Monday Beers Ep.78; Ronnie Turner - Ronnie Turner Calls

On this week’s episode of Monday Beers Podcast the guys sit down with Ronnie Turner, owner of Ronnie Turner Calls, one of the original competitors in the Callapalooza Callmaker Build-Off and now the man helping run the show.

From competing at the bench to organizing one of the most talked-about events in the callmaking world, Ronnie breaks down his journey, the evolution of the Build-Off, and what it takes to bring together some of the best callmakers in the country. The guys get into craftsmanship, competition stories, and the growing culture around Callapalooza.

It’s a deep dive into the heart of callmaking, packed with stories, insight, and plenty of laughs, the kind of episode you don’t want to miss. Grab a cold one and settle in. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Time what it feels like.

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Crazy.

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Okay.

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Grandpa.

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Just so y'all know. Just so y'all know, this is a continuous of the last podcast. Yep. A continuous. We had a few beers and uh lots of laughter, and I have the hiccups until they go away.

SPEAKER_04 0:33

Hey, the hogs are still up. It's 78, 75, 9 seconds left in the second quarter. Or second half, whatever the fuck you want to call it of basketball.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

So this one, this this one, this episode is gonna be very interesting. This is obviously different for us because we haven't recorded two podcasts in one singular day. I don't think we ever have. No, sorry. I'm so oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

No, two in one day. Never never done that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

You know the one-a-day pills for men's kind of how this is, but podcast-wise.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Go ahead and pick up need some Rolades.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

So you're gonna have to excuse me until I get rid of this. I'm I've been trying to do death breaths. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

No, everybody flame his ass. No, uh, we we got a pretty interesting guest coming on that we're I I'm super happy to have him in here.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Well, he he he is perfectly fitting for podcast, all right? He's perfectly fitting for podcasting. Hey perfectly fitting for audio but not visual because he's not very pretty. But hey guys, uh don't say anything, don't say anything. Don't say anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

Hey, did you give him the hiccups? Did you give him a mouth hug? Is that what happened? I think I got rid of them. I think I talked enough. I think they're gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Shut don't don't jinx it. Oh, they're still there. Alright, guys. Hey, if you are new here, make sure you follow along with us on Instagram. I'm sorry, this one's gonna be way off the cough of our normal shit. Way off the hiccup of our normal. It's gonna be a little bit different. We're running to the follow us on Instagram, Monday Beers, and uh Tuesday Queers.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

You already know how this one's going down.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Tracy's getting a call. He's on call right now.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Uh so uh you can listen with us on iTunes and Spotify, and also right there on our link in our Instagram, it is uh Spotify or not a Spotify or a Buzz.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

I didn't know what the fuck that was. God damn it. I thought Brooke just bit me or something.

SPEAKER_06 2:53

I was like, that's still really on character to it.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Y'all are definitely on character for our guests. Y'all are in for a y'all are in for a treat, this one. Right there on our Buzz Sprout webpage. You can find it right there on our Instagram page. Y'all y'all follow along with us. We're back here again. And we post these, and this is gonna be a little bit out of schedule because it's gonna be a week behind, probably, because we got two episodes coming out this week. We post these every Sunday. So you can listen with us on Monday. And we call ourselves Monday Beers. Not Monday Blue. Thank God we got through that.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

Now Daxy can talk. Alright, guys, so uh we got a pretty special guest here this evening. He rides a sport bus. Jesus Christ. If you want to, you can put the headphones on. No, you don't have to. You don't have to. I wear the phone, you're good. You're good. As long as whatever you talk, so whatever you talk, have it about like right there. And as long as you're like kind of in this. Yeah, that'll work. That'll work. That'll work. But we got a pretty special guest on here. Uh, you know, he he's kind of the one, one of the forefathers of the whole Collapalooza callmakers build-off and everything, and uh definitely somebody I I I personally look up to, and I think a lot of people do as well. Uh, as far as the duck con world goes, he does a lot of great things. Uh, but it is none other than the unicorn himself, Ronnie Turner.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Hello, hello, guys. How's it going? Hell yeah. Here's the thing about when you said um uh you know, one of the forefathers of uh the callmaker build-off, the first two years I competed. Really? Oh yeah. John called me up and asked me to put teams together. I did. And it was back then we had real men competing. Now I nowadays I no, you don't understand. Nowadays I don't know. Because back then, I chose the teams, and John would tell us what the build-off was all about or the schedule and the whole nine yards the night before. These guys wanted three months in advance, and they're like, You got you gotta tell you. Oh, they want to practice for it and stuff. They want to practice for it. So we didn't do that in the old days, and there's two guys, I'm not gonna say their I'm not gonna say their names, but their nesters are Mike Miller and Logan Rebolt. Oh my god. They're crying. They're absolutely crying the whole time. Anyway, before I come in here, I gotta tell y'all a story. And so we're out there. Uh Gray Snyder gave me a piece of coca bola burl to do a you know, he does that SOS story, which is great. Great calls the uh, you know, the the cancer screenings for firefighters, which is great. Um he gave me a piece of coca for a call to make for a you know fundraiser. And then he said, Hey, I'm thinking about doing this other call as well, and he pulls out this big chunk of I don't know, some kind of burl, but it's it's heavy as shit. And Ben Davis, y'all know Ben. Yeah, okay. Ben, let me see that thing. And he's throwing it from hand to hand. He misses, and it goes over into one of John's uh those displaced with the vintage calls. No. It broke the glass just a second ago? Holy shit, dude. Uh, West Call's out there helping to clean up, dude. It break and split and shit. Oh fuck. Anyway, I had to tell that story I wanted to lose with it. That dude shit his pants. I said, John knows kung fu and he's gonna kick your ass. Uh well, hell then, come on.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

And we're talking about like a vintage, whenever we say vintage calls, but we don't mean like 70s or 80s. We mean but like there's some calls in there. 1500s, uh early early$1,500 calls. There's also$2500,$2,500 calls. You know, yeah. There's you're you're talking about money.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

There is one call in there that I fucking want bad.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

He wants that Taylor made.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

I want the yellow, I want the yellow mark tailored.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Yeah, that's we can we can probably snag it.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Let's do it. I'm gonna blame it on you. See, because like earlier everybody was like, Ronnie Turner or John said you were coming, and I was like, oh fuck. Because like for everybody who does we were making bets. Time out. We were making bets on how you know drunk everybody would get. Because me and Ronnie together is always a good time, no doubt about that. Depends on your perspective.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Well, if you're getting mouth hugs like I do, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

The mouth hug is definitely a new saying, guys.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

No, I've got but you don't understand. Me and Jackson have been have known each other for collapaloousas and hanging out here at RT for years and years and years. And it's Colton, same way. Um and he almost got divorced a couple years ago because he hung out with me at the damn house.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

He's like Ronnie's like, you gotta come out to the clubhouse. You got to come out. That's about all the book for the couple. So I say, I said, All right, Ronnie, I'm gonna come out there for 30 minutes. Three hours later, my wife's calling me. But it was a hell of a good time, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:22

You learn a lot about rich, you learn a lot about all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

Oh, it happens every single time. One night I I was just I was and it's such a big place where it's at. It's not far from here. But uh dang, I just walk into a random room and cloud's sitting in there, and I was like, What the fuck are you doing here, man? Like, I just you know, I mean, I I know Cloud pretty well, you know. I mean, like, we we're buddies. And I seen him sitting there, I was like, the fuck is going on? Like everybody's here.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

You walk into certain rooms, it's almost like an underground like duck coal dealing. It is it not like a drug. It's like a fucking drug deal going on but with duck coals.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

And you got you got people who are high rollers, people that want some low shit, you know, that's exactly how it fucking is, man.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

It's the craziest thing ever. I walked in there one night and they were showing me all this stuff, and I don't remember. I was pretty fucked up. Uh imagining that shit. And I said something. I said something, and they all just looked at me, and Ronnie's like, You better, you better leave the room. Like, you better get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

I remember one night you were you were running the I don't know if I could say this. If not, we can cut it. But um we can cut everything if we have to. Oh yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I remember one night you were running the auction on a on one of your calls and nobody was bidding on it. Nobody was. And then I was like, I call bullshit on that one.

SPEAKER_06 9:51

No, no, it got stagnant.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Everybody else was raising their hands. No, it got stagnant. It got stagnant, and I go, Ronnie. I I brought a bottle of whiskey for Ronnie, for like just him, like as a gift to him as a friend. I was like, nobody uh it got stagnant. I was like, throw in the bottle of whiskey. That shit started going, son.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

I mean$15 bottle of Kentucky tavern you think that's it. No, it was Angel's Envy.

SPEAKER_04 10:17

It was Angel's Envy, it was Angels in Kentucky Tavern. I wasn't gonna fucking drink it. I wasn't gonna fucking drink it. Well, Angel's fucking James Fox.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

You don't like Angels Envy?

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Oh, no, I don't. I don't. Hey, Angels Envy Ride. If you're a wishy guy, no, regular Angels Envy is eh. Yeah. But hey, you get the Angel's Envy Ride. You know, people say I taste vanilla and I taste this, and I taste you actually will taste that shit. Anyway, so I tell you what, out of all the years at Colapalooza and going over to the damn clubhouse and hanging out after Collapalooza hours, and one of the best blind play-along singers I've ever met is Jackson. Oh, god, I've got videos of him and Caleb's playing the guitar. Caleb done. Playing the guitar, playing the guitar. He didn't come the last two years, man. Ain't looking at shit. I mean, he ain't seen shit. He ain't seen nothing in hours. His eyes are you can blindfold him with dental flaws.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

That's I have videos of that. Of him on a dance floor in Litterot, all by himself, all by himself. Just jamming it out.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

I have a video of Jackson singing Brown Eyed Girl. Oh, God. Was he looking at the brown eyed girl? On karaoke.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

More or less. I mean, singing. It's 21 years old. It was like as soon as we turned 21, but leaving 21.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Huh? About a year ago. Shit.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

Hell, I'll be 28 this year, Ronnie.

unknown 11:47

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Yeah, you're getting old, you know. I'm old. I'm old. But no, uh, I I I do have a question for you, Ronnie. I mean, uh, let's get serious. Let's ask him something about his career.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

I here's one thing I've always say, and I never get serious. You're gonna hear bullshit. Yeah, no, no, I never get serious.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Now we can talk about we don't ever either but I I do uh a big question I do have, and I and I think it's really cool, because I I've seen people start doing it since you've done it. So you're obviously a callmaker in yourself, but obviously, yeah. But there there's uh certain things that you do that I think is really cool and means a lot to me personally, and that's uh every time you run like uh I I don't want to say foundations, but like fundraisers for uh stuff. Can you tell us a little bit more about how that kind of started, why you got into doing that?

SPEAKER_02 12:42

You know, it was it's when I say not funny, for when I started making duck calls, I've been making duck calls for 21 years now. So when I first started, like every young man, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna make a living at this, I'm gonna I found out I already have a full-time job and trying to keep up and be a full-time duck call maker. Yeah, you're not gonna do it unless you really put your heart and soul into it. So so I I slowed down. Slow down making calls. And don't write. I'm not saying uh by any means I'm not one, I'm not Brad Samples, I'm not John Stevens, I'm not those guys that make the really, really good calls. But I started making fewer and fewer. Don't wrong. I I and people started a unicorn. Well, they're kind of hard to be able to do that. And the unicorn name, I've never I'll talk about the unicorn name, but so they started they started becoming fewer and fewer and harder to come by, so people started wanting to pay more. I said, hey, instead of me reaping the benefit, the Lord's blessed me, I got a good job, I got a good family, everything's good. I said, I can use this to help others. And when I say it blossom into I mean when I'm when I say making tons of charity calls and helping foundations or whatever, and that's what brings to me, that's what makes it worth it. And if you if you call me up and say, hey, make me a duck all, I'm gonna pay you know$250 for it, I'm like, eh. And somebody says, Hey, you got a I got a charity going and you can help us raise some money, I'm I'm all in. So that's what it that's what it really how it started, and it blossomed because they are few and far between because I don't make too many. And people really uh I you know, but here's the thing about it, ain't the quality of the call it's the bullshitter behind the call. And honestly, I really do think it's the man behind the call.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

That's for that's for any item in any industry.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

No, don't wrong. I mean we there are there are people that make ten times better calls than I do that ain't can't sell them for shit. No, but you you do make a good call, don't you? Well, you do make a good call. Well, I appreciate your line for us.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

Hell, uh, we just got one. I say we did because Michael bought one, and like that's yeah, I mean, so we got one today. So because he he was asking me which one I liked, and we both picked out the same one that we liked. Uh it was the one with the uh was it walnut on the band? That wasn't walnut.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

No, that was uh oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

Leopardwood stands.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Well, it was before I seen the rainbow one.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

I would have much fuck you. I would have much rather have the rainbow one just because it speaks to the unicorn, you know what I mean? Yeah. And how the unicorn came up. So Yeah, tell us about it like because I never knew about that shit. And like everybody started calling you the unicorn, and I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 15:24

So probably about halfway through, it was probably the early when I say 2010, 2011. I had a friend of mine come from Canada hunting with me. And he came down from Canada to hunt at the shithole I have over in Monroe. I thought it was in Brinkley. I guess Monroe is pretty cool. You know where the Monroe Tavern is? Yeah. Okay, I'm that gravel road down the it's three miles down that gravel road from the Monroe Tavern. No shit. So I go to the Monroe Tavern a lot if you ever want to go and hang out with me and sleep at my place. So Saturday night, I gave him a call. I gave him a call when he came to visit me. I mean, you're coming all the way from Canada hunting. Of course, are you? I said, I mean, I would this guy a call. So I made him a nice call. Matter of fact, it was one of those legitimate calls. But anyway, gave it to him, he posted online. Everybody goes, What the hell is that? He goes, That's a unicorn. And he goes, What do you mean? He goes, they're they don't exist in the wild, you can't find them. And that name stuck with me ever since that he posted that shit online, and unicorn stuck, and so I said, hell, I'll just I mean everybody said, I did, I rolled with it. And it's actually, you know, I got the the whole emblem, the whole nine yards. Look, there it is, you know. Yeah, oh yeah. Everybody, so that's how they know it is the unit. So I make about what 40 45 calls a year is all I make. Really? Oh yeah. I didn't even think you made a year. Oh probably 90% for charity.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

Yeah, so which is which is awesome. So but my question is like um as far as the charity goes, what got you into doing what like was there something uh that it happened that you like, was there something in your past or anything that had happened that you wanted to that you're willing to speak about that you wanted to be able to help others, or it's just that the type of guy you are?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Well probably, honestly, uh my wife is an amazing woman who always if if I if I did not meet her, I would be. And you guys would look at me, you know me, you know me well. I would be a tweaker in a ditch somewhere. And that's the honest truth.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

I've never met your wife, but I have met your two girls. I I've met your two girls. No, yeah, I have one time. One time I did, but I met my wife.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

But no, I honestly, when I say it's you know, you have that one thing in your life that makes a difference, and it it took me a while. And once I mean, she made me realize that we're blessed, you gotta give to others. And and and that's the honest truth. It's amazing. Like I said, I'm blessed, I have a good life. How can I help other people? And she saw that I was making the calls, like I said, they're rare and people want to pay a lot. And that's what part of her encouragement was we can raise a lot of money for people if you do this, if you turn this in the right direction. And and that's what that's like.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

I personally think it's it's awesome what you're doing. And and the fact that you're not the thing is, uh everybody listening, he's helping people, he don't even know them from Adam or Eve. I mean, he's helping people all across the states, the globe. I mean, he's helping so many people, and it's like that's why as soon as I met him, I had seen all this stuff, you know, coming about in the earlier days, like of me working here and finally brilliant for the longest time. I thought he was fucking Brad Samples. Because I'd never met Brad or Ronnie. I'd never met Brad or Ronnie. We're both bad. And fucking everybody's walking around. I wouldn't say all that now. But uh and and after that, Call of Palooza, son of a bitch. After that, call the Palooza, I got to be really good friends. Uh more with Ronnie, but me and Brad came a little bit later. Me and him, me and him got to be friends after me and Ronnie, but Brad's a little bit a little bit more reserved than.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

A little bit more than 100% never fucking reserved. No Brad Samples. You don't know Brad Samples. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

First day I met you and I come in here filming for the first time I met him was probably filming. No. No. From the very beginning, he's like, oh yeah, go in here, film these guys, get all up in their fucking way, fuck them all up.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

I never said that something you would have said.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

He called you.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

I got a story. You want a story? We've told everybody. It's never been on air. I tell everybody's story. Brad tells everybody this story. Me and Brad have been friends for 20 years. We met. When I say we grew up, well, we grew up making duck calls together. He started a probably a year after I did. And back then you didn't have all the social media bullshit. It was like form boards and okay, hey, I don't know you. You couldn't post any pictures. It was just like some bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

You know, oh yeah, it was like borderline erotic. It was, it was.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

You didn't know what you're getting in. It was like catalogs. You know what you're getting into. It was elusive. It was unicorn. You could catch that shit, you know? Anyway, so I met him 20 years ago. We sort of, you know, sharing duck call, making stuff, this and the other. I said, hey, why don't you come to Arkansas to hunt? His first Arkansas hunt was with me at my place in Monroe. No shit. No shit. Here's the thing about it. His first trip there, he was spending a whole week with me. Just met the guy. Well, I mean, I knew him online, met him at Realfoot, but first like pen on the doing something with him. That poor son of a bitch. He decided one day, done wrong. We drink a few beers, this and that, and he said, Hey, I gotta go to Max. He was going with one of the one of the other guys that we in our club to go to Max to buy his wife and his kids some t-shirts and this and that and the other. Me and a buddy of mine that was at the club named Dave the Betts. And they go, shit, let's go ride some gravel roast and drink a beer. I said, sure. Perfect. Exactly. You know, you know it is. So we're driving. I said, hey, we stopped by the Dollar General over there in Clarendon, Arkansas, and bought some leopard panties. No shit. This is this is the honest truth. I I promise you, ask him to call a polo cast.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

Y'all ought to know how we forewarned y'all. I just want y'all to know that.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

I'm telling you, no, ask him at Collapalooza about the leopard panties. I already know this story. I'm gonna tell it publicly. Tell it.

unknown 21:57

So

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Who wants this story to be known everyone? You understand? This is the best one ever. So anyway, I go to Dollar General and I buy a set of leopard panties, you know, decent size, not big, not small. Just, you know, a woman you might do while you're on hunting. If you had enough beer. If you had enough beer. Anyway, took them back to the place, and this is no lie. So I ripped the tags off and I took a just I'm when I say just a hair bit, a light bit of mud and did the inside of the panties. I did. I did. I mean, not nothing thick, just a little scrape, just to make it look like there was something there. Like these are really used panties. I stuffed them down in his bag. And I I don't know his wife. I don't know anybody. I don't know his wife. This is like I said, first time we're hunting together. Dude, you know me. That's the shit I do. Here's the thing about it is he goes home and he pulls out, he gets home, he goes, All right, Logan, you know, other son, daughter, his wife, and he reached down the bag and he pulls out a pair of leopard panties. And his daughter's only about like eight or ten years old at the time. She goes, You got some explaining, dude. I'm sitting in the now, Brad lives in South Carolina, so we had a long drive home. He's an hour ahead of me. It's probably about 9:30, 10 o'clock on a Sunday night at my house. I'm laying in the bed. Yeah. Me and my wife are watching TV. You don't fucking forgot about it. I ain't worried about it. You know, he ain't forgotten. Well, no, he's already laid up in bed. Hell yeah. All of a sudden my phone rings and I pick it up and I said, shit, I don't know that number or not. I answer it, it's from South Carolina, and I put it on the speakerphone, and there is a woman screaming at the top of her lungs, you son of a bitch. You know you, you better, Ronnie, you better tell me. I said, look. And I did. I said, don't get me tang in his tangled web of deceit. And I hung up the phone. It wasn't. Three seconds later, that damn phone rings again. She starts to cuss me. I said, I'm not involved in this bullshit. Please don't call me back. And my wife goes, Why is there a woman calling you at 10 o'clock at night on his side? I said, Brad did some bad shit while we were in the house. Look, and I don't know if y'all know Tiffany. I let it ride for like three years. She goes, You know it was you, you son of a bitch. I said, It wasn't me. I said, I'm not getting you. Brad goes. Brad goes, you must. I mean, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_06 24:31

I wasn't that shit for three years.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

His wife, every time she saw me, she goes, it was you. I said, It wasn't me. I said, We did some wild shit. So you gotta do it. And that Brad, and I don't know how he's still friends with me. And he texts me every day. He texts me. I don't see how he's still friends with me.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Damn mad, man. Boy, you talk about the doghouse, son. I'd be outside in the fucking outhouse. I'm a fucking doghouse. I get a little fucking barrel in the fucking ground is what I get. About six feet under is what I need.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

You need to come to my place.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

He helped me.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Treat me, guys. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

My wife called me one of the things. Ronnie, Ronnie. Ronnie goes, let me talk to her. Let me talk to her. And I'm like, and he took my fucking phone. Oh it did not help. It did not help. She rolls up in there. I'm telling you. A little bit later.

SPEAKER_04 25:31

I'm telling you. Oh, uh, sidetrack.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

Yeah. 9390 Whoopee.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

9390 Whoopee. Hey, is that uh whose boyfriend is that? He said he was doing all three. Oh, that's Jackson's boyfriend. No, but we're kind of a throw. Well, the other one he said he goes, I don't know if I can wrestle Jackson down. He goes, the other two I can probably wrestle down. Hey, watch this.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

Jackson, are you pregnant? Uh uh with an elephant, you want to see Trump?

SPEAKER_02 25:59

I love it. That's his new comeback.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

Where'd you get that at? Ronnie Turner. The unicorn. I mean, he told me that. I was just like, that's a fucking good one. It's a damn good one. That's a damn good one.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

People screw with you for being fat all the time. I mean, talking about when you when you get it, when you put on a little weight, you lose a little weight, you put on a little weight. No, I ain't done. You put on losing. I ain't been game, bro. You put on a lot of weight.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

Put on a fuck tonight. Thank you, Ronnie. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

I like big girls, though.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Fuck you, man. I'm sorry, everybody listening to this podcast, man. Like that Ronnie's one of my good buddies, and I he just you love me. Oh my god. And it's just every time me and him get together, I literally time out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Don't try to blame it on me. Don't try to blame it. But I do remember Baton Rouge. Oh. Oh, that's the whole what happened in Baton Rouge. That was really bad. I didn't do nothing. I had no idea y'all were doing it. You didn't do nothing. No. Y'all two were y'all two ladies were fighting with y'all when I knock on the window. You run outside and start drinking beer with me and whiskey. That's what happened. That's what happened. You were trying to be dead and trying to cover all the time.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

I was trying to keep the women calm. That was pretty important.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

See, it was all fine and dandy until I fell asleep on the park bench.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

And then all hell Brooklyn. And all hell Brooklyn. And then she found a bench. Then you walked back. Somehow. I think somebody.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Somebody carried him up to the room and he walked in the door and he literally fell on the floor. Well. And he passed out on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

He probably shit his pants too. Oh boy. You smell that? No. No, the only time I shit my pants. Oh boy, I do it all the time. But I was in John Stevens' Jeep. That's the only time I ever shipped my phone. The Wagoneer. The old Wagoneer? No, the uh he had a white Jeep. The truck. Yeah, the Gladiator. I didn't know the damn uh pants. We might have rolled out a window.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Dude, what was it? Where's your window? We went out there hunting one day. Maybe he had no, he still had that Rubicon or the Gladiator, whatever it was. And we were pulling the goose trailer. We got that motherfucker stuck on a fucking pot. We all get out and John looks at me and he's like, What are we gonna do? I was like, fuck. I dude. Tractor? I was like, buddy, we're we're stuck. I mean, like, it's your equipment and your farming.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

You're asking me. I'm gonna shit my pants through.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

We're fucking stuck. You know what I mean? I'm just I'm just here for a good time, you know. I mean, you know what I mean, shit. But the bad thing was bad thing was we were running out of beer. So we kind of had to make a a decision in that point that we had to.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

It was an afternoon hunt.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I don't know why y'all keep playing with those records. Sure. But you are one of the best hosts. Dude, you keep it going. I I mean you're no, you're a good host of the podcast thing. Oh, thank you. Man, we you got a fake made for radio.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Oh, fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

No, I'm dead serious.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Yeah, he's the entertainment. I'm the direction. Trey's just keeps both of us in line. I don't do shit.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

Me and Trey were the ones who like the looks in case they ever decide to get out of here. So you ain't never heard it. So I don't know if it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Do you know how this all started? Yeah. I don't know how it starts. We haven't talked about this in a long time.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

We have talked about it in a little conference story.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Uh fucking.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

I don't need a long one though.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

No, it's not a very long one at all. So me and me and Trey. I shouldn't have fucking said that. I shouldn't have fucking said that. So me and Trey used to come up here and drink on Mondays just to catch up because we'd never seen each other all that much anymore.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

And uh how long did we do that before we started hooding the people?

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Two to three months. Yeah, these assholes waited two to three months before they actually invited us. So we started involved with all our other buddies.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Because we felt like assholes for not inviting them to come drinking. Oh yeah, exactly. I really do. So we were like, man, we're kind of fucking assholes for not inviting all our buddies to come out here and hang out with us.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

Well then we started doing that, and it got to where there were 30 to 40 people out here every Monday. Every Monday.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

And John was like, what the fuck are y'all doing?

SPEAKER_04 30:27

We're jumping on a Monday night. Yeah. Every Monday or like once a month? About every Monday.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Why don't y'all tell me? I I'd be over here. It was just not like that.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

It's been like what, four or five years ago? Probably. Man, we were we were 21. Right when Jackson started.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

It would have been like almost a year before we started the podcast, so yeah, probably four years ago.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

Yeah, probably four years ago, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, and and then it was like, and we had all kind of talked about here and there as we thought. We had all been coming up on a podcast for years doing it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

And we were like fuck it, not doing it, doing a podcast. Yeah, doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

We were like, dude, this is a perfect opportunity to take. Is make a podcast called Monday Beards because we all get together on Monday night, yeah. I mean, I can't. No, it's Saturday, but I mean it is Saturday. It is Saturday. But I mean special Saturday. It is a special Saturday just because you're your boss. Nope. That's it. It ain't me. It's 10 years. I shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Hey, what are you doing next weekend?

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Hey, if you got military time on your phone, you are going with Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

He needs a cudder buddy.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

No, you're gonna be my cuddle buddy. I get a fucking bed.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

I'm not doing gay shit.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

I will sleep on the roof before I sleep in a bed with you.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

That's why I love you guys. Trey, are you gonna hang out at uh Calapalooza this year with us? I'm at Calapalooza every year. Yeah, he came on over at the WhatchCall.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

I invited New Year's.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

What's the whatchamacallit to you? They lodges. Are we switching?

SPEAKER_02 32:08

What do you want me to do? I haven't switched yet, but there's a lot of people that want a lower keyed, nicer end place that are willing to like, they're like, hey, I mean, I got a guy that's begging me to go to your place. I got several guys to go. Are we doing the higher end shit? I'm like, man, I'm low rent. I'm low rent, fucker. I'm I'm I I can't afford to.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

I just gotta talk to the boss, man. We'll figure it out. But uh, anyways. Are you not the boss? Are you not the boss? No, my father's the fucking boss. All right. What did no?

SPEAKER_02 32:37

We're just the cog and the fucking wheel.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

I'm the boss, I just I just guide that old man in wheel. Well, I mean, I can I can suggest something, but he's he's the money man, so I've called me the wheel.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Hey, so here, here, interesting, well, maybe interesting fact. We'll see. Probably not. No, no. I I I hey I might be a full-time callmaker starting January next year. Oh shit. You're retiring? Retiring? I'm retiring. You're down there. That's awesome, buddy. Holy shit, you done. Mama told me to go, and I said, my wife is going six months after. I said, Well, I might not retire, I might wait on you. She goes, I wouldn't fucking wait on you.

SPEAKER_06 33:18

That's awesome, dude.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

I'm happy for you, man. That's really cool. Does that ruin call making if you make too many? No. Well, I'm I'm trying to get John to give me a job up here. Well, yeah, you could.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

Come work with me. I'll teach you everything I know.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

All right, dude, I'd work for you. I dude, I don't I don't need a whole bunch. I just need McDonald's. It's somebody here to work for a bologna sandwich, Red Budweiser, my ass is in. That's the truth.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

I'm happy you're retiring, though. I am. That's good. That's good for you. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Well, no, or or you did well in your life.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

That's it too.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

And you've got a profession that allowed you to retire early.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

No, it's my wife. She she's smart, makes a whole bunch of money. She's smart and she makes a whole fucking money. She goes, You can retire. I was like, oh really? She goes, just shut up and go. Just stay in there. Leave me the fuck alone.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

Are both of y'all kids out of the house now?

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Uh no. Shit, that's bad. The largest bill, the only bill I have moving forward is I have a sophomore in high school. I thought she was older than that. I thought she was like a senior. No, I've got a 25 and a 16. And when I say that 16-year-old is expensive, God, I've never seen something like that. You know? No, it's I got girls. Here's the thing. I don't know. I know. I got a lovely wife, wonderful, two daughters. I've got 25 and 16 daughters. I've got a 16 daughters.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

16-year-old year old son. 25 and 16.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

25 and 16-year-old daughter. Then I've got a son-in-law for the 25-year-old. Yeah, you're a grandpa now, too, aren't you? I'm a grandpa and I have a granddaughter. So when I say women spend money, you two know it. I don't know. Are you married? No. Shit. Good choice. Good choice. Three times is it. I'm telling you, you guys are on your first, right?

SPEAKER_04 35:28

You got married already.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Uh not yet.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

A year. We actually just set the date.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Now he's married.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

So more or less.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Mine? Yeah. When am I get having a kid? No, your next marriage. No, I don't plan on doing that. No one ever plans on that shit, but it happens. It happens. No.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Seriously. So I have all girls. It's 100% girls, and shit. I mean, you guys know women are. Come on. I want y'all to admit it on the radio. You gotta see the looks on their face. They won't say it.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

I love my I love my lady with Lesson Jeans. I love Matt. I love her. She is great. She is great.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

But she costs a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

You want to be on, I'll be honest. Not as much as me. I do not spend. Even a woman that makes a lot of money, you're like, so Lauren's been doing this little side hustle. She'd be making a lot of money off of it. And so she wants to set up a booth here called Palooza, you know? Sell some of her purses and stuff like that. And I go, Oh, yeah. And I was like, well, they're going to have tents. And she's like, oh, I want, I want, I want like something kind of you know special, fancy for my booth. She wants to build a new wood, and have a little roof and stuff like that. So I was like, okay, yeah, we can do that. I said, I'll figure out how much money it's gonna cost you. And she goes, it ain't gonna cost me nothing. And I go, what do you mean it ain't gonna cost you nothing? She goes, You're gonna buy it. And I go, I don't own the business. That is not my business. That is your money. That's not my business.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

That's what they do. No, no, everything she makes is 100% profit.

SPEAKER_06 37:02

Your ass is paying the taxes, your ass is paying a million.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

You know, it it I hate not hate to say it. I actually am proud to say it. I make good money, but my wife, when I say one of the smartest people I know, and when I say, when I I don't care a thing in the world. When she tells me to go left, I go left. When she says go right, I go right, do this, do that, and she makes a hell of a lot more money than I do. That's all it matters. That's all that matters.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

No, but no, it's really so I've only met your oldest daughter once, I believe. Yep, she'll be here at Call of Plus this year. Oh, will she? But I've met your youngest uh quite many times.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

She comes she comes down with you a lot. She drives me here from hunting camp. Yeah. Because uh, guess what?

SPEAKER_04 37:49

She's 16 and able to drive now.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

She's able to drive. So yeah, we drink a few too many beers, then she can drive us back home. You got a DD, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Yeah, that's hey, that's that that that's probably got to be the coolest perk about having a kid. That's everyday goal with having kids.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

No, it's it's not everyday goals. You're a DD. Both of my daughters, we're really close, and and if anybody says, uh I have a daughter, I don't have a son, the hell with that. Daughters are they're kind of hard. They're easy when they're young, they're hard when they're older because the attitude and this and that. But both of mine enjoy my passions, which are I mean, duck call making duck hunting. I mean, I cannot leave the house. My youngest thing. I'm going duck hunting. She was like, I'm going. And both of them. I coached the high school trap team. My oldest was the first on her high school trap team. Really? Female. First female on the uh high school trap team. I coached that team, and my youngest is on it. I mean, like I say, they're great chicks, and we shoot all the time. They duck hunt with me. This weekend, it was funny, but mom always blames it on me, right? Or everybody always blames it on dad, right? Of course. So it's funny, I you know, my daughter lives two and a half hours away, so I don't get to see her as much old as and my grandkid. So they came down this past weekend. They came in on Saturday afternoon, and her husband, who works at a steel mill, he had worked all night. He had worked four days, and he had worked all night, drove over here. He was tired. He said, I'm taking a nap. I said, You go take a nap. Upstairs, they got their own room. He took a nap. And my wife said, I'm taking a grandbaby. She goes, You take the girl somewhere. So we went to a brewery. Honestly, my oldest daughter's like, she don't, ever since she had the baby, she goes, I don't drink a lot, I don't do this, I don't think. She goes, let's go have a beer together. We ain't had a beer together in forever. All right, great. Went and had a beer, had a you know, a couple beers, came back, cooked dinner, and after dinner, she's like, it was probably about after we hung out a little bit, she goes, about 10 o'clock. She goes, Dad, me and you are gonna hang in the duck-called shop. You know, I got a I got a big shop out behind the house. She goes, Hey, we're gonna hang in the duck call shop. Just me and you. The son-in-law was gonna take the grandkid to the bed, they were gonna and she goes, Me and the kids only mean. She gotta drink a few beers, I drink a few beers. And that's when the time change was coming.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

I'm like, oh this is last weekend.

SPEAKER_02 40:21

Dude, I'm sitting out there and we turned a duck-com for one of her friends. I did a couple things hanging out, and we're in there a couple hours, I'm like, we gotta go. She's like, one more, one more. And when your kid gets to that age, I mean, you know, I don't like I said, I don't I don't think it's here, you know, one day every month. It's like, whatever you want to do, I know I don't give a shit if you said we're gonna, you know.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

That's gotta be pretty rewarding as a father, though. Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

To see your child have a child, oh dude, it's it's amazing. And and to watch them be great mothers, fathers, whatever it is. But um, after a couple of like, dad, one more, one more, okay. I said, shit, I can't drink any more beers filling me up. I'm gonna shoot a shot of whiskey, you know, whatever. I'm pulling some good whiskey. Anyway, she's pulling that whiskey with me. So my wife, we're very devout Catholics. My wife, if you're not going to church, I mean, she's not gonna let you not lay out of church. I mean, when I say I have to go to church. So and which is a good thing. Um I'm up you know, getting ready for church, this and that and the other. But the thing is, when we walked out of my shop after the time change, it was 3.45 in the morning. Can you imagine what that does to a 54-year-old man? It was 345 in the morning. My daughter's like, it ain't that bad, ain't that? Motherfucker, it's pretty bad. I I I'm gonna be, you know, I'm gonna feel like shit tomorrow, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 41:50

You're having to sit there and go get the uh the the bread of life from the priest, and you're just like, Father blessed me. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Like, yeah. Matter of fact, but the thing is, my wife comes in here, right? They always blame shit on you. They always blame shit on you. I'm in here taking a shower, getting ready. I'm like, I'm ready to go. I I have no problem. I drank just as much or more, and I'm sitting there ready to roll. You son of a bitch. I said, What? Whoa, whoa, what are you talking about? Your daughter's out there, she's been puking since 6 o'clock in the morning. Bye, blah, blah, blah. The baby. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, Dominican. I said, I'm telling you, when I said I took, I said, the shot of whiskey for her was only that much. It was we were we took a selfie of it. And uh she goes, she was lying. She goes, she told me you asked her to stay out there, you told. I said, I whoa, no. My wife believed that shit until finally, I and finally I went up to my daughter. It was it was getting later in the morning. It was like 11, it was like 11.15. We had to leave in 25-30 minutes. Take one of these little pills, some little thing that dissolves under your tongue. No. Oh. My wife had them from some surgery or something.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

It takes away nausea like a it's uh not uh fuck. Dude, they're the best. Oh, they're the best. If you could have one of those during duck season every morning, uh was it grape flavored? Did you have grape flavor? Shit, I don't know. Kool-aid. What is that pill called? Yeah, you put it on your my mom knows it because that it used to be like something put it there and it goes. You would rub it right right here on your wrist back in the old days, like whenever I was growing up. You would rub it right there and it would like it would take away all the nausea, but there's a pill for it now.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

So she's trying to blame her thrown up like three or four times on my ass, and I show my wife that pick. She goes, That ain't much whiskey. There you go. Bang your daughter. She lying. Ain't no idea. Everybody blames it on me. Like Jackson. What I was getting to the point is you always blame it on my ass. He goes, You every time, every time you're around, Jason gets drunk and does some stupid shit.

SPEAKER_04 44:16

I will say we do kind of.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

You blamed it on him before he even showed up. Oh, 100%. I bet. We should have heard you were coming. I was like, oh fuck, here we go. Yeah, because he goes, Oh, Ronnie's showing up today. And I said, All right, here's what here's the deal. I said, if you keep it millitone, or what is it, monotone? Monotone. Melotone. Melotone is like for sleeping. Monotone. Monotone. If you keep it mono today, low-key. Low-key, that's better. Low-key, I will take you yo-yo fishing tonight. Because I know he's going to be fucked up while we do that. Right. And I said, it was a gamble. It was a gamble. I was, I was, I was testing him today. And I've done good. Yeah, you drank. I've done great. I'm having a beer though.

SPEAKER_04 44:58

This actually might be the best I've ever been around having a couple beers with Ronnie Turner.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

But you know what time it is. Ronnie, we got like 10 minutes. 531. 10 minutes. We'll be done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

We'll be wrapped up. Oh no. Well, shit. I can drink I can drink five beers in ten minutes. I mean, what are you talking about? Is that a challenge, boy? Let's let's get something serious. No, no, no. Let's get something serious.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I want something serious from you. So we got Call of Palooza coming up here in the next couple months.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Oh, it's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

How was it? How how are we laying out the call bills off this year?

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Well, I don't want to give away too much, but when is this playing?

SPEAKER_01 45:33

This so uh the week after next year.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

Oh, you you you don't have to give away anything. Uh well.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

You know, it's good. Here's the thing is we're enticing people. We've we've changed it up every year. We've done well, we've done four-man teams, we've done two-man teams, we've done head-to-head, we've done this. It seems four-man teams is a better factor. People don't feel as much pressure. The problem is, the old days, like I said, we used to learn to put the two first. I competed the first two years on four-man teams. I would put the teams together, but John would tell us the criteria the night before. So you had to go play in the night, you've been drinking beer all day. You know, it was a man's game. Now these fuckers I'm telling you, there's some bad ones. They they go, tell us what we gotta do. Tell us what we gotta do. We gotta plan for it, we gotta practice. We never had that the old day. Anyway. So why can't we go back to that?

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Are we going to back that? Or are you already telling them?

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Well, it's just have you already told them. No, I hadn't told them yet.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

So why can't we go back to that?

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Well, we could, but it's hard to find people that have the balls to do it.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

It's hard to find real men, I think they still want to be part of it, even if you didn't. Not if you put the pressure. The pressure's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

Yeah, but some of you. I mean, if you're locked in and you're trying to do that all in one night.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Yeah, but it's no different than like you go on those.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

Yeah, but you have four motherfuckers trying to fucking figure out something.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

But real men can do that shit. I've done it twice. Twice. Okay, right. I didn't do it once, I did it twice. Yeah, I'm bullshit. I fucking shut up. But here's the thing. So this year, though, I'm gonna tell y'all the secret of what we're gonna do. So this year we're celebrating, we're celebrating Rich Tones 50th, right? Yes. That's gonna be awesome. I mean, that is awesome in itself. Is it? Yeah, it is a 50th.

SPEAKER_04 47:26

Yeah, it's 50th, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

50th for RT. 25 years for Daisy Cutter. We talked about it a lot. Yeah, we've already talked about it. My bad.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Oh, it's 25 years on Daisy Cutter? Yep. No, no, so we're gonna we're gonna play off it a lot this year. So you can play off it. So that's good, that's good. I'm glad we're I'm glad you told me that. Because John didn't asshole out there didn't tell me that. So here's the thing is the first call is gonna be in the you know, we're gonna so every time we honor a callmaker, it's gonna be, of course, butch and RT this year.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

You kind of you don't have to Oh, so so that's a little splush. I didn't hear that until just now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

So yeah, or like Oliver and Glass. We did, we did. You know, like even our merch and stuff that we do is going off on Butch.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

Oh, is it? I see I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I'm just a cog in the machine, man.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

You know, I don't want you to. That's why I'm gonna be your boss here in a couple months. That's right. I'm just jacking, you fucker. No. Anyway, no, so um, we're gonna do in shape of the old uh RT style. Like the early flying in the flying duck ones? Yeah. Fuck yeah. So that's gonna be general. We don't want to replica, you just kinda kinda you know, you want to be collected. You don't want to because John don't want to replicate because you know people try to anyway. So we're gonna do that, but we're gonna do three calls, and I want to do a three-call set. And when I say decorative folks are getting harder to find for the carvers and snap, but I found some super huge. This guy walked in like, hey, give me that beer. I'll take that beer. I'll take that beer.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

I don't see if y'all needed any more beers.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

I'm sorry, man. What do y'all want?

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Same thing I got last time.

unknown 49:06

I don't know what you got.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Do you stick your pecker in this? Absolutely. It smells like shit.

SPEAKER_04 49:13

Ronnie, this is our buddy A-Ron. Oh, I've met him. I met him. I mean, I walked in everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 49:19

Come here, you message the table right now.

SPEAKER_05 49:25

There should be a chair near me, losing.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

You give me a delay. Yeah. Well, give me one of those until he's gonna take a delay. I'll take one of those. This thing tastes like shit. I don't know what it is. Give him a uh flying duck. Flying duck.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Blue wings and flying duck. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Thank you, Sherrod. Sorry, we had an interruption here. So um bear boy showed up.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Don't tell anybody, if you're listening to this, um, we're doing a they don't I don't think a lot of those guys listen to this anyway. So we can just get the listeners. We're doing a three-call set.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Decorative guys are getting harder to find, but you got good checkering guys. I ain't I ain't talking about you got great checkering guys out there. So say, hey, we're gonna do a checkering set. But we're gonna do a full set because you got the guys, the decorative guys take a long time, you know, they take the ten hours. Turning guys are done usually, and that's why we start doing a second call over the past two years. We're gonna do a third call this year. So we have a set that's gonna be an old school RT shape, MVP shape, whatever you want to do close to that. Main street call. We never had a main street sounded. Well, that's the first one. On the first one, nobody has ever made a main street call in here. Not here, in the call build off. In the call build-off. So something throwing that thrown out there. Um they're gonna do one in the middle, and it was up to callmaker choice until you told me the Daisy Cutter 25 year. You gotta give me a meet call that's almost Daisy Cutter sound, but it's gotta be a checker. Do live duck competition. Fully checker. We're not we're not checkering the first one because me and John talked about it. He goes, Bush didn't checker. We're not checkering that first call and honor, but it's just gonna be a main street call. Main street. So we're doing the second call, it's gonna be a meat call, gonna be on the it's gonna be more of a daisy cutter call now.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

You're going strictly sound on the first one then. Strictly well, 90 10.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

10% 10% on craftsmanship. Yeah. 90%.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

So you're gonna have you're gonna have shape and then you're gonna have sound. Shape and sound. Shape. Not no create no. Not creativity, not no artsy shit on all no carvation.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Whatever would we give them, that's what they're gonna have to do.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Whoever makes the best sound, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

Exactly. Second one's gonna be saying pretty much sound. It's gonna be a meat sound, but it's gonna be a revolve around the daisy cutter. I'm telling you, that'd be good, that would be a good idea. Good segue. And it's gonna be checkered. You got a checker. Now, that's the that's the new wave checker. It's gonna be uh skip line, small, you know, has a small point, 18 live per inch, um skip line, you know, something fancy on that checker and on that call. Yeah. Third call. Which we've never done. Look at that, man. We got our beer bitch back. Look at we got our beer bitch back. Did you get your own beer back?

SPEAKER_01 52:18

My own beer back.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

You're good for something. I think Jack's. Hey, thank you. I don't care what these guys say about you. You're you're a decent man. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 52:29

Motherfuckers have beer.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

So, third call. Third. We have never done again. There's two never done. Cut down. Ooh. The cut down. Oh no. We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

Oh, this isn't very controversy, though. No, it's not. Absolutely. Everything's controversial. Even in cut down, competition has become controversial.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

I'm gonna shoot you shut up. I'm gonna let you finish. I'm gonna let you store it.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Y'all ask me a fucking question. Let him finish. Finish. All right, so cut down call, but you're gonna do it off a big old high-rise public flat. It's gonna take a lot, a lot of shaping and doing this. I got two damn good cutdown guys coming in. A lot of cut down guys don't turn their own calls. You know, if you go to Bryce Decker, Devin Singleton, this and that, no, no, no. Great guys. They know what the hell they're doing, but they just don't turn. So I need people that are gonna turn. So we brought in uh Conrad, who won in WTF for cutdown, and uh Sean Lynn, who is a longtime call. He can really make a meet call, he can make a cut down call. So we're gonna have those guys come in for that portion one on each team. Um but the cool thing about the cut down is don't wrong, we don't want I don't want an old shape. Everybody does the old shape, but it can be similar in the likeness of, but it's gotta have a little nuances and it's gotta have old school flat top jackets. I I do like old flat top, flat top, wide diamond jack remote.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

I I I love that idea, and I love it. It's great what you're doing. I'm just telling about the controversy you think.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

I just I don't I'm so talking over that dude. I can't get behind the cut down competitions because there's no it's not like in Main Street, you know, or any of those other it it feels like there's more of a routine that they all follow by and there's something to judge off of. In cut down, there's not that.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Well yeah, there is.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

But no, no, there's there's really not because you look at our cut down competitions, you go out on the third round and it's like, oh, you're blowing to this and this.

SPEAKER_04 54:36

But here's the whole thing is not you can't judge off of that. No, no, it's absolutely not. Uh you uh you're you're cut down, you still blow the same routine. Like the the ducks, the ducks are coming in, you're being soft, and you're you're and then hey, they're going away, they're going away, get them back, get them back, get them back, and then you're they're getting back closer to the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

You say, hey, it's a there's still a criteria though. If you're if you're cloudy timber I could look at that person from the city.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

Okay, if that's what you're talking about. If that's what you're talking about, that's different.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

But what I like about that though is it gives you how to adjust on the fly. And that's a great thing. I'm not blowing the same damn thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

I could blow, I would just put the call in my pocket at that point. So then how am I supposed to even blow my call?

SPEAKER_04 55:24

I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot y'all both fucking straight and everybody else listening. Uh you know, I I love cut down calls. I do. Uh the reason I got into it was because of Colton Kerry. I started hanging out with him as a kid, and uh I got really into it, and I wanted to be gay sex. Jesus Christ. And I wanted to be good at it. I wanted to be good at it, and I did get good at it. Jesus Christ, Ronnie Fuck. And I I've gotten to the point now that I just like You don't like cut downs anymore? I I'm so over. No, I'm not I'm not over the cut downs. I still love cutdowns.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

No, they're because cut down have a place. So cut down have a place. No, so cut down. Cut downs have every place because I know how to manage my cutdown to be quiet. Sure, quiet, quiet, quiet, me too all the way to me.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

Me too. But I'm talking about the menu.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

I can be loud and proud of my cutdown.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

I know. But I'm talking about what they were meant for. Here's the whole thing. Yeah. Cut down for me. This is my opinion. Everybody's got opinions, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Sometimes other people are just.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

They're made to be loud and proud. And call them out. I do this with I I all the calls I make are upslope calls. Don't wrong, they're not a cutdown. Upslop. Upfloat takes a almost like a cutdown, it takes a different wind. But for me, thick timber, you're it's it's it's something magical about a cutdown. When those ducks, I ain't talking about just you're not calling, but you're not calling. But here's the thing is, you're not calling them when they're coming. As soon as they get above straight above you when they're not looking down, you hammered shit out of you. You know you've almost you know you've almost lost them. That's what I'm saying. And then you when they're when they're cruising and they're not looking at you, you ain't gonna blow. As soon as they I mean, when I say they get right straight above you, that's when you go, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, those some bitches, that's when a cut down does its magic, dude. Those things are just man, but so I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 57:22

I've just me personally, and and and it's honestly just my opinion and solely my opinion, but I love a call where it sounds like a hen has a acorn in her gullet. Don't wrong. Just that you pinch it off. Yeah, I I fucking love that. I love that sound. I love that. Now, does a duck love it? I don't know. I do.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

You don't think you can do that with a cut down? No, I can't, dude. I'm pretty versatile with my cut down. Not as easy. Not as easy. It takes some of my fucking line of needle. I'll give you that. Anybody that comes in here and they say, I've never blown a cut down, I say, all right, well, here's all the things you can do with it. I show them what I can do it. Yeah. It'll take them 10 years to figure that out.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

No, I mean, like whenever I first started blowing a piece, that couldn't be able to open up. It's a huge game difference. I mean, don't wrong if you're gonna be able to do it. You can do all that on a cut down, yeah. Like you said, you're gold.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

My my only my only thing is with it, and I think it's awesome that everybody does it. I like I said, I am not knocking a cut down in the fucking slightest bit. They they're awesome. But it's that everybody gets their dick so fucking hard for war. And I'm just over their dick, guys.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Well, I did, and I'm just over it. That's because, all right, you you but we're also in the Arkansas Masses that go hunting. And what is what do the Arkansas Masses hunt? They hunt public public timber, and they're competing with people. I get it, and they're all fucking competing against each other. You know what's the case? That's where the cut down. That's where the cut down came from. I get it. But they haven't came off of it yet either.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

What's your point of view on this?

SPEAKER_03 59:02

Trey. Say something called You can put me in by me to group a hundred yards to each direction of me. And give me a couple of things. Give me the most raggedy piece of shit call you've ever made in your life. And I'll break one. I'll break every duck off of you. All right. This guy's got here kids.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

That's only ankle deep if you go head first.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

Hey, I will say last night we were over at Poppy's house in the house on the highway. Y'all don't, y'all do know the house. Yeah. And uh, I was sitting there raking up the leaves with my feet. No, it's okay. Well, no. I was sitting there, I was sitting there raking up the leaves, and I found a damn Haydale DR85. Oh shit. Smashed the shit, still intact, took it inside. Melt it, wrap it up with tape, and sell it for$509. I mean, no, you didn't. I washed it all off, got all the mud and shit out of it, I blew it. I was like, Hold on now. I was like, I think I just found a gym.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

You you can you can run uh I mean those haydales are good sounding calls. I'll be honest. For a cheap old plastic call is a good sounding call. Best sounding call I've got is the say it's my that quackhead you gave me. Yeah, so yeah. I'm not full of shit at all. I'm not full of shit at all. Whenever he handed it to me, I'd say that is the dare. That it that is the most duckiest sounding call.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Sorry guys, I farted.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

I thought it shows like Asian skipples.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:49

But no, I'm making I I can tune it up. I can't, I've never made it though. But as far as tuning one goes, I'm pretty good. I mean, I I think I would be something.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

For the masses, the whole lure of cut down is a crock of shit. They don't they don't know how to use them. They may know how to use them. All they want to do with it is be the most loudest, obnoxious freaking duck caller. And they want to be louder than everybody else. Yep. But nobody cares about everybody else. All we care about is a you know making a duck come in. That's what it's fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:24

I mean, the lure of it has come from just every if you don't blow a cut down, you're not a real duck hunter.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:30

Exactly. That is in the timber hunting and shit. And I'm like, dude, I have literally been fucking out in the fucking timber, fucking blowing fucking motherfucker.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

I'm glad we had this conversation because honestly, we have a serious conversation now. I had a really good duck collar, a world champion, uh spec champion, a great meat call. And it was funny. The only thing he likes to blow up. Hunting with him in the timber is a whiny, like you said, it's a whiny ass little thin, almost like a DR-85. I hate DR-85s myself. I like a little more depth in a call than a DR-85. But when I say 90% of the time, it's more of that pinch off real thin. And it, I mean, this guy guides 90 days a year. Yeah. I mean, and he blows dunk calls, and he knows, and he's like, no, cut down is not the way. Hunts Arkansas timber, hunts all the way down to Louisiana, hunts up north, hunts everywhere, and it's more of that little whiny hunting. I fucking love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

I love it. Well, I can fully, I can fully admit that probably at least 70% of my calling on my cutdown is pinched off. It's not an attack. It's not wild. Now there's days that I'm like, these motherfuckers ain't paying attention to shit. So let me try to go. Yeah, let me try to get loud.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

But that's why you blow a cut down is to have that range when it's needed.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

With the cut down, you have to know how to blow it. Yes. Because they can be the most versatile call you have in your 100% without a fucking doubt. But you have to know how to use the colour. Not buy unicorns. Yeah, them unicorn. Them unicorns, they're all hey. If you buy a unicorn, you are helping. Hey, get out. You're you're helping support a foundation somewhere. It's about to be a retirement foundation, but I'm still supporting the foundation. No, I mean, that's like with my with mine, I I mean, it took me a while, but I finally figured out how to get like super soft and everything else. The first year my daddy, uh, God bless his soul, uh, he he was still here to see me blowing that contest, and I made it to the second or third round whenever it was still out here at Max. Yep, in the parking lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Yeah, I was 18 years old then, but I th I think I was. And that's actually, in my opinion, they were judging it uh accurately then. Yeah, then it was a lot different. You know what? It's more it's more about a. I just I don't like the way it's being done now. It's just different. They're throwing it, they're throwing little kinks in it and different things that I'm you have to have a basis to judge it. A routine, set routine, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

Instead of Colon Ducks, its own technicality now. Show me all the elements. I like it as a competition, it kind of should be. No, honestly. Not for a damn this is uh a cut down contest, almost like a meat contest. It should be about if I was in the woods with this guy, which or if I was going to the woods, which one of these some bitches would I take with me? It ain't more about this guy screening it off here and it's a good thing. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

But whenever you walk out there and you say, hey, it's a cloudy day, well, that's all perspective. I could blow a different way on a cloudy day at my farm than somebody else at their farm. You can't do that. That is the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

Well, I agree with you on that. I 100% agree with you on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:09

Well, when you say cloudy day, but they give you elements. You're you're it's a it's a heavy timber, it's a south wind, it's buck brush, it's the elements.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:19

So pardon my language, but why the fuck would you do that if you're blown in the fucking duck collin contest? I get it, but guess what? It's not fucking happening right then. Like just fucking. No, no, I agree with that. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Some bitch can adjust. I want the something bitch that can adjust to my day. Oh, I fucking he's a guy. Colton's a guy. So am I. If we go, but well, I think that's a good one. Yeah, but I've already adjusted. I've already adjusted out I know him as we're so the thing is that I'm going with Colton. He knows what to do on a sunny day, he knows what to do on a cloudy day, he knows to do with a particular sunny day, he knows a rainy day.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

No, but I've also been in all those situations that I've blown completely different.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

Completely different every fucking day you go. But you don't have to not do it, and you go, oh shit, I gotta make my kid up. Even in the middle, why I'm calling with it. I get it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

This company day is completely different from the next club. So you can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

You can't throw that out here.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

More than you motherfuckers ever thought about. So I know about different situations. Doubt. I just I really it's a guarantee he just touched my pecker, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

I'm dead set. I am dead set on that. Competition should just be just just judging normal routines. Not throwing no haywires at that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

Well, I mean, we've thrown so much. Like think about where duck calling started from. That started standing out.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

She's pregnant. She can't help it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

Hey, give me a history on duck calling competition and flash. We don't know actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

In all honesty, guys, we need to pull together to pull together money to buy John Stevens' shirt. What's in the table? He's wearing thermal underwear. It's your wife's thermal, so. Hell yeah. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

Who made that for you?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

Where did you get that? No, you're lying. Where'd you buy this from?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

Pretty bad. That is the gayest thing I've seen on Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

Where'd you order this from? Look at this thing. I know you're adding it. You said a word all day.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

No, no, just pull that sundown. John.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Hey, I'm a Star Wars nerd too.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:50

I'll admit to it. Oh no. Hey, the very first time I ever seen Patamai, buddy, I was hooked. Fucking hook.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

Better do it too.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

Natalie Portman's son, let me tell you. Settle the debate for us real quick. Oh no. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:05

I mean, I want your personal opinion on this. I want your actual opinion on this. We got a serious conversation. So in the cutdown competitions, they at the last round, they've been throwing in there like, oh, blow like you're on a cloudy day in this situation, blah, blah, blah. I don't agree with that on competition calling. Because everybody could do that differently in their area.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:28

Like you said, it cloudy days different. If I'm in timber is different, if I'm in buckbrush is different, I'm in this. But he's not going to say anything. I know he's not going to say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

One day it's one day, one day it's a fucking day. But how do you judge it also? You're still ranging on a cloudy day or a sunny day.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

But you but you still have the judge's point of view, too. Think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

On that clear day, is there fucking fog? Is there a fucking drizzle?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:56

Here's the deal. So when we started duck calling contest, we had to have a regiment, or not a regiment, what do you call it? Like a uh criteria. Like a routine. That's where we came up with you gotta blow a hell call, you gotta do this, and you have to have something to judge by. Because not everybody's opinion of what a duck sounds like is gonna be what you know, because I mean, the ducks sound different, and people call different. So the current day contest calling, which people call Main Street calling, is different because we had to structure something to say that this guy didn't sound more like a duck than the other guy. So like when it started, you know, they were just like, uh, we got these four guys that said they could call back when it started, and um we're gonna see who sounded the most like a duck. And then there's an opinion like, well, that's kind of judgmental. I mean, because you know, all ducks sound different, people think ducks sound different, and people blow different. So that's where we came up with the routine for mainstream calling, we gotta do a hell call, and so it got really, really structured. And so I think people, this is gonna sound biased, but I mean, I don't care. Um so we had to have come up with a structure, you know, and so that's where the main street calling came from. And so people were like, well, you know, we we can't do this or do that, and like it did get to a point where it wasn't about calling ducks, it was a more of a structure, and you have to perform and do these things differently. So now where we got meat calling contests or we got cut down calling contests, you know, people are like, Well, we just can blow like we're hunting. But damn it. At some point, you have to have structure you're gonna have to have structure. So that that those contests to me are gonna evolve to be just like Main Street calling, to where you have to have a structure. Because like you're saying, like on a backlash or so. How are you gonna say how this guy sounds better on a cloudy day in his area? Yeah, because that's what we've been taught now. You're gonna have to have a structure, and it's gonna eventually evolve to be just like where we are with Main Street calling.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

Yeah, because it may be this tone, but it's at this structure.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:20

Right, and and and honestly, still today and I my back my background is is Main Street calling. So you don't want structure or you don't want I don't like the fucking bullshit like the added on.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:34

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean you have to have structure to it so if you actually well if you want to judge somebody's sound, and that's what that's what competition calling is, is judging their sound.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:44

What we're saying is it goes back to opinions, and everybody knows what opinions are like. So when you get to like assholes and you have to have to have a structure. So like when they're starting to say that about cloudy days, I mean that's all opinion. So eventually it'll evolve back to where you have to have a structure, like the main street calling. So that's where when people are down on the main street calling, like as far as because it's evolved to where like I yeah, hell calls like the way they are ringing is not how you hunt, but they have to they had to develop a structure to judge it by. And so when you go to meet calling or to uh cut down, they still have a structure, it's a structure, but it's more like it's still no, I don't know. It's all still an opinion, like what you think sounds more like a duck. But until you can judge it against a criteria, it's not gonna be the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

Yeah, that's not the same.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:39

And so I'm saying like all that stuff, I I get it. I get it where other people want to. Want to do that style of stuff. Right, and there's you know, but it's gonna evolve. If it continues, it's gonna evolve to where it's gonna have to have a structure. And you're gonna have a like a main street cut down, you're gonna have a main street.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:56

I mean, you've been in the game for a long time, so you kind of know it. I'm not that old, Jackson. He's old. He's old. You just had a birthday, so eh, you're pushing it, but but I mean, you've been into it, you've been in it a lot longer than everybody else. So I mean, like not everybody, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

I'm pretty sure everybody just told me right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

Watch it. Methuselah might have been in a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Honestly, as far as the game goes, he's one of the younger guys as far as that knows the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:22

Well, yeah, but I will say, for everybody who doesn't know, John probably actually is the fucking best. What is now called the Main Street And Jackson is paid.

unknown 1:13:33

Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:37

If you listen to me, I swear to God, like whenever I was training, whenever, no, I swear to God, whenever I was trying to, before I got my jaw broke, whenever I was fucking training on Main Street, I every What are your knee pads like? Okay, fuck. Every day I would listen to John's routine that year with this feed call, and I tried, and I fucking tried, and I fucking I don't I still walk around. I cannot fucking do it. I don't know how the fuck he did it that fast. They won't admit it, but we all love John, but I fucking they were all like, go listen to him. You're training to do this, fucking listen to that. Was that it wasn't 16 worlds, it was uh 15. No, it's dude, you still got a lot of hair. You still your hair was brown brown. No, no, your hair was like actual brown, not grayish brown. It was brown.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

Now, hey, Jack didn't used to work at RD no longer, no longer.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:36

They were all like fucking listening to John do it. If you can replicate that, you'll fucking win it. So my fucking my sole job every day I would practice and I would I would try and try and I could not fucking get it. And it was pissing me off so bad. Alright, this is going to be sorry. We can cut all of this. Hey, here's the week.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

No, keep the tall salad part. Anyway. Honest, this is about the contest we were talking about earlier for call blue. This is an honest thing. So here's the thing that John threw out there. I I didn't know if he was kind I didn't know if he was serious or not. See if it so no the uh so the main I was going for the main street calls that these teams make. They get a choice from old school and new school guy to blow their calls for an extra 50 points. And I was like, no, I want to blow like one of my old calls from contest. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I want you to blow the contest calls they make. We're gonna have him and one of the newer. I'm trying to get what's the the kid that won it this year? Uh Tucker. Kyle from Bakesville. Uh yeah. So trying to get him, if I don't, I'll get a new style that won it, whether it be Seth or this or that. So we have an old school guy, we have a new school guy, and we're gonna let them blow the actual competition calls they made. No more. Look, we'll let them warm up with them and everything like that. But it it uh it's hard to adjust.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:11

Yeah, we thought that'd be a cool idea. Like, so for like bonus points, like both teams could pick between me or the guy that just won the world to blow their call and do a competition call. Oh no, I do like that idea. That's what I fucking said.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

Y'all didn't I get that?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:28

No, I you beat around that bush too hard, man. I I would not understand the fucking word.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:33

John. Hey, get a picture of the end.

unknown 1:16:36

John.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:38

But going back on the contest deal, I mean, real quick, like I still think like me calling and the cut down stuff eventually, it's gonna evolve to be back like Main Street because you're gonna have to have a lot of people. You would just have a different tone. Like I said, the first duck calling contest ever was like four or five guys that thought wanted to see who sounded more like a duck and had it on Main Street. And so it was all opinion. And then they had to have a lot of it. So it was probably more like live duck at that point. Right, but they had to have some kind of criteria because you can't as a judge, you're gonna be partial to what you like, but you have to judge it against a criteria.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

So I think that's I just think that's which is fair on judging whenever you talk about, but especially whenever you talk about competitions getting to the money pool that the competitions are at, you have to have some kind of criteria. Yeah, it's not. Because you're talking you're throwing around money at that point. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

And and like I mean, I get it, meat calling what you do, and and blowing cut downs, but Main Street to me is still still the purest uh competition. Because here's the deal it's not you're anymore, you're not judging on if you sound more like a duck, because that is that's um personal preference subjective, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:56

The only time you know if you sound like a duck is if the duck actually lands in your lap. Agreed, agreed.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

This way you have criteria and you can judge somebody on that, you know, and that's that's that's where it's gonna get to. I mean, all these other ones have started off because people are kind of like shying away from the deal. And the main street call is not so much that you sound like a duck, but it's more how you operate a duck call. And I think that's where the other ones are a bit too at a point, too. I mean, it's to see how you can operate a call from time to go from A to Z. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

You can go from A to Z. I just I like I want to put it in perspective, not to take away from anything, but where the duck calling what we know as Main Street calling originated from I mean, guys hanging out on Main Street, competing against each other, just friendly competition, yes, exactly. And so in the same way, that developed criteria and developed into what we know as main street calling now. Yeah. Cut down and meet calling is relatively new. And it is going to develop compared to that 100%. Yes. And it doesn't have the old history or the old heritage. Well, I mean, not even the old heritage, but it's just so whenever Main Street calling first got developed, there were no criteria, no rules, nothing like that. And in the same way with the cut down and with the meat calling, it's gonna develop as we're just too young to remember whenever Main Street calling first became Main Street. None of us were even born then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:39

So I got one more thing while John's in here, and before we close this out, so we've been talking earlier about the call build-off for Collapalooza. Gonna be offhand. We think we have a second round idea since it's 25 years of Daisy Cutter.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

No, no, second round idea. It's just the three call. You know what? So I we were gonna do a main street call. We're gonna do uh some kind of me call. We're gonna do a cut down. You gotta replicate the sound of a daisy cutter on the second call. Since it's 25 years of it. Not the whole shape, just the sound. That is what that is that is a wholesome. When I started making duck calls, it was everybody said, you know, especially when the full scroll stuff came out. Yeah. I mean, Daisy Cutter was the bomb. It was the duck call. If you're gonna be in the woods, Daisy Cutter, that's what you gotta have. So that's the whole thing is what he's going with is we make a main street, we do a Daisy Cutter sound for me call. You like that? As a matter of fact, we're just gonna we're gonna talk about that tonight.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:45

No, I think I think that's pretty cool. I'll tell you what, and this is uh I'm gonna put a feather in our cap. Um, but when I saw something, this has been uh probably five years ago or more, um, but people were talking about iconic duck calls. Jensen was definitely one, um Haydale's DR85 was one, and the Daisy Cutter was real shit. And to me, that was that was that was pretty cool because that's a call that we came up with. Y'all came up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so to see that in with those calls, because I mean still, I mean, you think, I mean, people I no offense on the answer now, but I mean that's called. You know, I mean that's that's that's pretty cool to see that we we did that at that point. Yeah. And then another thing I'm gonna um say just uh because I want to say it. Um don't say anything about the fucking hoax. There's a no, it's a big misnomer. Um I and this kills me when I hear the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

He's gonna dog on me right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:55

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna dog on you. Let's hear it. So flame him. I love when we hear, I don't love, actually I hate, when I hear people say, Are you blowing a cut down or a J-frame? And so um we a cut down is a J-frame. Yeah, we came up with the term J-frame, or RT did, um, because it had a J cut in a tone board and kept a cork in there. And that was our first quackhead call. And we I should have trademarked the name J-Frame. And so now people say your J-frame.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:26

Well, she could have retired by now. I mean shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:28

But you know what? They're both J-frames, because they hold a cork. Yeah. Um, so they're it's a different deal. And that just, I don't know why I'm bringing that up, but that's I just wanted to. Because I made it matter. Well, no, you said that. I've heard that a bunch of times, but they're the same call. It's a cut down old, it's it's still a J-frame. Yeah. I don't know, it has nothing to do with the way Jackson's treating his pants, but I just am saying, bro, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:53

So fat bastard. Oh I need I need you to clarify one thing. The first few years that he competed in the uh call build-off, did you wait until the night before to tell him how what they had to do? Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

Divulge what the I think we did, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:09

I think we did. Yeah, all right. So I'm just I'm just calling your bluff. I'm just making sure. I knew it was the bluff.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:16

No, that was true, John Stevens. I didn't think it was a bluff. This damn right here in this counter in this shop and said, John, go, okay, the call has to be five between five and a quarter and five point seven five inches, it's gotta have this, it's gotta have that. I put the teams together, you made the criteria. But see, I think what the thing about these what we got into this for, the guys these days for three months for the requirements. No way and practice. So we can practice. And I'm like, that's part of it. That's when I sent you that text the other day. Yeah. Where the fuck did the real men do?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:53

We want it to be more like one of those TV shows like Forge and Fire where they just off the cuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:59

I'm not gonna tell I'm not gonna tell them until maybe a week before. Maybe a week before. Part of that could be just that we're used to working that way, but um I may not at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:08

I think that's I loved it. I I mean I'm sitting over here, I'm drunk as shit trying to make a design, I'm trying to just make it a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

I think that's part of the fun of it. Even for those guys, it should be part of the fun of it. It's like you don't know. So let's just create what we can in that amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:22

I think the Gen Z people it's a whole different animal. You gotta tell them some bitches if you're gonna have sex with a couple of things. What is Zen six months?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:30

Gen Z. I don't am I a Gen Z? No, you're millennial. I'm Gen Z. Oh, we don't even know. We don't even follow that, guys. Anyway, it's a whole different situation.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

You think I'm lying? It was fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:41

This is the longest podcast we've ever done in our lives. This is an hour and 30 minutes long. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:46

Well, there's a lot of stuff that's gonna be cut. It might be an hour.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

It might be shorter than that whenever y'all actually listen to this. Hey, let's uh let's close this out with a good toast, guys. Hey, remember like, subscribe, follow us along on Instagram, all of our platforms. It's all free. You can listen free. Who's gonna close this out with a close toast? John's got it toast. John Stevens.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:08

If you ain't first or last.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:10

Here's to another 10 yeah.