The Primevals and D.C. Cab with Bobby LePire - Talking Pondo

 In this episode, Clif and Marty welcome special guest Bobby LePire for a double feature that goes from chaotic 1980s comedy to long-lost stop-motion sci-fi. Bobby brings along the movie The Primevals. Marty and Clif give Bobby the movie D.C. Cab to watch.

First up is D.C. Cab, Joel Schumacher's first feature as a director. Clif, Marty, and Bobby try to make sense of a movie that feels like five different comedies stitched together with duct tape, cocaine, and a flamethrower. The conversation covers Mr. T, Gary Busey and how this bizarre train wreck somehow became a cult favorite and commercial success overseas. 

Then they head into the mountains with The Primevals, the decades-in-the-making fantasy adventure featuring Yetis, aliens, stop-motion creatures, and enough practical effects to make old-school genre fans very happy. The gang discusses the movie's fascinating production history and whether this passion project was worth the wait. 

Along the way, Hamburger University becomes an actual topic of conversation, Poland's apparent love affair with DC Cab gets investigated and the phrase "interesting train wreck" gets repeated for a reason.

Transcript

00:00:00.06
Clifton Campbell
One. All right, Marty, that's us.

00:00:02.85
Marty Ketola
Rondo Montana starts a cab company will not be seen this week, so we may shock the monkey.

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Clifton Campbell
Don't you know you're going to shock the monkey?

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Clifton Campbell
Is there a yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

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Marty Ketola
Well, we're we're back. It's another episode of Talking Pondo. I'm i'm Marty.

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Clifton Campbell
That's right. I'm Cliff.

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Marty Ketola
And we're back with ah another guest episode this week.

00:00:34.58
Clifton Campbell
Super excited. Super excited.

00:00:35.54
Marty Ketola
oh You've read today's guest reviews on Film Threat. It's Bobby LaPierre. Doing well.

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Bobby LePire
Hi, how are you guys

00:00:43.22
Clifton Campbell
Hey, thanks. Thanks so much coming on our tiny little podcast. We appreciate you.

00:00:47.48
Marty Ketola
Our gigantic podcast, Cliff.

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Bobby LePire
Thanks for having me.

00:00:49.60
Marty Ketola
It's huge.

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Clifton Campbell
Massive. Huge. Huge.

00:00:53.14
Marty Ketola
It's like the the Yeti. It's gigantic. ah But what movies are we watching today, Cliff? Or did watch, we're going talk about, I should say.

00:01:02.97
Clifton Campbell
ah So we're going to talk about this is an interesting mix. So we've been trying to give DC cab out to somebody for a while and Bobby took the bait on that one. So we got him ha fished in and then he gave us the prime evals, which I have a few notes on.

00:01:14.32
Bobby LePire
Okay.

00:01:15.03
Marty Ketola
Is that what that was?

00:01:18.11
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:01:20.93
Clifton Campbell
I have a few notes on that movie. I have I have some things to say.

00:01:24.82
Marty Ketola
It was a movie I realized that I knew what it was about halfway through. I'm like, is this the movie that, and well, you know, we'll get into it, but it turned out I was right. It was that movie.

00:01:34.64
Clifton Campbell
Hmm.

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Marty Ketola
So we do have a little bit of listener mail.

00:01:40.41
Clifton Campbell
Sweet.

00:01:41.69
Marty Ketola
The first one was on our episode with Robert Kurtzman and Marcy King from a few weeks back. where we got to talk to them about, you know, the recent work on scary movie six and the, uh, independent movie marshmallow.

00:01:59.80
Marty Ketola
And, uh,

00:02:00.95
Clifton Campbell
And the other movie, Fuck My Son, that they love love love to talk about playing only in theaters.

00:02:03.22
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, that's right. Playing only in theaters. Apparently that one will never be on video because of its title, I guess.

00:02:10.94
Clifton Campbell
I would imagine so.

00:02:10.72
Marty Ketola
ae

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Marty Ketola
Dylan J. Schlender, of all people, writes in and says, fantastic conversation, very enjoyable. So he did like that one.

00:02:22.16
Bobby LePire
Oh, Schlinzo.

00:02:22.28
Clifton Campbell
Ah. Schlenzo.

00:02:24.54
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:02:25.05
Clifton Campbell
Good. Yeah, that's a great episode. Bob and Marcy are ah really great people and they had a lot of good stuff to say, a lot of fun stories.

00:02:31.28
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:02:33.20
Clifton Campbell
Oh, you can listen to those two for hours because they'll just they'll just keep telling you great stories.

00:02:35.29
Marty Ketola
right

00:02:37.82
Marty Ketola
I know it's not our typical format where we sit around and listen to two movies, or talk about two movies, which is what most of the listeners seem to enjoy, but by all means, if you haven't heard that one, go back and listen to it, because I think you'll find that it does feel like one of our regular episodes, we just don't have two particular movies to talk about, but we talk about a ah variety of different films on that one.

00:03:02.55
Marty Ketola
We have another piece of mail for that one too from a somebody named Eerie Fishy. You got to love some of these names that people make up online here.

00:03:11.18
Clifton Campbell
eerie fishy.

00:03:11.40
Marty Ketola
don't you be like, that's my real name.

00:03:11.84
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:03:12.99
Marty Ketola
I just finished that episode and really enjoyed it. So other people liked it as well.

00:03:17.82
Clifton Campbell
Sweet. Good. Good. I hope I really hope they enjoy that episode. so it's ah It was again, a really a big thrill to have them on.

00:03:21.88
Marty Ketola
Yeah, it was fun.

00:03:24.42
Clifton Campbell
So

00:03:26.26
Marty Ketola
And let's see here. So usually we like to let the guests pick the first movie we talk about today.

00:03:33.61
Clifton Campbell
that's right. Bobby, what you want to talk about first?

00:03:37.14
Bobby LePire
I think we're gonna do DC Cab first because it was released first.

00:03:43.00
Clifton Campbell
I like it. All right, let's do it. DC cab. Oh boy. Here we go. um I saw this in the theater, by the way.

00:03:49.98
Marty Ketola
Wow.

00:03:51.03
Clifton Campbell
When I was 10, I saw this in theater. i so I told my mom I was going to see something else and I snuck into the theater to see this.

00:03:56.38
Marty Ketola
Well, that makes more sense than somebody took you to it.

00:03:59.99
Clifton Campbell
No, no, nobody took me. No. A lot of the rated R movies I saw back then, would just basically went to like, you know, it was one of those where it was just like, I'm just going to the movie. But anyways, okay. DC cab. Should I read the description here?

00:04:14.36
Marty Ketola
Yeah, what is this movie that makes 1941 seem almost most comprehensible? What is Yeah.

00:04:19.48
Bobby LePire
ah

00:04:21.18
Clifton Campbell
That's the truth. DC cab, 1983 rated R one hour, 40 minutes. All right, here's log line. The misadventures of a group of unfortunate, but streetwise cabbies working for a Washington DC decrepit taxi cab company.

00:04:34.55
Clifton Campbell
This is directed by the world famous Joel Schumacher written by Topper Carew and Joel Schumacher starring Max, Max Gale, Adam Baldwin of a Firefly fame and Mr. T.

00:04:47.20
Clifton Campbell
Let's see your storyline here. the tale of a hapless group of cabbies and a run-down cab company owned by harold comes to town with a dream of starting his own cab company but needs to motivate harold's employees to want to make something out of themselves it is only when albert is kidnapped that the cabbies must decide whether or not they are loyal to albert and his cause

00:05:08.73
Marty Ketola
What?

00:05:09.78
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's it it's basically the it's it's basically like the the the easiest skeleton that you can throw bits onto.

00:05:09.62
Marty Ketola
ah

00:05:17.21
Marty Ketola
come home Right.

00:05:18.62
Clifton Campbell
Like just it's just bit after bit. And and I'll say this. If you want to know why people think that um Gary Busey is crazy, then you should watch this movie, because this is this is this is this is I'm willing to bet this is kind of what Gary Busey is like on a day to day basis.

00:05:28.15
Marty Ketola
oh He is crazy in this. Mm

00:05:35.58
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:05:35.77
Marty Ketola
hmm.

00:05:36.14
Clifton Campbell
Like. you know What's the worst thing about oral sex? The View. and you're like, that's Gary Busey all day long right there.

00:05:44.31
Marty Ketola
you know I blame it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world for eventually trickling down to things like this.

00:05:45.25
Bobby LePire
What?

00:05:51.93
Marty Ketola
ah Oh, gee, where to even begin? this is his first movie.

00:05:57.66
Clifton Campbell
could start with we but We could start with smacking Joel Schumacher across the face.

00:06:00.54
Marty Ketola
well there's just this first movie

00:06:00.86
Clifton Campbell
I mean, that would be a good...

00:06:03.26
Marty Ketola
And he was a costume designer before he was a film director. So that kind of makes sense a little bit because of how showy this movie is. But I look at it as that forgettable first album.

00:06:14.11
Marty Ketola
Back when a they'd give you a few albums to figure out your craft, to figure out what you were doing.

00:06:15.38
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:06:19.62
Marty Ketola
And he did figure it out. He started making really solid movies as he went on. But here is the... oh my, people like to talk about cocaine as a hell of a drug and what it does and it makes people crazy. But this is maybe one of the best examples of what it truly does. And what is that? Well, it makes you just want to get from point A to point B without really caring much about what you're doing in the interim. Oh, did we get that shot? Good. Okay.

00:06:46.39
Marty Ketola
Was it funny? It don't matter. Just go on.

00:06:48.12
Clifton Campbell
here just I don't know.

00:06:47.93
Marty Ketola
Okay. Okay. thing okay

00:06:49.52
Clifton Campbell
Let's go. Let's keep going.

00:06:49.69
Marty Ketola
have a course of the a

00:06:50.24
Clifton Campbell
We have with a lot lot to do today. lot to do today.

00:06:51.80
Marty Ketola
You go over here, you do the thing, love bla blah, blah, blah, blah. And so that's what you end up with.

00:06:54.95
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Okay. Why isn't Mr.

00:06:56.36
Marty Ketola
this

00:06:56.96
Clifton Campbell
T on top of the cab holding the baseball bats?

00:06:58.52
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:06:58.76
Clifton Campbell
He should be on top of the cab holding the baseball bats. Why isn't he doing that? Let's get him on top of the cab holding the baseball bats.

00:07:03.16
Marty Ketola
And so you're left with this thing that feels almost like an assembly cut. Like, is there a finished version of this movie somewhere with like some or coverage or it it is a bizarre anomaly though.

00:07:10.13
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:07:15.91
Clifton Campbell
It tries so hard to be animal house wacky, right?

00:07:20.16
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:07:21.05
Clifton Campbell
Like it tries to like, you know, you know I've got a flamethrower and that's how I light my fireplace. Ha ha ha. You know, it tries so hard to be wacky, but it's Bobby.

00:07:27.06
Marty Ketola
the whom

00:07:32.17
Clifton Campbell
What you think?

00:07:33.27
Bobby LePire
It's Kentucky Fried movie with more of a plot.

00:07:37.19
Marty Ketola
Yes.

00:07:37.72
Clifton Campbell
ah awkward

00:07:38.14
Bobby LePire
um Not that it's as funny as that is, but that's what it's trying to be.

00:07:39.32
Clifton Campbell
That's it. That's no. Yeah.

00:07:43.10
Bobby LePire
um

00:07:43.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:07:44.18
Bobby LePire
There are things I really, really like about this movie, and I do think Joel Schumacher overall is a bit underrated because when he makes bad films, they're truly terrible, but he's made so many good movies, and I think people forget that.

00:07:57.41
Clifton Campbell
Very true.

00:07:58.38
Bobby LePire
um This film...

00:07:58.55
Clifton Campbell
Very true.

00:08:01.77
Bobby LePire
feels like it's five different kinds of comedies rolled into one and it can't figure out which one it actually wants to be.

00:08:05.17
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:08:10.74
Bobby LePire
Is it the weird underdog tale of this DC cab company being put upon by the government employee guy in charge of closing cab companies? i I'm not even sure what that guy's role actually is.

00:08:25.88
Bobby LePire
um Is it this tale of a guy reconnecting with his um ah father's friends that helped raise him after the father's passing?

00:08:35.90
Clifton Campbell
Right, right, right.

00:08:37.74
Bobby LePire
Is it a romance? Is it a political thriller?

00:08:40.57
Clifton Campbell
is

00:08:41.90
Bobby LePire
Like, what is the the the last 20 minutes or however long that story?

00:08:42.62
Clifton Campbell
Is it a sex comedy? What is this?

00:08:48.90
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:08:50.55
Bobby LePire
Everything involving the kidnapping a takes place.

00:08:52.54
Clifton Campbell
It just, it becomes so frantic.

00:08:54.02
Bobby LePire
is so It's so misguided. It's also some of the most interesting things going on in the film because it's fascinating that they thought they should take it in this direction.

00:09:07.26
Bobby LePire
And I think that's the best way to describe the movie. a DC Cab is

00:09:15.38
Bobby LePire
always interesting. i don't know that it's ever good, though.

00:09:21.59
Clifton Campbell
So internationally, this film was a major hit. um this is This was the highest grossing comedy of all time in Poland.

00:09:24.54
Marty Ketola
Really?

00:09:30.62
Clifton Campbell
And this is with this one this one best comedic picture in Turkey.

00:09:31.19
Bobby LePire
high

00:09:35.22
Clifton Campbell
So I don't know what the fuck Joel did, but he he hit on some he hit on some themes and some visuals that obviously played well. i um I would even imagine they were like, hey, change the script a little bit when you do the translations.

00:09:46.42
Clifton Campbell
Make it a little more funny. We learned this or than that from it. But...

00:09:49.17
Marty Ketola
You haven't seen it unless you've seen it in the Polish language.

00:09:50.52
Clifton Campbell
This thing was a fucking hit. Yeah, you haven't seen it. If you haven't seen it in its native Polish, you haven't really truly seen the movie and enjoyed it. If

00:09:57.88
Marty Ketola
Ours is like a bad translation. Yeah.

00:10:01.30
Clifton Campbell
you haven't seen Mr. T in his native Polish, you're really missing out.

00:10:02.81
Bobby LePire
The English dub is amazing. What can I say?

00:10:05.19
Clifton Campbell
Oh, fuck. So good. um That's yeah. So 1983 and Myrna's talking about her entitlement, what she's entitled to. All right. This is 1983. I don't remember anybody when I was 10 years old talking about what they were fucking entitled to. Yet here or she is talking about her entitlements. I thought it was hilarious.

00:10:23.04
Clifton Campbell
Now, even back then, that stuff is starting to sneak in, you know, all the entitlements, you know, which, of course, is.

00:10:25.93
Bobby LePire
Uh-huh, actually.

00:10:29.59
Clifton Campbell
sort of you know railroaded and taken somewhere else later, but I thought that was hilarious. The movie's super confusing. ah murni so So here's this violin that's worth a half a million dollars. We run around like crazy people trying to find the violin, right? Then we find the violin, but the guy can't remember whose cabbie found it in So we end up getting the money, and the money comes to the wife, who then locks everybody out of the house and threatens everybody with a flamethrower so she can keep the money.

00:11:00.34
Clifton Campbell
And then yet Adam Baldwin's got $6,000 and that's how they end up painting all the cabs and getting all the t-shirts and the signs. And it's like, it it's just, it doesn't make any sense to me.

00:11:13.71
Clifton Campbell
It's like if even $6,000, it's not going to rehabilitate a fucking cab company.

00:11:13.48
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:11:18.19
Clifton Campbell
Like what are we doing here?

00:11:21.43
Bobby LePire
Are you looking for logic? Because that doesn't exist here.

00:11:23.61
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. I I'm always looking for a little internal logic. Yeah.

00:11:28.57
Bobby LePire
No, wrong with me for that.

00:11:29.66
Clifton Campbell
My bad.

00:11:33.18
Marty Ketola
Yeah, this is we're back in that time period of what I call the Jackie Martling era of humor, where we're between 78 and 82, the time period where Jerry Lewis was making things like hardly working. And it's like, see, it's funny. It's a joke. Why aren't you laughing?

00:11:51.70
Marty Ketola
And so this feels like more Coke-fueled humor made for my grandparents, I think. It was some of that last vestige of it. That's why I say I blame the it's a mad, mad, mad world, because then we end up with, you know, Cannonball Run.

00:12:08.38
Marty Ketola
which this is still kind of aping a little bit of that kind of goofiness.

00:12:11.63
Bobby LePire
yeah

00:12:13.21
Marty Ketola
a Car Wash, which does it right about four years prior, and not to mention the TV show Taxi,

00:12:15.64
Clifton Campbell
Car wash is a good call.

00:12:22.42
Marty Ketola
But there's a whole series of movies that really don't make any sense from this time period that it reminded me of. ah Going Berserk with John Candy.

00:12:33.46
Clifton Campbell
Oh, Jesus.

00:12:33.30
Marty Ketola
That one doesn't make a lick of sense. ah Jekyll and Hyde, Together Again, more coke-fueled nonsense. Young Doctors in Love, another perfect example. The Friday's TV show.

00:12:47.00
Marty Ketola
And to a lesser degree, much later on, we get things like Pineapple Express that suddenly turn into a weird caper towards the end, much like this one does.

00:12:54.71
Clifton Campbell
I would, I would, I would throw in stuff like on the right track and maybe silver streak as being very Coke fueled.

00:12:58.58
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah. You remember a movie called Gas?

00:13:02.20
Clifton Campbell
Sure.

00:13:02.78
Marty Ketola
Yeah, that was another one.

00:13:04.10
Bobby LePire
Is that one with like five S's in it?

00:13:03.98
Marty Ketola
and

00:13:06.52
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:13:06.30
Marty Ketola
hu

00:13:07.43
Bobby LePire
Yep. Yep. Okay.

00:13:08.57
Marty Ketola
And so I'm just left with this movie that's, oh, God.

00:13:10.02
Clifton Campbell
Hamburger. The motion picture is an excellent example too. Like that's this.

00:13:12.98
Marty Ketola
But this one, it's so unique.

00:13:13.94
Bobby LePire
What is hamburger the motion picture and why do I want dinner right now?

00:13:15.90
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:13:16.45
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:13:18.39
Clifton Campbell
You don't you you've never seen hamburger the motion picture.

00:13:21.35
Bobby LePire
I've never heard of hamburger the motion picture.

00:13:21.43
Marty Ketola
And hot dog.

00:13:23.39
Bobby LePire
What?

00:13:24.24
Clifton Campbell
It's it's about this dude who goes to a hamburger college. Apparently the McDonald's it's a McDonald's and there's a college so you so you can learn to manage him and and run a franchise.

00:13:36.79
Clifton Campbell
And so he goes to hamburger university and it's basically like. <unk>t know like revenge of the nerds or one of those things it's like a college with all the pranks and the fraternity stuff while you're learning like police academy and and that type of thing and then you know like at one point they actually run like a real store and they're fucking it up real bad and bikers come in and they refuse the service and the place gets trashed it's fucking it's insane and dick buck dick buckus is in it for fuck's sake he's the he's the leader of the of the college who's trying to

00:13:44.22
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:13:45.74
Bobby LePire
Mm-hmm.

00:14:07.15
Clifton Campbell
He's trying to, you know, oust a couple of the guys because they're just, you know, too cocky to to run a franchise. It's fucking insane. You haven't seen Hamburger, the motion picture?

00:14:13.11
Marty Ketola
Wow.

00:14:14.91
Clifton Campbell
But

00:14:15.35
Marty Ketola
no And yet I'm sure it makes more sense than this movie. This movie...

00:14:19.93
Clifton Campbell
it makes about as much sense. It really does. They make about as much sense. They're just internal logic is so thin on them that they're just barely tied.

00:14:26.58
Marty Ketola
It's like there's there's no center to DC Cab.

00:14:27.46
Clifton Campbell
They're but barely tied together. Mm-mm.

00:14:31.34
Marty Ketola
It's kind of incoherent and inaccessible, I think is the word. Where I'm left going... Was that funny? Was that plot? I don't know.

00:14:42.30
Marty Ketola
i can't i can't grasp on. And the movie's not giving me any entry point. It just keeps on moving. And I'm like, okay.

00:14:49.56
Bobby LePire
We should be slightly fair to DC Cab. At least it's not slapstick of another kind, which is the bottom barrel of comedy. This at least has moments that are funny.

00:15:01.50
Bobby LePire
Some of the actors do work here. Adam Baldwin, not the best acting job, but he's charming and easy to root for as the ostensible lead.

00:15:11.22
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, he's fine. Yeah.

00:15:12.67
Bobby LePire
Mr. T is always just an interesting presence.

00:15:16.54
Clifton Campbell
I wonder, um what do you,

00:15:17.11
Bobby LePire
Lapsing of another kind is abhorrent in every way.

00:15:20.66
Clifton Campbell
yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think that Mr. T made him write in all the shit about get the kids away from the drugs and, yeah, where he's like, that's, you know, you got to put that in if I'm going to be in the thing, you know, definitely, definitely.

00:15:26.04
Bobby LePire
Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yes.

00:15:32.82
Bobby LePire
Yeah. No, no, definitely did.

00:15:33.37
Marty Ketola
A good companion piece too.

00:15:34.50
Bobby LePire
um Which does just raise the question why the Mr. T characters with DC cap who are just...

00:15:41.34
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:15:43.32
Bobby LePire
situated to be these low lives the entire movie, it doesn't make sense that that's who we would work for as opposed to the ah the the Lime Cab or whatever the other company is called.

00:15:45.46
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:15:48.92
Clifton Campbell
Yes, exactly.

00:15:54.99
Clifton Campbell
andord Emerald city, cat Emerald cabs.

00:15:56.41
Bobby LePire
it well that That's it, yes, yes.

00:15:58.04
Clifton Campbell
Yes. Yeah. Emerald cabs who have their shit together, pay their bills, get to get to go to the airport and give taxi rides, all the good stuff, you know?

00:16:01.72
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:16:05.18
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:16:05.80
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:16:05.94
Bobby LePire
It raises some very interesting questions. um But within each plot, if you will, of DC Cab. um There's always something to grasp onto.

00:16:19.51
Bobby LePire
The movie never follows up on it, which is its biggest, and nothing ever connects to it.

00:16:21.63
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:16:23.95
Bobby LePire
This is not a movie of one scene is the consequence of the scene before it.

00:16:23.91
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:16:29.46
Bobby LePire
This is a movie of and then.

00:16:32.18
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:16:32.28
Bobby LePire
something happens and we move on. But there's always something interesting going on. And therefore I can't say I hate watching DC cab.

00:16:38.52
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:16:41.47
Bobby LePire
It's a fascinating thing.

00:16:42.95
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:16:43.83
Bobby LePire
Um, um, the, the, when, uh, um Max gets to Harold and he ah that introduction of like Harold's like you're this guy and like pointing at like i i knew you when you were like you know knee high to a grasshopper and um ah Adam Albin does this fun thing with now I'm this tall that's kind of cute and funny and like it establishes their bond that they already had pretty well which leads to some other scenes with ah at Harold's house the flamethrower thing which is

00:17:02.78
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:17:07.35
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah. He's like, no, I'm here now.

00:17:21.30
Bobby LePire
goes on way too long. I'd be okay with it if it was the one time, but they do it like five times in the one scene.

00:17:27.53
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:17:27.62
Bobby LePire
It's what is happening.

00:17:27.93
Marty Ketola
ah

00:17:30.65
Clifton Campbell
Look, we got the flamethrower. We're going to fucking use it. All right? I don't care.

00:17:34.39
Marty Ketola
whom

00:17:34.89
Clifton Campbell
It's production value.

00:17:35.84
Bobby LePire
It's

00:17:36.76
Clifton Campbell
Get the flamethrower.

00:17:39.21
Marty Ketola
It just seems like the odd shot selection and the weird framing almost like i in later movies you figure out how to do the beats right so you know where the funny is. This one is just kind of like sometimes there's just a long shot for five minutes where everybody's just going and then

00:17:51.86
Clifton Campbell
He's...

00:17:55.28
Clifton Campbell
He's definitely still figuring it it out.

00:17:55.26
Bobby LePire
Yeah, like when they're all jumping out the windows from that diner they always go to after discovering what the violin.

00:17:57.10
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:17:57.75
Marty Ketola
madam Right.

00:17:59.07
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:18:01.37
Bobby LePire
i have no clue what's happening in that scene. Like, I don't know where anybody is or where they're going.

00:18:06.84
Marty Ketola
I don't think they knew.

00:18:08.09
Bobby LePire
it's It's baffling.

00:18:13.16
Clifton Campbell
so you've got so you've got Bill Maher in this movie and you've got Paul Rodriguez so you've got you've got two comedians two really good comedians that really don't even really get to do much like there's

00:18:17.59
Marty Ketola
The Nexus.

00:18:24.01
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:18:24.38
Bobby LePire
But they're not, Bill Maher specifically, not an actor. Comedian, yes.

00:18:28.23
Clifton Campbell
no yes right

00:18:28.64
Bobby LePire
But he's never been an actor. To be fair to him, he's better in this movie, DC Cab, than Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Doom, in which he's truly terrible.

00:18:37.11
Marty Ketola
Oh, huh

00:18:42.37
Bobby LePire
It's one of the worst performances you'll ever ever see in the comedy a comedy. He's so miscast in that role. um But then he would go on and do things like, ah oh my God, the documentary.

00:18:53.33
Bobby LePire
He did about religion. ah i

00:18:55.78
Marty Ketola
religious?

00:18:56.98
Bobby LePire
that Yes, I couldn't remember what it was called.

00:18:57.08
Marty Ketola
Is that what it's called?

00:18:58.66
Bobby LePire
thing I love that movie. um So it's not that he's not talented. It's just that this doesn't work.

00:19:04.34
Clifton Campbell
no and and i i mean he's he's a funny guy and comedians have good comedic timing right and so it's a shame that he's not you know he and paul weren't given a little more than just kind of zany sort of bits to do you know what i mean there's a there's a moment where there's a moment where he's kind of playing the piano and he's kind of bitching about being a

00:19:16.25
Bobby LePire
Correct.

00:19:16.70
Marty Ketola
It so early for them. yeah

00:19:23.26
Clifton Campbell
good artist, but nobody gives a shit. And I thought that was kind of nice. And, you know, maybe throw some comedy in there. Right. But I don't know.

00:19:28.75
Bobby LePire
I

00:19:29.70
Clifton Campbell
I think I'm I agree with Marty. It feels like Schumacher is really trying to figure it out. Right. Like he's gotten his first kind of big directing job. He's got his first big script proved. And now he's kind of figuring out how to translate it into a visual language that he's going to do.

00:19:46.14
Clifton Campbell
Right. Which he got, like we all agree, he got much, much better at later on and and and created some pretty great stuff.

00:19:53.30
Bobby LePire
i mean, Tigerland is underrated and amazing.

00:19:59.61
Bobby LePire
which eight ultimately, this being a Schumacher movie, is why I wanted to talk about it, because it was directed by him. But if you think about his filmography, this is a weird outlier, where he's done comedies of sorts, like Flawless, but he's never done an outright madcap sort of thing aside from this.

00:20:10.76
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:20:20.38
Bobby LePire
And I think there's a reason his filmmaking sensibilities doesn't suit this. And I think that kind of shows through um shots, shot choice, coverage choice that have been brought up.

00:20:36.92
Bobby LePire
But also just in the imbalance of tone. Every scene wants to be funny, but every scene wants to be a different kind of funny.

00:20:47.80
Bobby LePire
And just because you're a comedy doesn't mean different kinds of funny can stack on top of each other.

00:20:52.76
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:20:53.58
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:20:53.94
Bobby LePire
You can do real witty, fun, verbal stuff like with Bill Maher. You can do real wacky physical gags. This is doing them both often in the same scene.

00:21:05.40
Bobby LePire
And that kind of causes confusion over trying to figure out what things meant to be funny, what things meant to advance whatever plot we're currently following, what things meant to advance character development, what very little there is, um and stuff like that.

00:21:20.89
Bobby LePire
um i have a question for you guys. the first time you saw this movie, did you have any idea where the political kidnapping came from or where it was going? Because it threw me for a loop.

00:21:36.60
Marty Ketola
I was surprised by it. But I just figured, oh, Washington, DC, somebody had an idea that, oh, we're in DC, let's do something political.

00:21:42.18
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:21:44.25
Marty Ketola
But I really check out in the last 20 minutes where I just i I was trying to pay attention, but it was really hard at that point.

00:21:48.82
Bobby LePire
It,

00:21:51.34
Bobby LePire
It's the weakest part of the movie is the ending, which is unfortunate because that's what people be remembering you for.

00:21:52.64
Marty Ketola
Mm

00:21:53.77
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:21:58.51
Marty Ketola
hmm.

00:21:58.96
Bobby LePire
And there are these little gems of promise or interest happening throughout that.

00:21:58.90
Marty Ketola
Mm

00:22:02.41
Marty Ketola
hmm.

00:22:03.94
Bobby LePire
But then this whole section happens and I'm like, I've, I, it's easy to do now because it's not as compelling, even if nothing else before it made sense.

00:22:14.47
Bobby LePire
There was something weirdly compelling about it. Like, um, Is it Tyrone who takes Albert to the airport and just goes off on him?

00:22:24.50
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:22:25.69
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:22:25.82
Bobby LePire
That's actually a really like dialogue issues aside.

00:22:28.44
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. he When he takes his, takes his wig off and all that.

00:22:29.86
Bobby LePire
That's that. Yeah. That's actually a really like a dramatic, interesting moment in the midst of all this comedic chaos. And we abandoned all of that interest for this thing.

00:22:43.79
Bobby LePire
It's,

00:22:47.06
Bobby LePire
It's so strange. And yet this was the highest grossing comedy in Poland?

00:22:53.05
Clifton Campbell
yes won an award for best comedy in Turkey.

00:22:57.40
Marty Ketola
who he made it for. right

00:22:59.32
Bobby LePire
Why are they smoking over there?

00:22:59.42
Clifton Campbell
It's, you know, some, some, some things are universal, man. Some things are universal. You know, you hit the right themes and the French love him.

00:23:04.79
Marty Ketola
Well, it's like Jerry Lewis is a genius in France. And like I was saying, this is still of that type of goofy last of that madcap movies before the eighties would kick in.

00:23:09.02
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Speaking of

00:23:15.04
Bobby LePire
But Jerry Lewis proved he could do be funny and suave.

00:23:15.40
Clifton Campbell
speaking,

00:23:16.94
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:23:20.01
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:23:21.35
Bobby LePire
That's the whole point of the original Naughty Professor.

00:23:21.59
Marty Ketola
That's true.

00:23:23.31
Bobby LePire
like There was something to it. Here, what does the audience latch onto aside from maybe a line they laughed at or a visual gag that was funny?

00:23:26.30
Marty Ketola
Mm hmm.

00:23:32.02
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:23:35.83
Clifton Campbell
i think I think it's the visuals. I think more than anything, you know, the the goofy sort of, like one of my things about this movie, like the minute the, I i don't remember it being in theater and thinking this when I was a kid.

00:23:49.27
Clifton Campbell
at the very, very, the first shot is a shot at ground level as a cab rolls over the camera lens, right? And we see, like, you could see the, yeah the drive shaft spinning and there's like yarn or wire wrapped around it, right?

00:23:55.56
Bobby LePire
Ooh.

00:24:03.59
Clifton Campbell
It's moving. And then there's, and then we could, by the time we get to the end of this fucked up, busted ass cab, we can see it's not a, it's not, whatever car we're looking that it's not in great shape. And then we see like, there's a light hanging down just on a bare wire.

00:24:15.74
Clifton Campbell
And then finally the cab itself. And we're in this kind of, alleyway and then suddenly he's being chased and there's all this stuff going on. And I remember thinking as a kid, like this is going to be really good.

00:24:26.03
Clifton Campbell
And it just it went into the toilet after that. It was just bam, you know, like it just got worse and worse and worse.

00:24:30.37
Marty Ketola
you

00:24:33.38
Clifton Campbell
And I do remember as a kid by the end of it, just going, this is crazy. Like this is one of these things where it's, it reminded me of animal house where by the end of it, we're just, we've pushed the guy out of the way.

00:24:44.74
Clifton Campbell
We've got the baton and we're leading the fucking, marching band into the alleyway where at the dead end, right? Like where it's just, it makes no fucking sense. And, but the Animal House did it. It was funnier, but it makes no sense that the other thing I'll say is that it, it reminds me of Mon Oncle with Monsieur Houlot in that, that also is people just screaming at each other.

00:25:05.85
Marty Ketola
It's more of that madcap

00:25:08.38
Clifton Campbell
It's, but it's that comedy where it's funnier if we just scream at at each other, let's spend 20 minutes screaming these lines at each other and it'll be funny, right?

00:25:08.79
Bobby LePire
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:12.97
Marty Ketola
thing.

00:25:16.88
Clifton Campbell
No, it's not funny. It's just people screaming at each other.

00:25:18.21
Marty Ketola
I don't even remember that.

00:25:19.66
Bobby LePire
That's fair. That's fair. um To be fair to DC Cab, there are two kinds of bad movies. The bad movies you never want to watch again and the bad movies you want to make fun of with other people.

00:25:28.12
Clifton Campbell
True.

00:25:31.00
Clifton Campbell
This is one of those.

00:25:31.38
Bobby LePire
he see This is definitely one of those, we're going to put it on, you're going to get a group of friends, and you're just going to laugh at the movie, not with the movie, but you can still have a good time.

00:25:31.84
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. For sure.

00:25:40.89
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:25:42.78
Bobby LePire
And I think that's why it has a weird cult following.

00:25:42.84
Clifton Campbell
Yes, I agree.

00:25:47.35
Bobby LePire
um

00:25:48.22
Clifton Campbell
It's got a weird rewatch ability.

00:25:49.02
Bobby LePire
Yep.

00:25:49.86
Clifton Campbell
If you like, like if you're, if you're a person that likes watching cinematic train wrecks, this is for you. This is right up your alley. Like if you're like no, I love that. I love when it doesn't fire and it's kind of weird and awkward and it it goes kind of crazy and off, you know, off the rails.

00:26:06.00
Clifton Campbell
1941 is a perfect example. Like Marty mentioned at the very beginning. It's if you like that kind of madcap sort of, holy shit, this movie went everywhere. You're going dig DC cab. It's right up your alley.

00:26:15.06
Bobby LePire
I don't know if this is a controversial statement, but I like DC Cab more than 1941.

00:26:20.06
Clifton Campbell
Mmm.

00:26:20.50
Bobby LePire
um

00:26:20.49
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:26:21.05
Clifton Campbell
That's...

00:26:21.05
Marty Ketola
Yeah, yeah.

00:26:22.23
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah.

00:26:22.23
Bobby LePire
um I think it has a firmer grasp of the environment in which the madcap comedy is happening, even if it still doesn't make sense where the characters are very flat, minus two people.

00:26:26.58
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:26:38.88
Bobby LePire
1941 can't even figure out when it's...

00:26:41.34
Clifton Campbell
That shit is insane.

00:26:42.94
Bobby LePire
did Despite the... the The year, the title being a year, it it can't figure out when it's happening.

00:26:51.01
Clifton Campbell
Mm hmm.

00:26:51.03
Bobby LePire
Does that make sense?

00:26:52.37
Clifton Campbell
That's it's it's too long. it can't. There's so many things wrong with that movie. It's not even funny.

00:26:57.82
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:26:58.33
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:26:58.62
Bobby LePire
Yeah, but this is what, 100 minutes long? And even though it's confusing and you tune in the last 20 minutes, again, it's hard to be bored until those last 20 minutes. Yeah.

00:27:08.02
Clifton Campbell
No, it's, there's always something weird going on. There's always something funny going on or something. i You know, Marsha Warfield, I'm pretty sure she sings one of the songs in this movie. I think she sings the opening, if if I'm not mistaken.

00:27:20.50
Marty Ketola
The soundtrack was more successful than the movie.

00:27:23.90
Clifton Campbell
Was it really?

00:27:23.86
Bobby LePire
That wouldn't surprise me. The soundtrack is, yeah, no, the soundtrack's really good, especially for that time and and stuff.

00:27:24.98
Clifton Campbell
that is that That doesn't surprise me at all.

00:27:31.98
Bobby LePire
Like, most of the songs hold up pretty well, especially with how they're used in the film.

00:27:32.59
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:27:36.70
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:27:37.94
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it wasn't like it was wasn't like we were listening to Go Tootsie Go from Tootsie or something's telling me it might be you from Tootsie, which Marty hated.

00:27:44.74
Marty Ketola
Well, that was a hit too.

00:27:47.38
Clifton Campbell
a

00:27:49.56
Bobby LePire
If I say I don't remember any of those songs, I haven't seen Coot-C in a thousand years.

00:27:49.69
Marty Ketola
ah

00:27:55.58
Bobby LePire
um What does that mean?

00:27:57.75
Clifton Campbell
we We did it for the podcast, so that's why we remember.

00:28:00.06
Bobby LePire
ah Did that movie age well at all?

00:28:00.95
Clifton Campbell
That's why we remember.

00:28:04.02
Clifton Campbell
To Marty, no. To me, it was fine.

00:28:06.53
Bobby LePire
Okay.

00:28:06.82
Clifton Campbell
it's It still had some problems, but he really, he struggled with it, if I remember correctly.

00:28:09.02
Marty Ketola
I just thought it was boring was the problem.

00:28:10.84
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:28:10.67
Marty Ketola
I was just like, oh, it's not.

00:28:11.77
Bobby LePire
Interesting.

00:28:12.92
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:28:13.24
Marty Ketola
At one time it seemed clever and I'm just kind of like, yeah, this seems like a sitcom episode, but you know.

00:28:18.36
Clifton Campbell
Well, I think, you know, i I think because the norms of society have come so far with that movie that it's like some of the things that are supposed to be outrageous or funny just are like, meh, I guess, you know, they're just kind of,

00:28:18.37
Bobby LePire
Gotcha.

00:28:31.26
Clifton Campbell
Whatever. But anyway, you got me.

00:28:33.30
Marty Ketola
For this movie, I'd have a couple more things.

00:28:36.25
Clifton Campbell
haven

00:28:36.10
Marty Ketola
This is a good companion piece to Repo Man.

00:28:39.87
Bobby LePire
Ooh, yes.

00:28:40.15
Marty Ketola
It's about the same year because he's learning how to you know repossess the cars and he's driving around learning how to, can I ride with you today in the cab and come out about the same time.

00:28:43.10
Clifton Campbell
Drive a cab. Okay. Sure. Sure.

00:28:49.62
Marty Ketola
So I thought that was kind of...

00:28:51.47
Clifton Campbell
That's what DC cab is missing is some fucking Harry Dean Stanton.

00:28:54.39
Marty Ketola
And Aliens.

00:28:56.54
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:28:57.46
Marty Ketola
It felt like kis

00:28:58.01
Bobby LePire
um

00:28:58.23
Clifton Campbell
Oh, we'll get that in the next movie.

00:28:59.90
Marty Ketola
It felt like a slightly slicker trauma movie in a way, DC Cab.

00:29:03.64
Clifton Campbell
Mmm. Oh, hate

00:29:05.78
Marty Ketola
And when you look at the movie Schumacher made before, then you look at the movie he made after, it's crazy to see the growth. Before this was The Incredible Shrinking Woman.

00:29:18.30
Marty Ketola
Another kind of goofy movie like DC Cab in a way. But after DC Cab, St.

00:29:22.81
Clifton Campbell
to buy.

00:29:24.85
Marty Ketola
Elmo's Fire. He's completely shifted gears and found the 80s.

00:29:26.65
Clifton Campbell
Mmm.

00:29:29.64
Marty Ketola
He's in his decade, in his element now, and then he's off to the races.

00:29:33.75
Bobby LePire
Yes, that was ah Lily Tomlin, right?

00:29:35.96
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:36.57
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:29:37.69
Bobby LePire
Oh, man. I do remember that movie. It's been a minute.

00:29:41.18
Clifton Campbell
Been a long time. Yeah.

00:29:41.94
Bobby LePire
Going back to Repo Man, have you guys seen some of Alex Cox's more recent stuff, ah Tombstone Rashomon and stuff like that?

00:29:49.05
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:29:49.48
Bobby LePire
Wild.

00:29:49.30
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:29:51.96
Clifton Campbell
Why? Yes. Yes, I have. um

00:29:53.14
Marty Ketola
As matter of fact, yes.

00:29:54.23
Bobby LePire
Wild.

00:29:55.54
Clifton Campbell
Funny that you mentioned that one of our, one of our very, very, very good friends plays Doc Holliday in that movie.

00:30:01.50
Bobby LePire
I reviewed that movie for Film Threat.

00:30:02.73
Marty Ketola
That's, yeah.

00:30:03.99
Clifton Campbell
Nice. Nice.

00:30:04.55
Marty Ketola
Mm hmm.

00:30:04.83
Clifton Campbell
yeah Eric, Eric Schumacher is our, is our, our good buddy and producer and he plays.

00:30:06.46
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:30:08.87
Clifton Campbell
And in fact, one of our leads in our, in our last two films plays, um, one of the clan Clans.

00:30:13.30
Marty Ketola
Yeah, Bradford's hiding in there too. Yeah.

00:30:15.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:30:15.24
Marty Ketola
Mm hmm.

00:30:15.80
Bobby LePire
Nice. Nice.

00:30:16.89
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:17.72
Marty Ketola
Yeah, we'll have to bring that movie on the show at some point.

00:30:18.10
Clifton Campbell
And actually they have another film getting ready to come out. Alex has got another film getting ready to come out that, that Eric is in.

00:30:22.84
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:30:25.71
Clifton Campbell
So yeah, yeah.

00:30:26.13
Bobby LePire
Oh, awesome.

00:30:27.26
Marty Ketola
I'm pretty sure that can be revealed at this point because they finished shooting it.

00:30:27.77
Clifton Campbell
yeah That should be coming out. Yeah. Pretty soon. Yeah. I don't know the name of it or anything, or I'd tell you that, but.

00:30:32.28
Marty Ketola
Yeah. And there was one more kind of incoherent movie this reminded me of. You probably never heard of it. It's called Comic Book Diaries. It was our second movie.

00:30:44.49
Marty Ketola
Completely incoherent, and I feel like there might have been some DC cab influence mixed

00:30:50.93
Clifton Campbell
That's a good call. That's a good call. That's fucking hilarious. So $8 million dollars to make DC cab. It made 16. So we're what worldwide made 16.

00:30:59.85
Marty Ketola
know,

00:31:00.74
Bobby LePire
Yeah, yeah.

00:31:01.94
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:31:03.03
Clifton Campbell
you know, he, he did, he did 10 for incredible shrinking woman and it made 20. So he's, he's a director that at least in Hollywood is making profitable movies.

00:31:07.10
Marty Ketola
who

00:31:10.94
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:31:11.16
Bobby LePire
yeah yeah

00:31:11.22
Clifton Campbell
So that's why he's working back then. Cause back then you may make a shit movie, you go to director jail and you know, heard from him for 45 years, but yeah, You know, but yeah, you're right. And then he moves into, like you said, St.

00:31:22.16
Clifton Campbell
Emil's Fire, Lost Boys and Flatliners, and he's off and fucking running, you know.

00:31:25.16
Marty Ketola
Yeah, he's found his style at that point, his aesthetic, as the kids say nowadays.

00:31:30.07
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

00:31:36.11
Clifton Campbell
Well, what do you give it? So

00:31:38.78
Bobby LePire
What's the scale?

00:31:39.67
Marty Ketola
One to five?

00:31:40.35
Clifton Campbell
out of five. Out of five. Yeah.

00:31:41.72
Bobby LePire
Out of five? um

00:31:48.16
Bobby LePire
Entertainment value is pretty high, even though you're often laughing at it and not with it, and it's a comedy.

00:31:54.41
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:31:54.62
Bobby LePire
I would say as an actual movie, as as just how it's constructed, written, and all that good jazz, it's a two out of five.

00:31:59.76
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

00:32:01.92
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:32:04.92
Bobby LePire
But if we're looking at it as the, how much entertainment am I getting from watching it? It's probably a three and a half out of five, especially if you are, again, watching it with people, you're riffing it, you're um um kind of... um making up better lines than what they're saying or you're like ad-libbing lines that they should have said after somebody said something else to just kind of punch it up a little bit.

00:32:24.57
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:32:31.03
Bobby LePire
This movie probably needed just a little tighter editing and a little more punch up with the script. And they could have at least been actually funny all the time. Still weird and nonsensical, but like actually funny all the time as opposed to like on occasion that really clever thing happened and then it's a few jokes that are like, I don't know if that landed.

00:32:52.95
Clifton Campbell
So three and a half or two?

00:32:55.22
Bobby LePire
i I will split the difference and say three altogether.

00:32:58.87
Clifton Campbell
Three. Okay.

00:32:59.74
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:33:00.18
Clifton Campbell
I'm going, I'm definitely going to, uh, it's just a little shaky and a little creaky, uh, coming off the back of what is for me, one of the worst films as a kid I ever saw, which is the incredible shrinky woman.

00:33:02.01
Bobby LePire
All right.

00:33:12.16
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:33:12.47
Clifton Campbell
And it was on fucking HBO all the time for some reason. Uh, but no, he, he, I, like I said, he gets better and better and better. You can see him figuring it out in this movie.

00:33:20.95
Bobby LePire
Mm-hmm.

00:33:21.18
Clifton Campbell
ah But it's still like it's just it's script is rough. Gary Busey is a fucking menace in this thing. The guy who plays Tyrone is just screams at everybody throughout the entire picture.

00:33:32.94
Clifton Campbell
Apparently, this he was a comedian in Brooklyn, up and coming comedian. So I guess his his acting choice tool was to scream most of his lines that people would be angrier.

00:33:43.24
Bobby LePire
Mm-hmm. That makes a lot of sense.

00:33:44.54
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. ah you know, so, yeah, but overall though, there's some funny stuff in there. I agree with you. It's one of those movies though. Like it's, I've said this to Marty before, nostalgia wise, four stars. It's 83. It's so fucking eighties. It's not even funny.

00:34:00.70
Clifton Campbell
And there's a good, and there's a good, like, like you said, you can make fun of it, but as a movie, I'm not going to wreck it. I can't in good conscious recommend this to somebody. Like, like I can't say, Oh, you should, you should totally watch DC cab.

00:34:13.52
Clifton Campbell
You know, I, I,

00:34:14.07
Bobby LePire
No, I would recommend it at a bad movie party. I wouldn't recommend it just to watch it.

00:34:16.44
Clifton Campbell
Yes. It's the same with hamburger, the motion picture, right? I would never tell you that in like, Oh, you're going to, that's right up there with, you know, Godfather.

00:34:19.86
Bobby LePire
Okay.

00:34:24.20
Clifton Campbell
But if you want a bad movie, watch hamburger, the motion picture will wrap you in a wonderful blanket and put you to sleep. It's wonderful. It's, it's beyond terrible.

00:34:30.94
Bobby LePire
You do know as soon as we're done here, I'm going to watch that movie, right?

00:34:35.02
Marty Ketola
I forget about Hot Dog, the movie, because that's existing.

00:34:37.21
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Hot dog. The movie's not bad either, but that hamburger, the motion picture is. Hmm.

00:34:42.27
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:34:43.51
Clifton Campbell
Hmm. What do you got? What do you give it, Marty?

00:34:45.98
Marty Ketola
Well, you know, eventually Irene Cara did get paid royalties for her songs in this. It was a big legal battle. And then I noticed somebody else who was in fame was in this movie, too Weird crossover.

00:34:59.96
Marty Ketola
And, you know... that shrinking movie was on HBO a lot. And so was this, but I always missed this. I've never seen this movie before, like two days ago.

00:35:12.62
Clifton Campbell
Really?

00:35:12.98
Marty Ketola
Yeah. I thought I had, but I, turns out I had never seen it.

00:35:15.26
Clifton Campbell
What? No. i could have sworn we watched this with Dr. Detroit back in the day.

00:35:21.70
Marty Ketola
No, no memory at all, man.

00:35:22.01
Clifton Campbell
now and Wow, that's crazy.

00:35:24.89
Marty Ketola
And, and so,

00:35:25.38
Bobby LePire
Who voluntarily watched Dr. Detroit?

00:35:29.24
Clifton Campbell
This guy right here.

00:35:30.54
Bobby LePire
I'm so sorry.

00:35:30.74
Clifton Campbell
but songs With songs by Cutting Crew and Haircut 100. Absolutely.

00:35:34.18
Bobby LePire
I'm so sorry.

00:35:36.81
Clifton Campbell
That's this level.

00:35:36.66
Marty Ketola
And so there's there's no nostalgia for me.

00:35:37.49
Clifton Campbell
I mean, they're they're right there, it my opinion. I haven't seen Doctor Detroit in a while.

00:35:40.06
Bobby LePire
Oh, um.

00:35:41.66
Clifton Campbell
I haven't seen it a while. So, sorry.

00:35:42.78
Marty Ketola
so So there's no nostalgia for me.

00:35:43.22
Clifton Campbell
what was the

00:35:46.20
Marty Ketola
So I still think it's an and enjoy an interesting, enjoyable train wreck, but I give it one. Because it's bad.

00:35:54.71
Bobby LePire
Yes.

00:35:54.55
Marty Ketola
But it's still it's still interesting though, right? i you know It's got a lot of things going wrong with it, but there's still something where you're like, what? This is fascinating. I can't stop watching it, kind of.

00:36:04.50
Bobby LePire
That's why I i can't give it to one because it's fascinating. You can't stop watching.

00:36:07.06
Marty Ketola
yeah Right, right.

00:36:07.90
Bobby LePire
Like it's still doing something right because I want to keep watching it.

00:36:10.77
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:36:12.22
Bobby LePire
So a one is a one's for like the Transformers of the world where I'm like, screw you, Michael Bay, don't care, f off.

00:36:16.58
Clifton Campbell
you turn it off

00:36:16.44
Marty Ketola
a

00:36:20.32
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:36:20.59
Bobby LePire
This is bad, but it's like bad in such a unique, interesting way.

00:36:26.76
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:36:28.06
Bobby LePire
So I can't go one for just personally, but I get it.

00:36:29.53
Marty Ketola
Yeah. I understand that.

00:36:31.97
Bobby LePire
I get it.

00:36:32.46
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:36:32.69
Bobby LePire
You're not wrong.

00:36:33.72
Marty Ketola
ah

00:36:34.23
Bobby LePire
ah

00:36:35.51
Clifton Campbell
have we have we had it have we had any other films that were rko pictures on the fucking show before i can't even think

00:36:35.32
Marty Ketola
It just sat on my head a little bit. yeah

00:36:42.71
Clifton Campbell
Self, as I mean, either they're super, because RKO is usually super old or super rare at this point by the 80s.

00:36:42.85
Marty Ketola
Nah, I don't think we've done anything that far back.

00:36:48.27
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:36:49.11
Clifton Campbell
Like, anyway.

00:36:49.40
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:36:51.23
Clifton Campbell
all right. Well, that brings us to.

00:36:54.07
Marty Ketola
Yeah, Charlie Band production. It's funny because you brought us the Stuart Gordon film, and then he worked with Charlie and Richard and made Reanimator, and so now we've come out the other one here.

00:37:04.25
Bobby LePire
Oh yeah. That was unintentional.

00:37:07.78
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:37:08.90
Bobby LePire
Um, uh, but yeah.

00:37:09.78
Marty Ketola
but It's kind of fun.

00:37:11.06
Bobby LePire
okay

00:37:12.54
Marty Ketola
So what is this movie that reminded me a lot of Laser Blast, and it turned out Laser Blast was part of its history in a way. What is the Primaevols or Primaevols?

00:37:22.56
Clifton Campbell
The Primevals. prime The Primevals?

00:37:23.97
Marty Ketola
Primaevols?

00:37:25.02
Clifton Campbell
The Primevals? I'm going to say Primevals. I'm going to say Primevals.

00:37:28.81
Marty Ketola
I'm going to Big Yeti Gets Loose or something, but then it would have sounded too goofy if they would have called it that.

00:37:29.34
Clifton Campbell
The Primevals.

00:37:36.95
Clifton Campbell
The Primevals. The Primevals. 2023 not rated. One hour, 31 minutes. Here's your logline. When a group of explorers go in search of a Yeti, they find themselves taken captive by an ancient race of alien creatures.

00:37:48.15
Marty Ketola
As you do.

00:37:48.73
Clifton Campbell
Your so your storyline. It happens. The abominable snowman, the Yeti. Oh, my God, this is a long one guy stripping for centuries. His presence has been a speculation, but now his existence may be a reality.

00:38:01.21
Clifton Campbell
High in the Himalayas, a specimen has been found and he's been sent back to the United States for research. Leading the investigation is noted anthropologist Dr. Claire Collier, who has been studying the controversy of the Yeti for years.

00:38:12.79
Clifton Campbell
The autopsy reveals that the extraordinary creature whose ancestors date back perhaps millions of years underwent some sort of cranial surgery prior to its death. How is the mystery to be solved? Well, an exposition is the only way to find the answers. Collier teams up with Matt Connor, her former student and famous writer, Rondo Montana, a big ex an ex-Big Game Hunter, and Kathleen Rydell, one of Collier's former students and the guide for the journey. After several days of travel, the team is surprised by an avalanche.

00:38:42.84
Clifton Campbell
The ground caves in, dropping them into an ice cavern hundreds of feet beneath the ice. The four explorers find a way out of the cavern and, surprisingly, into a warm and lush isolated valley inhabited by unusual primables species. An occasional heat- emanating metal dome can be seen emerging from the soil.

00:39:00.31
Clifton Campbell
The aberration in the environment is obviously the work of some highly intelligent life form, which the researchers dare to find. Their suspicions are justified when the team find a remote cave and a hydroelectric system hidden inside, as well as the remains of an abandoned spaceship. The explorers are captured by the strange beings, half reptile, half man, brought about by years of mutation and the creatures have deadly plans for the humans unless they can find a way out. There you go. Wow. That was long.

00:39:25.24
Clifton Campbell
Thank you, gory Freddie for writing that.

00:39:28.54
Marty Ketola
That was very in-depth.

00:39:30.23
Clifton Campbell
But yeah, that's basically the movie. Um, it's, it's like journey to the center of the earth meets every early Ray Harry house and Hercules movie you've ever seen. um,

00:39:41.18
Marty Ketola
And it says its origins are as old as some of those.

00:39:44.41
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, ill I'll say this about the movie. First off, one of my first thoughts was it's a master class in practical effects and practical film shooting techniques. It's a fucking master class. If you want to watch a movie that really maximizes its practical effects and really figures out how to use rear projection, front projection screening, all these different techniques that it's using to to sell what it's doing.

00:40:09.23
Clifton Campbell
this is the movie for you to watch. It's really, really well made. It's really, really well made in that regard. um Other than that, it's some of the corniest shit I've seen in a while.

00:40:20.02
Clifton Campbell
It was fucking hilarious.

00:40:20.77
Marty Ketola
Well, it's supposed to be, you know, because it was a movie they were trying to make for like 50 years or something, and the guy passed in 99 who had done a lot of the work.

00:40:21.26
Clifton Campbell
I loved it. Yeah.

00:40:30.28
Marty Ketola
and I mean, Cliff, this is a Moe Henry movie.

00:40:31.35
Clifton Campbell
Makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:33.50
Marty Ketola
Well, partially, the negative cutter, because of how old the film is. that's It's just kind of crazy.

00:40:38.14
Clifton Campbell
it makes It makes sense. I mean, it it feels lost in the 60s and the 70s. It feels like, um like i said, like Journey to the Center of the Earth meets Land of the Lost.

00:40:43.05
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:40:48.12
Marty Ketola
Land of the Lost.

00:40:48.82
Clifton Campbell
You know what i mean? Yeah.

00:40:49.30
Marty Ketola
Yeah, Little Planet of the Apes-ish.

00:40:50.14
Bobby LePire
Yes.

00:40:50.68
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:40:51.42
Clifton Campbell
little planet of the apes in there, you know, uh, it just, and it also just keeps giving you a twist every 20 minutes. You're like, well, okay, it's this, no, no, no it's this, no no, no, no, it's this, you know, I mean, we go from yetis to the, by the end of it, we've got fucking mind altering laser rays run by half lizard people.

00:41:11.03
Clifton Campbell
You know, it's, it's fucking, it's wild.

00:41:11.64
Marty Ketola
And it's more coherent than DC Cab.

00:41:12.60
Bobby LePire
did dick

00:41:13.80
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:41:14.68
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. It's way more coherent. Yeah.

00:41:16.75
Marty Ketola
It's got crazier shit going on.

00:41:17.14
Bobby LePire
yes

00:41:18.03
Marty Ketola
It makes more

00:41:19.48
Clifton Campbell
I question none of the internal logic of this film at all the way I did DC Cabrera.

00:41:19.61
Bobby LePire
Yes. um

00:41:22.99
Bobby LePire
No.

00:41:23.60
Clifton Campbell
I'm like, wait a minute. Adam Baldwin has $6,000 fucking dollars. How in the fuck? This movie, I'm like, sure. Lasers that make Yetis fucking crazy. Like, i'm I'm all in.

00:41:34.14
Clifton Campbell
It makes complete sense to me.

00:41:34.04
Marty Ketola
So, and so Adam Baldwin would finance ah a trip to go find the Yeti with the six grand, right?

00:41:44.79
Bobby LePire
I want him to do that today. i would watch that movie. like But it's got to be Adam Baldwin.

00:41:48.73
Clifton Campbell
Oh, fuck, I'd watch that.

00:41:49.99
Bobby LePire
I don't want him as a character. i want Adam Baldwin to do it.

00:41:53.14
Clifton Campbell
Yes. No, no, no, totally. Yeah, yeah.

00:41:54.65
Bobby LePire
but

00:41:54.74
Clifton Campbell
I don't want the character what Bobby or whoever the fuck from BDC Cap. I want Adam Baldwin to do it. Absolutely.

00:42:00.59
Bobby LePire
Correct.

00:42:02.36
Clifton Campbell
Holy shit.

00:42:02.62
Bobby LePire
oh Part of what makes this movie so interesting is it is a 50-year passion project that ah writer co-writer, director David Allen had been working on kind of forever.

00:42:14.36
Clifton Campbell
It makes complete sense. Yeah.

00:42:16.15
Bobby LePire
Um, and he kept getting the funds and he would use all the money on these effects and they would dry up and then he would get more fun, use it all up and then so on and so forth to where good bulk of this movie is pure nineties, nostalgia of full moon.

00:42:16.32
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:42:40.04
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:42:40.47
Bobby LePire
And I'm a huge Full Moon fan, ah obviously.

00:42:41.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:42:45.60
Bobby LePire
um So this was just a blast from the past. Like, going to the rental store, picking up the silliest, cheesiest movie cover you could find and watching it and knowing Charles Band had something to do with it was always a delight.

00:42:50.33
Clifton Campbell
hu

00:43:01.74
Bobby LePire
um And this reminded me of when I really got excited by new Full Moon films. Because lately I feel like they've been leaning into the intentional schmalk more, and I don't mean that in a good way.

00:43:14.97
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. No, but there's a difference, there's a difference though.

00:43:17.56
Bobby LePire
oh

00:43:19.46
Clifton Campbell
Like, there's ah there is definitely, like, a... Sometimes when you...

00:43:22.75
Marty Ketola
There's no irony in this movie.

00:43:24.28
Clifton Campbell
No, yeah, exactly. it's some There's an earnestness to it, right, that sells the film, whereas you can feel the other when it's not there, in my opinion.

00:43:27.99
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:43:33.30
Bobby LePire
Correct.

00:43:34.20
Clifton Campbell
Like, where you're just like, oh, it's it's not...

00:43:34.17
Bobby LePire
Yes.

00:43:36.94
Clifton Campbell
It's not earnest. It's not trying to do its best and be with the best it can be. It's just trying to make money and trying to get me to watch it. Right. I don't know how else to put it. Anyway, sorry to interrupt

00:43:45.02
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:43:46.07
Bobby LePire
ah No, no, no. That's what this whole thing is. It's a movie debate. If we're not interrupting each other, i don't know if we're doing it right.

00:43:49.82
Clifton Campbell
you.

00:43:52.96
Clifton Campbell
That's true. That's true. Sure. But I agree with you.

00:43:56.41
Bobby LePire
yeah

00:43:56.86
Clifton Campbell
I know what you mean by the difference, though.

00:43:58.62
Bobby LePire
Yeah, it's just like, is the acting the best? not usually although um what's her name uh juliet mills as dr claire i thought did a really good job for the most part for the kind of movie this is um like very sincere and interesting later in the film um i think she sells um some of the mind-blowing scientific discoveries really in a, oh yeah, that's like, that's a human reaction to this sort of stuff ah that I liked a lot. ah But what's his name is Matt. Let's see. Richard Joseph Paul.

00:44:39.10
Bobby LePire
He's not bad. He's handsome enough. He's got okay skills.

00:44:43.56
Clifton Campbell
he's per

00:44:44.47
Bobby LePire
He's a little, yeah.

00:44:44.66
Clifton Campbell
I think he's perfect. like To me, he's perfect.

00:44:46.05
Marty Ketola
He's just doing the thing, yeah.

00:44:47.18
Clifton Campbell
He's he's that perfect like Harrison Ford adventure adventure type guy.

00:44:52.63
Marty Ketola
um

00:44:52.86
Clifton Campbell
He looks like ah like ah an adventure action figure that you would put in the mud and you know do whatever with. you know i mean he He just looks like a – he looks to me, he sells the part very very well, but also in a kind of a campy – perfectly primeval's B movie sort of way right that just it I thought it fits so perfectly I really thought it fit yeah exactly no no no no I agree with you yeah

00:45:09.61
Marty Ketola
He's got that Bruce Campbell face going whole time, though.

00:45:10.20
Bobby LePire
Yes. very like He's good looking enough and has just enough acting to make it all work. But like no one's going to say he wins awards. You know what I mean?

00:45:21.07
Bobby LePire
That's where I'm going with this. But like he... he makes you buy into this crazy world that we're introduced to where these yetis exist then these aliens exist and then these aliens stem from this and then that happened and then you know lasers that make yetis go crazy like like everybody kind of sells it and that

00:45:28.66
Clifton Campbell
exactly

00:45:46.84
Bobby LePire
The consistency of that over the decades it took to make is very interesting.

00:45:50.18
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:45:53.46
Bobby LePire
I don't know how to describe that or describe that in a way that makes sense to anybody but my own brain.

00:46:03.42
Clifton Campbell
it's it's it's what i mean the the movie's got a the listener if you don't know the movie's got a wild history of you know taking a long time to to to finish and the you know the director and the writer dying and this type of thing and um It's wild what they ended up completing, though, because to me it's like I don't know if you guys were you guys fans of like the Journeys of the Hercules type of Harryhausen type films. Did you enjoy those?

00:46:30.23
Clifton Campbell
Like I I I'm born in 73, see Star Wars in 77, 78. And for me at four and five, that's my standard for any kind of sci fi or or.

00:46:40.89
Clifton Campbell
journey So for me, when I see Harryhausen on on the UHF stations, I'm like, this is fucking garbage. Get this out of my face.

00:46:47.13
Bobby LePire
Oh.

00:46:47.25
Clifton Campbell
because Because it doesn't hold up to that special effects level of Star Wars.

00:46:50.33
Marty Ketola
You like Clash for the Titans though, right?

00:46:52.57
Clifton Campbell
I did like Clash the Titans because it it sold and because they used it sparingly in in a way that I felt sold.

00:46:57.76
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:46:58.53
Clifton Campbell
Right. But a lot of the Hercules stuff was so badly done that I get it as a kid. It's like it's like the the the the Godzilla monsters. If you like the rubber suit monsters, you're really you know, that that type of thing.

00:47:11.70
Clifton Campbell
You you'll dig it. You'll hate the new Godzilla because it's fucking CGI. Right. You where's my rubber suit monster?

00:47:18.14
Bobby LePire
Makes sense.

00:47:18.42
Clifton Campbell
oh

00:47:18.78
Bobby LePire
um I see what you're saying, but where do we're we're very different here.

00:47:19.70
Clifton Campbell
But for me, this is so much better than that stuff.

00:47:25.33
Bobby LePire
Where I'm a very casual Star Wars fan, it's fine.

00:47:25.94
Clifton Campbell
ah

00:47:29.96
Bobby LePire
It's okay. i don't Some of the movies are good.

00:47:31.45
Clifton Campbell
and

00:47:32.21
Bobby LePire
Some of the movies completely suck.

00:47:33.66
Marty Ketola
Thank you.

00:47:34.07
Bobby LePire
Whatever. To be fair to some the movies themselves, part of what turns me off is a lot of the more vocal fans...

00:47:42.42
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, oh yeah, sure.

00:47:42.52
Bobby LePire
just drives me insane. So i kind of stay out of that.

00:47:44.50
Clifton Campbell
Oh, the Phantom's terrible.

00:47:47.04
Bobby LePire
Whereas um The Seventh Voyager Sinbad, Sinbad, The Eye of the Tiger, 20 million years from ah ah from Earth.

00:47:47.32
Clifton Campbell
Sure.

00:47:51.48
Clifton Campbell
Right, right, same bad. Yeah, same bad.

00:47:57.02
Bobby LePire
um um

00:47:57.20
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:47:59.19
Bobby LePire
It came from beneath, ah oh my God, the giant octopus one. ah

00:48:05.24
Marty Ketola
Yeah, the C. Right. so That was called...

00:48:07.45
Bobby LePire
yeah a Yeah, it came from beneath the sea thank you.

00:48:07.44
Marty Ketola
C.

00:48:10.37
Marty Ketola
Yeah. Hmm.

00:48:11.31
Bobby LePire
um

00:48:11.86
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:48:12.31
Bobby LePire
um I grew up on all Harryhausen. Original King Kong, freaking...

00:48:16.28
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:48:18.72
Clifton Campbell
Richard King Kong was great, really well done.

00:48:19.83
Bobby LePire
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:20.90
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah.

00:48:21.03
Bobby LePire
um Original Mighty Jo Young, remake of Mighty Jo Young. um These, like, schlock special effects B-movies are what I was raised on, and i love them to death.

00:48:35.69
Clifton Campbell
Yeah,

00:48:35.86
Bobby LePire
So getting more of that in a... in a setting where even if everything else is so cheesy, the they took their time to get those effects so impressively right, so interesting, so detailed.

00:48:51.13
Clifton Campbell
yeah it was done so well.

00:48:52.38
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:48:52.89
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:48:56.55
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:48:56.60
Bobby LePire
um Like a lot of those ah alien reptile things, they are obviously all the same creatures, but they're not just duplicates of the same being.

00:49:08.35
Bobby LePire
Does that make sense? They're not just they're not identical. They all look slightly different somehow, which is awesome.

00:49:12.86
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:49:14.42
Bobby LePire
um The way the Yeti moves is really... um That's right.

00:49:17.88
Clifton Campbell
especially especially in the beginning, that they really, they seem to spend a lot of time on that first 10 minutes of the Yeti because they sell it and then you don't get any more effect for a while.

00:49:28.58
Clifton Campbell
It takes 20 or 30, 40 minutes and then it starts to come in with more more and more effects and and so on.

00:49:29.33
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:49:31.86
Bobby LePire
Correct.

00:49:34.33
Clifton Campbell
and And then by the time you're you know you're surrounded by all of them in the giant arena, you're like, okay, it's a little bit, the quality's just dropped just a touch, but it's still really selling. It's still really working.

00:49:44.31
Marty Ketola
And some of the smoothest stuff, you know.

00:49:44.57
Bobby LePire
Yes. Yes.

00:49:46.68
Clifton Campbell
It's, it's some of the smoothest stop motion I've ever seen. i mean, ever, ever.

00:49:50.08
Bobby LePire
It

00:49:51.26
Clifton Campbell
And that's what I'm, that's why I'm comparing it to the old Harry house and stuff and going, you know, if, if the old Harry house and stuff would look like this, I'd have been all about it.

00:49:59.06
Bobby LePire
makes sense.

00:49:59.88
Clifton Campbell
I'd have been all about it. Cause this really, really worked. It was like, it was really, really fucking well done. Especially those, that Yeti at the beginning, they met the Yeti fuck. Like the Yeti kick gets the lasers brain thing, kills the,

00:50:13.66
Clifton Campbell
hominid or whatever ape creature and then comes to and has this look of sadness on its face when it and it looks at its hands that are bloody and you can see it has regret and you're just like damn that's pretty fucking good for slow motion man mm-hmm

00:50:26.39
Bobby LePire
Yeah, there David Allen and Nan out of money for a reason. And that's because, like Phil Tippett's extraordinary mad God, ah the dude knew exactly what he wanted, and it just took a long time and more money than God to get it.

00:50:45.05
Bobby LePire
But all that money's on screen. You put this movie on, you're not going to question why it took so long or where that money went.

00:50:46.74
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:50:47.90
Clifton Campbell
For sure.

00:50:51.33
Bobby LePire
You might question,

00:50:52.15
Clifton Campbell
No, totally.

00:50:53.02
Bobby LePire
some of the acting, you might question some of the very basic plotting. This is a very straightforward movie, um, um, which is probably the biggest criticism.

00:50:56.45
Marty Ketola
that's not what it's about you know

00:51:00.94
Bobby LePire
Somebody could level out it is that it's just point a point B point C end. Uh, that's it. There are very few surprises. There are, there are things they discover about the Yeti and about other things, but everything still flows in a way. Well, Oh, that makes total sense as you were saying before.

00:51:19.86
Bobby LePire
Um, but it, it,

00:51:19.94
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:51:23.61
Bobby LePire
watching these beings that David Allen thought of, be it the the Yeti, be it the rep ah reptile beings, um move is awe-inspiring, especially in a day and age where AI is running rapid, and making CGI look ever more gross, where CGI is being overused even before AI to just make everything look rubbery and fake to get a movie come out only, you know, what, two years ago?

00:51:53.99
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:51:54.29
Bobby LePire
is that right? Um, that where everything feels alive and practical and moves with a weight is so rewarding in and of itself.

00:51:55.56
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:52:07.16
Bobby LePire
And then you happen to get a decent amount of characters, a decent amount of those creature, uh, creatures in action, and just a lot of sincerity and fun is, um,

00:52:24.22
Bobby LePire
is something I wish more ah films would latch on to. Does that make sense?

00:52:32.03
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. It's, it's, um, it it's a wild movie to have been, I mean, I guess it's principal photography shot in 96, 95, somewhere in there, 94, 95, it's like slated to be released in 96.

00:52:43.08
Marty Ketola
Okay.

00:52:43.74
Bobby LePire
Yeah, I think 95 going into 96 or something like that. Yeah.

00:52:49.83
Clifton Campbell
So it's, it's wild to see like, you know, Juliet Mills is so much younger.

00:52:50.94
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:52:55.32
Clifton Campbell
It's, it's, it's got that feel. It feels like a, like a little bit of Jurassic park to it. Like it's got a bit of that, like, I don't know, Indiana Jones adventure type feel to it.

00:53:02.40
Bobby LePire
Yeah. yeah

00:53:08.18
Clifton Campbell
um

00:53:11.29
Clifton Campbell
Fascinating, a fascinating movie all the way around.

00:53:13.03
Marty Ketola
it's more like it's a it's like a work of art than in a movie you know its purpose is to have this amazing stop motion more than a you know an oscar winning story that's not what the the point was i thought you know

00:53:13.58
Clifton Campbell
The more, the more I dug into it, the more I liked it. Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:26.05
Clifton Campbell
No,

00:53:27.61
Bobby LePire
i agree and i would argue it should have been up for best visual effects at the oscars but the oscars all suck and we know that so

00:53:36.15
Marty Ketola
Yeah, and I mean, they barely had money to finish this thing, let alone campaign for it, I'm sure.

00:53:40.15
Bobby LePire
yeah know but yeah i would i would i would watch the oscars again let me tell you

00:53:40.41
Marty Ketola
Wouldn't that have been something? Full Moon Pictures wins an Oscar. It's about time.

00:53:47.54
Marty Ketola
Seriously. wanna You want to get your audience back? Come on. We're telling you what you need to do.

00:53:53.88
Bobby LePire
yeah You don't have the best voice acting category. You don't have the best song category. Don't have the best ensemble acting category. um Don't have the best non-theatral release category. Like, they're so behind the times. It hurts.

00:54:09.72
Bobby LePire
I don't don't understand it.

00:54:11.20
Clifton Campbell
Not theatrical.

00:54:11.83
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:54:12.45
Clifton Campbell
Non-theatrical release category which is a really good idea. that's That's a good idea. That's a really good idea.

00:54:20.15
Bobby LePire
ah I feel like I've been dominating this conversation.

00:54:22.01
Clifton Campbell
and and

00:54:23.46
Bobby LePire
Sorry, guys. But this movie really, like...

00:54:24.38
Clifton Campbell
No, you're good. I can tell it resonates with you.

00:54:27.22
Bobby LePire
is good Yeah, there's a reason it was one of the options I gave to you. um Yeah, it's...

00:54:31.42
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:54:32.33
Clifton Campbell
It's one of the reasons we like bringing people on the show and having them bring a movie because one one of two things happens. Either we – everybody loves it and we're like, yeah, this is great. and And the person brings like, yeah, you liked my movie.

00:54:43.93
Clifton Campbell
Or it's – or Mario and I go, no, no.

00:54:47.06
Bobby LePire
but

00:54:47.53
Clifton Campbell
And the other person is like, but wait, it's really great because – No, no, I'm sorry.

00:54:52.99
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:54:53.73
Clifton Campbell
No. So it's, it's nice. It's nice to be able to go. Yeah, actually, I really fucking enjoyed this. I, again, I did like the stop motion in, in, uh, I think the stop motion that I really like it was, is when there was a lot of production value behind it.

00:55:06.10
Clifton Campbell
And this thing had a fuckload of production value.

00:55:06.29
Bobby LePire
Oh,

00:55:08.66
Clifton Campbell
You could tell they, they cleaned up everything with it. It looked awesome. Again, you know, when you get when you're getting facial and emotional responses from the Yeti, from the stop motion stuff, you're you're doing a pretty damn good job.

00:55:22.74
Clifton Campbell
It was really well done.

00:55:23.99
Marty Ketola
Good score, too.

00:55:24.25
Clifton Campbell
I thought it was excellent. Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:26.84
Bobby LePire
oh yeah, yes, yes.

00:55:26.90
Clifton Campbell
Oh, the score. Jesus Christ, man. It's like that fucking John Williams ass fucking Disney Adventureland ass fucking score. It was amazing. i was like I kept going thinking like, who did this?

00:55:37.67
Clifton Campbell
Where is this score? This movie has no right to have the score like this.

00:55:39.90
Marty Ketola
It was Charlie Band.

00:55:40.86
Bobby LePire
it's

00:55:41.43
Marty Ketola
Yeah, always scores these things.

00:55:41.62
Bobby LePire
Well, it's a Charles Band movie, so only one person can do the score.

00:55:44.25
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:55:45.11
Bobby LePire
His own brother, ah Richard Band, who does a lot of scores for Full Moon films.

00:55:45.23
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:55:47.89
Marty Ketola
That was Richard. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:55:51.19
Bobby LePire
And even if those movies are bad, um usually his scores are really good. He doesn't generally just phone it in.

00:55:57.34
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:55:59.36
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:56:04.12
Clifton Campbell
I love how the Yeti is the killer and and by but by the end of the movie, it's the victim and we feel bad for it.

00:56:09.56
Marty Ketola
h

00:56:10.30
Clifton Campbell
And we're like, somebody's got to save that fucking Yeti.

00:56:10.49
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:56:13.56
Clifton Campbell
Like, what's going to happen to the Yeti? Like, we feel bad for that Yeti.

00:56:15.50
Bobby LePire
Yeah. It is interesting how they toy with that because like in the very beginning of the film, it's this wonderful little prologue with ah the ancient ones, the Yetis attacking this ah ah Tibetan question mark? Is that it? Yeah.

00:56:33.53
Clifton Campbell
I couldn't, I was like Native American, far, far far Eastern. Where are we?

00:56:38.30
Bobby LePire
a

00:56:39.05
Clifton Campbell
I don't know.

00:56:39.42
Bobby LePire
i

00:56:40.38
Clifton Campbell
i don't know. some works

00:56:40.97
Bobby LePire
Nepalese town somewhere that would have a Sherpa oh ah thing and it's it's a wonderful scene it's very exciting um it said but like the Yeti's just the bad guy that entire time and then as we the film progresses there are these little hints that maybe the Yeti's not all that bad and then we get to the um hominids

00:56:41.78
Clifton Campbell
Somewhere in the snow, somewhere mountainous area. I don't know. who Maybe.

00:57:09.46
Bobby LePire
whose makeup effects, because they're not stop motion, these are people in, actual humans in makeup effects, are pretty decent.

00:57:15.81
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:57:17.88
Bobby LePire
um They're not to the same level as the stop motion, but they're not shabby either. oh Yeah, yeah.

00:57:22.79
Clifton Campbell
No, they're selling. That sells.

00:57:26.04
Bobby LePire
It's like, oh, this is just taking, like... what I mentioned before, like, like full moon, we're, we're talking like puppet master and, uh, dark angel, the, uh, the ascent and, um, things like that, or even empire earlier for, um, Android and whatnot, where they were doing these sort of,

00:57:43.15
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:57:47.21
Clifton Campbell
No, very much so. Yeah.

00:57:51.90
Bobby LePire
almost epic movies on very low budgets and like still made you feel that epic sense of what was going on.

00:57:58.98
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:57:59.48
Bobby LePire
And this does that. um

00:58:01.37
Clifton Campbell
no very much so yeah

00:58:02.49
Bobby LePire
Whereas giant is all battle attack is just women who are 50 feet tall attacking each other for 70 minutes.

00:58:16.70
Bobby LePire
That's all that movie is.

00:58:19.96
Clifton Campbell
This movie did a great job of feeling much bigger than it is. like it it felt Like it felt like a big movie. Like it had a lot of locations. Like it had a lot of effects. It felt like a big budget.

00:58:31.03
Clifton Campbell
Like whatever, like you said, every dollar that they had definitely hit the screen, right?

00:58:35.66
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:58:36.22
Clifton Campbell
From from giant panning shots that they were using to, you know, the the the that's a that great raft shot of them floating down the river. And I'm thinking, okay, now it's Adventureland at Disneyland, right?

00:58:46.72
Clifton Campbell
It's these cool things. great moments in the film. And then eventually they're saved by the Yeti who also gave them top of the line coolers and mugs as parting gifts and sent them home.

00:58:56.28
Bobby LePire
Obviously.

00:58:56.58
Clifton Campbell
You know, yeah that's that's what that's what Yetis do now.

00:58:56.64
Bobby LePire
yeah

00:59:02.08
Bobby LePire
Marty, even to look what I am curious for you, was this a return to that sort of Ray Harryhausen stuff or what?

00:59:11.44
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, that was totally that was fun.

00:59:12.12
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:59:12.96
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:59:13.10
Marty Ketola
Yeah, I enjoyed all that. you know that's that's

00:59:14.82
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

00:59:17.05
Marty Ketola
Like what I mentioned earlier, it was some of the smoothest stop-motion stuff I'd ever seen.

00:59:20.80
Bobby LePire
Mm-hmm.

00:59:21.65
Marty Ketola
And I started watching the movie and thinking, oh, yeah, that Yeti looks really good. And then about halfway through, i'm thinking, is this that movie that took them forever?

00:59:31.93
Marty Ketola
50 years or so to make. And then sure enough, it was. And so i was like, oh, perfect. Perfect. Yeah, I really got i got a kick out of it. Almost get emotional. And you realize, how is this movie making me emotional? This is ridiculous. But the way it's made, like the saying, like the...

00:59:48.54
Marty Ketola
they give the Yeti emotions and stuff. It makes me wonder if the original intent was for everything to be stop motion, the hominids, and maybe they just decided to just dress people up because they had to finish, or maybe that was always the intent to do like a half and half thing.

01:00:06.00
Marty Ketola
I don't really know all of that, but yeah, have to look into it more, i guess.

01:00:08.76
Bobby LePire
I wish I had an answer, but I don't know. But oh, that this entire thing being stop motion would be mind blowing.

01:00:15.90
Marty Ketola
Well, the whole thing, yeah. You got to have some live people in there.

01:00:17.56
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

01:00:18.54
Marty Ketola
But I figured anything where it was like a costume thing, maybe they were intending to be like the most mind-bending stop-motion epic ever, which it probably ended up being.

01:00:24.31
Bobby LePire
Makes sense.

01:00:29.88
Marty Ketola
And people don't know about it, so check it out.

01:00:30.16
Clifton Campbell
It's some of the, I mean.

01:00:32.00
Marty Ketola
It's on Tubi, I think, right now. Is it on Tubi or is it on Amazon Prime?

01:00:34.86
Bobby LePire
It is on Tubi. I watched it um again so it was fresh in my mind for this at 4.30 in the morning today because I woke up at 2 and couldn't get back to sleep.

01:00:36.02
Marty Ketola
It's on Wornbit.

01:00:40.54
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:44.05
Marty Ketola
Oh, that's a good time for it.

01:00:44.41
Clifton Campbell
God.

01:00:46.29
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:47.99
Bobby LePire
like I need to watch this anyway, so let's go.

01:00:50.30
Marty Ketola
Right. That was me with DC Cab yesterday.

01:00:50.74
Bobby LePire
ah

01:00:50.98
Clifton Campbell
Might as well.

01:00:53.63
Clifton Campbell
I'll also point out to the viewer, um when we talk about stop motion and in in particular, I think what we're talking about is where it's used it as an effect within a movie, right? Like there's, Wallace O'Grommet is stop motion, right?

01:01:06.68
Clifton Campbell
But it's it's it's it's it's a complete, it's everything is stop motion. Everything is its own world created.

01:01:12.00
Marty Ketola
It's like claymation, you know.

01:01:12.40
Clifton Campbell
this yeah that's Yeah, but that's still stop motion, right?

01:01:15.80
Marty Ketola
Well, it is, yeah.

01:01:16.22
Clifton Campbell
But it's but it's you know moving moving the image, moving something one thing at a time, taking a picture, creating pri that. but what But what this does is create ah is use it and then interact with the physical world, right, to make it seem like this is something you know something that exists, much like Clash of the Titans, much like these other films.

01:01:27.29
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:01:34.03
Clifton Campbell
And I think that's where... Like, cause you go, what's the best stop motion ever? I agree, but it's that in particular stop motion, right? Like there's other stop motions that are really great. You could argue that, but this in particular where you have it interacting with the actors in the movie and that type of thing.

01:01:47.39
Marty Ketola
Yeah, and there's hair and stuff that doesn't move crazy like in some of it.

01:01:48.22
Bobby LePire
Yes, yes.

01:01:49.02
Clifton Campbell
This is so fuck. Yes, exactly. so fucking well done. So well done. Yeah. Really enjoyed it.

01:01:55.96
Marty Ketola
Like a Rankin bass.

01:01:58.01
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:02:02.04
Clifton Campbell
All right. What do you give it? Mr. Bobby.

01:02:06.78
Bobby LePire
um If we're still doing a five-point scale, a nine? I know it's a five out of five.

01:02:11.72
Clifton Campbell
Four and a half, five out of five.

01:02:12.57
Bobby LePire
i like it. It's got minor issues um just from being a full moon movie of the nineties where it's like, maybe it's not the best acting, but it's all very adequate.

01:02:20.31
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:02:23.54
Bobby LePire
And as Marty was saying, that's not the point of this one. The point is all this other stuff. And this other stuff is so well crafted so, so exciting and so awe-inspiring um that it's tragic what happened to david allen and very very sad they couldn't finish this movie um but it's so great that the people who knew him have figured out a way to keep his legacy alive and get this out.

01:02:55.83
Bobby LePire
um It's on Tubi. It's on Blu-ray. You can buy it physically if you want. um And so to get the chance to just have this um exist is is thrilling in and of itself. But outside of that backstory, you get a really awesome, epic movie that...

01:03:17.13
Bobby LePire
knows exactly what it is and isn't trying to do anything

01:03:23.16
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:03:23.58
Bobby LePire
to um

01:03:26.94
Bobby LePire
ah not sure how to phrase it. It's not trying to do anything that would interrupt that sense of we are here for the effects. This plot point just needs these to the new effects. That plot point gives us to the new effects and so on and so forth.

01:03:37.21
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:03:39.44
Bobby LePire
And those effects are so worth your time. There are technically three versions you can watch if you back the Kickstarter for this.

01:03:50.94
Bobby LePire
um It came in a uh box i i think you can also buy it on full moon if they didn't sell out um full moon direct um and it's got the version you'll see in two e and if wherever else it might be streaming um it's got a um sort of a workman's print uh kind of a david allen director's cut version where there's like storyboards in a cut that had to be reworked or scrap because he wasn't here and they had to re figure things to make the movie to finish the movie and then there's a third version an earlier version um that was more of a work print thing uh and all three are really interesting because you can see the evolution of the story changing every it's not drastic changes but you can see the story changing a little bit the characterization is changing a little bit but you can also see all that love and care going into it

01:04:46.46
Bobby LePire
um and and to see an independent creator put that much time and effort into something and then see his filmmaking friends and family put that much time into trying to keep it alive for a movie that just delivers on all fronts is it's it's a five out of five easy um I love it yeah

01:05:12.17
Clifton Campbell
on. Marty, what about you?

01:05:15.25
Marty Ketola
Uh, I mean, i mean

01:05:18.94
Marty Ketola
I would obviously go higher if I was just rating it just on the stop motion. I'd be right with the five. But I'm going to go three because, you know, it the story and everything is just, you know. But, of course, like I said, it's that's not what you're coming to this for. If you're coming to this for what it is, you're going to enjoy the five on it. But then, you know, balancing it against everything else, I'll come in right around the middle there.

01:05:42.17
Marty Ketola
yeah I wouldn't go any lower than that because it's just too much of a spectacle to... You know, couldn't call this two and a half. That would almost be, like, dismissive.

01:05:51.50
Clifton Campbell
I'm in the middle. i think again I can't I I agree with you. There's some full moon, you know, it's a full moon picture. So there's a few things story wise and the acting wise and so on and so forth. But I think in general, it's better than the whole sum of its parts. Right. Like for the for the few things that are lacking, when you put it all together, it makes this great thing. Right.

01:06:12.76
Clifton Campbell
Right. I didn't mind watching it. I'm probably honestly going to watch it again.

01:06:17.94
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:06:18.19
Clifton Campbell
so and rewatch ability is a big factor for me.

01:06:18.08
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:06:21.50
Clifton Campbell
Best stop motion ever fucking seen. Got that great kind of again. It's just got this weird, goofy journey to the center of the earth. Indiana Jones type of fucking thing going on with it.

01:06:31.68
Clifton Campbell
You know, you get the archaeologists, you get the fucking book nerd together, a little bit of mummy in there, maybe a little bit to where I just thought, fuck, this is, I don't mind this at all. I think this is actually and really well done.

01:06:42.81
Clifton Campbell
And then we get to the end and it's just like the last 30 minutes just fucking flooded with stop motion effects. Like, because they, they, they really give you the Yeti at the beginning and then boom, you're off to like cryptozoology language world for 15 Yeah.

01:06:55.36
Marty Ketola
All

01:06:56.30
Clifton Campbell
And then another 20 before you find the fucking middle, the journey to the center of the earth and you find the new place. And then suddenly it's aliens and it's lizards and all this and fucking, it's just, it's great. I really, really enjoyed it.

01:07:07.02
Clifton Campbell
So four stars what I'm going go with.

01:07:08.47
Marty Ketola
right.

01:07:11.00
Marty Ketola
Awesome.

01:07:12.28
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, definitely. Well, Bobby, thanks for coming on, man. I'm bringing a really, just a really fucking interesting movie, man.

01:07:17.85
Marty Ketola
Frank?

01:07:19.11
Clifton Campbell
I really enjoyed it.

01:07:19.64
Bobby LePire
Thank you for having me and letting me talk about both DC Cab, which is so weird. It's so weird that like if anybody listening to this likes bad movies or movies that are just hard to describe.

01:07:38.60
Bobby LePire
DC tabs for you.

01:07:38.78
Clifton Campbell
this is it's a It's a spectacle, man.

01:07:40.24
Bobby LePire
it's yeah it' Again, until the last 20 minutes, you won't be bored. There's always something weird happening.

01:07:45.21
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:07:46.36
Bobby LePire
And then, yeah, Primeval is just... I love the history. I love that they tried to keep it alive. I love that it exists in any form. And I just think it...

01:07:57.21
Bobby LePire
on what it tells you it is from the beginning, it delivers on all those fronts. It's just, I'm an adventure movie with stop motion and that stop motion is so great that the plot, the acting, who cares? And again, I think some of the acting actually quite good. Um, Juliet Mills in particular, um, that like,

01:08:17.66
Bobby LePire
I will be on here talking about it. I will talk about it at so many tomorrow if I get the chance. like I want people to see this movie, and I really want Full Moon to return to this style of filmmaking.

01:08:24.72
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:08:30.04
Clifton Campbell
i I think they'd do a lot better if they did.

01:08:32.50
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:08:32.79
Bobby LePire
Yeah.

01:08:32.85
Clifton Campbell
Because this has made, again, the so whole sum of its parts, better than the sum of its parts. There is an earnestness to this movie. There is an honesty to the movie. There is a quality to the movie that you just do not get from a lot of full moon pictures, in my opinion.

01:08:48.15
Clifton Campbell
Right? I don't know what it is. it it it it It raises itself to a different level.

01:08:49.92
Bobby LePire
that not anymore i would argue there was a point in time it's probably probably the entire 90s where full moon was attempting to do that sort of thing not always successfully not always good but they were at least shaking themselves seriously and now they are sort of in on the joke whereas something like trauma was always in on their own joke trauma

01:08:52.27
Clifton Campbell
And I'd like to see more of it like that.

01:08:56.77
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:09:03.38
Marty Ketola
Yeah, it was a little more like that, yeah.

01:09:05.88
Clifton Campbell
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:09.96
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:09:11.52
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:09:16.45
Clifton Campbell
That's, that's, the that's the key.

01:09:17.45
Marty Ketola
I was always in on that joke.

01:09:20.01
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:09:20.12
Bobby LePire
um um Lloyd Kaufman never took himself seriously always was wink wink at everything they ever made um

01:09:30.54
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:31.41
Bobby LePire
whereas Full Moon fell into that because wish I had a reason don't know yeah yeah

01:09:37.40
Clifton Campbell
Because it makes them, because it and made of money.

01:09:39.19
Marty Ketola
Like the asylum and things like that, I figure, you know, you're just trying to compete with those Sharknado type things, being goofier.

01:09:42.64
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:09:47.29
Bobby LePire
Yeah, but at least the Sharknado movies, they're called Sharknado. The last one is literally called The Last Sharknado, colon, It's About Time. Those movies know what they are from the jump.

01:09:54.55
Marty Ketola
ah Oh, that's true. Yeah. I should say more like the Atlantic rims that they they do where it's like, oof, a little painful.

01:10:01.85
Bobby LePire
Yes. Yeah, that's a...

01:10:04.12
Marty Ketola
ah

01:10:04.44
Bobby LePire
I could do a whole podcast about the asylum films.

01:10:08.97
Marty Ketola
I'm going to take DC cab and I'm going to chop off the last 20 minutes. I'm going to splice the last 20 minutes of the primevals on there and bring a real interesting mashup.

01:10:19.89
Bobby LePire
When that happens, let me know.

01:10:20.22
Clifton Campbell
I'd watch that.

01:10:21.21
Bobby LePire
I will totally watch that movie.

01:10:23.24
Clifton Campbell
I'd watch, I'd watch the fuck out of that.

01:10:24.31
Marty Ketola
makes it It makes more sense actually.

01:10:24.64
Clifton Campbell
Are you kidding me? I'd totally watch the shit out. I'd watch that big time.

01:10:28.54
Marty Ketola
yeah so do you got anything you want to plug today?

01:10:33.02
Bobby LePire
um Yeah, you guys already mentioned I can be found reviewing films for Film Threat. And then um also check out the podcast ah Reels of Justice.

01:10:39.97
Clifton Campbell
No.

01:10:47.21
Bobby LePire
I am not on that, but that is ah my favorite podcast in the world.

01:10:47.99
Clifton Campbell
Woohoo.

01:10:52.60
Bobby LePire
That is why I'm on this podcast. It's how I know you guys.

01:10:54.52
Marty Ketola
Right? Yeah, it's true.

01:10:55.83
Clifton Campbell
Nice.

01:10:56.02
Bobby LePire
um that it It is literally movie court.

01:10:56.07
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Those guys are, those guys are hilarious.

01:11:00.30
Bobby LePire
Lawyer, lawyer, one saying it's a bad movie, one saying it's a good movie. Judge, jury, it's it's brilliant. I love all those guys on there. I love being on there when I get the chance to go on there.

01:11:12.38
Bobby LePire
So I'm going to plug something on their behalf.

01:11:16.12
Clifton Campbell
Perfect. Perfect. Um, well, Bobby, thanks so much for coming on the show, man. We really appreciate it. Um, you guys want to get out of here on a quote?

01:11:29.53
Marty Ketola
was You know, that's the first conversation around here that's made any sense.

01:11:39.28
Clifton Campbell
Bobby.

01:11:41.64
Bobby LePire
Thank you guys for having me. This was really fun.

01:11:45.43
Clifton Campbell
Absolutely. If I wanted responsibility, I'd have been a damn sex surrogate.

01:11:51.82
Clifton Campbell
Let's get out here later.