How to Murder Your Wife and Save the Tiger with Daniel Roebuck - Talking Lemmon

 In this episode, Clif and Marty welcome special guest Daniel Roebuck for “Talking Lemmon,” celebrating the career of the legendary Jack Lemmon. Daniel brings along the movie Save the Tiger. Marty and Clif give Daniel the movie How to Murder Your Wife to watch.

First up is How to Murder Your Wife, a wild 1960s comedy that finds a carefree bachelor waking up married and immediately questioning every decision that led him there. Clif, Marty, and Daniel discuss the film’s energy, attitudes, and why Lemmon could make even the most ridiculous premise work. 

Then they move on to Save the Tiger, where a very different Jack Lemmon delivers one of the most powerful performances of his career. As a struggling businessman willing to cross every line to stay afloat, Lemmon anchors a dark portrait of a man trying to survive a rapidly changing world. 

Along the way: movie-star versus character-actor debates, lemonade sponsorship opportunities, punk rock movies, mysterious opening title cards, and the discovery that both films somehow begin with Jack Lemmon getting out of bed and heading for the shower.

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Transcript

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Clifton Campbell
one All right, Marty, that's us. We're back.

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Marty Ketola
Jack Lemmon wakes up and realizes he's not married to an Italian blonde, but instead owns a failing garment factory, will not be seen this week, so we may bring you the following culture shock.

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Clifton Campbell
hu

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Marty Ketola
That a mouthful, but...

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Daniel Roebuck
Thank you.

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Clifton Campbell
I say it. I say it every now and then, but strap in folks. Not only do we have a great episode for you, we got a killer guest. This is going to be good.

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Marty Ketola
Right. So we're back once again. It's Talking Pondo, a special Talking Lemon episode because we did Talking Math o a few months ago. So let's let's do this one.

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Clifton Campbell
That's right.

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Marty Ketola
I'm Marty as usual. We got Cliff here.

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Clifton Campbell
Hello, over here, yes.

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Marty Ketola
And we have a special guest this week. Okay, now you've you've seen today's guests in such classic films as The Late Shift. Remember that one?

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, loved that one.

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Marty Ketola
River's Edge? ah The Devil's Rejects, of course. But we'll always remember him as Biscuit from Dudes because we actually covered that movie early on.

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Daniel Roebuck
but

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Clifton Campbell
Damn right.

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Marty Ketola
It's Daniel Roebuck.

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Clifton Campbell
who

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Daniel Roebuck
Should my mohawk.

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Marty Ketola
Right? Right?

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Clifton Campbell
I would love to see that. that was I've forgotten all about that, but Dudes is another favorite of ours, definitely.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah,

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Clifton Campbell
There's so few punk rock movies from the 80s.

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Daniel Roebuck
there's so There's so few, and I think I'm in all of them. No, Flea is in all of them.

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Marty Ketola
that's right. Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah, he's in he's in Suburbia, too, right?

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Daniel Roebuck
No, he's in suburban.

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Clifton Campbell
Suburbia, Dudes, yeah, he's in a bunch of

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Marty Ketola
yeah that's right

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Clifton Campbell
Wow. Okay. Well, folks, um real banger of an episode for you. Like Marty said, Talkin' Lemon. um do we have any Do we have any viewer mail before we get started or anything you want to go over?

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Marty Ketola
ah Well, go ahead and tell them what the movie titles are before we do our one piece of mail for the day.

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Clifton Campbell
Sweet.

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Daniel Roebuck
ah

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Marty Ketola
Right.

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Clifton Campbell
oh Today it's ah How to Murder Your Wife and Save the Tiger, both Jack Lemmon movies.

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Marty Ketola
Mm hmm.

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Clifton Campbell
Super excited.

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Marty Ketola
right

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Daniel Roebuck
We should have had lemonade. That should have been our, we should have all been drinking lemon, lemonade whole time.

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Clifton Campbell
Country time, if you're listening, we'd like a sponsor.

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Daniel Roebuck
are.

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Daniel Roebuck
I like when you go to the fair and they're like fresh made lemonade and you you think they got lemons and sugar and water and then they go over to a thing and it's And it says fresh made lemonade on it.

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Daniel Roebuck
And you're like, yeah, yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
The jet spray, the jet spray machine.

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Daniel Roebuck
ah so There's a sucker born every minute.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, wow.

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Daniel Roebuck
um Anyway, so lemonade, talk about the great, the great Jack Lemmon.

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Clifton Campbell
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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Daniel Roebuck
Do you know what Jack Lemmon's tombstone says?

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Clifton Campbell
What a career. No. What?

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Daniel Roebuck
Jack Lemmon's tombstone says Jack Lemmon Inn. And then the ground.

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Marty Ketola
wow not

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Daniel Roebuck
You can, it's in the Westwood Cemetery.

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Clifton Campbell
I love it.

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Daniel Roebuck
You can go see it. It's quite spectacular.

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Clifton Campbell
I love it. His his ah episode of Inside the Actor's Studio is one of my favorites because I think he gets more personal, I think, than a lot of actors on that show do.

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Daniel Roebuck
Oh, interesting. I'll look that up. I haven't, I haven't seen that.

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Clifton Campbell
he's he talks about his he talks about his alcoholism and and a lot of the struggles that he had making in those films and things while he was drinking and uh so it's a really good good episode if you ever get a chance to catch it

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Yeah. i didn't I never had a chance to meet him, but I'm sure he was a fantastic man.

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Clifton Campbell
agreed agreed agreed yeah i was gonna say marty got viewer mail

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Daniel Roebuck
But you had viewer mail, I think.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
will You have a stack of it? It's like the end of Miracle on 34th Street.

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Marty Ketola
A digital stack. Yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
They just keep bringing, there's guys, they keep bringing in the mail.

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Clifton Campbell
What?

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Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

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Clifton Campbell
It just keeps coming in and we don't know what to do with it all.

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Marty Ketola
This one was in response to our episode a few weeks back where we had Frank Dietz on and we were talking about Breckhardt Pass. And so Shlenzo writes in, he says, I call dibs on Kenjite when you're ready to do it on the show, another Charles Bronson classic.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh.

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Marty Ketola
So maybe we'll have to bring him Kenjite.

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Clifton Campbell
Kenjite.

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Marty Ketola
I'm sorry, I'm saying that wrong.

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Clifton Campbell
yeah No, no, no, no.

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Marty Ketola
Okay.

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Clifton Campbell
If I'm saying it right.

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Daniel Roebuck
bronson Bronson said it wrong too, I'm sure. didn would do Conjante.

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Clifton Campbell
He was, have you seen Break Heart Pass? Have you seen that one?

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Daniel Roebuck
ah Years ago, not recently.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's like ah it's like a murder on the Orient Express, only it's on the it's in the Old West and it's on ah on a train going through the Colorado Rockies.

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Marty Ketola
On a train. yeah

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Clifton Campbell
you know

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Daniel Roebuck
oh

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Clifton Campbell
And he plays a... At first you think he's kind of a heel, and then he turns out to be a treasury agent who's on board foiling all the stuff. It's pretty good.

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Daniel Roebuck
you

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
do you Do you know that I got to do a movie with the great Bronzy? you know who the fake Charles Bronson is?

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Marty Ketola
Really?

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Clifton Campbell
No! No!

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Daniel Roebuck
Right before we go any further, on your computers, look up Bronzy.

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Clifton Campbell
I'm doing it right now. be How do you spell it?

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Daniel Roebuck
Fake Charles Bronson.

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Clifton Campbell
B-R-O-N-Z-I?

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Daniel Roebuck
Yes.

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Clifton Campbell
Robert Bronzi?

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Daniel Roebuck
Yes. Look at him.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh my goodness.

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Daniel Roebuck
Exactly.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah. but

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Clifton Campbell
What the holy moly.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yes!

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Clifton Campbell
i've always I've always thought Bronson kind of looked Asian. This dude looks like an Asian Bronson. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, well, he's like, well, he's not really Asian. He's, I think, Jack will...

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Clifton Campbell
no no, it's just the look. It's just it it's just crazy.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
Wow.

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Daniel Roebuck
No, Bronson definitely had some of that kind of... mon We say mongoloid, we mean something else, but a mongol, he was...

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Clifton Campbell
For the steps of the Mongols.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
um

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Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

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Daniel Roebuck
But Bronzy is ah fantastic man. I want to do another movie with him. He entertained me so much. I only worked with him for a day, but I would have worked a couple more days for free just to be around the guy because he's so joyful and he loves making movies.

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Clifton Campbell
Was it the Gardner that you were in?

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Daniel Roebuck
ah No, I'm not in the Garner. It's some werewolf movie.

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Clifton Campbell
Werewolf movie.

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Daniel Roebuck
Some Jeff Miller werewolf movie.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, from hell to, from hell to the wild west.

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Daniel Roebuck
its No, 12 to midnight or 10 to midnight.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, 12, 12 to midnight. Okay.

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Daniel Roebuck
Right.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Cause 10, cause 10, 10 to midnight was just released by Kino Lorber and it's a Bronson movie.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah.

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Marty Ketola
don't know, it's in Charles Bronson.

00:06:06.50
Clifton Campbell
So 12 to midnight, that makes complete sense.

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Daniel Roebuck
yeah yeah

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Marty Ketola
Yeah, I remember that one, have but

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Clifton Campbell
Oh shit. That's got Tito Ortiz in it. What the hell? Awesome. I'm going to watch that.

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Daniel Roebuck
yeah it's Well, I don't know if I...

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Marty Ketola
yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
yeah I'm not recommending... I haven't seen the movie. But I loved bronzy. Anyway. So, do your mail... Your mail has dibs on congigi.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, Ken just, see yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Marty Ketola
Apparently, yeah, it's going force that onto the program on us, I guess, so.

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Daniel Roebuck
Send your time.

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, that one's broad been brought up because we've mentioned Bronson movies a couple times we finally had had one on the show and that one keeps getting brought up along with along with Death Wish.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
You know, what we... our our Our crew we've called from the beginning of meeting Frank Dietz. We've always called him Frank and Dietz.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, wow. That's fitting for him.

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Clifton Campbell
That's interesting. I've got a, I've got a Frank joke for when we get to save the tiger, by the way, that's a little, little reminder there, but anyways, do you have a, do you have a preference, which movie you'd like to jump into first?

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Daniel Roebuck
Okay.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
Frank Stoner joke.

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Daniel Roebuck
No, you can go into either.

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Clifton Campbell
Okay.

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Daniel Roebuck
I mean, in let's say, look, why don't we go, you know, chronologically.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah, I was thinking that's good.

00:07:09.37
Clifton Campbell
Okay. Okay. How to murder your wife.

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Daniel Roebuck
How to murder your wife.

00:07:12.73
Clifton Campbell
Well, I, yes, for 30

00:07:13.54
Daniel Roebuck
Are you guys married? 30 years?

00:07:19.45
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, almost. Yeah. 30

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Daniel Roebuck
You're like the the the judge. I've been is you happily married for 30 years.

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Clifton Campbell
years. Yeah. Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
thirty years yeah

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Daniel Roebuck
yeah what is The joke is weird, though. He really, it was, I've been happily married every day for 30 years or so. It's some joke. And he says, so i don't know, the one day, i can't remember how they phrase it.

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Marty Ketola
It just the one day, know.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. So, yeah, Jack Lemmon in what you, the at a time when people were getting, That's probably right right there at the early Bond. You think you're getting kind of some James Bond style thing.

00:07:59.03
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, there's definitely um an adventurous type of man about town aspect to it for sure.

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Daniel Roebuck
And then you don't.

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Clifton Campbell
um But anyways, you want right and you want to introduce you want to introduce it, So it's called How to Murder Your Wife.

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Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:07.58
Marty Ketola
But what is this movie that gets its title in the third act somewhere? how What is this movie, Cliff?

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Clifton Campbell
It's from 1965.

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Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

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Clifton Campbell
It is approved. It does not have a rating.

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Marty Ketola
Hmm.

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Clifton Campbell
It is approved. Hour and 58 minutes. Here's your log line. A dedicated dedicated bachelor drunkenly marries a young woman and immediately lives to regret it. directed by Richard Quine, written by George Axelrod, starring Jack Lemmon and Verna Lisi.

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Clifton Campbell
There is an Italian version of this movie, and I believe that this is the remake of it.

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Marty Ketola
Oh.

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Daniel Roebuck
Thank you.

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Clifton Campbell
Storyline. Stanley Ford leads an idyllic bachelor life. He is a naturally syndicated nationally syndicated cartoonist whose Brash Branigan series provides him with a luxurious townhouse and a full-time valet named Charles.

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Clifton Campbell
When he wakes up the morning after having and attended a friend's stag party, he finds that he is married to the gorgeous woman who popped out of the cake, and she doesn't speak a word of English. Despite his initial protestations, he comes to like married life and even changes his cartoon character from a super spy to a somewhat married husband.

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Clifton Campbell
When after several months he decides to kill off Bash's wife in the cartoon, his my wife misinterprets his intentions and disappears, which leads to the police charging him with murder.

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Marty Ketola
Is that what happened?

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Clifton Campbell
It's a wacky script. it's It's one of those wacky comedies from the 60s.

00:09:19.58
Marty Ketola
Screwball. It's kind of like a screwball.

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Clifton Campbell
Screwball, screwball, there you go. Screwball comedy.

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Daniel Roebuck
yeah the And Verna Lisi, you know, looks, you know, as close to Marilyn Monroe as you could get.

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Clifton Campbell
Gorgeous.

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Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

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Daniel Roebuck
But there's that that scene that where she rolls over in bed and you see her legs and her toes and her bed and you're immediately like, i'm I'm fully committed to this movie now.

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Clifton Campbell
Yes.

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Clifton Campbell
Yes. And the relationship. this is This is fine.

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Daniel Roebuck
as a As a child, so we've I remember this movie. ah

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Clifton Campbell
Hmm.

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Daniel Roebuck
I remember this being a favorite of my parents. So it was interesting that you picked this, because this is one I've seen my entire life.

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Clifton Campbell
Nice.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, wow. Okay.

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Daniel Roebuck
Whenever I played, we would we would watch it. um My wishful thinking on my father's part to some extent, I suppose. But um there's there's an episode of ah this whole idea of him being a cartoonist.

00:10:15.32
Daniel Roebuck
I don't remember. I wanted to look and I forgot to look. Do we know who's credited with the cartoons? I was...

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's it's it's two different guys.

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Daniel Roebuck
but you It's not...

00:10:22.25
Marty Ketola
Hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:10:24.12
Clifton Campbell
One of them is

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Daniel Roebuck
Is it Wally Wood at all?

00:10:27.19
Clifton Campbell
yeah let me Let me check real quick. Hang on just a second because I had that.

00:10:29.73
Daniel Roebuck
That's it. Yeah.

00:10:31.96
Clifton Campbell
um Let's see here. The comic strip is done by Mel Kiefer, who's the artist on Perry Mason, Divot, Ricochet comic strips. In addition, Alex Toth drew a comic strip of the characters as a teaser campaign to promote the film.

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Daniel Roebuck
Okay, so...

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Clifton Campbell
So it's a guy it's basically the guy who did Perry Mason and Ricochet comic strips.

00:10:48.41
Daniel Roebuck
Okay, because the comic strips are great. And that was the, I mean, as a child, you this idea that that the man who did like, you know, Mark Trail was living living like ah you know like a bachelor with a, didn't you want, I was so, I've been watching this movie since I was a kid and I've never had the one thing I wanted, which was a valet.

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Clifton Campbell
It looks great.

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Clifton Campbell
Dick Tracy or something.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, I just want that townhome.

00:11:17.14
Daniel Roebuck
yeah

00:11:17.30
Clifton Campbell
Like I love, I love how that townhome is designed where it's very narrow. and You've got several floors, but there's just all the cool stuff in it.

00:11:22.14
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
And yeah, having him, having a, what is it called in his man? i am his, I am his man.

00:11:27.29
Daniel Roebuck
This man, is he's my man. He's my man.

00:11:29.82
Clifton Campbell
fantastic fantastic

00:11:30.62
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. It would just be great to have, you know, yeah you know your your near beer is ready, sir. We've dusted your wax figures, Robach. Thank aye

00:11:43.13
Clifton Campbell
all of your star wars action figures have been dusted sir

00:11:43.51
Daniel Roebuck
like you Yeah, they've been dusted and and cataloged and resealed. that That would be it Now, do you guys know there's a... ah Let's say, you know, you could go ping, ping, ping, ping. ping ah Like, I'm i'm in the Munsters.

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Daniel Roebuck
Terry...

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, uh-huh.

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Daniel Roebuck
but Terry... He was in Munsters.

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Clifton Campbell
Terry Thomas?

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Daniel Roebuck
Terry Thomas was in the Munsters Go Home. i

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Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

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Daniel Roebuck
i I knew Meryl a little bit. Terry Thomas was in ah It's a mad mad mad, mad, mad, mad world, of course. But there's a movie called, again, I dare you to look it up, a movie called Jack and the Beanstalk.

00:12:33.32
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

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Daniel Roebuck
And when they cast me, i asked if I could do an homage to Terry Thomas.

00:12:34.31
Clifton Campbell
Oh, which...

00:12:39.93
Daniel Roebuck
So in the movie, i am literally like Terry Thomas. um see Just type in Jack and the Beanstalk Roebuck and see if the image comes up.

00:12:50.46
Clifton Campbell
Roebuck. Let's see here.

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Daniel Roebuck
Oh, yes, I must say. far I had to tease the thing.

00:13:00.92
Clifton Campbell
I love it.

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Daniel Roebuck
i don't know if the photos come up.

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Clifton Campbell
Beanstalk, Roebuck. Let's see here.

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Daniel Roebuck
Mayor.

00:13:09.25
Clifton Campbell
Bam.

00:13:09.76
Daniel Roebuck
Mayor.

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Clifton Campbell
We'll see. Oh, wow. Look at that. Sure enough.

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Daniel Roebuck
Is it there?

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Clifton Campbell
Is it it to it yeah that the, is it the 2000?

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Daniel Roebuck
I mean, I have my hair's kind of flipped up and I'm wearing a mustache and I have the the hole in my teeth.

00:13:21.06
Clifton Campbell
Oh,

00:13:27.34
Daniel Roebuck
But I did the entire role as Terry Thomas, you see. I mean, I literally went and did him.

00:13:31.93
Clifton Campbell
oh there you are. Yeah. I've got your mayor's necklace on. I see this now. Yes. Oh my goodness.

00:13:37.70
Marty Ketola
I'm going to...

00:13:38.66
Clifton Campbell
Look at that. That's hilarious. ah You do have that.

00:13:40.50
Daniel Roebuck
so

00:13:41.19
Clifton Campbell
You have that giant gap in your front teeth, like Terry Thomas.

00:13:43.54
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Marty Ketola
me

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Daniel Roebuck
And I did. I mean, I literally just did Terry Thomas. That's what I did. I just did that.

00:13:49.36
Clifton Campbell
Well, he's, he was hysterical. Like the, the, my favorite part is when he realizes that lemon is married and he just turns around and begins to pack his shit. Right. Where he's just like, Nope, absolutely not.

00:13:59.13
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, you're right.

00:14:01.69
Clifton Campbell
I do not work for, for married. I do not work for couples. I do not. Absolutely. And he just, and then I have limits just begging him. no no No, I'll fix it. I'll fix it. He's like, all right, I'll give you I'll give you a week, but this is not, this is not acceptable.

00:14:11.93
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:14:13.18
Daniel Roebuck
No, but it's ah it's i hilarious. Dude, it's like every one of us who's like a collector or a movie fan. i was, you know, I got a lot of friends who still aren't married.

00:14:23.60
Daniel Roebuck
I love that. You know, the guy goes, you're 37 years old and you're not yet married.

00:14:27.86
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:14:29.82
Daniel Roebuck
It looks bad, you know. Now it would just be like, it looks gay.

00:14:32.79
Clifton Campbell
I love that guy.

00:14:36.09
Daniel Roebuck
but ah Back then, 37 years old. I mean, I have many actor friends who never got married.

00:14:44.60
Clifton Campbell
Wow, really? Wow. um Eddie Mayhoff is the guy who does that. Harold Lamp, he does that voice. that he it it's he sounds like he's it's He sounds like Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

00:14:55.32
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:14:55.45
Clifton Campbell
A family member dies and you stand here insulting me. You son of a bitch. You know, that whole thing.

00:15:00.44
Daniel Roebuck
But that guy was in, you know, he's in, he's probably in every Monsters episode.

00:15:01.66
Clifton Campbell
Love that guy.

00:15:07.48
Daniel Roebuck
I mean, I just love it when guys could just do a character like like Paul Ford in Bilko. You know, there was just, oh, Bilko, you know, there was just, you know, Mr.

00:15:14.14
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:15:17.54
Daniel Roebuck
Howell was about the same time, you know.

00:15:20.71
Clifton Campbell
Fantastic.

00:15:21.59
Daniel Roebuck
Just good. Mary Wicks shows up out of nowhere. One freaking scene.

00:15:26.97
Marty Ketola
That

00:15:27.25
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Claire Trevor's in this. She's great.

00:15:30.12
Daniel Roebuck
Claire Travera.

00:15:30.42
Clifton Campbell
It's, it's a, it's a stacked cast. I mean, there's just nothing, there's nothing wrong with the movie.

00:15:35.20
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, no, those are strong.

00:15:36.38
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:15:38.63
Daniel Roebuck
It's a very interesting thing. It was a e was definitely, I mean, maybe it was made for the European market more than the American market, maybe.

00:15:47.00
Marty Ketola
makes

00:15:50.26
Daniel Roebuck
um

00:15:50.23
Marty Ketola
sense.

00:15:51.38
Daniel Roebuck
There's a possibility of that. Like when you said approved, I didn't realize that that didn't have a rating at the beginning.

00:15:56.99
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:15:57.50
Daniel Roebuck
back

00:15:57.73
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Speaking of which the beginning, that, that background over the titles, I'm telling you, that is, that is an unfortunate image. It looks, it looks vaguely. um Well, it's not flat pleasant.

00:16:11.58
Clifton Campbell
I'll put it to you that way.

00:16:11.77
Marty Ketola
was like this It looks like a sticker that you can't peel off the TV.

00:16:12.41
Daniel Roebuck
what why what I don't remember.

00:16:14.86
Clifton Campbell
It just, yeah, it just looks like that where it looks like a bunghole, man.

00:16:16.28
Marty Ketola
go ahead

00:16:18.38
Clifton Campbell
It looks like a, you know, it says, how to your wife, and then it says murder, and in the background is that, that it it almost looks like the book, the Necronomicon Book of the Dead, you know, like texture, you know what I mean?

00:16:22.20
Marty Ketola
Oh, that weird spacey looking image.

00:16:23.16
Daniel Roebuck
oh

00:16:25.27
Marty Ketola
I what you're talking about.

00:16:30.30
Marty Ketola
I thought it looked like outer space or something. I know what you mean.

00:16:33.66
Clifton Campbell
hu and

00:16:33.95
Marty Ketola
Yeah, the very, very opening opening thing.

00:16:34.49
Clifton Campbell
Maybe, maybe.

00:16:34.71
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, i was I was also confused. um i didn't But I don't know what that says about one of us.

00:16:37.55
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:16:42.56
Daniel Roebuck
Neither other of us thought it looked like a bunghole.

00:16:46.74
Clifton Campbell
Well, I went there.

00:16:46.74
Daniel Roebuck
that

00:16:47.34
Marty Ketola
it's so It's a, it's a,

00:16:47.80
Daniel Roebuck
i don't know whose bunghole is. Yeah.

00:16:51.22
Clifton Campbell
i went there.

00:16:51.26
Daniel Roebuck
in this

00:16:51.70
Clifton Campbell
That's what I was wondering.

00:16:52.79
Daniel Roebuck
yes

00:16:52.68
Marty Ketola
it's a Warshak test. That's what it was. Mm-hmm.

00:16:54.86
Clifton Campbell
that's There you go.

00:16:55.06
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, and one of us failed.

00:16:55.34
Clifton Campbell
It's a Rorschach test.

00:16:58.78
Daniel Roebuck
um

00:16:59.10
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:17:00.09
Daniel Roebuck
But it's how to, I think it's like the joke is how to meh, meh, meh your wife.

00:17:00.40
Clifton Campbell
Big time.

00:17:05.85
Daniel Roebuck
Like you're supposed to think bonk and then it comes murder.

00:17:08.92
Clifton Campbell
Right. right

00:17:09.98
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:17:11.19
Daniel Roebuck
um Yeah, but ah I wanted to get back to the Richard Silber design of the apartment. um

00:17:18.81
Clifton Campbell
Yes. Lovely. Love that apartment.

00:17:19.99
Daniel Roebuck
and And i was I was trying to figure if, you know, it'd be interesting, you could see right when they pull out, there's a shot of, of ah or maybe it's the next shot when he picks up the girl and the...

00:17:33.10
Clifton Campbell
It's, is it six or is it six, six, six, um, that, that building, is that what you're talking about?

00:17:35.25
Daniel Roebuck
and the let's see

00:17:40.44
Daniel Roebuck
Now, I'd just be curious to know, A, if that building's still there, and and or where they put the the top of the rooftop,

00:17:43.39
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:17:44.03
Clifton Campbell
Hmm.

00:17:51.74
Daniel Roebuck
Was that really, i mean, I know it's a set. They were working on a set. But the rooftop could have been on the top of a, you know, a shithole tenement. And they convinced you it was, you know, because you, you know, where the car comes out and where the top is, all they both had to be was brick buildings.

00:18:12.12
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:18:12.12
Daniel Roebuck
But, I mean, there's, you know, that shot where it goes around, like they definitely found to place to shoot it where they were building all around it. it's you know They did West Side Story in what, 61 or 62?

00:18:30.97
Daniel Roebuck
and

00:18:31.03
Clifton Campbell
something like I think 62 yeah

00:18:31.70
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:18:32.95
Daniel Roebuck
the whole place that they're dancing and singing when they're, that's that whole neighborhood was then knocked down and it's where they built Lincoln Center. So where they shot it doesn't even exist any anymore.

00:18:47.58
Clifton Campbell
interesting wow oh I imagine so um there's ah there's a famous building in here I think I read that

00:18:47.74
Daniel Roebuck
That whole neighborhood is gone. And that must have been in the sixty s all over New York City.

00:19:01.46
Clifton Campbell
Is it this one or is it a Save the Time? No, it's this one. It's a famous building because this is New York City. And I guess it's owned by, it it's its original address was 666 whatever street.

00:19:14.07
Clifton Campbell
And-

00:19:14.14
Marty Ketola
ah You could see it on the building in one shot at least.

00:19:16.06
Clifton Campbell
You can see it on the building in one of the shots.

00:19:16.82
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:19:17.78
Clifton Campbell
Kushner now owns that building.

00:19:17.80
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:18.98
Clifton Campbell
Jared Kushner owns that building. And he changed the address to 663 or 660 because they didn't like that. Because but back in the 50s, that connotation wasn't really there. 60s, it wasn't really there like it is now, where it's like, oh, sign of the devil.

00:19:27.86
Daniel Roebuck
good Right.

00:19:31.16
Clifton Campbell
you know

00:19:31.48
Daniel Roebuck
Right. Well, after and after especially after The Omen.

00:19:34.23
Clifton Campbell
but Exactly.

00:19:34.33
Daniel Roebuck
Like, nobody really thought of it until The Omen.

00:19:37.65
Clifton Campbell
Till the omen.

00:19:39.00
Daniel Roebuck
And the omen changed everything.

00:19:39.26
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:19:40.48
Daniel Roebuck
I remember we had one of our wacky friends was having a kid. And I thought this guy should never procreate. And then I remember saying to another friend, you know what this means? We have to go to Iran. We have to get the knives. We got to get the kids. We got to kill it in a church.

00:19:58.58
Daniel Roebuck
Like this going to be very difficult. ah You know, I did not, you know, I did not plan on the trip to Iran this month.

00:20:07.48
Clifton Campbell
Well, you know, at least you get some sightseeing in, right?

00:20:10.17
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. so So what I thought about that was interesting when, you know, we haven't started talking about the second movie, Save the Tiger, which is virtually eight, seven, seven, eight years later, Lemon looks like a completely different person, probably because of the alcoholism.

00:20:29.85
Daniel Roebuck
um It's shot in a completely different style.

00:20:29.94
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. And just the 70s in general, yeah.

00:20:32.95
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Other side of the country.

00:20:33.78
Daniel Roebuck
and but

00:20:34.62
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:20:35.09
Daniel Roebuck
But in both movies, there's a scheme And in both movies, you meet Lemon in bed.

00:20:42.76
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:20:43.28
Clifton Campbell
That's

00:20:43.32
Daniel Roebuck
And he goes right from bed to a shower.

00:20:43.74
Marty Ketola
Yeah, they have the same opening. Yeah. That was one of my notes. They both movies start the same with the shower and the opening the windows.

00:20:49.24
Daniel Roebuck
isn Isn't that weird?

00:20:49.67
Marty Ketola
Yeah, it is.

00:20:50.24
Daniel Roebuck
Like, and we that was a random, you know, as much as I know in Love Saves a Tiger, if you would have said, how does it open?

00:20:50.78
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:20:53.59
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:20:57.48
Daniel Roebuck
I may have remembered that it opened with him screaming in his sleep. Because she says you screamed in your sleep, but you don't see it.

00:21:03.09
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:21:03.88
Daniel Roebuck
But I may have.

00:21:05.88
Clifton Campbell
that's That's so funny because last last episode we did, there were two movies.

00:21:06.09
Daniel Roebuck
Let's see.

00:21:09.64
Clifton Campbell
We did The Quiet Earth and another movie. And and The Quiet Earth opens with a shot overhead of a man naked in bed. And we were like, that's the first shot of Danny Boyle's 28 Days Later, the exact same shot. Like the openings are exactly the same. And now here we are talking about exact same openings again. That's so weird.

00:21:25.96
Daniel Roebuck
The Quiet Earth, the Paul Muni movie?

00:21:30.58
Clifton Campbell
No, it's Bruno Lawrence. He wakes up and he's the last man on last man on earth and it's in New Zealand.

00:21:33.33
Daniel Roebuck
ah well

00:21:36.34
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, oh, and then 28 Days Later, it's, a like yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's,

00:21:39.74
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, that's 20 days later.

00:21:40.51
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:21:40.94
Clifton Campbell
It's the the infection. Yeah, the zombie infection. Yeah.

00:21:43.96
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, and he's in the in the hospital.

00:21:46.09
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Cillian Murphy, right?

00:21:46.61
Daniel Roebuck
but

00:21:47.06
Clifton Campbell
Is that his name?

00:21:47.39
Daniel Roebuck
Cillian Murphy. But anyway, I thought that was interesting.

00:21:48.38
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:21:49.78
Daniel Roebuck
But then they they' both movies are about a scheme, a plan to do something illegal.

00:21:53.37
Marty Ketola
who

00:21:53.79
Clifton Campbell
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:21:57.07
Clifton Campbell
Mm hmm.

00:21:57.37
Daniel Roebuck
i also thought was interesting. But then again, although you wouldn't have gotten Jack Lemmon waking up if we would have done Glendary Glen Ross, that's also about a scheme.

00:22:06.62
Marty Ketola
right

00:22:06.95
Clifton Campbell
Ooh, that was, that was a tough, that was a, I knew, I knew say the tiger was going to be, cause I've read, ah I've read about that performance and I was like, do we really want to stellar lemon performances or do you know, these, these height of his powers performances, or do we want something like a comedy and then this other one? Right. So we can kind of contrast and compare.

00:22:26.20
Daniel Roebuck
Well, I'm glad.

00:22:26.48
Clifton Campbell
Um, because I, I think Glenn Gary is, is a stellar movie.

00:22:26.68
Daniel Roebuck
I think, but the thing...

00:22:29.93
Clifton Campbell
It's, and he is stellar in

00:22:30.42
Daniel Roebuck
ah No, and his performance in it is is is is beyond...

00:22:32.30
Clifton Campbell
It's awesome. It's awesome.

00:22:36.47
Daniel Roebuck
I mean, look, Lemon, I saw Lemon on Broadway. I guess I said I wish I did meet him. I have his autograph. So I must have met him outside the Broadway theater.

00:22:43.69
Clifton Campbell
Oh, cool.

00:22:46.90
Daniel Roebuck
So I did.

00:22:46.68
Marty Ketola
Oh,

00:22:47.46
Daniel Roebuck
I saw him in tribute with Robert Picardo and Catherine Hicks.

00:22:50.74
Clifton Campbell
Oh, wow.

00:22:50.52
Marty Ketola
ah wow.

00:22:51.69
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. um

00:22:53.69
Clifton Campbell
Wow. Okay. That's an interesting cast. Nice.

00:22:56.12
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a movie about Neil Simon's brother, Danny, or a play about Neil brothers da Simon's brother, Danny, as I recall. ah but um So I guess I did meet Lemon, and I did see him on Broadway, so that's pretty good. But ah I like that it was Lemon because these these both these movies prove...

00:23:20.67
Daniel Roebuck
A couple of things. One, his comedy chops. Two, his drama chops. And three, his ability to be every man.

00:23:28.91
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:23:29.11
Daniel Roebuck
um And, ah you know, i was thinking, how do we have? We don't have it. We don't have any movie stars that I that i think will will be remembered.

00:23:43.54
Daniel Roebuck
I don't know.

00:23:43.64
Clifton Campbell
I mean, I i don't – I feel like there's – especially nowadays, this idea of there's ah there's ah actors and then there's movie stars.

00:23:54.33
Clifton Campbell
And movie stars kind of tend to play the same roles because they know what the audience responds to and they'll go see them in. And then there's actors that just grab roles that really interest them and they sink the teeth into them and they disappear into them.

00:24:06.71
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:24:06.78
Daniel Roebuck
yeah

00:24:07.48
Clifton Campbell
And sometimes movie stars can do that, but they also know they're movie stars. And why would I do that if I can just be in this movie that I know is going to make $250 million dollars and everybody's going to love. Right.

00:24:16.25
Daniel Roebuck
Well, and there's another part of it, which is there's, there's you, you ultimately have like Tom Cruise. Nobody wants to see Tom Cruise in terrifier for he does.

00:24:23.19
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:24:26.84
Clifton Campbell
No, but i I, I do want to see him as the bald agent in a Tropic Thunder though.

00:24:27.61
Daniel Roebuck
It's not going to serve. It's not going to serve anything.

00:24:32.47
Daniel Roebuck
Right. and But everybody does love that. But I think I don't really find that that entertaining because it's so obviously him. You know, it would have been great if you would have been like I mean, it's kind of like Dick Van Dyke it when he plays the old guy and in in Mary Poppins.

00:24:41.27
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:24:47.13
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:24:50.06
Daniel Roebuck
It's obviously him.

00:24:51.48
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:24:52.22
Daniel Roebuck
You know, if you you were to fool me, fool me. um

00:24:56.01
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:24:56.79
Daniel Roebuck
ah That's respectfully, I'm saying I'm a big time. or i'm ah I'm a fan.

00:24:59.80
Clifton Campbell
Same. To all actors, absolutely same.

00:25:02.90
Daniel Roebuck
yeah but But I always wonder, it is interesting, so I direct movies, and I've directed five movies so far, co-direct, director, co-directed, and i am completely different in every single movie.

00:25:03.77
Clifton Campbell
Same.

00:25:19.76
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:25:20.66
Daniel Roebuck
But when Woody Allen does a movie, he's the same guy. When Albert Brooks does a movie, he's the same guy. Charlie Chaplin is the same guy. I'm not i'm not saying my way is harder. I'm just saying it's interesting that I don't take, but I've never been that kind of movie star.

00:25:36.41
Daniel Roebuck
I certainly started many movies, but I've never been that kind of movie star. And no.

00:25:41.38
Marty Ketola
Well, I bet if we sat down and watched all five your movies, we'd probably notice some similarities in themes and styles that maybe you didn't catch yet.

00:25:46.97
Clifton Campbell
Some similarities, yeah.

00:25:48.18
Daniel Roebuck
Well, you you notice that it's the same guy, but I can tell you that you wouldn't. I i throw that gauntlet down. You watch them. And but other than they're played by the same actor, every one of them is a completely different complex and different character.

00:25:58.59
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:26:08.54
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:26:09.91
Clifton Campbell
you You know what I miss? I miss the wavy transition.

00:26:14.67
Daniel Roebuck
Well, we don't have the wavy transmission. and up you

00:26:16.82
Clifton Campbell
um miss it. I miss it.

00:26:18.10
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, because when people go, remember when that happened? who

00:26:22.33
Clifton Campbell
wo Exactly. You get a nice crossfade between two scenes. You put a nice wavy transition in there and suddenly you're somewhere else. It's nice.

00:26:31.98
Daniel Roebuck
You're another place, another time.

00:26:32.22
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:26:33.54
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. lot of stuff has been going all the way. If you put a wavy transition in, ah i wonder if people would get that you're making a joke or if they would.

00:26:43.98
Clifton Campbell
I would hope so, yeah.

00:26:44.34
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:26:45.02
Daniel Roebuck
I would. I would.

00:26:46.26
Clifton Campbell
or maybe Or maybe we start a whole new trend and it becomes popular again and everybody's doing it.

00:26:46.50
Daniel Roebuck
i would

00:26:50.20
Daniel Roebuck
Well, you have to have the thing that that lives in that time frame, um you know, and be a comedy. But, yeah, anyway, back to these particular movies.

00:27:03.68
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:27:03.93
Marty Ketola
like a

00:27:04.22
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:27:04.70
Marty Ketola
like So we just watched The Love Witch not that long ago, and I'm glad we did because ah it was a movie that was made, what, about 10 years ago, Cliff?

00:27:08.09
Daniel Roebuck
don't know about that.

00:27:13.82
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:27:13.78
Marty Ketola
Or something like that?

00:27:14.30
Clifton Campbell
About 10 years ago.

00:27:14.78
Marty Ketola
she The director, she made it look like it was made in the 60s with the the star filter lighting and stuff.

00:27:15.29
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. 2016.

00:27:21.26
Marty Ketola
And so going back to the How to Murder Your Wife and and totally seeing...

00:27:21.91
Clifton Campbell
Looks like a hammer film.

00:27:26.99
Marty Ketola
that real 60s aesthetic again, talking about the wavy transition stuff, the close-ups of the eyes and the star filters and the pupils and the...

00:27:34.90
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, you can tell they're using a lens when they when they do the close-ups of her.

00:27:34.93
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:27:38.78
Clifton Campbell
like'm I'm like, is that are they smearing Vaseline on the lens lightly or is it just a special filter? But they they're obviously softening her and making her kind of glow, and especially in the early close-ups.

00:27:46.23
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's just, yeah, that's just, they, they screw that over the lens. They don't use that on Um,

00:27:51.99
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:27:52.00
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:27:54.04
Daniel Roebuck
um

00:27:54.66
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:27:55.26
Daniel Roebuck
If they want to make me look better, they just put the lens cap on.

00:27:59.54
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:27:59.90
Daniel Roebuck
That's what they...

00:27:59.98
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:28:00.62
Daniel Roebuck
They just put that on. But...

00:28:02.26
Clifton Campbell
Just have you turn the other way.

00:28:03.86
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, there's... When I make the movies I make, you they're like... I purposely make them of another time. Look, here's... here's a here's ah You know, watch a movie um like River's Edge.

00:28:19.80
Daniel Roebuck
And if I took you... ah If the only thing that gives it away is... is ah the payphone. If I took you up to Sunderland now, the kids, the cars, the haircuts, the clothes all look identical to what we look like 40 years ago.

00:28:34.57
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:28:39.45
Daniel Roebuck
Now that's mind blowing because when we made River's Edge 30 years before that was Rebel Without a Cause and everything looks completely different. than than now So I think there's something, if you guys ever want to make a movie and make it timeless, you take everything out of it that that you think what's necessary.

00:29:01.39
Daniel Roebuck
So Grace and I generally don't, I don't write computers into the movies. I don't write, steal somebody might take a call or whatever.

00:29:07.90
Clifton Campbell
Cell phones.

00:29:10.81
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:29:10.64
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:29:10.94
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:29:10.78
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. huh

00:29:11.99
Daniel Roebuck
But um I stay away from that stuff as as as much as possible.

00:29:15.58
Clifton Campbell
Same.

00:29:17.17
Daniel Roebuck
One thing that's amazing in Save the Tiger is the preservation of the drive down Sunset Boulevard, um the times that he drives down.

00:29:26.87
Clifton Campbell
Hmm.

00:29:30.20
Daniel Roebuck
And, ah you know, that's the Sunset Boulevard of of Once Upon a Time in America, it's that's what it really looked like.

00:29:40.46
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:29:43.83
Daniel Roebuck
And it's you know preserved forever in that movie. I just remember watching that and you could see where where she gets in the car and everything. like i knew I knew Sunset Boulevard so well, because when I moved here, I moved to Hollywood.

00:29:58.23
Daniel Roebuck
um And then you know you do everything you can to get the hell out of Hollywood. you're you're You're stuck there at first.

00:30:08.73
Clifton Campbell
ah The family that stautes together stays together, I think is one of my favorite lines from the movie, along with the glop of the glop of the machine.

00:30:15.28
Daniel Roebuck
The glop of the glop of the glop of the machine.

00:30:16.12
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:30:18.22
Clifton Campbell
glop the glop of the machine.

00:30:18.94
Daniel Roebuck
yeah you the glop of the glop of the glop of the.

00:30:21.14
Marty Ketola
oh

00:30:21.43
Daniel Roebuck
but get but the bo that do I mean, you know how I mean, that's what the how I think.

00:30:23.92
Clifton Campbell
it's good.

00:30:28.20
Daniel Roebuck
How would they have found that location

00:30:30.89
Clifton Campbell
Mm

00:30:31.83
Daniel Roebuck
ah if that shit was in the original script?

00:30:34.70
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:30:35.35
Clifton Campbell
hmm.

00:30:35.70
Daniel Roebuck
You know what I mean? Like, that that you'd have to be, you'd have to have the place to look up. Anyway, I just, it's, you know, quite, quite cool.

00:30:46.81
Clifton Campbell
I love her invasion of the club. i love the – first off, for for listeners, if you watch this movie, these – back in the day, men had gentlemen's clubs and they weren't places where strippers – where you went to watch strippers. Although, you know, ladies would sometimes jump out of a cake every now and then at at a birthday party or something. But it was just a place that women weren't allowed where men could go – and you know get a massage, work out, hang out, play cards, whatever.

00:31:13.72
Clifton Campbell
These places don't exist anymore. you know the The women's rights movement rightly kind of killed those spaces because they were like, hey, we've got to have those.

00:31:20.79
Daniel Roebuck
Why do you got to say rightly?

00:31:22.62
Clifton Campbell
Well, you know, we'll do kind of rightly, you know.

00:31:23.03
Daniel Roebuck
What kind of sissy boy are you? but Women have clubs where only women can go.

00:31:28.09
Clifton Campbell
True. Well, do they? I don't know.

00:31:33.51
Daniel Roebuck
Yes.

00:31:34.23
Clifton Campbell
Really?

00:31:34.54
Daniel Roebuck
They're called women's only gyms.

00:31:36.83
Clifton Campbell
yeah.

00:31:36.90
Daniel Roebuck
They're in the news a lot lately because men keep trying to invade them.

00:31:41.22
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:31:41.63
Clifton Campbell
Ah, okay.

00:31:41.75
Daniel Roebuck
But they're women's only gyms.

00:31:42.68
Clifton Campbell
So it's the reverse the it's the reverse of the 70s with the clubs.

00:31:45.78
Daniel Roebuck
What's so bad about having a a men's only club? I wouldn't want to go there. You know, there's I can tell you there's men only clubs all over the United States. know what they're called? Comic book stores.

00:31:57.69
Marty Ketola
ah

00:32:00.66
Marty Ketola
her

00:32:05.30
Clifton Campbell
Good point. Good point. And you're right. I just, i feel you know, hey, look.

00:32:09.32
Daniel Roebuck
No, but this is our, we've got to say rightly so, no.

00:32:10.42
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:32:10.58
Marty Ketola
the misogyny aspect here.

00:32:12.50
Clifton Campbell
Right, Lisa.

00:32:12.56
Daniel Roebuck
It was a place where the women didn't come, but I love that they're going to, she's gorgeous and they're still going to throw out.

00:32:13.72
Clifton Campbell
True.

00:32:14.73
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:32:15.18
Clifton Campbell
That's true.

00:32:18.90
Clifton Campbell
Right. Yeah. Well, and she I love the way she barrels in.

00:32:19.77
Daniel Roebuck
you know.

00:32:21.42
Clifton Campbell
She kind of just, she just gets in there and and and I love the reaction is like, well, this club has been around for 120 some odd years and never has a woman step, a woman, a woman.

00:32:21.88
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:32:31.86
Daniel Roebuck
but then the guy But then he says, ma sometimes there's a diddling in the afternoon and we say that you're in the... We say you're... like the i will Look, I will call you on your on your your your new age...

00:32:49.53
Daniel Roebuck
and You're a nice guy, but I'll call you on your political correctness.

00:32:54.14
Clifton Campbell
I'm sorry.

00:32:54.17
Daniel Roebuck
But I will also say, this is a movie that has a guy roofing a girl in it.

00:32:58.65
Marty Ketola
were Yeah.

00:33:00.66
Clifton Campbell
Yes. I mean, it's it's very much skewering.

00:33:03.64
Daniel Roebuck
right

00:33:03.78
Clifton Campbell
it's it's It's making fun of a lot of, like, this whole idea that, you know, these these poor men are are path are are just pathetically miserable because their wives are, are you know, browbeating them constantly and harpies.

00:33:13.37
Daniel Roebuck
Harpies, right.

00:33:14.94
Clifton Campbell
And, you know, so it's really, it's, yeah, it's really playing into that shit a lot.

00:33:15.38
Daniel Roebuck
Like it's the whole way he gets out of, gets, yeah, and he gets, he gets,

00:33:20.36
Clifton Campbell
Like, you know, and I guess that's why where my rightly so comes from a little bit, which I'm like, these guys do kind of deserve to have their little club busted up a bit.

00:33:26.25
Marty Ketola
Well, then it became a sitcom called Married with Children, right?

00:33:29.43
Daniel Roebuck
yeah.

00:33:29.91
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. yeah

00:33:30.30
Marty Ketola
i really

00:33:31.67
Daniel Roebuck
Like, the to dude, this the craziness about, like, when they're all, like, it's like a funeral. and The guy goes, she said she doesn't want to marry me.

00:33:40.86
Clifton Campbell
Oh my God.

00:33:43.33
Daniel Roebuck
And they all go, yeah-hoo-hoo!

00:33:47.99
Daniel Roebuck
But, I mean, the movie's called How to Murder Your Wife.

00:33:48.18
Clifton Campbell
i love.

00:33:50.10
Daniel Roebuck
It's already it's already problematic by modern standards.

00:33:50.17
Clifton Campbell
Right. It's all. You already know what you're. ha um Exactly.

00:33:55.35
Daniel Roebuck
But... But, you know, the the whole point is it's not about murdering your wife.

00:33:58.10
Clifton Campbell
i i loved it.

00:34:01.48
Daniel Roebuck
It's about falling in love with her.

00:34:01.85
Clifton Campbell
No.

00:34:03.42
Marty Ketola
Exactly.

00:34:03.70
Clifton Campbell
Exactly.

00:34:03.90
Marty Ketola
i

00:34:04.70
Clifton Campbell
Well, yeah.

00:34:04.47
Marty Ketola
Both movies were a bit of a bait and switch for me because I thought because I hadn't seen either movie until this week.

00:34:08.38
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Yeah, you thought the second one was a circus movie, didn't you?

00:34:12.12
Marty Ketola
Well, I thought the second movie was going to be about, oh, we burnt this place down and now we have to cover for it. And they don't even make that decision until towards the end of the movie. And this one, the murder one, I thought it was going to be about the scheming and the murdering.

00:34:21.29
Clifton Campbell
the very end of the movie. Yeah.

00:34:24.82
Marty Ketola
But then that doesn't happen till towards the end as well.

00:34:28.32
Daniel Roebuck
What I think, you know, I love movies that are, I call them backstage movies. And ah ah like if they're about show business, let's say The Dresser,

00:34:35.16
Clifton Campbell
aha

00:34:41.08
Clifton Campbell
Love those favorites.

00:34:43.70
Daniel Roebuck
um Singing in the Rain, a good newer example that's perfection is The Wrestler.

00:34:47.34
Clifton Campbell
Oh,

00:34:52.78
Clifton Campbell
that's a good one.

00:34:52.89
Daniel Roebuck
um This, this is a amazing behind the scenes look at the Schmarter business in downtown l LA that like it's shot, like, i mean it's Joe Alvinson, right?

00:35:08.93
Daniel Roebuck
So it's shot like Rocky. you You feel like you're in the real place. what you know If you can write $300,000.

00:35:13.70
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:35:16.74
Daniel Roebuck
Now what's funny is I go to like these Halloween conventions right where like and i yeah I just have these images of Don Post's father saying to Don Post Jr., the mask maker, we're burning the place down.

00:35:31.69
Daniel Roebuck
We're losing all this money. um Don Post Sr. was always at the track, that's but everybody always like he checked production from the track. um

00:35:45.40
Daniel Roebuck
I had a life-size Don Post senior, and I actually put in his pocket a racing form.

00:35:48.14
Clifton Campbell
Wow. Yeah.

00:35:53.22
Daniel Roebuck
And his son was like, I don't know how you got that right, but that that's freaky. um But um anyway, I think it's a great, that too is great about this movie, that writing the, you know, you got to write 300,000 a day. And then one day he goes, that's the thing, and that put it and dealing with the the angry designer.

00:36:17.34
Daniel Roebuck
and then And then he's in the, you know, at the Mayan theater downtown with the great Thayer David, like planning on burning his place down.

00:36:26.33
Marty Ketola
ah

00:36:28.28
Clifton Campbell
what' um what do you give um What do you give How to Murder Your Wife out of five stars?

00:36:33.55
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, we got to give it. Oh, it's a movie that holds up still five out of five. I think it's a movie of its time that's still entertaining, has great, great leads, great performances. Five out of five for what it is.

00:36:47.00
Daniel Roebuck
if If I was putting it next to Amadeus, I would give it a two out of five.

00:36:47.28
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:36:51.44
Daniel Roebuck
but But we shouldn't judge the movies for...

00:36:51.35
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:36:51.80
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:36:55.07
Daniel Roebuck
We should judge them. Do they succeed at what they're trying to do? And I'm sure that movie was very popular. Like we watched it on TV all the time.

00:37:04.25
Clifton Campbell
it did It did really well in theater in in theaters as far as the the box office goes, so it did fine.

00:37:08.17
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, good. Okay.

00:37:09.78
Clifton Campbell
Marty, what about you?

00:37:11.20
Marty Ketola
Uh, but before I tell you my rating, I do want to say that it it, it felt like if this movie didn't exist, one of my favorite sitcoms from the eighties doesn't happen too close for comfort where it was.

00:37:23.20
Marty Ketola
Henry rush was a cartoonist who wore colorful sweaters while he drew his cartoon. And I'm thinking, did they get some sort of inspiration from this movie?

00:37:28.44
Daniel Roebuck
Right.

00:37:31.49
Marty Ketola
But I'm going go ahead and give it a, like you said, if I get a, uh, put it against Amadeus, I'd say about a three, but for what it is, it would be the five again. Right.

00:37:41.65
Clifton Campbell
going to go. i think I think it's a my only problem is that its pacing is a little long. It's just a touch.

00:37:47.83
Daniel Roebuck
but court The courtroom's way too long.

00:37:47.86
Clifton Campbell
I would.

00:37:48.43
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

00:37:49.43
Clifton Campbell
court the The courtroom, the courtroom drags and and and we kind of wrap that.

00:37:50.81
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

00:37:53.15
Clifton Campbell
stuff We're getting a lot of exposition to wrap it it up and.

00:37:53.30
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, now you're making me rethink my number.

00:37:55.64
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:37:57.02
Clifton Campbell
So I'm going to four.

00:37:57.05
Daniel Roebuck
now I'm going four. Four out of five. Four out of five.

00:37:59.44
Clifton Campbell
I'm going four. I'm going four. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

00:38:01.57
Daniel Roebuck
Hey. um

00:38:02.41
Clifton Campbell
That's my biggest problem with it because up until that point, I'm laughing. She's great. She's barreling through everything. Just awesome. The button's hilarious.

00:38:09.21
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, she's, yeah, she's.

00:38:10.73
Clifton Campbell
Then we get the the death and she leaves and it's all great. And then this courtroom stuff suddenly happens. And while there's some great moments in it, it's like, all right, let's wrap it up.

00:38:18.08
Daniel Roebuck
No, it's too long.

00:38:19.38
Clifton Campbell
Let's wrap it up.

00:38:19.46
Marty Ketola
no

00:38:19.98
Clifton Campbell
Let's wrap it up.

00:38:20.33
Daniel Roebuck
Marty, Marty, did you ever see My World and Welcome to It?

00:38:24.38
Marty Ketola
no

00:38:25.69
Daniel Roebuck
That was. um

00:38:30.49
Daniel Roebuck
was it's this is like the the fact that I can't remember this actor. This is, he's the actor that I modeled my life on. And for some reason, like my world and welcome to it, i

00:38:40.95
Marty Ketola
ah

00:38:42.48
Clifton Campbell
Let's William Windham. william windyndham

00:38:44.92
Daniel Roebuck
William Wyndham. I'm having, like, that was my brain. That's a 63-year-old brain. Like, you know, William Wyndham, think about him. That's all I ever wanted to be. I never said, I'm going to be a star. I'm going to be this. I'm going to be that. I just wanted it to be William Wyndham. I just wanted it to work all the time. And I got that.

00:39:02.19
Daniel Roebuck
I'm, you know, I'm in Star Trek.

00:39:02.74
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. I mean, dude.

00:39:04.41
Daniel Roebuck
I'm in Star Wars. I'm in Lois Clark.

00:39:06.84
Clifton Campbell
he

00:39:07.03
Daniel Roebuck
I'm in, you know. So, but that was a show from the late 60s where William Wyndham drew either children's books or a comic strip.

00:39:08.79
Clifton Campbell
if your your career is awesome it's been amazing

00:39:20.21
Daniel Roebuck
And then it was, that was based on, um, um,

00:39:23.75
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:39:26.20
Daniel Roebuck
um

00:39:26.87
Clifton Campbell
yeah he drew like a dog comic strip about a dog or something right

00:39:30.23
Daniel Roebuck
But he had the daughter who was in everything back then. She was like before Pamela Fried and Friedland. She was the girl before that. They're both actually in an Odd Couple episode, the daughters.

00:39:43.35
Daniel Roebuck
um Yeah, William Wyndham. Anyway, that that I always thought, for me, that was the the predecessor of Too Close for Comfort.

00:39:51.30
Marty Ketola
Oh, OK. I'll have to check that out.

00:39:52.54
Clifton Campbell
Okay. Okay.

00:39:53.37
Daniel Roebuck
And I mean, and that, you know, Ted Knight. Oh, my God.

00:39:56.57
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:39:57.75
Clifton Campbell
ah ah Let's not, yeah, Ted Knight.

00:39:57.64
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. ah

00:40:00.63
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so, ah all right, so we've scored that one.

00:40:04.47
Marty Ketola
OK.

00:40:05.56
Clifton Campbell
So moving to save the tiger there.

00:40:07.03
Marty Ketola
So ah I feel like both oh of today's movies, I felt like people from the 50s dealing with it's a new decade now.

00:40:07.34
Clifton Campbell
Let me read that description.

00:40:15.70
Marty Ketola
and How do we handle that? Like the first movie felt like now it's the 60s, but we're still acting like it's the 50s. But the 60s are here. But then the second movie, now it's the 70s.

00:40:27.42
Marty Ketola
And now you really have to deal with the change. So a lot of interesting culture shock in Save the Tiger. What is Save the Tiger, Cliff?

00:40:35.93
Clifton Campbell
Save the Tiger, 1973, rated R, hour and 40 minutes long. ah Here's your log line. Troubled garment manufacturer Harry Stoner tries to make his small debt-ridden factory survive.

00:40:45.19
Daniel Roebuck
Thank you.

00:40:45.94
Clifton Campbell
He hires an arsonist to bring down a building so he can collect the insurance money, pimps for clients, and has flashbacks to the war. directed by John G. Avildsen, written by Steve Shagan, starring Jack Lemmon, Jack Guilford, Laurie Heinemann.

00:40:59.76
Clifton Campbell
Storyline here real quick. The film depicts a day and a half in Harry Stoner's life. Harry is down in his luck and trapped in his own indulgences, trying to escape from the fact that business is dire and his company owes bundles of money.

00:41:11.48
Clifton Campbell
His day is filled with unusually ah unusual episodes as he picks up a pretty young hitch hippie hitchhiker, rings for his company's warehouse to burn down so he can collect the insurance money, arguing with his most unfaithful employee about the consequences, and then hires a prostitute for an important salesman and, while speaking at a fashion show, experiences rather uncomfortable World War II flashbacks.

00:41:15.26
Daniel Roebuck
Thank

00:41:30.94
Clifton Campbell
He has a hell of a day, that's for sure.

00:41:34.17
Marty Ketola
And he's only 33 in this movie. Well, ah no, he's only... what Wait a minute. Is he 33 in this movie or 37 in the other movie? But I'm thinking you should be about almost 50 in this movie.

00:41:45.83
Marty Ketola
But turns out that's probably what he really was closer to in this character's age. and say

00:41:50.82
Daniel Roebuck
He's playing a 33-year-old?

00:41:52.86
Marty Ketola
Well, at one point, he tells the hippie girl, you know, oh I'm only 33.

00:41:56.50
Clifton Campbell
Then he's 33.

00:41:57.42
Marty Ketola
And she's like, no, you're older than that.

00:41:59.73
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's that's a lie.

00:41:59.98
Marty Ketola
yeah yeah Yeah.

00:42:03.24
Daniel Roebuck
But, you know, he was 52.

00:42:03.65
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:42:06.04
Daniel Roebuck
No, he was, wait, 50.

00:42:06.07
Marty Ketola
Oh, okay.

00:42:08.47
Daniel Roebuck
No, he was 46.

00:42:09.93
Marty Ketola
That sounds about right, yeah.

00:42:11.94
Daniel Roebuck
He's 46. Hey, by the way, did you guys watch Network lately?

00:42:16.57
Clifton Campbell
Sure. I just got the criteria not ah about the two months ago. Watched it. Yeah.

00:42:22.23
Daniel Roebuck
So, you know, it's a big titan hit.

00:42:22.00
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:42:25.57
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:42:27.10
Daniel Roebuck
But network, ah network, ah William Holden is six years younger than I am right now.

00:42:40.92
Clifton Campbell
Really?

00:42:40.92
Daniel Roebuck
Look at, he was like 56, 57. 57.

00:42:45.14
Clifton Campbell
Wow.

00:42:45.34
Daniel Roebuck
fifty seven in that movie, and when he's like, you know, he's doing those monologues about the old the old guy and this and that. I mean, i want you to think of the absurdity that use this this, I know my hair is gray and white, but I do not look like, no.

00:42:58.33
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:43:07.64
Clifton Campbell
Oh, you don't no you don't look in your 60s at all, man. No, not at all. No. Still got that still got the baby face.

00:43:12.59
Daniel Roebuck
It's amazing. I do. I still have, you know, I still, I still got my, my, my, uh, my biscuit face, but it's, well, you know what I never did?

00:43:21.58
Clifton Campbell
It's moisturized. It's lot of moisturizer. A lot of lotions, emollients, and creams.

00:43:26.10
Daniel Roebuck
I never did drugs. I never smoked and I don't drink.

00:43:27.92
Marty Ketola
Mm hmm. Yeah.

00:43:29.78
Clifton Campbell
Ah, okay. Yep. Yep.

00:43:31.99
Daniel Roebuck
So that's, that's the winner. But, um, anyway, so yeah, so lemon's about 47, uh, but it's not really that old.

00:43:39.86
Marty Ketola
right.

00:43:40.44
Daniel Roebuck
um, um And he's, I mean, and the other thing was too, by the way, as we're saying, Marty, somebody brings him his breakfast in both movies.

00:43:51.34
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm that's right.

00:43:51.19
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:43:53.78
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:43:53.75
Marty Ketola
And he he does speak a different language in this one, while as in the other one, he just does the broken English.

00:43:57.03
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. He does it.

00:43:59.15
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:43:59.47
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. He's right. The broken, you know, English, the insulting English.

00:44:01.88
Marty Ketola
no

00:44:04.06
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:44:03.86
Marty Ketola
and Right.

00:44:05.50
Daniel Roebuck
But, I mean, to me, save the Tiger, and it's it's interesting because then you could you could jack that desperation up to Glenn Green, Glenn Ross.

00:44:15.96
Clifton Campbell
is this This is where the Safdies are getting their shit from.

00:44:17.06
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:44:20.28
Clifton Campbell
this is This is Uncut Gems, basically. That's what this is. I mean, this is Uncut Gems before Uncut Gems. I mean, the the way that the movie just continues to ratchet up the tension and ratchet up the fear for him and and he's his bad mistakes and one bad fucking mistake after another and now what's going on and now this thing and oh my God, now the salesman's having a heart attack and and you know it's it's Uncut Gems, it's the Safdies all over again.

00:44:31.00
Marty Ketola
and it's that 70s filmmaking now but more realistic you know the gritty yeah

00:44:42.97
Marty Ketola
but also like the last detail too right Clifford had that kind of fried out early 70s burnt out kind of vibe yeah

00:44:46.38
Clifton Campbell
Mmm. Mmm. That's a good... Yes. Yeah. That's good call.

00:44:52.18
Daniel Roebuck
Last c detail is is spectacular.

00:44:54.85
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:44:57.34
Daniel Roebuck
guys Just spectacular. ah Another, like, boy, a look at. I was trying to explain this someone because we were doing a 19, there's a 1972 74 sequence in Louie. And

00:45:13.21
Daniel Roebuck
like in louis and And I was like, look at this. You can watch. There's a the... They show... It's either that at the train station or at the prison. They show a parking lot. Every car is white or brown or orange.

00:45:30.23
Daniel Roebuck
Every car. You know, that's what it looked like when we were alive back then. It...

00:45:36.96
Clifton Campbell
Everything was either avocado green or rust colored in the 70s.

00:45:40.21
Daniel Roebuck
Or Roscoe. It was like, you know, it's like the... the

00:45:41.32
Clifton Campbell
That's what I remember from the 70s.

00:45:46.26
Daniel Roebuck
The Brady Bunch. I mean, that's what that's what the world looked like.

00:45:47.42
Marty Ketola
right

00:45:48.31
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:45:50.50
Daniel Roebuck
I lived in that world. And

00:45:52.47
Clifton Campbell
And that's, and those are the clothes he's selling. Like when you look at his line going out, you're like, that's, that's some Marsha Brady and Jan Brady shit that there's, that they're selling.

00:45:55.77
Daniel Roebuck
yeah, right. Yes. Yes. A thousand percent.

00:46:00.80
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. But they're, but they're,

00:46:02.01
Daniel Roebuck
if you can if If you can write up $300,000 today, then he goes, we take it to the bank and discount it.

00:46:06.62
Clifton Campbell
they, yes. And we get 150,000. Yeah, have 50 cents on the dollar.

00:46:10.65
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:46:12.02
Clifton Campbell
So we get 150 grand.

00:46:14.11
Marty Ketola
How much is cash going for today?

00:46:14.49
Clifton Campbell
That dude is in deep shit.

00:46:14.83
Daniel Roebuck
That's a loan.

00:46:15.93
Clifton Campbell
That dude is in deep shit. I've been, at I've worked for companies that are in that kind of trouble.

00:46:20.16
Daniel Roebuck
No.

00:46:20.44
Clifton Campbell
When you get to that point, you're a deep shit. You're financially just in deep shit. You're probably not going to dig yourself out of it.

00:46:23.78
Marty Ketola
Could you burn him down?

00:46:26.33
Daniel Roebuck
And they already lied, you know, they lied on their taxes the year before.

00:46:26.55
Clifton Campbell
You know?

00:46:30.62
Clifton Campbell
What do you say?

00:46:30.94
Daniel Roebuck
But it's like his wife has no idea.

00:46:31.11
Clifton Campbell
We invented a whole new type of math. We invented a whole new type of math last year.

00:46:33.03
Daniel Roebuck
Oh,

00:46:35.67
Clifton Campbell
Oh, speaking of which, ah Jack Guilford is one of my favorite actors. I've always loved Jack Guilford, and he's so good in this as the conscience.

00:46:40.02
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

00:46:40.50
Daniel Roebuck
so interesting.

00:46:40.58
Marty Ketola
He's so good. Yeah.

00:46:44.58
Clifton Campbell
He's he's trying to be Jack's conscience so badly and just that those looks he gives him, these looks of just kind of disgust and pity. where he just looks at him like, what happened to you? But also where he completely understands that he's just begging him not to do it. It's all there in the face. He doesn't even have to say anything.

00:47:01.76
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm. huh

00:47:02.26
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, and Guilford was given, i think he got a nomination ah for it.

00:47:02.84
Clifton Campbell
So good.

00:47:06.20
Clifton Campbell
Yes, he did.

00:47:08.36
Daniel Roebuck
Now, Guilford, under you know, definitely underutilized character guy. ah The guy who who plays the cutter, you see in more movies, that guy's in like 1776.

00:47:20.14
Clifton Campbell
He's so good.

00:47:21.37
Daniel Roebuck
He's so good.

00:47:21.40
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:47:22.57
Daniel Roebuck
But Guilford, you know, i can't think of, he wasn't in that many movie movies. He must have been busy on Broadway all the time.

00:47:29.35
Clifton Campbell
Cocoon is what I remember him from. I remember him from Cocoon.

00:47:32.18
Daniel Roebuck
Which one?

00:47:34.50
Clifton Campbell
That's the big one with Don Amici and Wilford Brimley.

00:47:34.62
Daniel Roebuck
Cocoon. Right. Yeah, yeah. And before that, it was a funny thing happened all the way to the forum. But I'll bet you if we looked, his his movie credits are probably 40 50.

00:47:42.12
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:47:46.36
Daniel Roebuck
You know,

00:47:47.91
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:47:48.95
Daniel Roebuck
you know

00:47:50.24
Clifton Campbell
Caveman.

00:47:51.48
Daniel Roebuck
and But compared to his talent, you know what I mean?

00:47:52.08
Clifton Campbell
oops Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and he did a lot. God, he did so much television. He did a ton of television

00:47:58.87
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:47:59.96
Clifton Campbell
But hell of an actor, one of my favorites.

00:48:00.15
Daniel Roebuck
Probably York. Yeah. Great, great, great entertainer. Someone was saying you can't really find Cocoon. Now, I haven't tried. i saw that.

00:48:10.36
Marty Ketola
Oh, it wasn't on a streamer.

00:48:10.70
Clifton Campbell
it's it's It's tough to find, actually.

00:48:12.82
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:48:13.78
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's tough to find. Okay, so so my Frankenfurter joke, the doctor, his doctor is named Frankfurter.

00:48:19.19
Daniel Roebuck
Okay.

00:48:22.46
Clifton Campbell
in the movie.

00:48:22.36
Marty Ketola
mean Tim Curry?

00:48:23.10
Clifton Campbell
Are you going to call Dr.

00:48:23.64
Daniel Roebuck
Oh.

00:48:24.47
Clifton Campbell
Frank Furter? And I'm immediately like, you're a hot dog, but you better not try to hurt her, Frank Furter, because, you know, Rocky, here's my Rocky Horror Picture Show joke.

00:48:27.22
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:48:28.89
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, Frank Furt.

00:48:32.11
Clifton Campbell
But anyway, um yeah, i just caught that.

00:48:34.04
Daniel Roebuck
Frank.

00:48:34.27
Clifton Campbell
and I was, I started laughing, thinking, first off, what a name for a doctor. And secondly, it's got to be a hot dog joke in there somewhere, right?

00:48:40.70
Daniel Roebuck
And then he's he's insinuating that the other doctor was, the other psychiatrist was all over her.

00:48:47.51
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:48:47.61
Daniel Roebuck
She would you insulted him.

00:48:47.83
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:48:49.72
Daniel Roebuck
And then, by the way, there's the other thing that the your back is getting worse. And you're like, what the fuck is that? Cancer or whatever? I mean, the guy's just got so...

00:48:59.51
Clifton Campbell
moving

00:49:00.49
Daniel Roebuck
Of course he wakes up screaming.

00:49:02.26
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, that would she she just casually it says to him to like, yeah, he wakes up screaming and she's just like, you had night terrors again.

00:49:05.88
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:49:08.50
Clifton Campbell
It's like, why don't you try waking him up and consoling him or being a person who really gives a shit?

00:49:12.22
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:49:13.30
Clifton Campbell
Right. And within the first 20 minutes of this movie, you can tell that this man is deeply unhappy.

00:49:14.50
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:49:19.09
Clifton Campbell
He is deeply, deeply unhappy.

00:49:19.00
Marty Ketola
Well, it's the 70s, Cliff. but She's taking pills so she can sleep on the plane.

00:49:22.97
Clifton Campbell
and enough

00:49:23.32
Marty Ketola
and She's just like, yeah, you know, you had your night terrors again.

00:49:25.69
Clifton Campbell
Good point. Good point point. He's putting socks on with garters for God's sakes.

00:49:30.46
Marty Ketola
Very quintessential 70s, though.

00:49:31.09
Daniel Roebuck
Socks with garter, that's right.

00:49:33.02
Marty Ketola
Yeah. That bleak, depressing.

00:49:34.68
Daniel Roebuck
Now, by the way, it's interesting. we Now, I wore, again, I'm older. I wore socks in the 70s, and we didn't we didn't wear the garters thing.

00:49:43.74
Clifton Campbell
I didn't either. No.

00:49:44.79
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:49:46.04
Daniel Roebuck
I mean, it's such a strange thing, but such a a great a great moment in time. No, this is these are the kind of movies, when I come home from work, ah I don't, i people always say, oh God, you've got to see Stranger Things.

00:50:02.00
Daniel Roebuck
I don't, I don't got to see it.

00:50:04.15
Clifton Campbell
I don't gotta, I don't need to keep, I don't need to keep up.

00:50:04.54
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, I got to see, yeah, I got to see great filmmakers making great movies.

00:50:12.34
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:50:13.07
Daniel Roebuck
That's how I learn how to make better movies.

00:50:15.19
Marty Ketola
right

00:50:15.78
Clifton Campbell
Fading your soul with that.

00:50:16.28
Daniel Roebuck
I got to work, watch, I watch this, I watch what any anything like this.

00:50:16.62
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:22.48
Daniel Roebuck
By the way, you know, the have you seen the parallax view lately?

00:50:29.69
Daniel Roebuck
No?

00:50:29.93
Clifton Campbell
I don't think so.

00:50:30.62
Daniel Roebuck
Look up the parallax view, Warren Beatty.

00:50:30.71
Clifton Campbell
Hmm.

00:50:33.85
Daniel Roebuck
ah The parallax view, and then you think about, like, these people trying to kill Donald Trump. that And you're like, you know, the one guy, the first guy,

00:50:46.17
Daniel Roebuck
they They let him shoot him and then they shot him. Like, you watch the guy, sees it, he shoots, and then he kills him. Go watch the parallax view and you'll scream.

00:50:56.79
Clifton Campbell
Oh, Paul, Paul apprentice view movie. Nice.

00:50:59.96
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, yeah, you won't.

00:51:00.09
Clifton Campbell
Um,

00:51:00.64
Daniel Roebuck
Paul Apprentice is, uh, I won't ruin it for you, but but Kenneth Mars, Paul Apprentice, I mean, there's no there's no lack of great actors in that movie.

00:51:04.79
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:51:12.95
Clifton Campbell
You mentioned, you mentioned once at upon a time in Hollywood, when you were talking about saving the tiger, save the tiger earlier.

00:51:13.45
Daniel Roebuck
Uh,

00:51:17.05
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah,

00:51:17.75
Marty Ketola
I could see that.

00:51:18.23
Clifton Campbell
And, and one one of my notes is this has got once upon a time in Hollywood vibes.

00:51:18.33
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:51:22.63
Clifton Campbell
And in in particular, the scene where he picks up the hippie, right?

00:51:25.75
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:26.39
Daniel Roebuck
I'm sure.

00:51:26.94
Clifton Campbell
That is, and and she offers to basically ball him. And and it's like that, that it's like Tarantino just lifted that entire scene and threw it into Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. It's damn near the same fucking thing, man.

00:51:37.50
Daniel Roebuck
Well, I'm sure he was watching, and only a moron would know to watch Save the Tiger so you could get your design correct on Sunset and Hollywood Boulevard.

00:51:39.54
Clifton Campbell
Absolutely.

00:51:45.59
Clifton Campbell
Right. Nailed it. Nailed it.

00:51:48.60
Daniel Roebuck
um

00:51:48.77
Clifton Campbell
And i i do like how the i do I do like how the writer doesn't have Lemmon's ego inflate.

00:51:49.59
Daniel Roebuck
But... but

00:51:53.12
Clifton Campbell
Like when he gets hit on by this girl, he doesn't... He doesn't he doesn't like look in the mirror and be like, yeah, I still got it right like he he doesn't it it.

00:52:00.12
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

00:52:01.53
Clifton Campbell
I love the writing and the choices that the writers make for these characters. like it's it's It's something else than just, hey, inflating my male ego or kind of making me feel like I'm sexy. There's this whole other thing to it, which I thought was brilliant.

00:52:15.54
Clifton Campbell
Brilliant.

00:52:15.58
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, I mean, he's he's he's just a national treasure. I don't know how many actors are that, that...

00:52:21.67
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

00:52:24.69
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. what the hell did he What the hell did he do to Ollie the valet? Remember he parks his car and he and he's like, hey, Ollie. And Ollie's like, basically, fuck you, man, and walks away.

00:52:33.14
Marty Ketola
Oh yeah, that guy was not happy to see him.

00:52:35.52
Clifton Campbell
It's like, what did she what did you do to Ollie?

00:52:36.39
Daniel Roebuck
he's but Right, and remember, he's there's something about the valet and the big way. Now I'm thinking, I don't remember. Remember, she says, he mentions Ali the valet earlier in the thing.

00:52:49.05
Clifton Campbell
did i did i Did I not pick that up? I didn't pick up on that then.

00:52:51.51
Daniel Roebuck
She mentions, he he why were you screaming?

00:52:51.61
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:52:55.18
Daniel Roebuck
And he says it was Ali the valet, is what she says. He said, yeah, I'll be honest with you.

00:52:59.86
Clifton Campbell
Interesting. Okay. Okay.

00:53:03.38
Daniel Roebuck
I don't remember.

00:53:06.05
Clifton Campbell
It's a weird choice. Weird choice. Anyway. Okay.

00:53:08.09
Marty Ketola
yeah One of the great ah side effects of doing this podcast with Cliff is we get to watch, you know, we force each other to watch movies every week. And it's a lot of movies that we hadn't seen before, or movies that we should be watching ah a lot more often or good movies to learn, you know, to make our craft better.

00:53:26.80
Marty Ketola
And so this is another one where I'm just like, this is ah another one that's going to go on that rewatch list. And I feel like I've i've grabbed something from it, you know, so.

00:53:35.35
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, I was I was completely engrossed in this movie. I couldn't stop watching it. There was no there was no bathroom break. There was no getting a drink. There was no looking at my phone. There was none of that. It was like.

00:53:42.90
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Great timing, great pacing. Yeah.

00:53:45.34
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, it's the movie's only an hour 40 minutes long.

00:53:45.46
Clifton Campbell
It was. and Awesome.

00:53:47.29
Marty Ketola
then

00:53:48.60
Daniel Roebuck
and And yeah, it just it it it just it it burns.

00:53:48.79
Clifton Campbell
It's perfect. It's perfect.

00:53:53.76
Daniel Roebuck
But these are, again, this is the guy who gave us Rocky and the Karate Kid.

00:53:56.75
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:53:58.31
Daniel Roebuck
This is this is a guy who knows how to tell a story

00:53:58.42
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:58.19
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:54:01.72
Clifton Campbell
Not kidding. Not kidding.

00:54:02.81
Daniel Roebuck
um You know, what I was reminded watching this movie, something I do often when i um this next movie, we've it's called Men of Granite. And the one of the reasons called Men of Granite is it's about four Vietnam veterans, all of whom do the American Legion Honor Guard for at a cemetery. But one of them is also the guy who makes the tombstones.

00:54:28.92
Daniel Roebuck
um So he's the yeah he's he's essentially the first call to know when someone's dead because the funeral director calls him. um But, you know, i went into this place that were, you know, hoping they'll let us shoot at, this guy's, you know, stone-making masonry place.

00:54:52.28
Daniel Roebuck
And you see in the office... like how it looks and the things on the wall. And you're like, please don't, please take nothing out of here.

00:55:03.50
Clifton Campbell
Don't change anything. ah

00:55:05.08
Daniel Roebuck
Take me nothing. And when you're in the offices, ah Jack Yilford's office and his office, when you're in that place, um and I've i've been in in, for whatever reason, I went downtown watch for some costume fitting.

00:55:12.86
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:55:19.53
Daniel Roebuck
I was in those buildings. And ah it's exactly like that. And I thought the production design. See, you notice Richard Silbert's production design in How to Murder Your Wife, but you don't notice that someone worked equally as hard in in Save the Tiger.

00:55:41.55
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:43.03
Daniel Roebuck
You know, the house he lives in, the house up there in Malibu, all of it.

00:55:43.05
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:55:47.74
Clifton Campbell
This is a, this is a million dollar budget. And I mean, I know a million dollars in 75 was a hell of a lot more than it is now, but a million bucks for a film back then is still not a lot of money to, to, to shoot this, to shoot this kind of quality.

00:55:53.71
Marty Ketola
It's still, yeah. Well,

00:55:57.94
Marty Ketola
ah it's mostly just the two of them.

00:55:59.80
Clifton Campbell
I know it's, I know it's kind of a two-hander, right? It's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of dialogue, but good God, man, you know, and that gorgeous theater they shot in for the porn, the the supposed porn theater.

00:56:05.27
Marty Ketola
Oh, they packed it in, yeah.

00:56:10.46
Daniel Roebuck
The Mayan, that's still there.

00:56:11.54
Clifton Campbell
My God, that theater is gorgeous. And the inside, just like, oh, that's beautiful.

00:56:13.75
Daniel Roebuck
i think that's still there.

00:56:17.11
Clifton Campbell
They don't make theaters like that anymore. It's a damn shame.

00:56:20.05
Daniel Roebuck
No, I did a, those, the Mayan may have been designed by John Eberson, who I just actually played in a movie they're making.

00:56:28.97
Clifton Campbell
Of course you did. Awesome.

00:56:30.55
Daniel Roebuck
Huh? Yeah.

00:56:31.06
Clifton Campbell
So awesome.

00:56:32.15
Daniel Roebuck
huh

00:56:32.86
Clifton Campbell
I said that's awesome. I love the fact that you're just it like...

00:56:34.90
Daniel Roebuck
They're making a ah move ah a video about the building of the Tampa Theater, which is 100 years old. So I went and played Iberson in their video because, you know, I live in Tampa too.

00:56:47.05
Daniel Roebuck
And Iberson did all those those theaters that had ah environmental theaters, you know, where the whole idea was that you were in a different place.

00:56:47.23
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:56:58.54
Daniel Roebuck
And then, dude, we did a great... great ah do not so do not speak in the theater video where Eberson came out and was like, you know, I went to all the trouble to design this to transport you from the outside world and you ruin it with your telephones and your talking.

00:57:21.11
Clifton Campbell
talking.

00:57:21.98
Marty Ketola
ah

00:57:22.46
Clifton Campbell
aye

00:57:23.38
Daniel Roebuck
um But that'll hopefully, they'll I was saying, we'll we'll get those, we'll play that in all the John Eberson theaters.

00:57:30.34
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:57:31.34
Daniel Roebuck
We'll recut it. um But yes, everything about Save the Tigers, everything that was great about movies in the 70s and everything that's wrong about movies today.

00:57:39.95
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:57:44.89
Clifton Campbell
ah claim The trivia here claims that Sissy Spacek was up for the part of Myra, but it went to Laurie Heinemann at the end.

00:57:49.66
Daniel Roebuck
Oh.

00:57:50.72
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:57:51.67
Daniel Roebuck
Oh.

00:57:52.06
Clifton Campbell
thought that would have been interesting. there should probably probably been a I could see her doing that. I could see Sissy playing that part.

00:57:56.34
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:57:56.92
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, of that age, yeah, that's...

00:57:59.32
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:57:59.70
Daniel Roebuck
It's right before Carrie.

00:58:00.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:58:00.98
Daniel Roebuck
She wouldn't have been as, you know, both are kind of hippies, but she wouldn't have been as sexy, I don't think.

00:58:07.13
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. I really like how, how, how that character walks him through his psychosis. Like when they finally get together and they have, you know, their, their night, she's, you could tell at points she's super fucking worried about him where she's part of my language.

00:58:20.58
Clifton Campbell
is just She's just like, she's looking at him like, dude, you got to come down. You got to calm down. You got to, and she stayed, but yet she's, she doesn't run away from it. She stays with him, walks him through it, walks him through his, his problems.

00:58:31.24
Clifton Campbell
And, and, you know, in the morning he leaves and so on. I, I really liked that. I thought that was a very, very good scene. Really well done.

00:58:37.66
Daniel Roebuck
Well, and I think that was that was kind of a... um it's It seems to me like that was a very purposeful a swipe at, you should go see this doctor, that other doctor does hypnosis.

00:58:53.82
Daniel Roebuck
You could go to the doctors, but she, in in knowing him 20 hours, knows everything about him and what's wrong.

00:59:02.23
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:59:02.78
Daniel Roebuck
And, and you know... And, you know, gives them the the recipe for happiness is to relax.

00:59:10.84
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:59:13.98
Daniel Roebuck
And so that's, I think, commentary, I think commentary on that.

00:59:16.90
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I feel like the whole movie is like, ah you know, life goes on. You know, ah all these bad things are going to be thrown at you and these challenges, but you got to remember to go, you know, watch some baseball every now and then and cut loose a little.

00:59:29.91
Daniel Roebuck
Right, right.

00:59:31.07
Marty Ketola
And, you know, the kid might tell you, you can't play with us, old man, you know, but it's okay. You can stand there and watch and enjoy, you know, just got to relax sometimes.

00:59:40.72
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. love it when he throws that ball.

00:59:41.14
Marty Ketola
So for for a 70s movie to have a little bit of hope there and its nihilism was kind of a nice mixture. Yeah.

00:59:47.34
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Very big fan. Very big fan of the movie. I appreciate you guys giving me a chance to watch it again.

00:59:52.15
Clifton Campbell
Same.

00:59:54.92
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

00:59:55.22
Clifton Campbell
We appreciate you coming on, taking, taking time out of your schedule to do that. Um, this is, yes, this was a, this was a freaking killer.

00:59:59.16
Marty Ketola
And bringing it to us, because I hadn't even heard of this one before.

01:00:04.18
Clifton Campbell
Absolute killer. Um, Oh, engage is now my new term for marijuana from here on out. If anybody says marijuana, I'll be like, oh, you mean gauge?

01:00:12.38
Daniel Roebuck
Gage.

01:00:12.88
Clifton Campbell
That's, that's my new term for marijuana.

01:00:13.05
Marty Ketola
this This stuff has always been around. You all didn't discover this, you know.

01:00:15.58
Clifton Campbell
yeah I just, I really enjoyed this film, man. It's language is honest. It's straightforward. It's not trying to fool you. it is, it is doing exactly what it's doing and it's firing on every cylinder it's got.

01:00:28.16
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:28.75
Clifton Campbell
It's just awesome.

01:00:30.71
Daniel Roebuck
And, you know, what kind of ah three years later was Michael Ritchie's ah Bad News Bears. And i'm I'm just thinking it's it's taking the Felix and Oscar and moving them into another decade.

01:00:40.81
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:46.04
Marty Ketola
who

01:00:47.98
Daniel Roebuck
And both of them are starting in the same kind of miserable place.

01:00:52.02
Marty Ketola
who

01:00:53.46
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. It was nice that they got back together for something comedy wise as successful as the odd couple when they did grumpy old men.

01:01:01.05
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, yeah, yeah, that was...

01:01:01.11
Clifton Campbell
oh

01:01:01.14
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:01:01.88
Clifton Campbell
It was, it was, it was nice to see them get to get back together and just kind of go at each other again. Like, you know I could watch that all day long.

01:01:06.62
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. Yeah, that's that that was that was joyful. Sometimes things are things are for a reason other than, you know, they made money, surely.

01:01:19.20
Daniel Roebuck
They made them, and then they made sequels because they made money. But who cares?

01:01:22.87
Clifton Campbell
Right, right.

01:01:24.14
Daniel Roebuck
That was just for all of us to just, you know, enjoy.

01:01:27.96
Clifton Campbell
My grandfather laughed his ass off at Grumpy Old Man.

01:01:28.62
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

01:01:30.52
Clifton Campbell
he I mean, Jesus Christ.

01:01:30.71
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, yeah.

01:01:32.00
Clifton Campbell
And burges Burgess Meredith being the filthiest person in the entire movie is just the, oh my God.

01:01:33.53
Daniel Roebuck
purchase very right page

01:01:39.40
Daniel Roebuck
He's got a Willie Her Wonka.

01:01:40.47
Clifton Campbell
which

01:01:40.92
Daniel Roebuck
They do all those.

01:01:41.39
Clifton Campbell
He's going to take the old tuna town to a boat to Tuna Town or something like that.

01:01:42.20
Daniel Roebuck
Is that in the credits?

01:01:45.83
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's ah they do the ah cannonball run credits and he just lets them roll one after the other. Oh, it's so good.

01:01:54.23
Daniel Roebuck
So ridiculous. So crazy.

01:01:56.73
Clifton Campbell
um

01:01:57.23
Daniel Roebuck
Well, good stuff.

01:01:58.90
Clifton Campbell
What do you give it, Dan?

01:02:00.18
Daniel Roebuck
Oh, five. the I give it a 10 out of five. i Yeah.

01:02:03.10
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, 10 out of 10, 5 out of 5, 4 out of 4, whatever you want to call it. that's it's it's hard It's hard to find a flaw with it.

01:02:08.25
Daniel Roebuck
i't i don't think i don't think there's movies better than that. ah I think it's it's a perfect little movie.

01:02:16.44
Clifton Campbell
it it When you talk about low budget indies that are that you know that rise above what they're doing and and when you talk about perfect films, this is exactly, you point to this and just it's perfect.

01:02:25.46
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

01:02:26.55
Marty Ketola
So you're going to do five as well there, Cliff?

01:02:28.54
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, absolutely. It has to be.

01:02:29.59
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:02:29.96
Daniel Roebuck
What about you, Marty?

01:02:30.06
Clifton Campbell
I can't i can't give anything less.

01:02:30.87
Marty Ketola
I'm at four and a half and rising because I just watched it. And I think the more I think about it, by the time we get to our season recap, this is probably going to sit right up there at the five because there really isn't any flaws to it, right?

01:02:36.31
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:39.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's been sitting with me the entire time.

01:02:40.06
Daniel Roebuck
Okay.

01:02:42.94
Clifton Campbell
No.

01:02:43.13
Daniel Roebuck
Good.

01:02:43.15
Clifton Campbell
No.

01:02:43.18
Marty Ketola
There's nothing to pick at or go, well, that was this or if no, it's really kind of solid.

01:02:46.07
Clifton Campbell
Mm-mm.

01:02:49.55
Marty Ketola
It's refreshing.

01:02:50.30
Clifton Campbell
It's just, yeah, it moves so damn well. And um my God, at that 50 minute mark, when when when suddenly he gets the call and his buyer has had a heart attack and he's covered in paint and that girl is literally just slobbering over him trying to get his breath back.

01:03:04.02
Marty Ketola
Oh yeah, that's weird.

01:03:07.26
Clifton Campbell
I'm like, oh man, this is getting you know worse and worse. And I'm just i'm just leaning in.

01:03:10.36
Marty Ketola
yeah Now I know what you mean with that uncut gems thing.

01:03:12.64
Clifton Campbell
I'm leaning into it.

01:03:13.57
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:03:14.33
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

01:03:14.46
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

01:03:14.57
Clifton Campbell
And that's exactly that Safdie Uncut Jim vibe. Exactly is what I mean. Yeah.

01:03:18.78
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:03:19.10
Clifton Campbell
um Well, thank you so much for coming on, man. We greatly appreciate it.

01:03:24.59
Daniel Roebuck
i'm I'm thrilled to be part of it. Bring me on again.

01:03:27.11
Marty Ketola
Oh crap.

01:03:27.79
Daniel Roebuck
We'll do another, we'll do two more movies.

01:03:30.20
Clifton Campbell
Absolutely.

01:03:30.46
Daniel Roebuck
I'd love to do it with you.

01:03:30.86
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

01:03:31.92
Daniel Roebuck
Thank you for including me.

01:03:34.94
Clifton Campbell
Let's see. i think Marty has frozen up on us. That's always good. You still there, buddy?

01:03:39.13
Daniel Roebuck
I don't know why he's so sad. Marty, don't freeze.

01:03:44.97
Daniel Roebuck
Marty.

01:03:45.84
Clifton Campbell
He's told us he's told me if he does freeze to go ahead and just continue on with that him. But in memoriam of Marty, um well, let's get out of here on a quote.

01:03:52.50
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

01:03:55.48
Clifton Campbell
So my quote is, me find it here. That old man is smart. He could diagnose a case case of hemorrhoids through a suit of armor, which is my my favorite line from Save the Tiger, I think.

01:04:06.23
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah. um Yeah. This is... I mean, i hate to go... ah

01:04:18.86
Daniel Roebuck
i' tell that You said earlier, we invented a new...

01:04:21.24
Clifton Campbell
Hit me with it.

01:04:24.09
Daniel Roebuck
Last year, we invented a new form of math. But I think the point of the movie is you should go you should go watch some baseball.

01:04:31.32
Clifton Campbell
You should go watch some baseball.

01:04:33.46
Daniel Roebuck
Yeah.

01:04:33.58
Clifton Campbell
Love it.

01:04:34.30
Daniel Roebuck
Like, that's simply the point of it.

01:04:34.36
Clifton Campbell
I love it.

01:04:37.30
Clifton Campbell
Fantastic. Daniel, thanks so much for coming on. We will definitely hit you up again and have and have you on again.

01:04:40.70
Daniel Roebuck
Thank you, buddy.

01:04:43.07
Clifton Campbell
Maybe first maybe some more Mathau, maybe Nicholson, talking Nicholson, who knows, but we'll definitely have you back.

01:04:42.94
Marty Ketola
Cheesy peasy that was fucking lame.

01:04:47.10
Daniel Roebuck
Anything you want.

01:04:48.47
Clifton Campbell
Perfect.

01:04:48.87
Daniel Roebuck
Rod Steiger, Ernie Borgnine, all the great characters.

01:04:51.53
Clifton Campbell
Yep, we got you.

01:04:53.25
Daniel Roebuck
All right, pal.

01:04:54.42
Clifton Campbell
Thanks, buddy.

01:04:54.68
Daniel Roebuck
Have a great day. Thank you.

01:05:19.82
Marty Ketola
Did I come? OK, so you you all finished?

01:05:33.11
Marty Ketola
Oh, my stream. Yeah. OK, well, at least he's got that at the ending, at least.

01:06:35.07
Marty Ketola
Okay, I'll stay on this time.

01:07:13.75
Marty Ketola
Mad monster party.

01:07:23.81
Marty Ketola
Well, at least it looks like he's got this connection.

01:07:44.98
Marty Ketola
Fucking Cox Cable, you can't be doing this show on Saturday afternoon to me, man.

01:07:51.13
Marty Ketola
Well, at least he got to finish it. Mm-hmm.

01:08:15.73
Marty Ketola
that's cool at least look glad that i approve to say Hey, my internet goes out, you keep going.

01:09:22.69
Marty Ketola
Internet, are you going to this crap, man? Really?

01:10:02.02
Marty Ketola
Well, at least we got the episode. What bummer, though.

01:10:28.59
Marty Ketola
It's 530 in the freaking afternoon. You can't turn the internal butt off right now.

01:14:42.18
Marty Ketola
Give me my fucking internet back. For fuck's sake, man. I'm the middle of this and you're gonna fucking destroy one of our better episodes.

01:14:54.23
Marty Ketola
Fucking so late.

01:15:32.27
Marty Ketola
Come on.

01:16:51.92
Marty Ketola
You motherfucker. Come on.

01:17:01.76
Marty Ketola
No.

01:17:17.14
Marty Ketola
God damn it. Will you fucking hook the fucking internet back up?

01:17:26.20
Marty Ketola
Un-fucking-believable, man!

01:17:58.49
Marty Ketola
Don't you dare abort. Damn it.

01:18:05.68
Marty Ketola
Why does fucking internet have to go out?

01:18:10.78
Marty Ketola
You be fucking shitting me with this.

01:18:48.57
Marty Ketola
Okay, reconnected.

01:19:02.23
Marty Ketola
i know. i didn't... I haven't touched anything, so

01:19:35.16
Marty Ketola
I wouldn't even know where that would be.

01:19:44.12
Marty Ketola
I see you storage, unknown, local backup.

01:19:54.71
Marty Ketola
Well, it's it's it's acting like it's recording right now. It's saying it on recording.

01:20:05.59
Marty Ketola
Yeah.