I created a free course for you, that you don't need to provide an email address. You don't need to go anywhere. But to stay right here in the podcast, I created the very first six episodes of the podcast because I wanted you to have the kind of value that you need to take advantage of to thrive as a leader. So we haven't done that yet. Listen to episodes one through six, and I'll see you on the next episode. I'm Dr. Nate Salah, and this is A Call to Leadership.





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