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Strange Brew and Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead - Talking Shakespeare

July 06, 2026 • Clifton Campbell, Marty Ketola • Season 4 • Episode 20

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In this episode, special guests Drew Kallen-Keck plus Ben Cheknis and Andrew Coltrin from "The Two Vague Podcast" join the podcast. Ben and Andrew bring along the movie Strange Brew. While Drew brings the movie Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead for everyone to watch.

First is Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead, Tom Stoppard's delightfully brainy adaptation starring Gary Oldman and Tim Roth. The gang dives into fate, free will and if this might be the ultimate "theater kid" movie. There's plenty to chew on.

Next is Strange Brew, where Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas prove that Shakespeare and Bob & Doug McKenzie have more in common than anyone expected. Clif, Marty, Andrew, Drew, and Ben celebrate the film's wonderfully goofy charm, debate how much Hamlet is really in the script and agree that the movie is quintessentially Canadian.

Along the way: prank phone calls from high school, Pink Floyd deep cuts, theater stories, Richard Dreyfuss appreciation, charcuterie jokes and enough Hamlet references to make your old English teacher proud.

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Clifton Campbell
All right, Marty, that's us.

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Marty Ketola
40 Hamlets agree will not be seen this week, so we may bring you the following mouse in the bottle scheme.

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Marty Ketola
So I mixed it up there. i went to a different Canadian troop.

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Clifton Campbell
I like that. very that's That's a very good job, Hoser.

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Andrew Coltrin
that so it was That's right.

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Marty Ketola
sorry

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Ben
But still Canadian.

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Marty Ketola
Exactly. Exactly.

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Drew
Good job, A.

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Andrew Coltrin
It gets the maple leaf seal. it can ah It can be broadcast on the Canadian airwaves.

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Marty Ketola
ah Welcome back to ah Talking Pondo. We're back once again. Is this Talking Hamlet, Talking Shakespeare, Talking Bard? I don't know what we wanted to call it. I guess we'll figure it out at some point today.

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Clifton Campbell
We'll figure it out. Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
and I'm back.

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Andrew Coltrin
Talking hosers.

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Marty Ketola
It's me.

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Clifton Campbell
Talking hosers.

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Marty Ketola
it's it's It's me and Cliff, and we have a bunch of guests today. A new record for us. You know today's guests, one of today's guests from his previous appearance on the show, as well as in a couple of our movies.

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Marty Ketola
It's Drew Kalin Keck joining us again.

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Drew
Hey, hey.

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Clifton Campbell
Hey, woo.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yay.

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Drew
you guys doing?

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Clifton Campbell
Hey, good buddy.

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Marty Ketola
And also joining us today is the return of Ben Checkness and the Too Vague podcast, including longtime friend of the show, Andrew Coltrane.

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Clifton Campbell
Woo!

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Andrew Coltrin
Yay. Whoa.

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Clifton Campbell
Yay!

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Andrew Coltrin
Long time, friend.

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Ben
Hello?

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Andrew Coltrin
Gosh.

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Marty Ketola
So I'm like, you know, going into my radio announcer voice there.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
k Cliff says, don't do too much of the morning DJ thing, but sometimes it just naturally comes up.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Clifton Campbell
Andrew's been a listener since the first episode. Like, he reached out to us after the first episode and said what a great episode it was.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah, that was back in 1993, I believe.

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Clifton Campbell
That's right.

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Andrew Coltrin
In 1993?

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Clifton Campbell
That's right.

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Andrew Coltrin
I mean, oh

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Clifton Campbell
That's right.

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Andrew Coltrin
i was I was prank calling you guys in like 92, I'm pretty sure.

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Clifton Campbell
Yes. Okay.

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Marty Ketola
oh he goes even further than that.

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Andrew Coltrin
and The Forbidden Zone? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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Clifton Campbell
Yes.

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Andrew Coltrin
Pretty sure it was some dumb night in high school. i was Like, oh yeah, I'm calling you up and just say chicken butt a bunch of times.

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Marty Ketola
Because it was and was thrilling to do that then, you know.

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Andrew Coltrin
Or was that someone else who did that?

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Drew
as exciting

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Clifton Campbell
I mean, that was probably one of the, yeah probably one of the cleaner crank calls that we had back then, honestly.

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Andrew Coltrin
Probably. i don't i don't know. I barely. Oh, yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Silly, silly days, but...

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Marty Ketola
So a Cliff, what what movies are we watching?

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Ben
Chicken butt. I just wanted to say chicken butt.

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Clifton Campbell
Guess what?

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Ben
Go ahead.

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Marty Ketola
like You know what? What? Chicken butt. And then we'd hang up and then it would happen a few more times throughout the night.

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Clifton Campbell
And then it went to, and then it went to, you and then it went to, you know why chicken thigh and then something else.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
and See, I don't think that was actually me, but I think I saw it happen.

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Clifton Campbell
I can't remember.

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Andrew Coltrin
But it might have been my friend, but...

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Clifton Campbell
and please

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Andrew Coltrin
i

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Clifton Campbell
Today's movies. Okay. So, running on the Hamlet theme, Marty mentioned earlier today's movies are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead and strange brew also known as the adventures of Bob and Doug McKenzie.

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Marty Ketola
Wow.

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Marty Ketola
That's right. It does have a longer title.

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Clifton Campbell
That's right.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
And and why why Strange Brew? Because it's built upon... It's kind of based upon the Hamlet play. Kind of.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, kind of.

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Clifton Campbell
little bit.

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Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

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Andrew Coltrin
It's, it's, it's, it's, yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Sort of. It's got little elements. It's got little elements.

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Andrew Coltrin
It's got a lot of elements.

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Drew
It originally was much closer to Hamlet, but they decided to be a little more reading reading the Wikipedia. The first draft was much more Hamlet like, and then they kind of ran off with it from there.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah, you always got to start somewhere, but yeah.

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Well, I guess if you're going to steal from, if you're going steal, steal from the best, right?

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Marty Ketola
in our

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Andrew Coltrin
He'll from the best because, you know, that's who he stole it from.

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Marty Ketola
right. the best

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Andrew Coltrin
So it's fine. No.

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Drew
That's true. as They steal from the best who also steal from other people.

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Andrew Coltrin
yeah like I'm like, well, 40 some plays and only two original plots. So.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Are we, are we, so we're, we're doing this Christopher Marlowe whole thing. We, we, we, we're doing that too. Okay.

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Andrew Coltrin
No, no, no, it's not that. It's just that he always, he he took stories that were already around. You know, he played the hits.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, sure.

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Andrew Coltrin
He redid it.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah. yeah

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Drew
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. But it's like, you know.

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Clifton Campbell
It's like Stephen King. it'd be if It'd be like the Stephen King of of our times or something.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. I mean, he just you just did it better than what his source material was.

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Clifton Campbell
There's a

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Andrew Coltrin
So, you know.

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Clifton Campbell
There's a great line from um Star Trek 4 where Kirk and Spock are talking about ah the past they're talking about the past. They're in San Francisco. It's 85.

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Clifton Campbell
And you know he says something like, oh, it's the double dumbass. And he says, double dumbass and all these colloquialisms.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
He goes, well, you know i read I read the novels at the time. Susan Collins and blah blah blah he goes ah And he goes, oh, the giants, right?

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Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

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Andrew Coltrin
The Giants, right.

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Clifton Campbell
And these are just these are just pulp authors. They're not like, you know, they're these are not, you know, it's not pinch on or anything.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Drew
yeah

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Clifton Campbell
It's just fucking, soe you know, ah gra or Sue Grafton or Stephen King, right?

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, it's...

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Clifton Campbell
Like, they're good writers, but they're not considered great literature, right? So I don't know. But that, that to me, that's the kind of stuff that would end up surviving because so much of it was fucking printed.

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Clifton Campbell
Right. Like that's the stuff that would end up, end up kind of, somebody would find that and go, well, here's what was representative of the, you know, literature of the 90s.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
The Sarah J. Moss.

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Andrew Coltrin
I don't know, man.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
We threw away so many copies of Seabiscuit at Bookman's.

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Marty Ketola
But they still keep coming. They never stop.

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Andrew Coltrin
There's still coming. Jeez.

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Marty Ketola
They're still coming.

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Andrew Coltrin
Remember when we that year we turned them in at Christmas ornaments for the tree?

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Clifton Campbell
That's, I mean, that's hilarious.

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Andrew Coltrin
Like, right there's

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah. yeah You should have made it just a whole like horse out of the Seabiscuit books. um The irony is the irony it's a good book.

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Marty Ketola
Oh, that'll be the next budget.

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Andrew Coltrin
we could have

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, i don't think there was any complaint about the book, just how many would come in over the trade counter.

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Marty Ketola
That's why there's so many copies there.

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Andrew Coltrin
just be like

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Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

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Marty Ketola
never-ending supply it's like the titanic and jerry mcguire vhs's that i still importing i'm building a brick wall out of them so

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Andrew Coltrin
Oh, oh, those two.

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Ben
What sort of gravy would you serve with sea biscuits?

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Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

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Marty Ketola
well it depends on what country you're in if if if your sea biscuits are in europe they're ah more of like a cookie right or while was here it would be the biscuits and gravy sea biscuits

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Clifton Campbell
like a in a

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Drew
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Weevils.

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Ben
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
You're definitely getting weevils with your seed biscuits.

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Marty Ketola
i

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Andrew Coltrin
getting weevils, yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
You need to soak it in the grog.

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Clifton Campbell
Maybe a little secretariat.

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Andrew Coltrin
Because, yeah. I'm

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Clifton Campbell
Alright, so we got viewer mail?

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Marty Ketola
you We do have one piece of viewer mail, if you can consider it viewer mail, listener mail, whatever you want to call it.

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Andrew Coltrin
going to chew it, yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
So we did an episode on a suitable flash and green book because those movies go to go so well together, but they actually did.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, listener mail, sorry.

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Clifton Campbell
Woohoo!

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Marty Ketola
Strangely enough, we did that a few weeks ago and we got a response on blue sky of all places from the director of suitable flesh who says, gentlemen, you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.

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Andrew Coltrin
Thank you.

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Drew
Out.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
So I don't know if he actually listened to the episode. We did like the movie. We didn't rave about it overly, but we did enjoy the film. If you liked From Beyond and Reanimator or those ah HP Lovecraft type things, Suitable Flesh, we felt like a good third entry in that, if you don't count Castle Freak.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, you can't really count that one, I don't think.

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Marty Ketola
whatever We don't know talk about that one today, but that was our mail for the day.

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Clifton Campbell
Anyway.

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Marty Ketola
What movie do we want to start with? We usually let the guests decide, but we could flip a coin, but it's just going to keep ending up being heads.

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Ben
and I got three guests.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
So...

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Andrew Coltrin
Everybody heads, heads, heads.

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Clifton Campbell
Heads.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, I think maybe you just nudge the odds on that one over to...

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Clifton Campbell
Heads.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
You guys want to go, you guys going to go Rosicranz first and we'll save the fun, save the funny for the last part of the funny movie.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Ben
Rosencrantz.

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Drew
Well, funny is relative, but sure.

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Ben
That's what I want.

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Marty Ketola
All right. So ah just when I thought that a Strange Brew was kind of incomprehensible, along comes Rosencrantz and Gilderstern are dead.

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Clifton Campbell
All right.

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Ben
Yeah, I'm going to be listening

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Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

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Clifton Campbell
Okay. Okay.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
ah

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Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah.

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Marty Ketola
both of these movies I've seen before I haven't seen in a while, but Cliff, what is the synopsis?

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Clifton Campbell
All right, so Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead is from 1990.

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Marty Ketola
What?

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Clifton Campbell
It's rated PG. It's an hour and 57 minutes long. um It's directed and written by Tom Stoppard. from his play from the late 60s, starring gold Gary Oldman and Tim Roth. ah Your logline is, two minor characters from the play Hamlet stumble around unaware of their scripted lives and unable to deviate from them And then your storyline is showing showing events from the point of two minor characters from Hamlet, men who have no control over the destiny. This film examines fate and asks, can we ever really know what's going on? Our answers are important as important as questions. Will Rosencrantz, Cranston, Guildenstern or Guildenstern and Rosencrantz manage to discover the source of Hamlet's malaise as requested by the new king?

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Clifton Campbell
Or will the mysterious players who are strolling around the castle reveal the secrets they evidently know? And whose serve is it?

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Drew
Yeah. So

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Marty Ketola
So it starts with Seamus. Isn't that weird, Cliff? The the dog howling song from your favorite Pink Floyd album, Metal.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah. i i I was immediately like, is that Seamus from fucking Metal?

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Marty Ketola
It certainly is.

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Clifton Campbell
it is. That's Seamus the dog barking. Holy shit. Anyway.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Ben
It just didn't, it didn't seem to go. mean, I don't know.

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Andrew Coltrin
It didn't go.

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Ben
It was, yeah, it was just, yeah.

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Marty Ketola
ah

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Andrew Coltrin
Ben's fan.

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Clifton Campbell
it's it's it's in It's an odd choice for the opening, for sure.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
It totally is.

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Ben
Yeah.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, I think.

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Marty Ketola
It's like saying this is going to be weird guys.

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Drew
Tom Stopper directed it himself because he didn't think anybody else would get it.

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Marty Ketola
Yeah.

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Drew
And what's the line I was reading earlier?

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Marty Ketola
Hmm.

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Drew
his He said, it just seemed I'd be the only person who would treat the play with a necessary disrespect. So um yeah, it was interesting because he, I liked the play a lot. I did, we did the, in theater in in college, we did the question scene, a friend of mine, Lemuel and I did that scene a lot for scene work.

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Drew
And I've used the, you know, everything about being dead monologue as a audition piece several times. um i I have, I'm,

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Drew
I don't know how much theater you guys have done, but you know I've done quite a lot, and I do have a soft spot for a theater that's kind of about theater, I guess.

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Clifton Campbell
Oh, it's very meta.

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Drew
This, yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
yeah this is this is totally ah a play about a play yeah

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Clifton Campbell
It's very theater meta for sure.

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Drew
um In fact, there is a play, I was just reading about this on Wikipedia, there's a 2022 play, which is called Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. It's one act in which Rosencrantz Guildenstern realize they're in the play by Tom Stoppard, and then

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Clifton Campbell
Ah, it's fun.

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Drew
Yeah, so it's it's a meta meta.

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Andrew Coltrin
Oh, meta meta.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah, see, meta meta, yeah.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
And then they're like, don't get on the boat. Don't know.

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Drew
And they were talking about The Lion King 1 1⁄2.

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Marty Ketola
Bye.

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Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah.

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Drew
video movie was somewhat based on the concept of Rosencrantz and Good Life the Water Dead.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Simone and Puma doing whatever it is they do off screen.

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Drew
Yeah, in the middle of the play, or the middle of the movie.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

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Drew
It's one of my favorite bits of the movie is, you know, when they're just sort of there, and then all of a sudden, all the people rush in, and they're just sort of dragged along with whatever.

00:10:41.17
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

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Drew
They do all the lines in the play and then they you know they're back and like, what the heck just happened?

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

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Drew
What?

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Andrew Coltrin
Exactly. think.

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Clifton Campbell
It's because they're they're trapped in that play, right? Like it's these, it's like you said, it's those moments when they're not on stage that they're just wandering around trying to figure out existentially who the fuck they are.

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Drew
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

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Drew
And they don't know. you know They're just characters. so They don't know who

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Andrew Coltrin
And they can't even remember what was, you know, what's the first thing you remember?

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Drew
Yeah.

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Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

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Andrew Coltrin
Like, they don't even know exactly why they're there.

00:11:02.36
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:11:02.58
Drew
Yeah.

00:11:02.19
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:11:05.17
Andrew Coltrin
And then.

00:11:06.76
Clifton Campbell
It's a weird, like almost existential crisis, but but Stopper doesn't allow it to go there.

00:11:06.87
Drew
Yeah.

00:11:09.56
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:11:11.16
Clifton Campbell
He doesn't allow them to kind of have a a moment of like so reflection, like deep reflection. He's like, no, no, no, let's just move past it and kind of deal with the fact that these these guys aren't in control of their own destinies and are stuck in this play.

00:11:18.07
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:11:23.89
Andrew Coltrin
Or the way, like Rosencrantz, like tries to set up some basic like physics experiments. He's like, Oh, look at this thing.

00:11:30.62
Ben
I going to mention that.

00:11:31.09
Andrew Coltrin
And then it never works out. Right. And then it's like, no.

00:11:33.13
Ben
Right, right.

00:11:33.88
Drew
That was always fun because that's not in the play.

00:11:34.25
Ben
That's

00:11:36.27
Drew
That's for the movie.

00:11:36.36
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:11:37.18
Drew
That was all stuff he added in the movie.

00:11:37.50
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah. He realized.

00:11:39.30
Drew
Because you can't really do a lot of that on stage. It's just not going work.

00:11:42.41
Andrew Coltrin
It's not going to work. No. he And he realized, like, guy if I'm going to make my play into a movie, he didn't want to just, you know, put shooting directions onto his...

00:11:48.50
Drew
Yeah.

00:11:50.91
Andrew Coltrin
He liked that. I got to rethink it it as a story. So, yeah.

00:11:53.72
Drew
Yeah.

00:11:53.75
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:11:54.79
Drew
Have some other stuff. And it's for me, i like I like watching the performances because Gary Oldman at this point in our lives has played a bad guy so many times that you're like seeing him like young and kind of, yeah, and a little and a little whatever.

00:11:56.22
Andrew Coltrin
Which...

00:12:06.43
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm.

00:12:07.43
Clifton Campbell
he's so He's so young and fresh faced. Jesus Christ. Yes. He looks like a baby.

00:12:12.12
Andrew Coltrin
Totally, totally, totally innocence.

00:12:13.42
Drew
You're like, wow.

00:12:13.46
Clifton Campbell
He and Tim Roth both.

00:12:15.03
Drew
Yeah. Timber.

00:12:16.66
Andrew Coltrin
little bit curious about that, Alfred and the tragedians.

00:12:19.58
Drew
um

00:12:20.26
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:12:20.31
Drew
Also, I was like forever trying to figure out the guy who played Hamlet and that's Ian Glenn. He was in a Game of Thrones.

00:12:26.87
Clifton Campbell
Yes, he's in Game of Thrones.

00:12:27.37
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

00:12:28.12
Drew
So was the so is the guy that played polonius they' are not plonies the um ah Claudius.

00:12:28.27
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

00:12:31.06
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

00:12:34.49
Drew
He was also in Game of Thrones. I mean, half of the British actors were in Game of Thrones, but you know.

00:12:39.10
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. I mean, that's right.

00:12:39.60
Clifton Campbell
True. Yeah.

00:12:40.44
Drew
But I'm like, it's so he's so baby-faced in that movie and then, you know, Game Thrones is all grizzled whatnot.

00:12:46.68
Ben
Wait a second. He's Sid and Nancy.

00:12:48.46
Drew
Yeah.

00:12:49.78
Ben
sit Sid's a bad guy?

00:12:52.79
Marty Ketola
Well, that might not be one of them.

00:12:53.56
Drew
Well, later on.

00:12:54.47
Andrew Coltrin
that's That's the other they Gary Olden movie you've seen?

00:12:56.47
Drew
I'm

00:12:56.49
Ben
okay.

00:12:57.75
Andrew Coltrin
it

00:13:00.02
Drew
i the fifth element, right?

00:13:01.34
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, come on, Ben.

00:13:01.42
Drew
That's...

00:13:02.47
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:13:02.56
Andrew Coltrin
You've got to watch The Fifth Element.

00:13:04.01
Clifton Campbell
Well, La Femme Nikita, he's the worst cop ever in La Femme Nikita, the worst French cop ever in La Femme Nikita.

00:13:03.99
Ben
Oh, yeah.

00:13:04.65
Drew
Yeah.

00:13:08.15
Drew
Yeah.

00:13:08.02
Marty Ketola
was Dracula right after this.

00:13:09.27
Drew
The professional.

00:13:10.71
Ben
Yeah.

00:13:10.96
Clifton Campbell
Dracula right after this.

00:13:11.12
Ben
Professional Leon.

00:13:11.54
Andrew Coltrin
and Dracula, Beethoven.

00:13:15.16
Clifton Campbell
Where does Tim Roth go after this?

00:13:15.42
Andrew Coltrin
you must if

00:13:16.50
Ben
True romance.

00:13:16.56
Clifton Campbell
Does he go to Does Tim Roth go to Rob Roy after this?

00:13:17.30
Ben
Oh gosh. True romance is so good. The

00:13:21.46
Drew
I think so.

00:13:21.72
Clifton Campbell
and then and then to And then to Pulp Fiction?

00:13:24.41
Drew
Yeah, because this is all early stuff before they...

00:13:25.75
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. this is This is all before he really exploded in four rooms and all that kind of stuff.

00:13:29.53
Drew
Yeah.

00:13:30.95
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:13:31.16
Marty Ketola
Planet of the Apes.

00:13:31.74
Drew
And he's just kind of wandered up. He's one of those that sort of disappeared.

00:13:33.48
Clifton Campbell
Planet of the Apes. Yeah.

00:13:35.63
Drew
haven't really seen him anything recently.

00:13:37.94
Clifton Campbell
it's it's this I was just thinking about that with like, that's the same with like Amy Adams. Like she was like, well, gonna see, I'm going go have kids, you know, and it has come back and she's starting to, she's starting to warm her career back up.

00:13:41.86
Drew
Yeah.

00:13:44.98
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:45.90
Drew
She's coming back. Yeah.

00:13:49.16
Clifton Campbell
But I mean, if you go go and look at her career, she had a span of about eight years where she was just knocking them out.

00:13:50.18
Drew
Yeah.

00:13:54.56
Clifton Campbell
Like just big, big movie, big performance one after the other. And then poof. It was really interesting.

00:13:59.29
Marty Ketola
I was like Rick Moranis. You know, he's coming out of retirement now too.

00:14:01.21
Clifton Campbell
I was just about to, that was my yeah I was going to tie them together and then he beat me to it.

00:14:02.21
Marty Ketola
so ah You segued it.

00:14:05.58
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:14:05.45
Marty Ketola
You set it instead of up.

00:14:06.42
Clifton Campbell
I was going to do the thing and then, yeah.

00:14:06.90
Drew
anyway man

00:14:07.97
Marty Ketola
I had a thing.

00:14:08.70
Clifton Campbell
yeah But yeah, it's just just like Rick Moranis.

00:14:08.93
Marty Ketola
I had a thing.

00:14:10.14
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:14:10.96
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. His wife wife got sick and he went and he was like, fuck, going to take care my kids.

00:14:15.64
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, i got stuff to do.

00:14:15.42
Marty Ketola
Now the kids are like, go do your acting thing.

00:14:17.15
Andrew Coltrin
They're like, we want to throw a party.

00:14:17.58
Marty Ketola
Get out of the house. We're old now.

00:14:19.83
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:14:21.40
Andrew Coltrin
oh it's

00:14:22.33
Clifton Campbell
it Jesus, just leave.

00:14:22.38
Marty Ketola
You're funny. Don't be funny.

00:14:24.34
Andrew Coltrin
Go do something with Uncle Dave.

00:14:24.54
Drew
very interesting you

00:14:26.26
Andrew Coltrin
no

00:14:27.54
Drew
Very interesting to see.

00:14:28.07
Ben
Thank you.

00:14:30.39
Drew
Yeah, i just spaced it. to When was playing the player, my brain just went.

00:14:35.48
Andrew Coltrin
oh oh Richard Dreyfuss.

00:14:36.73
Drew
Yeah, Richard Dreyfuss.

00:14:37.40
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:14:37.43
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, a the the tragedians are just, they're wonderful.

00:14:38.10
Clifton Campbell
breakfast

00:14:40.66
Drew
Richard Dreyfuss and his chest, it's which you do see a lot of.

00:14:43.55
Clifton Campbell
Oh, he's, he's, but he's, and he's excellent in that role because that role requires a certain sort of hamishness and self-awareness of who you are.

00:14:46.06
Marty Ketola
uh,

00:14:51.14
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:14:52.72
Drew
Yeah.

00:14:53.63
Clifton Campbell
And he really kind of leans into that and plays that really well. I thought he's fun to watch in that role quite a bit, especially like the, the fake job, the fake sword fighting that they do at one point.

00:14:58.45
Drew
Oh, yeah. He is...

00:15:04.65
Drew
Oh, yeah.

00:15:05.40
Clifton Campbell
ah So much fun.

00:15:07.19
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:15:07.55
Ben
Thank you.

00:15:07.67
Drew
I enjoy the fact that you you get pretty much, at least a good portion of the story of Hamlet through other means. but They're just sort of wandering in with the dumb show and all of that.

00:15:19.96
Drew
You get to see some interesting elements of... that type of theater from back then, um, which I found fun. Also, I was always watching the movie going that wagon, it's gotta be top heavy.

00:15:34.61
Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:15:35.22
Drew
yeah

00:15:35.57
Andrew Coltrin
That's a crazy wagon.

00:15:36.82
Drew
It's going to fall over at some point.

00:15:37.01
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:15:38.54
Drew
I guess all those guys are going squished. Um, but no, and then wherever they shot that thing, man, that place is cool.

00:15:41.98
Ben
So you...

00:15:46.36
Drew
That, uh, that castle or whatever they're in like, dude, uh,

00:15:49.32
Andrew Coltrin
Mm.

00:15:50.76
Ben
So as a theater guy, can I ask you a question?

00:15:53.73
Drew
Yeah.

00:15:53.77
Ben
Is that okay?

00:15:53.83
Drew
Go ahead. go ahead

00:15:55.03
Ben
um As a theater guy, so this movie seems like, to me, it is kind of written for people who have done the theater more than...

00:16:07.00
Ben
and

00:16:07.19
Clifton Campbell
This is, yeah, definitely. This is what goes on in a theater kid's head all the time when they close their eyes.

00:16:11.57
Drew
Yeah, what is these characters doing when they're not on stage, basically?

00:16:11.90
Ben
Yeah.

00:16:12.02
Clifton Campbell
This is what constant.

00:16:15.90
Ben
Okay.

00:16:16.73
Drew
is is the kind of the that's This is the prototypical of that. It is somewhat like Waiting for Godot, but Waiting for Godot doesn't really have a plot, per se.

00:16:21.40
Ben
Yeah.

00:16:26.42
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's way more existential.

00:16:26.56
Drew
It's just a couple of guys doing

00:16:26.71
Ben
Yeah.

00:16:27.86
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah.

00:16:28.32
Drew
yeah um so this one at least has some plot and it it's fun for an actor to do and that's why actors really like that there's i was looking at the the list of people who have been in this play you know daniel radcliffe's done it uh benedict cumberback has been a tim minchin lot a lot of them played rosencrantz strangely enough um so you know it's a fun

00:16:28.89
Ben
Yeah.

00:16:52.95
Andrew Coltrin
Were they able to figure out which one is Rosencrantz?

00:16:55.06
Clifton Campbell
I was going to say which Rosencrantz.

00:16:55.29
Drew
Yeah, well, when you read the script, you'll know because it's famousless to think within the actual play, yeah, within the play and the movie, like they never come out and say which one is which.

00:16:55.35
Andrew Coltrin
ah

00:16:56.15
Marty Ketola
Which one?

00:16:58.17
Andrew Coltrin
um No, yeah, I know.

00:16:58.20
Marty Ketola
Yeah, right.

00:16:59.70
Andrew Coltrin
I just think

00:17:04.59
Andrew Coltrin
they're they're sort of like, they're they think they're, and then they're like, they're not sure, which I think it's like a a fascinating thing because I i read an interview with Stoppard. you know, decades ago.

00:17:15.08
Andrew Coltrin
But um yeah, it was in that he was talking about mentioning about how he has face blindness or he had, he passed away.

00:17:15.57
Drew
Yeah.

00:17:20.44
Drew
Yeah.

00:17:21.76
Andrew Coltrin
But so, so he actually would have to tell people apart by other things besides what their face look like. If they're not talking or moving around, showing their mannerisms, you'd be like, so, so he has a lot of plays where that sort of, I'm not sure what other people's identity are.

00:17:27.73
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:17:37.73
Andrew Coltrin
You could play on that a lot. And so i I kind of like seeing that come up with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

00:17:43.86
Drew
i'm ah I am a fan of that. Now, I have to say, we watched it. My wife was somewhat bored.

00:17:49.05
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:17:51.06
Drew
Not her kind of thing.

00:17:51.32
Clifton Campbell
to be to To be fair, it's ah it's it's a theater kids movie.

00:17:51.90
Drew
And I i apologize to those who might be bored with it or for foisting it upon you.

00:17:55.70
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:17:57.03
Drew
But it is one of my favorite plays.

00:17:57.36
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:17:57.33
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:18:00.56
Drew
And I enjoy these performances.

00:18:00.68
Marty Ketola
I know the contrast with the other movie was interesting. so you know.

00:18:04.22
Drew
Yeah. I mean, i i had my brain had put more Hamlet into Strange Brew than there actually is.

00:18:05.32
Clifton Campbell
Bended...

00:18:11.67
Clifton Campbell
Yes, it's it's loosely got some loose components of it for sure.

00:18:13.81
Andrew Coltrin
it's

00:18:14.10
Drew
Yeah.

00:18:14.66
Andrew Coltrin
It's like, oh yeah, yeah, once we get there, I've got, yeah.

00:18:17.62
Drew
Yeah. Opinions.

00:18:18.46
Andrew Coltrin
Got it all mapped out, but...

00:18:18.70
Drew
Go

00:18:19.58
Clifton Campbell
Ben, did you actually have a, did we have a, you have a question and do we cut you off or yeah?

00:18:24.30
Ben
Well, I don't know.

00:18:25.38
Drew
ahead.

00:18:25.59
Ben
It's kind of

00:18:25.88
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:18:27.13
Ben
it's kind of immaterial now, but it's just kind of like, I had a question about, um well, I guess ah this is more of a question now for everyone. It's to me when I saw it, it seemed more like it would be better seen as a play.

00:18:41.18
Ben
um I didn't, it just didn't. I mean, it's not that I was bored necessarily. There were bits in there that I could pick out that were funny, but it seemed like it would have been much better off as just a play.

00:18:50.45
Clifton Campbell
Sure.

00:18:57.27
Ben
But I don't know. It was... made

00:18:58.16
Marty Ketola
It's a tricky one to translate into a film. Yeah, because so many words and subtleties that would play better on the stage.

00:19:01.33
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, I mean, I'm,

00:19:07.48
Clifton Campbell
especially Especially when you're captive in that room with the with the actors and you're one-on-one like that, I can see i can see definitely it playing a bit differently.

00:19:07.61
Ben
me...

00:19:12.11
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:19:13.36
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:13.66
Andrew Coltrin
yeah, yeah, no, I definitely, all around, yeah, and I also think, like, on another level, I think as a film, this is the kind of thing where, like,

00:19:15.61
Marty Ketola
All the wordplay and stuff, yeah.

00:19:18.10
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:19:25.72
Andrew Coltrin
watching it in a movie theater is probably a better experience than watching it at home because you're like, Oh, I've committed to being in this space in this experience where like, you know, I got my DVD that I picked up from the library and I'm playing it in the background while I'm doing other stuff.

00:19:34.12
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:19:42.23
Andrew Coltrin
Like, and I'm like, that's not as authentic an experience.

00:19:42.33
Clifton Campbell
Right, right,

00:19:46.07
Andrew Coltrin
And

00:19:46.49
Drew
Dan Bordelon, couldn't find my I thought I had a DVD so I had to watch it on YouTube, which was not the best way why it's like you know commercials every 15 minutes it's like or sometimes faster so that's that kind of broke up the whole experience.

00:19:50.26
Marty Ketola
Oh, wow.

00:19:52.54
Clifton Campbell
brutal.

00:19:53.40
Andrew Coltrin
yeah. Yeah.

00:19:55.86
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:20:01.20
Drew
Bordelon, The.

00:20:01.66
Marty Ketola
But a lot of critics say that that was one of the problems is it it didn't translate because there's so much...

00:20:02.46
Clifton Campbell
It, it, it worked.

00:20:07.77
Marty Ketola
ah verbal stuff in it that plays so much better on the stage that a lot of the critics were like, look, it's, it's enjoyable, but it doesn't give you a lot of, if you're not a theater kid, you're looking for context to grab onto.

00:20:10.93
Clifton Campbell
It's...

00:20:20.38
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, you need...

00:20:20.20
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:20:20.94
Clifton Campbell
you First off, you need to know Hamlet, which means you're probably either big into Shakespeare or you're a theater kid, to really for it to really pay off, right?

00:20:26.04
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. point.

00:20:27.58
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, you're either a literature kid or a theater kid. and Yeah.

00:20:29.78
Clifton Campbell
Exactly.

00:20:29.79
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:20:30.54
Clifton Campbell
Exactly.

00:20:30.49
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:20:31.14
Clifton Campbell
And then what you've watched Tom Stopper do is basically turn Hamlet into a two hour version of who's on first with Abbott and Costello.

00:20:30.67
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:20:38.93
Andrew Coltrin
Yep.

00:20:39.67
Clifton Campbell
Right. And where you're just like, Fuck me, this this joke was running a long time here. whole And there are there are really brilliant moments in it, but there are also just some fucking flat spots.

00:20:46.74
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:20:52.37
Clifton Campbell
where like I had to watch this movie twice this week because I've seen this movie four fucking times, and I still cannot tell you the plot or the structure of this movie. it it like it It's like I have a smooth brain.

00:21:01.33
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:21:04.45
Clifton Campbell
It will not stick. It slides right off like a fucking...

00:21:05.53
Marty Ketola
This tough one.

00:21:07.29
Clifton Campbell
like an egg on a Teflon pan, dude.

00:21:07.70
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:09.33
Clifton Campbell
It just goes, shoom. And I'm not saying i I don't enjoy it when I watch it. I just, for some reason, I don't remember it. It's not a memorable movie for me.

00:21:17.88
Marty Ketola
You become Rosencrantz.

00:21:18.59
Clifton Campbell
And, and,

00:21:18.74
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:20.47
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, sort of.

00:21:21.02
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:21:21.39
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. And and then ah and it and it it sort of tends to start to wear on me with the, again, that it seems like ah the joke begins to run long and stay too long, right?

00:21:21.98
Marty Ketola
oh

00:21:29.99
Clifton Campbell
It's like a party guest.

00:21:29.78
Marty Ketola
and I just thought it was a little long.

00:21:30.75
Clifton Campbell
that You're like, fucking, let's go, dude.

00:21:31.02
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:21:32.62
Clifton Campbell
Get out, man. Like i'm um I'm putting the chips and dip up and like the wife's vacuuming. Get the fuck out. Come on, man.

00:21:37.62
Marty Ketola
But at the same time, I understand why it's doing all that because it has, you know, what, what could you cut?

00:21:38.14
Clifton Campbell
Party's up.

00:21:38.19
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:21:41.21
Clifton Campbell
I do too.

00:21:41.98
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:21:43.38
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:21:43.42
Clifton Campbell
Right. Absolutely.

00:21:43.83
Ben
restaurant and I can recognize the actors are doing a fabulous job in their roles.

00:21:47.35
Marty Ketola
Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:21:48.74
Ben
I mean, I can recognize that.

00:21:49.24
Clifton Campbell
yes

00:21:50.68
Ben
But just, I was talking to Andrew about this earlier. It made me feel dumb. It was like, why is this not connecting with me?

00:22:00.82
Ben
why why is it Why am I not understanding these things?

00:22:00.98
Drew
Yeah.

00:22:03.86
Ben
And the things I picked out, like he said, with the with the physics things that he was doing,

00:22:08.89
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:22:09.08
Ben
And that kind of, that was one of the things that I noticed, but now knowing that it's not in the play is kind of like, okay, well, you know, that was an interesting bit, but if it wasn't initially in the play, why was it put there?

00:22:10.08
Andrew Coltrin
You

00:22:15.25
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:22:23.22
Ben
You know?

00:22:23.48
Clifton Campbell
did you, did you put blue thunder on afterwards to kind of make yourself feel smarter? Like feel better? Not everything. We were like, I fucking understand this. I get it. Fucking attack helicopters.

00:22:33.65
Clifton Campbell
And I get all this shit.

00:22:33.95
Marty Ketola
Look, he understood that movie and I didn't.

00:22:34.99
Clifton Campbell
Fucking stupid ass cookie cookie with his stupid ass fucking call sign.

00:22:35.40
Ben
I, I had a,

00:22:36.79
Marty Ketola
So I'm the one who needed Blue Thunder explained it to him.

00:22:38.69
Clifton Campbell
So, you know,

00:22:39.67
Ben
i hope the audience can hear me I hope the audience can hear my eyes rolling.

00:22:44.87
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:22:48.55
Drew
well this is a definite palate cleanser from us watching the Fast and Furious movies which we are watching through the wife and I we just hit the fate of the furious yeah well with even within that franchise from the first one to this one you're like how did it get here with a submarine chasing everybody across the ice like you know

00:22:57.37
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, that's a big shift. Mm-hmm.

00:23:00.28
Ben
and

00:23:05.95
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:23:08.92
Clifton Campbell
i still I still stand on

00:23:09.56
Marty Ketola
That's what this movie needed, a submarine.

00:23:11.22
Clifton Campbell
i

00:23:11.97
Drew
yeah

00:23:12.63
Clifton Campbell
I stand on business that Fast Five is the most meta MST thing you'll ever fucking watch in your entire life. Every line of that movie is a joke and like a wink at the audience. Like, right?

00:23:23.25
Clifton Campbell
Huh? Huh? Elbow nudge, elbow nudge.

00:23:23.91
Drew
Yeah.

00:23:25.71
Clifton Campbell
Isn't this fucking great? It's hilarious.

00:23:28.43
Drew
Yeah.

00:23:28.82
Ben
See, now that's what Fast and Furious needs as Hamlet. That's what it means.

00:23:32.69
Clifton Campbell
Oh, God.

00:23:32.95
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, oh, don't get.

00:23:32.56
Marty Ketola
They'll get there. They'll get there.

00:23:33.88
Ben
if i hope he does

00:23:34.03
Drew
Well, I mean, we take it pretty dramatically.

00:23:34.87
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:23:37.34
Drew
So there are some really soap opera-ish things that happen in that period.

00:23:40.12
Marty Ketola
It's all about family, right?

00:23:41.21
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:23:42.26
Drew
I think.

00:23:42.25
Ben
what's it Wasn't there...

00:23:42.38
Clifton Campbell
It's all about family. It's true.

00:23:44.60
Ben
wasn't there um There was a movie where they made fun of like a gun-toting Hamlet kind of thing with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I don't know.

00:23:53.66
Drew
Yeah, that was Last Action Hero.

00:23:54.06
Ben
it's

00:23:55.06
Drew
That was one of the movies that his character in Last Action Hero is this version of Hamlet.

00:23:55.50
Ben
That's what it was.

00:23:57.37
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:23:57.30
Marty Ketola
More meta.

00:23:58.30
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:23:58.52
Ben
Yes.

00:23:58.86
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:23:59.26
Ben
yes

00:24:00.57
Clifton Campbell
Yes. And of course you get Hamlet to the movie about the guy who tries to do sequel to Hamlet at the high school.

00:24:00.92
Drew
Yeah.

00:24:01.34
Andrew Coltrin
Ooh.

00:24:02.30
Ben
Well, yeah.

00:24:03.10
Drew
Yeah.

00:24:04.66
Ben
Oh, right. Right.

00:24:06.10
Marty Ketola
Set here in Tucson.

00:24:06.65
Clifton Campbell
Holy shit.

00:24:07.16
Ben
Yeah.

00:24:07.35
Drew
Yeah.

00:24:08.25
Clifton Campbell
So fucking good.

00:24:08.47
Drew
and

00:24:09.72
Ben
Well, and that's the thing too. It's like these, these things that kind of investigate a different, I mean, I can, I don't know. I would rather, and in, in this movie, let me just say I'm sorry.

00:24:22.39
Ben
I'm i'm going all over the place. Cause it's like, I'm trying to think of this.

00:24:24.06
Clifton Campbell
Go for it

00:24:24.11
Drew
It's Yeah.

00:24:26.20
Ben
It's with these, it's got actual bits of the play itself in it. Right. So I was in there observing these things, right.

00:24:31.51
Clifton Campbell
it. Yes.

00:24:35.02
Ben
So I'm trying to pick out what those bits are, but since i'm I don't really have a vast knowledge of the play, you know, maybe I'm in the same boat as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and I'm just kind of like, okay, well, this kind of alludes to something that could go wrong or whatever, but I'm kind of in that boat.

00:24:45.15
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:24:57.00
Ben
So I guess it's successful in that sense. It's like I'm in the same boat as those characters, no pun intended.

00:24:59.63
Drew
yeah

00:25:04.29
Drew
well hamlet itself has you know a play within the play which we see them rehearsing uh the bit in the in the kitchen the dumb show they're doing in the kitchen is the end of actual the actual end of hamlet uh you know where you know

00:25:04.41
Clifton Campbell
o you know You know, Cliff Notes would be a good version too. Right.

00:25:19.05
Ben
Right. Right.

00:25:22.22
Drew
they're having the sword fight and the mother drinks the poison and all of that stuff. That's the actual ending of the actual play that they are doing before the play actually ends in the reality of the movie, which is interesting within that.

00:25:35.19
Clifton Campbell
See, it'd be nice to have like a Cliff Notes version or like ah like a pop-up videos version of Rosencrantz and Gildestern or Deb where they're like, and this is the part where this is the part from Hamlet or this is the part for this.

00:25:37.98
Drew
Yeah.

00:25:44.38
Drew
Yeah. Okay. Well, then it's interesting because they have the puppet show within the play within the play, which is the people in the play watching what they just did in the play, but with puppets.

00:25:48.25
Clifton Campbell
This is a reference to this.

00:26:00.31
Drew
And then they cut to the king watching them do it in the play, which was really very like Inception-ish, which was like a play within a play within a play.

00:26:03.26
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:26:09.88
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:26:10.36
Drew
Yeah.

00:26:10.58
Ben
Thank goodness it wasn't like Meet the Feebles.

00:26:10.72
Drew
It was... Yeah.

00:26:11.86
Andrew Coltrin
A hat on a hat, as it were.

00:26:13.27
Drew
Yeah.

00:26:13.69
Clifton Campbell
kind

00:26:14.26
Drew
Yeah, so he did some interesting stuff with it, you know, play-wise, but

00:26:18.39
Clifton Campbell
I love the 14th century cheeseburger at Big Mac he builds where he's just like, huh?

00:26:20.86
Drew
that, yeah. Just some of the stuff that they do with Frozen Prance is great.

00:26:22.20
Marty Ketola
um been it a big one

00:26:23.92
Clifton Campbell
Huh? Fucking boom. Fun.

00:26:26.69
Drew
That's, you know, but yeah.

00:26:27.09
Marty Ketola
that's what was like is this movie just going to be him flipping a coin for 90 minutes

00:26:28.47
Drew
but like i Like I said, I love watching these performances, and I like the play, um but yeah, it's it's ah it's good.

00:26:38.68
Drew
I like a lot of other Top Stoppers stuff, too, but But yes, you're right.

00:26:42.06
Clifton Campbell
It seems like

00:26:42.73
Drew
It is better it is better on stage. um

00:26:45.40
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. It seems like a real actor's type of play.

00:26:46.20
Drew
But I'd still of like the movie for what it is.

00:26:48.59
Marty Ketola
it's like when they say the the book was better right they say the play was better

00:26:49.28
Drew
and The best way... and Yeah, we did this once and they've done it several times where you do you do Hamlet and Rosencrantz and Guildenstern as a rep.

00:26:51.93
Clifton Campbell
Right. Yeah.

00:26:59.45
Drew
So like one night you do Hamlet, the next night you do Rosencrantz.

00:27:00.42
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:27:02.25
Drew
And you use the same actors for both plays.

00:27:02.33
Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

00:27:03.21
Clifton Campbell
Oh, fun. Yeah, fun.

00:27:07.10
Drew
Which would be...

00:27:07.55
Andrew Coltrin
That's fun.

00:27:07.76
Drew
It's really fun to go. You go see that. You go...

00:27:12.22
Drew
Yeah, that was fun. We did that we did that and in Phoenix several years ago. That was during the run of shows where I was playing people at least three times my age because I was in my 30s and I was playing Colonious.

00:27:24.25
Drew
So I'm playing an old man at least twice my age. Yeah.

00:27:28.50
Clifton Campbell
our Our theater director made me do that over and over again in high school. i don't I always got the old man parts.

00:27:32.56
Drew
Yeah.

00:27:34.10
Clifton Campbell
I don't know why the fuck that was, but I always... I had more gray shit in my hair through junior year, sophomore and junior year.

00:27:37.87
Ben
Don't cloak that.

00:27:41.94
Marty Ketola
Yeah, and he had he had me do Tom Stopper play, actually.

00:27:42.46
Ben
You got the old man part of

00:27:42.62
Clifton Campbell
Kidding

00:27:43.16
Drew
Anyway, i have stupid i have I have forced you guys to watch that, so I thank you for your patience.

00:27:46.68
Clifton Campbell
me.

00:27:50.15
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:27:49.95
Marty Ketola
Well, I've seen it before.

00:27:52.06
Clifton Campbell
My favorite quote from it is... you call that an ending with practically everyone on their feet.

00:27:58.65
Drew
Yes.

00:27:58.76
Clifton Campbell
That's my, that's my favorite line from the movie.

00:27:58.77
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. ah

00:27:59.35
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:28:01.23
Clifton Campbell
I thought it was fucking great.

00:28:01.85
Drew
I love the I don't believe in it anyways, what, just the conspiracy of cartographers then, England.

00:28:10.36
Drew
Yes.

00:28:11.33
Ben
Thank

00:28:11.80
Drew
There's a lot of fun wordplay and wordplay is fun to do on stage. So I guess as an actor, that's part of the reason you like because you watch it and you go like, hey, that I can do. I can have fun playing.

00:28:19.86
Clifton Campbell
it reminds me It reminds me of Mamet. Like, if you've ever read any Mamet, like, you can get lost in his wordplay, where you're like, wait, wait, was that is he saying that back, or are you saying that to me?

00:28:23.97
Drew
Yeah.

00:28:32.66
Clifton Campbell
Wait a minute.

00:28:32.81
Drew
Yeah.

00:28:33.18
Clifton Campbell
And then you have to start over again and kind of go through the the lines to fit kind of, not I mean, it's clearly like actor one, actor two type, you know, it's it's it's noted, but when you go through the flow of it, suddenly it

00:28:38.40
Andrew Coltrin
you

00:28:41.20
Drew
Yeah.

00:28:45.55
Clifton Campbell
it's It's weird. Everything turns on you having that moment where you say, what? Or, and? you know and Without those moments, it doesn't work.

00:28:52.82
Drew
Yes.

00:28:55.18
Clifton Campbell
It's it's it's wild. Anyway.

00:28:58.30
Drew
Did you guys, speaking of, and I don't want to throw it off things, but we talked about State and Maine before, right?

00:29:04.47
Clifton Campbell
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm big fan of that one.

00:29:05.37
Drew
I think, yeah. that's a

00:29:06.76
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:29:07.61
Drew
Speaking of things that written by and directed by the person who did it, and that's sort of meta. like if the other guys If the other people have not seen State and Maine, you should watch it. That's

00:29:18.62
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, that's a good one.

00:29:18.84
Drew
about making a small um a a small movie in a small town and the craziness that happens.

00:29:24.10
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:29:24.53
Drew
But that definitely has this.

00:29:24.83
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

00:29:25.97
Drew
It actually has a lot of similarity with the with the writing to this one where, you know.

00:29:32.98
Clifton Campbell
There's a, um I have a Shakespeare and Mammoth joke, if you'd like to hear it.

00:29:37.40
Drew
Yeah, go ahead.

00:29:38.52
Clifton Campbell
Okay, so ah there's a bum and he's sitting in an alleyway which is outside near a stage door, right? and Near a theater. And a guy goes walking by and and he asks the guy for some change, business guy.

00:29:47.14
Drew
Yeah.

00:29:52.60
Clifton Campbell
And the business guy points at the stage door and says, neither a bar nor Lender B buddy, that's Shakespeare. And starts to walk away and that bum goes, well, fuck you. That's David Mamet.

00:30:02.12
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:02.90
Drew
yeah

00:30:03.36
Clifton Campbell
So that's my Shakespeare and Mamet joke.

00:30:05.62
Drew
That is true.

00:30:07.07
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:30:07.42
Drew
yeah

00:30:11.26
Drew
Anyway.

00:30:12.86
Marty Ketola
Yeah, this one reminded me kind of like Repo Man a little bit or i Heart Huckabees, where it's just people talking philosophy and stuff like and conspiracies for like a whole 90 minutes.

00:30:23.39
Drew
Ah, repo man.

00:30:23.34
Marty Ketola
But I did enjoy this one. The only thing I remembered about it was the dropping the ball and the feather at the same time. When we got to that part, I'm like, I have seen this before, but I didn't remember anything else, strangely enough.

00:30:29.91
Drew
Yes.

00:30:30.72
Ben
I

00:30:34.78
Drew
You would think that this falls faster than this.

00:30:37.14
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:30:37.66
Drew
You would be absolutely correct.

00:30:37.53
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:30:40.76
Clifton Campbell
you

00:30:40.91
Ben
also remember, that was the the the thing that I remember is the little perpetual motion um balls thing.

00:30:45.61
Andrew Coltrin
yeah yeah like nope don't don't don't use terracotta for that that doesn't work

00:30:45.47
Marty Ketola
Oh yeah.

00:30:46.10
Drew
Oh, yeah.

00:30:46.32
Ben
That was in the like that, you

00:30:45.95
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:30:49.56
Drew
Any break?

00:30:51.81
Ben
know.

00:30:52.24
Drew
No.

00:30:54.27
Ben
Andrew, what did you think about it?

00:30:55.99
Andrew Coltrin
what do i think oh um I liked it a lot. I mean, this is just like one of my old favorites. um And just, I don't know, maybe it's just because of my own

00:31:09.85
Andrew Coltrin
feelings of being lost in the world a lot of my life, sort of like wandering around what the hell is going on. i think I just sort of identified with that, with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern's plight of like,

00:31:23.45
Andrew Coltrin
I don't understand the rules of this situation and it's going on around me and I'm supposed to do this thing, but then I don't. And then, oh, they all moved on Okay. And yeah.

00:31:31.52
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:31:31.88
Andrew Coltrin
So there's something about that kind of spoke to me.

00:31:32.08
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

00:31:32.23
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:35.25
Ben
Yeah.

00:31:35.36
Andrew Coltrin
And then, I mean, also the fact that like when I realized that it was connected to our other movie,

00:31:44.79
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:31:46.01
Andrew Coltrin
because strange brew was like a movie I watched almost every day after school in sixth grade. And it wasn't until later when the, the Franco Zeffirelli Hamlet came out, the one that Mel Gibson was in and was watching that. And I was like, they ripped this off from strange brew.

00:32:06.14
Clifton Campbell
ah

00:32:07.38
Andrew Coltrin
Wait a minute.

00:32:08.18
Clifton Campbell
<unk>

00:32:08.30
Andrew Coltrin
Wait, I know this story.

00:32:09.66
Clifton Campbell
These sons of bitches.

00:32:10.56
Drew
Elsemore? What?

00:32:11.16
Andrew Coltrin
Wait.

00:32:12.74
Drew
Ghosts?

00:32:14.71
Clifton Campbell
So what do you ah what do you give it?

00:32:14.78
Drew
The uncle marries the father marries the mother?

00:32:14.81
Andrew Coltrin
So, so,

00:32:17.32
Drew
Yeah.

00:32:17.98
Clifton Campbell
Out of five stars, Andrew, what would you give it?

00:32:20.09
Andrew Coltrin
i'm go I give it five.

00:32:22.07
Clifton Campbell
Oh, shit, Andrew going five stars.

00:32:23.32
Andrew Coltrin
Just because it's one of my classic favorites.

00:32:24.01
Clifton Campbell
Bold. Bold.

00:32:25.12
Andrew Coltrin
But, you know, I'm biased, I guess.

00:32:26.05
Clifton Campbell
All right.

00:32:28.80
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:32:29.44
Drew
Yeah.

00:32:30.55
Clifton Campbell
Ben, what do you think

00:32:32.89
Ben
I decline to answer the question.

00:32:34.55
Clifton Campbell
you think? No, no, no, no, no.

00:32:37.99
Andrew Coltrin
Ben's mad at it because it made him feel dumb.

00:32:40.09
Ben
Yeah.

00:32:40.34
Drew
How many cantaloupes? Yeah.

00:32:42.01
Ben
all that but And you, you, you pointed out, Andrew, that it was like the whole thing there with the going through life, like kind of like, what am I supposed to do? What am I, this or that ah I don't connect with that. Cause it's just like, I just go on the adventure generally. You know what i mean?

00:32:59.32
Ben
So maybe that's why I'm still trying to figure out why it didn't.

00:33:01.48
Marty Ketola
You're the Richard Dreyfuss.

00:33:03.67
Ben
Maybe, maybe. maybe

00:33:04.73
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah,

00:33:04.74
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

00:33:05.72
Clifton Campbell
Or maybe your Hamlet.

00:33:05.75
Andrew Coltrin
maybe.

00:33:07.03
Ben
and I'm not a very rich marine biographer. Anyway, no, I'm not. but But i that's, would you guys, would you guys think any less of me if i if I said two?

00:33:16.44
Clifton Campbell
this

00:33:19.61
Ben
Okay.

00:33:20.09
Andrew Coltrin
No, no.

00:33:20.15
Clifton Campbell
No.

00:33:20.77
Drew
Yeah.

00:33:20.47
Marty Ketola
No, you're pretty close to me, actually. Yeah.

00:33:23.69
Ben
Okay, because it just,

00:33:24.21
Clifton Campbell
Marty, what are what are you giving it? Oh, so good. Sorry. Go ahead, Ben.

00:33:27.61
Ben
Oh, no, I was just going to say, I mean, I can recognize the actors are great.

00:33:29.38
Andrew Coltrin
Thank you.

00:33:30.93
Ben
I can recognize that the scenery, it's like, it's got a cohesive message, vision, whatever he wanted, to but it just didn't connect with me.

00:33:35.98
Clifton Campbell
I hear

00:33:39.97
Ben
And

00:33:40.22
Clifton Campbell
i hear you. Yep.

00:33:41.40
Ben
You know, it seems like it would be better as just seeing it as a play.

00:33:42.38
Clifton Campbell
it's so

00:33:45.48
Ben
I would I would much rather the low tech, the more intimate kind of personal sort of connection um to to a movie about this.

00:33:53.65
Drew
Yeah. I get it. Yeah.

00:33:57.46
Ben
So.

00:33:58.04
Drew
and can get it

00:33:59.32
Ben
So, yeah.

00:33:59.66
Clifton Campbell
Marty?

00:34:00.22
Marty Ketola
And it was the only movie Tom Stoppard ever directed, too. So, you know, you he hadn't...

00:34:04.06
Clifton Campbell
Very true. Very true.

00:34:06.07
Marty Ketola
And what a what weird, tricky one to try to adapt as your as your first film.

00:34:06.64
Andrew Coltrin
you

00:34:11.29
Marty Ketola
I was giving it a two as well as you because, as reasons I said earlier, like i I couldn't find ah an entry point. It was like, where do I... grasp into this, but hearing our conversation made me go, you know, I feel a little bit about the wandering as well. So I give it two and a half because I can't fault the performances in it. These people are acting their asses off, but I get a little lost, but yet I feel like maybe I'm supposed to be lost.

00:34:37.75
Marty Ketola
So two and a half.

00:34:39.12
Drew
Yeah.

00:34:41.11
Clifton Campbell
What about you, Drew?

00:34:42.26
Drew
Well, I got to give it a five because, you know, there you go. But that's, I am i have a theater nerd.

00:34:47.40
Ben
Theater nerds.

00:34:48.30
Marty Ketola
Good dynamics.

00:34:49.47
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. yeah

00:34:50.98
Drew
I'm a weird.

00:34:51.34
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm. I just feel like the fucking smart people in the room are giving it fives, and us idiots are like, our students are like, put Blue Thunder on.

00:34:55.22
Ben
Yeah, thanks, man.

00:34:55.64
Drew
Okay.

00:34:57.93
Clifton Campbell
It's better.

00:34:59.69
Marty Ketola
I couldn't understand that movie either.

00:35:00.50
Clifton Campbell
God damn it. Yes.

00:35:02.14
Drew
My wife is very, very intelligent. She didn't care for it. So, you know, it's not a...

00:35:05.17
Marty Ketola
think it was Shider the helicopter.

00:35:05.82
Drew
it's

00:35:06.76
Marty Ketola
I know you explain it.

00:35:08.63
Clifton Campbell
Yes.

00:35:08.50
Marty Ketola
i

00:35:09.62
Drew
um and No, it's it's just... ah it's And I'm a weird theater guy. Like, I like being in theater. I just don't watch a lot of theater.

00:35:17.70
Clifton Campbell
Same.

00:35:18.91
Drew
It's like, I do stuff here in town. And ah we're helping out. Like, Kristen belongs to this old Pueblo playwright, so they do playwriting and stuff. And then everybody's like, hey, Drew, do you know something? I don't know any of the actors. I don't go to any of the plays. just, I'd show up and do stuff.

00:35:33.78
Drew
for other people and then i don't go to see any theater i'm just in the theater because i like doing theater i'm not as much to be watching theater mostly because i'm the kind of guy that's going to sit there watch the performance go that's not how i would have done that and so it's hard yeah it's hard for me to yeah it's hard for me to to do it because i'm going to be sitting there critiquing the performances the whole time and it's just not good for people

00:35:33.30
Marty Ketola
ah

00:35:46.92
Clifton Campbell
He's the little Dutch boy of theaters.

00:35:46.49
Marty Ketola
m

00:35:49.74
Marty Ketola
All

00:35:50.94
Clifton Campbell
Shows up in that's how ah That's how I conquered him.

00:36:00.69
Drew
Which is why the reason I can usually watch horror films and I don't get really scared because I'm like, I know how they do that. Like, you know, that's oh a fake blood and whatever.

00:36:05.79
Marty Ketola
right.

00:36:08.17
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:36:08.09
Marty Ketola
Ooh, foam latex.

00:36:11.61
Drew
But in any case, yes, it is one of my favorite theatrical sort of plays or movie turn up there with noises off, which is hilarious if you haven't seen that.

00:36:19.51
Clifton Campbell
Oh, I love that one. um Yeah, that's a good one.

00:36:20.86
Drew
You know, there was some other good play adaptations.

00:36:20.78
Marty Ketola
Well, we'll get to that one at some point too.

00:36:23.42
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, definitely.

00:36:25.42
Drew
But anyway, Cliff, what do you think

00:36:27.12
Marty Ketola
Well, Cliff, are you going to throw the ah this sliding scale on?

00:36:31.05
Clifton Campbell
I'm going to go two and a half, Marty.

00:36:32.15
Marty Ketola
anything you go

00:36:32.70
Clifton Campbell
I got to go right in the middle.

00:36:33.03
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:34.30
Clifton Campbell
It's, it's again, it's a movie that I, I have watched four times and I can't honestly, any other movie that I have watched four times, I could tell you start to end the movie.

00:36:39.98
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:36:44.38
Clifton Campbell
This thing it's slippery. I can't seem to, I feel, and I'm with Ben. I makes me feel stupid at times where I'm just like, this is, this is a smart fucking movie.

00:36:49.78
Marty Ketola
Well, I know they flip a coin and then they're dead. So that's the beginning and end.

00:36:53.30
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. This is a smart fucking movie for sure. There's a lot going on There's layers to it, you know, and I feel like the, and I also i agreed.

00:37:00.26
Marty Ketola
It's very dry though.

00:37:03.24
Clifton Campbell
And I feel like if you're a theater kid or if you've done a lot of, ah if you're a Shakespeare guy, you're going this thing's going to talk to you a lot more than, than if you aren't.

00:37:10.50
Drew
Yeah.

00:37:11.18
Clifton Campbell
Right. And so for me, two and a half, cause I'm not Shakespeare guy. I respect his work. I just don't, but I don't, I don't you have ah dug into his catalog very much. So I liked Shakespeare in love.

00:37:18.70
Marty Ketola
I've certainly seen the MST episode of Hamlet million times.

00:37:21.33
Clifton Campbell
Does that count? Anyway.

00:37:21.90
Marty Ketola
Oh,

00:37:22.88
Drew
You've seen 10 things I hate about you, right?

00:37:23.92
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah, exactly.

00:37:26.03
Drew
That's, yeah.

00:37:26.21
Marty Ketola
yeah.

00:37:27.39
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:37:28.37
Drew
You're clueless.

00:37:28.85
Ben
didn't an LA story have a lot of things from uh from uh Shakespeare in it too that was a that was another LA story Steve Martin yep

00:37:29.93
Drew
Clueless is the, yeah.

00:37:36.82
Clifton Campbell
Ellie Story, I think you might be right about that.

00:37:37.17
Drew
Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole the whole ah graveyard scene with Rick Moranis that's great in that.

00:37:38.65
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:37:38.63
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:37:41.74
Ben
yep yep

00:37:43.57
Drew
That's one of my favorite versions of that scene is that.

00:37:43.07
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:37:46.41
Marty Ketola
That's a good T up there because it's episode.

00:37:48.76
Drew
Well, I just did a play, speaking of Steve Martin, to talk about you know intellectual stuff that people don't expect from a guy who you know started out doing King Tut and Rubber Faces.

00:37:50.07
Marty Ketola
go ahead.

00:37:57.51
Ben
Wild and crazy guy.

00:37:59.23
Drew
But we did down here in Green Valley, we did the Picasso de L'Apanogile that steve Steve Martin wrote, which is a really odd play about Picasso meeting Einstein in like 1905 and

00:38:13.35
Clifton Campbell
He's written some weird stuff. Yeah.

00:38:17.08
Drew
and you know And then Elvis shows up at the end. and there's a whole you know So it was fun.

00:38:21.08
Clifton Campbell
Awesome.

00:38:20.63
Marty Ketola
um as he does.

00:38:21.49
Drew
I got to play the bartender. So I just got to be there and go, what are these morons talking about the whole time? And to feed them drinks.

00:38:26.04
Marty Ketola
ah

00:38:27.25
Drew
But um yeah, he iss a very he's a very interesting actor, director, writer.

00:38:34.79
Ben
Yeah.

00:38:35.64
Drew
Yeah, it's just fascinating, Steve Martin is. But anyway, that's the whole separate movie.

00:38:40.21
Clifton Campbell
So fun bit of fun bit of trivia here, guys.

00:38:39.96
Marty Ketola
Well,

00:38:43.01
Clifton Campbell
Do you know who was originally tapped to play Richard Dreyfuss's part in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead?

00:38:49.90
Drew
That

00:38:50.91
Clifton Campbell
Sean motherfucking Connery.

00:38:52.91
Andrew Coltrin
What?

00:38:53.28
Drew
would have been interesting.

00:38:54.10
Andrew Coltrin
oh

00:38:54.26
Drew
Another

00:38:54.30
Clifton Campbell
you know do you Do you know what role hes so he skipped out for?

00:38:53.98
Marty Ketola
Wow.

00:38:54.61
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

00:38:58.36
Clifton Campbell
Do you know what role he went he took instead?

00:39:01.09
Marty Ketola
i'm worth what it was

00:39:02.04
Clifton Campbell
the The Russian in fucking Hunt for Red October.

00:39:04.86
Marty Ketola
october well you know

00:39:05.43
Drew
Wow, there we go.

00:39:05.74
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

00:39:06.55
Marty Ketola
one classic for another i guess

00:39:07.29
Andrew Coltrin
You know?

00:39:07.39
Ben
He made the right

00:39:07.93
Clifton Campbell
Eh...

00:39:08.66
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, i bet I bet he's got a lot residuals off of that one.

00:39:11.48
Clifton Campbell
Probably a better probably a better career move honestly.

00:39:12.80
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:39:14.07
Drew
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:14.16
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:39:13.69
Marty Ketola
better finance

00:39:14.36
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

00:39:14.52
Marty Ketola
twice definitely well it's episode four twenty of the show so what better way to get intellectual in

00:39:21.35
Andrew Coltrin
What?

00:39:24.66
Marty Ketola
Talk about beer.

00:39:27.23
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

00:39:26.78
Marty Ketola
Because we decided to do a beer movie on 420.

00:39:27.36
Drew
Yeah.

00:39:27.38
Andrew Coltrin
beer

00:39:29.54
Marty Ketola
It's actually episode 128, but it's season four, episode 20.

00:39:33.82
Andrew Coltrin
oh

00:39:34.07
Marty Ketola
So let's see. What is the DC cab of Canada known as Strange Crew? Because we just watched that one and that didn't make a lot of sense to me either. 1983. What a weird year, but

00:39:48.54
Clifton Campbell
Strange Brew.

00:39:48.12
Marty Ketola
what is it

00:39:49.89
Clifton Campbell
Strange Brew, original title, The Adventures of Bob and Doug McKenzie Strange Brew. From 1983, it's rated PG. It's an hour and 30 minutes long. Here's your log line. ah canada's Canada's most famous hosers, Bob and Doug McKenzie, get jobs at the Elsinore Brewery, only to learn that something is rotten with the state of it.

00:39:57.98
Marty Ketola
PG, really?

00:40:07.82
Clifton Campbell
The state of Elsinore? No.

00:40:09.05
Andrew Coltrin
Something rotten in the state of Denmark.

00:40:11.63
Clifton Campbell
Directors Rick Moranis, Dave Thomas, stars Rick Moranis, Dave Thomas, written by surprise Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas. Your storyline. Let's see here. Something is rotten at the Elsinore Brewery. Bob and Doug McKenzie, as seen on SCTV, helped the brewery founder's daughter, Pam, regain the brewery founded by her recently deceased father. But to do so, they must confront the suspicious brewmaster and two teams of vicious hockey players.

00:40:36.02
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah, there's hockey because it's Canada.

00:40:38.30
Drew
Yeah, the hockey stuff is weird

00:40:39.22
Clifton Campbell
Fucking, of course there's hockey.

00:40:39.50
Marty Ketola
That

00:40:40.38
Clifton Campbell
It's fucking Canada, dude. they they would They'd throw this movie out of the fucking country if there wasn't a hockey scene in Are you kidding me?

00:40:44.77
Drew
weird.

00:40:46.18
Andrew Coltrin
That was no goal, eh?

00:40:46.57
Drew
Yeah.

00:40:47.23
Andrew Coltrin
He was in the crease.

00:40:48.66
Clifton Campbell
yeah

00:40:48.78
Ben
isn't a thing

00:40:50.01
Clifton Campbell
Isn't the Greek saying...

00:40:51.96
Drew
and

00:40:52.38
Clifton Campbell
i I stopped you with the power of the force, you hosers.

00:40:52.59
Ben
They're not hockey players. Right.

00:40:54.35
Marty Ketola
is true, yeah.

00:40:56.73
Ben
Yeah, they're they're not hockey players. They're they're people who are in the family side.

00:40:59.62
Clifton Campbell
ros Rosie is, though, right?

00:41:01.24
Ben
Yeah, Rosie.

00:41:01.50
Clifton Campbell
roses and Rosie's...

00:41:01.56
Andrew Coltrin
wrote this.

00:41:01.69
Drew
Yeah.

00:41:02.10
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:41:02.52
Drew
He was a hockey player that went nuts.

00:41:02.58
Clifton Campbell
Rosie's ex-hockey player.

00:41:02.60
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm.

00:41:03.72
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:41:05.32
Ben
Yeah.

00:41:05.40
Clifton Campbell
and

00:41:06.42
Ben
You know, anyway.

00:41:06.54
Drew
Yeah.

00:41:07.76
Andrew Coltrin
That's one does.

00:41:07.93
Clifton Campbell
So, yeah, so this fucking movie.

00:41:08.32
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:41:09.53
Clifton Campbell
So yeah

00:41:11.13
Ben
ah

00:41:11.99
Clifton Campbell
you can't you can't take this thing you can't take this thing seriously from the minute it fucking starts. From the minute it starts, literally Dave Thomas has got a hold of a lion's fucking tail and is going, growl, you hoser, growl.

00:41:23.79
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:41:24.38
Clifton Campbell
Roar, you hoser, roar.

00:41:24.57
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:41:25.37
Clifton Campbell
And I'm like, and then the fucking, he's like, oh shit, he's moving. And they, oh look, you know, it's it's right from the beginning. I remember watching this as a kid. i saw this when I was 11 years old. First time I saw this on cable.

00:41:36.21
Clifton Campbell
And just being fascinated by it because it was by those guys who did the weird version of Saturday Night Live. You know, that weird that weird version that didn't always click and was kind of strange and had the the guy was doing the fucking fake vampire and all that weird shit.

00:41:53.61
Clifton Campbell
You know what i mean?

00:41:53.92
Ben
Count Floyd, don't...

00:41:54.19
Drew
Okay.

00:41:55.26
Clifton Campbell
Camp Floyd, exactly. and so it' And then they made a whole fucking movie about it?

00:41:57.11
Ben
Ooh, steady. Ooh.

00:42:00.83
Clifton Campbell
What? And it was insane. i remember just I remember really loving it as a kid, thinking it was just a perfect mix of comedy and insanity.

00:42:02.10
Marty Ketola
<unk> pregnant

00:42:09.06
Clifton Campbell
When he drinks all that fucking beer, dude, at 11, I am on the floor, especially when his brother comes in.

00:42:11.68
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

00:42:15.42
Clifton Campbell
He's like, no, not there!

00:42:15.19
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:42:16.26
Clifton Campbell
And he's trying to help him and shit.

00:42:17.85
Andrew Coltrin
And then, oh yeah, and then they, luckily, he's there to help out with the fire at the...

00:42:17.90
Clifton Campbell
It's like, ah oh, that feels kind of good.

00:42:19.29
Marty Ketola
Like, oh, that feels good. Uh-huh.

00:42:21.27
Clifton Campbell
Fucking shit.

00:42:24.25
Clifton Campbell
Yes, he's there to help.

00:42:24.35
Drew
Yeah.

00:42:24.37
Marty Ketola
Uh-huh.

00:42:25.17
Clifton Campbell
And that's that's the part where I really lost my shit as like as a kid.

00:42:27.13
Drew
You want a job, son?

00:42:28.09
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:42:28.61
Drew
Yeah.

00:42:28.65
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, he puts it out.

00:42:29.02
Drew
Yeah.

00:42:29.93
Clifton Campbell
He just puts the whole fire out. And then, of course, he's gone back to his normal size. I'm just like, oh, my god It's a fucking Canadian Looney Tunes is what it is.

00:42:35.18
Drew
Yeah,

00:42:35.73
Marty Ketola
whom

00:42:38.81
Ben
Yeah.

00:42:39.38
Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah, and with Mel...

00:42:39.91
Ben
It's not playing.

00:42:41.86
Andrew Coltrin
Mel Blanc is playing the voice of my parents.

00:42:42.93
Ben
Yeah.

00:42:43.00
Drew
yeah Mel Blankton.

00:42:42.58
Marty Ketola
hu

00:42:43.61
Clifton Campbell
it it That is his voice. Okay, that is that is Mel Blanc as the dad.

00:42:45.62
Marty Ketola
behind

00:42:46.78
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:42:46.85
Clifton Campbell
Okay, because one of my notes was, that is that fucking Mel Blanc?

00:42:47.40
Drew
Yeah.

00:42:49.81
Clifton Campbell
Sure enough.

00:42:49.78
Andrew Coltrin
It is fucking Mel Blanc. Yeah.

00:42:51.73
Clifton Campbell
Oh, speaking of fucking watching Bob and Doug as their mother and father in the bedroom is probably the most disturbing fucking thing in that movie where you're just like, oh, close the door, boys.

00:42:51.71
Ben
Yeah.

00:42:55.32
Andrew Coltrin
Oh!

00:42:56.47
Marty Ketola
ah

00:42:57.02
Drew
Yeah.

00:43:00.66
Marty Ketola
Oh, they certainly look like their parents.

00:43:02.12
Ben
Yeah.

00:43:03.61
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah, that's...

00:43:04.60
Clifton Campbell
Oh, oof.

00:43:05.75
Drew
So the guy who played a ah the Rosie, ah just looking at his Wikipedia thing, he's well known as the rebel pilot Dutch Vander Gold leader in Star Wars.

00:43:19.73
Andrew Coltrin
he was gold leader oh he was gold leader

00:43:20.13
Clifton Campbell
Oh,

00:43:20.56
Marty Ketola
Oh.

00:43:21.53
Drew
Yeah.

00:43:21.70
Clifton Campbell
That's amazing.

00:43:24.62
Drew
He's also been in a bunch of, he was in Hellboy. was like, I think that's the opening scene with Sarge. He was the Sarge in Hellboy.

00:43:31.61
Clifton Campbell
Nice.

00:43:32.06
Marty Ketola
So there's more Star Wars relations than just references to Star Wars in the movie.

00:43:33.19
Drew
Yeah.

00:43:37.48
Drew
Yeah.

00:43:37.71
Ben
Yeah.

00:43:38.10
Clifton Campbell
This, this film is, this film is filmed in three B that's three beers.

00:43:38.06
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:43:42.03
Clifton Campbell
Hey, so holds your ra it's a hosurama.

00:43:42.90
Andrew Coltrin
Three beers.

00:43:44.66
Clifton Campbell
So, ah you know,

00:43:45.02
Andrew Coltrin
Osorama, yeah.

00:43:45.94
Drew
Yeah. But there is some pretty good, you know, as far as, Paul Dooley's done like a bunch of stuff.

00:43:53.78
Marty Ketola
Oh, Paul Dooley, yeah.

00:43:54.54
Drew
The one that played the five.

00:43:54.74
Andrew Coltrin
Oh my gosh, it was so great, yeah.

00:43:56.33
Drew
Yeah. He's been in like a billion things.

00:43:57.08
Marty Ketola
We remember him from Breaking it Away.

00:43:59.86
Drew
Yeah.

00:44:00.50
Clifton Campbell
Love him break.

00:44:00.86
Drew
And then, course, Max Val Sidnow.

00:44:01.46
Clifton Campbell
I love that movie period.

00:44:03.29
Drew
site of Max Val Sidnow is just, you know, seventh seal, man.

00:44:05.18
Marty Ketola
More Star Wars.

00:44:06.42
Andrew Coltrin
Exactly, yeah.

00:44:06.59
Clifton Campbell
Can we, can we talk, can we talk about does?

00:44:09.05
Ben
Yeah, what about adventures?

00:44:09.40
Drew
yes

00:44:11.10
Clifton Campbell
Can we talk about his teeth? Can we talk about his fucking, thank you, Ben.

00:44:12.73
Ben
Yeah, exactly.

00:44:13.34
Drew
Oh.

00:44:13.46
Marty Ketola
ah

00:44:14.22
Clifton Campbell
Thank you, Ben. God damn. That dude, he could eat corn through a picket fence.

00:44:17.72
Drew
I think the thing

00:44:20.71
Clifton Campbell
That is the biggest set of fucking front teeth I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:44:25.62
Drew
That's his face. So, you know.

00:44:27.13
Clifton Campbell
No.

00:44:26.84
Marty Ketola
huh

00:44:27.97
Clifton Campbell
Who went and said, well, okay, Max, here's how his dentist, at some point he had to have fought with his dentist. he said, there's no way that my original teeth were this big, doc. And the dentist's like, nope, I measured them.

00:44:38.77
Clifton Campbell
They're fucking 14 inches long.

00:44:39.46
Marty Ketola
Well, that's caps back then too.

00:44:40.97
Clifton Campbell
Let's put these in your mouth. Holy shit.

00:44:41.76
Marty Ketola
You know, dental technology has improved over the years.

00:44:44.04
Andrew Coltrin
Wow.

00:44:44.22
Drew
Yeah.

00:44:44.38
Clifton Campbell
Wow.

00:44:47.42
Marty Ketola
Definitely. Yeah.

00:44:48.80
Andrew Coltrin
Great.

00:44:48.86
Clifton Campbell
I'm not, i mean, I'm not trying to make fun of it, but holy crap, those teeth are, don't they don't fit in his mouth.

00:44:51.96
Drew
Yeah. Very large. No.

00:44:53.82
Marty Ketola
But it's memorable. right Right?

00:44:56.28
Clifton Campbell
Very.

00:44:56.52
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Oh, man.

00:44:59.32
Clifton Campbell
Ben, do you have something to say about Max on C-Dose teeth?

00:45:02.04
Ben
Nope.

00:45:03.32
Clifton Campbell
Okay. All right. said it all for you. Okay.

00:45:04.98
Ben
You said it all for me.

00:45:05.12
Clifton Campbell
No,

00:45:05.98
Ben
I was just kind of scared.

00:45:06.63
Drew
everything that needs to be said has been said

00:45:10.78
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:45:11.30
Ben
He didn't look like that in in Flash Gordon.

00:45:13.56
Clifton Campbell
no now

00:45:16.15
Drew
i don't know maybe they did add teeth i that's the

00:45:18.13
Marty Ketola
And they might have.

00:45:18.81
Clifton Campbell
maybe maybe it was like ah Maybe it was like one of those interim sets of dentures where he was getting the good set made, but he's like, look, i got I got a film to shoot, so what do you got? And the dentist's like rummaging around the drawer and he's like, here's a set.

00:45:31.19
Andrew Coltrin
I got these from a horse.

00:45:31.27
Clifton Campbell
These were fucking, yeah, these were, I think this guy used to play George Washington in a play.

00:45:32.79
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:45:33.21
Drew
yeah

00:45:33.62
Marty Ketola
could have been in the other movie doing the...

00:45:38.21
Clifton Campbell
Here you go, boom, you know.

00:45:39.38
Ben
No, we need more teeth.

00:45:39.22
Marty Ketola
Wow.

00:45:40.78
Ben
More teeth.

00:45:41.75
Clifton Campbell
More teeth.

00:45:41.86
Ben
More teeth in the villain.

00:45:41.78
Marty Ketola
Now, now with more teeth...

00:45:42.68
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, with more teeth,

00:45:44.70
Ben
Yeah.

00:45:44.95
Drew
Yeah.

00:45:47.10
Marty Ketola
ah

00:45:47.85
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:45:48.81
Clifton Campbell
Winona.

00:45:48.38
Marty Ketola
Yeah, so so as I've said before about 1983, I think that that is the strangest year of the 80s because it's the last year of the 70s hangover, but it's still a totally 80s year.

00:45:49.17
Drew
Yeah. Let me

00:45:49.84
Ben
Okay.

00:46:01.47
Marty Ketola
And then the next year it's Ghostbusters and we're full into the 80s as we know it.

00:46:02.71
Drew
hit 1985 and then everything.

00:46:04.75
Marty Ketola
But in 83, you could still put out weird shit.

00:46:07.92
Drew
out

00:46:08.19
Marty Ketola
Yeah, 85 a little too. There's something something bizarre to me about 83 though. Like, because you get Yellowbeard, you get DC Cab, you get this.

00:46:16.13
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yellow beard.

00:46:16.92
Marty Ketola
What was in the water?

00:46:17.57
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

00:46:17.69
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:46:17.96
Marty Ketola
You know.

00:46:18.78
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:46:18.55
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:46:19.48
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. There's a lot of funky shit made in 83 for sure. Absolutely.

00:46:26.10
Drew
When I talk about the color of those police cars, by the way, that's bad.

00:46:29.78
Clifton Campbell
Yellow.

00:46:29.88
Drew
That yellow is just.

00:46:30.26
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

00:46:32.54
Drew
yeah well Those are real squad cars.

00:46:34.55
Clifton Campbell
Really? Canadian squad cars are yellow back then.

00:46:35.45
Drew
Yeah.

00:46:37.23
Clifton Campbell
That's fascinating.

00:46:37.62
Drew
Yeah. That was hurt.

00:46:40.41
Clifton Campbell
um what what what break What wall break number is it when you show the audience watching the movie that you're watching?

00:46:48.89
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:46:49.82
Clifton Campbell
Like it's it's not a fourth.

00:46:49.62
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:46:51.10
Clifton Campbell
What is it like a 12? Is it a sixth?

00:46:53.29
Drew
12th wall. It's cubed, so yeah, 12th wall.

00:46:57.20
Clifton Campbell
12th wall.

00:46:57.24
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, the 12th wall.

00:46:57.74
Clifton Campbell
Okay. Okay.

00:46:58.39
Drew
or no Four times four.

00:46:58.48
Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

00:46:58.72
Clifton Campbell
12th wall. All right.

00:46:59.43
Drew
No, wait.

00:46:59.78
Andrew Coltrin
All right.

00:47:00.15
Drew
Four times the 16th wall. There we go.

00:47:01.82
Ben
you

00:47:02.36
Clifton Campbell
16th wall. Okay. Okay.

00:47:03.21
Drew
Yeah.

00:47:03.51
Ben
You were mentioning the the the meta in in the previous movie. There's also that meta to start off this one, right? So, yeah.

00:47:10.74
Clifton Campbell
Agreed.

00:47:10.81
Drew
Yeah.

00:47:11.93
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah, they're...

00:47:13.27
Clifton Campbell
yeah it's very so It's very self-aware. like This movie's not trying to be anything that it isn't.

00:47:16.13
Ben
Yeah.

00:47:18.61
Ben
Yeah.

00:47:18.81
Clifton Campbell
you know i mean it's it's It's really leaning into it.

00:47:18.87
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, no. We

00:47:19.83
Drew
I mean, when you have a dog flying at the end,

00:47:22.36
Andrew Coltrin
have a dog flying in the end.

00:47:22.47
Drew
with him and no, there's still flying dog in him.

00:47:23.32
Andrew Coltrin
Also not in the original Hamlet. Yeah.

00:47:26.33
Clifton Campbell
ah the

00:47:26.42
Andrew Coltrin
No.

00:47:26.55
Ben
That's okay.

00:47:26.20
Marty Ketola
and ripped off and half-baked yeah

00:47:29.05
Clifton Campbell
Still one of the grossest things as a kid I remember seeing is them pouring that beer into that fucking dog dish and then pouring it into a glass and giving it to their father.

00:47:33.08
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

00:47:34.34
Drew
Oh, yeah.

00:47:36.33
Clifton Campbell
I remember gagging as kid thinking, if somebody did that to me, ah I can't even.

00:47:40.18
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:47:40.70
Marty Ketola
At least they dropped it.

00:47:41.33
Clifton Campbell
guess so.

00:47:41.72
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, you're right. That was the the initial conflict, right?

00:47:43.55
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:47:44.99
Andrew Coltrin
You know.

00:47:46.04
Drew
Yeah.

00:47:45.60
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

00:47:46.17
Andrew Coltrin
then I broke your beard.

00:47:46.27
Clifton Campbell
Weird.

00:47:48.02
Marty Ketola
ah

00:47:48.56
Ben
Yes. Yes.

00:47:50.14
Andrew Coltrin
where they had to go and try to get free beer the next day. Yeah.

00:47:54.30
Drew
That was a weird, i like go into a store like that and then just send out the case as a beer to you.

00:47:59.35
Andrew Coltrin
I guess that's a Canadian beer store. I don't...

00:48:01.59
Clifton Campbell
guess so

00:48:01.59
Drew
Yeah.

00:48:02.49
Andrew Coltrin
I mean, it's...

00:48:02.78
Clifton Campbell
yeah weird

00:48:04.60
Andrew Coltrin
They do things differently in different places. I know Oregon is kind of weird about liquor.

00:48:07.19
Drew
Yeah.

00:48:10.71
Clifton Campbell
Well, I mean, Oklahoma is very weird.

00:48:10.80
Andrew Coltrin
Like...

00:48:12.63
Clifton Campbell
Like you, Oklahoma is one of the only States where you can't get full octane liquor.

00:48:12.89
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:17.91
Clifton Campbell
They just, they just changed that.

00:48:18.22
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:48:19.51
Clifton Campbell
But for, I mean, for the last 50 years, you you had to get what they called near beer or three, two, three, two beer.

00:48:24.98
Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

00:48:26.86
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:48:27.06
Andrew Coltrin
Three, two, yeah.

00:48:28.06
Clifton Campbell
which is basically beer with fucking water poured into it to make it not as – that's why everybody around here has got a beer gut because they drink twice as much fucking beer to get a buzz as everybody, or at least they did.

00:48:28.13
Ben
Yeah.

00:48:32.48
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm.

00:48:38.54
Clifton Campbell
And we we changed our laws recently.

00:48:38.74
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:48:40.54
Clifton Campbell
Like you couldn't get you couldn't get beer – you couldn't get liquor on a Sunday. You couldn't get cold. You go into liquor store, none of it could be in a refrigerated case. All of it had to be warm.

00:48:50.10
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:48:50.46
Clifton Campbell
All these weird fucking rules. Like, and when I lived in Tucson, it was like, oh, you want a Jack Daniels? It's behind the counter at the seven fucking 11.

00:48:56.50
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, right.

00:48:56.74
Clifton Campbell
Pour it into your, pour it into your double gup and double gulp and go to the concert. You'll have a great time. I mean, it was, it's completely different.

00:49:02.62
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah. Yeah, i was like...

00:49:04.76
Marty Ketola
They have it next to the power shot in the Thirst Buster thing.

00:49:05.41
Ben
Yeah.

00:49:07.70
Clifton Campbell
ah Yeah.

00:49:09.03
Andrew Coltrin
yep Right, here we

00:49:08.73
Marty Ketola
Jack Daniels a couple times.

00:49:12.89
Clifton Campbell
Little cherry, little Jack Daniels, Diet Dr. Pepper. I'm fucking set.

00:49:16.92
Andrew Coltrin
I mean, yeah, there's like, yeah, liquor stores with the drive-thru window, yeah.

00:49:20.95
Marty Ketola
but

00:49:21.98
Andrew Coltrin
Like, and yeah.

00:49:22.17
Clifton Campbell
Well, in and ah again in Texas, you're like, you're pulling up to the liquor barn and going, give me a margarita and they'll hand it to you with a straw and then you drive away, you know, so it's, ah yeah.

00:49:23.04
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:49:31.19
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, it's like... Yeah, different rules, different places.

00:49:34.58
Clifton Campbell
Texas, Texas is different places. Yeah.

00:49:38.04
Ben
so so

00:49:38.10
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:49:39.10
Ben
So who is the Max von Sydow analog for Hamlet? I mean, yeah there isn't one.

00:49:43.86
Andrew Coltrin
There isn't one. No, no, this that was...

00:49:45.57
Drew
There is for that.

00:49:47.10
Andrew Coltrin
that Yes, Svengali. he's... it's he's not No, he this is this is the...

00:49:51.82
Drew
He's not Polonius.

00:49:55.62
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, a novel... yeah enter

00:49:59.13
Drew
Yeah, those those guys are not part of it.

00:50:01.30
Andrew Coltrin
No, that, yeah, those guys, the, the, the evil brewers are not part of it.

00:50:01.66
Drew
The basic characters are, but the rest of them.

00:50:06.41
Andrew Coltrin
Um, yeah, that, the word computer.

00:50:06.52
Drew
Yeah. And their weird computer disk.

00:50:12.70
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:50:12.76
Drew
Yeah.

00:50:13.18
Andrew Coltrin
Maybe the computer is the tragedians. I don't know.

00:50:16.18
Drew
Could be.

00:50:17.05
Andrew Coltrin
Maybe that's a stretch, but, um,

00:50:19.16
Drew
No, I think they're the guys from the Insane Asylum.

00:50:18.68
Marty Ketola
The computer gets to be the ghost. Right, yeah.

00:50:21.70
Drew
That's what they're.

00:50:22.26
Andrew Coltrin
yeah yeah yeah let's say now um Yeah, it's like that kind of thing. are like that These elements do absolutely stray from the the Hamlet format.

00:50:32.70
Ben
But are there some that that are mirrored exactly that you that picked up on or is there any...

00:50:38.97
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah. I mean,

00:50:40.92
Ben
Like the Elsinore Castle being the...

00:50:42.52
Drew
Yeah, Uncle Claude and then

00:50:46.23
Drew
Yeah, the fact that Uncle Claude killed his brother and then married his, you know, sister-in-law.

00:50:51.48
Marty Ketola
Right, right.

00:50:52.06
Ben
Right.

00:50:52.15
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:50:52.34
Drew
That's correct, obviously.

00:50:52.57
Marty Ketola
And immediately takes over the business.

00:50:53.27
Andrew Coltrin
the The ghost, the yeah the rest of the father.

00:50:53.91
Drew
The ghost.

00:50:56.79
Drew
Yeah.

00:50:59.04
Andrew Coltrin
the

00:51:00.38
Drew
The father's ghost.

00:51:00.47
Ben
The ghost that says...

00:51:00.82
Andrew Coltrin
Okay, so the Ophelia character is Rosie laro so

00:51:05.34
Drew
Yes, basically.

00:51:05.53
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:51:07.51
Andrew Coltrin
LaRose. Who almost dies by drowning, but the guys are down there with their empties, with their air supply.

00:51:11.62
Drew
Yeah.

00:51:14.76
Andrew Coltrin
so that's that's where That's where the story turns.

00:51:15.53
Ben
Right.

00:51:15.86
Clifton Campbell
Fucking hilarious.

00:51:18.58
Drew
Yeah.

00:51:18.71
Andrew Coltrin
so we're like and this is like you know i had to point it out in some college class because i went to college that like i think was a shakespeare class but it's like the big the only difference between a shakespearean tragedy and a shakespearean comedy is like they they all starts out with the same kind of setup the same kind of misunderstanding is the same kind of intrigue but in the tragedy everyone dies and in a comedy people get married like that's that's the difference

00:51:44.13
Marty Ketola
Right.

00:51:46.73
Ben
And that's Rosie and what's her name? Yeah.

00:51:48.61
Andrew Coltrin
Rosie and Pam, yeah.

00:51:49.00
Drew
yeah yeah

00:51:50.26
Andrew Coltrin
See? so So they knew how to turn it from, they flipped it, they're like, okay, we're to take it from this tragic point, and then we're like, no! We're going to make it so they all survive.

00:52:01.87
Drew
yeah that uncle quad is king claudius but they're kind of a combination of

00:52:01.40
Marty Ketola
So I guess Brewmeister Smith, the closest to him is probably King Claudius. Right.

00:52:08.05
Andrew Coltrin
Claudius, well, see, that's the thing.

00:52:09.79
Marty Ketola
Kinda. You know, it's not really...

00:52:11.45
Andrew Coltrin
<unk>ude The cloud is Claudius. I think Brewmeister Smith is like the... the

00:52:15.85
Marty Ketola
They're like both, kind of, yeah.

00:52:17.88
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, maybe it's like split into... like like Here's the actual evil mastermind. Because, yeah, Claude is like sort of just the ah the puppet.

00:52:27.26
Drew
Yeah.

00:52:27.26
Andrew Coltrin
Like...

00:52:27.22
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

00:52:28.76
Andrew Coltrin
Brewmeister Smith is like the Stephen Miller to...

00:52:31.73
Drew
Yeah.

00:52:32.63
Clifton Campbell
Holy shit. Okay. Wow.

00:52:33.82
Marty Ketola
ah

00:52:34.39
Clifton Campbell
Getting political.

00:52:34.39
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:52:34.68
Drew
in political now

00:52:35.07
Clifton Campbell
i love it.

00:52:35.64
Andrew Coltrin
God, no, this is a prophetic movie.

00:52:37.30
Ben
yeah He's talking about the band.

00:52:39.42
Andrew Coltrin
The band.

00:52:39.72
Clifton Campbell
Oh, okay.

00:52:39.94
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, know. The Stephen Miller to...

00:52:40.86
Drew
millment

00:52:42.84
Clifton Campbell
Jesus Christ.

00:52:44.15
Andrew Coltrin
Claudius.

00:52:44.25
Marty Ketola
ha

00:52:45.85
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, I mean...

00:52:46.33
Clifton Campbell
is Is that to fly like an eagle joke?

00:52:46.44
Marty Ketola
I'll

00:52:48.17
Clifton Campbell
My bad.

00:52:48.44
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, Steve Miller Band, you know, fly like an eagle. Yeah, that's what was talking about.

00:52:51.17
Clifton Campbell
Okay. can't Gotcha.

00:52:52.57
Andrew Coltrin
Sorry.

00:52:52.71
Clifton Campbell
Gotcha. Gotcha.

00:52:52.38
Marty Ketola
reach out and grab you.

00:52:53.01
Andrew Coltrin
Sorry. i may I might have referenced a different guy, but what I meant is is like, you know, the space cowboy.

00:52:55.48
Marty Ketola
we have

00:53:01.93
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:53:02.05
Clifton Campbell
So even even as a kid, one of my problems with this movie is and and again this this is kid logic for you. I'm watching this whole movie like, yep, yep. Checks all the boxes. Makes complete sense. Sure, sure, sure. Yep. Drank all the beer out of the tank.

00:53:18.80
Clifton Campbell
Expanded to it a massive amount of size. Peed on a fire. Put it all out. Back to normal. But why in the fuck would those lights on that world map burn through Max von Sydow like that?

00:53:28.76
Andrew Coltrin
Hey, hey, hey, hey,

00:53:30.28
Clifton Campbell
That's my problem.

00:53:29.85
Marty Ketola
yeah

00:53:31.45
Clifton Campbell
I said, Steven at 11, I was like, no, not believable.

00:53:31.46
Andrew Coltrin
as that on

00:53:34.32
Clifton Campbell
You fucked this whole movie up.

00:53:34.62
Andrew Coltrin
sufi leds i mean come on

00:53:36.86
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:37.92
Drew
Yeah.

00:53:38.00
Clifton Campbell
That completely ruined my suspension of disbelief.

00:53:37.86
Marty Ketola
It's

00:53:40.52
Clifton Campbell
Thank you very much. Movie ruined it.

00:53:41.88
Ben
that was but but here's the thing that was his board he had requested the guys to turn on his board the guy that that's messed up would make it that way make it so there's someone that came

00:53:41.62
Marty Ketola
like the plug that overheated.

00:53:47.58
Marty Ketola
Right. Right.

00:53:51.35
Clifton Campbell
Right.

00:53:51.54
Andrew Coltrin
yeah oh

00:53:53.17
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:53:55.86
Andrew Coltrin
okay

00:53:55.96
Clifton Campbell
The irony, the irony of it.

00:53:57.29
Andrew Coltrin
The irony, but that that is the, that is the, yeah, the cosmic irony right there, the dramatic irony.

00:53:57.87
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:01.34
Ben
yeah i mean he would Yeah, exactly.

00:54:01.66
Marty Ketola
right

00:54:02.50
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

00:54:03.18
Ben
So he would he would do something like that.

00:54:03.99
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:54:05.62
Ben
That's how messed up that dude is. Right? So, I don't know.

00:54:10.80
Clifton Campbell
It feels a little retcon-y, but I'll take it.

00:54:10.78
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:54:12.86
Clifton Campbell
I'll take it.

00:54:12.86
Ben
Okay.

00:54:13.37
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:54:14.01
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:54:14.07
Drew
I wanted to see what that video game was like with the yes with the American bombs and the Canadian bombs on the side of it.

00:54:16.12
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, the Canadian Border Patrol? it

00:54:18.04
Marty Ketola
Oh yeah, and I remember playing that one as a kid. No.

00:54:21.64
Drew
There was no actual footage of the show.

00:54:23.93
Marty Ketola
We put so many quarters into that one.

00:54:25.52
Drew
Yes. I do love it when everything gets spit out and he's drinking the milk and they're like, this is like four months old.

00:54:27.31
Clifton Campbell
The, uh,

00:54:33.98
Andrew Coltrin
Four months old.

00:54:34.09
Marty Ketola
four months old.

00:54:36.35
Drew
Yeah.

00:54:36.02
Marty Ketola
ah

00:54:38.10
Clifton Campbell
the

00:54:37.62
Marty Ketola
It's very frantic, but I like the pacing of it.

00:54:40.50
Clifton Campbell
yes yes ah very much so yes sir yeah somebody scratch my balls uh 32 minutes steamroller i love that shit come come he's like you could tell dave thomas is just laughing because he's rolling over rick moranis at one point he just starts laughing it's so good

00:54:40.38
Marty Ketola
It reminds me of like a Cheech and Chong movie in many ways to where there's like bits and I'm like, hey, they're in straight jackets, like a Nice Dreams.

00:54:47.80
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:54:50.14
Marty Ketola
Exactly.

00:54:52.45
Ben
Steamroller.

00:54:55.85
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:55:03.83
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah.

00:55:06.68
Clifton Campbell
And of course, 30, 32 minutes in, you get your, you get your, ah you get your hockey game.

00:55:06.97
Drew
Well, I was like,

00:55:11.29
Clifton Campbell
You know, again, you you'd be, you'd be kicked out of Canada without it.

00:55:11.38
Drew
yeah.

00:55:12.31
Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah.

00:55:15.05
Clifton Campbell
So.

00:55:15.45
Andrew Coltrin
I get wherere where the, the next Max Fonsato character is, is using the beard to program the, the coming race war, right?

00:55:15.48
Marty Ketola
like rollerball again.

00:55:18.33
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:55:24.82
Clifton Campbell
Right. Yes. And he's using music.

00:55:25.69
Andrew Coltrin
White attacks, black, black attacks, white. Ben tells me I'm wrong with this take, but I i don't know.

00:55:30.10
Marty Ketola
ah

00:55:31.80
Ben
Do I?

00:55:33.91
Andrew Coltrin
and When I brought it up, you're like, what?

00:55:34.21
Drew
The guy who played Rosie, speaking of rollerball, the guy played Rosie was in rollerball, too.

00:55:35.55
Andrew Coltrin
Stop it. It's Star Wars. I'm like, yeah, okay.

00:55:41.66
Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

00:55:42.43
Clifton Campbell
Oh, snap.

00:55:41.94
Marty Ketola
ah steve

00:55:43.46
Ben
That's right.

00:55:43.70
Clifton Campbell
Okay.

00:55:43.22
Marty Ketola
yeah i knew there was a rollerball connection.

00:55:44.47
Clifton Campbell
what

00:55:44.49
Ben
That's right.

00:55:45.75
Clifton Campbell
And look, they deliver the hockey puck just like in Rollerball in this fucking movie where it kind of pops out of the thing and suddenly, yeah, it felt it felt very Rollerball-like.

00:55:48.21
Drew
Yeah.

00:55:48.89
Marty Ketola
Exactly. Exactly. Mm-hmm. You're doing a little send up of that.

00:55:52.14
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

00:55:54.77
Drew
Yeah.

00:55:55.35
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:55:55.41
Ben
Yeah.

00:55:56.15
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:55:56.92
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:59.38
Ben
i You know what, ah Andrew, i wasn't I wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just saying that you might have been putting something. i don't think.

00:56:07.10
Andrew Coltrin
Am i am i am I like, yeah.

00:56:09.91
Ben
Just consider it.

00:56:10.40
Andrew Coltrin
And interpreting things in a strange way, but

00:56:11.23
Ben
It's not. really

00:56:14.07
Ben
I mean, i can understand why you would say that. that it's that's

00:56:17.15
Andrew Coltrin
our current events messing with my interpretation of strange brew with this movie that's 43 years old.

00:56:21.63
Drew
Ridiculous.

00:56:22.97
Ben
There is a possibility that this is the case.

00:56:24.98
Andrew Coltrin
Possibility.

00:56:25.88
Ben
There is a possibility.

00:56:28.60
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. there's Yeah.

00:56:30.52
Ben
Do you you guys like hockey?

00:56:30.55
Drew
ridiculous

00:56:30.74
Clifton Campbell
I could have... Go

00:56:33.69
Ben
Are you a hockey person? Did you like it when seeing the hockey or the people?

00:56:37.75
Clifton Campbell
ahead. Much like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, i think it's much better in person than it is watching it over television.

00:56:43.81
Ben
Yeah.

00:56:45.58
Clifton Campbell
But yeah, I mean, a ay I think there's a little bit too much skating between fights.

00:56:46.46
Ben
Exactly.

00:56:50.04
Clifton Campbell
But yeah, that's fine.

00:56:51.72
Andrew Coltrin
Ooh.

00:56:53.21
Ben
my friend

00:56:53.24
Drew
what Was Kalina went into a fight and a hockey game broke

00:56:53.75
Ben
my friend...

00:56:56.09
Clifton Campbell
Exactly.

00:56:57.02
Ben
My friend Michaela said there are two favorite parts of hockey.

00:56:57.11
Clifton Campbell
That's exactly it

00:56:56.66
Marty Ketola
up

00:57:01.02
Ben
She's not a really really big hockey fan, but she loves going to to see the fights and the goalie doing the splits. that's Those are the two things.

00:57:07.69
Clifton Campbell
There you go. Yeah.

00:57:09.23
Ben
Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:09.46
Marty Ketola
ah

00:57:10.36
Clifton Campbell
There was a, there was a group. I remember my dad brought this up ah when the last time i went to visiting, but we go, Arizona had a hockey of all things. Tucson, Arizona had a fucking minor league hockey team called the Arizona.

00:57:21.26
Marty Ketola
Roadrunners?

00:57:21.78
Clifton Campbell
What was it? I don't road runners. Yeah.

00:57:24.25
Ben
yeah

00:57:24.54
Clifton Campbell
And there was a group of guys that would go when I was in high school, my dad and I would go every then he'd get tickets because he worked for the police department and get free tickets and we'd go and There was this group of dudes every time we go and they get fucking hammered by the, by the third period. And they would just, just vocally verbally harass the shit out of the referees that their, their whole fucking game, the entire point that they were there was to get so drunk that they either pissed the referees off or got kicked out. And I've seen, I guess Sam, cause I'm got walked out several times just for being verbally abusive,

00:57:57.98
Clifton Campbell
called them zebras, you know, told them to get off their knees. They were blowing the game. All those type of just everything you could think of that they could call these poor, underpaid, probably just dudes just trying to do the, you know, just minor league hockey referees.

00:58:09.80
Marty Ketola
Right?

00:58:11.34
Clifton Campbell
These guys aren't being paid

00:58:11.02
Marty Ketola
It's like that late game movie we watched. in but

00:58:13.43
Clifton Campbell
And these fucking, yeah, and these five guys are just getting hammered, just just laying into these, calling them zebras and all this shit. It was hysterically funny. I remember we we would go to watch them more than we would the hockey game because they were as entertaining as the hockey game was.

00:58:25.40
Ben
And those men started

00:58:27.98
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:58:28.42
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, boy.

00:58:29.01
Clifton Campbell
That's right. Those men are all ah social media giants now.

00:58:29.37
Marty Ketola
Come for the hockey, save for the Ditter Theater.

00:58:32.81
Clifton Campbell
That's right.

00:58:33.35
Drew
Yeah.

00:58:33.18
Marty Ketola
Where are they now?

00:58:35.74
Clifton Campbell
ah i i could

00:58:35.92
Andrew Coltrin
Where are they now? Yes, where are they now?

00:58:36.38
Marty Ketola
Still there. They're still there talking shit to the players.

00:58:41.67
Clifton Campbell
I could have sworn that the opening song to this movie was done by Danny Elfman. It sounded like a fucking Danny Elfman tune.

00:58:46.55
Marty Ketola
No, it was that Pink Floyd song with the dogs barking.

00:58:48.07
Drew
As.

00:58:50.97
Clifton Campbell
No, it's actually by it's actually by Dave Thomas' little brother is actually the the song.

00:58:50.86
Marty Ketola
I don't know.

00:58:51.39
Drew
Hey.

00:58:55.97
Clifton Campbell
i and Ian Thomas did that.

00:58:57.69
Ben
there was There was a ah a thing with the the music that was like the the driving, the the like the very dramatic scenes, like quote-unquote dramatic scenes, that seemed really, really familiar that that I swear I've heard in other movies before.

00:59:09.41
Drew
Yeah.

00:59:16.63
Ben
You guys know I'm talking about?

00:59:16.73
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:59:17.13
Drew
Well,

00:59:17.72
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

00:59:17.79
Ben
Like when you were driving, the driving sequence and things, it just sounded like it was taken away.

00:59:20.18
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay.

00:59:23.51
Clifton Campbell
Could be the, yeah, it could be the reuse some incidental music or something.

00:59:26.97
Ben
Yeah.

00:59:29.73
Drew
it's still not the craziest theme song music, if you guys haven't listened to the theme music for Big Trouble Little China.

00:59:39.20
Andrew Coltrin
Oh

00:59:39.42
Clifton Campbell
Oh Jesus.

00:59:39.38
Marty Ketola
Well, yeah.

00:59:41.78
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

00:59:41.94
Drew
and the great video that goes along with it. Yeah.

00:59:45.66
Clifton Campbell
Big trouble. My little Jada. oh

00:59:48.89
Marty Ketola
ah

00:59:50.10
Clifton Campbell
So bad. and So bad. So.

00:59:52.48
Ben
That's where our president learned how to pronounce that word.

00:59:55.16
Clifton Campbell
I believe that.

00:59:54.90
Marty Ketola
home

00:59:56.82
Clifton Campbell
I believe that.

00:59:58.52
Ben
aina

00:59:59.93
Clifton Campbell
I like it. Getting a little sa saucy and political on this episode.

01:00:02.80
Andrew Coltrin
my gosh.

01:00:03.99
Clifton Campbell
ah Paul Dooley.

01:00:04.70
Andrew Coltrin
President Paul Dooley.

01:00:05.51
Clifton Campbell
Paul Dooley's in this fucking film.

01:00:06.97
Marty Ketola
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:08.63
Andrew Coltrin
I love, i mean, yeah, I love, just, just so like, and just like trying not to appear incompetent, but making it worse.

01:00:08.82
Clifton Campbell
I love Paul Dooley.

01:00:10.13
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:23.58
Clifton Campbell
So good.

01:00:23.47
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:00:24.00
Ben
Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.

01:00:25.06
Clifton Campbell
He's like America's dad in the 70s and the eighty s You know what i mean?

01:00:27.10
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:00:27.15
Drew
Yeah.

01:00:28.59
Andrew Coltrin
I love it.

01:00:29.08
Clifton Campbell
Like, who are we going to get for the dad? Call Paul Dooley.

01:00:31.90
Andrew Coltrin
hope i'll do it Yeah.

01:00:32.70
Clifton Campbell
and

01:00:32.94
Andrew Coltrin
hell He'll do it. He'll do I love that.

01:00:34.29
Clifton Campbell
He'll do it.

01:00:34.42
Andrew Coltrin
I like when he's like on the stand and they're showing the,

01:00:34.73
Clifton Campbell
He'll nail it.

01:00:37.69
Andrew Coltrin
You know, the video of the... of the is like and you As you can see, they are it these are we have a time code, and those are very hard to fake.

01:00:39.89
Clifton Campbell
Uh...

01:00:44.70
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:00:45.25
Andrew Coltrin
And the judge is like, can can you for the benefit of the court, can you please explain time code? And he's like, ah just because I don't know what it is, it doesn't mean I'm lying.

01:00:55.64
Marty Ketola
ah

01:00:56.84
Andrew Coltrin
I'm like, this

01:00:59.45
Marty Ketola
ah

01:01:00.31
Andrew Coltrin
is...

01:01:00.44
Drew
He was great that.

01:01:01.84
Clifton Campbell
Oh, man.

01:01:01.98
Drew
Yeah.

01:01:03.03
Andrew Coltrin
how How did we let this world get to this? notch

01:01:08.28
Clifton Campbell
i just I just want to be invited to the Max von Sydow, Walt Goggins tooth cleaning party. I just want to be i want to be invited where they just sit around they clean their teeth.

01:01:15.10
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

01:01:15.42
Marty Ketola
Well, as long as there's a Paul Dooley hair dyeing clinic also.

01:01:16.08
Andrew Coltrin
Yo, there's that.

01:01:20.25
Clifton Campbell
Oh, good call. Good call.

01:01:22.26
Marty Ketola
He went for the teeth, he went for the hair.

01:01:22.91
Clifton Campbell
Wow.

01:01:23.78
Marty Ketola
So I think it maybe it was on purpose.

01:01:25.27
Clifton Campbell
Wow.

01:01:25.54
Marty Ketola
you know

01:01:27.26
Ben
one of one of One of the things I learned is now I want a kung fu lawyer.

01:01:27.37
Clifton Campbell
We're going for everybody.

01:01:27.06
Marty Ketola
Made them pop.

01:01:28.17
Clifton Campbell
We're going for everybody today on this show.

01:01:29.59
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:01:29.46
Marty Ketola
Well, they pop. All

01:01:33.32
Ben
That's what I want.

01:01:33.63
Andrew Coltrin
A kung fu lawyer, yeah.

01:01:34.58
Drew
Yeah, that scene was ridiculous.

01:01:34.17
Marty Ketola
right.

01:01:37.27
Ben
Okay.

01:01:37.92
Drew
Yeah.

01:01:38.49
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, that's how you handle the press.

01:01:38.71
Marty Ketola
it was nice to It was nice to see the Canadian courtroom for a change.

01:01:39.29
Ben
Yeah.

01:01:41.52
Drew
Yeah.

01:01:43.17
Marty Ketola
We've seen so many movies lately that end in courtroom dramas, but here we get to see, you know, what did you call them?

01:01:44.16
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm.

01:01:48.41
Marty Ketola
Your worship.

01:01:48.93
Clifton Campbell
Mm hmm.

01:01:50.13
Marty Ketola
I'm like, whoa, that's different than what we say here.

01:01:50.71
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:51.06
Drew
yeah

01:01:51.19
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Your worship.

01:01:53.94
Marty Ketola
Instead of your honor. yeah

01:01:56.76
Clifton Campbell
It reminds me of that courtroom scene again from the first Cheech and Chong movie where they get where they get all fucked up and they're in court and, you know, get in trouble and all that type of stuff or reminds me a bit of that.

01:02:04.02
Marty Ketola
Oh, yeah.

01:02:10.52
Ben
Are there any scenes that stand out to you guys that are like your favorites in this or no?

01:02:17.43
Clifton Campbell
For me, I mean, for me, it's my, as a kid, my favorite scene is i them opening that tank and her going, he drank it all. And then they're cutting to him and he's, you know, like that's, that as a kid, that fucking, that that's the height of comedy right there.

01:02:25.91
Andrew Coltrin
oh yeah well it's like

01:02:25.88
Marty Ketola
but

01:02:32.18
Clifton Campbell
The only other height is where they're getting the lie detector test and he farts. And he's like, no, I didn't. And then they're like, look at the machines, of course, going, he's like, no, you farted.

01:02:39.72
Andrew Coltrin
like Ted's all he's lying alright oh yeah like they really they really knew how to write

01:02:40.22
Ben
Yep.

01:02:39.83
Marty Ketola
like, I don't need a machine to tell me that.

01:02:41.76
Ben
He is lying more.

01:02:42.17
Clifton Campbell
That is 11 year old height, height of 11 year old humor.

01:02:41.67
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:02:42.82
Ben
Yeah.

01:02:45.14
Marty Ketola
ah

01:02:49.75
Andrew Coltrin
right Yeah. when i want to say Encapsulate those messages of Hamlet into fart jokes.

01:02:53.18
Drew
I like it when he's

01:02:56.70
Andrew Coltrin
and

01:02:57.56
Marty Ketola
It can be done.

01:02:58.38
Drew
talking to the cops. you hear me Get out of your car.

01:03:02.25
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:03:04.14
Drew
– yeah he's got the mic he's got the bullhorn so he's got the power.

01:03:08.44
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. It's like going to take a head count because we're going to make some breakfast. Yeah.

01:03:13.07
Drew
Mike Wilberg – yeah. Mike

01:03:14.23
Ben
Some back bacon and, yeah.

01:03:17.58
Drew
Wilberg – yeah.

01:03:19.06
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

01:03:21.15
Ben
There's something about the the hockey scenes always always stuck with me for some reason.

01:03:21.28
Andrew Coltrin
Mm-hmm.

01:03:25.15
Ben
I don't know why. It was just kind of like a lot of the comedy that i remember from from that movie was about that. Yeah.

01:03:33.71
Clifton Campbell
it's it's kind of It's kind of perfect, too, because they use that organ. you know They use the organ during during during intermissions and for hockey anyways, and then suddenly they're using that organ to program the fighting and stuff.

01:03:37.59
Ben
Yeah.

01:03:39.90
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:03:40.98
Drew
Yeah.

01:03:44.65
Clifton Campbell
It was kind of perfect.

01:03:44.82
Ben
Yeah, whenever, even even now, whenever I hear a hockey organ that's like that, think it's going to be immediately.

01:03:50.30
Andrew Coltrin
I know. Okay, this guy's making a fight.

01:03:53.30
Drew
Like what?

01:03:53.82
Clifton Campbell
that is I just turned to Andrew and punched him.

01:03:54.07
Ben
Immediately.

01:03:56.34
Clifton Campbell
you know

01:03:57.25
Drew
Yeah. So why, why are they, what you know, you go to the hockey game and like, where are the stacks of beer?

01:03:56.92
Marty Ketola
Do-da-do.

01:03:57.57
Clifton Campbell
That's

01:04:01.74
Drew
There's no stacks of beer on on the edge run into.

01:04:02.10
Marty Ketola
ah

01:04:03.13
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Aren't all hockey games played on the floor of a beer warehouse?

01:04:08.44
Marty Ketola
and and

01:04:12.34
Drew
ah Kristen, kris and my wife, we were watching. She's like, ah to Rick Moranis' face, it's just his face.

01:04:18.91
Clifton Campbell
That's his face.

01:04:19.18
Drew
He's like young, but he always looks like that. you like For some reason, she thought he just looked... like he he looks the same for like 20 years, pretty much.

01:04:31.10
Drew
One of those people that just born...

01:04:31.67
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:32.77
Clifton Campbell
He's like Martin Short. Martin Short kind of looks the same.

01:04:34.52
Drew
Yeah.

01:04:35.70
Clifton Campbell
You know, I mean, a little bit older, but still Martin Short, you know?

01:04:35.99
Andrew Coltrin
Oh.

01:04:38.78
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:04:38.90
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:39.60
Ben
Keanu Reeves too. It's just like, this looks like Keanu Reeves.

01:04:41.11
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:04:43.03
Ben
It's like, it'll forever look like that.

01:04:43.22
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:04:47.64
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, Gene Hackman looked like Gene Hackman up until he retired, where you're just like, yep, Gene Hackman.

01:04:52.34
Drew
Yeah.

01:04:52.79
Marty Ketola
Where would the movie Wayne's World be without this movie?

01:04:57.24
Drew
That is a good question.

01:04:57.11
Marty Ketola
I feel like they took the whole premise of the, you know, just the meta, you know, show within the show movie within the movie thing.

01:04:57.76
Clifton Campbell
That's a good question.

01:05:02.84
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:05:03.86
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah. Oh yeah, i know. It could, yeah, it is. It is very much a similar kind of skit, like, because yeah.

01:05:08.94
Clifton Campbell
There's some definite similarities there, right?

01:05:14.75
Clifton Campbell
Ben's like, no.

01:05:16.34
Ben
um I'm trying to think because i just they're just separate in my mind. I enjoy both of them.

01:05:19.93
Andrew Coltrin
Well, I would just like, like, like the format of it, like Bob and Doug have their TV show and Wayne and Garth of their TV show.

01:05:19.61
Marty Ketola
It is very different, but structural.

01:05:25.71
Ben
Yeah.

01:05:26.86
Andrew Coltrin
And then they go out into the world and you find out what else goes on in their lives.

01:05:30.87
Ben
Yeah.

01:05:31.51
Drew
yeah

01:05:31.67
Andrew Coltrin
But I mean, they,

01:05:31.70
Ben
But, I mean, hence that's that's for both both of the skits, right? You you had, um you can't say show.

01:05:35.22
Marty Ketola
I guess it goes back to Blues Brothers with any, you know, any Saturday Night Live movie is what else happens beyond the five minute skit.

01:05:35.99
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:05:37.72
Ben
Yeah. I mean. yeah and

01:05:39.19
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:05:43.79
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, that's true.

01:05:43.70
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:05:44.86
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:05:44.89
Ben
Yeah.

01:05:45.26
Andrew Coltrin
The cone heads.

01:05:46.89
Ben
That's why i was wondering, was Lorne Michaels involved in any part of this as far as the...

01:05:46.56
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

01:05:47.16
Drew
Night at the Roxbury.

01:05:51.62
Marty Ketola
Not this one, I don't think.

01:05:52.16
Drew
No, it's SCTV.

01:05:52.92
Clifton Campbell
No, no, no. Yes.

01:05:53.85
Ben
now

01:05:53.46
Marty Ketola
It's SCTV.

01:05:55.61
Drew
Yeah, this is not...

01:05:56.34
Ben
Yeah.

01:05:57.56
Drew
This is the Canadian version of Saturday Night Live.

01:05:59.64
Ben
No, no, I understand that, but he did have a hand, I believe, in SCTV.

01:06:03.29
Marty Ketola
He worked with kids in the hall, but I don't know if he's in SCTV.

01:06:04.57
Clifton Campbell
No. Yeah.

01:06:07.29
Ben
Okay.

01:06:07.75
Clifton Campbell
It does. Yeah, no, this is this is MGM producing for four million dollar budget, eight million dollar gross.

01:06:11.35
Drew
yeah

01:06:11.44
Ben
Okay, okay.

01:06:10.99
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

01:06:15.32
Clifton Campbell
So he ah that's that's a hit. You know, if you double the money, if you double the money that you spent on it, that's a hit.

01:06:18.61
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:06:22.49
Drew
still didn't make any profit though probably still hasn't just saying hollywood accounting being what it is yeah interesting

01:06:22.68
Andrew Coltrin
yeah

01:06:24.63
Clifton Campbell
Why not?

01:06:28.47
Clifton Campbell
Well, no, well, oh, I see what you're saying.

01:06:28.76
Marty Ketola
Probably through video and cable back when.

01:06:29.40
Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah, they do accounting tricks to make it all go away.

01:06:30.54
Clifton Campbell
Oh, I see that, that account, that, that little accounting trick.

01:06:32.32
Andrew Coltrin
but

01:06:34.70
Clifton Campbell
Extraño brebaje in Spanish. Extraño brebaje. There you Yeah.

01:06:40.72
Marty Ketola
And a Cream album.

01:06:42.04
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:43.96
Clifton Campbell
What, what do you give it, Marty?

01:06:45.91
Marty Ketola
Oh, I also wanted to say, I've never seen the movie Brother Bear, but don't they play kind of a Bob and Doug thing?

01:06:50.58
Andrew Coltrin
Oh yeah, they're in that.

01:06:52.50
Drew
yeah

01:06:53.07
Marty Ketola
Oh,

01:06:53.94
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, there's a couple of moves.

01:06:54.36
Clifton Campbell
Really?

01:06:55.82
Andrew Coltrin
They're Bob and Doug. Yeah. And they basically do the same, the same shtick, you know?

01:06:56.82
Marty Ketola
okay.

01:06:57.46
Drew
yeah

01:06:57.13
Marty Ketola
Okay.

01:07:00.12
Clifton Campbell
The routine.

01:06:59.68
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

01:07:00.35
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:07:00.56
Clifton Campbell
Well, they've, they've popped up that routine. They've popped up and stuff of over the years off and on doing the Bob and Doug stick for sure.

01:07:03.51
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:07:06.24
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:07:06.46
Andrew Coltrin
yeah But i remember, yeah, that's one of those Disney movies I watched.

01:07:07.58
Clifton Campbell
Good stuff.

01:07:09.61
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:07:10.01
Marty Ketola
but

01:07:11.13
Andrew Coltrin
And I was like, yeah, it's Bob and Doug.

01:07:12.68
Marty Ketola
Yeah, something for the adults in the crowd.

01:07:13.91
Andrew Coltrin
right.

01:07:15.54
Drew
Yeah.

01:07:15.12
Marty Ketola
ah

01:07:15.70
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:07:16.13
Marty Ketola
I'm going to give it a three. i realized that I don't think I've ever actually sat down and paid attention to it from beginning to end. I think throughout the years I'd see a moment of it here, a few minutes there. And then this week it was like, wait a minute.

01:07:27.25
Andrew Coltrin
you.

01:07:28.31
Marty Ketola
What? I feel like there's parts of this I haven't seen before. So another great side effect of the podcast, it's filling in the blanks for me.

01:07:32.95
Drew
yeah

01:07:36.03
Marty Ketola
So I give it three stars. I i enjoyed it quite a bit. Very funny.

01:07:40.99
Clifton Campbell
Drew, what about you, buddy?

01:07:45.72
Drew
I'd give it a four. It's not my favorite movie in the entire world, but it's ah it's a classic for a reason.

01:07:47.80
Clifton Campbell
Four?

01:07:52.28
Drew
right

01:07:54.78
Drew
I enjoy movies where people seem to enjoy themselves, and everybody seemed like they had a lot of fun making the movie.

01:07:58.32
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:08:01.14
Ben
Oh yeah.

01:08:01.49
Drew
That's why I got to do another rewatch of Ocean's Eleven, because that's like one of my favorites.

01:08:01.57
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:08:01.85
Ben
yeah

01:08:02.52
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:07.94
Clifton Campbell
That's another one where it seems like they just enjoyed the shit out of themselves making that movie.

01:08:08.33
Drew
Yeah.

01:08:10.62
Drew
Yeah.

01:08:11.26
Andrew Coltrin
Okay.

01:08:11.80
Drew
And one of the reasons I'm a big fan of of Donovan's Reef, which is a John Wayne movie that not a lot of people watch that for Christmas because there's a Christmas scene in it.

01:08:11.92
Clifton Campbell
Yep.

01:08:17.62
Clifton Campbell
Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

01:08:21.90
Drew
So I call it a Christmas movie. if I mean, Die Hard's a Christmas movie. It does that.

01:08:26.90
Clifton Campbell
and It's not, but okay. Yeah.

01:08:30.42
Ben
That is a subject or debate.

01:08:30.50
Clifton Campbell
It's not a Christmas movie just because it happens.

01:08:31.84
Drew
Die Hard 2 is a Christmas movie, though.

01:08:33.13
Clifton Campbell
right. going to to do that as a whole episode.

01:08:34.38
Drew
Can't deny that.

01:08:35.58
Clifton Campbell
We're going to have to have a bunch of people on Marty and just have a debate about whether or not that that's Christmas.

01:08:39.80
Drew
Yeah.

01:08:39.62
Marty Ketola
What, Ocean's Eleven?

01:08:40.28
Ben
Well, I mean, maybe maybe just...

01:08:40.63
Clifton Campbell
Be like, be like a.

01:08:41.72
Andrew Coltrin
Is Gremlins a Christmas movie?

01:08:44.50
Drew
Yes, there you

01:08:44.51
Andrew Coltrin
No.

01:08:44.04
Marty Ketola
I gotta get 11 guests for that one.

01:08:46.87
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, exactly.

01:08:47.22
Marty Ketola
I'm gonna edit Nightmare.

01:08:47.96
Ben
What I think would be a good premise would be bring your Christmas movie that's not a Christmas movie kind of episode where you're like, what do you think is a Christmas movie that no one else thinks is a Christmas movie kind of thing.

01:08:54.37
Drew
go. Yeah,

01:09:00.25
Drew
yeah.

01:08:59.92
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:09:01.14
Clifton Campbell
Well, thanks for that idea for an episode there, Ben.

01:09:01.37
Drew
The

01:09:03.78
Clifton Campbell
Appreciate you.

01:09:03.74
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:09:04.51
Ben
You're welcome.

01:09:04.70
Drew
ref, there's one.

01:09:06.33
Clifton Campbell
Andrew, what about you? What do you think?

01:09:08.06
Andrew Coltrin
um i'm gonna give it a four just on the strength of the i never bought i never could figure out why they would get two stops and then no breaks that was just i i just like why how does that work i could never figure it out and i think it was a little oh yeah yeah exactly so um i'm calling bullshit on that but other than not it's a beautiful film

01:09:18.97
Marty Ketola
ah

01:09:24.44
Ben
You felt a little soft.

01:09:34.07
Clifton Campbell
ah Marty?

01:09:36.98
Marty Ketola
Oh, I said three.

01:09:39.03
Clifton Campbell
Oh, Ben, sorry.

01:09:41.11
Ben
ah You want to let answer last? Because I don't want to put myself on the spot like I did with b Blue Thunder and have you hold head for the rest of the time I'm on the show.

01:09:46.71
Marty Ketola
going to watch that again.

01:09:49.13
Clifton Campbell
I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. You're you're going. You're going last then. I'm going to give it three and a half stars. I don't think it's at the high four, four level, but I do think...

01:10:01.05
Clifton Campbell
I do think, yeah, three and a half. I think it's really funny and really ah utterly rewatchable. Now a bit shaking his head because he has to go last.

01:10:08.47
Ben
Yeah, well, it's it's it's fine.

01:10:08.90
Clifton Campbell
it's such It's such a, so I really enjoy having you on the program, sir.

01:10:11.58
Ben
it it happened It happened before with Blue Thunder. It's going to happen whenever I'm on the show. i give it four and a half because it is one of those that those movies that I can watch over and over and over again and laugh

01:10:18.65
Clifton Campbell
Every time now. Oh, okay.

01:10:21.17
Marty Ketola
Oh, nice.

01:10:30.81
Ben
and be nostalgic about it, and it makes me happy.

01:10:33.05
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:10:34.39
Ben
Just all the silly, stupid lines.

01:10:34.63
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:10:36.35
Ben
I understand it's not the best movie.

01:10:36.95
Clifton Campbell
Mm-hmm.

01:10:38.27
Ben
I understand it didn't really connect with a whole bunch of people like it connected with me, but it's just every time I watch it, it's enjoyable. just It's a memory thing.

01:10:48.50
Ben
So to me, movies are very much tied to my joy, and so four and a half stars for that one.

01:10:55.50
Marty Ketola
Nice.

01:10:56.38
Clifton Campbell
if i was If I was considering nostalgia, I'd say four and a half for sure. For sure. Yeah. but just Just for like the whole nostalgia thing.

01:11:01.11
Ben
Oh. that Okay.

01:11:03.46
Clifton Campbell
But like just as far as like a movie on my scale goes three and a half. Yeah.

01:11:07.29
Ben
Have have i been misapproaching the...

01:11:09.44
Clifton Campbell
Oh, you're good. No, you're good. No, no, no. you I just – yeah, everybody's got their own rubric.

01:11:11.86
Ben
and

01:11:11.50
Marty Ketola
Oh, there's no rules.

01:11:14.75
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. So everybody's got their own – like I'm still trying to figure out Marty's. There's no fucking telling this guy.

01:11:18.82
Marty Ketola
I'm still trying to figure it out my myself.

01:11:19.60
Andrew Coltrin
I mean, my rubric is like I said five the other time, so I got to pull back.

01:11:19.74
Ben
Okay.

01:11:20.13
Drew
No problem, man.

01:11:23.77
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:11:25.59
Ben
You don't know... how epi You don't know how happy it makes me that you guys use the word rubric.

01:11:30.74
Clifton Campbell
Well, you go.

01:11:30.90
Ben
i It's just, i'm I'm, we need to do a show on the word Rubik, Ando.

01:11:35.11
Marty Ketola
All

01:11:36.23
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, okay.

01:11:38.56
Ben
Okay.

01:11:38.26
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:11:39.34
Andrew Coltrin
I'm on the list.

01:11:40.07
Clifton Campbell
you

01:11:41.37
Marty Ketola
right.

01:11:42.14
Clifton Campbell
Well, guys, thanks. Thanks a million for coming on. um

01:11:44.18
Marty Ketola
Yes, this was awesome.

01:11:45.43
Clifton Campbell
it seemed like a this is the biggest one we've done and it seemed like it went really well. You guys had a lot to say and we really appreciate you having a good, making it a good, good episode.

01:11:49.39
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:11:50.18
Drew
Yeah.

01:11:50.50
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:11:52.82
Marty Ketola
Good flow.

01:11:53.75
Ben
We could go for another two hours, I feel.

01:11:55.80
Andrew Coltrin
ah Well, no, I mean, yeah, we we have, but

01:11:55.84
Ben
It's actually.

01:11:56.22
Clifton Campbell
I think so.

01:11:57.30
Marty Ketola
yeah

01:11:58.24
Ben
No, no, no.

01:11:59.64
Clifton Campbell
yeah

01:12:00.15
Ben
Not literally. I'm just saying we could.

01:12:03.06
Andrew Coltrin
we could. Yeah. well

01:12:05.18
Drew
It watched another of three movies maybe, but we didn't. So, yeah.

01:12:08.15
Marty Ketola
ah

01:12:09.35
Andrew Coltrin
All right.

01:12:09.76
Marty Ketola
Well, let's do our plugs here. ah

01:12:12.47
Andrew Coltrin
Thanks.

01:12:12.05
Marty Ketola
that's ah Drew, do you have anything coming up you want to plug to the audience?

01:12:17.29
Drew
Uh, nothing in particular. I mean, I've done some theater stuff recently, but nothing, nothing that's going to be anytime soon. Some stuff that might be coming up in in several months, but I can't, nothing's, you know, so specific other than, you know, come hang out at my store. I run aisle of games here in Tucson. It's a board game store.

01:12:39.70
Drew
We always have a lot of fun stuff going on.

01:12:40.15
Clifton Campbell
He runs, he runs an excellent store.

01:12:41.14
Drew
So

01:12:42.72
Clifton Campbell
Get out there and buy something immediately. That's a great store.

01:12:45.06
Drew
yeah.

01:12:45.62
Ben
where Where are you located, by the way?

01:12:47.75
Drew
Bradway and Pantano in 2020.

01:12:49.57
Ben
Okay.

01:12:51.66
Andrew Coltrin
All right.

01:12:51.40
Marty Ketola
Cool.

01:12:52.94
Andrew Coltrin
Cool.

01:12:53.28
Marty Ketola
All right. And Ben, what do you got the plug for us?

01:12:57.62
Ben
Oh, boy. Well, we just did a show, and your your show will be released before our show is is done, ah as far as the editing is concerned.

01:12:58.68
Marty Ketola
Hmm.

01:13:08.74
Ben
But we've got a show on the word brew coming up with Andrew.

01:13:12.44
Clifton Campbell
And...

01:13:12.41
Ben
come yet um the too vague podcast check it out we talk about words and uh basically do a lot of sort of back and forth free thinking conversation um you know just improv stuff trivia and then connect it to video games so if any of you you guys uh are interested in being on the show you you can let me know because we want you we want to be on the show.

01:13:40.41
Marty Ketola
That'd be fun.

01:13:42.36
Ben
We can talk about whatever word you want to talk about.

01:13:43.00
Clifton Campbell
Sure.

01:13:45.50
Clifton Campbell
Interesting.

01:13:46.21
Drew
Thank you.

01:13:46.55
Ben
Yeah.

01:13:46.90
Andrew Coltrin
good thing Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, man.

01:13:48.41
Ben
I can type pretty much anything to video games.

01:13:48.08
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:13:50.65
Ben
I'm still struggling with charcuterie, but we'll think about that.

01:13:53.85
Andrew Coltrin
Oh,

01:13:55.47
Clifton Campbell
Charcutes give me the toots, but I love charcuterie.

01:13:58.63
Andrew Coltrin
man.

01:13:59.26
Ben
I the

01:14:00.82
Clifton Campbell
I got the charcutes, they give me the toots.

01:14:01.50
Andrew Coltrin
like bos

01:14:03.45
Clifton Campbell
ah ma I got the char-toots from the charcutes.

01:14:04.15
Andrew Coltrin
ah thats are goots man

01:14:07.70
Marty Ketola
don't need a lie detector to...

01:14:10.62
Ben
and ha Tying it back in there.

01:14:12.09
Andrew Coltrin
that

01:14:16.21
Ben
Tying it back.

01:14:16.41
Clifton Campbell
Andrew, Andrew.

01:14:17.61
Andrew Coltrin
All right.

01:14:17.80
Clifton Campbell
Cool.

01:14:19.67
Andrew Coltrin
Oh man, this is the summer where all of a sudden a bunch of things are happening. So um yeah, in August, I've got my book, the ADHD FAQ is coming out from microcosm publishing.

01:14:34.23
Andrew Coltrin
So that should be in actual stores or

01:14:34.53
Drew
Yeah.

01:14:38.49
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, it'll be out. They send it to the printer and I've got some of my weird cartoons in there. You know, some of the booger bear stuff that I've been doing forever Marty probably remembers from me doodling in the box office.

01:14:49.47
Andrew Coltrin
and

01:14:50.20
Marty Ketola
Right.

01:14:51.69
Andrew Coltrin
Freaking movie theater. um And then also the other big thing I got work on, I've been putting together an anthology of neurodivergent comics, you know, from neurodivergent artists, like all kinds of different things. You know, your autism, your ADHD, your dyslexia and Tourette's. And there's always extra stuff. There's OCD in there and, you know,

01:15:17.46
Andrew Coltrin
And nobody has just got one diagnosis. It's fun. um But it it's, um yeah, I've been putting this together and I'm just about to launch a Kickstarter for this project.

01:15:21.22
Drew
All right. Nice.

01:15:29.38
Clifton Campbell
Awesome.

01:15:29.78
Andrew Coltrin
And so, that yeah, it's called Nerd Emergencies because um somebody tried to say neurodiversity in a reel and it auto-captioned it into Nerd Emergency.

01:15:29.59
Marty Ketola
Nice.

01:15:38.55
Ben
Hey.

01:15:39.67
Clifton Campbell
Nerd diversity.

01:15:40.04
Andrew Coltrin
And I was like, that's what I'm doing.

01:15:40.55
Clifton Campbell
That's great. That's perfect.

01:15:42.62
Andrew Coltrin
So Nerd Emergencies and other misunderstandings.

01:15:42.70
Clifton Campbell
That's perfect.

01:15:42.49
Marty Ketola
huh

01:15:45.50
Andrew Coltrin
um the

01:15:46.55
Clifton Campbell
Send us your, send us your info when the Kickstarter drops. We'll throw it on the show for you.

01:15:49.72
Andrew Coltrin
I will send that to you. I can send it to you right now.

01:15:51.77
Clifton Campbell
For sure.

01:15:53.28
Andrew Coltrin
It's easy. But yeah, if you look for it, like there's a pre-launch page. Yeah.

01:15:57.77
Clifton Campbell
Perfect. Okay.

01:15:58.10
Marty Ketola
Nice.

01:15:58.73
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:15:58.90
Andrew Coltrin
It'll be it's findable.

01:15:59.01
Clifton Campbell
We'll drop them into the show notes all that stuff.

01:16:00.14
Andrew Coltrin
It's findable.

01:16:00.49
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:16:01.62
Andrew Coltrin
don't Don't write it down my quote of what the ah URL is. You'll find it.

01:16:04.65
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:16:05.58
Andrew Coltrin
i'll you'll It'll be in the show notes.

01:16:05.75
Drew
Yeah.

01:16:07.10
Andrew Coltrin
You'll get it. Yeah.

01:16:07.54
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:16:08.04
Ben
Andrew, the ADHD FAQ, does it come with the companion deck, or do you have to...

01:16:13.56
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, oh oh that's a no though that's a separate thing. Yeah, there's a tie-in product, the ADHD Coping Skills Deck, which...

01:16:20.89
Ben
Yeah.

01:16:23.00
Andrew Coltrin
Sure, it's a game you could carry in your store. No, it's it's a no it's like... I mean, i don't know. Somebody could make it a game. Wouldn't it be fun?

01:16:30.16
Ben
It's kind of like Sabacc, except it's not like Sabacc.

01:16:31.67
Andrew Coltrin
No, it's... ah Yeah, it's just...

01:16:34.81
Clifton Campbell
With more rules, way more rules.

01:16:36.50
Andrew Coltrin
I like to like to say it it's it's a deck of cards with ah advice on how not to yell at yourself if you have ADHD. Because like that's, I think, the biggest problem is like you know people with ADHD are like so used to getting advice from other people about why don't you just make a list or why don't you...

01:16:45.08
Ben
Yeah.

01:16:55.73
Andrew Coltrin
you know And it's like, no, it's it's more than that. that It's like... If I could do all these things that people have been giving me advice for forever, then I wouldn't have this problem. But so um it's, yeah.

01:17:09.66
Drew
No.

01:17:09.72
Andrew Coltrin
But ah so.

01:17:10.97
Clifton Campbell
sounds's like Sounds like the people who – there's a big push in my so in my state to raise the minimum wage from $7.25 for the state. And everybody is going – and all the arguments I basically hear not to do it are basically just live on a budget.

01:17:20.63
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:17:26.01
Clifton Campbell
you know stop cho eating Stop eating the avocado toast and drinking the Starbucks.

01:17:26.69
Andrew Coltrin
I live.

01:17:26.69
Marty Ketola
Sure. Hmm. sure

01:17:29.64
Andrew Coltrin
Uh-huh.

01:17:30.29
Clifton Campbell
And I'm just like, OK, sure.

01:17:30.68
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah, well.

01:17:33.17
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, uh-huh.

01:17:33.43
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, yeah, that's also, yeah, that's.

01:17:35.47
Clifton Campbell
That's, yeah, that's not really it. That's not really good advice and that's not really germane to the whole problem, you know?

01:17:41.21
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, no, there's, that that's right.

01:17:42.58
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:17:43.49
Andrew Coltrin
There's.

01:17:43.80
Clifton Campbell
when When rent takes up my basically all my money, we have issues, you know?

01:17:47.58
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you don't want to raise the minimum wage, just bring the, bring down the maximum wage.

01:17:48.72
Clifton Campbell
Yeah. Bring the back. Yeah, bring that.

01:17:53.40
Andrew Coltrin
Sure.

01:17:55.02
Clifton Campbell
Go there. Oh, you're going to flip it. Okay, I see what you're doing.

01:17:57.96
Andrew Coltrin
I'm going flip it. I'm going to bring down the maximum wage.

01:17:59.68
Clifton Campbell
All right. It's like, there you go.

01:18:00.74
Andrew Coltrin
Just take that piece off the top and pay for stuff for everyone else and it'll be fine, right?

01:18:06.22
Drew
Yeah.

01:18:07.86
Ben
not none no

01:18:08.56
Clifton Campbell
Oh.

01:18:08.92
Ben
Not all of us can afford a UFC fight in our front lawn.

01:18:12.50
Andrew Coltrin
Not all of us, no.

01:18:13.97
Clifton Campbell
What? you can't You guys can't have fight?

01:18:14.30
Drew
no

01:18:15.41
Clifton Campbell
Well, I mean, we have Bloodsport out here in the front lawn, but it's just two toothless meth heads just fighting. It's not it's not like, you know, it's not a UFC fight.

01:18:23.58
Andrew Coltrin
DIY or die.

01:18:24.46
Clifton Campbell
But it's, I mean, it's close.

01:18:26.04
Andrew Coltrin
that's

01:18:26.36
Clifton Campbell
Yeah, it's close.

01:18:27.06
Ben
Have you guys done blood sport yet?

01:18:28.18
Marty Ketola
going to say, how'd you know Bloodsport was next week?

01:18:28.98
Ben
Have you done blood sport?

01:18:30.57
Clifton Campbell
Oh, God, I wish.

01:18:30.52
Marty Ketola
Okay. yeah but

01:18:32.38
Clifton Campbell
i got to meet I got to meet Don Gibbs before he passed, and...

01:18:34.58
Marty Ketola
Yeah, he was cool.

01:18:35.64
Ben
Oh, no.

01:18:36.28
Marty Ketola
We did.

01:18:36.98
Clifton Campbell
He was one of the nicest motherfuckers you'll ever meet.

01:18:36.76
Marty Ketola
Yeah, we got the game last year.

01:18:39.82
Clifton Campbell
And he told me a story about Bloodsport, if you'd like to hear it. And it is that the only person who got injured on Bloodsport was anybody who was opposite Jean-Claude Van Damme.

01:18:49.34
Ben
ah

01:18:49.52
Marty Ketola
Mm-hmm.

01:18:50.97
Clifton Campbell
he kicked He kicked like two different people in the face on Bloodsport.

01:18:53.97
Drew
Yeah.

01:18:54.05
Ben
Yeah.

01:18:54.13
Drew
Okay.

01:18:54.34
Clifton Campbell
He said, but other than that, we had a great time. It was a lot of fun. But the only people who didn't have a good time were the two people who got kicked in the face with my fucking blonde Jean-Flau Van Damme. I thought that was hilarious. So funny.

01:19:03.29
Ben
Yeah,

01:19:04.47
Clifton Campbell
But the one of the sweetest guys you'd ever want to meet your entire life.

01:19:06.26
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:19:07.91
Ben
that's cool.

01:19:08.09
Clifton Campbell
just a Just a real nice guy. yeah Well, guys, thanks so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

01:19:11.79
Marty Ketola
Yes.

01:19:13.27
Clifton Campbell
um it was a It was a killer episode.

01:19:12.95
Marty Ketola
Good one.

01:19:15.32
Clifton Campbell
It was a lot of fun. It's going be a great win great one to put together.

01:19:16.29
Andrew Coltrin
Yeah.

01:19:16.03
Marty Ketola
Yeah.

01:19:17.25
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, yeah.

01:19:17.64
Clifton Campbell
So thank you so much.

01:19:18.78
Andrew Coltrin
Sure.

01:19:18.93
Ben
Yeah, thank you.

01:19:20.12
Clifton Campbell
Do you guys want to get out of here on a quote?

01:19:19.93
Marty Ketola
So.

01:19:22.00
Clifton Campbell
Marty, you got anything else before we go?

01:19:22.83
Ben
Oh, yeah.

01:19:22.93
Marty Ketola
Oh, I got my quote. Yeah.

01:19:25.21
Clifton Campbell
Oh yeah.

01:19:24.89
Marty Ketola
We are.

01:19:25.57
Clifton Campbell
Yeah.

01:19:25.21
Marty Ketola
at

01:19:25.81
Clifton Campbell
Let's get out of here on a quote.

01:19:26.81
Marty Ketola
We are actors. We are the opposite of people. but

01:19:33.21
Clifton Campbell
Drew, what do you got?

01:19:34.88
Andrew Coltrin
Nailed it. Oh.

01:19:35.58
Drew
That's good. That's good. um What have I got? um It's from a different Tom Stoppard play, but it is one of my favorites from Rough Crossing. it's ah It's a privilege and for me too.

01:19:49.59
Drew
thank you

01:19:52.09
Clifton Campbell
Andrew?

01:19:53.19
Andrew Coltrin
Oh, man. Okay, so ah all the bowling alleys have been wrecked, so they spent most my time looking for beer.

01:20:03.93
Clifton Campbell
Ben?

01:20:05.21
Ben
ah

01:20:08.54
Ben
Hold on. I wouldn't go in there. There's a big skunk in there. We know about that.

01:20:13.11
Marty Ketola
Thank you.

01:20:14.51
Ben
It's a Toronto skunk. It's my jurisdiction.

01:20:19.61
Clifton Campbell
This film is filmed in 3B. 3B-ers, eh? Hoserama. Let's get out of here.

01:20:24.95
Andrew Coltrin
Three beers and it's looking good.

01:20:25.21
Drew
All

01:20:26.46
Clifton Campbell
so Thanks, guys.

01:20:29.75
Drew
right.

01:20:29.81
Clifton Campbell
See ya.

01:20:30.04
Andrew Coltrin
All right.

01:20:30.46
Ben
Thank you.