Talking Pondo: Animal Factory and Get Him to the Greek

 In this episode, Marty gives Clif the movie Animal Factory to watch and Clif gives Marty Get Him to the Greek to watch.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to season two of Making Pondo and Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest. Making Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty talk to people they have worked with and discuss their experiences on set. Alright, Marty, looks like we're back again.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

We're back again. It's uh season two, episode 16, but overall it's episode 52. So congratulations on a solid years worth of podcasts at this point. Uh next week we celebrate one full year without even talking about it on the episode itself. You'll see how modest we are in the making pondo with Drew Kalen Keck episode next week. But for today, it's another talking episode. Uh talking pondo episode, that is. I'm Marty Catola, as always.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

And I am Cliff Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

And our movies today are two that I've been looking forward to for some time. It's uh the Poseidon Adventure and Go. So the wait a minute, you we did those already?

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Yeah, we did those already.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Okay, so oh oh sorry, my bad, I had it wrong. So our movies today are oh, these are these are pretty decent too. Uh My Chauffeur and Fandango. No. And so I have a lot to say. Oh no. Oh, yeah, we did record that already. Hmm. Your movie. Oh, it's it was Night of the Hunter and Before Sunrise. That's what we watched this week. No, it wasn't. Oh, so that means our movies were well, this wasn't all bad. This is weird, though. Our movies were Animal Factory and get them to the Greek. Get him to the Greek. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

There is a there is a very obvious commonality in this move in these movies.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

It's about movies. It's two movies about people that belong in jail.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Well, this folks, buckle up. This is probably going to be lively. Um okay, so let's do Animal Factory first.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Okay, Animal Factory. So uh this is from the year 2000. It directed by Steve Buscemi. Is this the first Steve Buscemi project that we've covered on the show?

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Uh as far as having him having him been direct, I think any yeah, I think this is the first thing he's been in that or had anything to do with it we've reviewed.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

That's what I was thinking. So once again, we picked the weird one to to start with.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Yeah, I wanted to say it was um, you know, oh no, we've had him in something, and this is just his first directorial type thing, but uh no, this is definitely I think the first thing we've done with him.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Since this movie also uh stars uh Danny Trejo, it felt like a a really bizarre follow-up to Spy Kids Part 2 to me, you know. But you know, before we get into the plot of the film Animal Factory, uh I I would like to say it reminds me of the film Waiting in a way. What you say, how could this remind you of Waiting? It's like, well, it's kind of like the writer had a series of true events and they just wrote all the events and we're just seeing those events happen, while as that movie's about all the real shit that happens at fast food restaurants. This is more about a series of real life type of stuff that happens in jail. Uh, you even said, Why don't we watch bad boys? Well, because we never do anything nice and easy.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

We never do.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

We have to go in.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

We always have to go back. Yeah, we always have to slide in through a back door or through a window or some shit. Never go through the front door.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

And so uh I think Danny Trejo was one of the producers on this, too. And so this is based on uh a guy that he did time with. Yeah, Edward Bunker. Edward Bunker. And so it's uh oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, he's a pretty good writer. He he he's got that uh kind of Jim Thompson um sort of feel. Jim Thompson wrote The Killer Inside Me, The Grifters. Oh I yeah, I I I found Edward uh a long time ago because I he was in he's Mr. Bloom not Mr. Brown, Mr. He's Mr. Blue, one of these one of the Mr. Dogs.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Yeah, so that's when I was like, I kind of was like, who's that dude? Why is he in the movie? It's like, oh well, he's a kind of a pulp writer. It makes sense. That's kind of what Tarantino was all about.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

So and so the story of Danny Trejo showing up on the set of runaway uh train, yeah, and somebody asking him, you know, could he help train Eric Roberts how to box? Right, it was Eddie Bunker who was like, Yeah, that's I he he's a total boxer and shit. We went we did time together, so he ran into him there, and then the rest of the. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

I didn't know it was Bunker. That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Wow. Yeah, because we heard him tell that story.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Uh Trejo, we heard Trejo tell that story about getting that job and how it changed everything for him.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

And so what is what is this movie about? What is the synopsis?

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Alright, Animal Factory from the year 2000. Um, a young man goes to prison and a tough older convict takes him under his wing as a mentor. That's the uh sort of the short version. The write-up storyline is Ron, who's young, slight, and privileged, is sentenced to prison on marijuana charges. For whatever reason, he brings out paternal feelings in an 18-year prison veteran, Earl Copen, who takes Ron under his wing. The film explores the nature of that relationship, Ron's part in Earl's gang, and the way Ron deals with aggressive cons intent on assault and rape. There's casual racism too in the prison and the guards, a strike called by black prisoners, and the whole nearly omnipresence of hard drugs. Ron's lawyer is working on getting Ron now quickly. Earl has a shot at parole, and death seems to be waiting in the next cell. Will prison turn Ron into an animal?

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Oh yeah, that's that's pretty succinct without giving away. Yeah, without giving away too much. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not like it's the I I discovered this on IFC and the early aughts, and I just thought it was just this weird kind of oddity because it it there's not a whole lot going on. You don't get to know the characters that well, but the the series of events that are going through was kind of engaging. Willem Defoe's really, you know, he's into the role and he kind of takes you along for the ride. You do have the you know, Edward Furlong looking like he's out of it for most of it is kind of a dis distraction, I will admit. But uh it shows things that you don't normally see in these type of movies. It takes a different approach, you know. A little bit, a little bit, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:12

I mean, I I I read somebody uh like I caught a blurb about somebody's review of it and they called it low-key. And I thought that's a good description of it. It's it's a low-key prison movie, right? Like, whereas American Me would be like fucking high key, kind of, you know, really fucking intense prison movie where this is more a little day-to-day, a little laid back. I mean, things still happen, but even the way it's shot, it's not shot in a very uh it, you know, he he doesn't really ramp up the intensity with his with the cameras or or blocking or anything like that or lighting. It's just kind of this is the prison, this is the guard. This is the thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

I feel like there's supposed to be a dullness to it in a way, right? Uh yeah, I could see that. Prison life can, you know, even when people are getting shanked out in the yard repeatedly, it's still kind of dull being stuck in prison for years.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

You know, my I I'm kind of one of my first notes is I'm I'm kind of worn out with the prison movies. You know, I I because I in my 20s I watched a lot of them. They were crazy to watch. You'd watch American Me and fucking all these others, and you know, and go, oh yeah, you know, oh fucking you know, the Oz television show, all that stuff. You know, Orange is the new black, you know, you've got all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

But I got to the point where I'm just like I I just like I just don't want to watch movies about people in prison. Like, I get it, prison sucks. Protect your butthole. I don't wanna I don't wanna watch it, you know. I I just not not because they're not because they're bad, it's just like I think I feel like there's I don't think that there's really much more to tell with a prison movie than what there is. What we've already gotten. Shawshank kind of fucking nailed it. Yeah let's just move the fuck on. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Well, this is another one of those actors actor movies.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

It's got a hell of a cast. I mean, fucking Jesus. Every to where you turn, there's somebody, the character actors got the fucking dude who played the cook from Vision Quest is in this motherfucker. So now I've seen now he's been in two movies that we've done on this show. He was in fucking uh The Abyss, and he's in this. Oh, okay. And I'm sure we'll do Vision Quest at some point, and he'll be in that too. I think soon he will be in that.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Once we edit him out, he's gonna be in there. Mm-hmm. I just you know the reason I kind of you know, I mildly enjoy the film. It's not like I'm raving about it or anything, but I I do like, you know, how the actors kind of dig in to the roles and you're kind of immediately thrust in the non-action, so to speak. You know, you're right into the thick of oh, what's going on? Oh, well, they're running the drugs over here, and blah blah blah. And so it's not really sl it doesn't really slow down. Its pace is pretty decent. There's a few weird spots, but I think that's intentional too.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

So yeah, I mean it's paced pretty well, I think. Um I'd agree with that. I it like there's a couple things that the movie just I like you said, you don't really get to know the characters very well. That why does the head guard worry about Earl so much? Like, why are they friendly? Yeah, you know, why is he so worried about him getting parole? Why is why is he so protective of him? Because he knows he knows he's doing drugs, he knows he's running drugs, he knows he's got a gang. He's he even confronts him about, did you kill that dude? Yet he's still like, we're gonna get you parole, buddy. And it's just like, you know, there's I feel like there needs to be more and I and maybe that's like deleted scenes or something to keep that pacing up because the pa it's 94 minutes, I think. Yeah, it is a sharp, it's it's a it and which I think was a good pace for it. Like it didn't it didn't dwell in uh a lot of the shit that you you know prison movies will dwell in. Mickey fucking roar because the as the trans or trans woman was like, holy shit, dude. Odd diversion. Great fucking job, too, I thought. You know, but he did but his character didn't do anything. Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

But I can see the obstacle for the other character, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Right, but I can see why all these character actors signed on. It's like you said, it's like, oh, okay, I can fucking dig into this.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Um that dude who does the guitar playing and singing, he's he had had a whole fucking career over uh after that. I mean he's he's still touring right now. He plays tattoo parlors and shit, and he's known for his music style and I can't remember Bobby Lebets or something like that. I think was his name. Let me look it up. Jake Labots. Um yeah, he's the guy with the slick back hair. I was like, he sounds a little too polished to just be like an actor playing a song, and sure enough, he's a musician who broke into acting that way.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Interesting. And they did use a lot of actual inmates as extras.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Do we know what prison this was in?

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Oh, I'd have to look that up again real quick. That's a good idea, though. See which one it was. I don't think it's where it says it is in the movie. I think it's like on the other side of the country, you know. Not a whole lot of uh stuff written about this one that I discovered, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Yeah, I mean either, so the whole, the whole like I mean, they spend a lot of time talking about, of course, and that's how prison is, but they spend a lot of time talking about rape, getting raped, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Another thing that it shares in common with our other film today.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Exactly. That was and that was gonna be my point, is that's the big thing they share.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

So what do you know?

SPEAKER_02 12:38

What do you know? Well, and the other thing that they share is that uh both their Edward Furlong and Jonah Hill are digitally penetrated at some point by another actor in the film. That is true.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Um there are spoilers on this program.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Tom Arnold is a really creepy fucking guy when he wants to be, and uh, I thought he played that really well.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Yeah. Okay, so it's uh it's set in San Quentin, but it was shot at Holmesburg Prison in Philadelphia. And they completed it in 30 days, and hundreds of prisoners from Kern Fromhold Correctional Facility were used in the film.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

And you're right, the Reservoir Dogs thing it says here. And it most it gets mostly, you know, not like rave reviews, but people are kind of like, yeah, all right, you know, we're maybe slightly above average. But it's one of those weird you you're flipping through the channels and the aughts and you find it on IFC, and it's like, I know all this cast, why haven't I heard this? Why would we heard this movie? And it's kind of intriguing because it feels like it's kind of going somewhere, right? It ultimately does is not as satisfying as you'd like it to be, but it does kind of pull you along for some weird ride. I the thing I always remembered the most was the whole ending, you know, the whole idea of sneaking out in the garbage truck was the thing that and I couldn't remember. I'm like, does he get mashed? What happens?

SPEAKER_02 14:10

That's that's so much of my problem with this movie.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Um ridiculous, but it's I've never seen that before, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

This the movie is this movie is basically about this kid making one bad decision and then being forced into other bad decisions and then finally making a choice to make even more bad decisions. Yeah. Because like, look, I get it. You're not gonna get your sentence, you know, redone because the fucking you know, you're hanging out with these dudes who are protecting you and they're keeping your butthole intact, but at the same time, they're bad dudes, they run drugs, they they kill people, and you're part of that gang. That's how the prison system sees you. So that's how they report you to the judge, and that fucks up your chance to get your sentence adjusted. And now you gotta do five years, but to to escape prison and just be a fucking few because you're just gonna go if you you get caught for any reason, you go back to prison with more fucking time.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

I'm going down to the the parrot farm, they'll never find me again.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yeah, I'm going down to fucking Swataneho, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And fucking, you know, but it's like, yeah, he was that close.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

It seems like a very good fucking choice to me.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

And then the uh the Defoe tries to talk him down about don't go and kill that guy right now. I know you want to, but and ultimately he still ends up making choices where it was like, no, he was already, you know, they say does it turn you into the animal? It's like, well, you were the animal before you went in there already, because all you were were a pot was a pot dealer, which is kind of funny looking at that now, how that wouldn't even be a thing, you know. With everything being legalized, that's not the crime that it once was a quarter of a century ago.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

Well, it's still in some states, it still is. Like I can't, I still I get it in this day and age that people are doing time for marijuana is insane.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Um this is described as neo-noir. Does you see that? I never thought of that.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

I just thought it didn't feel neo-noir to me. I mean, you know, I look at I I think Bushimi did a good job with the film, um with what he had to work with. It was an interesting, it was an interesting take on a prison movie. Like I said, it you know, it it does a lot of the standard prison shit. You know, I'm gonna rape your butthole and gotta shank somebody, all the kind of standard stuff. But you know, there was there were some twists in there, you know. I mean, for a while, because you know, I I I was my first two questions were when is this kid gonna get it? When is somebody gonna get a hold of him? And then the second one was when is somebody gonna kill Will and Defoe? Because it seemed really obvious to me that Defoe was gonna die at some point. Right. Um he didn't, which was which was an interesting twist. Um and then just to see the kid, you know, escape and him not be able to go with him was was uh uh good good ending, I thought. I just think it was just I I don't think the kid's motivation and I don't think um Willem Defoe's character did him any favors by making him a fucking an escaped convict on the run from the law.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Like what the fuck? Now you're now you really are forever in the criminal world. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

That's why I say it reminds me of uh waiting in a way, where it's just a series of events, and it's also like, hmm, how do we end this movie? Is one way of looking at it. Right. Another way is I have this story about the guy who snuck out in the garbage truck, and we won't put this in the movie, so let's just like all the other random transitions, let's just, you know. And so to look at it as a straight narrative is kind of bizarre. But if you look at it as a series of different things that happen to different people, like myths of of prison time.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Yeah, but that's I mean, but unfortunately, that's not how the movie's presented to us, it's presented to us as a linear story about a kid who goes into prison, right? Oh, yeah, but you know, yeah, uh I get I get what you're definitely get what you're saying, and and I have a book of his short stories, I think. Um context is everything, but it's either dog eat dog or death row breakout.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Um was that interesting when you started the movie up and you were like, oh, it's this person?

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Like did that Yeah, I mean I I I the two things that I that made me very hopeful was A, it was 94 minutes, and then B, I I I figured out it was Edward Burke, and then the last part was like, Oh, okay, there's a shit ton of fucking good actors in this. Like, there's a lot of good actors in this film. Character actors, just good character actors. Everywhere you turn is another good character actor.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Oh true. Yeah. Um just nothing but character actors, the movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Yeah, I mean you've got Willem Defoe and Furlong, they're the leads, but you've got Mark Boone Jr. who goes on to do a bunch of stuff later, Danny Trejo, Seymour Cassell, who's the the head guard, Mickey fucking roar, Mickey fucking roar. Uh Edward's dad is John Hurd, for Christ's sake. He got Tom Arnold. Um, and then you know, you've got a whole cast of uh supporting characters in there, including um Bushimi's brother. As soon as Bushimi's brother was on cam on camera, I was like, that's Bushimi's brother. Looks just like him. Looks just like him.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Well, it's back around that time period where they could pull up a budget enough to make these things and not worry about, you know, we're just making it because we won't want to make it. We feel like it's a a good movie to do and we want to work together. And it's so it's so much harder to do that now.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

You can still do it, but it's three and a half million estimated, and it made forty-five thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Yeah. They probably weren't expecting a big theatrical run, though.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Yeah, kind of second and third window type stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Yeah. Well, I see Andrew Stevens is one of the producers, the son of Stella Stevens, who was in the Poseidon Adventure. And Andrew Stevens did a bunch of uh B movies in the 80s and 90s, a lot of the Skinemax. He's also Monkey, he's also in Manchi. The uh movie on MST. So I saw that name. I'm like, oh, yeah, there's good old Andrew Stevens. You know, he he's like uh another Roger Corman type school of filmmaking.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yeah, it's uh it's um it's an interesting film. Yeah, it's not one I would watch again, probably.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

I think forget about it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

It's a novelty. Um it's a you know, decently made novelty.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Then every decade I rewatch it to remind myself, did he get crushed in the trash? Am I remembering this wrong? No, he gets away. He he does the Star Wars maneuver with this metal bar, and they were both gonna jump in the truck, you know, but it was like uh two metal bars. Yeah, it's like uh what what are you gonna do? This this he lives there, right? He runs the place. So back to the it's it's like the ending of one of our unproduced scripts, and then then the chef just goes back to work and the cycle starts over and over again, you know. What is him and Danny Trejo gonna get up to next?

SPEAKER_02 21:17

You know, that's just not a great ending.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

But I like seeing you know the typewriter and stuff, and you're like, look how old this is. Year 2000 is still using fucking typewriters to do the reports. Like, there's so much of that that I wonder how much of that in prison life has changed now because of the advent of computers and stuff. And would you have the dude who's such a favored person allowed to type up all the reports? And but it's not it's not, you know, go back and retype the piece of paper, it's on the computer now. So I don't know. It's Animal Factory 2.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

One of the things that the movie kind of glosses over is like I mean, it it it does talk about the drug trade, but it doesn't talk about the trade and just like contraband that that prisoners do, you know, I mean everything from food to you know could be you know damn near anything uh in the system in the system it's uh I thought that you know it's also you don't really see the inmates much like you know like living their lives like a lot of them you know a lot of them had addressed their yeah they had their rooms and their personal belongings and shit like that. And so it was it was interesting but it was it didn't feel lived in.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Like it felt it felt very much like they put people into a prison that was either uh closed or run down. It didn't feel like people lived there. It just felt like they were actors on a on a set right well didn't feel very very drured I guess is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Well when we get the bad boys one day the Sean Penn movie not the the cop movie uh we might watch that one day too but that has nothing to do with this other than the title we'll compare and see if that one feels more lived in having because I haven't watched that in a long time that's I remember that I remember that being a very rough movie. But then you get let down somewhere in act three I remember there was this feeling of oh something didn't pay off so not anytime soon but maybe eventually I could see that happening bad boys from 1983 this one so anything else on this one uh no I I don't I don't have much else I um I think that guy should have waited to get his thing stamped instead of uh crossing the line and getting getting killed for it yeah that's true um I'll slit his throat right now so he won't talk and they didn't and then he was talking and it was like oh everything gets fucked up just weird domino effect things yeah yeah shower razoring was a bit weird I don't want to get I don't want to be cut by a razor when I'm in the shower that's reminded me of Eastern Promises. Oh god I forgot about that yeah and it's before Eastern Promises too yeah well we haven't even done a Cronenberg yet well all in time this movie's body horror in a way both of these movies you could consider them body horror I think uh for me this is a this is probably a two-star movie yeah I I give it two and a half for its uh weird swing but yeah I'm right there with you an oddity I found a copy of it a few months ago and I hadn't seen a copy for a long time and I was like this is just weird enough that let's just let's just do this one right now because nobody knows what this movie is yeah I I remember I I've I have seen it before I when when I was about halfway through the movie I'm watching Mickey Rourke in the bunk while he's doing his nails and I'm like I've seen this before you're like I've seen this how can you forget that it does feel like all his scenes were shot at the same time right because when they cut back it's like even the same angles and I'm like I get it I know what you're doing you know we probably had one day with them but well and you don't ever see Mickey with the rest of the other actors the only time you basically see him is with Furlong that's it that's basically it um okay so yeah two stars and uh yeah that's right so our second movie today is another documentary it's from uh the year 2010 it's called Get Him to the Greek it wasn't didn't start out as a documentary but over time it has managed to transgress to look I'll say it's it's not a bad film but it might be the cringiest film of all time just based on the people who are in the film in you say we'll separate the art from the artist I can separate the Hindenburg from the disaster let's do this today as we go through get him to the Greek what is this movie?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Um well get him to the Greek uh hang on just a second so it first off it's a kind of a sequel to Forgetting Sarah Marshall they they bring the characters in particular Alda Snow uh from Forgetting Sarah Marshall into Get Him to the Greek and they do this movie uh which is a record company in turn is hired to accompany an out of control British rock star Alda Snow to a concert at the LA's Greek theater that's the that's the basic plot and here's the storyline. English rock star Elda Snow relapses into drugs and booze after a breakup in a disastrous record. In LA Aaron Green works for a record company stuck in a recession Aaron's boss gives him a career making task to bring Aldus from London to LA for a concert in 72 hours that day Aaron's girlfriend Daphne tells him she wants to finish her medical residency in Seattle Aaron sure this Aaron is sure this ends his relationship with her so in London things aren't much better. Aldus delays their departure several times applies Aaron with vices and alternates between bad behavior and trenchant observations. Can Aaron moderate Aldus's substance abuse and get him to the Greek what about Daphne so yeah well so you know people talk about porkies revenge of the nerd entourage get him to the Greek says here hold my beer shit you're absolutely right about and look at they talk about those holy shit don't watch this movie this is fucking coming out of this is coming out of the apatau apitau time from about what I think when did when did um the 40 year old virgin come out was it like 2005 couple years before this yeah I think it was 2005 or something hang on just a second better example of this type of humor before yeah it was 2005 and he he kind of had a grip on on comedies especially these raunchy comedies yeah um this is and you know fucking um uh what's the fucking one with um oh Christ oh the hangover the hangover is the highest rated you know highest grossing R-rated comedy of all time but before that it was 40 year old virgin and some others and um well those are kind of the type of humor this is this is Siegel this is Jonah Hill this is uh Appitow is on set while this was being shot you know um so it's it's kind of in that it comes out it springs out of that production the that production ship it's like so I I expect it to be fucking raunchy basically is what I'm saying. It's it's going to be offensive and it's going to really push the boundaries.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

But what it does that's different than those movies is those movies are actually like well structured and thought out and and funny and they do it in a way that's completely offensive but hilarious you know they hit on a lot of the good marks this is like after you've hit that high water mark and all the clones start coming out and they're like as bad or if not worse than some of their own clones as far as the raunchy factor goes I blame things like that vacation reboot where the humor's just more about the gross out than the right and so but this was still in that time period where it was acceptable right it's not like there's intentional fallacy all over the place here as to why it's so cringy I think because it aged so fast that type of humor then we kind of shifted gears from it.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

And so this and a few others are these after that time period of 40 year old virgin relics of the what the fuck were they thinking I think I I think I think that the people I I I think it definitely aged I think part of the problem with this movie is Russell Brand and fucking Diddy being in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah things about Jonah Hill and there's many other members too asking at so asking them asking uh the audience at this point who's been through all this shit to kind of do the whole separation you know of art from artist is going to be tough for some people. But it's so hard in this movie where all of Diddy's dialogue completely fucked up yeah it's the biggest challenge of this ever and yet I still think the movie's got some funny parts if you can extrapolate all that and some of the rapiness of the movie for God's sakes Jesus Christ this movie's like date rape the movie in in a fashion where it's like well you took advantage of me film I was not expecting other things too but you know you just when you think you're safe I'm like okay maybe the movie won't do anything anymore and we'll just do a little thing and they go on their adventure right and no then then it does things like throws Ricky Schroeder at you and there's all these things along where you're just like oh my god that's the guy who helped bail out Kyle Rittenhouse not to get political on here but for fuck's sake one thing after the other after the other has not aged well right you see NCs and sorry he doesn't have a great reputation and you know like like I said earlier separate the art from the artist but when it's the most canceled people all together in one film then I don't I some I used to go, well and I still do say you can't throw away one a whole movie a bunch of people worked on that just because one person was fucked up and then you get here and you go um there's a lot of people doing questionable things and it's hard hard I I it should exist but this might be the first movie that I'm gonna tell the audience don't watch that we've first off I don't other than other than Diddy nobody's been canceled Russell Brand still works he's not canceled Jonah Hill's not canceled yeah but there's you know these people it's it's not a it's not a it's not a case of Kevin Spacey you know it's it's not a Harvey Weinstein I mean I I I'm not defending these people and what they've done I'm just saying so far they're still working.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

It just makes me cancel being canceled means you don't fucking work.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

It makes more of a jaw drop having to watch the movie through your eyes going oh my god I to me to me I don't know I think that it uh fuck it kind of almost makes the movie better. Well you maybe the movie is weak I'd never seen it before so all I have is deny the movie the movie is about complete degenerates and and you know in the music business and yeah in a way it might be of almost famous you know don't make friends with him he made friends because he had no choice and then they go off on their crazy adventure.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

Yeah so I I thought there are some genuine laughs though it's a couple things it's it's just crazy starting the video with African child is is a way to kind of set the tone you know you know what you're getting into this is just that's that's you know you're getting that's it's it's it's this artist who's so oblivious and so out of fucking touch with anybody anything that he goes and he makes this awful African child album you know and he's his I I thought Rose uh uh Rose Byrne is that is that Rose Byrne his wife yeah she was great she really leaned into the role of being just kind of fucking just out of control.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Well it's also the example of like the humor they did well in 40 year old virgin by the time you get up to this point it's that aunt's humor that it's so trapped in amber when you look at it now.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

This is my joke this is my joke joke joke joke joke by the way joke is my asshole you know how many times have we seen that same joke right and they slammed different versions of that over and over and over again yeah yeah she sings a song about her super tight asshole it's it's uh yeah it's it like my note says same joke you know my note says perfect oblivious rock star aka bonno that's why I'm watching this African child video and then my next note is and then she sings a song about her super tight asshole Jesus and it's underline Jesus is just underlined um and then I and then every time we get to this always cracks me up because every time we get to meeting the girlfriend I'm like I forget fucking Elizabeth Moss in this movie like you know and she she's a pretty good actress was in Mad Men and all that shit so I was just like what the fuck is she doing in this? It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Oh man it's um yeah it's rough guys it's rough you know one of my first notes was oh no and one of my other notes was I guess it was worth watching just to know where that meme came from where Jonah Hill's doing the thing yeah yeah the Mars Bolt was and I'm like oh that's this movie okay um worst thing for Africa since apartheid is a great line um uh Diddy screaming we got to thicken the stream always did anything doing anything fire behind him going this is the music industry it's like oh my god giving Diddy's character giving people drugs and then manipulating those characters to do things for him like various sexual bidding or otherwise it is fucking a hard watch man yeah well it's it's uh it's uh it's not the kind of it's one of those things where I really believe that Jason Siegel was like we'll write this wild person this would never happen in the business and now here it is yeah 14 years later and it's like it's the intentional because how do you you you're just trying to make another outrageous thing and then all the pieces came into play to where what oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Well it was just it was just ever it was more just Diddy like the fact that the character that he played in that fucking movie weirdly was a lot of like kind of how he was I don't know and look I mean people knew about Diddy parties for a while I don't know if Jason wrote that in there like that himself but I mean did he agree to play it so I fuck I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

It almost feels like he made up his own dialogue just say whatever you want P. Diddy and yet he has some of the funnier lines in the movie uh when he gets hit by the car and he's like I got hit by a car and I'm still making the call where are you you know yeah yep but then the movie can you feel my dick fucking your mind I'm I'll mine fucking the shit out of you right now. I'll mind fuck people which is also like oh no oh no and then and then it's like you get to the end of the movie and then you know oh he's he's Russell uh brand is sober you know and oh and you guys are my friend even though I basically sexually assaulted both of you we're all friends now for me the that is fucking rough man chasing is no longer the most weird idea of a threesome on a movie that's just forget it that's that's child's play this is just totally like this is why I call it date rape the movie me I'm taking that from somebody else's review but it felt very apt because after that you just feel dirty it was like oh no movie why did you oh man I mean I know what you're doing movie but god damn that's that's just kind of I I I've never enjoyed that scene I for me it's it's the scene in the movie it makes it makes it hard to like doesn't make it character even on a silly way I know I know the movie's not supposed to be serious in that way but it's just like oh shit man I thought you were gonna let up movie and here we are in act three and yeah I I thought when he went out on stage and he had that broken arm I thought he was gonna croak on stage.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Yeah I would have been like that could have been an interesting ending yeah but then you don't get your happy ending with Aaron so no um consider one of my favorite one of my favorite scenes in the in the movie is the uh the stuff with Colmey uh who right right now that's some of the good stuff the dad shows up enough there's a good movie hiding yeah weird things it's just hidden behind some pretty terrible behind some ac actors who turned out to be pretty terrible people it and now I'm seeing memes like of the Diddy chasing the two of them down the hallway and shit. Yeah we go see that's that's probably my favorite that's probably my favorite scene in the movie and I stole that kind of that line for one of our films the Kubrickan line. Oh my god yeah yeah I love that word I love the usage of it so I thought I'm gonna stick Kubrickan in my movie and we did but but I mean it wasn't it wasn't a nod to to get him to the Greek it was more just a nod to I you know I love the word usage I thought it was cool here on Talking Pondo Cliff and I give each other movies that have inspired ourselves that the other person hasn't seen yet and then years after we made a movie we go that's where you found that thing from okay it's good to know it's good to know where Kubrick in because somebody might go oh get him to the Greek and I'd be like what your movie Kubrick and I would be like what I never saw that what are you talking about? Yeah so yeah but yeah I love that I do love the coming soon I do love there's there's a moment where he's chasing him and they're running down the hallway and they bust out of the hotel and it's in slow motion and and Russell Brand's just got this look of pure joy on his face like like you know he's having the best day of his life and it always makes me laugh because I feel like it's very it's a very well done kind of character moment of this guy who's just like fuck yeah I'm being chased by a record producer with my buddy I'm going towards a show this is fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

We may even die woo you know and he's it's the insane almost famous yeah yeah it's the yeah kinda um in the 80s are considered cringe you all need to do yourself a favor and watch this if you think although American pile that that's you know um I love the I love the champion of the of that stuff now I think I love Jonah Hill running around trying to get the lyrics for African child he's just yeah he's he's all fucked up and he's puked and he's meeting the people on the Today show I thought that was good stuff. It made me think on it on a total geeky level could you google lyrics in 2010? Or was was that still like a primordial thing? You know probably the cell phones weren't as easy they're they weren't the cell phones yeah the browsers were a bit more probably a little bit more than primordial back then. Yeah the iPhone maybe the it's just weird early iPhones have just come out right because you see their phones in the movie and it's like oh look at I always like seeing those old phones and movies from the aughts and stuff because it's like look how fast that changed and yet that movie was shot at that time so those particular phones are in there.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

I do I do very much like the absinthe scene um I like the music choice the turtles I like the whole thing I thought it was fucking funny. Why is Moby whipping us?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Um you know it has it's it has the some laughs here and there strangely enough it's just it's just wrapped in all this like yeah you know if you had seen it when it was brand new there wasn't anything attached to it that's weird. Right. You know I'm not saying is Twilight Zone the movie or something where it's you know but it's like this definitely has a strange dark cloud that's attached to it now that's really kind of I completely agree.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

That that image that that backlit image on the screen of him pulling those drugs out of Jonah's ass is just like wow like you guys really went for it. You know that's just yeah yeah but yeah I mean it's the why do you call it a Jeffrey is uh you know that's fucking good shit.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

But yeah I I I And then he comes out he's oh I think I just got raped and we're playing it all for laughs and it's like oh man I know you're trying to go for your distasteful but yeah just based on everything else it's just like this perfect shit show. And I know I'm the the way described it sounds like I gotta watch this and it's like well don't say I didn't warn you you know if you have a high if you can have a high tolerance for that you can make it through or maybe you can find a a compilation reel of all of Diddy's dialogue on YouTube and that might be a yeah that might be for you I I mean I I I wouldn't say again separate do your best separate the art from the artist watch the film I I don't I think it's when there's things like I I just wish he wouldn't have you know violated you know the girlfriend towards the end even though the whole he was fucking around too but the whole situation of the well she was she was into it he comes over and says let's have a threesome and she's like let's do that shows up and then he helps he's his job as as a decent person which he is not is to not do that but then it goes all the way up to like oh my god it almost it almost happens and then try to diffuse it with you know he kisses him and you know like haha we're back to but it's just like movie no I I oh my god you're you're yeah I'm really pushing some boundaries there it's just kind of rough and it makes me not like the character anymore if I didn't even already but it was just like if I no if nothing weird had even happened to anybody who made the movie I'd still have weird issues with I get why you did that but at the same time maybe handle that particular scene a little different you know I don't know but it does it does make it uh extra cringe up to the end I will give it that yeah my note says the three way scene is awkward

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Weird and very unnecessary. It's kind of creepy and kind of and and uh yeah. It's uh it it's the last half of the movie where it falls apart. I feel like it starts strong, it gets going. You know, Russell's character is is an ass who immediately takes Jonah over, smells the inexperience, and immediately starts, you know, well, let's we'll take the next flight, rebook it. I want to get drunk. Okay, well, I you know, I don't want to do this. Here, carry my drugs, you idiot.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

You know, he tells him honestly how he feels about the music.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

That was a goods him honestly, yeah, how he feels about African child, and he's like, fuck you. You know, he just goes off on it.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

I respect you for telling me, but I'm upset at you for telling me.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

And then I I feel like it it starts to stumble, picks itself back up again when they get to Vegas and they meet his dad and all that shit. And then after that, the other part about the Vegas thing that I don't like is where he's like, You spilled my medicine, you gotta sort me out. And Jonah Hill just goes down to the front desk and goes, Do you have Mr. H-E-R-O-I-N staying here?

SPEAKER_00 45:09

You know, and they end up Oh yeah, there's moments.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

He ends up in like a fast and a furious car, and you know, the guy gets stabbed. And it's what the hell is this? You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

It's just like I kept trusting the movie over and over again, and it kept they kept uh fucking with me over and over. It's like, oh, we have more moments for you to go. Oh my god. You were even gonna mention Dennis Quaid at one point.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

Yeah. Um, I do like the concert at the end and all that. It's fine. I don't have much of a problem with that.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Um, by then the movie's over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Yeah. The golden god thing on top of the roof into the pool has been done.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Yeah, they didn't know how to end it, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

And I thought, oh, well, if he broke his arm, you know, he's gonna die on stage, right? And that would be the fitting ending, right? Because it's like that makes up for him being like this double piece of shit, and he becomes a legend at that point. I'm writing a different movie, see.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Have you seen um uh Forgetting Sarah Marshall?

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Yeah, and boy, what a different tone.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Well, it's still it I so early on that early on in the movie, there's that scene where she comes home and he comes out naked into the living room, and she's like, You need to sit down, you need to talk. And he's he starts crying. That that's probably one of the most funny, uncomfortable things I've ever seen. And I think they he tried to do that again with the three-way and it just failed.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Oh god, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 46:37

Like where you're like, oh my god, stop crying, put your fucking clothes on, and you can't but you can't stop laughing at the same time, and the three-way just didn't work like that at all.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

No, because the other the three-way is some awkward, weird, like I I can't believe that got all the way up to the filming stage type thing where somebody doesn't go, wait a minute, maybe you consider doing this instead. But that scene in the Sarah Marshall movie you're mentioning, it has such a realism and a heart to it. That's why it works, because it feels like, oh yeah, it's almost too hitting the nail on the head. There's a lot of emotion involved. Well, as there's still a lot of emotion in today's movie, but oh my. You know, I didn't think I was watching, you know, that exploitation film. I guess if you look at it from that point of view, you can be ready for these type of things, and what you thought was just a gonna be a little adventure, you know, he's just gonna get into the Greek, right? He's got to go play a show, and there's a lot more to it than that, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

So$40 million budget,$92 million gross worldwide. So that was a hit.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Oh, made a lot of money. It was of its time, yeah. I remember warning. And now having seen it for the first time this last week, given the recent turn of events, is just like, oh my, talk about intent intentional fallacy. This movie has turned into something completely different now. It's it's not as like watching Naked Gun, because those are movies where people actually, you know, involved that there was there was death involved. This is just more like, what the fuck happened? We don't know, we might not never know. It might be some weird shit, might be shit you don't want to know, but oh my, if it turns out that it's really bad, and then you go back and you listen to the dialogue in this film, which I won't even repeat on the fucking show because it's so weird out of context, but you'll just you know, maybe maybe you if if you're of the ilk, maybe you should see for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

I mean, if you like raunchy movies, if you like, if you like those type of movies, if you if you like raunchy offensive movies, this is probably gonna be right up your alley. Uh assuming that you can separate, you know, the whole Diddy and Russell Brand thing. It might be some extra raunchy to you. It might be, yeah, you might be finding that even funnier. I don't know. I mean, people's sense of humor are wild. So um but I do think it's a well-crafted movie. It looks good. Um, the music's not too too terrible, they don't do too much of it to drive you away. Uh again, Roseburn is hilarious. There's a fuckload of cameos in the movie, including Lars Ulrich, Katie Perry, a bunch of others.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

Yeah, it's it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

It's it's uh yeah. I mean, it look, I'm not fucking putting it down for any Academy Awards, but you know, it and again, I think it falls apart in the last half. It it it does alright. Um I heard that fucking uh uh um who was it? It was uh Ebert or Siskel? Which one was it?

SPEAKER_00 49:51

Oh, one of them gave it a good review, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 49:54

He gave it like three, yeah, it was Ibert, gave it three out of four stars. Yeah. He says, uh, you know, uh under the cover of the slapstick, cheap laughs, raunchy humor, and sheer exploitation, get into the Greek is also a fundamentally sound movie. And I kind of agree with that to a certain extent. Like I it's it's a it it looks good, it moves, it's it does what it's supposed to. Um the filmmakers obviously know what they're doing, but it's it's you're right, it hasn't it hasn't aged well.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

But there's some interesting choices, we should say, that even if there hadn't been scandal with the people involved, this movie still would have aged horribly for certain things that are in it, I think. And so when you add all of that, that just happened to be the movie that has all this on top of it, really makes it an interesting film to for the show. And I understand why we had it because we watched my chauffeur, right? And then it it kind of, you know, I was like, hey, that scene reminds me of that movie I never saw about where the person has to get the person to the show to play a show.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Person to the show, and I've never seen that, so let's watch it.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

And you know what? I'm not gonna play that song because that song's terrible. I'm gonna play that good song that you told me that you liked, and then everybody's all into it, right? Um when he's on that uh today show. Yeah, today's show. Wasn't there scandal at the today's show?

SPEAKER_02 51:16

The clap. He sings the clap on the today show. Yeah, when they say one of the other lines is up, tell the tell the West Coast we've got to trim the balls.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

I mean, Matt Lauer's not in this movie, but wasn't he on the today's show? Yeah. Oh my god, there's just too much, too many reminders of things every five or ten minutes. It's like a drinking game. You can look for the cancelled thing or the cringe item if you want to play that way. And then it this might become a strange midnight cult hit where people view the film differently. I uh things that were funny are for funny for different reasons now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

I uh I cr, you know, I I I take my hat off to to Siegel and Nick Stoller, the director, and he was the other writer on it for getting it done. Um it must have been I mean I I assume it's a movie. I assume the way they got it done was writing the coattails of of Apatau and for and also forgetting Sarah Marshall.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

I was like, we can make this pretty much make a sequel and just put the put a pop put a package in the box, and there's the product, and there you go. And then strangely enough, it's just I think the production was fine. I don't think there was any issues when they were shooting it. It's just the weird life that this particular people work on. It's the life that the people who worked on it. Yeah, very, very weird.

unknown 52:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Apparently they shot the live stuff, the live concert stuff that at the end at some of a couple of Russell Brand's um performances that he was doing in his his comedy shows. Which I found interesting.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Yeah, I thought this was gonna be a light fun movie like The Rocker or something. And boy, I was swiped.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

It is, like I said, it's just the fucking people.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Well, there's elements that are really nasty.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Yeah, it's for the movie format. Well, and the rocker's definitely for the tweens. This is this was not for tweens, this is an adult R-rated comedy. Yeah, you know, this is I mean, you're not gonna, you know, you yeah. Again, not not defending the people in it or what they did or anything like that, nor nor really the movie. I think it I think it like I agree with you, it hasn't aged well. I remember enjoying it. I remember enjoying it when it came out. I I really dug a lot of that Apatow humor back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

Well, it was playing at that time. You're you're coming off that crescendo of all that.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Yeah. I also have affection for it because it played at my movie theater.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

So that's true.

SPEAKER_02 53:48

Um when I was running a movie theater. So I would any movie that I remember that played at theater, I probably have a weird affection for it, which includes a lot of movies that are not really good. Um, so I'm I'm assuming you're giving it like one star.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Uh my rating for this is is very weird. You know, I would go back and forth, but uh I'm I give it a two, leaning towards a half. Because it's a well-made movie and it's got some funny parts, but overall there's some parts for me where I'm like, oh god. But compared to some of the other movies that I've genuinely not liked overall, but yeah, I can't say this is worse than those. This is actually because it's a better made movie, and it actually made me laugh a few times. It has it has something going, it's just kind of rotten in parts. It's not really for me. So I give it the two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Uh I I kind of feel the same way about it. It's a you know, I I probably sounded like I was defending it a bit. Uh and again, I I was because I'm like, look, I I get what spoiled it, but it is well, yeah, I don't think production production-wise, look-wise, comedy-wise, it did it did some good things. It was and it's a well-made movie. You know, it's it's like uh Hopper said, right? Like it takes as much effort to make a good movie as a bad movie.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

I just don't think they sat down and went, oh, Russell Brown's character can assault both of them sexually and it's gonna be ha ha. I don't even think they even realized until you make the movie and you watch it and you go, oh god, that plays so differently, maybe than how even we thought it was playing when we shot it, or I don't know. These are my you know, just trying to figure out how how how we got to that point, you know. But it happens. Well, I I I mean I know he definitely violates the worst things in the movie, but it's just he definitely violates Jordan Hill. You don't for sure expect it to in in the movie like this, I thought, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah, I'll go, I'm gonna go two and a half.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

All right.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I think it's just kind of a middle-of-the-road comedy. I don't think I I you know uh out of the Apatown movies, this would be a lower on the list. I would recommend that you watch the 40-year-old virgin or or uh you know knocked up or something like that and enjoy that rather than that.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Quickly after this, yeah. Yeah, they the movies got they ramped up the gross factor to where I stopped watching a lot of the newer comedies. And then I think eventually it just kind of that broke, and then they stopped making because people are like, where are the adult comedies? and it's I think they're coming back more the way of what was that Jennifer Lawrence one, no hard feelings. I haven't seen it, but I feel like that's our next we're gonna go that route maybe for that type of humor. Is that is that a good approximation when I've not seen the film?

SPEAKER_02 56:30

I I mean I saw it and I I felt like it was it it had a lot of those echoes from this type of comedy. But but like the now version, though, like the now version, exactly. Yeah, like they've they've gone and taken it and and and done the next evolution, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

And it went away for a little bit, but now it's kind of back. And there's also movies like the Holdovers now, too. So just go watch that one again. You'll feel you'll feel better about yourself, maybe. Or maybe you'll feel worse. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

The whole I'm I'm just I'm striking out this season. Like, I haven't given you anything you've enjoyed. I mean, I know at least this one wasn't this was weird. Painful to watch.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

Yeah, it wasn't completely painful to watch. I this is an oddity that needed to be explored. I I understand why this was brought up, yeah. Right. It's like, look at this fossil I found. Holy shit. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

Look at this terrible fossil I found.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

You see why this one extinct, because it was doing this and this.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

So what do you got for me next week?

SPEAKER_00 57:31

Oh, okay. So next week, uh okay, uh as we get go through the next few months, I'm I'm getting you some of my back catalog movies that I've been wanting to get to from season one. And uh, you know, uh how am I gonna segue this? Uh I couldn't have used this segue if I'd given you this movie way back in season one because none of this had happened yet. But speaking of uh reviews and that the whole John Carpenter letterboxed thing or some fake John Carpenter, those were pretty funny. Yeah, that was fucking hilarious, dude. So it's like, okay, well, let's finally go back to some John Carpenter here. Uh your movie next time is Assault on Precinct 13 from 1976. So, yes, I'm giving you another pseudo prison movie as kind of like a follow-up, but this is just one I've been wanting to get to since we watched Darkstar. Not the remake. Is Ethan Hawk in the remake? Did I am I right about that? Uh I'm not giving you Ethan Hawke version. I'm giving you the original kind of gritty. I remember it feels more it's a siege movie, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:43

Yeah, it feels more like hawk and Lawrence Fishburn. It is a siege movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

I I remember liking it. I remember it's kind of a slow burn, but you see a lot more of his it's not Darkstar. It's like he's figuring out right before Halloween. So I figure, yeah, okay, that's time. Let's let's give that one a spin.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

All right. Well, cool. That's uh I've seen that. Uh it's been a long time though. I think it's probably been a decade since I've seen that, so that'll be a fun watch. Um I'm going to give you, I don't think you've seen this movie. Um I'm I'm dropping a lot of blind picks on for you this season because I'm your reactions on some of them have been fucking hilarious. Um my god. Um so I'm gonna give you Ghost Dog Way of the Samurai.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

I've never seen it, but I know it. Yeah, it's a Jim Jarmouche film.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Yeah, very polarizing.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

Yeah, Rizza from um Wu Tang Clan does the soundtrack. I think it's a very superb hip-hop soundtrack because it's not like most hip-hop soundtracks. It's it's really lending to the atmosphere of the film in a way that I don't think I've ever seen a hip-hop soundtrack do before. Um, so I'm interested to see what you think about it.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Yeah, I've I've always heard it's either a brilliant classic or it's laughably bad. So it's gonna be interesting to uh that's why I'm interested to see what you think.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

It's Jim Jarmouche. And so you either like Jarmouche or you don't. Yeah, so it's you know, a night on earth I kind of liked. There's some others that he's done that I like, but he's also got some real misses for me, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:17

So going into somebody's catalog through the weird entrance once again. And we start.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

Well, it's forrest Whitaker starring, so it's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

My my birthday buddy, I'm not the same age, but we're both July 15 people. So and it's not fast times. We did this one instead, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

Yeah. We'll get there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

Sooner than we realize, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

All right, so next week it's uh Assault on Precinct 13 and Ghost Dog The Way of the Samurai.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

1976, Assault on Precinct 13.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

All right, we gotta thicken that stream.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

Yeah, this this is my prison after all.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

All right, man, till next week. Later. Later.