Talking Pondo: Scream 2 and Jason X

 In this episode, Marty gives Clif the movie Scream 2 to watch and Clif gives Marty the movie Jason X to watch.

Clif and Marty kick off spooky season with a double dose of ’90s/early-2000s chaos: Jason X and Scream 2. First, the guys launch Jason Voorhees into space, where the CGI is questionable, the kills are creative, and Clif recounts the Space Chimps mask incident that nearly caused a mall-wide panic.

Then it’s back to college with Scream 2, as they dig into Jada Pinkett’s memorable opener, the never-ending “rules” of horror sequels, and the legendary script leak that forced the movie into rewrite purgatory. Along the way: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Timothy Olyphant at peak Oly-phantasticness, and the eternal question of how is Ghostface somehow everywhere and nowhere at once?

Fun, fast, mildly unhinged. Just the way spooky season should be.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Off to cripple him. Like that's what I've always been like. Somebody just cripple his legs so he can't run after you, you know.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

It's only a flesh wound. It's only a flesh wound. They blow him up in part nine, but that's when we discover that little worm demon thing goes into another body. And then you get a really disturbing scene that's kind of like Young Blood, where Jason shaves a full-grown man. Maybe we'll get to this movie one day. Maybe not. But it would be quite some time. Hey, guys.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Welcome to season three of Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

Chris Rock gets slapped by Jason Voorhees at the Oscars, will not be seen this week, so we may bring you the following scream of an episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:10

I would I wish it had been Chris Rock being smacked by Jason. Have you seen Will Smith trying to revive his music career? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

That was embarrassing. Good God, that's rough. And yeah, watching today's movie, one of today's movies, unfortunately, I immediately had the thought of get your wife's name out your motherfucking mouth or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

Oh, because she's in the literally in the first fucking 10 minutes of that fucking movie? Yeah. You can't you can't think of it. I can't look at either one of them now without thinking about it. Because it happened at the fucking Oscars. And then they gave him a fucking Oscar for it after it. Not for the slap, but they were just like, oh, by the way, why don't you come up here and get your get your Oscar and fucking have a nice speech where you shake your head and cry. Congratulations, Will Smith.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

The slap was the best performance of them all. No shit. Perhaps the real friends were the slaps.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

Slaps we've made along the way.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

There's a great old Fresh Prince episode with uh Chris Rock. So I mean, they've known each other forever.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

They've known each other forever. That he would get like look, honestly, what it does is it speaks to the fragility of Will's mental state that he would get up in front of a national audience of what 40 or 50 million people or 20. I don't know, but I'm I'm probably over-exaggerating the people watching. But let's say it's five million, ten million people who are watching this, and he gets up and walks up and literally assaults another person live, and then just goes and sits back down, and everything just goes back to what it is, you know. Yeah, it's uh it's an interesting, and then and then he cries about it and has you know, um wow, this turned into a whole Will Smith thing. You know what? Will Smith isn't even in the uh on the episode. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_02 3:10

I think it was before she had the hyphen it yeah in her name, if I'm remembering correctly. But anyways, uh we're gonna be a fan of either one of them. Yeah, we're back. It's talking pondo. Just don't understand. Uh episode 90 overall of this show. Episode 18 of season three. And so we're back. It's Cliff and Marty, it's Talking Pondo, picking two movies. And if you didn't know already, it's the spooky season, at least when it's being dropped October 13th, what an appropriate day for this episode to drop. And we've already told a bunch of horror stories about getting slapped at the Oscars, so we might as well pivot that into a move movies about uh actual horror movies.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Uh yeah, I mean, I I mean embarrassing yourself at the Oscars seems to be pretty horrifying, but yeah, I mean, he didn't die.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

No. But uh why are we talking so much about Will Smith and the Oscar slap? Well, because okay, today's movies are Jason X and Scream 2, and Jada Pinkett is in the beginning of Scream 2, which made me come up with the opening gag, and now here we are. So yes, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

But I don't want to talk about that one first. I want to talk about Jason X first.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Oh, I'd rather talk about Jason X first, anyway. Even though Scream 2 came out first, Scream 2 is a 1997 release.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

Yep, Jason X is 2001.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Jason X is 2001, uh it both of these take me back to that late 90s, early odds time of going to the theater a lot and watching every movie that came down the pike, pretty much, especially every genre film. I saw both of these opening day.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Yeah, I saw Scream 2 for sure in the theater. I don't think I saw Jason X opening day. I think I'd given up on the Friday the 13th at this point. And I wish I had, honestly, because well, we'll we'll talk about it later.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

The fun thing about seeing uh well, apparently Scream 2, even though it came out in like November or December, it was still the 21st highest grossing movie of the year. That's pretty good to make that much money, and you're only out like a month of the year.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

A couple months, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

But seeing Jason X at the theater, we've talked about the opaque of the uh film screen, and so what some people would say is the dated CG, actually, I remember it played a lot better on the screen back then. I was like, oh yeah, that's perfectly acceptable for what what you're going into. You're thinking it's gonna be like really hokey, and it's like it's at least, you know, more than passable.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

But but once it gets onto the digital format onto a small O LED television, it looks rough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Yeah. Oh, but Jason X. Yeah, Jason X. I gotta write another note down here real quick. I have so much to say about this one.

SPEAKER_04 6:06

Well, let me uh let me get through this real quick here. Uh Jason X, 2001 radar, one hour and thirty-two minutes. Jason Voorhees is cryogenically frozen at the beginning of the 21st century and is discovered in the 25th century and taken to space. He gets thawed and begins stalking and killing the crew of the ship that's transporting him. This is directed by James Isaac, written by Todd Farmer and Victor Miller, stars Kane Hodder, Alexa Doig, and Jeff Geddes. That is your log line. Your storyline is even more ridiculous. In the year 2008, Jason Voorhees is cryogenically frozen in a government facility in Camp Crystal Lake, along with scientist Rowan.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Ah, the old future.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Many centuries later, in the year 2055, Earth is uninhabitable, and humans have moved to another planet known as Earth 2. However, a team of scientists awakens both him, Jason, and Rowan on a spaceship known as the Grendel. Perfect name. Jason begins killing the students and crew of the ship, and then along the way, he is upgraded to Uber Jason. And it's now up to Rowan and surviving students to students to stop Jason, this time on a spaceship. Students? I don't remember anybody being a student, but okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Once again, these uh synopsists just love to jump right to the end of the movie. And then he's Uber Jason, and it's like, well, that doesn't really happen until the movie's almost over, but you gotta love a good IMDB synopsis. So where to even begin? Well, I guess we can start with uh let's talk a little bit about the series as a whole. Like we we watched we watched the first one a few months back with the hoies came on, and then you jump to this one, which is in the timeline nine movies later. Nine movies later, in the timeline, it's the end of the saga because we're 400 years past. You know, you thought the time jump between parts one and two and six were bad, where it should already be to the 2000s because another five years and another ten years keep going past, but we've only had a year between the production of the films. You thought that was bad. Now we're just all the way out 400 years from now. So let's talk a little bit about parts seven and eight because this is one of the four Kane Hotter Jason movies. He didn't come on the series until part seven, the New Blood. So we only got to make one kind of normal Friday the 13th. That's one where he's still at the camp and he's fighting the telekinetic girl. It's basically Carrie or the X-Men versus Jason. So getting a little ridiculous at this point, but it's still God, they got it ridiculous after three. Yeah, but he's still at the camp, right? Sure, sure. And then we move to part eight, which in a way, Jason X is kind of a remake of part eight. But let's face it, all of these series are remakes of the previous entries in some form or another. Once something gets entered into the canon, whether we like it or not, will continue to pop its head up in future entries. Even sometimes when they say, we're gonna ignore all those movies and make a whole brand new movie, and then they take elements from all the shit they said they were gonna ignore. But uh long story short, this is Jason takes Manhattan again because Jason's on a boat again, right? He's on a boat for like half of Manhattan, and he's on a spaceship, which is kind of like a boat in space. It's uh it's alien, but it's Jason is the alien. Uh and then we get to part nine, the Jason goes to hell, which uh some people say this is the worst one. This is far from the worst one. Part nine is probably the bottom of the heap. Oh, they took some swings in part nine, and I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Oh, they took some swings in Jason X. Jason X has some wonderful swings, and we'll talk about them. So, first off, who the hell would cryogenically freeze a crazed killer who can't die? Why would you want to fucking save that for the future?

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, make it their problem, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Yeah, like fucking like what you know, don't I mean that's I don't know, that's insane. Well, I mean that's kind of what's fun about it. Like, uh okay, and I'll and I'll get this out of the way just to start with. Out of most of the Jason movies after three, this is one of the most fun of the fucking Friday the 13th movies. This movie isn't taking itself seriously for a second, it doesn't give a shit, it's just having a good time. What do we do if we pack this thing with this thing? Hey, well, could we have Jason kill this? I mean, when they when they literally get him out of cryo, that kid is just standing there and he falls over with the machete and cuts the kid's arm off. So he already he's got he's he's he's blooded himself and he's frozen solid. It's fantastic. It's it's just camp and pure fun all the way through.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Yeah, this one doesn't really match part nine. Because part nine, they try to, I mean, I guess you could kind of say it does, but part nine, they try to say that Jason is some little demon worm thing that goes between body and the body, and eventually the body just ends up looking like him in the hockey mask again. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

That's the stupidest fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

And so this one, it's like we've kind of forgotten that and we're back to we can't kill him, that's all you need to know.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

That's all you need to know.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

It's nice because at this point in the series, in a lot of series, everything's very lore-based. It's not one of the early ones where we're building the world, now the world is here, adhering to it, and we're just gonna play with the world. And the nice thing about this one is they kind of ignore a lot of that stuff where it's like if you've never seen one before, in the very beginning, you go, Okay, this guy's chained up, we can't stop him, unstoppable killer. He has this weird Wolverine-like regenerative power, right? That's what we think is important about him. Right. And apparently, in the future, everybody's you can get healed anyway. So, who cares about the regenerative factor? Now, Jason is a relic from another time, so he might be worth money to the people in the future. But it's its own kind of story. It doesn't you you stop and think about Mrs. Voorhees and the Jeep, and it's like, how is this the same series? It's like the ultimate game of it's like the ultimate game of telephone. Yes. At this point, the story has changed so much, but it's kind of the other side of the room, Jason's in outer space.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

Yeah, he's in a dress and he's fucking serving tea to somebody. It's a it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy until finally it becomes its own art. And that's what I like about it. I mean, I mean, David fucking Cronenberg is just strolls through the film, like, hey, how's it going? I'm David Cronenberg, see ya, and gets killed by fucking Jason. This is CanCon shot in Canada. It's it's amazing. Um the oh hey, let's make the background effect behind the girl a little more interesting. What do you think? Water effect? Yeah, perfect. Water effect. Like every piece of like rudimentary lighting and basic lighting you could figure out. This thing looks close like it was shot for television. It almost was. Like a like a TV movie, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

It it's very close to the you know, the sci-fi originals of its time. But back then exactly, exactly. Back then we could discern between a sci-fi original and Jason X. And now it's become harder. The further away from it, it feels similar. But it almost was a made for video, and then somebody said, no, Friday the 13th movies go to the theater, they don't go directly video, and they adhere that route. Also, why this doesn't match part nine? Part nine's the only one made in the 90s. That's 93. This one's 01. So this is quite a jump.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

But I think we have the uh second movie's first movie to think for this type of movie. Well, this is made.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

This is Sean Cunningham still. I mean, he's involved with this movie.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

That's true, yeah. And they decided to make this one while they were waiting to make Freddie versus Jason. Ah. They had the rights to that figured out, and it was like, let's make another one in the meantime, because we can't make that one until such and such time.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

Well, everybody needs to eat, so let's make that other one.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Yeah, it's a stop gap before that.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Yeah, it's got a very faint early John Carpenter feel in points, where and what I mean by that was Carpenter is the master of taking a set location and making it kind of look like something else for purpose. If you think of um the the uh uh scenes in Escape from New York with the the vent hoods, that's just the top of a building with the fucking exhaust vents, but they turn it into like this military uh complex. Um the thing, same thing with the thing. He he seems to just kind of be able to find these spaces they live and turn them into these very basic structures, especially with Darkstar, where you know you've got the ball bouncing around and it's just bouncing through a fucking community college, you can tell. It's just you know different industrial sites, you know. But he it tends to be able to, and that's kind of what this movie sort of did was you know, hey, let's show up at this kind of industrial space and we'll shoot from this angle and it'll look kind of futuristic, you know what I mean? Put a few things in there and hey, it looks like a spaceship, you know, or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

So you mix Darkstar with Halloween and you get Jalen X. No, I mean well, Jason X. Well, even then you get Jason X, because I'm talking about Dan O'Bannon too. So but that is uh interesting because what is Friday the 13th if not a Friday and not a Halloween clone in the first place? So yeah, yeah. You know what's really funny about oh go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

I I mean I would say that the the first Friday the 13th is definitely its own idea separate from Halloween. However, the ones after where you get an actual Jason killer are definitely clones of Michael Myers. But that first one is you know, I mean, Mrs. Voorhees is the killer.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Yeah, well, they were still trying to ape the success, is what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 17:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Like, oh, that was popular, we need to make our version.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

But I still think it it was, yeah, but it's the the later ones where it's just Michael and Jason, Michael and Jason, you know, there's not there's not a lot of there's no twist, there's no real although I listen to me. I mean, two is my favorite, so what do I know?

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Well, as a slight diversion, people online like to say all sorts of crazy shit, and I read it for some reason, but uh people like to say that movies after Scream are like Halloween H2O and whatnot, they're like, oh, that's a Screamified version of Halloween. And I'm like, wait a minute, doesn't Scream exist because of Halloween? So Halloween became Scream, became Halloween again? It's it's eating its own tail, people. But I never thought that those movies, outside of the polished look and maybe the music choices and the WB type cast, otherwise, it's not really screamified. You know, there's it's still Michael Myers, it's not multiple killers putting a plan together. But I see kind of see where they're coming from from an aesthetic choice. But I thought it was funny where it's like, that Halloween is screamified. Well, wait a minute, Scream is Halloweenified. Ah their own art, like you said.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

I I think that the brilliance of it is that there's a certain level that B movies attain. Um Basket Case Um Franken Hooker. A little bit, but I mean, but I mean uh altered states. Um there's there's a a certain like it's not ever gonna be a great you know front-running a A-level picture, but it has this weird kind of charm to it. It it it because it's camp is there. I mean, it's Rocky Horror Picture Show in a certain respect. It's not trying to be scary, really. It's not really trying to be scary, it's just trying to give you a good ride, and it's kind of winking at you along the way. Like, isn't it fun?

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Right? Like it's not too scary, don't worry. And it's science fiction based, which is very different than the rest of the Friday series.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

But it's it's you know, it night of the comet is a great, another great example of what I'm talking about, where it's like, again, it's never going to be that A-level picture, but it's charming and it's fun, and it's it's it's a it's a good B movie, you know, and they're out there. Mischief is a great example of a comedy of a good B movie, you know, not first run, not great. Eddie and the Cruisers is a good B movie, in my opinion. You know, these these are these movies that you know somehow attain a status and are more than the sum of their faults, you know what I mean? And to me, Jason X is very much of that. It's like much more than the sum of its faults, where it's like, yeah, I mean, you can point to a bunch of shit that this movie does that's not good, but it's still a really fucking entertaining movie to watch at the same time. Like, I can't, the effects are fucking dated. You know, there's a subtitle that literally says, Rowan, he's not longer your problem. I mean, even the subtitles in this fucking movie are bad. They're wrong. Yeah. Um, the woman playing the Android is fucking terrible. Um she's so bad. The effects are god-awful, they don't hold up. Could we not afford any good actors at all? I thought that was the point, though. The dude from 300 is fine, but damn, you know, the dude from Him 300 gets the best death where he's like, go take more than a stab chest to kill me, and then that'll do it. And then he goes, That's fucking great.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

And we had the uh Herb Tarlek Xander from Buffy combination guy, and I finally realized he looks like Herb Tarlek from WKRP in Cincinnati, and he even kind of acts like him. It made the movie even funnier for me.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

But but a lot of I don't know, hardcore fans of the series tend to most people hate this one, they think it's the worst. Well, I completely I completely understand why. I think it's because anytime a series does something that's not the norm, that's the one that people are like, uh fuck that one, it's the worst. I'm like, wait a minute, no, it's just different. It's not the worst, is one of these more boring ones that's earlier. Like, I think is probably a mess, and like after that is probably like five is just five's almost like a trauma movie, which might work for some people, but for me too grotesque. I like my one, two, three, four, six, and then like this and Freddie versus Jason. Uh huh. Everything else is okay, you know.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

My favorite Kane Potter one. If you are a hardcore Jason fan and you like that type of stuff, this probably isn't going to be your favorite movie because it's it's I I get it. I get it. It's a can't it's a little more campy, a little more comedy-based, a little more goofy. It's not really taking the character very seriously. It's not scary. You know, it's it's a bunch of jump scares and a lot of thrill moments. You know, I I get it. But if you remove yourself from that and just watch it as a fun fucking movie about some serial killer who gets frozen and thought out in the future and just starts going off. And I mean, when they when they recombinate him back into the super Jason, I'm just like, holy shit, this movie has gone off the fucking rails. You can't help but laugh at it at that point.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

I've always thought it was was fun. But uh for example, what you're saying, when this was new on video, uh Halloween Resurrection was new on video. And so I watched both of these movies in a row with the with Paul back in the day, and he really enjoyed the Halloween Resurrection. And by the way, both of these entries people fucking hate. I think they're a mess. I think both of them are kind of fun in a weird way. But he liked the Halloween Resurrection, but he didn't like Jason X, he just kind of set their stone face and it just didn't do it for him. So I guess if you're just not attuned to that exact level of hokey that it's doing or eye-winking, it's like, oh my god. But I was there for it. Because I remember watching these movies every year they came out as a kid. So following the lore, I I can be like, okay, I already know everything they've done before. Now go into outer space, you know.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

The body spinning down on the auger. That's pure fucking that's pure genius. That's fantastic. It looks so cheesy, and and goddamn, I love it. But I'll say this, even in an hour 30, it's probably about six or seven minutes too long. Like, isn't it? Yeah, you maybe maybe could have cut a few minutes out of this thing, but they pack a lot into it.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

I remember I liked it a lot more 25 years ago. The charm is still there, but it's it's lessened for me over the years. Do you know how you were outlawed in 2024, by the way?

SPEAKER_04 24:17

So I don't remember uh I don't remember Jason ever doing a quiet kill before, but it's been a long time. Have you ever covered the mouth of a victim to keep ever the others from hearing him kill them? It just doesn't seem like something Jason would ever be worried about. Like he's that's what I'm saying. The continuity kind of there, like it was it was kind of weird to it was weird to watch him shush a victim to me. I don't know why that is.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

It seemed like an un-Jason-like thing.

SPEAKER_04 24:46

Yeah, he wouldn't do that at all. He wouldn't give a flying fuck about that at all. So I was just like, oh, that's interesting. I've never hmm. Maybe that's why people don't like this movie because it's Jason's not really acting like Jason.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Yeah, well, Kane's Jason has a personality, and the other guys didn't have any personality, and it's like okay, it's kind of it's the same, but it's a little different, you know. You either like that or you don't. It makes it a little more Michael Myers-ish with his movements and well, this Jason used to just be some fucking not even buff dude with the fucking, you know.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

I mean, look, you get Jason versus an Android, which is fucking awesome. She when she pops up and the dude's like gave her an upload, and I'm like, you mean upgrade? Like, holy shit, this movie can't even get its technology right.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

But in the future, it becomes upload again. That's 400 years from now. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's and they look at us like, what are we talking about? What's a bicycle, you know?

SPEAKER_04 25:41

But someone finally thinks in all these movies to shoot his fucking limbs off to cripple him. Like, that's what I've always been like. Somebody just cripple his legs so he can't run after you, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Bonnie Python and the Holy Grail, and he's the black knight. It's only a flesh wound.

SPEAKER_04 25:55

It's only a flesh wound.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

They blow him up in part nine, but that's when we discover that little worm demon thing goes into another body. Where Jason shaves a full-grown man. Maybe we'll get to this movie one day. Maybe not. But it would be quite some time. Hey, I just gave you your opening bumper there.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

So he punches the android's head off, but his killing blow is immediately stopped by the female researcher. Because he's just like, boom, you know, and then suddenly his next blow, the female Rowan, is like, no, Jason.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Well, yeah, we want it to be like aliens, and now that's the bishop alien cyborg head. Get away from her, you bitch. I believe the line is stay away from her, you bitch. This is film class, right? I'm already in the next movie. That's why I did that.

SPEAKER_04 26:50

That's why I did that. I was really hoping that um Janice, Janessa would die. I was kind of hoping that that character would die.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah, they give a bunch of people survive this one. It's uh unusual.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

This is an interesting movie because you get tits with seven minutes left, which is it's you don't normally get you don't normally get nudity that late in a movie. You usually get it earlier. And I kind of I feel like the producers were like, let's put some boobies in there for the people who s waited this long through the movie is like your reward.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

That holodeck sequence is really the only kind of callback to the old movies in a way. And it is kind of fun to where they trick him when he thinks he's at the camp again momentarily.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

I like the fact that he's beating one girl to death using the other girl. Like I just I was just like, I this is sometimes this shit is just perfectly over the top and ridiculous. Um and I wonder if Jeff ever found that Jason meteorite. I wonder about that.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Right, Jason's a meteorite now.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

And they kind of imply that he might be dead or he might not be, because you just see the mask at the end, and there's no continuation of this storyline. The next movie we would get would be Freddie vs. Jason, which takes place before this. Right. Gee, I wonder who won. The audience wins. And then the movie after that was the remake from 09. And now they're gonna make a prequel TV show with Linda Cardalini in it.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

Linda Cardalini, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I'm just gonna be sitting there thinking about Uber Jason the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 28:29

So yeah, this is one of those so bad it's kind of good. Uh it's unlike anything, it's unlike any Friday the 13th you're gonna see. This is it stands out, it's very extremely unique, it's its own thing. I think it's totally awesome just for the camp of it and sort of the fun of it. It's not a technically super well-made movie, it's got some kind of amateur-ish, basic film school things going on.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Um, like you said, it felt made for video.

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Yeah, yeah, the effects aren't that great. So I can't give it a super high rating, but at the same time, sometimes movies overcome the sum of their parts, you know what I mean? And uh so I'm gonna give it three stars. I would watch it again easily. Yeah, I give it a three as well. Yeah, I would watch it again easily.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Yeah. I watched it more often than some of the others, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Yeah, I would Smokey in the Bandit and Jason X as a fucking double feature in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Which leads us to X. We've we covered the first one and now we covered the tenth one.

SPEAKER_04 29:37

That's perfect. We don't have to cover the ones in between. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

But now, second movie, we're going in order. Last spooky season, I can't believe it's been a year, we covered Scream and Get Out as the beginning of the spooky season. Now we're back and we watch Scream 2. Indeed. And uh we're watching it in order, see? We waited a year, but and then I also uh I not only do I I like the movie, but I brought it on the show for my own selfish purposes as well, because we're doing research. So anyway. Uh what is this movie that it was apparently previewed in Tucson before it came out? What is Scream 2?

SPEAKER_04 30:28

Scream 2, 1997, rated R, Two Hours. A masked killer pursues a student and her friends. What a great log line. It's very basic. Directed by Wes Craven, written by Kevin Williamson, stars Nev Campbell, Courtney Cox, David Arquette, and others. Um hell of a cast. Storyline. Two years after the events of Scream, Sidney Prescott and Randy are attending Windsor College. They are trying to get on with their lives until a new ghost-faced killing spree begins. With the help of Dewey and Gail, Sidney must find out who's behind the murders. As the body count goes up, the list of suspects goes down. The tagline is there's a killer on campus making more calls, making more kills.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

You were talking about the line that you liked a lot from the movie and reminded me of there's another line in the trailer that is not in the film, but it always made me laugh. Uh Sydney picks up the phone and the ghost face guy says, It's time, girlfriend. And that line is not in the movie. But it's in the trailer.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

My first my first note is uh my first note is Ug. It's Jada Pinkett, and she's gross.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Oh, we're back to this.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

I'd already forgotten about the and uh I read my entertainment weekly, I know my shit. It just makes me roll my eyes.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Nobody wants to pay $7.50 for some center bullock shit. Oh, but you will pay to see a movie called Stab. Right?

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Moving quickly past that, however. Let's get to it. I ran a movie theater for many years. Not many, well, seven. I ran a movie theater for seven, almost seven years. Um, at no point is any theater going to approve you passing out fucking robes, masks, and fucking plastic knives for whatever screening of whatever. However, masks are quite likely. And I'll tell you a story. Let me tell you a story, y'all. So we had this movie called Space Chimps. And Space Chimps was a fucking flop. I think it lasted two weeks at our theater. Uh but they sent us this box, this 12 by 12 by 12 box of face chimp masks of the of the young boy chimp and the young girl chimp. That were the leads in the in the that what the picture was about. This is an animated movie. Um and so I handed out uh face chimp masks to the 10 kids maybe that showed up to see this freaking thing. I mean, the the numbers on this thing were atrocious. Um and they sat in the box office for a good six months, right? And I was up at the box office talking to the two girls working it, and they were talking to somebody who was there, and I was like, what am I gonna do with these space chip masks? And uh oh, it was it was two kids from that were working at the journeys next door. They were talking to the two girls that were working in the box office, and I'm there clearing the box office out. I was like, What am I gonna do with these masks? And the two kids from Journeys were like, Oh, give them to us, and so we I gave them like 10 masks. And the next thing you know, over the the course of like two hours, I start getting these kids coming up asking for these masks. Like, can you get any spaceship masks? Is this where you get the spaceship masks? And I'm passing them out, like, here, take these motherfuckers, here, here. Until finally, mall security comes running up to us. It's like, is this the place where the spaces chip masks are from? I'm like, yeah, and they're like, stop fucking passing those out. And I was like, why? And they're like, because they're everywhere. Kids everywhere are walking into stores and scaring the shit out of everybody who works there wearing these space chip masks, and they think they're gonna get robbed and so on. And I was like, oh, okay. So yeah, maybe that was a bad idea. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

So obviously the marketers of space chimps went about that campaign all wrong. They had the idea right, but they should have been passing those masks out. Yeah, yeah. It's too little too late. I that is a true story. I I remember hearing about this.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

It really happened. So no, I mean the the liability of the the liability of the plastic knife and all that shit at the mask, that's never that's never happening.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

And it's before before any like, you know, Joker type situations happened in movie theaters and stuff. It kind of ties into a little bit of the like the third movie where it was gonna be Stu hiring some kids to do it, but Columbine happened and they didn't want to look like they were trying to profit off of that tragedy, even though that script idea existed before. But as Mickey says, it's a classic uh case of life imitating art imitating life. You know, it's really kind of bizarre how that works, but this was before you know that type of thing.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

It's uh it's an interesting sort of footnote to it where it's like, yeah, that's I mean, that's interesting for the film, and that's kind of neat. And it yes, it allows Ghostface to get in there and kill Jada Pinkett Smith in front of a bunch of people. Right, setting the tone for the movie. Setting the tone for the movie. Um, but at the same time, there's no way in hell.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Well, of course, yeah. There's just no way with a lot of unrealistic things like this. If you remember the first one, Tatum's head getting stuck in the garage door. Yeah. We have a history of a little bit of silliness.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

That's a terrible. That's a terrible.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

And I love the aim of the knife right through the the bathroom. That's the well scary movie where the dildo comes through. I can't.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Yeah, to me, it's the worst, it's the worst kill of all the screams so far. Like, if if you're watching Scream One and Scream 2, that's the lamest kill. Because that that that plastic, you're there's no way you're gonna knife through that plastic in one shot. It's just again, it's like it's that's part of my problem with scream two is that it's like it wants you to scream one is very to me believable. High school kids killing each other, right? That's a very believable premise to me. This is more of like uh, you know, fanboys of high school kids who killed people, killing people, and the movies having to help them along to a certain extent by allowing them to stab through walls or kill people in the middle of a crowded theater with that look with other people that look like them, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Well, they that's the problem with all of these type of sequels.

SPEAKER_04 37:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

They even mention it in one of the deleted scenes of the movie, which was actually an alternate version of the uh film study class, where Mickey says, you know, the more they make of these movies, the sillier the main character becomes, and now Freddie's funny, he's not scary anymore.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

Right, right. Right. Well, and it's it's part of it is just again trying to you want to keep up some of the tropes of the original. So you need the comment about the movies in the beginning, and then we were in a not not just that, but after credits, we roll right into a whole class where we're once again talking about the movies and the rules and the this and the that, you know, because that's one of the tropes of the movie, right? Along with getting the girl killed in the beginning, first 15 minutes and setting the tone and these other things. Uh, but it just seems a little bit rougher for me this time around than the first one. Because the first one's such a it's a fucking masterpiece. It's it's it's a it's really a great horror movie. I think I scored it a four, probably should have scored it a four and a half, honestly. Because the more I think about how good it is, and because it takes everything before it and it makes it into this whole new thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Well, I guess since you already went there, I might as well jump into my main note of this movie. I I've always liked this one. In ways I like it more than the first one, even though I like the first I know the first one's a better movie, because when this one comes together in its moments, it really comes together, but there's a lot of clunky. And why is there a lot of clunky? Because there were rewrites constantly throughout the film. And apparently, according to legend, the rewrites happened because the script leaked online, and this was one of the first instances of this happening back in '97. So apparently that made them scramble and change stuff. Yeah. And uh well, which route do I want to go first? What the movie was about, or well let's do this for part first. Okay, so apparently the original ending was it was four killers, it was uh Mrs. Loomis, it was the boyfriend, it was it was her her girlfriend, and it was Cotton. Ah now knowing this, watching the movie, it feels like in parts there's still threads of it would have made more sense to have that ending, but instead they switched it to just Mrs. Luma's hired Mickey. Instead, I'm guessing she might have been.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

If you had shown me four killers at the end of this fucking thing, I I would have been pretty pissed.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Honestly.

SPEAKER_04 40:03

Yeah, but I I just I uh I think two killers is kind of genius. I think four is is kind of re ridiculous. Okay. Well putting all that. But that's just me. Maybe I I didn't I didn't see it all. I didn't see that version either. I was just looking for threads. It sure feels it sure sounds kind of silly.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Ten years later, Kevin Williams says that was a dummy script that we had. And I'm thinking, then why did you what were the rewrites about when it got leaked? But this made me really think about it in a larger scale. When a script is leaking, why change anything? Who are you trying to please? You're you're not gonna please anybody because you're throwing away what might be a good planned out idea just because somebody found out the ending of it and people on opening night might know the ending. What about the shelf life of the film? They never think about this shit. It's all about the money right then, right now. So is that the right choice to rewrite because it's leaked? Who gives a fuck if it leaked? Who's paying attention to that? Even in '97, who even had the internet outside of us dial-up freaks? I think I think about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

I get I get the urge though, as a filmmaker, to go fuck and rewrite it.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

But you gotta go, that no, stick to your gun.

SPEAKER_04 41:20

I get that. Yeah, I get that. Um Sarah Michelle Geller and Timothy Ola Fantastic. That's two excellent fucking pieces in this film I really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

So there might have been a better movie that got thrown away, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

But maybe maybe. I I mean, I I I'm curious if it would have included the same cast, like I said, would have included Geller and Olafantastic.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Because she came on later, because if you watched the deleted scene or the alternate take of that classroom scene, it's a different actor, but then they got her to be able to do it, so they put her in.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

She's got a good death scene too. I quite like that.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

They didn't want her to just have a death scene, they needed some more with her earlier on, too. You never see Joshua Jackson again, though. Pacing Austin's Creek, you see him once.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Good Jesus Christ. Because I was like, oh, not him.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

But yeah, I really like that that scene in the classroom, you know.

SPEAKER_04 42:13

It's good. It's it's just it comes right after an entire Jada Pinkett Smith and her and scene where they're talking about movies and killing and all that type of shit. Because they were in that class, yeah. I know, but I want them and I want the movie to be aware of itself. I like the meta version of the film, right? But at the same time, I don't want it all squashed together. Space the shit out for me, you know. Well, I don't want to watch, I don't want to watch Randy talk about the rules for 20 minutes. I want to watch Randy talk about it for five minutes over two hours, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Well, it's sending up sequels too, and tend to do those type of things.

SPEAKER_04 42:47

Oh, and by the way, sequel that's better than the original, Empire. Done, easy, finished. Thanks, have a good day.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

What does he say? Nope, part of a trilogy doesn't count. And then that's part of the movie that he says that. And then uh and then uh Sydney's girlfriend walks in front. She's like, Oh, I like those little bear things. He's like Ewoks, they suck. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. My bad. Um But he's just he's just dicking with Mickey at that point. You're right.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

It seems, you know, I like it, but it it it seems uh especially back when I first saw this, I liked it a lot more. Now it seems a little more forced. I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

I think it's the endless rewrites, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Maybe it's it seems a little more forced, like they really want to make sure the movies are tied together. We have to have these elements. We can't, you know, we really want to keep this, you know, make the give here's the franchise template.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

Yeah. You know what I mean? And it really does set it too, because it's weird how forced changes that you weren't necessarily wanted to do that found their way into the movie become part of the fabric just as much as the things you planned. It's like it's like the Friday the 13th movies, right? Amy Steele was going to do the third one, but then she couldn't, but then it makes a way for somebody else to come in. And it just it's weird how it builds itself like that. They were going to possibly leave Randy alive, and maybe something would have happened to Joel the cameraman, but that was victims of the rewrites as well, at least according to Wikipedia. So and we know how reliable Wikipedia can be. Did the script leak before the movie was being shot? No, and it was already after, so they were giving pages while shooting. Like you said, the weakest kill. That was an example of the script said that dude goes in the bathroom and then Wes makes it scary. And then he had to work that out right then. So that's probably why it's a little huh. And you noticed it right away. You're like, wait a minute, this feels well, especially for the first kill.

SPEAKER_04 45:23

I mean, that shit is I mean, the first kill in Scream is chasing down Drew Barrymore and stabbing her. Well and her seeing her boyfriend all tied up in the chair and and and so on, right? And in the second one, it's stabbed through the toilet. Like, who the fuck puts their ear against a toilet wall, anyways? That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

And hers is kind of freaky because it's showing we're cheering the movie, but she's dying in front of them type theme.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Yeah, and and also just in a movie where a situation that would never, like I said, I for me take as a as a movie manager. I'm like, that shit would never happen.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

It's about as real as the kids tearing up the theater and hope and glory. Wait a minute. Minecraft joke.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

It's it's like all the fantastic. He's he's so obvious. I know they throw Jerry O'Connell at us as a as a as a as a as a red herring or a mister. Because they they cut his arm, you know. I'm talking about just the movie in itself, but they cut his arm and it's that's supposed to, you know, oh, I tried to defend you, Sid, and all that shit. And I I you but you know it's it's Ola fantastic all the way through. For me, the one that's a bit of a surprise is and not that much, is Lori Metcalf.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Yeah, she surprises everybody. Well, she's a good enough actress to do that.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

So the the well, and the the turn of I I like that moment where they get on stage there's on stage and and finally it's uh Sydney Caesar and goes, Mrs. Loomis, and she's like, Who? That's a really cool moment. That's really well done there. That's good shit.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

It's like uh just like the first Friday the 13th, it's the mom, and it's impossible to solve as you're watching it because the movie's giving you tons of false clues, but she's a character throughout the movie, and you don't see her. She's makes herself invisible, unlike Mrs. Loomis, who's not in Friday the 13th at all.

SPEAKER_04 47:16

I think it's probably also a little bit of gender prejudice. You know, you're looking for a new you're looking for a a Billy Loomis and and his cohort, right? You're not looking for a woman and a Timothy Oliphant type, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:29

So obvious, but she plays it in a way that it's like, oh, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

But you also don't, but you also don't know it. If it means if the movie tells you that's Mrs. Loomis 20 minutes into the movie, you're like, there's the game.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Yeah, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:39

You know, it's not until Sydney tells you who she is that you go, oh shit, of course it's her.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

But like the the quick nature that her girlfriend was killed off, and the quick nature that Jerry O'Connell was killed off. I was like, hmm, I wonder if that was just like a quick rewrite, because instead, you know, of course Ghostface didn't attack her. She's sneaking out of the car because she's the other killer, and wouldn't that make sense for the I don't know. It just made me view it differently this time, looking for those what if threads. I really like the Dewey and Gale stuff in this one. I think they am that more from the first one.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

Yeah, no, I like that quite a bit. I enjoyed seeing the the cameos, Tori spelling, Heather Graham, she really does. Luke fucking Wilson. Yeah, Luke Wilson. Of course they do the parts. I mean, why wouldn't they? It's nice to see Nev Campbell get to do some dancing. And we know she's a ballerina, so to see her actually get to kind of use some of that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Right. Uh that there was a rumor that that stab movie part was directed by Robert Rodriguez, but I was listening to the commentary, and there's Wes Craven talking about shooting that part. So I guess the rumor was he was going to direct Scream 2, Robert Rodriguez, because Wes didn't know if he wanted to do it. But then Wes decided he didn't want to be away from the property, and Robert Rodriguez went on to make the faculty.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

Well, it's I mean, IMDB says that the DVD omits Robert Rodriguez's director's credit during the opening titles for Stab, so maybe they were just gonna credit him for the fake for the for the fake movie in like he didn't actually shoot it, but they were gonna credit Stab to Robert Rodriguez.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Like, I mean that makes sense. So I don't know, but listening to that commentary, and then they're just nonchalantly like, oh yeah, we shot this part here, and then neighbors were I'm like, you shot that part. Well, that flies in the face of everything else. This is also uh one degree of separation to the party animal because DOP Peter Deming. Yep, Peter Deming, yep, yep, yep, yep. One of my personal favorite directors of photography.

SPEAKER_04 49:46

Yeah, get away from your bitch is wrong. It's yeah, I don't know what to say that, but uh yeah, it's it is stay away from her bitch.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

That part where he says I let the geek get the girl, apparently he messed it up like 15 times for some reason, but he couldn't get it right. There's a few bloopers of it. Not a whole lot of extras, maybe like 10 minutes worth of extra stuff.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

I enjoy the um I enjoy Randy taunting, like he's finally like, you know, Billy Loomis was a piece of shit. He was a fucking he was, you know, this guy, if you know, and then suddenly he's grabbed and pulled into the van and killed. I thought that was really cool. I thought it was kind of dumb of Randy to be anywhere near a van while that was going on, but at the same time, it was a cool scene.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Yeah, it kind of feels like did they mean to kill him off, or did the rewrites happen and make it but what it does is it sets that precedent of anybody can die at any moment, which makes the movie a little more heightened of its tension. Oh, if they killed Riley, they can kill anybody. And in some of the newer ones, like the core four fucking make it through the whole movie, and you're like, somebody should be off element of ooh, this is there's things at stake, you know.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

And I don't know about making cotton sort of a crazy or a fame-driven, like that is his motivation. It didn't, it just it felt really weak to me to be like ten thousand dollars to be on Diane Sawyer, you know. I I would have preferred to have seen him with some different motivation, you know what I mean, and uh trying to work towards some sort of friendship with with Sydney instead of trying to use her to give for so he could get famous. It was just fucking weird.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Maybe it was all bullshit originally, and he was working with Mrs. Loomis in another stuff.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Yeah, so word, word, but it just it when you get to the end and there's that I'll make you famous, Billy, and all that shit, and she's like, I'll do it, I'll do the Diane Sawyer. And he's like, Cool, and he kills her. It's yeah, I remember the crowd liked it on opening night. It's kind of funny. Yeah, well, yeah, I get you. The the movie to me has a lot more highs and lows, and the lows are a lot lower, and the highs aren't as high as the original, although there are some really great moments. Um, again, uh Jamie getting killed while he's on the phone is a great moment. Oh, right. That's really that's really good shit. Um the sequence where Dewey is up against the glass and being stabbed and oh yeah, and she's watching him. That is a fucking that is fantastically well done stuff. That is that is the good shit. That's the shit that I want, you know, that scream one stuff. You know, that's that lives really, really good.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

I really enjoyed that. And for rushing this into production and you know, churning it out so fast and everything, it's amazing that elements of it come together that well. Because it gets a weird brain wreck, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

Yeah, it's weird to me that Cotton and Gail aren't closer in the movie because she was all the one that believed in his innocence, and there doesn't seem for be a reason for him to have an attitude about it, really, but unless I missed some dialogue or some subtext there.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

Also makes me wonder if you know what's leftovers that didn't get rewritten, or because there's things that feel clunky in ways. But it also also makes me think, would it have been the exact same movie? Because it was Mrs. Loomis in charge of whoever, anyways. They just seemingly whittled it down that she just hired Mickey and Yeah. It's still gonna be family, it's still gonna be a reason. It's not some it isn't actually fanboys, it's the mom of the killer.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

So how the hell do you get Sydney out of a out of a kill scene with four ghost faces? Like, how do you get out of that?

SPEAKER_02 53:31

It just seems like it seems like getting out of it would make it so ridiculous. They would have had to rube Goldberg it a little more. I'm almost curious to find the script if it's out there and be like, what what was that? And what elements stayed, what elements changed, what got poured it to other people? Does Gail get shot at the end? I mean, how much is you know Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:54

It's nice to see the black guy be the it's nice to see the black guy be the smart guy and just fucking be like, nah, fuck you, bitch, and leave.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Because the other black guy was the first victim. That's right. That does fit in with the tropes.

SPEAKER_04 54:05

That's right. I like the fact that the women in these films they fight back. Yeah. They aren't they don't scream and fall down as the killer comes towards them, they punch him in the fucking throat or then kick him in the nuts, and they you know their actions fighting back stuff.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

Yeah. Yeah, that's true too. Mickey showing up and they turn around and just he's flying on Jason X and shit, you know.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Well which brings me to the death of the A's FBI agents. That's such a mad scene. Like it's just so like really, he just okay, punched through the the window and kills the FBI agent. The other one somehow has trouble getting out of the car and getting his gun out. You know, it's it's such a silly, it's it was so silly. And that's what I mean by the movie being so up and down, these great moments followed by these silly blas scenes, you know.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

And yet that leads way to one of the most tension-filled scenes, them trying to get out of that car and they have to crawl over it.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

Yeah, the first time, yes, but when they make her crawl out, it's like it's not as to me. The scene dragged on and it was it.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

And then she's suddenly dead, which was she the killer originally.

SPEAKER_04 55:18

It just for me, it just didn't like I like I guarantee you, if that scene was in the original script, it was without her friend, and it was her having to crawl out. And that's tension-filled. I get it. But now you gotta get the friend like you can't grab a rock and just break that fucking window and just come on.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

No, because they're bulletproof glass. Yeah, sure. Well, it's movie trope.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

I know, but it's it's one trope after another to force the person through, you know, the rats movies, right? I blame rewrites. I don't know what else to blame. It just didn't work for me as much. I I liked the first part of it. I didn't like the second part. Um Timothy's voice is really high in this movie for some reason. I don't know why Oliphant's voice is so high.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

This is maybe the first time I saw him in something, and this is the third Timothy Oliphant movie we featured in under a hundred episodes. Jesus. Go and catch and release all of his early stuff. Go that's right, that's true. And so I always see Mickey every time I see him in something. I know other people see Justified and all these other things that he's done, but there he is.

SPEAKER_04 56:27

Let me see here. He's got um, I mean, he's been in a ton of stuff. He's got 87 acting credits, so it's not weird that we would just troll upon him that much. But oh. The light controls where you know, where she's like throwing all the switches. I'm like, what is this? Frankenstein's laboratory? Like, what are these massively unsafe shock the shit out of you switches that you're letting college kids? This is the most insane fucking light board I've ever seen. Yeah, it's insane. That is not up to OSHA standards.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

I expect to see Harpo flying around on the ropes, you know.

unknown 57:03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Are you alright? I'm fucking shot, of course not. Well, she does have more lives than a cat. They still can't kill Gail Weathers. Part seven coming soon, which is followed by part eight coming soon because they realized they needed to rehire Nev Campbell and they're starting again. And if you're starting again, then well, it might probably the beginning of a trilogy again. But what's weird about this part seven is as you might have heard the leaked news, so many people are coming back in it. And how? They're dead. Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 57:42

We'll see. Uh Dewey's alive. Uh so I guess he'll be back in the next episode in a fucking wheelchair or something.

SPEAKER_02 57:51

Because like that dude's a scar tissue, and it saved his life.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

You know, that old he can. I guess he could talk to the Red Hot Chili Peppers about that. Uh that Rob Thomas-like song at the end as she's walking through the campus is the worst fucking thing I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

They're cheesy, but it is one of the all-time each song blends into the next song and credit roles. And it's very indicative of that year, too, right? From the less than Jake, I think I love you, all the way to the Master P scream song at the very end. It's like a perfect medley, like one of those weird L medleys.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

I wanna stab you in the face. Well, I well, I will.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Rob Thomas is Sinbad's bitch.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

Um so for me, definitely a step down from what I think Scream was. But boy, it's it's it's tough to catch lightning in a bottle. Uh, but I think it's fun to watch. I think there's a lot of cool moments in it. Yeah. Again, I think, I think um uh oh god, what's his name? I can't I keep sparing on his name. Um the the the kid with the the movies. Um Randy. Randy, yeah. Randy's death is exceptional. I really like it. I think there's some good moments, they really do some stuff really well. But then again, they have some weird ass things that they're doing too. So I'm gonna give it three stars. Alright. Kind of just both these movies are just kind of like, you know, if I'm gonna if you ask me which one I want to watch, Jason X or Scream 2, I'm gonna be like, dude, put either one on, I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 59:37

Like I'm fine, I'll watch either one of those.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

I give this a four. Really? Like I said earlier, and I in ways I like it more than the first one, even though I know the first one's a better movie. Wait, I don't know if it's nostalgia, the fact that I saw this in the theaterslash drive-in like a dozen times when it was out. There's just something about the when the moments that click, click that it was enough to where I could tune out during the lull parts and wait for my next part that I really like, kind of. But the movie is a bit long at two hours and one minute.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

I think I agree. I think it's a bit long. And and um, yeah, I mean, I get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

And I still find new things in it, terribly enough. And didn't David Arquette mention that the movie was rushed in the Q ⁇ A we saw.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

I think I think it tells. I mean, I think that this first one is paced much better, I think the kills are a lot better and more creative, and I think the whole movie as a whole moves and flows a lot better. And this one, you know, it has a few problems. The whole piece with where we're seeing her on stage and she's doing she's doing the dance and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, blinking you'll miss Fabian Warner. Blink and Miss Faber Warner, but he she's reacting and then has the the freak out scene and all that. Like, I mean, did we really need that? Can we have cut that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:57

They left all the it was a two-hour movie development in there, yeah. Now nowadays they would have him cut all that. Right? It was still when you could make a long one. And I guess the first one had made so much money that it was like, no. But I really do wonder what the real the real story about the rewrites, because usually the real story is somebody in control didn't like the script and wanted it changed. It wasn't some internet leak. That's my personal opinion on it. It's usually a little bit deeper than that. Because we were on dial up still then, guys, but which AOL is doing away with finally as we're recording this. But an internet leak of a script in 97, I don't know, like you were saying, maybe it did feel like a bigger deal then, but now hopefully we've learned all these years later, stick to your guns. Just because a percentage of people know the ending of the movie on day one, the movie has a shelf life. And in five, ten years from now, people are gonna discover and they're not gonna know the ending. And it still has that same ending that you wrote in the first place. But these are all fucking guesses because I don't know the real story, but it did make me think about it quite a bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

So I get it. I mean, I look, I mean, move you know, movies are a business, and if you think that people aren't gonna come because the scree script's been leaked and everybody knows what's gonna happen, then there's no point to go see it, then you gotta surprise the audience. I get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. I get it. I mean, everybody was going to the movie anyway. I mean, don't throw away Luke, I am your father, just because somebody fucking leaked it, you know. That's what I'm talking about. I hear you. Art of a trilogy doesn't count. Okay, Jamie. Okay. Or sure sure. It's funny watching the movie and thinking about all of the encounters we've had with so many people in the cast and seeing Jamie Kennedy and thinking, I had an elevator ride with that guy. Or he asked me if I was enjoying the weekend. About Mad Monster. And now even having met David Arquette made me look at the movie a little different. Because I'm like, oh, I see the actor you now, instead of just the Dewey U, you know. The trip. Oh, I know what you mean. So, anyways, next week is a guest, and people can tune in for that. We're actually at guests for the spooky season. But then the week after that, Cliff and I will be back for one more spooky season episode. And uh my movie for Cliff is gonna be let's continue with this whole discussion of what happens when you throw out your script in its entirety, and you have to write a whole new script. Your film is Scream 3. Oh god, really? Well, that's the movie I wanted to get to, but I didn't want to jump past two because I felt two added to the conversation as well. These are uh selfish reasons that go beyond the podcast. So stream three, ripping that bandage off next time. But the I won't go any further than that. I'll switch back to some late November fair, whatever that would be.

unknown 1:04:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

I'm not gonna be like stream four, stream five, stream six. I don't think I can.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

Oh yeah, see, there's that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

Um so okay, I'm gonna give you a weird one. Uh, and something, I don't know if you've seen it or not. Probably an indie, um that's snuck under a lot of people's radars. But anyway, so it's from um 2015. It's called He Never Died, starring Henry Rollins. That's a horror film? Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

I know Rollins has made a few horror films, so yeah, definitely a horror film.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:13

He's uh I think he's a uh fallen angel or a vampire or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

Yeah, that counts, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Alright, so that will be the rest of the spooky season. We we could tell you what next week's movies are, but you can figure that out if you go to our letterbox page. I I tend not to announce things before we've actually recorded them, because I feel like that's a jinx even though that shit doesn't exist, but still. Why why put the temptation out there?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:50

It should be interesting. We'll see what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:53

They're good ones next week. They're all timers, I think. All right, well, that'll be it. Mm-hmm. You better loosen up that wrist.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

Are you alright? I'm fucking shot, of course not. That's my all right. Let's get out of here. Let's later.