A Call To Leadership

EP294: Our Obedience, God's Outcomes with Ms. Heather Fatzinger

• Dr. Nate Salah

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Is control holding you back as a leader? In this episode, we explore how surrendering to God’s authority and embracing delegation can unlock freedom, growth, and lasting impact. Heather Fatzinger shares practical wisdom on leading with grace and courage. Tune in and discover a new perspective on leadership.

Key Takeaways To Listen For

  • What leadership really looks like beyond wearing all the hats
  • How grace transforms mistakes into growth opportunities
  • The false perception of control that blocks blessings
  • Prayer as the first step, not the last
  • The freedom of obedience compared to the burden of outcomes


About Heather Fatzinger
Heather is a life and leadership coach who helps women move beyond achievement into real happiness. After building a life of success in academics, business, motherhood, and community service, she found herself still asking, “Why do I feel like something is missing?” That question led her into a journey of self-discovery, learning the deeper truths about emotions, meaning, and femininity. Today, she guides women to release control, embrace grace, and live with greater purpose and joy.


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[00:00:00] Dr. Nate Salah
Let the story be written in unison with God's guidance and your ink to pen the most beautiful and eloquent, and desirable story that God has in store for you. Hello, my friend, and welcome to this episode of A Call to Leadership. I'm Dr. Nate Salah your host. So glad you are here. Well, you can have the degrees, the accolades, the business, even the stage presence, and still feel empty. Success without surrender doesn't always equal. Joy and fulfillment can find its way into our lives when we shift from chasing outcomes to walking in Obedience. Boy, what a framework for today's conversation. I'm joined by Heather Inger, who is a coach, a speaker, and a co-founder of The W-I-C-E-R-S conference, Heather knows what it's like to check every box of worldly success and still come up short. But when she discovered the power of obedience, letting God write the story and define those results, everything changed. This conversation, friend, that you're about to listen in on, it's about letting go of the pressure to perform, reclaiming your joy in finding freedom in God's outcomes. Lean in. This one will speak straight to your heart. Heather, welcome to the show. 

[00:01:38] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Thank you. 

[00:01:38] Dr. Nate Salah
So good to have you today. Thank you. On this beautiful day. And so when we were talking before we hit record, we were having a little convo about releasing so that we could lead better. I think it's called, like I've heard it said, delegate to elevate or understand how to scale. I think as often, especially in faith circles and leaders, and non-faith circles business, we think, okay man, I gotta wear these hats. I gotta wear all the hats. 

[00:02:11] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, definitely. 

[00:02:13] Dr. Nate Salah
And, and that's really just not the, that's, that's not the really the model to lead. 

[00:02:17] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, right.

[00:02:19] Dr. Nate Salah
But we do anyway. Why do we do that, Heather? Why do we do that? 

[00:02:24] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
To be really honest, I think sometimes we get so bogged down in the day-to day of earthly responsibilities. You know, we kind of, we kind of forget that we are here for a bigger purpose, you know, and, and then I think it's really easy to get bogged down in the, which is why I think it's so important to kind of have some sort of practice where you stay grounded in, your relationship. With God, with your higher power because it's very easy to get caught up in the day, and the more you get. It's almost like exercising, like exercising wrong. Like when you, when you, you are not doing it in the right way and you're like, s strain of muscles that aren't supposed to be strained and those muscles grow. You have these big Popeye arms, these little baby legs. It's almost because you're not, you like it's supposed to be as a way to do it. Right. And I think we get kind of caught up in the day-to-day of operations and, and forget to lean into the magic of this blessing that we've been given for our businesses.

[00:03:28]
 And it's like, Hey, you don't have to do all that. You don't have to be all that, you don't have to do these things. It's, that's not how it was set up. Like you're, you're getting too into you, your humanness versus. What we're really made for. And it's, and I think it happens to all of us. It it really does. And it, and that's what, that's why it's so important to have people like our connector who, the person who connected us to be in our lives to say, Hey, hey, hey, wake up. You're tripping. That's, this is not how it's supposed to do. Wake up. 

[00:03:59] Dr. Nate Salah
Tripping. 

[00:04:00] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Tripping. 

[00:04:01] Dr. Nate Salah
That's right. Or Gen X? Nah. 

[00:04:04] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Right, you're jumping man.

[00:04:06] Dr. Nate Salah
Like what does that, what does that mean? My, you know, my, my, my Gen Z sounds like, what do you mean? Does that mean you actually fell? I mean, metaphorically, right? Metaphorically. So it's interesting you bring that up. 'cause if one of the first things that comes to mind for me in leadership is, okay, well there's sometimes it's about me as a leader, if I'm gonna be honest and if I think, well, if I turn this over. It's not gonna either get done right or, you know, I like getting credit. Let's just, you know, call it what it is. Right. 

[00:04:37] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Be honest. Yeah. 

[00:04:38] Dr. Nate Salah
And I go back to Jesus, you know, there's a lot of things he could have done better than the disciples. Mm-hmm. But he sent 'em out and he is like, okay, you do this, you do this, you do this. And he was preparing them for the future. That was ahead and there it is, like, oh, leadership is so much bigger. Than just us as the individual. It's so much bigger than you and I and to say, wow, what a blessing it is. To empower. And equip people to do great work. Now granted, there may be a time where the work isn't as high level as you would do. In other words, you know, even the disciples were like, Hey. We tried to do X, Y, and Z. We tried to, you know, heal this person or cast out these demons and, and like, we couldn't do it. And he's like, well, you gotta have more faith, or you gotta do it this way, or whatnot. What he, what does he, he knows that some things aren't gonna get done in the exact same way that he would've done them or that level, but he also knows that they're gonna come back to him and they're gonna say, Hey, we need more tools and resources. We need to understand how, and I think that's part of us, you know, I don't know about you, but. I tend to want things to be done to the maximum level of excellence. 

[00:05:57] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:05:58] Dr. Nate Salah
And there's this tug in that journey, right? Because you need, you want excellence also, not only in the people that you have working with you, you want excellence in how you shepherd them. And what does that mean? That means that they're not always gonna get it right, every single time. 

[00:06:17] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep, that's true. 

[00:06:20] Dr. Nate Salah
So there's grace there. 

[00:06:22] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. Yep. Definitely.

[00:06:25] Dr. Nate Salah
Grace on yourself too, by the way. 

[00:06:27] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Definitely Grace on yourself, 'cause I think about, you know, and our employees are not our children, right? But it's in a similar way of like pushing them out of the nest and kind of having, same way, having the kind of same faith of like, they've gotta learn. You're handicapping them if you don't put your, your staff in a position to grow and to learn and to make mistakes the same way I always tell my son, if you're not making any mistakes, then you're not learning. 

[00:06:57] Dr. Nate Salah
Like that's, and you're not trying hard enough. 

[00:06:58] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. You're not, you're definitely not trying hard enough. You're staying in that little safety zone of the stuff that you know how to do and know well, but that's not growth. That doesn't create growth. And so, you know, and, and then us as leaders. Being okay with like, like you said, knowing that if they're trying, if they're stepping outside of their comfort zone, there's a great likelihood that there're gonna be some mistakes. And then how do you, and how do you support them through that? How do you support them in a way that makes them feel like, okay, this is a safe space. This is a safe space for me to grow and I'm not gonna be, you know. Browbeat for, for trying something new or trying to be better, or trying to grow. And so that's really our re our response to those kind of missteps is so important. Also, like how, and let people know, Hey, I applaud you for trying something different. I applaud you for stepping out of your comfort zone. And now how? How will we do this differently next time? 

[00:07:56] Dr. Nate Salah
And it's, it, I think what we do thank you for that is we tend to look at the catastrophic side of it. Oh wow. Your mistake could lead us to X, Y, and Z. And so we tend, I at least I know, I've tended to think, oh my goodness, this could, end a, a business relationship or tarnish our brand or, or, or have, an adverse effect on. Revenue and how are we gonna pay the bills? I mean, the, you know, these are, these are real thoughts and real concerns along that way. And I think one of the ways we mitigate that, especially from the perspective of the faith journey, is the preparation piece. When we prepare people, it's a act of responsibility. It's an act of intentionality. It's an act of discernment to put people in a place where you're setting them up to thrive and succeed. Whether it is as an employee, whether it is one of your children, as you had mentioned, a family member, someone in community, whether it be someone in your faith community, or whether it be in a different area, and that preparation piece is an essential aspect of the journey, and with the mistakes. Within that create some, some margin for those mistakes to happen. And that margin then is a margin for exploration and discovery rather than chastisement and condemnation? Yeah, it's a complete flip of how we interpret and how we share. Because then people say, oh wow, I'm in a season of discovery. I'm in a season of exploration. When we were young, you remember this when you were in grade school, and you got to draw, and sometimes you drew outside the lines, and all these things were happening.

[00:09:41]
 You were doing so much discovery. Even, and I say this, I've said this on the show before, even with little babies, you know when they fall, when they're learning how to walk, they don't get chastised, right? You don't say, oh, little baby, you should have. What's up with that? You tripping. Allow that falling. You keep tripping. No. What do we do? We encourage them. Yeah. But we don't, we also, we don't have them practice on the edge of a cliff. 

[00:10:08] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Right. 

[00:10:08] Dr. Nate Salah
I dunno about you, but when my son was little, I was so, well, anytime we were at the mall and we were on the second floor, we weren't getting anywhere near that rail.

[00:10:16] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:10:17] Dr. Nate Salah
And if they, we were, I'm holding his hand tight, and he's on the inside and I'm on the outside. 

[00:10:21] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:10:22] Dr. Nate Salah
With the same construct leadership, know where the terrain is so treacherous that it could be catastrophic, and be a good shepherd. 

[00:10:33] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:10:33] Dr. Nate Salah
Within that, and when it's not, give him some room. Yep. 

[00:10:39] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
It's interesting that you say that. I was just having a conversation with another life coach, and we were talking about the fine line between because. The conversation started off where I was saying that, oh, I, I very often put myself in situations where I am just scared outta my mind about whatever it is that I'm gonna do, and I put myself in those situations intentionally to grow and to push myself. And she was saying, I get that. And kind of like you're saying now, it's like, but do you, does the good outweigh the bad, or does the bad outweigh the good? If you push yourself too far out there in a place where you're not safe, and there's too much damage. Maybe even too much collateral damage. Like, and, and I was like, well, I've never even thought about that. And it's like, yeah, it just like, where is the push too much? Where you're pushing too far and you're in a space that's unsafe. And I think that that goes back to what you're saying. It's like making sure that. Yes, we're, we're, as a leader, I'm pushing you to be better, but to also make sure that it's realistic and something that you can achieve, and you're not gonna destroy yourself in the process.

[00:11:49] Dr. Nate Salah
Correct? Yes. And it's up to us to be wise as leaders in whatever, whatever capacity we're in, whether it's in our business or in our personal lives, or whatnot. And it reminds me when I was little, my mom, single mom, and I wanted attention. She worked a lot, and so I was doing whatever I could to get attention. One time, I told her I was moving out. I was seven years old, and I, I was moving ou,t and I packed a suitcase. I got out the front door, and we had a sliding glass door to the little patio that you could see from the street, and I, I walked across the street to the halfway line where the light was. And I looked across the street and I saw my mom in the house or apartment and sitting on the sofa, not even looking out. Yeah. And I'm like, isn't she worried about me? Doesn't she care? Why isn't she paying me any attention? And I, I ended up saying, well, I guess I'm not gonna get the attention that way. I'm gonna go back in. And I said, tell you that story. On surface level, you might say, oh my goodness, what a, you know, a delinquent parent who would let her 7-year-old son cross the street. However, my mother had walked me across that same street so many times to where I was looked. You remember, look right, look left, look right, look left, press the button, make sure no cars. I had done it, and I was extremely, even as a little child, I was really, focused on processes mm-hmm. And how things worked. And so she had already prepared me to cross that street. 

[00:13:32]
And she was allowing me to explore mm-hmm. And discover what would and would not work when I was seeking attention. And it's a beautiful thing when you see the tapestry of that in leadership. Because what it did later, Heather, it prepared me to have an attitude of exploration in the future. And if something didn't work. If that was okay, I'd try something else because that didn't work, clearly didn't work either. And I would do it later on too. Like I, I was a teenager and I, I blare music upstairs one time I was like, I don't know what it was. I was 15 and I, I, I opened the window. Mm-hmm. And I blared my music and I hid in the closet. I thought she'd come up, see the windows open. She's like, Oh my goodness, he ran away. I'm gonna get worried about him. You know, I sat in that closet for two hours. Nobody ever came up. 

[00:14:28] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
And I know she knew. Yeah, she knew. 

[00:14:33] Dr. Nate Salah
And that's the, you know, that's the beauty of allowing as a leader, these, these, these mistakes to manifest themselves and to have correction and have a conversation around it.

[00:14:46] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, and there's a healthy, beautiful way to inspire people to continue to give their best and for us to continue to release in a way, I think that is healthy for the organization, for the family, for the community, for our relationship, in a lot of ways. I think God does the same thing for us, you know?

[00:15:05] Dr. Nate Salah
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:07] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
I Agree. I agree. 

[00:15:08] Dr. Nate Salah
So in your world, mm-hmm. Let's talk a little, let's talk a little bit more about this idea of how we release. Mm-hmm. Release. All right, so your average entrepreneur, business owner person, let's just say, listen to this podcast. Has a lot of control. They want, they wanna control.

[00:15:33] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:15:33] Dr. Nate Salah
All right. In your world, how are you dealing with that? How is God speaking to you? Downloading right now on control? 

[00:15:42] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Oh, this is something God's been talking to me about for about a year now, about the misperception of control. Like, because at the end of the day. I really have zero control, like none. And this thing that this perception that I am controlling things is just, it's a falsehood and it's stressful. So what I do, what I've been doing is praying every day, praying every morning, just that, you know, God guides me to the things that I'm supposed to do, the things that I don't need to do, the things that I need to delegate and to really. Key in and hone in on what are my outcomes and what are my values, and just focus on that. Not focus on, I gotta make this happen, I gotta make it happen this way. This has to be the outcome and it has to happen this way. And you know, and, and I can control this, and I can control that. It's just show up. Do your best in faith. In love and trust that what is supposed to happen is going to happen and what message people are gonna get. My employees, my family, my community, just having faith that when I'm in control, or I think I'm in control, I am limiting everybody's blessings because my, my little control and my little way that I, if that's not even what has planned, what if, had something a hundred times more wonderful. Plan for me. But I'm so busy trying to exert this little false sense of control here on these situations. And I'm missing out on blessings and and missing out on blessings for other people. Blessings that were supposed to come through me to others through this false sense of control. So I try to remind myself of that every day, that God has something so much more amazing for me than I could ever consider.

[00:17:46] Dr. Nate Salah
That's powerful. Think about that is my grip, no matter how real weak my grip actually is, is it impeding? Does it limit, does it get between the blessings that God has in store for all of us together? Because I just can't seem to get out of the way and let God do his work in and through me. Wow. I mean just, you know, that like unpacking that is, . It's deep because you're right, and I've talked about on the show before, disillusion, right? Illusion of control and I think maybe it's a safety, you know, in some ways maybe it's a safety net for us, we think it's a safety net. Mm-hmm. I'm just walking through the thought process of your, of the depth of your comment right now, because, okay, well why is it that I would wanna retain control, safety, lack of trust. I've asked this question before in small groups when I've led our G three community, for leadership, our Christian leadership community. And if you know, God is outside of space and time, so you can see all of your, you know, everything you've done in life, right? And everything you are to do in life.

[00:18:58]
 So I can imagine that if you, if you were to imagine God having a bookshelf of everyone's books and, and then you know the book of Heather, right? It's got Heather written on the, the side of it. And in that book is your whole story. Like from the beginning when you were born, you took your first breath to the last breath on the side of heaven, and every chapter, every season, all of it. And imagine if you could have access to that book and you were in a season. Whether it be a season of trial or a season of triumph, or you wanted to just know what happened at the end of any given season, Heather, and you saw that book on the shelf, and you're like, Hmm, what should I do? Would you open the book? Would you read through? 

[00:19:51] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
No, you would not. I would not. 

[00:19:54] Dr. Nate Salah
Tell us why. 

[00:19:55] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, I would not, because I think just the same way that book is there, and it tells the beginning and it tells the end. I think it's there, and it's constantly still changing. Like I think if you pulled it out on a Tuesday, it's gonna be different than when you pull it out next Tuesday. Based on the choices I've made, the decisions I've made and that. That's like the beauty in the journey. The journey, the beauty is the unknowing, even though that's also the fear, that's also the super scary part. I mean, that's my whole life I've been, 'cause I'm, you know, my mom was a single mom. I'm an only child. My mom passed away about three years ago and, so it was very, something I've always kind of struggled with was like. Certainty, like needing certainty, needing security, needing to know that we're going to be okay. So needing to know. Needing to know, needing to know. And it hasn't been until I've become a mom myself, also single mom with an only child, learning to appreciate the fact that that's the beauty in the journey and how we learn. The not knowing. And that's, and that's our faith walk. That is our faith walk. Our faith walk is trusting that God is going to provide everything that I need. Like I know that, like we all know that, but we don't always trust it. We very often think that, oh, all of a sudden some, like today, God's taken off.

[00:21:24]
 No, he doesn't take off. He never takes off. God doesn't take off. It doesn't work like that. You know, God is always there. You, you take off. He doesn't take off. You take off. So just reminding myself of that, that walk, that journey and just like that, that I feel like that's where God intends us to see the beauty of the journey of life and just always being curious, just always being curious, okay, what's next? What do you have next for me? What am I supposed to learn? What beauty am I supposed to observe now? What beauty that was there yesterday that I just didn't take the time to observe, that I get to observe today? That, that journey, that's the beauty of life. I wouldn't wanna spoil that. 

[00:22:08] Dr. Nate Salah
Amen. Amen. I would say if I, I haven't, have I been asked this? I may, it may, may or may not have been asked the same question in reverse that me? We share in that desire for the adventure and the trust. If I had a book on my shelf, if you had a book on your shelf that had your whole life story. And you are able to take a look at it. Here's the thing about the story that I find fascinating is because if you can imagine, we are instruments of God and so as instruments of God, we are as you imagine, a, a pen in God's hand, right? Part of the problem is that we don't always trust the story that God is writing in and through us, so as a pen, we wanna jump right outta God's hand and rewrite that story. I would suggest that let the story be written in unison with God's guidance and your ink to pen the most beautiful and eloquent and desirable story that God has in store for you.

[00:23:17] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, that's beautiful. 

[00:23:19] Dr. Nate Salah
I mean, why not? 

[00:23:20] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Why not? That's right. Why not? 

[00:23:24] Dr. Nate Salah
And so in that, that means. Story. It's gonna have some twists and turns. Yeah. The story is going to have some cliffhangers. The story is gonna have plot twists. The story is going to have seasons where your character is going to be strengthened far beyond you ever thought possible. Yeah. It's a good story. Your story is a good story. Let it be written just like that. 

[00:23:51] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:23:52] Dr. Nate Salah
Now the question is. How often do we wake up every day? And imagine that I, you know, here's an interesting thing to do. Buy a book, nothing written in it, but your full name on the outside of that cover, and stick it on a shelf.

[00:24:09] Dr. Nate Salah
And as a reminder, that story has yet to be written. Yeah. The story has yet to be written. It's written together with God's provision. As you said, God always provides one way or another. Right. I always say. God's always answering prayer. It's either yes, no, or wait. Yep. Exactly. It's always a prayer answered. It just doesn't always answer the way we expected or we wanted it time. Yeah. And so I love how you open that up with you pray. Yeah. You pray. You know, I don't know if we do that enough. A lot of people consider prayer the last step in a process. Yeah. I think the first step. 

[00:24:46] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, the definitely the first step. 

[00:24:48] Dr. Nate Salah
And the last and the middle.

[00:24:49] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Exactly. Yeah, I agree. 

[00:24:54] Dr. Nate Salah
Do you find yourself, like, do you have a certain prayer time or do you, how do you, how do you normally do prayer? 

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[00:25:45] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
So now this is just me. So when I wake up in the morning, I lay in the bed and the first thing I do is I say a prayer as I'm laying in the bed to guide my God, my thoughts, God, my actions, let your will be done through me today. You know, for the, for my good and the good of everybody that I affect. Whatever it is I'm supposed to do that day, 'cause I also ask God to like the things that I have scheduled or planned, if they're not things that need to happen. Okay. Just, you know, guide me as to what I'm supposed to do. And then, you know, throughout the day, I just might say a little prayer here before I start a project. I might say a little prayer here before I get on a phone call on a meeting. And then of course, in the evening, I have found, and this might be old school. I just feel like actually getting on my knees and praying. Just something to that, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I dunno if God appreciates the boy, he probably doesn't care.

[00:26:40]
 But for me, yeah, I dunno. Something about it just feels like really sacred. Mm. You know, getting on my knees before I go to bed and, 'cause I guess from a child. With my grandmother. That's what we used to always do before we went to bed. We used to get on our knees, like my grandmother would get on her knees, my great aunts, all of my family. That's what we did. Every now we would get on our knees and pray. And I feel, and it's almost, and I think it's also like a family connection, a family ritual connecting me to those who came before me of actually getting on my knees. Saying a prayer before I go to bed. I think it's the symbolism, the act of kneeling before God.

[00:27:22] Dr. Nate Salah
Yes. It's, it's that reverence in a way. And, and and you know, people use the term submission and surrender as though it's a defeat today in, in modern context. It's not actually with God. It's saying that you're not my enemy. You're my ally. You know, you're my friend and I'm not going to bear arms against you. I'm not going to turn my back to you. I'm going to to honor you as my, my creator. Man, we've lost that. We need to reengage with the reverence of God and God's creation and, including myself on a daily basis, and I love that. I love that, that that physical consecration. 

[00:28:08] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:28:09] Dr. Nate Salah
If you will. And even Jesus, you know, in the garden. What did he do? He, you know, he, he, he was on the ground praying. And, and that's, what a, what a beautiful symbol, of that and where, you know, where, where Paul says, you know, my power is made perfect and weakness. It doesn't mean that you're unable to stand, unable to, to walk. It means that. You're relying on God's strength and God's strength within you. I think that's where the, the beatitude, the meekness, right. Blessed or the meek. It's, it's, it's it's power under God's control. 

[00:28:46] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. I agree. 

[00:28:48] Dr. Nate Salah
And that's back to our full circle on leadership and delegation and not always feeling like we have to exert our power in a business environment or a leadership environment. Sometimes it's releasing. 

[00:29:01] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 100%. 100% releasing because you just, I think about again, how limiting it is to want to have that control and just like knowing that God, it's has so much more intended for me and for my staff, my people, my family, my community. It's like I'm holding it back. If I'm doing this, it's me and God. It's like, why are you doing this? Like, I have so much more for you here. Just release it. Just let go, please. 

[00:29:38] Dr. Nate Salah
I love it. I love that. Am I limiting that blessing of others? Yeah. In our community, our, our G three community grow purposefully. Give generously, go love radically. This is a, we've just launched. Our newest, program in, in this leadership community. And I was just telling the, the team this morning about how blessed I am to release these responsibilities that I would normally, you know, I've been in business 30 years and for many years I wore all the hats and grow, and it's like at the same time, it feels so freeing, so liberating, especially when you have people who care. About the mission, who have the competence to do the work exceptionally well and say, Nate, we got you. 

[00:30:29] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:30:30] Dr. Nate Salah
Release. So we could, we could, we could release that blessing. And I tell them, and I told 'em this morning, I want you to know this, that I need you. Because you can do what God has gifted you in so much better than I can. I can do it. I can't do it the way you can do it. And just like God has gifted me in certain areas that I thrive in, I need to focus on the genius that God has gifted me in. You focus on the genius God has gifted you in and as a collective, as a team. Think about that magnification, that amplification a blessing.

[00:31:10] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:31:12] Dr. Nate Salah
That begins to manifest itself. Through releasing so that as we know in the scripture, the hands and feet and all the different parts work together to do the good work we're all called to do. 

[00:31:25] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:31:26] Dr. Nate Salah
And you feel good. You feel better. Yeah. Does that mean things are still gonna, you know, go sideways from time to time? Yeah. But back to what you said earlier about outcomes. Look, Lord, I'm gonna be obedient. You know, there's two o's in this conversation. Right. I will be responsible for the O of obedience. You be responsible for the O of outcomes and we make it work. 

[00:31:49] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:31:50] Dr. Nate Salah
That's right. Yep. 

[00:31:52] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
That's good. Good. 

[00:31:55] Dr. Nate Salah
That's right. That guess what? You sleep better at night. 

[00:31:59] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, 

[00:32:00] Dr. Nate Salah
Yeah. You sleep better. Because we carry so much, we shoulder so much of the burden that God wants to us to say. Let it go. 

[00:32:06] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:32:07] Dr. Nate Salah
Let it go. You say, but God, well this, this, and this, and all these things could go wrong. Okay, let go do your part. What's, what's your part? Obedience. Yep. Outcomes are on me and the, and no matter what the outcomes are, as long as we walk in that obedience. Just back to the parable of the, the talents, what's the response that God gives you when you multiply and increase what you're entrusted with, no matter what the, the volume is, no matter how much, it's always the same response. Done. Well done. 

[00:32:39] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. My good and faithful servant. Yep. That's it, right? That is right. Yep. 

[00:32:47] Dr. Nate Salah
Walking that we will walk in that my sister. 

[00:32:50] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
I am with you. We will definitely. I love that. Look, I already, I feel so much here. 

[00:32:55] Dr. Nate Salah
Amen. I see. I know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm ready to do some more ago now. We're all loosened up. Now. Let's go lead. Let's go lead. Lead with, with God's presence and. I think that's the other part of this journey is sometimes we forget, we forget about God's presence. you know, he said, I will never leave you or forsake you. So that means that he's always with us no matter what the circumstances are. And just because we can't physically see God, we see God's manifestation of course, you know, with the Holy Spirit within us as well as with ambassadors of Christ around us. The word living in and through us. And the circumstances warrant for us to, I think in many ways, say, God, you know, before I make a decision, I'm gonna consult you back to the prayer. 

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And I say, even consult you, I'm going to even take it a, a step further because, you know, a consultant or an, or an advisor, you can dismiss their ideas or their recommendations. Let's, let's take it to the next, the next level from a, from a consultant or advisor to an authority, you have authority. You have dominion, full dominion over my life because my life is yours. And God has already asked us if we would manage his investment in us. Mm-hmm. So in doing so. What we then do is say, as our authority, you've invested in me, Lord today, and you've entrusted me to manage that in so doing as my authority. I want your leadership. So I manage effectively. 

[00:34:53] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:34:54] Dr. Nate Salah
So I manage with purpose well, I manage with meetings. So today, on this day. I'm not going to do anything until I've understood your leadership as my authority, so I can properly manage this investment called my life. For you, how does that change the conversation when you're with a employee, when you're with a client, when you're with a supplier, when you're with your spouse or your children, or someone on the street?

[00:35:24] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:35:27] Dr. Nate Salah
All of that changes dramatically. 

[00:35:29] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Hundred percent. Definitely. I agree. It's the mindset that you go into the conversation with, and again, it is being, having your words in the conversation, being spirit-led versus you leading it, like allowing spirit to lead you in the conversation, you know, versus, you know, I'm going to, again, that control, but just I think we forget. How much easier it is just to be in that space, like we're choosing the harder road. Like you're, you're choosing the hard, the hard path. Like it's so much easier just to allow yourself in all th ways, you know, acknowledge him. Even the little things, even the little decisions that you think are not big deal. Why not? If, if he'll guide you and he said, he'll, why not? 

[00:36:24] Dr. Nate Salah
Why not? 

[00:36:25] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Why not? 

[00:36:27] Dr. Nate Salah
And that's the, that's the, that's the heart of Seek first. His kingdom and his righteousness and all these things will be added to you. That's like what you're talking about. You know, Hey Lord, I'm gonna walk in the spirit before I make any decisions.

[00:36:44] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. 

[00:36:45] Dr. Nate Salah
Yesterday was, and always today, this, this morning, everyone's had the encounter on the road to work, right? So I was driving, and this gentleman. Decided he wanted to roll up in front of me. He was right behind m,e and he thought, and there was only about two car lengths between myself and the car in front of me, but he said he might get to work faster. I don't know where he was going if he just got right in front of me. And the spirit and the flesh were at war. My sister, I have my, I have one of my sports cars, and I was like, oh, I oughta just, you know, I felt like the, a little bit of the, you know, the heart rate rising. Mm-hmm. Hands gripping a little more on the steering wheel. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute. Jesus, let's talk about this. 'cause I know you, I know you wanna have a little convo with me before. Right. I act in the flesh. 

[00:37:39] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:37:40] Dr. Nate Salah
At that time, it released my spirit took dominion. Rather than the flesh in that moment and released. And I said, you know, that's okay. That's okay. That's an opportunity to reflect. We're talking about here. Yeah, say God, you take the wheel in a way, right? 

[00:38:02] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah, exactly. 

[00:38:03] Dr. Nate Salah
How many times though, however, how many times did that not happen? And then we get into worse situations because the discernment wasn't there. And that's the beauty also of the mistakes, right? And God's like, okay, you can make a mistake. Guess what? I'll give you another opportunity 'cause it's gonna happen again. 

[00:38:20] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yep. And a lot of times, you know, I feel like there are those of us who have some favor. Like, I feel like I have favor, right? And because I have favor, I have to be very careful in what I just focus on. Like, I'm gonna make this happen. This is what I want to happen. I, Heather wants this to happen, and it'll happen. And God will be like, okay. I mean, since you're so insistent. On this happening. Cool. Great. There you go. Versus, God, do I need this to happen? Is this really the direction you would have me go? Right? And so sometimes I have to pull myself back because I know that, you know, if I insist enough, I'm probably gonna get what I want. But is it what I, 'cause I've had situations where I could look back and say, Heather, you were very insistent. You wanted this to happen and you wanted that to happen, but you did not check in with God if that's what was supposed to happen. You know it, it can go that way. And so I have to remind myself that, yeah, like that's great. That favor is wonderful and God wants you to be responsible for constantly checking in. Is this what he wants for you? Is this what he wants for your business, for your family, for your life, for your community?

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 Is this what he wants? So that's really, really important to me. That's really important to me. As I've gotten older, 51 years on the planet, you live and you learn and you start to kind of apply some of these lessons and I'm like, oh man, I really, really, oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Lemme check in. Let me check in more. Is this what you want for my life? Is, is, is this what you want? Is this your will? Which is so, so important. Please. No, he'll, he'll let it if you're just so insistent. He'll. Okay, go ahead.

[00:40:22] Dr. Nate Salah
And people would sometimes say, well, how, how do I know what God's will is? And I've heard it said like this, God's will is in God's word. Mm mm-hmm. If you really wanna know what God's will is, get into the word yes. Right. That's, and of course, what is the word? I mean, you know, what is Jesus? Jesus is a word made for flesh. So, and that's freedom. As well, because once you understand God's will, you will walk in liberty because you will no longer be in bondage to the darkness and the, and a lot of the, the folly. 

[00:40:54] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Yeah. 

[00:40:55] Dr. Nate Salah
That comes from decisions we're making outside of God's will because that's really what John 8:31 through 8:36, if you abide in my word, you are truly my disciple. You will know the truth and the truth. Sit, you're free. And of course, what does Jesus then say? If the son has set you free, you are free. Indeed. Indeed. Amen. Amen. I didn't know we'd be having church on, on a Monday, but it's, it's a blessing where two or three are gathered in his name. Yeah. And, and just sharing your story and the wisdom around this, this important topic of releasing, to God's authority, not just God's advisory. Yeah. I appreciate you. And before we go though, I have a question for you. Yes. One day we will be at the end of this journey before we ascend to heaven. If there's one thing, if you look at the, all the people you are able to influence or be a part of their lives, what's one thing that you would want them to have said about you?

[00:42:05] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
One thing that I would want them to have said about me. That she loved fearlessly, that's what I want them to say. 

[00:42:14] Dr. Nate Salah
Well, you, my friend, are on your way. Thank you for being here. 

[00:42:19] Ms. Heather Fatzinger
Thank you. Thank you for having me. 

[00:42:21] Dr. Nate Salah
Thank you so much for supporting our program. We couldn't do it without you. I want to just take a moment to honor you in prayer. We don't wanna build anything without you. God, we're not a business, not a family, not a future. So we invite you into every room we walk into this week. Rooms, living rooms, prayer rooms. Let your spirit lead us. Let your voice guide us, and let your power move through us to bless everyone we encountered. We are yours and your holy name, Amen.

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