Talking Pondo: Paprika and The Lost Boys with Isabel Teran

 In this episode, first time guest Isabel Teran ("That's Bodacious, Dude! 80 Radical Movies from the '80s!") joins the podcast. She brings along the movie Paprika. Marty and Clif give Izzy the movie The Lost Boys to watch.

This week on Talking Pondo, Marty and Clif welcome podcast host Isabel Teran to the show for a wildly different double feature: a mind-bending anime classic and one of the most iconic vampire films of the 1980s.

First up is Paprika, the visually explosive psychological sci-fi film from director Satoshi Kon. The crew dives into the film’s dream-within-a-dream storytelling, its influence on modern sci-fi (including comparisons to Inception), and how its surreal imagery blurs the line between imagination and reality.

Then the conversation shifts to pure 80s vampire energy with The Lost Boys. Featuring the legendary “Two Coreys” and a gang of leather-clad Santa Carla vampires, the film invokes horror, teen rebellion, and MTV-era style into one unforgettable cult classic.

Transcript

Izzy 0:00
I like when it's when things feel like a fever dream while I'm watching it, okay, and it's coherent enough for me to enjoy. I'm locked in. I love that show. Okay. So this is a very me episode. You got fever dream, weird shit, and vampires. And I don't think I don't know two other movies to introduce your audience to with me. Like that's perfect.

Clif 0:21
Ladies and gentlemen, Izzy.

Izzy 0:24
He it's me.

Clif 0:29
Welcome to season four of Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest.

Marty 0:46
Peter Pan visits Dreamland, will not be seen this week, so we may bring you the following vampire cult. And welcome to our little Hollywood vampire cult here on Talking Pondo, where we're bringing you, the listener, in, and another guest as well into the fold this week. Join us. It's uh Talking Pondo. We're back again. Uh we still introduce ourselves. I'm Marty. I'm Cliff. And this week we have Isabel Turan at long last on the show.

Izzy 1:20
Hello.

Clif 1:21
That's right. Lime time commenter. You've heard us re-read her viewer mail, and now she's on the show. See, folks, if you just comment, just write in and maybe come a guest. We're desperate for content. I'm kidding. Well, so welcome to the show. I feel very much for coming on.

Izzy 1:42
Thanks for having me.

Clif 1:43
Yeah, um, we're excited to have you on. Um, and you brought us a couple of interesting movies today, or you brought us an interesting movie and we gave you kind of a Stone Cold classic.

Izzy 1:53
Yeah.

Clif 1:54
Yeah.

Izzy 1:54
I love it. I'm surprised nobody's picked this for the 80s podcast yet.

Clif 1:59
It was out there in the wild for a while. We kind of do it like A V Underground Club. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but like we we pick a slate of movies for the season and then kind of start handing them out, right? And so you get kind of dwindling returns to a certain extent, I guess.

Marty 2:15
Yeah, well, also got picked over like five or six times, and it's like, what? But season four, people have been grabbing the movies that have been kicking around. It's like, oh, they picked it up.

Izzy 2:24
Oh, they grabbed that one. Oh, they grabbed that one. I've been finding that interesting. What what people pick when you send them a set list. And I only have 80, you know, like so. And I tried my best out of my starting list, it was two 250. You know, it was hard. It was very hard to pick before first season.

Clif 2:41
Yeah, yeah. Last last week, I think it was last week was Ben, and we he he brought Blue Thunder, which was like, I mean, we had kind of had that in our pocket anyway, right?

Marty 2:50
But it was uh Yeah, he got to it before we could ask to bring it. And he's and Ben from Too Vague podcast, because we've had so many, too many bins already on the shows we talked about last time. We've had like three of them already who picked Vision Quest finally. So it was like, hey, we've asked like eight people if they wanted to do that movie, and they're like, What? What is that? Then you find the right person who goes, Yes, I want to do that.

Clif 3:14
Yeah, and it turns out, of course, he had some kind of weird sort of personal, you know, his best friend was a wrestler in high school, so he had some sort of weird personal connection to it.

Izzy 3:22
I always love that though. Everybody who picks something, usually they have some kind of connection to it.

Clif 3:28
Well, and and and the danger that we found is that um a lot of people bring on their favorite films to us, and we are not going to pull bunches with your favorite film, and so a lot of times it's like this is a two, buddy. I'm sorry, but this is a two out of five. I nostalgia-wise, it is a five out of five. You're absolutely correct. But this is the two out of five, anyway. So um, and and I think Marty even warns them.

Marty 3:53
I think Marty warns him ahead of time. It doesn't have to be your favorite movie. I started putting that in the uh invite, and and it's still like, I don't care what you guys say, five stars. And that's like, all right, cool. Okay, okay. We're not trying to take away from it. It's just, you know, but every now and then people bring us movies where we're like, you know what? I'm right there with you. That is amazing. Absolutely. Then a couple of those. Yeah. And and Isabel knows all about that as she does one of her shows. That's Bacious Dude, 80 radical movies from the 80s, where you've picked 80 movies from the 80s, and not necessarily finding 80 guests, but just getting people to because geez, that would take a while, but come on and talk about movies from the 80s.

Izzy 4:39
So it's been fun, and it's always a learning experience because I'm kind of uh you know, a a small child to this world of podcasting, so I'm uh very much a newbie.

Clif 4:50
Yeah, we haven't I mean we've only been doing it for two years, it still feels like we're still very new to the stage.

Izzy 4:56
I think it's three years for me, just a little over because I was I've been on um Hearsing Around, which is my other podcast, where um we talk about the works of dead celebrities, so that's always eye-opening and fun. But we do have something in common with our podcasts. Both of our second episodes are now to the common.

Clif 5:17
Oh, really? Yeah. Fantastic. Okay, that's awesome. I love that that made your list so early because it made ours like that. Was an obvious choice.

Izzy 5:28
Oh, I it wasn't actually on the list. That was something that Ryan requested, and I was like, Well, it's you, I'll let you request one.

Clif 5:34
Okay, all right. Well, so we're we're gonna have to remember that when we talked to Ryan.

Izzy 5:38
Wow. Yeah, and I had not seen it before, but uh, it's definitely definitely a fave now. I love it.

Clif 5:43
Oh, I I I've been going to um the same horror con for like four years, hoping that they would show up. Like I keep hoping because Marty and I were like, well, it's the 25th anniversary, man. Maybe this is the year.

SPEAKER_02 5:55
We're still coming people.

Clif 5:57
I mean, I mean, had some other great guests, I mean Deborah Foreman and some of these other great guests we've gotten to meet, you know, uh um what's his name? Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds, all these great, you know, 80s kind of fun icons. But she they those the the two of them are are one that I would love to get a picture of me, both of them. That would be fantastic.

Izzy 6:16
For sure. Daddy got us Uzies.

Clif 6:18
Daddy got us, Daddy would have gotten us Uzies. I would be like, why not have it right on the uh well, okay, so Lost Boys and Paprika today, huh?

Marty 6:30
Yeah, we have a movie that's almost 40 years old and a movie that's 20 years old. Wow, they're old today. But it's weird because there's parts of them that don't feel like they're that old, right? Anyways, which movie would we like to get into first today? We usually let the guest pick, right?

unknown 6:51
Yeah.

Izzy 6:52
Oh, um, I guess we can do um paprika first because people might be here for Lost Boys, and that would force them to listen about paprika.

Clif 7:00
That's a good podcast thing. We appreciate you thinking about the podcast when you make your decisions.

Izzy 7:05
You gotta get to the end of the episode.

Clif 7:08
Oh, that's great. Um, okay, so paprika it is then. Um This is your brain on anime is the uh tagline for this on the poster of this movie.

SPEAKER_02 7:19
Is that what it was about?

Marty 7:20
Is it really probably so what is a paprika, Cliff? Is it is it a spice that I discovered in my can of liquid death or the other?

Clif 7:33
It's actually the it's actually the dried and crushed uh skins of red pepper, if you if you have a red bell pepper, if you want to. So if you want a paprika. But anyway, so paprika, 2006, rated R, one hour 30 minutes when a machine that allows therapists to enter their patients' dreams is stolen, all hell breaks loose. Only a young female therapist, paprika, who can stop it. Uh directed by Satoshi Khan, uh, who's uh from what I researched a pretty big deal in anime, or at least was, until he passed. Um, stars Magumi Hayashibara, Toru Yamori, uh let's see here get down to your storyline. Three scientists at the Foundation for Psychiatric Research fail to secure a device they've invented, the DC Mini, which allows people to record and watch their dreams. A thief uses the device to enter people's minds when awake and distract them with their own dreams and those of others. Chaos ensues, but the trio, Chiba, Tokita, and Shima, assisted by a police inspector and by a sprite named Paprika, must try to identify the thief as they ward off the thief's attack on their own psyches. Dreams, reality, and the movies merge, while characters question the limits of science and the wisdom of the big brother. This is your brain on anime.

Marty 8:45
Well, I mean, uh as far as most of these synopsis you read off of IMDB in trying to do that. That was a pretty good one. This one, they that's not a bad job. Yeah, no, yeah, no, solid.

Clif 8:56
I mean, we've seen some really botched together AI storylines where it was just like, that's not what happened at all. That one was pretty good. That one was pretty good. So um so I I want to start off by saying I think some I have a slight problem with anime, and it is that some of it looks the same. A lot of the Oh, it's the base of it. Yes, the base, the base art style looks a little samey, samey in some. I feel like they do a little different on top of it, but it's still kind of there as the it's it's it's super creative, like story-wise, but the people can sometimes kind of look the same a lot of the times. Like if you watch a Pixar movie, right?

unknown 9:37
Yeah.

Clif 9:37
Each Pixar movie, the characters are very individually distinct, right? They are they are starting. Yeah, you've gotten through 25 of them. And maybe that's the thing. Maybe, maybe Japanese anime has gone so much farther than kind of Disney or Pixar has gone that they that they've just accepted that here's some base styles that we work in and how characters kind of look. Um, but even from the 70s and the 80s as a kid, this stuff kind of all a lot of it anyway looks the same. But um, but getting past that, like right away, I thought um my first thought was so it's Inception as a cartoon? And fucking sure enough, dude. Like Yeah, and I've never watched Inception, however, I've seen this a bunch of finally entrenching my belief that Christopher Nolan is a fucking fraud. I never like that guy's movies. He's he straits lifts this from paprika. I mean, I mean, uh, I think Inception is 2009, 2010, 2000, something like that. I mean, so this is two or three years earlier, so it's very, it's very clear. Now, I'm not saying that yes, we've had like Dreamscape and what's uh what are the others of Brain Scan?

Marty 10:40
Brainstorm, right? Brainstorm. Well, brainstorm is the one with Edward Furlong about the video game that comes to life, I think. But Brain Scan is the Natalie Wood, where it's similar to this where they put a device on and you can go into the VR of the people's memories. I think you got that backwards. I think brainstorm is the Natalie Wood. Well, I thought I looked them up, but go ahead.

Clif 11:00
Maybe you ran my dream and flipped it backwards. Let me just double check real quick.

Marty 11:03
Yeah, Brainstorm is the walking wood one. Yeah, so it's but there's also Strange Days, yes, which is a VR nightmare one uh with Juliet Lewis and uh like Ray Fines, right? Was that and then also don't forget Videodrome, which you covered on your show about you know melting TVs and guns that stick to your hand, and I still don't know what's going on in that movie. I listened to your whole podcast on it. I've seen the movie many times over the years. I still can't make heads or tails.

Izzy 11:35
Oh yeah, me and me and Maynard just arguing about it, basically.

Clif 11:39
That's the that's the movie that David Lynch wished he'd made.

Izzy 11:43
Um with this one, I mean, it paprika is based off of a novel which was written, you know, earlier and um so it was adapted, so it was even older. And I think they said that these the when they started working on this and kind of putting it together and working with the author, it was 2003. So yeah, they were they were working on it for a while.

Clif 12:07
So this novel's been around since the early 2000s, late 1990s, then somewhere in there.

Izzy 12:12
Yeah, it was uh 1993.

Clif 12:14
Oh, geez, okay, so early 1990s.

Izzy 12:17
Okay, that's fascinating.

unknown 12:18
Huh.

Izzy 12:20
Yeah, I mean, uh I would be nervous, but he they basically the the director and the author both play the bartenders who are seen in the bar in the movie. Um which I think is great, but the director said he was so nervous that the author was there because he just wanted to make sure he did a good job and that he liked you know what he was working on because it was based on it on his book, but it will, you I mean, he obviously took liberties with it, so he he was just hoping that it was good. But he did, he liked it, so I was excited for him watching the special features.

Clif 12:51
I was like, oh, that's awesome. You know when that old man jumps out of the window, you know, and tries to kill himself? Yeah, the cheese? Yeah, see, you couldn't do that now because they've they've installed nets over all that shit. There's no way you could they fucking they're smart, they learn, you know, they're they empirically inspect and then adapt their behaviors based upon the craziness of their society, right?

Izzy 13:13
Yeah, I was surprised he only came out with a coma and not dead.

Marty 13:17
Same same.

Clif 13:18
I thought everybody was dying in this. I'm like, oh, they're still alive. Okay. Some of my favorite dialogue is from that scene right before with that with that old the little professor old professor guy. I can't remember his name, but I just call him the chief. He's yeah, the chiefs. He says that discipline calls for a search of the DC mini rather than paprika's bikini. And I was like, yes, now we're talking. And then you start to realize, oh, he's fucking like okay, something's warping his brain. And then he says they need to fully realize the liver of the triangle rulers. And I was like, I fucking love this dialogue. Like for just for like crazy person dialogue, this is fantastic. I can't remember any of it, but it's I don't specifically wrote those two down. Like I stopped and backed it up and was like, I gotta write that down as I'll never remember it.

SPEAKER_05 14:01
So it was awesome.

Marty 14:02
That's why I had to go back and watch the first half hour again because I was like, wait, there was there's some quotes that were too good that I wanted to hit. Uh of course, the don't you think dreams and the internet are similar. They're both areas where the repressed conscious mind vents. Hey, podcasting. Ain't that the fuck? And then uh what might be my favorite, science is nothing but a piece of trash before a profound dream.

Izzy 14:28
Yeah. I think the chairman said that, right?

Marty 14:32
Yes, he does.

Izzy 14:33
Yeah. That guy. So self-righteous.

Clif 14:39
I it's so there's a lot of tropes in this one visually and metaphorically within the dreams. There are a lot of child baby dolls, uh robots, um, you know, the um the animals, the frogs, right? There's all these kind of metaphorically, right? A lot of symbology, right? And yeah, and and tropes in general. But I to I I'm I was thinking about it as I'm watching, I'm like, I, you know, I guess that kind of makes sense because people all we all have kind of the same types of dreams. We don't have the same exact dreams, but we all have dreams about falling, or we all have dreams about, you know, these panic dreams where you wake up naked or you wake up and you're late for, or you're late you're late for a test, right? So you're rushing around trying to trying to catch the bus, right? They're all about being late or they're about panic situations. They're all similar in their in in as far as like what your subconscious is trying to expel and and deal with while you're sleeping, right? Which is whatever the fuck you dealt with the day before or that you're worried about that's coming up the day after, right? But it so it really like it kind of hit me, was like, oh, that makes a actually that makes a lot of fucking sense that this dream world that they're all sharing kind of has a lot of similarities in it. Um, I found that uh really kind of compelling and very smart, like for an anime just you know, for what I'm watching is basically it's just a cartoon, you know what I mean?

Izzy 15:58
Yeah, from what I saw with the author of the book, though, he was really into like the psychoanalysis of the mind and things like that. So that's so I guess the work that he based it off on the novel. Now I really want to read the novel so that I can see where he was getting all the ideas because I think like the detective and all of that aspect was something that was brought into play for the movie.

Clif 16:21
My my favorite line in the film is implanting dreams into other people's heads is terrorism. And I'm like, you're fucking A right it is.

SPEAKER_02 16:29
Yes.

Clif 16:29
There is not there. In fact, I can't think of a worse form of fucking terrorism. And me is me infecting my you with my dreams. Like I can't think of it, especially if they're nightmares. Like I can't imagine. I don't want your fucking dreams in my head. Get that sh keep that shit to yourself.

Izzy 16:44
Yeah, with all of this AI talk, they're saying, Oh, we'll start advertising in your dreams, and then just like fuck that.

Clif 16:51
Hell, you know, no, you go right to hell and you die. No, absolutely not. Go fuck yourself with that. Yeah, definitely.

unknown 16:59
Yeah.

Clif 16:59
I love this movie's wild creativity. Like, I I loved its wild. Like, and of course, he smartly sets up this dream world where you can have this wild creative, like, you know, you it's it's really smart what the way he tells the story and and they go about it because you get in these dream worlds and now you can have this crazy stuff, you know, and and these great visuals and these still all the symbolism going on.

Izzy 17:21
And a lot of it I'm not always familiar with. Like, I know that they have like the monkey king where she's where paprika is like flying on like the little cloud, and that's something from their history and legends that I'm not absolutely uh knowledgeable. But I've seen like, you know, mini shows of it a little bit, but not enough to to really know no about it.

Clif 17:41
That reminds me of Whitnol and I. We watched Withnull and I a couple of weeks ago, and and I I I remember telling Mario, I'm like, I kind of lament not being British. Yeah. Because I because I feel like there's so many British subtleties in this movie that I'm not getting, I'm not picking up on. Like, yeah, like you just said, I don't know that there's there's a symbolism in her writing on this cloud. I have no idea. But if I'm a you know kid in Japan and I'm watching this, then I'm like, oh, they're referencing that. That's cool, it's meta. I'm lost on me.

Marty 18:07
I mean, it's cool to see. Instead, I'm over here just thinking Freddie Krueger's around the corner, you know. It's like dreams, and it's like, oh, did I wear this shirt on purpose, maybe?

Izzy 18:18
Wear the dream.

Marty 18:20
I'm sorry.

Clif 18:22
Solving the mystery of why you killed yourself is a very cool concept. Like, I really think that that's a cool fucking concept. Like, oh, he killed himself and he's solving his own mystery of why he killed himself. I don't know how to do it. I know who killed me.

Marty 18:37
Well, I'm I'm making a dumb show. It's possible.

Izzy 18:40
Yeah, I mean, and I love how they are like, Well, we're gonna go into your dream so we can do it's like a form of therapy. Like, oh, it was interesting that you had that dream. Maybe this is why you know you were thinking it that way, and him like ban, like basically saying, I don't want anything to do with movies, yet his dreams are basically nothing but little tiny movies, vignettes all strung together. I just loved it.

Clif 19:03
Yeah. No, I I I'm I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you on that.

Izzy 19:07
Yeah, and I first saw this when I was like 18. Like uh a boyfriend I had at the time was just like, hey, this is a trippy movie, and um, and it would have only been out for a couple of years, not to make your backs hurt or anything. So um but yeah, it had only been out for a couple of years, and I I saw it and I was like, this is amazing. And as soon as I could, I bought the DVD and I still have it. So that's what I've that's what I've popped in, and I was like, oh, it has audio commentary. And I'm like, oh, the filmmakers are doing audio commentary, that's cool. How is that gonna work? And then I play it, and I was like, oh, this isn't gonna work. I don't know Japanese. No Nintendo Haponesa, no, I don't know what they're saying. I can't listen to this commentary.

Clif 19:57
Oh, that's great. Um when Paprika is running from the chairman, you know that scene where she's running and she's changing forms? Like she's running from the chairman, the chairman's chasing her, and she's a bird, and she's this and she's that.

Izzy 20:10
Yeah, and she goes into like the Sphinx and everything.

Clif 20:12
Yes, it reminds me of Did you ever see The Sword and the Stone by Disney?

Izzy 20:17
Oh, maybe only once or twice. I haven't seen that one a lot.

Clif 20:20
So there's a there's a great scene where Merlin takes young Arthur and trend to the moat and transforms him into a fish to teach him a lesson, and they're both fish, and but they end up getting hunted by other things and they're changing and they're changing forms, he's changing into this, and he's changing into that. And it was really cool. And I was like, oh, I wonder if he kind of a little homage to Disney, because I know that you know, these animators they pass these homages back and forth like musicians do in their songs, right? And I kind of wondered if that was kind of an homage because it just felt very Merlin and Arthur as fish, and then you know, in that whole scene. So worth worth a look if you haven't seen that. That's actually that's a good point.

Izzy 20:56
Yeah, because it's definitely probably not Willow, right? Where they're transferring possible, I guess. I I everybody likes to talk smack about Willow, so I'm always trying to get that into conversation.

Clif 21:07
I can't stand that fucking movie. So yeah, I haven't seen that movie in so long, specifically because it was so bad the last time I saw it. I can't do it. That's okay. I love it.

Marty 21:17
Willow was inspired by the sword and the stone too, probably. Probably.

Clif 21:21
Honestly, it was. It's it's time for a rewatch. I remember I was I was talking to somebody online the other day, and they were they were going off about some movie that I was like, you like that piece of Will. I haven't seen that in 30 years. I guess it's time for a rewatch, so I can I no, I'm like that. I watched it's still terrible.

Izzy 21:36
Sucker Punch when I was 17, and I've never watched it since.

Clif 21:40
I ran that in my movie theater when I ran a movie theater, and I got so excited. I was like, This is a dude who did 300, and I watched this like, this is the most misogynist piece of shit I've seen in it.

Izzy 21:49
Oh, okay, cool. Holy shit. My my friend was like, You should like this movie, and I was like, Well, I don't, so never watch this movie again.

Izzy 21:59
Well, and I don't

Izzy 22:00
Remember anything from it.

Clif 22:03
I just I just remember it being about trapped girls who are being you know kept for gross men and they're escaping by having these visions and these dreams of of freedom and fighting and whatever. And I just think who the fuck wants to tell this story?

Marty 22:17
What a fucking plot idea for paprika stuff.

Clif 22:24
Like and subscribe. Um the whole hand in the crotch gag is really disturbing where he puts his hand on her crotch and then he shoves it into her body and then rips her open from crotch to head. Yeah. Like rips the paprika shell open to get to the woman inside, which I thought was really I was like, oh, that's fucking and then of course the tentacles come out and we get just a tiny bit of tentacle porn because it's anime, and of course, we've gotta, you know, we've gotta play respects to Yurochitoki Doji and Legend of the Overfiend and the Demon Womb and all that stuff, because why where would we be without it? Yeah. And uh, but it's it's uh it's just for a second for the chairman, and I and it's I know it's tree roots, it's not tentacles, but it's just a second. It gives the same vibe. Rock in through the mouth type of vibe.

Izzy 23:12
I'm like, oh the Dr. Uh Osanai is trying to like kidnap her for himself, but he's basically that other guy's bitch.

Clif 23:21
Yeah.

Izzy 23:21
Yeah, he's the chairman's bitch.

Clif 23:23
He's the chairman's bitch for sure.

unknown 23:25
Fucking weird.

Clif 23:25
That guy's a weirdo, too, man.

Izzy 23:27
No, it definitely I probably have watched this, I don't know, maybe a good half a like at least a dozen times by now. Since, you know, like I said, I've I've been watching it since I was 17. So um, man, that first watch, I was like, I cannot wait to watch this again because what the fuck was that?

SPEAKER_05 23:43
Yeah, totally. No, I guess.

Izzy 23:45
All of it. I mean, and then when it gets towards the end after the chairman, like basically when the dream world and the reality meld together, and the chairman is like, I am all powerful and I'm gonna fuck everything up. I'm a god, I have legs now, ha ha ha. Um, and then she's like, Oh, I have an idea. How about I just start as a little baby drinking up this dream sludge and growing up and then take him out and ta-da.

Clif 24:09
And then I'll just eat you.

Izzy 24:11
I'll just eat you eat you.

Clif 24:13
This is honestly this movie has some weird food things. Like it's kind of it's the the guy, the the and the only part of the movie that I was just like, is the whole, well, I'm in love with the big fat guy. Like that never happens in real life.

Marty 24:27
Because I'm like, wait a minute, did they hint to that in the beginning? I even watched the beginning twice, and it seemed like oh, we're just gonna wrap it up real quick.

Clif 24:35
Yeah, it felt like a it did, it did definitely feel like a Deus X mock.

Marty 24:38
Did I miss some some subtext earlier on? Was there a hint?

Clif 24:43
I just didn't feel like there was. What do you think, Izzy?

Izzy 24:46
Oh, I had always yeah, because she cared about him too much to just be like she she had all of this admiration and respect where everybody else was like, he's just this fat lard. And then it's like, no, actually, he's a genius, so shut the fuck up.

Clif 24:59
Yeah, he's definitely a genius for sure. Um and I I mean I like his character in general. I just thought it just seemed a little, you know, felt a little like said tacked on at the end. But again, I don't watch a lot of anime, not picking up on the subtle leads. Well, once too, so yeah, and I've only watched it once, too.

Izzy 25:17
Yeah, that's true. And he wrote it in a way that he didn't know what the end was quite as he was writing it, mostly because and he said it was because he wanted it to be a surprise as much to him as to everybody else when they're watching it. And I know sometimes when people do it, they're just like, ah, we're just you know, fuck it, we're just gonna make it up as we go along, but it's not a method, you know. Yeah, he more used it as a method versus it seemed like anyway, versus just well, we're gonna get through this because somebody's probably improving your way through it. Yeah, yeah.

Clif 25:51
DC Mini sounds like a car. It doesn't sound like a psychiatric instrument, it sounds like a fucking car.

Izzy 25:56
This is the DC Mini.

Clif 25:58
Yeah, check out my new DC Mini.

Izzy 25:59
Beep, beep, you know, honk honk. You know, it's like look like the little Coopers, you kind of do like an Italian job kind of situation with them.

Clif 26:08
Yeah, specifically for the Washington, D.C. area and the Washington, D.C. vibe. The DC Mini.

Marty 26:13
I could have paired this with DC Cab with Mr. T.

Clif 26:16
Oh, that would have been a fucking great idea.

Marty 26:18
Oh and you've seen DC Cab.

Clif 26:23
Oh, you haven't seen DC Cab? Okay, that's an 80s classic. Nobody's seen DC Cab. I snuck into it. I saw it when I was a child in the movie theater. I was the I think I was 11, and I should not have been anywhere near that point.

Marty 26:34
I think correct me if I'm wrong, is the director of DC Cab the director of The Lost Boys?

Clif 26:40
I believe that that is correct, sir.

Marty 26:42
Still Schumacher? You're going down that rabbit hole again. That's creepy, man. See, it's all connected, right? Jolie, Jolie Shu.

Clif 26:52
Yeah, yeah. St. Elmo's Fire and DC Cab.

Marty 26:55
St. Elmo's Fire. Well, Schumacher was all over the place. And he did with Batman nipples later on, too, with his Batman Nippers.

Clif 27:01
That's right, he did Batman nipples. This guy. That's a fucking menace. Absolute menace. Joey Schumacher, you cocaine dup menace.

Marty 27:12
Ah, let's make it. That's the next movie, though. Do you have any more thoughts on paprika? I mean, I know I have tons of thoughts, but I'm still trying to gather them all. I'm sure weeks from now I'll I could do a whole other episode on it.

Clif 27:28
I mean, I enjoyed it. I I uh anime's not my go-to, right?

Marty 27:33
Um me either, but I forgot it was one in a way. It just turned out exactly about 10 minutes in, yeah.

Clif 27:39
Yeah, it's super anime is super varied, so it's hard to hit on the good stuff, you know, the stuff that you want to see that isn't kind of I feel like a lot of anime is very up its own ass at times. So it's nice to get when you get stuff like this that comes out clear, has a clear story, is really creative, really well done. You could tell it's well written. The dialogue, again, that funky fucking dialogue was awesome. Uh like I was just like, yeah, this is I'm I'm in. As soon as this he started talking like a maniac, I was told.

Izzy 28:06
Even somehow the nonsense is like is absolutely like yeah, oh it's supposed to be nonsense and it's still so good.

Clif 28:15
Yeah, I don't know. I just I enjoyed it all the way through. I thought it was super creative, it kept moving. Yeah, I turned into a frog and joined the parade. Yeah. Give me a give me a trumpet. Let's go already. You know, just don't make me one of those creepy fucking dolls, and we'll be fine, you know. I like the dolls. Oh, no.

Izzy 28:32
I think the creepiness of it all um just added to my love of the movie.

Clif 28:39
You uh are you a fan of um uh nightmare uh uh Nightmare Before Christmas?

Izzy 28:44
I am okay.

Clif 28:45
There you go. Yeah, that's the aesthetic. Okay, that makes sense. Um, but no, I mean I don't have anything other to say other than I I I enjoyed the watch. I'm I'm glad she I'm glad she brought it on. Again, I wouldn't have seen it because I just don't go to anime as a go-to, so yeah, and I don't ever get to talk about this movie really.

Izzy 29:01
Um, and it's just I don't watch a lot of anime, um, but the ones that I do love, this this has been one that I've I've kept with me because it's just so good. I mean, obviously you have to- I can see why. Like Spirited Away, I think was another one that I watched when I was really young. But you know, that was more of a family-friendly kid movie, whereas this one, I was like, I didn't know anime could be so like wild, you know. It definitely left an impression on me. And I've always been one for dreams. Like, I know there's some people who just they don't give a fuck about your dreams, they don't want to hear you talk about your dreams. That's weird. Like, not like aspiration dreams, but you know, nobody cares if you were on a never-ending escalator ride or something and you were trapped.

Clif 29:43
You know, like I've always been fascinated by that shit. Like lucid dreaming, I find fascinating. The ability to be awake in your dreams and to control them is a fascinating thought to me. I've never been able to every now and then in my life, I've realized I've been in a dream, but I've usually at that point woken up, right? But apparently for lucid dreamers, you can literally wake up in your dream and then be in your dream as a as a woke person. Yeah, choose to do things amazing, right? Like and movies in general that kind of mess with dreams in the dreaming state have always kind of been cool to be like again. We talked about Dreamscape and brainstorm and these type of movies. I think they're dope. Like, I love that stuff.

Marty 30:17
And then there's like a whole other sub-subgenre of it where it's things like uh uh Donnie Darko or Jacob's Ladder, where it's not so much dreams, but time and space is all mushed up. Yeah, it's like that's probably like a Mahal and Drive or something where it's like, what? It's my dream. Well, it's your dream. It doesn't make sense. Well, video drone, full circle again.

SPEAKER_02 30:42
But yeah.

Marty 30:43
Those are neat movies. But I feel like Freddy is around the corner and every single one of them ready to slash Pete. It's that dream demon, nobody's ever topped that type of thing in the dream. It's like even in the paprika, there were elements of it where you gotta wake her up because if she dies in the dream, she dies in real life. But doesn't that happen in the uh Dreamscape as well when you're in there with Dennis Wade, you could die as well.

Clif 31:08
So in brainstorm you get kind of the opposite of that where the woman having the heart attack actually puts the puts the device on and records herself dying, so you get to see her drifting into the ex the next whatever consciousness or whatever.

Marty 31:25
Christopher Walken's obsessed with getting the tape and putting on the device that looks a lot like the DC device, actually. It does. It does, it really does. A tribute movie.

Clif 31:34
I like and I kind of like that because I like it it kind of connects all these movies that are in this milieu sort of together, which is neat.

Marty 31:41
The dreams are combining.

Izzy 31:42
That's cool. Yeah, like there's that scene where they're in the car and uh the chief where I guess no, um Dr. Chiba, who is basically paprika, is telling the chief how you know all of these little tiny dreams are basically connecting into one giant dream, and while they're doing that, like the raindrops with the animation are all coming together and little tiny things like that. Even in the very beginning, when um paprika is like two guys walk up to her while she's just minding her own fucking business, because of course they do, and um like they're obviously trying to hit on her, and although like her actual face seems like she's you know smiling and being polite to them, there's all these different mirrors showing all of these like different levels of disgust and indifference and everything. There's so many little tiny things in this movie with the scene changes that are just so awesome, and I I just love it.

Clif 32:34
I like how they I like how they talk to her, the paprika persona in the dream in the dream sequences. They talk to her like she's a superhero or like she's some sort of like special entity, like, oh my god, paprika is here, and you're just like, oh, here we go, you know. And like the only thing missing is like a fucking theme song for her entrance type of thing, you know what I mean? Like um, I imagine if it was just made now, there would be some sort of big, you know, one piece fucking entry theme song.

Izzy 33:01
Yeah, that's the case. Definitely some kind of awesome needle drama. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Marty 33:06
It reminded me of people like that back in the day. We'd call them Fry Lords because she could take all the drugs in the world, doesn't affect her. Things that get so weird, but she's the one who it's like whatever. I am I am solid.

Clif 33:22
You always running ground control for all of the um I give it three stars, three out of five. Yeah, I think it's solid. I'd definitely watch it again. I will watch it again. Um I may I reserve the right during our season review to maybe go a little higher on it. I'm still chewing on it. I'm still which is usually the I the the sign of a good movie is when you continue to think about it, right?

Marty 33:50
Um yeah, I'm gonna go three. Yeah, I'm gonna do a three as well, right there with you on that. Yeah. Not not like a middling score, but you know, anything three or above for me is like, oh, definitely it's it's good. Rewatch rewatchable, it's well made. The twos are where you start to go into the well. Two and a halves and the twos, yeah. Yeah. This was this was interesting.

Clif 34:12
This, you know. Yeah, I don't give out a lot of fours for four and a halves or five.

Marty 34:15
Yeah, we reserve the uh the high high end for the really high art for animal and shit.

Clif 34:22
What do you give it? Yeah, I'm assuming five.

Izzy 34:25
Oh, definitely four and like a four and a half, I guess. Yeah, more five. It's definitely one of yeah, like I said, my favorite favorite animes, even though I'm not huge anime, I am a huge dream nerd and also surrealist kind of movies, which um I think we did mention the um like Forbidden Zone kind of thing. I like when it's when things feel like a fever dream while I'm watching it, okay, and it's coherent enough for me to enjoy, I'm locked in. I love that show. Okay. So this is a very me episode. You got fever dream, weird shit, and vampires. And I don't think I don't know two other movies to introduce your audience to with me. Like that's perfect.

Clif 35:04
Ladies and gentlemen, Izzy.

Izzy 35:06
He it's me.

Clif 35:11
You didn't see her. She put the hands under her chin. It was very um okay, so that wraps up paprika. Um, that was good. Thanks for thanking really thanks for bringing that on. Again, I don't watch much anime anymore, so I because it's just there's so much of it. It's hard to it's hard to figure out what the good stuff is and what isn't.

Marty 35:27
Well, that's both a lot of genres, right? You gotta pick through them.

Clif 35:30
Yeah, yeah, you gotta pick through them. That's true.

Izzy 35:32
And I can't see this being a live action. They this is the only way to do it, you know.

Clif 35:37
Well, no, you can't see it. It's called Christopher Nolan's Thievin Ass doing Inception. There's a lot of things.

Izzy 35:41
Oh, see, yeah, no, and I refuse to watch that. Because when someone mentioned it, I was like, that just sounds like paprika, and they're like, actually, paprika sounds like Inception. And I was like, No, it's the other way around.

Clif 35:50
It's the other way around. Inception sounding like paprika, yeah.

Izzy 35:53
And I just never bothered because I was like, why paprika exists? Like I mean, it's it's it's different.

Clif 35:58
I mean, it's a story, it's a different story, but it's the same elements and it's the same milieu, and it I mean, you'd probably you watching that would probably piss you off because you'd be like, oh my god, dude. I could be watching paprika right now. What else did you fucking lift from this? Fucking thief.

Marty 36:12
So what you're saying is uh paprika is the real one, and the doctor is basically Inception. She's like, Did you ever think that maybe I'm the real one and you're the fake one? There you go. Which brings us to the Lost Boys. You know what a what a really good title. The boys are. I was thinking about that, because you know, they're the Peter Pan, they're the kids that never grow up, and we've never really put Peter Pan into a vampire story before this, right? That I can think of.

Clif 36:46
There's even like a 10-year-old kid in this who's a vampire.

Marty 36:49
That's true.

Clif 36:50
So he's well, he's That's not creepy at all.

Marty 36:52
He isn't all the way there yet, but it's it's Anne Rice, right? We'll we'll talk about it here in a second. What is what is the Lost Boys?

Clif 37:02
Lost Boys, 1987, rated R, one hour and 37 minutes. When a recently divorced mother and her two teenage boys move to a coastal town to stay with her father, their grandfather, it doesn't take long for the brothers to realize the area is a haven for something much more sinister than party going surfers. Uh, this is directed by Joel the Cocaine-nosed Schumacher, uh, written by uh three different writers on this film. That makes sense. Jan Fisher, James Jeremiah, and Jeffrey Boehm. Stars Jason Patrick, Corey Hay, and Diane West with another special appearance by the other Corey. Uh let's see, storyline. A mother and her two sons move to a small town in California. The town is plagued by bikers and mysterious deaths. The young boys make friends with two other boys who claim to be vampire hunters, while the older boy is drawn into the gang of bikers by a beautiful girl. The older boy starts sleeping days and staying out all night while the younger boy starts getting into trouble because of his friend's obsession.

Marty 38:00
So it's just an allegory for drug use in the 80s, right? You're staying out all night with those bad kids and you're you're getting into habits and you're becoming a creature of the night. You're a coke fiend. Hey, it's it's the Joel Schumacher story. I know, that's just maybe it's more satirical on that.

Clif 38:18
Yeah, no, I I I'm I'm I don't have anything to say back to that, honestly. I don't yeah, okay.

Marty 38:28
Uh so 1987. Okay, so I've talked about that time period before. You know, we get the with Mel and I in '87. But then we also I say 87 to 94 is kind of like an era in film and pop culture. And so you get this bookmark of uh, or bookends, I'd say, of uh Lost Boys to Interview with the Vampire, because you get that at 94, and both have kid vampires in them. Coincidence, probably, maybe not. I don't know.

Izzy 38:55
I think not.

Marty 38:57
And this is a movie, much like Say Anything, that I feel like it was made for the generation just slightly before me. And I've I've always liked it, but there's always been a little bit of a disconnect to it where I haven't been able to get all the way in.

Clif 39:11
It was made for the high school kids in '87, and you weren't in high school. You were you were just entering high school or coming out of middle school.

Marty 39:18
So I was singing the uh got no home song and doing the shoe horn. That's exactly what you were doing, yeah.

Clif 39:27
Telling Nanuk to calm down and stop biting your brother. That's exactly it. That makes sense. Um the thing about this movie is and and I'll say this right off the bat, um, this movie is effortlessly cool. Like this fucking movie is fucking effortlessly cool. Like, even coming out of black, if you have headphones on and you're listening to this movie, coming out of black, it's cool. Like the three seconds of black before it starts to sh open up and start the movie, you hear people talking and things going on, and then the movie starts, and you're like, this fucking movie. It just starts that way and it continues and continues to be cool and cooler and cooler every fucking step of the way. Every step of the way, it's effortless in that in that regard.

Izzy 40:06
Yeah, it made me want to go back to a boardwalk with an amusement park, you know? I was like, man, that looks so much fun. I mean, I don't think we have a half-naked guy playing a saxophone with pyrotechnics, but um Well, and that that tells you the power of this movie.

Clif 40:21
That fucking guy goes on con circuits, man. Yes, he fucking signs autographs as only shirtless. Yes, 30 seconds in the beginning, yes, March Do Believe, boom, fucking career, man. Career.

Izzy 40:34
The sweaty guy with the saxophone, he's going places. That's right. Shake that ass.

Marty 40:40
I think I saw him in that parade in paprika when they were in place.

Izzy 40:48
If I had a a parade like paprika in my brain, he'd definitely be in it for sure.

Clif 40:52
Mm-hmm. Uh it takes a while for me to get used to Bill S. Preston Esquire being a vampire in this movie. That's a bit weird. But you know, it's before Bill and Ted. It is, but it is, but it's just Bill and Ted. It's just that's you know, that's that is Bill S. Preston Esquire. I'm sorry. He's every time I watch every time I watch this movie, I kind of have to go, uh, okay, you know, keep expecting to go, whoa. Um, but this is definitely a horror movie. It falls solidly in the lines of horror, even if it is kind of PG 13-ish type of horror. Um, it's a vampire flick, it follows all the rules. The only rule that I was a little unaware of, I I think I have it later on, is um there's a there's a rule I'm not super familiar with that they they quote. Um where is it? Anyway, I'll find it. But yeah, it's it does definitely does follow that sort of horror vampire trope, which uh is good.

Marty 41:50
Yeah, it's like we watched Centers uh a few weeks back, and that's like uh more of a serious dramatic vampire movie, which is good. Right. Here you have like a cool, fun, more of an action movie. This is yes, and these are the more that I lean towards. I enjoy them both, but I prefer my horror movies to be a little more action-y, kind of fun. This is like a um like a near dark experience.

Clif 42:16
Yeah, much more of a near-dark type of experience.

Marty 42:18
See, I thought centers reminded me of near dark as well. So maybe well see, near dark came out the same time as Lost Boys, so it's interesting you bring that up. You know, well, I think you've got overshadowed.

Clif 42:28
Mention that smoking, that the vampire smoking.

Marty 42:32
They don't twinkle in the sun or sparkle in the sun, they smoke.

Clif 42:36
Fucking muscled up sax guy, and he still believes. And then we get Jamie Gertz, she owns a fucking baseball team now. She's giving everybody the finger sitting on a pile of money. Yeah, yeah.

Marty 42:47
She's she was yeah, her husband fucking she married well. Let's put it to you that way. And she still acts occasionally. You know, both her and Jason Patrick were on entourage, so I thought that was fun. You got your little lost boys connection there.

Clif 42:59
Well, when you're rich, you can dabble in things.

Marty 43:02
Right? I think she's more of a philanthropist, too. I don't think she's like one of these good for her. Rich, horrible people.

Clif 43:12
Um, I feel like the characters the Coreys are portraying in this movie were very kind of like ended up being very close to real life, where you know, you had the Cory Haym, Corey Haim, who was kind of just a normal kid with a you know a dog and and a mom, and then you had Corey Felbin, who was a fucking complete weirdo, um, who hunts vampires and owns a comic book store and genuinely believed they did they were tough. They did. They really until they stabbed that one vampire and he exploded on them. They were just like oh god. It's one of the best fucking scenes in the movie, man. It really is so great. It's so great.

Izzy 43:54
And then when they're outside, no, it's because they basically put a spell on us. It wasn't it wasn't our fault. They started talking. Yeah.

Clif 44:01
Jesus.

Marty 44:01
And they got Kiefer trying to they drag Kiefer into the sunlight. Oh, it's so fucking good. See, you remind me of an issue with the sequels, is they're they're not as they're not fun. They don't have that bark of the of that energy. They take themselves a little more seriously via direct to video sequels.

Clif 44:18
Yeah, this is Yeah, I've never even seen them. This has such a laid back kind of vibe, like a cool, laid-back, like you're it's it's not scary. It's a horror movie, but it's not really scary. It's there's tense moments. There's it's thrilling. It's a roller coaster, right? Yeah. And it's a roller coaster, but it's not truly horrifying. It's not scary. It's not something that's gonna give you nightmares. It's uh in fact, it's something where you're gonna wake wake up going, oh Kiefer, you know, that type of thing, you know. Oh Jamie.

Izzy 44:46
I think it was like on TNT all the time, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 44:50
Maybe um cable all the time.

Izzy 44:52
So yeah, that's how I watched it on cable all the time. 24 that's when it would be on. Um and yeah, there were definitely the parts that would scare me, like when they go all when they vamp out, or even when they like abduct the people that are like making out and reading the comic books that they got that stole in the car and they just come and snatch them up. And apparently the surfer guys that were all hanging out were Nazis. Did you know that? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 45:18
I didn't know that. Well, like fuck all those guys, you can kill as many of those guys as you want. I have no surf Nazi friends at all.

Izzy 45:23
That was a public service right there, so I'm not even mad at them for that. But no, in the subtitles, it was like, yes, surf Nazis all sing to to the wow.

Clif 45:33
Dear vampires out there, kill all the surf Nazis that you want. Nobody's gonna complain about that.

Izzy 45:38
Oh my god, are we sure they're bad guys right now, just in this particular case? Who are the dexterous vampires? I mean, I think the only guy that we saw that they really ate that was maybe bad was the security guard. Maybe we don't know. Maybe they saw him do some shady shit and they're like, he's gotta go. But they they killed thieves and apparently Nazis. So were they that bad?

Clif 46:00
Who knows? Well, I mean, you know, they started shit with that dude on the boardwalk with his girlfriend, and then they fucking killed him and ate, you know, and I don't know. It's just for fun. Six and one half dozen in the other, right? Um You gotta eat. Fucking fucking grandpa's a joker. He's just fucking trying to lay there acting like he's dead on the porch from a heart attack when they pull up. Like his poor fucking daughter's poor fucking daughter's gone through a divorce, lost everything in the divorce, got packed her kids into a car, drove cross-country, shows up, and her dad's dead on the fucking porch of a heart attack.

Izzy 46:32
Like, ha ha. Is this just macking me with vampires? Is that what you're saying?

Marty 46:39
He's playing dead, so the vampires would leave him alone.

Clif 46:41
That's how how old are the fucking frog brothers supposed to be? I don't know. Because they look like they're 30. Right. Like they look like they're 30 years old.

Marty 46:54
And they're already working at the are they working at the comic shop or do they just hang out there?

Clif 46:59
It's their parents, it's their their hippie parents behind them own it, and they run it because their hippie parents are all a stone behind him because that there's one point where they're on the phone talking to him, and then their hippie parents are behind them all fucking.

Marty 47:09
I feel that. And then the vampires run the video store. So are they trying to tell us something?

Clif 47:15
Is there symbology? Yeah, you guys stick to your comic books, stick to the comic books. Movie people are vampires. Uh the the I like how we're not shown who the killer actually are like we don't know who the vampires actually are for a while. We know we're pretty sure it's Kiefer Sutherland and the kid and the group, but we're not truly shown anybody getting killed. We don't know who's doing these murders. We don't know who kills a security guard, the couple making out. We don't know any of that stuff. Uh and and then, you know, until we finally get the good reveal, which is I think the bet the better way to tell the story, right? If we know it's keeper right from the beginning, I think it betrays a bit of what they're trying to do.

Marty 47:57
Yeah. The mystery, as paprika would say.

Izzy 48:02
I love that both of these also have elements for you guys. Um paprika was like the the guy really liking making movies, and then with this one you got the comic book store.

Marty 48:10
All right, yeah, yeah. So we don't cross the line of fission, and I've never seen it. The video store and the comic book store. So Lost Boys is pre-clerks, also.

Clif 48:23
The dialogue is kind of mad. I think where where the movie kind of falls apart is the actual dialogue of the movie. The actual dialogue is pretty bad at times. Like at one point he says, Michael's great. I like Michael. It's like, okay.

unknown 48:37
Like, what the fuck?

Clif 48:39
It's just you know who says go take go take your bath, you know, shit like that, where it's just it's just weird dialogue. It's just weird dialogue to part of it's to to get the exposition out of there, part of it's to move the story along, you know. But it just plays so weird.

Izzy 48:55
They say Michael like over a hundred times or something like that.

Clif 48:59
Oh, totally, yeah.

Izzy 49:00
They say his name constantly in this fucking don't don't do a drinking game with that because you'll be dead by the end of it. Star.

Clif 49:08
How big is your motorcycle penis, Michael? Let's find out. Vroom, vroom. Oh, sorry, that's the whole, you know, when they're all riding the motorcycles and trying to crotch rocket, I believe is the term.

Izzy 49:19
I was like, did he really say that? I don't remember.

Clif 49:22
I just imagine that's what I just imagine that's what Kiefer said to him, like whispered in his ear before they hopped on their bikes and rode off into this gay-coded fucking movie. So it's like break but with vampire. Dude, Marty's been talking about gay coding and by coding. He tried to he tried to label Vision Quest by-coding.

Marty 49:38
This movie is fucking gay coded, like nobody's before we get into further into that, just remember it is the 80s. The whole decade's like that. You could really read into a lot. You know, the posters in this movie. Let's start with the poster of Rob Lowe with the half shirt hanging up in Corey's room. Why is that poster there? Maybe because it's a photo still from St. Elmo's Fire, another movie the director made. It's also something to strive for.

Clif 50:07
Something you look, something you try to I'm gonna be like that one day. I'm gonna grow up to be like Rob Lowe.

Izzy 50:13
Do I want to beat him or do I want him?

unknown 50:16
Exactly.

Clif 50:17
Maybe both.

Marty 50:18
Playing saxophone in St. Elmo's Fire. The Shoe Walker had a saxophone fascination. But there's also other interesting posters in the background. There is one for reform school girls in the bedroom as well. So the art director must have been having a field day with this shit. And my personal favorite, no, not the uh Jim Morrison worshipping vampires, where they have that big poster. They have a poster for Munster Go Home in their hidden alcove, which then we get Eddie the Attack of Eddie Munster at the end of the movie. So well, we get a we get a bad, we get a bad people or strange cover in here.

Izzy 50:55
Oh, I'm so glad y'all called that out. I was like, why is it a cover? You could have just fucking exactly used. And then you used it twice. Like I was mad about the first time. The second time you came through, you couldn't use the original. Why did you do this to me? You spent all your money on walk this way? Come on.

Clif 51:12
Okay. It couldn't afford Morrison. That's what happened. Fucking creepy ass kids singing that thou shalt not die song. Um folks, if you're listening to this right now, what you want to do is you want to stop, you want to pull up you stop this podcast, pull up YouTube, and find Corey Feldman doing Cry Little Sister.

Izzy 51:40
Oh God.

Clif 51:40
Uh it is one of the worst fucking things you're ever gonna hear. It's fucking hilarious. And um it is wow, it is a moment. It is a moment that you will not forget. It is a moment that will stay with you for the rest of your life. I promise.

Marty 51:55
Right up there with those guitar solos from the recent Limp Biscuit tour. I think you saw any of those.

Izzy 52:01
I think I'm good. I think I'm gonna pass.

Clif 52:06
Um so I want to tell a story. So um I went to see this at Flix Brew House last year on the big screen. And I hadn't seen it for a while. Uh on the well, I probably hadn't seen it on the big screen since I saw it in the theaters when I was a kid. Uh and Flix, uh, when you go to a movie there, a lot of times they'll do a themed menu for the film. And so, and I thought this was I'm telling the story because I just think this is a brilliant marketing strategy. So one of the themed menu items was a box of fucking Chinese noodles. And they brought the box to you on a plate tipped over with the noodles spilled out with chopsticks. And it just, I was just like, and so I'm literally there's a couple next to me. She's got the noodles and she's eating them out of the box, and the fucking noodle scene comes up, and she just puts her box of noodles down and stops eating, and I'm like, Yeah, that was a bad call. Oh, the coward move. I would have gone harder. Yeah, fuck it. That's what I was thinking. Is like, if you you know, if you this surely this isn't your first time watching this movie, like you know, power through it, yeah. But it was fucking awesome. I was like, that's a really cool idea. Is to you know, here's your box of noodles, there you go.

Marty 53:16
So both films, people both films feature people slurping noodles. Yes, and then they drew the line, and then I think he fell into the instant noodles or you know, one of the true lines.

Izzy 53:29
Yeah, and Dr. Was it uh To Tokida is actually eating some Udan noodles when they're just back to back bringing him plates and plates of food? He's like, I need strength.

Clif 53:38
Yeah, um the okay, so the one vampire I'm unfamiliar with, you guys tell me, is drinking blood to turn into a vampire? Does it or does that turn you does it like turn you into like a thrall?

Marty 53:54
Yeah, it's kind of like going back to that Ann Rice type thing of like it it makes you like you said, you're the thrall, you're this half until you make your first kill. Until you make your first kill. Exactly. That's that's the way we put it on the city.

Clif 54:14
Well, I mean, who wouldn't want to drink?

Marty 54:16
I mean, if you're gonna get a beer, you don't want one from a bottle, you want one from the tap. Give me that vampire blood and let me go marching that parade. I mean what you're saying.

Izzy 54:24
I guess because they were still trying to hide that they're a vampire, so they didn't do it that way, they did it just the right way, and then they had the the the noodles, worms, and maggots beforehand, so he can be like, yeah, it's blood, okay, sure, like the other things, okay, fine.

Clif 54:38
Okay. I mean, if I offer you a can of Coke or a fountain drink, you're gonna take the fountain drink every time, right?

Izzy 54:45
You're gonna notice that something tastes like blood instead of wine, aren't you? I mean, I know he was a young kid, but have a fucking s take a sniff.

Izzy 54:53
You've never had a milk, yeah.

Marty 54:56
I mean he was into her that much, dude. I guess you know.

Clif 55:00
Well, this movie is a this movie is a good example of how far a man will go. I mean, this is both movies are both movies. That's true. That's true.

unknown 55:09
Very true.

Clif 55:10
It's parallels, it's crazy. So I want to say that there is one dead giveaway of who the main vampire is. And it's a dead giveaway, and it's the scene where um oh he's he's dead now. He he was the grandfather on Gilmore Girls, yeah. Edward Herman, right? Edward Herman, yeah. So there's a scene where he pulls up to his house and he it's night and he unlocks his gate and he goes and he's this long walk through his garden and all this shit. It's obviously him. Yeah, like at that point, you're like, that's the that's the guy. Like fright night all over again.

Marty 55:44
Like a dead giveaway, man. Yeah. And then he can't be, he needs to be invited in the house. But let me ask you this.

Clif 55:50
How does it- they're also offsetting that with all the like creepiness while he's walking towards his own house and shit. They're trying to make it sound like he's being hunted when it's actually his kids, you know, showing up to fucking do whatever.

Marty 56:00
Oh, yeah. So how did the lost boys get in the house? They weren't invited. Is it because you all invited the lead one in and then everybody else can come in? They don't say that.

Clif 56:09
I'm just guessing, you know. It's a very good point. Well, you know, because because you needed a third act and you needed and you needed uh you needed a big fight at the end.

Izzy 56:18
That's why. But I mean it makes sense. If you kill the lead one and everyone else is cured or dies, then if the lead one has the permission to go into that home, then anything beneath him would also have that.

Clif 56:31
Unlike centers, yeah. So I mean there's there's literally a point where Michael is freaking out about who he's turning into, and he flees to this girl, Jamie Gertz's character, and he's freaking out, and she goes, I don't know how to help you. And so she just has sex with him instead. So you just vagina help? Like, what the fuck? I mean, it does, but you know, really like thank you very much, and I'm I'm I'm definitely not thinking about it anymore. Well, I guess I kind of am now, but I wasn't during, but what the fuck? Anyway, yeah, well, I don't know how to help you, Michael. Let me take your jacket off.

Izzy 57:10
When I was younger, I was like, oh, this is so hot as an adult. I'm just like, but this isn't actually helping.

Clif 57:18
But yeah, it's like when you're set, when you're 15, you're like, ah, yeah, that's exactly in the middle of all this danger. You gotta stop and have sex, right? Like you got to.

Marty 57:28
Yeah, her character doesn't have a whole lot of agency, but to be fair, most of the people don't. No, it's it's not that type of movie.

Clif 57:36
It's not an agency type of movie.

Marty 57:38
You're you're a pawn and you're laddie has even less personalities.

Clif 57:41
You're you're a piece on a chessboard being moved around. Yeah. Laddie's fucking laddie. That's just weird to put that kid in that movie.

Izzy 57:49
Um Laddie. I thought his name was Lonnie, and I was like, his name's Laddie? Because he's a little lad. Because he's a little lad, laddie. A little lad who loves berries and cream, I guess. I don't know.

Marty 58:00
How old is this kid? How long has he been a half vampire? Well, he's on the milk carton.

Izzy 58:04
Yeah, he's on because so I mean, do people know what that is anymore? Do people know that that was a thing?

Marty 58:09
He looks like one of the lost boys with the jacket on. Hey. But yeah, milk carton kids. Who knows what that is anymore, right? Yeah.

Clif 58:16
Kids, kids on their BMX bikes riding around, solving problems and in trouble. Now that's the fucking 80s for you. That is strange right there. It's fucking every goddamn 12-year-old movie from the 80s. They always get on their bikes, the Goonies. Pick one. They're all they're all romping on their bikes, running around like crazy kids. That was our car. What do you expect from us?

Marty 58:38
Well, yeah, the the quarries didn't have a license yet, as you could tell, because he didn't have a license to drive. So it doesn't mean warp speed. Right. And but later we go to license to drive. Yes, we do quarries. Because this is like the height of the two quarries, even though it's kind of the beginning of it, it's still the height of it. And then having Alex Winter in there, you get that little almost Keanu thread from the Bill and Ted, and then you have my ex-wife's obsessions. So I had to sit through every Corey, every two quarry movie in existence. This is definitely one of the better ones, and all the solo movies, too.

Clif 59:16
I was I was about to ask you, and it was one of my notes here is how many actual good movies did the Coreys make? Oh, this is a few license to drive. No, it is not that good. And license to drive is really that good they did.

Marty 59:31
When you compare to Lost Boys, license to drive is sh is pretty crappy. Well, yeah, but you asked which the good ones were, and there's got to be something to rise to the top.

Izzy 59:40
You know, I've never even heard of license to drive.

Marty 59:42
Well, that's another fun 80s one for you there, where Corey Haim has to get a driver's license so he can go on a date. And Corey Feldman is there for some reason or another, because he always was. Sam Kennison around the corner with the Coke, I'm sure. Yeah. We have too many weird stories about Corey Haim and how the Kevin Bacon game of life swirled around. I remember one day coming home from work 30 some years ago and driving past a local laundromat, and there was Corey Haim shooting Fast Getaway 2 at this laundromat I used to frequent. Because he shot that here in Tucson, which is kind of fun to watch that movie to see all the different places here and how they don't really match up that way. But the really weird one is an obscure movie called Trade In about a used car lot. Uh, you'll never be able to find a copy of this movie. It was made here in Tucson about the same time that we were making one of our early movies called Comic Book Diaries that we don't like to talk about because hey, you gotta start somewhere. It's not that great. But the funny thing is, is there's people in our movie that are in the trade-in movie, and then there's people from Writing Frenzy who are in trade-in. There's people from Revenge of Zoe who are in trade-in. There's people from Love Song of William Mate Shaw who are in trade-in. And Cliff, you remember that short called Bequest that I edited about the guy who finds the old gun? He's in the damn trade-in movie. So it was like everybody's in it. Oh, and our grip Al is in the trade-in movie. You remember Al from Revenge of Zoe? He's in the damn movie again. I almost want to watch it a second time. But that's when Corey Haim lived here shortly in like 05. He was dating the teen queen uh the the Scream Queen Tiffany Sheppis at the time. And then he passed away shortly thereafter. He only made like a couple more movies. He wasn't it wasn't the greatest time period in his life around then, but every time I see Corey pop up in something, it's just so weird how it was like I almost met him, but never quite did. He was always right around the corner. And uh Cory Feldman is exactly 364 days older than me, which I've always thought was weird. Has nothing to do with the movie, but just you know, it's a podcast. Sometimes you want to fill a couple minutes. That first vampire kill is hilarious.

Clif 1:02:05
Uh, you know, that first stake through the heart and the explosion and the kids freaking out. There's a there's a moment, there's a moment as they drag Kiefer into the sunlight and he's screaming at their or there's he's screaming at the kids and he says, You're dead meat. And I feel like he's channeling his character Ace from uh from Standby Meat. It's the exact same fucking delivery where it's just like, oh dude, there's just the same character with vampire makeup on.

Izzy 1:02:30
I had actually just seen that movie um earlier. So funny. Was that this year that when um Robert had passed away? Was that I um my time foriner, yeah. That was the first time. Was it the end of the year or was it the beginning?

Clif 1:02:45
No, it was the beginning of this year.

Izzy 1:02:47
Okay. So then it was at the beginning of this year that I watched it. Um because I had never seen that one. And um, wow, that one it's good, but I was also like, I'm sad.

Marty 1:02:57
So um and Feldman again, yeah.

Izzy 1:03:01
Yeah.

Clif 1:03:02
Uh and so yeah, well the last thing I guess I'll say is I think that this is when you talk about when you really want to start poking at like gay-coded movies, this is what you're talking about. I think I feel like Vision Quest is exonerated from its possible by-coded just by the fact that this movie is so gay coded that there couldn't be another movie as gay coded as this movie is, it's amazing.

Marty 1:03:21
Well, this crawls so point break can run.

Clif 1:03:25
For sure, dude. That's no kidding. Um, one of my another favorite line is great, the bloodsucking Brady Bunch. Yes, that was awesome. I also love how I also love how they just they they they steal grandpa's car to go to town. And what's grandpa doing? Oh, he's just fucking putting some eight-foot fucking stakes in the ground, you know, these sharp ass fucking stakes. Those are gonna come into play soon. And those are gonna come into play soon because he's Deus Ex Grandpa as he comes in at the last moment to drive his truck and run the stakes through the main vampire's heart.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56
Yeah.

Clif 1:03:56
Oh, I love grandpa too, but it was just it's just such a you know, it's such a Deus Ex Machina, kind of like, well, how are we gonna wrap the film up? Grandpa comes in at the last minute and saves the day, you know.

Izzy 1:04:07
Um smoking weed and killing vampires and drinking his root beer.

Clif 1:04:12
But that last line from Grandpa, and when they when he closes that fridge door on them and the fucking light goes, that is that is a great last moment of the film. Like it's fucking perfect.

Izzy 1:04:22
It's and it's so funny too, because their face is like, are you fucking kidding? Just disbelieve.

Clif 1:04:28
What do you mean it's a fucking vampire town?

Izzy 1:04:30
Yeah, like the meme of the the Miss Doubtfire meme. It's like the whole time, the whole time, like you knew the whole time.

Marty 1:04:36
And if you watch him, you see that he knows. He knows, yeah, yeah.

Clif 1:04:40
Yeah, and he's watching them trying to figure out if they're gonna, if they're gonna A, figure it out, and B, if they're gonna you know have the have enough wits to survive, right?

Izzy 1:04:49
He's aware of what's going on for sure. Yeah, and all his weird little taxidermy animals as he's always giving Sam and everything. I love that with the beaver and everything, even with the kills with the with them landing on the horns and like the light. And of course, we don't like the song, but it was still pretty an like a really epic ass death for the the white light to be shining on him.

Marty 1:05:11
I couldn't imagine something else there.

Izzy 1:05:13
Yeah, it's it's such a good part. I mean, he almost the the the lead, was it Max? Yeah, he almost seemed a little sad that his kids were all dead.

Clif 1:05:24
Yeah, he did, didn't he?

Izzy 1:05:25
I was just trying to find a mom.

Clif 1:05:27
Poor Ed Herman. I wish I it's a damn shame he didn't make it to the Gilmore girls reunion. He was he was sorely missed in that. Anyway. Um What do you guys what do you give this one?

Marty 1:05:40
Oh, I give it a three. I know it seems very uh generic this week. I'm three and three, but I can't go up to three and a half because it's there's just there's too many, you know, weird things in it that doesn't make it like a perfect movie, but it continues throughout the ages, and uh I still find things that I enjoy about it, even though I've seen it So many times. I haven't seen it in 20 years. I don't think I've watched it since I got divorced, Cliff, because I tend to stay away from the Coreys. But it's not the Coreys' fault. I knew the Coreys before I knew that person that I was with a long time ago. So I can bring it back to myself, right? So you've come full circle on the Coreys. So thank you for making me watch this.

Clif 1:06:25
I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna give it three and a half, and I'm going to reserve the right to go four because I think it's probably, as far as when you get into vampire movies, probably one of the better ones out there. Now, now there are some great scary vampire movies. But this thing has its own life and its own sort of I don't know how to put it. It's like, you know, it's its own kid. You know, there are 10 kids in this vampire, you know, milieu, and this kid is definitely different than the rest of them. He's his own person, he's his own person, his own personality, his own ideas. And I think Joel did a great job with this film. As much as I like to make fun of old old Koki McSnortfuck, um, I do think that he is a hell of a director when he wants to be, and he's made some iconic films. And this is a banger from the 80s. This is just a solid, solid banger. So I'm gonna go three and a half, and I'm probably gonna lean towards four during during recap.

Izzy 1:07:21
Yeah, I agree. It was uh that's actually is definitely like three, three and a half for me. Definitely blood, sex, and rock and roll vibes all the way through. Three or three and a half. I don't know. I don't just like I'm gonna go three.

Clif 1:07:34
Three it is.

Izzy 1:07:35
Three it is.

Clif 1:07:36
All right. It's a heck of a movie. I I I enjoy it. And I'm always watching. I wish they had I I I'm with you, Izzy. I wish they'd put the damn doors in there instead of that terrible cover. Yeah, because I think you know the rest of the movie's really good. You've got the you know, I think the carries and the calls in there, you've got some other great musicians in there.

Marty 1:07:53
Echo and the bunny men needed a career boost, and they got it, and that soundtrack was huge, man. So I know I had to hear it a lot in my old household. I had it on cassette, bro. I had it on cassette. Now, when we talk about uh dream a little dream where they play rock on over and over again.

Clif 1:08:14
No, no, okay then I don't please don't. I I may veto that if you try to do it. That may actually be a veto for me. I have vetoed, we've done almost 200 films. I haven't vetoed anything he's given me, and that may actually be the first time for everything. There is, there is. Izzy, thanks for coming on. Do you have anything you want to before I get out of here? Do you want to anything you want to plug and talk about and talk about you know what you're doing, what you up to?

Izzy 1:08:40
Yeah, you know, I'm still doing the That's Bodacious Dude, 80 radical movies from the 80s. And um, that is my my main line of work, I guess. Uh I try to do episodes every two weeks. I don't know how you guys do every week. I would go crazy. It's it's pretty brutal at times. Like it's pretty brutal at times. Two two movies every week. Sometimes I have a hard time with just one movie a week. But that's why I was like, well, I'm picking Lost Boys because I've seen that one, and um I I don't feel as stressed when I have movies I've seen before.

Clif 1:09:08
So it's interesting because it's it's those two movies are on top of everything else that you're possibly watching normally, you know, anything that you're following and listening to and all that stuff.

Izzy 1:09:17
You have to and I hate that I got to the point where I'm like, man, I hope nobody dies because it's so inconvenient. Which is still it sounds so awful, but you know, sometimes I'm like, well, I have this set schedule. As long as nobody dies, hopefully I can get through it. But then if somebody dies, I'm like, damn, I have to try to watch a movie every single day. And just it's a lot. I think I've already watched like almost like over 290 movies just rehearsing around. Some of them I've seen before. Um, some of them are multiple watches. I think right now I will never be able to watch it again because I think everybody in it has now passed, but it was this one called Nothing Personal from 1990, and it had uh Donald Sutherland and Suzanne Summers and um Kathy Coleman.

Marty 1:10:06
Oh man.

Izzy 1:10:07
Kind of it's it has made-for-tv vibes, not a made-for-tv movie. But um, when Donald Sutherland passed, I was like, all right, I'm watching this movie again. Um I won't watch this movie again until Cat Catherine O'Hara dies because it's her first movie and she's only in it for like one minute. And then she passed, and I was like, oh no, I have to watch that movie again.

Clif 1:10:29
Oh no.

Izzy 1:10:30
Um, I didn't know it would be that soon, but now I've seen that movie like three or four times, and I don't know why, because it's not a good movie, but um it's it's a weird one and it's funny, and you see baby seals get clubbed. And it's um it's something. But you also see Donald Sutherland smoke a lot of weed. I don't know. Uh what to tell you, it's an interesting one for sure. Probably pretty little silly things like that. Um but for that spodacious dude, I guess a more recent episode would be Dark Crystal. Um, I am gonna be covering the Goonies soon and also like Roger Rabbit.

Clif 1:11:09
Goonies is very polarizing.

Izzy 1:11:11
Yeah. It's not one that I think You either like it or you love it.

Clif 1:11:14
It's like it's like Ewoks. You either like it.

Izzy 1:11:16
I think I'm a I'm a like it person because I didn't I was never like hard for the Goonies or anything growing up, but I was a 90s kid, so it is weird that I'm covering 80s movies since I wasn't born in that area.

Marty 1:11:27
Well, you know, we we do a lot of 70s stuff and we were barely part of that decade.

Izzy 1:11:32
So yeah, there's a lot of movies in the 70s. I'm like, oh man, is that an 80s movie? And I'm like, damn it, it was too late. It was too early.

Marty 1:11:39
I start another pod now.

Izzy 1:11:41
Seriously. Yeah, but that's that's what I'm doing. You can find that over at rabbitholepodcast.com, um, along with a whole bunch of other ones you can find Hearsing Around and That's Audacious Dude, all in that same one. And I'm always hopping around different shows over there too, sometimes, especially play MST for me, which I joke I'm like a side co-host on that one just because I've come on so many times.

Clif 1:12:05
Nice. Well, get out there and give her listen, folks, she's got some good stuff. Um uh some good podcasts. I've I've enjoyed uh the 80s one I've listened to the most. That's good.

Izzy 1:12:13
Yeah. I appreciate that. It gets a little crazy over at Hearsing Around. We talk about wieners for some reason sometimes. It gets it just gets weird.

Clif 1:12:21
I mean, I talked about motorcycle penises, so you know, it happens.

Izzy 1:12:26
It does happen.

Clif 1:12:27
We just did um we just did uh talking mathow. Um I've I've become more and more convinced as I get older that Walter Mathow is a is probably an underrated, a highly underrated actor. And so we do we started doing his films. He's you know that's that's a lot of fun because you get to you, you know, I've I haven't seen half of his catalog easily. Like I've you know, everybody knows the odd couple and and grumpy old men, but yeah, you know, how many people have seen you know charade or some of these other kind of you know, um Charlie Varrick, some of these other movies that you know are excellent films. He's just good in everything he's done. He's one of those guys who never you know always shows up.

Izzy 1:13:05
So I'm always surprised when I see him when he's younger because I think Grumpy Old is always a movie I've seen. So when I see him, I'm like, oh my god, he was young at one point.

Clif 1:13:13
Yeah, and he's a charming fucker too. Yeah, he is a super charming dude. Like in his in the 60s and 70s, that guy is he's the Mac, man. Like that guy is a cool dude. At one point, I read that uh he uh was such a bad, he had such a bad gambling habit that he was into the mob for like a hundred grand and ended up fucking he had to go make he guaranteed that he's like, I'm gonna go make a movie, I promise. And he ended up going to making this fucking movie just to pay the mob off. That's how deep in debt he was. That's wild. Yeah, anyway. Well, we I digress. Um, do you guys want to get out of here on a quote? I got I got a good one, I think.

Izzy 1:13:56
Oh, sorry, me.

Marty 1:13:57
Uh Marty. Okay.

Izzy 1:13:59
Marty.

unknown 1:13:59
Yeah.

Marty 1:14:01
If we're in your way, we can go in the kitchen and eat some peanut butter out of a jar.

Clif 1:14:10
My own brother, a goddamn shit sucking vampire. You wait till mom finds out, buddy.

Izzy 1:14:16
Indulge in your freakish masturbation.

Clif 1:14:20
Yes. Very nice. Izzy, thank you so much for coming on the show. It was a blast.

Izzy 1:14:26
Thank you for having me.

Clif 1:14:27
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. We'll have to have you on again. Um uh, you know, uh, Marty, we usually revolve through our guests, so you know, uh I feel that. Probably another it'll probably be another next season or something. We'll probably hit you up again, have you back on. For sure. That's awesome. Right on. All right, guys. Well, let's get out of here. We'll see you.

unknown 1:14:44
Bye.