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(RERUN) - Unveiling the World of Latex: Persephone's Journey from HBO to the Met Gala
We're absolutely thrilled to welcome the accomplished latex designer, Persephone, to the Talk Dirty To Me podcast! Her captivating journey, from a fledgling fascination sparked by HBO's Real Sex to crafting stunning couture for the Met Gala, is nothing short of inspiring. Strap in as we navigate her latex-laden world, discussing everything from the unique sensory experience of wearing latex, the meticulous craftsmanship required and its role in the world of kink.
Persephone's insights go far beyond the realms of typical fashion discourse. She sheds light on the historical influences on latex fashion, and offers a wealth of knowledge on how to look after these distinctive garments. We share anecdotes about sourcing latex online and integrating it into our wardrobes. And in true Talk Dirty To Me fashion, we also delve into the profound empowerment latex fashion can bring in expressing one's identity.
We also unpack the influence of latex fashion on popular culture. Listen in as Persephone regales us with stories of dressing adult film stars and celebrities in her creations. We'll discuss the world of latex fetish, including its history, products used for garment care and even its application in impact play. Tune in as we pull back the curtain on the fascinating world of latex, offering an insightful look into an often misunderstood but visually arresting corner of the fashion world.
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Speaker 2:Hello, all you sexy beasts, welcome back to Talk Dirty To Me, the podcast for four friends with four different perspectives on kink fetish and sex. Talk dirty to one another and with us today. We have Tostan Aoufesso, the kink oracle. Hello, we have Stephanie Slayton, the queen of spankos. We have Sarah Marie Currie, our sweet, sweet vanilla.
Speaker 2:Hey that's private, I know it's private and here I am, casey, your local neighborhood femdom, and I'm pretty stoked about today's guest everybody. So if you are big into latex, you may know Persephone. Her actual day job is making latex clothing, but she has honed her craft over the past 13 years and is currently working with latex designer Renee Masumian in New York City, and from humble bedrooms to AVN awards to the Met Gala, even, she has done her part to spread the gospel of rubber far and wide. Persephone, thank you so much for being with us today. How are you?
Speaker 4:I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. So you are deep into latex.
Speaker 2:You've been doing it for 13 years.
Speaker 4:Yes, in what capacity so I construct garments.
Speaker 2:So, like when I order a skirt, you'd be the person in the back that they're like we need this skirt here with these specifications, and you literally hand make that item.
Speaker 4:That is correct. Yeah, it's all handmade.
Speaker 2:Wearing latex is really hard. I can only imagine that working with it to create it is even harder.
Speaker 4:It is a very finicky material.
Speaker 2:Yes, how did you get started in latex?
Speaker 4:So I got started because I watched a show when I was in college called HBO's Real Sex. Do you all remember Real Sex? I remember Real Sex.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so unfortunately, it has been scrubbed from the earth, really. Yes, hbo has gotten rid of all of its adult content, I guess because it wants to be more presentable. So with everything else, they got rid of Real Sex, and it doesn't even exist on DVD. You can't find it anywhere. Clips have been removed from YouTube, which really sucks, because it was an awesome show. It was like super sex positive and way ahead of its time in terms of inclusivity. So that's a real shame.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but anyway, does that mean, they got rid of taxi cab professions too? Yes, dude, it's all gone what.
Speaker 3:I know it's horrible. The deep web has this somewhere. We just need to find it.
Speaker 2:The deep web, the deep web. So go on. You saw Real Sex.
Speaker 4:Yes. So there's one episode. I think it's a Real Sex episode 26. They do an episode with a segment on latex and there is a latex designer named the Baroness who was an East Village celebrity. Well, she dabbled in BDSM as a little bit as a pro in the beginning, but then it was more lifestyle and she became a latex designer. So in the episode of Real Sex she does a whole latex demo. So she has people put into latex for the first time. She does liquid latex where you put it on the body and you use like a hairdryer to dry it quickly. There's a vacuum bed that she puts people in.
Speaker 4:So I saw this episode of the show and I was just really blown away by her and the entire realm and I joined her mailing list and I was too young to go to her parties because I was in college. So I just kind of like followed her on the internet for a while and then I was old enough to go to her parties but I was too afraid. I finally did get someone to go to one of her parties with me and I got hit with her bullwhip on the backswing as I was walking to the bathroom some more years past and then finally, I know it's nuts Did she apologize? Did she?
Speaker 4:know, no, no, she didn't even notice. Some more years went by and she on her mailing list. She wrote an email saying that she was looking for interns, and at the time I was just doing random work. So I thought why the hell not Let me?
Speaker 2:give it a shot. Were you crafty at all in your work life? Did you know how to sew or anything? Was this a trajectory? You're going on anyways.
Speaker 4:So I was going to Long Island University for film. So I have a degree in film and a minor in philosophy, Love it so no, that's fantastic. But I was always into costuming and cosplay. So I brought to the interview these gun holsters that I had sewn together out of upholstery leather. When I interviewed with her and she just immediately asked me what are you doing the rest of the day? And I was like nothing. So she told me to come downstairs and immediately started teaching me how to glue together micro skirts. Oh my.
Speaker 2:God. So you basically just immediately started.
Speaker 4:She was like you made holsters.
Speaker 2:Come make this skirt?
Speaker 4:Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:So I guess you were officially hired at that moment.
Speaker 4:There was a trial period where I was an intern to see if I would jive and if I was good at it, and then I became a full-time employee after that.
Speaker 2:Incredible, and I'm assuming you fell in love with it immediately.
Speaker 4:I do love working with my hands and it's really satisfying to have physical proof of your labors at the end of the day, and it's also nice to know that these things that you're making are going to a good home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so kinkwise. Would you say you have a latex kink at all or you just love it as a medium.
Speaker 4:I think both things are true. It is a really unique medium. Nothing else is like latex, nothing else, not even PVC or wet look lycra. You're not going to get what you get sensorily from latex, from any other material.
Speaker 3:Can you describe it sensorily, for maybe someone that has never worn latex or doesn't know fabric textures?
Speaker 4:maybe yeah, sure. So I'd like to say that it is kind of a delight for the five senses. People who are into latex usually like one or all of the five senses that it has to offer. So obviously touch is the first one, and whenever we put a latex virgin into the latex what we like to do is rub your fingertips along the surface, rub your nails along the surface and let them see how that feels, and then you put a latex polish on it which you could use a sex lube. But it's kind of hit or miss. Some of them get kind of gummy on the surface or whatever.
Speaker 4:So it's best to use a polish that is designed specifically for use with latex. You put that on the outside and you rub it around and it gives it that wet look and it completely changes how your body receives sensations once it's been lubed up. So you drag your fingertips along and suddenly you feel it almost more extreme and you feel the body heat of a hand more. The sensations transfer more once it's been lubed. So it goes from being somewhat sensory deprivation to being sensory enhancement in a way. So that's the touch aspect. I'm not hugely into the taste factor, but some people do like to not they like it once it's oiled.
Speaker 4:So if you're using a polish, it should be body safe. Some of it maybe isn't, so you may want to look into what you're using to shine up your latex. It may be best to go all natural if you're going to chop away on it on somebody. I love the way that it sounds. The sound is one of my favorite things. Some people don't get the sound, because my favorite sound you only get with loose latex. A lot of people are familiar with snapping, tight latex, which is usually a no-no. If you are in the club and somebody's got their latex on and you grab a pinch of it so it can snap on their skin, that's usually not a thing that you should do and it could potentially damage the latex. There is the snapping, but it's not my favorite. My favorite is when you have a huge gown or a voluminous skirt and you walk down a hallway and you hear the latex rumble like thunder. Oh my.
Speaker 6:God, I don't think you hear that. That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 4:It's really cool. I love that.
Speaker 4:It must be really hard to shine a giant gown with a loose skirt it is, except we now have products for all of this. So I should say that in the olden days, when people were first wearing latex, you would use baby powder to help you get into it. Now we have lube. Thank God for lube. People still use baby powder.
Speaker 4:You can use baby powder if you want, but it will mix with your sweat and produce this kind of milky residue, so it's not my favorite. So there are products that you can use to help you get into the latex, and it's usually the same thing that you polish the outside with. If you want to be hardcore, there are certain brands that make different products for everything, but you can just use the same one. So you put it on your body to help you get into the latex and then you shine the outside. Now there's a few products in the market where you add it to a couple of drops of it to water and you just swish it around and hang it up and the whole thing is shiny and also lubed on the inside.
Speaker 2:So you get a little, oh you like, put it in a bucket, this product, and then you just put the whole garment in there and then it's lubed on the inside and lubed on the outside, and all you have to do is put it on.
Speaker 4:Yep, you just hang it up.
Speaker 2:Oh, fantastic. I'm going to ask you the name of that when I tell you about my first latex story. Awesome.
Speaker 5:Do you ever make pieces for yourself? Oh, all the time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you got to wear your own stuff. You also want people to see your own stuff.
Speaker 2:So they want to buy it. How often are you in latex? Is it like a grocery store thing for you, or is it only for occasions?
Speaker 4:No, Some people do ask me do you wear it while you're making the clothes? And the truth is that it's too expensive to be wearing it around to do grocery shopping. I like to think of latex as a luxury item and I want to wear it as a special occasion in certain circumstances. So I'm not going to wear it when I'm working because I want to respect the material. So there's a time and a place for my latex.
Speaker 2:There's a time and a place for my latex. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:Now I want a little clock that has latex time on it. You can just turn the hand it's latex time.
Speaker 2:Have you ever have aspirations of being a designer, or are you able to design your own stuff and make it because you have access to a workshop?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't think of myself as a fashion designer I went to film school but I love fashion and style and dressing and cosplay, so I know what I like and I'll usually find reference photos for things that I'm into or particular design elements and then I'll talk through it with Renee and we'll come up with a piece together. I don't know how to do pattern making, so I need someone who went to fashion school to do that part for me. But a lot of the events that we go to or some of them have themes, which is really great because it gives you some creative inspiration to make a garment to go with the theme. So I've made a lot of really fun stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise.
Speaker 4:Recently we did a 1920s party and Renee had this amazing book of historical fashion from the 20s and 30s and there was this phenomenal drawing of a burlesque performer from the 20s and she had on this outfit where it only had one pant leg, so only the one leg was fully covered and then the other side was a bikini style, which I thought was pretty dope. So we did a version of that for me to wear to this party and Renee made this amazing 1930s cocoon robe and this great gown with tassels and this halo headpiece thing. It was really cool.
Speaker 4:The piece that I was like most hardcore about, though, was I've always wanted to have a 1700s menswear Rococo outfit. I am dead Because the Marquis de Sade's one of my heroes, so I always wanted to have that. So I was able to realize that dream, and it's made with special latex that's textured to look like brocade material.
Speaker 4:So it's like this gorgeous silvery blue and it has this brocade swirl silver pattern in it and we used a, again a historical pattern making book to make this as accurate as possible. So it's the frock coat with amazing tails and the knee britches with the buttons of the side and a vest, and I have a a poet shirt that goes underneath it and each sleeve is a full yard of material that has been gathered at the shoulders and the rest. Made out of latex, all latex. It's so it's so heavy.
Speaker 3:I have to see this. Is there a picture? I?
Speaker 4:can show you pictures. Yes, please.
Speaker 2:We'll be posting them to the Instagram, as long as Persephone is okay with it, because this sounds amazing, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've been snooping.
Speaker 5:This is like my porn. Like I want to hear you describe that all over again.
Speaker 3:I've been snooping around on the on the website of the designer you work with, renee Masumian.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:I say that correctly and I guys they have a latex sweater. There's latex. For me it's a sweater.
Speaker 2:Oversized and comfy why did latex?
Speaker 3:I don't know, but everything is so, so beautiful. In case, it's really funny, because the hands off dress reminds me of your burlesque outfit.
Speaker 2:I saw that it was me. I saw that I was like oh I need that dress. I would like to sneak into your closet Persephone.
Speaker 4:Look at all the beautiful things. I have a lot, so I keep most of it in a 66 court. Tupperware yes.
Speaker 2:Love it.
Speaker 4:Yeah most store like Tex in a certain way, you do have to store it in a certain way. So most latex is skin tight and it's it's okay to fold it up. So what we tell people to do is, after you, wash it. After you wear it, you want to wash it. So for me, washing I think the best thing to do is just a sink or a tub with a few inches of warm water. You don't need to use any soap, just plain water. Latex is non porous. Whatever got on the outside is just going to come off. There's a reason why you wear rubber gloves to do your dishes, so just plain water.
Speaker 4:A sidebar to that is certain things can make your latex not happy. One of those things is vitamin E, which is frequently in soap, and vitamin E will break down the bonds inside the seams, so it's best to just avoid soap. If you really want to use soap, you can use a couple of drops of a dish soap and then rinse it with clear water afterwards, and then you hang it up to air dry. When the outside's dry, flip it inside out so the inside can dry, and then, depending on what kind of a garment it is, you may want to powder the inside so it doesn't stick to itself. So when it's totally dry, sprinkle a little bit of baby powder, cornstarch in there, rub it around and then you can fold it and keep it in a Ziploc bag so that nothing else can touch it and you can put that in a drawer or you can have a dedicated area for it.
Speaker 4:It's good to keep it out of the sun because if you leave it hanging up in front of the sun it can get sun damage where it gets these kind of loom spots of a powdery whiteness. So it's better to keep it out of the sun. But that's if you leave it for days on a window sill and don't be worried about wearing it outside during the day, like that'll be fine. If you have a larger garment, like a Rococo menswear suit, then you should hang it up in a closet with a garment bag over it so again nothing else can touch it that could damage it. So most of my line decks is folded in Ziplocs in this 66 quart Tupperware. But the flowy garments you want to try to hang up and if it's really heavy, like a big skirt or slacks, I like to get one of those padded cloth hangers and drape it over the arm of the hanger so that all the weight isn't just on the shoulders, because over time that can make the latex lose its shape and stretch out a bit.
Speaker 2:You know, I recently got my first latex item and I went on. The first of all it was off William Wilde.
Speaker 2:It was on where to go, and that's just one of the first places it pops up when you Google it no-transcript. I emailed them because I'm sure it's like this for all A-text sites. But they're like um, everything is made to size, so send us the right size. Um, nothing can be returned or exchanged. Ever, forever and ever, I'm in. But there's really no. The sizing guide, what like? There was really no good way to know what size I should order. Um, it was relatively unhelpful. So I even emailed them and was like um, this is what's happening. What size should I get? These are. This is why I'm confused. And they wrote back and said uh well, according to our size chart, you should get this size. But I mean, if it's not right, you can't send it back. Oh my God, thanks, thank you for your help. So I just guessed and I bought it's a pencil skirt. A high-waisted pencil skirt is black, totally basic.
Speaker 2:Um, so my first, the beginning of my journey, was um, unanswered questions, um, and then I got the skirt and I think it's beautiful and I had it for a while before I wore it for the first time, and then again I was like oh my God, I know latex is special and there's processes, and I went on YouTube to try to find somebody to tell me what that process was, and it doesn't exist. At least, I couldn't find somebody being like God latex. This is what you do, um. Here are the products you need. So I accumulated information from places. Nobody gives product names, um, but this is what I ended up doing, based on what I was able to find was talcum powder, um to put it on, and then I just bought a random shine thing shine oil that was for latex garments from Amazon. I got the talcum powder and I did not mean to, but it is the biggest jug of talcum powder that one could purchase. I will have talcum powder for decades, um, and knowing what I know now, I wish I had gotten oil, because talcum powder, while it's fine, it definitely like kind of gets everywhere and then it's hard to shine out and it's just awkward. I don't recommend it, um, but I so.
Speaker 2:Then putting it on. There was no instructions on putting it on, so I'm putting it on and it is a difficult to put on my body and I didn't know if it's because I got the wrong size, um, or if that's just how latex goes on, but it was very tight and it's cut precisely right. So the waist is small and then there's hips and then it tapers down. So I have to go past the big hip part to get the tiny waist part to my waist. And the whole time I was like, oh my God, I'm going to bust this 200 and something dollar skirt and you just kind of have to like wiggle it up. And I got it on my body and I was like I think it fits, but I have no way of telling if this is how latex is supposed to feel.
Speaker 2:Um, and then I started shining it and that's when I fucking fell in love with it because nothing beats that sound and how it feels when you're rubbing your own body or somebody else is shining your latex skirt for you.
Speaker 2:It's a combination of the sound and the feeling on top of it. I was like, oh my God, this is why people love latex and I want to be in it all the time now and I'm so sad that it's so very expensive, because it's fucking amazing. So I wore it out for the first time. I did a photo shoot in it, but then I also went out to a shrine party, which is a kink party here in Austin. It's a party in many places, but I was like, oh, I'm going to be super dummy and I'm going to wear my latex skirt out to this party and it's going to be great. So I have like this black mesh body suit with the pencil skirt on over it and I'm wearing stiletto heels and I look fucking awesome. Like from across the room.
Speaker 2:If you looked at me, you'd be like dumb. That girl is a dumb, she looks like a fucking dumb and I was like the hottest thing there and it was amazing and I loved it. However, I felt like a sausage not in a bad way. I was just very hugged and I could not walk. So, while I looked like a dumb, I could not act like a dumb. One time I had to go upstairs while I was wearing the skirt and I was like, oh my God, how is this going to go, because I can't separate my knees. This is a problem. And I had two people with me and I was like I'm just going to go behind them so they don't have to see whatever it is I have to do to get up these stairs.
Speaker 3:And one of them was being sweet and was like ladies first, I'm going to go ahead and I was like fuck, no, that's a kink thing called a hobble skirt right when you like literally can't move in it. You're just being extra kinky. You should have made them carry you, casey I should have next time.
Speaker 2:Next time I just am not going to take stairs. Anyways, I made it up and down. Going down was easier, going up was terribly awkward. But I love latex. I want to wear it all the time to the events. I would like a large latex collection. I inspire. I suggest everybody get a piece of latex and try it, because you don't know the glory of latex until you've had it on your body. And now that I know there's things you can just add to water and dip your latex in it and then take it out and it's done. Wham bam, get rid of that talcum powder. I'm going to just throw it all away.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I've had a similar experience to you with hobble skirts. So people really like the latex knee length skirt to be really tight down around their knees, because if you actually give the skirt enough room for you to have a stride, then it doesn't give you that silhouette that's in all the drawings but it literally does make it impossible to move. It's for standing still and looking good. Yeah, so of course we have those. So Renee gifted me one of our designs when I first started working for her and it does really nip and around the knees there and I was wearing it to work in we were doing a pop-up shop and I wore it out into the New York subway to show up there dressed and it really was like the thymaster situation.
Speaker 4:My thighs were burning by the time I got to this club and then I had to sell latex. So I think it's silly to have your latex that tight around your legs. I think if you get a knee length skirt, then it should be a little more roomy there at the hem so you can actually walk in it. But a lot of them are designed to be really, really tight there. So I would go for something that was shorter, go mid-thigh, and then that won't be an issue for you. Yeah, I also want to point this out before we get too far away from it, that you use the word oil, and I just want to make a distinction. You don't want to actually use oil, because oil oil like baby oil any kind of oil is another thing that will disintegrate latex.
Speaker 4:There's a video on YouTube somewhere of somebody just putting a dropper of oil on a balloon and it bursts. So real oil or even some perfume can damage latex over time. So you don't want to actually use baby oil to help you get dressed or shine up your latex. You want to use a product specifically designed for latex. That's the best. But you can also use sex lube. If you're going to use sex lube, I recommend a water-based lube and the thinnest, wateriest. You wouldn't actually want to use this for sex. Water-based lube to shine up the outside. Never use KY jelly. Someone did that once. They were going to bind and they used KY and they sent. We made this amazing jacket for them. It was for a wedding. They were officiating a wedding and we made this tailcoat with rhinestone applique and they used KY jelly and they sent it back to us. It was encrusted with this white dry scum all over it and we had to use a special citrus-based cleaner to get it off. Nothing was getting this off, so don't use KY.
Speaker 4:Products that I will name drop for you are a German product called Vivishine. Vivishine you only add that to water, so after you wash your latex. But before it's dry, before you store it again, you feel it's usually better to use a bucket or a sink and you only need a little bit of Vivishine. I think the directions on the bottle say a full cap, but that's nuts. A little bit of it. But it also depends on how big the garment is and how many of them you're doing at the same time. Use a little bit at first, especially if you only have one garment. You dip it in, swoosh it around and then just lift it up and let it air dry.
Speaker 4:The other product you can use is called Beegloss and that's B-E gloss beegloss, and they have a whole line of things. They have a latex wash, so you add that to the water when you're washing it. They have a dressing aid that you put either on yourself or on the inside of the garment. Then they have polish for the outside of the garment. They also have this one thing that's daylight protectant and it's a spray shine that protects it from UV rays. So there's a lot of stuff that's super hardcore. I did find that to be useful when we had a shop window and it really does protect it from the sun, because for years everything that I put the mannequins in would end up with some kind of damage on it where it was bleached by the sun. But once I use that it actually works. I don't know how useful it is in everyday use, but beegloss is definitely one of the products that we use. So with beegloss you can do both you can apply it topically or you can add it to water.
Speaker 2:So these are the products that you're talking about. You can just dip it in water, add it to the water, dip it in the water and put it on your body as beegloss.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but you wait for it to dry, because I mean, you can put it on wet, but like, why would you do that?
Speaker 2:I see, so you have to have foresight and scheduling at mind. You're like, if I'm going to wear my latex dress, I'm going to have to dip it, to lube it at seven, so that it's definitely dry by eight, so I can spend the next 45 minutes trying to get into it. So I'm ready to go by nine. Got it, yeah, and it does dry really fast, it does because it's not on porous, so it dries really quickly, definitely.
Speaker 4:I would say, if you can try latex on I know that it's hard because there aren't a lot of us around and most of us are in the UK but it's always better to try it on if you can, because it is dicey ordering it online and everybody has a different size chart. All the different designers design for different body shapes and you kind of don't know that going in. But some designers design for a more curvy silhouette. Some of them design for people who are more straight up and down. A lot of people do made to measure but again, like not everybody has the same idea about how you like to wear your latex. So some people like it really skin tight, in which case it's probably a size too small, holy shit. Some people like it loose, and then it's a size too big. There's usually a size that is actually just right for you. Like Goldilocks, I would say that the skirt that you have is probably one size too small for you, and it does suck that they don't do returns, because we do exchange for size.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not like it was a custom order. It's just something that was ordered to a size in their site. So I mean I know they'll sell it. I just didn't understand why it was unreasonable to exchange sizes.
Speaker 5:Especially if, you don't know, you could resell it on eBay or something. You could do that, but that does suck.
Speaker 4:We like to do exchanges for size, especially if it's not a custom piece and it wasn't made to measure. They should take returns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll just order from you guys next time. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm really trying to listen and pay attention, but I'm basically just shopping on a scripted.
Speaker 5:Miss Ruby, I'm holding off why you sent that why you sent that, because I literally have to be like no, you're on a podcast, stop looking. I have a whole shopping list already.
Speaker 3:I put in our chat the ruffle shirt y'all, and then I found that fucking ruffle like Edwardian collar. And then there's this collar that's like made of a net. Oh, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2:And I think because the chat is insane guys, it's just links.
Speaker 3:It's just all of us are shopping now, but I love so much how you articulated about. You and Casey both articulated about the texture and the way the feeling of it changes, and I personally am definitely going to buy like one of those pairs of fingerless gloves just so I can feel what the texture is like, because that sounds really, really magical. And why is it so expensive? Who knows why. Where does it come from? Is it made of unicorns? What is it?
Speaker 4:So I think it dates back to World War II when people had on their rubber boots and various kinds of equipment to do the war. So some of the oldest fetish images come from the UK and people are in their wellies and their giant rubber max or raincoats sloshing around in the mud. They're really diaphanous garments like huge piece sheets that you're wearing and then it segues into gas masks. So a lot of these images have gas masks which are rubber you know, rubber gaskets on them. One of the oldest magazines that was printed is a magazine called Adam Age Adam as in atomic Adam Age and that was in the UK. Just one person made the Adam Age. I wish I could give you his name. We can Google it. But yeah, that was like a mail order miniature zine, if you will, of latex fetishes from way back in Britain Amazing.
Speaker 3:Wow, I need to not look at Wikipedia or I'm never going to come back. I'm just going to keep shopping in Wikipedia because it's all so fascinating. Now, why is it expensive? Why can't I have lots of it for free?
Speaker 4:So it's mainly expensive because of the sheeting. Latex is an it really is an all natural, organic product that is biodegradable, and it comes from sap from the rubber tree what, yeah? So, like maple syrup, they have rubber trees that they tap and they have collection wells and it comes out as this white sap from the tree and then it's cured and some chemicals are added to it so that you can make a smooth sheet and at that point you also add in the dye. All of these trees are in South America or Southeast Asia, and then the really quality latex sheeting is somehow filtered through the UK. So there are a few suppliers in the UK who supply almost everyone with latex sheeting. So most of us are using the same base material, and that base material is really expensive per yard. And then you also have to factor in the shipping costs.
Speaker 4:So anyone who's outside of Britain has to pay a lot of money because of how much latex weighs Anyone who's in America making latex. It costs even more for us because we have to import it and the shipping fee is a lot. Then everything that you use to make latex is not cheap. A lot of hobbyists or people who are crafty have started to try to make their own latex because they think that it's really expensive. Then they discover that it's actually not super cheap to make on your own either, because one you have to buy the sheeting. The sheeting is even more expensive if you don't buy it in bulk. You usually have to buy at least five yards. If you're making stuff yourself, that's a lot of sheeting in one color. The other things that you need to make latex are a cutting board.
Speaker 1:Sorry real quick, because I'm very confused and I want to know. You've said sheeting a few times and I've been trying to context clue it and I got nothing.
Speaker 4:Okay. Well, this is basically like regular cloth that you buy on a bolt. So latex sheeting usually comes in a continuous bolt for however many yards you want. So if you order 10 yards, it's all continuous, and they roll it on one of those big poster tubes and that's how you get it in the mail.
Speaker 4:So we call it latex sheeting, but it's by the yard. There are some manufacturers who make textured latex and then it's even more expensive and those are usually sold per sheet, which is around a yard or a meter long and wide, and those are individual sheets that are then just wrapped around the pole. So textured latex while it looks super awesome and it's totally cool and worth it, it's even more money per yard. So right, the other things you need are a cutting board. It's cut with rotary razors, like cutting a pizza. It's a rotary razor and rotary razors you need to replace.
Speaker 4:So that is an ongoing cost. You don't just buy one and done. You've got to replace it whenever the blade gets dull. Then you have to buy the glue, which, of course, you use up, and have to buy more glue. The glue is a rubber-based glue, so you want a rubber cement because it has to be a glue that remains stretchy even after it's cured, so you can't use hot glue or anything else. It's just going to crack and fall apart. So you need rubber cement type of glue. People also use tire glue to bond the latex.
Speaker 4:There's a bunch of different kinds of glues. I don't like to use the tire glue because it's more toxic. That's another thing about it is you kind of want a ventilated area because the tire glue is really more toxic and you kind of want to keep the lid on the jar as much as possible. I like to use the more rubber, cement kind of glues. And then you need the solvent to make the glue less thick, because if it's too thick you can see it in the seams and it doesn't smooth out as nice. And you also use the solvent to clean off excess glue. If you make your seam too wide or it shows, you use the solvent to clean that off.
Speaker 4:We use rubber, like we put on rubber gloves, and like a cotton ball to clean up the excess glue, because you don't want to get the solvent on your fingers because again, it's toxic what else? And then we have baby powder to put on so it doesn't stick to itself, and then it takes time to learn how to make it. So the hardest thing to learn how to do is to actually stick it together. So anybody can do it, but it's going to look ugly for a while Because it stretches.
Speaker 4:You're going to stretch it when you first start putting it together. All the seams are wrong side to right side, so you're just putting them on top of each other. So you have to stick them together by hand and usually your dominant hand is going to stretch one side of the latex. So if you're doing a mini skirt, they start off the same length and when you start sticking together, by the time you get to the end, you've got two inches longer on one side than the other. And you're like, how did this happen? But it's your hand just unconsciously stretching it and you don't even realize it.
Speaker 4:So sticking it together is the hardest part and that's just muscle memory. It just takes ages to just do it over and over and over again until your hands learn how to do it. And it's harder to go around a curve because you have to make the latex go around the curve and it doesn't want to do it and it's going to be buckled and bumpy. And you can even see the difference in your finger pressure when you're sticking a seam. If you press harder and then let up on your pressure, you'll see the divot in the seam.
Speaker 4:So, oh, this sounds stressful. It takes a long time to be able to do it pretty Like you can do it right away, but it's ugly as sin. It takes a while to train your hands how to do it properly. So that's another reason why it's expensive, because it takes a trained artisan to be able to make it pretty, especially the really complex designs with special elements. It takes months of training in order to do it good, wow. And then you're a skilled artisan who needs to be paid a living wage. So that's a certain amount of dollars per hour in the US.
Speaker 3:So it's expensive.
Speaker 2:That's incredible. How many pieces can you construct?
Speaker 4:a day. That depends on the garment. So if it's a bra, a bra lid or a halter top or something like, I could do a bunch of them in a day, but if it's a huge gown or something with rhinestones, that could take several days. What about the?
Speaker 3:ruffle jumper that I now want, the like onesie jumper with the pink frills.
Speaker 4:I think that one takes at least two days. It may be more.
Speaker 2:I haven't made that one yet that's only two days to do all of those tiny ruffles. Check the show notes. I'll put the link in the show notes.
Speaker 3:It's so cute. Someone buy it for me.
Speaker 2:One of you dirty people Buy it for me why do you think I took up fin doming? Because I want them to support my latex habit.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness, I get it. Guys, I think I'm going to become a dom now. How do I do it? What is it? Do I have to talk about it?
Speaker 5:Ooh, I know, yes, dang it. How do you get the latex different colors? Do you dye it or do you order it that way? So I've seen like hot pink latex, or is that not really?
Speaker 4:latex. Oh yeah, when you buy the latex, when we buy the sheeting, it's colored already, so you just buy it just like any other fabric. You buy it in the color that you want it in, and the textured latex is the same way, so usually you can get leopard print on pink or silver or blue, or you can have the spots be a different color. Sometimes that's more of a special order, but, yeah, it arrives to us already colored. However, rene does some really cool stuff with hand-painted latex, and that, literally, is using various dyes. We're experimenting right now with henna dye, but we've used just hair dye in the past, and she just hand paints it, so she's done various kinds of splatters. She also has one that is like a feathery look, but we could paint any design, like watercolor flowers, that kind of thing you could just paint onto the latex.
Speaker 4:When you're doing that, though, you do want to be careful about hanging it up, because sometimes the dye does transfer to different parts of the latex or different garments that are next to it in your closet, which is why you want to hang it in like a dry cleaning bag. But yeah, you don't want it to touch other things, because sometimes the dye that you put on yourself does transfer and even sometimes the dye from the manufacturers can bleed. There are a couple of colors that will stain white latex if they're next to each other. There's also a couple that can sometimes stain your skin for a little bit. There was like a raspberry pink for a while. That made your skin pink when you took off your clothes. It comes off eventually, but, you know, eventually.
Speaker 2:I took off my dress, but I'm still in my dress.
Speaker 3:Tosen has some sexy questions in the chat that I also find to be sexy.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm patient, I don't want to, if the case has got a trainer.
Speaker 2:No, get in it, get in it.
Speaker 1:Where do I want to start? Okay, I'm looking at all these things and I've wanted to. Latex seems interesting to me. I'm a heatness, I like being touched, but I have literally never seen anyone my size. If you don't know what I look like, I'm a 400 pound black man, big belly, and I'm Harry. So I've never seen anybody my size in latex. Is there talking about like how heavy it is and like all of that? I imagine trying to make like a latex suit or outfit for someone my size is might have some complications. Can you speak to that? And also, can you do it if you're Harry?
Speaker 4:Of course you could do it if you're Harry. Well look, lube makes anything possible, True words have never been spoken.
Speaker 3:All the stuff but stuff.
Speaker 4:So that is true. You are going to probably want made to measure latex. There are some designers that have plus size latex. It's harder to design for plus size because everybody has a different body shape. So some people carry their weight mostly in the front, some people have it all the way around, some people it's different arm leg situation, so it's hard to do a one size fits all the more plus size you get.
Speaker 4:So we like to do made to measure for that and we've absolutely made plus size latex over my career and it is made to measure. So you would just want someone to take absolutely all of your measurements your whole body, everything and then it would probably be best, like if we were going to make you something, we would probably send you a mock-up first to make sure that it fits you right. Because if you were going to get something with snake apple, the case or ruffles or whatever, we would want to just send you a basic mock-up to make sure it fits you perfectly. Then you would give that back to us and then we would make it fancy somehow. But made to measure is definitely the way to go.
Speaker 4:I do always like to tell people that you can be any size. To wear latex, you just need a garment that's flattering to your body. So I rally against anyone who thinks that you have to be a zero sample size runway model in order to wear latex, and it drives me crazy whenever I see that, and it's usually someone who comes by and is wearing spandex and says, oh, I could never wear latex.
Speaker 4:And I'm like you're already wearing a scanty garment. But latex can absolutely fit any body shape and it just needs to be something that flatters you and is made for your size. Don't get something that makes you feel like a stuffed sausage.
Speaker 5:Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4:I usually like to put people in as a starting garment. I usually tell people you want to start with less coverage, so no sleeves. A skirt, shorts, underwear, that kind of thing. Skating skirts are my favorite because they're super easy to wear.
Speaker 3:They're only what's a skating skirt.
Speaker 4:It's just a circle with a waistband. Yeah. So only the waistband is tight to your body and the rest of it just flares out. That's super easy to wear. Everybody can wear it, Everybody looks good in it, including people who are male presenting. Or a tank dress. I actually love putting male presenting people in tank dresses because I'm really big into cross-dressing. But tank dresses are great because, again, no sleeves, short skirt you just put it on. It's like a tank top that just goes mid-thigh. Don't start out in a cat suit.
Speaker 2:Also, don't start out in a longer than knee-length pencil skirt.
Speaker 4:Yeah, hollow skirt. Don't do it, I wish.
Speaker 2:I had this podcast before I bought my first latex.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah, don't start out in a cat suit, because you graduate to that, because full-body enclosure is a much different experience than wearing a dress or shorts. Yeah, you do feel it when your whole body is in it Amazing, that's another part of it too. A lot of people who are latex fetishes are into total enclosure. They want the sensory deprivation of having themselves be totally covered, also the anonymity of it and the safety of it. You want to have your boots on, you want to have your gloves on. You frequently have a hood and you're completely obscured. There's also an objectification level to that as well, where you're just a thing.
Speaker 2:No identity. Yeah, exactly, I had a friend that went to a kink party recently and said he saw a back bed. He told me about the back bed and I've never really heard about a back bed before. He said there was a bunch of people at this party and somebody would get into the back bed and all the air would be sucked out and the only thing exposed was your mouth so you could breathe. Then all the people around you would just rub their hands all over you. I'm not into stranger touch, especially when my whole body is game. When I heard about that back bed I was like I want that because latex is awesome and I bet that's amazing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the thing about the back bed is that you do get that safety feeling because the latex is between you and all of those people touching you. So they're touching you but they're not touching you, which is why I was like I could do that, Like it feels safer.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Yes, back beds are a really amazing experience. I do prefer the ones where only your mouth or you have a breathing tube. They also make ones that have a neck gasket, so your head is out, but I think that's cheating. I think it's better to have your eyes and your ears covered with the latex, because it also makes it so that you can't see and it muffles your hearing a little bit. Then you get this amazing sensory experience of being in the back bed and what happens there.
Speaker 4:So we would put ice cubes on people in a back bed and that's a fun thing to do. We also had some metal floggers and you put them in a refrigerator or a freezer beforehand and then you just sort of trail them over the latex and you get the frozen metal ball bearings going over you. You can also be splashed with water of different temperatures and then, of course, you can lube it up. That's super fun. You can also do impact play through the vacuum bed as well. There was one time where I really like to kind of get on on it, you know, and I was a little too overzealous and I was rolling around on top of it and I ended up snapping one of the PVC pipes inside the bed.
Speaker 4:Worth it? I bet it was worth it. It was. It was really fun, oh my goodness. The other thing that I really like is inflatable latex. I don't know if you have seen this, but inflatable latex is exactly that. So there's an inner layer and an outer layer and you just inflate it, usually with like a bicycle pump, and there are inflatable hoods, so your head is like completely covered and you have a mouthpiece and then there's this pocket of air that balloons your head. There's also inflatable straight jackets, which are really awesome. So, yeah, that's just any latex that you see is is two layers and then the air is inserted in between those two things, so you you can't feel the outside at all. You're, you're in the inner layer and then there's this fun air pocket that everyone else can squish around. And my favorite part is when you deflate it, because you have to squish the air out, and I love that because you just bear hug whos ever in the inflatable straight jacket and just squish the air out, and it's really fun.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I want to come to your work with you.
Speaker 3:I love this so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sorry, I didn't mean to oh go on.
Speaker 5:It's OK. I just you mentioned earlier that like it's not OK to like snap it, like to pull it, but then you said that it was OK to do impact play, so can, like someone, wear latex and experience impact. That's not a good idea.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, you can do that. A lot of people do do that. I'm being preferent, I. I haven't actually seen the latex ever split or anything like that because of impact play. Sometimes if you're wearing latex leggings and you're doing a lot of impact play, sometimes the surface of the latex on your butt will lose sort of its luster there. But you can just add some shine and as long as the shine remains wet like, you won't see that, but I've never seen anybody's latex split. Usually we call that a blowout and that usually only happens either if the seam wasn't adhered properly or, most commonly, if it gets punctured.
Speaker 4:So latex is pretty durable. You can stretch it a lot without it breaking. But if it's poked with something sharp it will tear and most people damage their latex by poking a nail, a fingernail, through it as they're trying to get dressed or undressed, so you can actually do that and then it gets torn. It usually doesn't happen during impact play because it's it's not something sharp. So you do want to avoid things like vampire gloves or something like that. You would never want to use that on latex. But a paddle or spanking or even a single tail, a bull whip I've I've never seen that actually make the latex break. If your latex does break, then you can take it to skilled professionals such as myself and we can do repairs.
Speaker 2:No kidding, it can be repaired, so you can like, melt it back together.
Speaker 4:Well, basically it's like repairing a pool toy.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's patched.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's patched. Yeah, so what? What you do is you just use another piece of latex and you patch it. So what I do is I'll trace where your tear is, so I know exactly the size and shape of it and I'll make a pattern based on that, and then I use tape to tape it shut, and then I will glue the patch on the inside and if you do it right, it should be as seamless as possible.
Speaker 3:Per Stephanie, really important observation there was a pupper behind you and I feel like I need to see it a little bit closer.
Speaker 5:Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3:I could tell if it was a cat or a pupper. Oh, there's two of them Hello.
Speaker 4:He's cute. So that's panko and this over here is crouton. Oh my God.
Speaker 5:My goodness.
Speaker 4:They are Japanese chins, so cute.
Speaker 5:Oh my God, is that crouton?
Speaker 2:We have to edit this part out, because people can't see it.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't share, I need it.
Speaker 5:This is the reason why you should subscribe to the podcast is because of crouton and panko.
Speaker 3:And panko yeah.
Speaker 5:Panko Perfect.
Speaker 3:Both delicious bread toppings yeah.
Speaker 1:Per Stephanie, have you seen the movie Gone in 60 Seconds I don't think I have.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's a movie about people who steal cars, and there's a car that they give them names, and one of the cars name is Eleanor, and it's basically the car that the main character has not been able to steal. It's like his arch nemesis. No matter, every time he tries to do it, something goes terribly wrong. So I was wondering if you had like a project or something that you've like wanted to make that is defeated. You Like what is your latex, eleanor?
Speaker 4:Oh geez, you know, I don't know if have I been defeated. We usually figure out a way to make it work. I mean, some of them have been a real bitch, but but eventually we make it work.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's been the what's been the bitchiest.
Speaker 4:Well, a new thing that we have been forced to learn how to do is cover shoes with latex.
Speaker 4:Oh we've had a couple of celebrities who are really into this. So you can only do it with fabric shoes. You can't do leather or vegan leather. It has to be a fabric and you rubberize the material. So there's an additional type of glue and just latex.
Speaker 4:Actually, it's not a glue, it's late, it's, it's liquid latex. So you use liquid latex to coat the shoe and then you let that dry and then you can cover shoes. You can cover it in glue and you have to make a pattern of the shoe and smooth it on and it's really hard, it sucks. It's really hard because the shoe is like a, not a great shape to do that with. So to get it all all around the shoe without bumps or ripples in it is really difficult and it takes a lot of tries. You just have to just peel it off with solvent and keep on doing it over and over again. Oh no, yeah, it sucks. And the worst one was I don't know why this is a thing now, but now that they're really into attached shoes, like they want their pants attached to their- shoes.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, that is true, that is hot.
Speaker 4:Right like denim pants with an attached boot and I'm like, how do you even wash that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, how do you wash that? You throw it away after wearing it. You're just so rich. You just wear it once and then that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4:But yeah, so we had to do a pair of latex leggings with attached booties and that sucked but we did it and it was kind of fun because it was a pair of Balenciagas Whoa. And then Renee just took a pair of scissors to love and chopped them up and that was a very cathartic experience. I bet Not many people get that opportunity. Yeah, it was really fun and in the end they came out really good. So that was great and now we know how to do latex covered shoes. So that's a new service that we're offering to cover for people yeah.
Speaker 4:And you can have a total latex boot $100,000 a shoe, I mean no joke.
Speaker 1:So, on the other side of that, what is your like? Sistine Chapel Like what is your your masterpiece?
Speaker 4:Oh gosh, that's also a really tough question.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go with the counterpoint to your Marquis de Sud suit. Just full, you know, like Marie Antoinette dress, all ruffles, a million pounds, no.
Speaker 4:It would be really heavy. Yeah, I mean, the Marquis de Sud outfit is probably really high up there on my list of things that I am proud of, especially because it is a historical pattern. So that's like you know, society of the creative and acronism level of construction, but made out of latex. So I love that and it was my dream piece that I wanted to own forever. So I do love my Marquis de Sud piece. I also made a wig to go with it. It was my first time making a wig, so I got it. It was just waist length and then I had a bunch of hair rollers and got to be glued hairspray and a hairdryer and I made this amazing Rococo wig to go with it. So that outfit was a labor of love.
Speaker 2:You are a fantastic creature. Yeah, I cannot wait to see this.
Speaker 5:Oh my goodness, I'm very, very excited.
Speaker 3:But like if you could make anything out of latex, money, time, no object. Do you have anything in your imagination like shoot for the stars, sort of dream, or are you like tapped out because you've achieved enlightenment with your Rococo suit?
Speaker 4:No, there's always something else, you know, because I love costuming, so there's always something else. I have a dragon outfit that I have been wanting to make for five years and I have the latex. It is textured latex, that is, various kinds of snake scale print and fish scale print. And I want to make this dragon queen outfit and I want to make wings, latex wings with wire armature in it.
Speaker 3:I would also like you to make this outfit. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:Do that. I will One of these days. I also want, like the outfit is so ridiculous, I want to also have a dragon cock with, with, you know, strap on as part of the outfit.
Speaker 1:And horns yeah everything.
Speaker 4:So one day I'll have my latex dragon queen outfit. Oh my God, love it so much.
Speaker 2:Also, the dragon cock was on my Amazon wishlist.
Speaker 4:If you're into like fantastical monster cocks, I highly recommend going on to Etsy. There's a lot of people on there who make fun fun dildos Good to know.
Speaker 3:Good to know. Stephanie is pretty nonverbal at this point. Her face is just for the listeners. Her face has melted and she's just kind of drooling into the microphone about everything. Everything, yeah.
Speaker 5:Everything for Stephanie is said. This is my dream episode.
Speaker 3:Do you have any fashion questions, Stephanie?
Speaker 5:A billion One. Well, no one's a statement. I just can't wait to pop my latex cherry. I've never worn it. Do you find it like? Oh, have you ever made latex costumes for drag queens? Because I always see them wear them on drag race and I always wonder if it's real because they move so much in them. I mean, maybe it was good.
Speaker 4:They should be real. Yeah, you can. You can perform in latex. Yeah, we definitely have made outfits, because, with drag queens and other people who do cross dressing, you need to account for their chicken cutlets Indeed. So that's something that you have to ask in advance, like what is your bust size going to be, and factor that into your pattern making. You can make the latex do anything. One of my favorite things that I worked on was a pair of costumes for aerialists here in New York City and they had a performance that was based on Mortal Kombat, so they were Malina and Katana from Mortal Kombat and they did this amazing aerialist choreographed fight in the air in these costumes that we made for them and they they were totally made out of latex. So, yes, you can do crazy things in your latex costumes.
Speaker 5:Amazing. That was all my. That's all my question question. I'm sure there's more I'll think of them, but I'm more just like fantasizing in my head. I've like dissociated six times in the best way.
Speaker 2:It does cost you. I'm a costume design.
Speaker 1:Yeah, please subscribe to the Patreon. Like the cuts of Stephanie's glee, faces are going to be just perfect. Let's go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, you go.
Speaker 1:So I'm about to go to the International Miss Leather Boot Black Conference and I and since the leather community and the latex community do similar things I've always been curious if there's like turf wars around it, or how they interact with each other, or what they think about each other or things like that.
Speaker 4:Not, to my knowledge, has there been turf wars. We usually play pretty well together and there's a fair amount of overlap in the Venn diagram. You do want to keep your leather separate from your latex because of that oil situation. You can wear them together, but I wouldn't recommend storing them on top of each other and near each other. But no, but I've had people be into both and we play pretty well together.
Speaker 1:I love kinky people. They're just. They're just nice to each other.
Speaker 4:There was one gentleman that I knew who was an older guy and he was a biker and he would actually wear multiple layers of latex cat suits on his motorcycle when he went for runs. That sounds warm.
Speaker 2:That's so much stuff.
Speaker 4:Well, now that you say warm, that's another myth that I want to address, because people always say to me, oh, it must be so hot, and I always tell them it really depends on the garment and the room temperature, because I frequently find that I am fucking freezing in my latex.
Speaker 5:Oh, don't ruin it for me.
Speaker 4:Well, again, it depends on the garment and the room temperature. So it's non porous. So any moisture that your body naturally produces is going to stay between you and the latex. It doesn't get a chance to evaporate. So you have a very thin layer of liquid there, that's always there and it will dribble out of the ends of your garment.
Speaker 4:So if you're wearing a skirt, you can feel it dribble down your thighs. Or if you're wearing a cat suit, it will come out of your ankles or your wrists and I'm usually really cold because I'm places that are air conditioned and again, it depends on the garment. So if you have more skin showing you notice this less, but if you're in a full cat suit sleeves, leggings you notice it more and I'm always usually really cold. So I have a sweater or something on top of my latex when I'm vending at a convention or something like that. And for a while we used to go to Macy's, to go to Santa Land, to get our picture taken with Santa, and we would wear latex. And it's New York City and it's very cold.
Speaker 4:So we were very, very cold in our red and green latex going to visit Santa. So it's not always hot but you will always sweat while you're wearing it. Is it underwear under latex? And no, no, that is personal preference. Some people like to wear latex with their underwear, some people don't. You are going to see panty lines and you're going to see underwires. So if you do want to wear underwear and you don't want that to be seen, the best thing is to do is like a seamless thong or one of those seamless bras that you can get and that'll minimize that.
Speaker 4:I don't wear anything underneath it, but I'm also very modestly busted, so I don't need to wear a bra. A lot of people who have more do like to have the support underneath their latex and it's I think it's perfectly fine to you know, have your, have your seams showing. Some people like to wear pantyhose underneath the latex and if you do that, you don't have to lube up your legs, you can just slide it on, but you will see the center, back and front seams of the pantyhose underneath. There are certain things I've worn where I wore pantyhose underneath it, like that one legged pant that I wore for the 1920s party. I had on those, those fishnet skin colored tights that everyone's obsessed with now, like Beyonce always wears them performant, I had those on underneath those pants. But yeah, it's up to you whether you want to wear underwear or not. There's no right or wrong. Okay, good to know.
Speaker 4:I wasn't sure if I did it wrong or not. May.
Speaker 2:I ask what? What? I wore a thong and it worked out well for me. I couldn't imagine being underwearless because I was just like what if it gets so hot and sweaty down there that I don't know. It just seemed like the potential for soupiness coming out the bottom of my skirt was great. So I was like you know what? Thong, thong. Too much newness all at once. So we're going to wear some underwear. Yeah, fair, that's fair.
Speaker 5:Bottle it up and sell it. Somebody would be wanting this, yeah.
Speaker 1:You said, you said superness, and 20 people just started taking out their credit cards.
Speaker 2:All right, I will bottle my latex sweat in the future and sell it If you're interested. I am goddess hecate on fat life. Get that bag, Get that bag.
Speaker 4:That's. Another thing I wanted to talk about is the fact that you do sweat when you're wearing latex, and one of the things that people may like is how it feels when you take it off at the end of the night. So a lot of people really love that moment when you're released. That's right. Yeah, a lot of people like to do it in the shower, like they'll just get into the shower in their latex and then get it off in the shower. But yeah, there is a very unique aroma associated with your body once you've worn your latex for a while and you take it off at the end of the night because your juices have been on you there the whole time. So it's a special kind of smell that I only smell that way when I take my latex off. That's the only conditions under which I smell like that. It's kind of baked onto the skin and it is a really great feeling when you pull it off. Sometimes it's almost like taking off a bandaid, because it really sucks onto you.
Speaker 1:Trying to smell what your days like so cool. And I have one more question left and I'll put on my Neil deGrasse Tyson for this. Let's go back, let's travel through space and time. We're going to sit down next to Persephone right after they finish watching that first HBO Real Six episode. And that inspiration is there and you now can say anything to that Persephone. What would you say?
Speaker 4:Oh gosh, you have no idea what you are in store for. At a point, some years from now, your life will radically change direction and you will see and do things that you never imagined. Beautiful.
Speaker 2:That is beautiful.
Speaker 5:Do you still have an affinity for film Like I know, you went to college for film. Do you still, or do you have getting pieces of film, or have you done that or?
Speaker 4:I do still love film. I do think of myself as, I guess, like a closet, inspiring filmmaker, and I still have an eye for that composition and lighting photography. I would love to go back to doing film at some point. I have, here and there, done a little bit of filming things for fetish stuff and that sort of thing, but I've never really gone back to it. So definitely, yes, I would love to do that Amazing.
Speaker 1:Pause real quick. Can both Casey and Stephanie eat your mic, and then Stephanie? Could you repeat that question one more time?
Speaker 5:How did I ask it? Do you still have an affinity for film and or do you, like, aspire to have latex pieces of yours on film? Maybe that's already happened, I just didn't know if you. I know you went to college for film and I didn't know if that was still there.
Speaker 1:Perfect, love it, I mean, so I can find that it will remind me to go redo it.
Speaker 2:I have to know about the AVN Awards and the Met Gala.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, what did you dress?
Speaker 2:What did you dress them in?
Speaker 4:Okay, so the AVN Awards, we dressed for the red carpet several different porn stars Gosh, I'm not going to remember their names now, that's okay, you can just tell us what they wore.
Speaker 4:One of them was a floor-length gown that was backless and it laced up the back. This was crazy because she was on crutches at the time, so she wore the dress with crutches on the red carpet Amazing. And then I think that year she may have won something about best anal performance or best newcomer, something like that. Yeah, she did. That was really cool. There was another one that we did.
Speaker 4:That was a Barbie doll look for the AVN Awards, and this blew my mind because it literally was the outfit that I remember having on a Barbie doll when I was a kid, and it was the same exact one. It was purple with a hot pink center panel in the front and then a knee-length skirt with a kick-plate pink flounce in the back. I had that exact outfit on my Barbie. It was amazing. Most recently, we did an outfit for it's going to come to me Lauren Phillips. She didn't get to wear it this year because she was not feeling well, so she didn't make it to the awards. She's going to wear it next year, but it is inspired by Jessica Rabbit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so really looking forward to that For the Met Gala.
Speaker 4:this was the year that they did. The theme was punk chaos to couture and Linda Fargo, who is the arbiter of style for Bergdorf Goodman she's the senior vice president of the fashion office at Bergdorf Goodman she came to get a latex-inspired garment to wear to the Met Gala and we ended up making for her a heavy rubber gown sidebar. Latex comes in different thicknesses, so the thinner it is, the more it's like a balloon, the more it feels like you're not wearing anything at all. The thicker it is, the more it contours you and gives you sensory deprivation. So Linda wanted a thicker suit that was made to look like a straight jacket. So it has a high collar, mock turtleneck, no sleeves, ankle length. It had a metal zipper up the back and then locking straight jacket buckles that were placed every five inches up the back of the dress. And then she wore those amazing Louboutins that are covered in spikes with the red sole.
Speaker 5:I'm looking at it right now. It's so good. Oh my gosh, send me the link.
Speaker 1:I am dead, I am deceased. This is incredible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was a really fun look, and those are lockable. What do you call this? Lockable buckles on there so it has a little loop on it and you can actually stick a little lock on it and each one you can actually lock closed if you want. Wow, that was a really fun one and it was super cool to make it for Linda Fargo and she was such a sweetheart. She sent a bouquet of flowers afterwards to thank us for working with her. She was really great.
Speaker 4:The other story that I have is it's a little bit of a secret, but I'll tell you guys, when Beyoncé went to the Met Gala when it was, what was the theme? It was called Monus versus Makina the fashion in the age of technology, and everybody knows Beyoncé in the condom dress. That's all anyone talked about. So it is a transparent latex gown that's sort of flesh toned, and it was designed by Givenchy. Am I pronouncing that right? I never know how to pronounce Okay, givenchy designed it and when it arrived in New York it didn't fit her, so they needed someone to do alterations.
Speaker 4:So we had to take the sleeves off and make them tighter at the wrist and blousey at the shoulder because they were loose. So we did that. It also needed to be taken in a bit, I think, at the waist, so it had these hand-painted flowers on it and they hand painted them on the inside of the dress, which was not a great idea, but I guess they wanted the look of it sort of being on the inside and coming through the outside of the latex.
Speaker 4:The problem with that was that they sweated off. Oops, yeah, they weren't using the type of paint that actually stained the latex, so they just sweated off while she was wearing it. And then it has pearls that are glued onto the outside and they wanted more coverage because some parts of it were sweating off and whatever. So I had to glue more of the pearls on to sort of obscure certain areas of the body with pearls.
Speaker 5:So that was one of the things that just makes me want to tell Givenchy, like, stay in your lane, you know. Like leave the latex up to the professionals, don't you dare? How dare you? I'm pointing to here. I mean, it's so rad you got to like sit and give it all its glory, because it is an insanely beautiful dress.
Speaker 4:It was really cool too, because I had the dress on the cutting table and I held my hand up to it and the span of the waist was my hand span Very tight.
Speaker 5:Wait, so is that her waist, or would it then stretch to her body?
Speaker 4:I mean the latex stretches, but that is. I mean, that's the dress. That's the dress on the half at least.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that's insane.
Speaker 4:And then that's really good.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at it on the internet right now, yeah it's stunning.
Speaker 4:That same year her sister Salage wore yellow latex stirrup stockings that we made for her.
Speaker 2:So they went back to your company once you fixed the dress for their next latex order.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah. So at the time I was working for the Baroness so, and we made a that was the year that she did the lemonade tour. So they came to us to make 20 matching outfits for her backup dancers out of all yellow latex. So this was 20 bras and, you know, booty shorts for all for backup dancers. Amazing.
Speaker 5:I can't either.
Speaker 2:Fantastic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm looking at my notes here to see, like other things that I wanted to mention, a couple of unique things that Renee does. The one thing that's really cool is she makes latex lace and I think that she actually pioneered that technique and she makes it with liquid latex and molds. Whoa, I was going to guess laser cut. No, it's molded, and then you, you peel it out and you hand-applicate it with glue, so it's, it's literally latex lace.
Speaker 3:It's on my wish list that I have started since the beginning of the taping of this podcast, because your wish list contain every item on the website. No, just the modest frilly things Like the lace. There are these lace like arm cuffs that come in a pair, and then there's this like cage neck piece and yeah, the cage pieces are hand-poured latex.
Speaker 4:So again, you have liquid latex and you have it in like a ketchup bottle and you can you know squeeze it out and make netting with it. We've also done spider web shapes, like you can make any design you want. You just have to be crafty. But yeah, that's all hand-poured netting and yeah, we make the neck pieces out of that. We have stockings, all kinds of stuff that we can make out of the hand hand-poured netting.
Speaker 3:That's so cool. Yeah, I'm a modest girl right Like I like a full coverage look, but I think I might get into latex and just be like Naked Time latex all the time now, because Perseponny has convinced me I love. Yeah, so happy Stephanie's like yay, I do.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you some personal questions that you're free to not answer? Yeah, sure, so. Do you have any aside from? Would you consider latex to be one of your kinks? I think so, yes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you love wearing it. I also love how it looks.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like I love how I look when I'm in it. Once I'm in it, I don't want to take it off, because I like how I look in it and I also do. I do feel it a lot while I'm wearing it, like I don't know if people notice, but I am frequently like touching the outside of my thigh or I do have a lot of those matching fingerless gloves that complete all of your outfits and I will frequently be touching, like the palms of my hands while I'm wearing it, because I just like to feel the tactile experience of the latex. And it is, as you mentioned earlier, really fun to be shined when you're wearing it. That is its own thing in itself. It's like a sensual body massage to be shined or to shine someone else. Yeah, do you have any other kinks, do I?
Speaker 4:have other kinks I do. I mentioned before that I am really into dressing men as women, so I love a man in a dress or a skirt. Actually, my kink is particular garments, which makes sense. So I have a fetish for corsets, garter belts so thigh, high stockings, and it doesn't matter who's in them, put them on anybody. That's what I want to see on a body Amazing. So I love that, and I do rope things as well.
Speaker 1:Rope is fun, so I was going to ask about that because some of the stuff we were talking about with like the skill gap, where it's like it sounds very similar to rope, because it's pretty much I can grab somebody off the street and teach them how to do a single column tie, but to get to the point where you're able to like lay it pretty with good tension and like make it look like that it becomes very, very, very, very skilled to get it good every time on anybody. I was like you probably do some rope stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and you're right. It speaks to a kind of nerdiness about technicality, like you have to do your research and know what you're doing and practice in order to do it, and there's definitely overlap with that. Some of my favorite rope people. If you want some research material, I love two naughty boys.
Speaker 1:Love it, love them.
Speaker 4:They have great stuff and it's really pretty stuff. They have a lot of things that are visually entertaining to look at and there's rope corsets or gauntlets for your arms that are really nice. And I also love Midori. She's one of my favorite rope people and Twisted Monk.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, I've bought. I have a rope hangs from Twisted. Monk Midori is how I learned how to do most of the hip harnesses. I know, yeah, oh, there's stuff too. Instagram has a. There's an Instagram person called Voodoo Ropes that I think you would like a lot too. They do a lot of like artistic rope looking things. I actually just did a rope dress at Shrine.
Speaker 4:Oh, did you really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's not like a it wasn't that much of a dress, but it was like a pretty pretty. It was a pretty involved tie and it killed, like the person I went with like took it, did it make it and like went overcoat and like we couldn't get four feet without people being like let me look and so, which is great, I'm turning people into art and like it's, I love it.
Speaker 2:I was at Shrine. I didn't see you.
Speaker 1:Really, I didn't get there until like 11. I may have been gone man. I had a good night. It's my best shrine Easy, nice Noise.
Speaker 4:I'm going to wear a rope corset to a dance as a vice party and, yeah, a lot of people are just blown away by it and they'll be like, oh, I want one and it's like, well, it's not going to exist when I take it off at the end of the night. Did you tie it yourself? No, my partner tied it.
Speaker 2:Amazing, does anybody?
Speaker 4:have any other questions. Well, a couple of other things I wanted to address was one of the things that I think is interesting about the latex fetish is that it encompasses so many other fetishes. So you get puppies and ponies and sissy maids. You get people who are into rope and bondage, water sports, dollification, forced feminization, sploshing. Face sitting is great when you're wearing latex because it creates a protective barrier.
Speaker 5:What's sploshing?
Speaker 3:I don't want to know. Do I want to know? Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 4:It's when you create a great deal of mess by destroying food, so sitting on a cake, or like opening up a can of baked beans on you.
Speaker 4:And Margaret, yeah, yeah, yeah, messy food play, yeah, which is great to do in latex because it just washes right off. Also, looners I don't know if you guys have talked to any looners yet, but those are people who are into balloons, so obviously they are really also big into latex. So lunar parties and the looners are fun, because half of them really love to pop balloons and the other half hate popping. They just like to blow them up. Oh yeah, blowing them up is like a big part of it, the engorging of the balloon.
Speaker 4:I did not know this was a kink, yeah, and some people want to blow it up until it explodes in their face, like that's part of it.
Speaker 2:It's like some weird edging yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a whole CBT segment of ballooners too. That's real funny.
Speaker 4:Okay, I believe that.
Speaker 1:Let me not say funny, I'm amused by it. I'm assuming they're enjoying themselves in a not amusing fashion, but I think a lot of kink stuff is funny. It's goofy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think so too, yeah, and you should have a sense of humor about it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we're all weirdos. It's fine. I feel like mine's the nerdiest of kink and the one that's the most laughable, probably.
Speaker 3:Everybody thinks that about their kink though they're like oh, my kink's the silliest.
Speaker 5:Do you think that you're telling me it's silly? No, no.
Speaker 2:Damn it. I think it's fucking hilarious. Have you heard my stories?
Speaker 5:Oh you do think it's funny Did.
Speaker 2:It's funny now, and in the future it might be very serious.
Speaker 5:Well, I know it's not. I don't know they're not serious. I just mean, some make me laugh really hard, some make me uncomfortably laugh too.
Speaker 1:You got men prancing around in their underwear organizing your closet. That's hysterical.
Speaker 2:Fucking funny.
Speaker 5:Funny.
Speaker 2:No, that's amazing For Stephanie. Do you have any other hot tips for latex lovers?
Speaker 4:If you, really want your partner to wear latex because you're into it and they haven't done that yet, then you should not start with a cat suit or a hood. Definitely start with something small, like an undergarment or a skating skirt that is looser, or even latex gloves like latex fashion gloves, not the kind that you buy at the supermarket, the thin, nice, real latex gloves.
Speaker 4:And try to get something that they would like in normal clothing first and in the color that they like. If they hate fire engine red, don't buy them that in latex.
Speaker 3:But definitely start small. What's latex's relationship with cat hair? Just asking for a friend.
Speaker 4:Cat hair does stick to latex and it is a piece of irony that every latex studio that I have ever been in has cats in it. I don't know why that is, but everyone who I know who makes latex usually has a cat somewhere around, and some cats are more problematic than others. I have worked with cats who like to spread out all over the pattern as you're trying to trace it and cut it out with a razor. They also like to jump on the table and walk on your glued seams, so you get literary paw prints in your latex glue. The fur does stick to latex and there's just nothing to be done about it.
Speaker 3:Got a lint roll. You know, I've never tried that.
Speaker 4:actually it should work. It should work.
Speaker 5:For the listeners.
Speaker 3:I held my cat up to the camera. The fluffyest of all fluff.
Speaker 2:I think we've reached the end. Is this the end? Any other?
Speaker 4:tips. Yeah, is there anything, casey, that you wish someone had told you when you had that skirt that you haven't heard in this podcast?
Speaker 2:I wish and this could be your job, persephone I wish there was a whole series, informative series on latex, because I bought all the wrong things. I wondered if I was going to rip my seams apart because I didn't know how much it could stretch. Yeah, that's my question how much stretch can it take before you damage seams if it's just glued?
Speaker 4:It can take an astonishing amount of stretch. In fact you're more likely to tear it by pushing your fingernail through it while you're struggling to get into it than it is for the seams to burst.
Speaker 2:Okay, Because every time I put it on I'm like this is the end of this $250 skirt and I've only had it for five minutes because it's such like, so much pulling and nobody really talks about how durable it is.
Speaker 4:One of the most common things that happen in a latex cat suit is you get a blowout on your shoulder seam in the back of your armhole. That's because when you stretch your arms forward, you're adding about six inches of stretch to your shoulder blades. There A lot of people who make cat suits don't give you enough. Give across your shoulder measurement for you to do that and not blow out your armhole.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 4:One of the most common repairs I do is the back of an armhole. It usually is in a place where you are stretching a lot and you're putting a lot of repeated pressure on that one seam and then it'll tear along the edge of the seam because the weakest part is actually the part that runs next to the seam, because it's twice as strong where there are two layers of it stuck together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my gosh. We have covered everything I wish that I had known, including something I wish that I had known that I didn't know. I wish I had known was like what is a good starter garment? I'm probably going to go back and find a shorter skirt or a two-piece bikini style thing, because I could see how that would be much easier and way less work to be wearing around. Knowing what products to get is really important.
Speaker 3:I'm glad I know that now and I'm going to get my. I'm going to get the lace edged gloves. That's what I'm going to get first. I'm excited. What are you going to get first, tosen? What are you going to get first, stephanie?
Speaker 5:I haven't been able to look enough yet.
Speaker 3:It's good that you haven't, because I got lost.
Speaker 5:I know, trust me, I know I'll be busy all night, hey.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be wearing a custom made boxer briefs vest and latex tie with a fallen angel dragon ring armature on my left side only.
Speaker 2:Wow, for somebody who's never done latex before, that was detailed. Well, I mean, I put it together over the hour.
Speaker 3:Then I'm going to get the lace front ruffle jacket. Fine, that's what I'm getting.
Speaker 1:Good, we'll be Final Fantasy magnificence.
Speaker 3:Yes, I know I should start small. I'm going for the ruffle jacket because it's so cute.
Speaker 5:Well, we're any of the Catwoman suits in the movie. Where any of those latex do we know that history?
Speaker 4:We do know that, yes, they are latex. The famous Michelle Pfeiffer one is actually yeah, that is latex.
Speaker 5:The best. Show her stitching it in it. Can you stitch it?
Speaker 4:No, don't.
Speaker 5:It was not just something they figured. I wonder about that.
Speaker 4:Never, never, ever puncture your latex with a needle. Don't do that. The actual white parts on it are liquid latex that are just applied stitch by stitch topically on top to look like stitches Amazing.
Speaker 3:Super red For Stephanie. I don't think we're going to let you go. I think this podcast is going to be five more hours.
Speaker 2:This is fascinating and wonderful.
Speaker 4:One thing that I do want to point to. For people who are new to latex are afraid of it. Renee Masumian does make latex lined power mesh. There's a series of garments that we have that are stretchy power mesh and then there will be panels of latex on the outside. You only have the power mesh against your skin and then the outer layer is the latex one. It's a nice starter piece for people who are maybe intimidated by the latex to get your feet wet. It's a lot easier to wear. You just pull it on. You don't need to use lube or anything.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 5:I think that was the sweater.
Speaker 4:Yay, that was bra sizing. Bra sizing should be the same. I have to tell you that making a latex bra is an ongoing struggle that we have continued to try to fix. It's not easy making a latex bra that looks good and fits properly, but I'm hoping that it should be the same process as a regular bra. That's what I want.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm also really interested in by love bodysuits. Maybe a one piece bodysuit thing would be easier.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bodysuit is like a leotard.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bodysuits are great. I always recommend doing separates, especially because latex is a luxury item that has a particular cost. If you have separates, then you can mix and match and it looks like you have a bunch of different outfits. Yeah, I love that.
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Speaker 2:Persephone, this has been blocking fantastic. Thank you so much for wanting to be here. I cannot tell you how delighted I was. I contacted our mutual friend because I don't. I was thinking about people I wanted to guess one day and because I met you at a New Year's party once, many like a couple of years ago, and I can't remember how you came to mind, but I was like, oh, my.
Speaker 2:God, that's the one, and I'm so delighted that you responded and we're game to be here. It has been a really wonderful episode, so thank you so much. Anything that we can plug for you where, like where can people find you? Look at your stuff. Do you have social that you care to share? If the answer is nothing, that's fine, but I want to make sure that you you get it out there if you'd like it out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the main thing is going to renemusumioncom so that you can look at our wonderful products that we have for sale and our business Instagram and on Facebook and Twitter is at renemusumion. My personal Instagram is at Marquis de Boucherie and I am wearing my Rococo Benzware outfit with my wig in my profile picture, so I am unrecognizable in that, guys.
Speaker 2:We'll have this all linked in the show notes, everybody, so you can see that amazing outfit, can you? That's your Instagram. Can you actually spell that for me really quick?
Speaker 4:Yeah, sure, that's M-A-R-Q-U-I-S-D-E-B-A-U-C-H-E-R-Y. I'm glad I asked.
Speaker 2:Marquis de Boucherie, there you are. Oh yeah, you are unrecognizable. That is incredible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I even got period appropriate shoes from American Duchess. Do you guys know about them? No, what's. American.
Speaker 2:Duchess.
Speaker 4:They only do historical footwear.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I have a feeling you are a wealth of information that everybody on this podcast wants, and we don't even know what to ask for because we don't know what the possibilities are.
Speaker 4:You'll have to have me on again later, because I do have all kinds of crazy stories about things that I've made or done or seen adjacent to doing the latex. Yes, oh my God can we do that?
Speaker 2:I would love that Of course. Give me a couple weeks, I'll hit you up again. A few months. Yeah sure, that's gonna be fantastic. Yeah, that's gonna happen. You're amazing and wonderful. Thank you so much. I'll use sexybees out there. Thank you so much for tuning in to Talk Dirty to Me one more time. I hope until next time let's all get really luby and sexy in some latex, shall we?
Speaker 5:Yes, please. Thank you, Persephone, thank you Bye sexybees.
Speaker 2:You're welcome, bye, bye.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, like you, remember how you read your synopsis and you say oh, you want me to do it like that. Yes, Okay, great.
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