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What does the name Anna Nicole Smith mean to you? A Playboy Playmate, a reality TV star, a drug-addict, or an infamous gold-digger? Dive headfirst with us into the controversial and tragic life of Anna Nicole Smith, as we debunk the stereotypes and reveal the woman beneath the scandalous headlines. From her small-town beginnings to her meteoric rise to fame, we uncover the lesser-known aspects of her life, exposing the harsh realities of her addiction struggles and the exploitation she endured at the hands of the media.
If you’re interested in receiving bonus episodes, early release dates, an everything scary sticker and ‘thank you’ as well as a shout out on our regular feed! Please join at Patreon//everythingscarypod571
Welcome to Everything Scary. My name is Lynn and I'm here with my co-host local celebrity, sorry, sorry, international celebrity. Thank you, matt McClain.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Every Tuesday we release a new episode, mostly true crime, but we've also been known to cover a pandemic, a haunting, a super mad, super strong chimpanzee. We'll cover anything and everything scary. Please rate us five stars and join us on Instagram at Everything Scary Pod. Here we go.
Speaker 2:And we're back Hello. Hi Last time on Everything Scary.
Speaker 1:This is a brand new episode. That is correct, Okay. So how are things with you?
Speaker 2:Lovely, except for I almost died on the way here.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is your house. They got perfectly clear. You had to go nowhere.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, on the drive home there was a car that was going the wrong way and I was in a two-lane road going north, yeah, guy, going south, split us.
Speaker 1:Did he drift into your lane because of the snow? It looked like he was pretty comfortable Like he spun out, and then he was gunning it oh yeah, he was on the wrong side, you were on the wrong side.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, I'm like listen here, you redhead, you hate the intention. I thought it was Harry and my mind it was Harry.
Speaker 1:So today we're going to be covering a story that was suggested by you.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, a tragic tale.
Speaker 1:What made you want to hear this story? Did you watch the Netflix documentary?
Speaker 2:No, I can't remember what drew me to it. You know I have been going through like old Howard Stern episodes on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was a piece of shit.
Speaker 2:With just courage.
Speaker 1:He's actually the worst Howard Stern in this story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shit. So I guess spoiler alert.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're doing it in an Apple Smith.
Speaker 2:And there's two. Howard Sterns, there's two.
Speaker 1:Howard Sterns what are the chances? Cray Cray, total cray, yeah no, I was always led to believe that this Howard Cay Stern, her lawyer, and I guess, if anybody knows anything like I, always thought he was like kind of the mastermind that was behind her demise really.
Speaker 2:Saying like giving her drugs and using her to make money.
Speaker 1:We're going to get into it. So I did watch the Netflix documentary. I always kind of take them with a grain of salt, you know, because they usually tend to like lean in one direction.
Speaker 2:Not me. I'm like it's all true, I knew it this whole time. Netflix, you nailed it again. Yeah, I'm so colorful, oh God. Okay. So you're like I like to be objective. I'm like, not me.
Speaker 1:They, just they will give you the most salacious version of the story, right, so I'm going to be using some of that. But also, I watched a billion interviews. I never thought I would. This is actually a really long case too. Like I didn't know I could put this much energy into Ann and Nicole Smith, but here we are All right. So if you don't know the documentary that we're talking about, it's called Ann and Nicole Smith. You Don't Know Me and we didn't guys.
Speaker 2:Wow, it's the spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Did not know her.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, sharon.
Speaker 2:Love it, lois and Bram, not on Patreon just yet.
Speaker 1:Not yet, but I don't think. Lois is going to be writing us.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, lois asked.
Speaker 1:And Karen U Karen.
Speaker 2:Us? I don't know that.
Speaker 1:Care and.
Speaker 2:Us. That sounds like a nice little institute. It's the Care and you Institute, or a Care and University.
Speaker 1:Well, TM, we're not just giving away ideas on this. Oh yeah, that's right, this is where we come here and make money off of us. So if you're not on our Patreon and you are interested in hearing more of this great stuff, Hilarious banter and murder in mayhem.
Speaker 2:It's a lovely mix.
Speaker 1:And there's also a lot of extra perks I just wanted to make mention to anybody who's been waiting abnormal amount of time for a thank you letter. I just picked up a ton and I will be mailing them out in the next day or two. Matt has finally met his contractual obligations.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say exceeded Well you did Ten were requested how many were delivered 11. That's right. Yeah, that's 10% increase.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, like I said, clearly, we're doing Ann and Nicole Smith and we are going to start off in a small town in Texas called Mejia Mejia. Yes, it's spelled Mexia, but I watched Ann and Nicole herself say it, and if she said Mejia, I'm going to say Mejia.
Speaker 2:They do the same for Mexico. There's a big X in Mexico, right, and it's very close to Texas. I'm the king of the hill, peggy Hill, he says Mexico, she's a substitute teacher. So that's how you do it. Very smart, yep.
Speaker 1:So the population as of 2021 was still under 7,000. Oh, wow, so not very big. Ann and Nicole was born on November 28th of 1967. So as of now, she would have been 56 years old.
Speaker 2:That's so young, right.
Speaker 1:She was born Vicki Lynn Hogan to 20 year old Donald Eugene Hogan and 16 year old Vergy May Hogan.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's all really All right.
Speaker 1:That's called baby, having a baby. That's a thought, then, and this is where we're already going to have mixed stories. Anna's story has always been I don't know if you've probably heard this, but she's always said that she was horribly abused as a child to physically and sexually. Her parents did split up when she was under two and her dad took off. He will, unfortunately, come back into. What did you make that face for?
Speaker 2:I just I hit my microphone with my hand.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought you almost fell off your chair.
Speaker 2:No, I was, unfortunately. I was trying to drink water.
Speaker 1:Did you go to school for that?
Speaker 2:I tried for two years.
Speaker 1:In. Where was it North?
Speaker 2:Bay, north Bay.
Speaker 1:They say the best, the best in the Bay. So, like I said, her parents would split when she was under two because, unfortunately, 16 year old shouldn't marry people.
Speaker 2:They don't have it together.
Speaker 1:It's weird. It is weird, but you know what? We're probably going to get a DM about people saying I was married when I was 14 and everything's fine, good for you.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:So her dad's going to come back up in this story, which is very unfortunate because he is a garbage person, okay, and not a city worker.
Speaker 2:Okay, a person that's made of garbage One of my dream jobs.
Speaker 1:Yes, uh, so she said that her mom, who was actually a deputy sheriff.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's kind of cool yeah.
Speaker 1:Um would sometimes hand cover to the bed and would beat her.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's awful.
Speaker 1:Yes, and she said that she had to live most of her young life with her aunt. But in the Netflix documentary this was highly disputed by everyone that knew her essentially.
Speaker 2:Oh, that said that that's never happened.
Speaker 1:Not the abuses anyways, right Um, her half brother on her mom's side. His name was Donald Hart, and he said that their mother was never abusive and that she was really supportive and sweet. I'll go into this a bit further, though, but Ann and Nicole would, unfortunately, drop out of high school. When she was only 15 years old, she said that she got into a fist fight with a girl and that's when she decided that she didn't want to go back anymore. She would drop out and start making her own money. So she did just that. She got herself a job at Jim's crispy fried chicken.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, love it. Love it so much, say no more, I'm there, ann and Nicole Smith, at a fried chicken place. My God, you better walk it in there, you just see it?
Speaker 1:No, but you know what she had Thighs.
Speaker 2:At this age.
Speaker 1:Okay, she didn't have breasts.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Did not have breasts. I'm thinking like we're talking 15 years old.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm thinking like in the 80s.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, she was born in 1967. So I'm going to take us to, I guess, 1972.
Speaker 2:Oh, not even close. Yeah, already then.
Speaker 1:No boobies on her. Her uncle would say that she was a very difficult teenager and she was boy crazy and he once had to nail her window shut to prevent her from sneaking out with a 29 year old man. Oh come on.
Speaker 2:That's real, do you think?
Speaker 1:You know, you know, you know, I was with a 29 year old man when she was 15.
Speaker 2:I mean, I meant the window. I think she liked older dudes.
Speaker 1:She likes older guys, likes older guys.
Speaker 2:Were you ever described as boy crazy in high school?
Speaker 1:Um.
Speaker 2:She was crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, minus the boy yeah, just a little like.
Speaker 2:Just straight up, old fashioned run in the mill. Just fucking crazy, just fucking nutty.
Speaker 1:So she'd become infatuated with this grownup when she was a child and, luckily, as things would go, she forgot about the 29 year old weirdo who was trying to date a kid because she began to have a thing for a cook at the restaurant that she worked at. He was actually a year younger, so like age is just a number to Anna, and the reason she fell for him was because teenage girls are toxic, and she asked him for a ride home one day and he said no, and that was when she was like well, I'm going to make this happen.
Speaker 2:Then because you rejected me. Oh nice, Is that what happens with teenage girls?
Speaker 1:Well, you don't. You don't deal with rejection, super, super good right so especially considering the world revolves around you.
Speaker 2:Oh, so it's like okay, you don't want me, I must have you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I must have you and I'm not. I don't know how to phrase this, but he was not up to her. Should have been standards, and that's a very nice way of saying yucky.
Speaker 2:So rejection can lead to attraction. I guess, so Vicki Lynn are the worst piece of crap. I have ever laid my eyes upon. He's a dickhole too, okay.
Speaker 1:So, like spoiler alert, I don't care. So her mom seemed really proud to be able to say that, as a child in a shopping mall, in a Nicole who was still Vicki Lynn at this time would be followed around by grown men because they found her attractive.
Speaker 2:That's a lovely point of pride from a super creepy mom.
Speaker 1:I think I would start carrying around a mini bat.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was thinking mace, but of course you could hit them right in the wieners.
Speaker 1:Mini bat right to the kneecap.
Speaker 2:I think Okay, no, I'm going wiener yeah.
Speaker 1:So in fact she decided that she was going to chase this young boy. Thank God for the string of old men behind her that she just kind of left in the dust. And on April 4th of 1985, when Anna was 17 and Billy was 16, the two wed Wow. So she got the Smith's name from Billy Smith.
Speaker 2:All right, yes, wetted 16?. Yeah, okay, cool, yep, her mom's. Like you know, that's super young.
Speaker 1:She's like I already had a baby by that age. What are you doing, you old finster?
Speaker 2:Shut up mom, aren't you retired?
Speaker 1:So sadly, the married life was not all it was cracked up to be. You know you're shitting me. Here's the thing the chef at Jim's crispy fried chicken who rejected giving a young girl a ride home, I don't know, he just probably doesn't make the best husband. I don't think he's ready. I'm not saying the potential's not there, I don't think he's ready, maybe in another time. Yeah, I got you. I think once Billy drops the E and just becomes Belle, maybe then we start looking into the images.
Speaker 2:Nobody wants to date a Billy.
Speaker 1:No, like, let's be honest, I'm not running out to meet an Andy, the machoist Billy in the world was the kid.
Speaker 2:He still has a pocket protector.
Speaker 1:There's no Billy man. He has a pocket protector. Yeah, that's right, which is not always a bad idea.
Speaker 2:Shout out to my older brother Bill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who dropped the E when he got?
Speaker 2:married, not a Billy. That's right.
Speaker 1:So you know as it would happen. Billy was very jealous and he did not want Anna to hang out with anyone or have anyone over, and when he would leave to go to work she would be all alone and she hated it. So a theme that we're going to see with Anna Nicole's life is that she just wanted somebody to love. She just wanted to not be lonely.
Speaker 2:I definitely saw that in a really sad display during her reality show.
Speaker 1:Her reality show should have been banned and we should have she yes. I love Britney Spears so much Britney Spears could have canceled Anna Nicole Smith Like the night thing that the dance. That is the most sane thing I saw. Yeah, compared to what I was watching with Anna Nicole Smith. She could not keep her eyes open.
Speaker 2:No, she was like just drugged and you know it's weird, you know, and it's such a weird thing and I always kind of cringe when I hear people say it, when I say it myself it was a different time but like I remember like looking forward to that show and laughing my ass off and now that is.
Speaker 1:So the thought of that is so cringy to me and I do have a bit of a you know monologue about it in here a little bit later on. But you're 100% right, because back then I would have watched it too. I didn't, but not because I was morally advanced. Yeah, it's just, I was watching Conan O'Brien make fun of her Like, but yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:Now I don't know if it's it's got to be the time, like I don't know it's got to do with age too, I'm sure, like we've gotten older and can see how damaging it can be to other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they think that you just think you know there's more, I think, respect around mental health.
Speaker 1:I just don't understand how it wasn't. It wasn't even like a documentary, it was like a cartoon, beginning with like a jazzy little jingle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we were supposed to find it funny yeah.
Speaker 2:And a lot of people did, and she's like pumpkin. Where's my pumpkin? Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Where's my pumpkin, do you remember? And Conan used to do that little thing where he would like run around the stage and like I don't remember if I and like he would run out of screen and then like, run back and like and I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so weird yeah.
Speaker 1:Hannah decided that she was going to get pregnant and have a baby, because that way she would never be alone. And so with that she flushed her birth control pills down the toilet, and with that, on January 22nd of 1986, daniel Wayne Smith was born.
Speaker 2:Birth control- pills expensive, like the little dials, like you know, the little flip.
Speaker 1:Matt, do you know how many kids I have?
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, like huh what.
Speaker 1:So what now in the media?
Speaker 2:So, like hey Matt, how much is a church cost? While we're on the subject of asking people things that they don't fucking nothing about, oh God, Okay.
Speaker 1:So with her son she was less lonely.
Speaker 2:Guess, I'll never know.
Speaker 1:Call somebody doesn't have any kids. Yeah, true, true. I'm sure there's been inflation since the last time I don't know. It's been like 40 years that I've had these kids.
Speaker 1:So with her son she was less lonely but, her marriage was not getting any better and when Daniel was six months she took him and moved to Houston. Now, one thing that I did find that I found a little bit puzzling was like she always made it seem like she was from this really small town, but her high school records show that she was transferred in from a school in Houston before she moved to Mejia. So she did live in the big city before she, like she, wasn't always a small town bumpkin.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So one thing that everyone who knew Anna could agree on was that she was a hard worker. She hustled to get where she wanted to go, and when she was in Houston she decided that she would work all the shifts that she could so that Daniel's life would be better than the one that she had stated she had. So she would work at Red Lobster in Walmart, and one day she was driving and she saw a billboard for a gentleman's club called GGs. What was the gentleman's club? Stop it. What's?
Speaker 2:fallatio Like a golf, an Italian dessert. You're married.
Speaker 1:You have no idea Fallatio you had me going for a few minutes, doesn't he know? I'm going to start using the layman's term, cause that's like I don't get it Ew. You've been a lot with it. So she thought to herself, what the hell? And she decided to go in and apply to be a waitress. But Anna Nicole, like I said, she had no boobs right out of the gate and she was like five foot 11 and they described her as not graceful at all.
Speaker 2:Right, like a baby deer.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Unfortunately, when she went into apply they had no waitressing positions available, but they didn't say that she could dance there during the day shift. Oh, what a lovely thing for the manager to say Can I dance while you guys serve mashed?
Speaker 2:potatoes.
Speaker 1:Yes, so she started on the day shift, and now Anna, who's absolutely gorgeous. Did you see pictures of Rosie, young Girl, too?
Speaker 2:I've seen. Oh, you know what I think the youngest I've seen her in is the guest jeans.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow. Yeah, like pre was she in Playboy? I think she was. Yeah, she was in Playboy a year twice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was in the pre pre. All of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the guest jeans were just absolutely stunning. Yeah, it's like wowzers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember downloading that on a dial up and printing it overnight and just being like all right, this will be cool.
Speaker 1:Your parents are like he hasn't eaten in a week. It's just down there staring at that printed off piece of paper. It took like four hours to print and it was already in black and white, but it just came out even more. I'm like, oh man 12 minutes.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get a nap. Oh, this is going to be great. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:That's your parents $40 for more, oh God. So, like I said, she was a stunner, but she was not graceful and she couldn't dance to save her life and, even worse, your worst nightmare. Like I said, she barely had any boobs at all.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, her head is my worst nightmare. Forget it. What did you just talk to them? See how their day was?
Speaker 1:Ugh Gross. So in a couple of weeks, though, she still had men drooling all over her.
Speaker 2:Was it? You always say you can't mode a voter personality? I love you. That is one of my favorite things that you say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's on my family coat of arms. Actually. It's really, it's crazy. I don't know why we have it so weird. I don't know. I'm like dad, he's like a spin around, so what do they?
Speaker 2:say You're from your pappy, you're from your pappy.
Speaker 1:That's all I remember my grandfather saying all the time. It was crazy. So anyways, she started finding her footing.
Speaker 1:You know, like her, her niche her way to talk to these fellas, and that's when she came up with this baby voice that she always did. And one of her fellow dancers, who would later turn into one of her most meaningful relationships, was a girl named Missy, and she would say that when Anna started here she would tell the girls like I always hated my name, I hate the name Vicki. She actually said that she would prefer to be called Nikki. So the girls were like yeah, do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nobody cares about Vicki. No, we do this shit Sticky.
Speaker 1:You want to go by sticky in a strip? I don't. Ugh, I would think that one, however. Yes. So Anna had a goal body in mind, like getting line same. But you know, that body would be the one that we have known her to become, anna Colesmith the big blonde hair, the humongous boobs. So she would hustle and she would save all of her earnings and she would receive multiple surgeries to acquire the boob.
Speaker 2:Look that she was going for.
Speaker 1:And I'm only mentioning this because it will come into play a little bit later on when we touch on some of her health issues but each one of her breasts were too large implants like, stacked Like four in total Four in total yes. So yes, she had four implants to make up her chest.
Speaker 2:What the Like. Is that a common thing?
Speaker 1:I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I would imagine it doubles your risks of something rupturing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like doctors, there's probably a reason that's maybe a size that isn't made that thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think it's a great idea. I don't know why. I know, as I'm sure you can imagine, if the guys in the club liked her with nothing at all on her chest. This was.
Speaker 2:Wait till they get a load of four boobs Smith.
Speaker 1:That's actually what she went by Sticky four boobs so, and one fateful day in 1991, anna, who was going by, nikki, who was really named Vicky, okay.
Speaker 2:Was dancing, I got sticky. One thing, I want to do another. You're in the problem. You're in the problem.
Speaker 1:So she was dancing in a red dress when Jay Howard Marshall, the second, rolled into the club Literally. Yes, nice, james Howard Marshall. The second was a very rich man, as I'm sure anyone who's ever heard of Anna Nicole knows, but he just had a pretty rough year.
Speaker 1:It was no secret that Howard had a mistress. His wife was very sick with dementia and Howard was lonely, so he still took care of his wife, but he wanted to hang out and have some fun. And that someone was also a dancer. She was 52 years old, he had met her in 1982 and he loved to spend money on her. Sadly she would pass away during a facelift procedure in 1991. And later that year his wife would pass too.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, mr Sandwife, mr Sandwife.
Speaker 1:Boy In one year. So he was depressed and he was drinking entirely too much and when he wasn't drinking he was sleeping. So, you know, his driver said one day, let's go into GGs and you can see the pretty ladies.
Speaker 2:Hey, let's let's tear you up. Winston Marshall Thurgo. What's his name? Howard J Harding himself.
Speaker 1:But you can only imagine his driver. Right Like his driver said God, I got to drive this old guy around. I wonder if I can talk him into going to the streets. I bet I can talk him into going to the strip club. He's drunk all the time. I'll just say let's go to strip.
Speaker 2:Drivers for it. Hello, hey Wayne, what's up? You guys are the strip club. Fine, I get this old fuck. Actually, you know what Hang on one second.
Speaker 1:Let me just drive up here, you're our. So you know, they went in and he took one look at Vicky Nicky and a sticky and he was instantly taken. No doubts, this is of course. I'm instantly taken with her.
Speaker 2:Like this is fine. When I watched those guests almost like shoots.
Speaker 1:I was like meow. So he had arranged for her to come to his hotel room and the pair spent the entire afternoon eating room service and telling each other about their lives. I don't know what you're laughing at. Somebody was like do you want to eat room service and talk about yourself and be like? That sounds like fucking what did you do today?
Speaker 2:I merged eight oil companies into one super oil conglomerate. What about you? I made two more fried chickens yesterday than I did today, and I served it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sure she had a lot going on. Yes, she's a. She's working at Walmart, true, crazy shit there happened on time in the states. Yes, there's got to be something to have great to talk about. See what.
Speaker 2:Thurgood, you got to see what these people were wearing in Walmart. Some people could be there pajamas it's the craziest thing.
Speaker 1:You know, I I didn't want to mention because certainly from my point of view, when this was all happening, I did see her as a gold digger 100%.
Speaker 1:Who's taking advantage of this feeble old guy and this is. It's really not the case. I mean like he was physically frail but he wasn't an idiot. He was still working when this all transpired and he was trying to get Anne and Nicole to marry him from the day that he met her and she said no. She said she wanted to make a name for herself before, really because she didn't want to be seen as that person.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. Like you look back like in my mind she was trying to trap him and get him and lock it in.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you can trap that guy of that age. Yeah, she's like I'm pregnant. He's like I haven't been able to get it up in 35 years. That is not my child. So, like I said, she didn't want people to think she was a gold digger, but that's like that's like the fine print, like nobody ever sees that part, like that's not salacious enough for us to care about. Yeah, so his network at the time that he met Anne and Nicole was about $500 million. That's it. Well, by the time he passed, I think it was 12 billion. Ok.
Speaker 2:Well boy, what an earner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, he had a OK, so he made his money from oil. But he also had a 14.6 percent stock in Coke. Interest rates, interest.
Speaker 2:Oh man cocaine is popular too, so he must have.
Speaker 1:I was like I started reading up on the Koch brothers and Koch interest theory and stuff and I was like, ok, they did. They did stuff with petroleum, that's. I don't. I'm not smart enough to understand all of the stuff that they did.
Speaker 2:I'm like like awesome guys. I know that they don't know that, but I did. I know for sure. I heard that they used to use cocaine and Coke.
Speaker 1:It's not Coca Cola, it's oil.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:K O C H.
Speaker 2:Koch, it's Coke, it's not the Koch brothers?
Speaker 1:No, it's the Koch brothers.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know a thing. I'm like what the fuck? I'm like oil and Coca Cola and then I'm like, yeah, yeah, in my mind I'm like, yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, you just, you just were like that's fine.
Speaker 2:Is there cocaine in the oil?
Speaker 1:There might be. Well let's start making it, let's wake you up. Ok, so you know before you ask, because I know you're going to as far as intimacy went.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, hand stuff mostly Well nipple stuff too. Oh, yeah, his or her.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes to both. Do you think he knew she had four boobs under there?
Speaker 1:I think he went out of suspicious Thurgood, you old dog. Why are you calling him Thurgood? What does it say? Jay Howard, what the hell is a Thurgood? Why would that be where you went?
Speaker 2:Thurgood. I'm thinking Thurgood Marshall. I don't know why. Who's Thurgood Marshall? I don't know idea. He works with Coca.
Speaker 1:Cola. So they were not intimate. Oh, this is a.
Speaker 2:OK, for the record, she's implying a whole hand going into a small opening. This, I believe, is what you're looking for. I felt like that would be too dirty.
Speaker 1:This is more like I could just be talking with my hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's essentially a fisting emoji and then you do the A-OK with the finger going to the whole punch. That's too much. That's too much.
Speaker 1:See, that really paints a visual.
Speaker 2:And do you know that this is ASL for SCX?
Speaker 1:Did you know that your parents are upstairs? What are you doing? Oh, that's right, have some goof, oh God.
Speaker 2:So anyways, they're going to start doing it while we're trying to work over there, thurgood, get off of her. We're trying to work.
Speaker 1:I just can't hear about fisting without feeling brand new oh what Stop it? You did this, so they were not. They were not, but she would rub upon him, and he called her nipples her rose buds.
Speaker 2:Oh, ok, that's not a rose bud, by the way, it's around the corner. Ok, ok, ok, ok.
Speaker 1:So there is a bit of information that has to live in your brain for the rest of her life.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm an oil tycoon.
Speaker 1:Let me see them there here, rose buds. In 1992, anna finally filed for divorce from Billy and that was finalized in 1993.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, they were married this whole time.
Speaker 1:I forgot about Billy. Yeah, you forget about people really quickly, how's this ear and rose buds.
Speaker 2:I was like what do they have? I forgot my name, I forgot your ear.
Speaker 1:Where's that printout? Yeah, it's still going. So also in 1992, she signed a contract with Guess by Marciano and just like that she was on Bellboards. Ever heard of them?
Speaker 2:in black and white.
Speaker 1:She looked absolutely stunning. She also officially started going by Anna Nicole Smith, so not legally.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:She just kind of said today I'm Anna Nicole. Smith, just call me Anna. So she would tell her friend Missy that she didn't care if Missy wanted to call her Nikki in private, but in public. Now she was Anna. Missy claims that for years she and Anna had a sexual relationship.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Anna was still with Jay Howard, but he did not mind her being with other people, just as long as she made herself available for what he called Bring those Rosebuds all back home. Yeah, I heard one call with them and she's like do you miss your Rosebuds?
Speaker 2:And he's like what.
Speaker 1:Do you miss your Rosebuds? And he's like I do, and she's like they miss you too.
Speaker 2:Get the fuck, you miss your Rosebuds. You miss your Rosebuds.
Speaker 1:What he's? Just flatulent on the call.
Speaker 2:You miss your Rosebuds, my nose what?
Speaker 1:No, your Rosebuds. Who knows the buds, so they're good, she had also a boyfriend the entire time. His name was Clay Spiers and he actually did the really sweet thing that boyfriends do sometimes and he sent her pictures to Playboy.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, like behind your back. No, no, no, okay. In front of her face, yeah, right in front of her face.
Speaker 1:Right in front of those Rosebuds. And of course they found her stunning because she was, yeah, and in March of 1992, she was dressed very classily on the cover of Playboy's debutante edition.
Speaker 2:They don't usually use a lot of fake boobies going on, especially like the four boob special, the double barrel boob.
Speaker 1:Well, we've all seen her boobs right Like they're not. They don't look like there's. There's no crease, there's no divider.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, it's not like a, like a gals forced on me.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, it's just a camel, though, so in May of 1993, she was named Playboy Playmate of the Year and she was gifted a champagne colored Jaguar. Oh, that's pretty sweet. That's actually how I got my Ford Escape. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:All right, what do I need for the SUV? You need one of these Rosebuds, or just what are we doing here? All right, get a good look. There you go.
Speaker 1:I imagine that gas would probably be free for her Jaguars. Well, with all the oil, tycoon, the Rosebud dealings, jay Howard. So unfortunately, we're going to get in some sad stuff here. This was not only a huge thing to happen to her, the only huge thing to happen to her this time around. Anna had always had big hopes of becoming a daddy's girl, which was hard because her father had left long ago.
Speaker 1:She never knew him. So around this time Anna had called a private investigator to try and trap down her father, and she was successful. They spoke over the phone and Anna learned that she had a half brother on her father's side whose name was Donnie. She arranged for Donnie and her father to come to California In their first meeting. Anna showed up to meet them at the airport in like a white stretch limo. She had like little pigtails in her hair, like big boobs, yeah, everywhere. And so she's just like her normal, like really vibrant bubbly self yeah.
Speaker 1:And she's so excited to meet them. And her father told her that there was not a single night that she had not been in his prayers when he went to sleep. So nice.
Speaker 2:Did he know that it was her the whole time? No, it wasn't one of those like wait until they're famous and send them a no, no.
Speaker 1:And the thing that I was watching I think it was the Netflix documentary the brother was saying he was like, like her friend was there too. And her friend was like you probably have a picture of your sister up on your wall. And I was like, huh, oh, right, cause he, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Are those stories even real, like where the people do?
Speaker 1:SEX. Listen to what's going to happen. It's a lot worse. Oh what?
Speaker 2:What is all right, I'm listening. Yeah, weirdo.
Speaker 1:Anna would bring her brother. I didn't do it. No, anna would bring her brother, her father and her son Daniel to the party that they were throwing for her for the play made of the year at the playboy mention. But after the party, anna would claim that when they were alone together, her father attempted to rape her.
Speaker 2:Oh, Jesus Christ In the.
Speaker 1:Netflix show they have her half brother there and Donnie said that his father was a monster. He said that he is not the kind of guy that you can feel comfortable with being left alone, and that his father once disclosed to him that he had chased down and raped his ex-wife's sisters like her, his kid sister, jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ, I remember I was like what's worse than that? You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm like hold my beer. Yeah, so he was a really gross pig. Remember the garbage person talk from the beginning of the show yes, yes, the human embodiment of trash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So when the interviewer brings up Anna's claim that her father assaulted her, her brother didn't know any of this. At first he responded by saying that it was absolutely something that he could see his father doing, but that it was impossible because he had been there the entire time. But then you can kind of see him thinking and then he finally says he thinks about it a little bit and then he says, well, I wasn't there 100% of the time, so there's actually a really good chance that it probably could have happened.
Speaker 2:This is at the Playboy Mansion.
Speaker 1:So this was after a while. Okay, so when Anna spoke about it with Missy, her friend Missy said that she recalled Anna having been so excited to go to this event and to meet her dad and her brother, and when she returned she just simply said that she didn't want to talk about it and it was never brought up again, and neither did either one of his her family members show up there for again.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, it would have been like the greatest night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because you've got the fucking weird creepy Jesus. Absentee father and he's like I've never not given you a prayer when I put my head down on my stupid fucking pillow. That's what I imagine he says Nice, but you probably nailed it. Yeah, Well, they. They show one scene too, and she's just like it's my daddy and my brother and he just keeps pulling her and like kissing her cheek, pulling her and kissing her cheek.
Speaker 1:And I'm like I knew what was going to happen and I was like I'm uncomfortable, oh Jesus. So in February of 1994 was when the glass was kind of shattered on this beautiful, this beautiful image that she had, when headlights came out that Anna Nicole had been hospitalized for a drug overdose after fighting with her jealous boyfriend and she had collapsed in the Beverly Hills hotel. Up until this point we did not manna, like we didn't think of that Anna and drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 2:It was like no, it was just kind of, although maybe no, no, not really. Cause I would she was like pure and beautiful and like I kind of put her up there with like the Janey McCarthy's, the Cindy Crawford's, like not just models but playboy centerfolds as well, and just kind of that. Your favorite is what you need. That's correct, yeah, so on second favorite to you, jesus. Oh, thank you. She's like hello.
Speaker 1:I scream at him afterwards. I was like hello. So on June 27th of 1994, anna finally gave in to Jay Howard's proposals and she married him and what was probably one of the creepiest ceremonies I ever watched but that photo?
Speaker 2:Which one? There's just a. I'm sure it's a wedding photo, cause he's in a tuxedo.
Speaker 1:Is it a white tuxedo?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:I think she's wearing. They were all in white for their wedding. Daniel dressed in white, very decrepit looking. Yes, he didn't hold up, bring me that rouge, but she wouldn't care. Oh, but he was so cute Like they played all these like phone calls for him, and he's like when she wasn't answering his phone calls and he's like hi, my precious package, call your husband.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's not adorable. That is like the.
Speaker 1:The guy from Family Guy. No, no, no, hey, hi, hey.
Speaker 2:Why don't you go over there? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. Why, no, no no.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. So when this was made public it kind of the public turned on her, more or less.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:And I will agree and say that, as far as gold digging is concerned, if we were to just talk about the optics of it all, yeah, this is not a good look. No, but also who the fuck cares, like she's not hurting anyone. He knows what he is giving and what he is receiving. He is fully within his faculties, yeah, and he's earned this money Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:This is his money.
Speaker 1:If he wants somebody to rub their rose buds on him, that's in his right.
Speaker 2:But, like you said, none of that is entertaining what you just said. It's not salacious enough. No, it is not.
Speaker 1:So that was. It's actually kind of I don't want to picture it.
Speaker 2:Like that is news to me. Yeah, Like how that stuff like to me, the narrative was just what you see on.
Speaker 1:He was like he had dementia and he couldn't put his thoughts together and she just rubbed him in and then yeah, yeah, no, he tried to get in, that will. It's kind of like a transaction. You know what I mean. Yeah, that's more like nonsense, you know, like a real bullshit. I don't. I'm not sure that tweet people to the thing I'm filmmakers try to Like. It hurts so damn, you know it. You know it hurts like hell, you knowI mean boys practice cares what other people are doing.
Speaker 1:If they're not hurting other people, then fucking leave them alone.
Speaker 2:Can I be honest with you Even when people do hurt other people, I don't really care, it's not really my business. People are like as long as they're not hurting anybody, I'm always like well, even if they are, I mean, my friends are.
Speaker 1:What if it's happening right in front of your hot dog stand? Oh, that does happen. Do you just like look down at your phone?
Speaker 2:No, I usually. Well, I grab my phone, I start filming and then the price of water goes up by three dollars because usually grabs a crowd, make that money. You capitalized on that's right, all right. Who wants a fight dogs?
Speaker 1:The sauerkraut's extra. So whatever, live and let live, I don't. I guess Matt's under a different. If people can't hurt each other, she's right, that's right. So this was kind of like, like I said, the start of the decline the black and white, beautiful gas pitchers. Now she's just kind of a gold digger. She's got these drug charges under about not charges, but she OD. She was like this, perfectly posed like China doll at first.
Speaker 2:And you've got like also the rise of, you know, not network, but like tablet television and not TMZ like before. Tmz was like inside the current affairs Perez. Hilton, perez Hilton, yeah, that's another one back in the day oh, he's a piece of garbage. Those pictures were hilarious. They always had them coming out of their mouth. I know, it was so funny, I didn't matter who they were.
Speaker 1:No, it was so funny.
Speaker 2:Betty White, drizzolo Conn yeah like Steven Spielberg on the set of his new Star Wars movie. Come Come, I'm like okay. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1:The new ET movie.
Speaker 2:Come. Guess what happened ET when he went home Come Load. So now we're at.
Speaker 1:August 22nd 1994, the edition of the New York magazine comes out and Nicole is on the cover. Mm defer, she is sitting with her legs apart. She's smiling, okay, but she looks as though she has something in her mouth like this. She's like this. Ok, you got it.
Speaker 2:Right, like the tortilla challenge, where you fill your mouth up with water.
Speaker 1:Yes, and she's going to have a booth.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:And the headline reads Tanya, lisa Marie, john and Lorena, paula, jennifer and Bill they're everywhere. Lock up your Twinkies. And then in big, bold letters it says White Trash Nation. And in between her legs is a bag of cheese puffs that she is clearly storing in her mouth.
Speaker 2:Right, wow, yeah and yeah, like that.
Speaker 1:She ends up suing Orbert because apparently they didn't have the rights to that pitcher.
Speaker 2:But oh, and I was thinking like she posed for that, like this was like a posed pitcher. No, but not from them.
Speaker 1:She might have just been on break. She's a bag of cheese puffs.
Speaker 2:That's right. Don't film me.
Speaker 1:But where's my phone? I wish I could show it. Oh, it's right behind your laptop.
Speaker 2:If you're, it's under the S and the C of scary. You're on the A and the R and the Y, oh my.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 2:There you go. I was going to look up her, was it New?
Speaker 1:York. Just look up White Trash Nation and Nicole, come on so.
Speaker 2:Trash Nation. Oh, all my Facebook pages.
Speaker 1:You got it.
Speaker 2:No, I'm now part of some sort of White Nationalist group, just called White Trash Nation. Here we go, and Nicole Smith, there you go. I mean, ok, can I be honest with you? You still think she looks hot. I think that's. That is a remarkably sexy photo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just want to be, like what do I want more in between your life? I think, the cheese puffs or her credentials.
Speaker 2:I think. I think the commentary is rather disgusting, but I think that the photo itself. It's very adorable. She's very photogenic.
Speaker 1:No kidding, she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Even when she like.
Speaker 2:Lisa Marie, John and LaRainia, Roseanne and Tom who lock up your Twinkies.
Speaker 1:Do they mean like literal Twinkies, like somebody is going to come and get your trashy pastries.
Speaker 2:I guess yeah, because Twinkies are like a white trash food maybe, and she's coming for the white trash, she's going to be the white trash leader I don't know.
Speaker 1:So in January of 1995, j Howard falls very ill. He is suffering from stomach cancer. His younger son, pierce, limits the time that Anna is allowed in the hospital room to see his father. At this point he also takes over control of his dad's estate and he stops paying Anna's bills. It was said that Anna was spending roughly six figures every month.
Speaker 2:Well, ok, maybe a conversation, Maybe just bring it in.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So she also had a $50,000 spending that she was given every month and he cuts her off from that, he stops paying her bills and he starts having her bills forwarded to her. Essentially, anna Nicole was spending six figures every month and now that has all dried up. Oh boy, oh. And 14 months after their wedding, on August, the 4th of 1995, howard dies from pneumonia and, of course, the stomach cancer. And being one thousand years old. He was a hundred light.
Speaker 2:When he died, which is he looks so spry when they wheeled him in on his wedding day. I know it's like do you take this crypt keeper to me?
Speaker 1:So Jay Howard Morgan the second was 90 years old time and he had a longstanding wish to be cremated when he passed, which was the route that his son Pierce wanted to go. But Anna said that Pierce wanted to quote unquote burn his dad and she wanted no part of it.
Speaker 1:So, she was allowed to give him a separate funeral before the cremation, and on August 7th she would wear her wedding dress and the veil from her wedding. Daniel was nine at the time, and he too would be wearing the suit that he wore to the wedding. What the fuck. There was a banner that laid across the casket that read from your lady love and.
Speaker 2:Grosspots.
Speaker 1:Anna and Daniel then sang the Bette Middler song Win Beneath.
Speaker 2:Your Wings just a little bit.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I'm just not you ever know that you're my hero. And I don't think Anna Nicole was ever vocals, no show. And then when the pastor began to read from the Bible, Anna ran sobbing.
Speaker 2:She's just like brothers and sisters. Did you ever know that you're my Matthew?
Speaker 1:23? Tell us so, of course. When he started reading, she got up abruptly and ran sobbing right out of the church. So I think that anyone who knows even the smallest bit about this case knows that there was a huge court battle after the passing of her husband. Who was entitled to that money? It was between Pierce Marshall and Anna, but then Howard's other son, whose name was also Howard. He was Howard the third. He had a falling out with his father before it's passing.
Speaker 2:Obviously he didn't know his only yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Howard the third joined Anna's side and they would become Marshall versus Marshall, and this would last years, and I will touch on that a bit at the end because it goes on far past Anna's life.
Speaker 2:Really yes, and first of all, just to remind, I had no idea they were married for, like you said, over two years 14 months, just over a year, but they were together from 91.
Speaker 1:They married in 94. They were together for like three years according to my math. Yeah, Like I mean when you include their marriage, they were together for four in a bit, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, and she had boyfriends. She had boyfriends, she had girlfriends. Yeah, and he had Rosebud.
Speaker 1:He had Rosebud whenever he wanted them.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm here, give me that Rosebud.
Speaker 1:So in November of 95, anna is once again hospitalized for an adverse reaction to prescription pills and then, with her debt just piling up, daniel's ex-nanny filed a lawsuit against Anna for sexual harassment. She said that Anna would give her drugs and alcohol and then force her into having sex, and his defense was that it was the nanny who was forcing Anna into sex. So something happened.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I think Anna Nicole Smith, though, like in all the. I mean, I know that we misjudged her and stuff at least I did back in the day from what I know now is the truth. But, like you, ever think of her as an aggressive person.
Speaker 1:Here's one thing that I will say is that, like I said, I never watched the show when it was around but, I have been watching the show in order to get a better feel for who she is. There was one episode that I watched where her assistant they were all essentially at that time in her life she was just giving titles to people to hang around with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like the blue hair or something, or she had like a weird color hair.
Speaker 1:She might have had a weird color hair, but she. They were going to like an amusement park and this assistant was so petrified like to the point of like dry heaving and crying, and Anna was like I don't care, but she was fucking wasted. Like she was like I don't give a shit, you're coming with me, please don't make me do this. Like I feel sick to my stomach, I can't do this. And she's like it's fine, you're going to sell my shit, fine.
Speaker 1:And like she forced her to go on two things and, like this, human was just beside herself. Like I've never said, I would feel like I was abusing somebody if I made them go in that state to do something that they didn't want to do.
Speaker 2:Right, ok.
Speaker 1:So who knows? But they were suing Anna for eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and not because the nanny proved her case, but just as a default judgment, because Anna had failed to comply with the applicable rules of evidence. Oh Jesus, the nanny got the ruling and that would force Anna into bankruptcy stating that she was nine million dollars in debt in her assets. Wow, she had listed four boobs. How many pot belly pigs do you think?
Speaker 2:Come on.
Speaker 1:What, what? Six, six, six Poppily pigs. How are those assets? One million dollars in jewelry, that I believe. A twelve thousand dollar doll collection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 1:The examiner. That was like reporting on the bankruptcy seemed to be over and a shit. Oh really, they stated in the report. She had no idea what. She was forced into bankruptcy. She didn't know why she was having to talk about her pigs, Geez. They said that she often seemed drugged and would take pills throughout their meeting. Did I ever tell you about? Do you know, what microblading is right?
Speaker 2:Is it the thread at the mall where they make your eyebrows? It's the tattoo.
Speaker 1:So it's a very, very small micro blade and they like just make these swoops of the eyebrow and then they fill it in with like color.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 1:So I had gone to get that done before my wedding and the girl, when I got there, was so clearly inebriated and at first I just she was talking to me and I just thought maybe this is just her personality. Like she was very loud and she was swearing and like she was like whatever, it was fine. But so I'm filling up my paperwork and she's like I'm telling her, like the shape that I want, and she's like, well the fuck, do you want that kind of shape?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, would you say McDonald's arches? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I want the golden arch for my wedding.
Speaker 1:And so, and then we go upstairs because it's in her house, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, everyone's like number one.
Speaker 1:But we go upstairs while I read all of her reviews she had amazing reviews and everything like that. So we go upstairs and I'm in like her chair and she's doing, and every time I would say something that made her laugh. She would like bend down and kiss my forehead and she kept kissing my forehead and then she drew on with an iodine pen. She drew on these eyebrows and I kid you, not on my children's life, my left eyebrow went way past, it was like my cheekbone. And then this one was like up, like way past my like corner of my eye, and I was like. I got up and I looked at it and she, I was there for four hours. She never touched me with a needle.
Speaker 1:Oh so my God leaving the room and I was like in my head because I don't have the nerve to like confront somebody about something like that and I'm like Please just stay in the room and sober up, like please stop leaving, because I know you're just going to get a drink of something that's probably what this poor examiner was doing. He's like please stop popping pills. Anyways, I ended up getting the nerve and going home, but the iodine pen had stained my skin so badly that I had to have purple eyebrows for a couple days.
Speaker 2:Was the? Was the the priest to your wedding? Like man, are you sure you want to get married?
Speaker 1:You're in the middle of a stroke.
Speaker 2:Um you're. I've never seen anybody so angry going through a stroke.
Speaker 1:No, and it was one of those things where, like I was like, oh, okay, well, I guess I'll just have to wear a hat to my wedding, like that's what I'm gonna have to do. Yeah, because I can't insult this person. And I literally just got like four minutes of what like I was like okay, I have this burst of anxiety. My stomach that's gonna let me get this out.
Speaker 1:And I was like have you been drinking today? And she just like put her head in her hands and I was like listen, I kept. I didn't know what to say. I'm like I respect you so much, like another time like we'll just rearrange it, oh, but I respect you so much for drinking while you're working.
Speaker 1:I got into my car and my hand was like this, like it was just shaking, and I messaged my girlfriend, sarah and I I said to her, I wrote out what happened to her and I was like too nauseous to drive because I was so like I just almost got my face tattooed.
Speaker 1:Yeah the most horrendous way and I messaged my girlfriend Sarah, and she's wonderful and she's usually so sweet and supportive and offers good advice but I got back a text that said oh my God, and then five lines of ha ha ha ha, ha, ha, ha so in 3.
Speaker 1:in that moment I was like like now I can laugh about it, but in that moment I was like I felt like I had almost been hit by a train. Yeah, so I can relate to this guy like you just sitting there and she's like Pulling it down. Did I ever get a?
Speaker 2:tan. Did I ever get a tan yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I went and got it done before the wedding. But it was like you have to go and then you do like one session and then you wait five weeks and then you get another session. And I had planned out around this the original girl so that it was like all of the healing and everything like that would be done in perfect time for the wedding and like I could only go for one session. So it wasn't ideal but whatever I was like, oh man, you seem to be in kind of mid-healing?
Speaker 2:Did you sneeze in a tanning bed by chance? Because um?
Speaker 1:It's a really gross disease. The things I was just and I was on a bit of a kick because of this case yesterday and I was with my girlfriends doing a kids' party for Christmas To go for it and I was like they're all talking about like all their workouts and they're gaining weight and they're doing this and it's so because of this case we don't fucking need to do anything anymore.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:They'll just use and abuse us and then, when they're done with us, we'll just dive over ourselves.
Speaker 2:They're like what?
Speaker 1:is happening. Can the kids paint the gingerbread cookies, or are you just gonna have a fucking breakdown?
Speaker 2:Okay, that's okay. Just move Angelina out of the way, that's all right. No, no, her eyes are sweating. Those aren't tears. No, that's because she's from hot.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, this poor guy is just sitting there, she's doing all these pills he says she could barely walk. Her speech was slurred and she had to lay down in a darkened room as the light bothered her and she could not remember what she said from one moment to the next.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it right. You can't remember what you said from one moment to the next. Yeah, that's right, this room is really bright.
Speaker 1:You're like, why are you here?
Speaker 2:Yes, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1:Hey, what's up. So the bankruptcy was filed in February of 1996 and then six years later, on August 4th 2002, which was also the seventh anniversary of the death of her husband, anna was back in the spotlight. She now had her own show on the E Network, because E will always help you work for a drug addiction.
Speaker 2:Good, I've noticed, rody.
Speaker 1:And so her show was called the Anna Nicole Show. Now you told me that you watched the show when it originally aired, so do you care to share what you felt about the show? Did you still think she was hot when you were watching the show?
Speaker 2:You know what that is tough? Because, no, I felt it Well. I felt they're more attainable during the show. Ok, but I think all I remember is like a pink velour jumpsuit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she wanted her whole room to be hot pink fur.
Speaker 2:That's right. The dust. Yeah, the dust Like.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do? How are you going to beat it with a freaking broom every day? There's a reason our rooms aren't fur, and that's it. That's the only reason. That is it. So I watched two episodes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very exploitive.
Speaker 1:It was awful. Yeah, it was absolutely awful. And you know what I will say for her and in Anna's defense I feel like when she gained all the weight, she decided to just plaster on the makeup, and so it was like she had like a really meamy from Drew Carey. Look.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Like the really dark, and then they would show her going to the dentist. I watched an episode with her going to the dentist Completely fresh face, still so gorgeous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's skin.
Speaker 1:Like it was like she put on all this extra makeup because she was trying to make up for the fact that she had gained weight, but her face was still absolutely beautiful, like she didn't need all that makeup. No, like the dark red lipstick. Like girl, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was almost like a cartoon, like a Marilyn Monroe and Betty.
Speaker 1:Boop and I think that, like, the weight gain with the makeup was what caused people to make fun of her, because it was just a lot of trying really hard and her face was stunning.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think you know, she was an extremely hot girl and you know, an attractive famous person and we fucking love a fall from grace as a society and, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It sucks. The one that I watched, oh God it was so. It was painful. I was, like you know, secondhand embarrassment when it's on a TV, like this guy. So the millionaire matchmaker who she wasn't back then. But she was. She was working with Ann and Nicole Smith.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so she arranged for Ann and Nicole to go on a date with this guy. And this guy was such a twerp.
Speaker 2:God bless his little heart, because he tried so bad.
Speaker 1:He's like went to the tailor's like can you make sure that my sleeves aren't too long, Because I'm going out with Ann and Nicole Smith and she was, she's like. They went to like a Tepanaki restaurant where they cook everything on the grill in front of you.
Speaker 2:Oh nice.
Speaker 1:And she's like she's over it. She is so over it. She's like I need some more sake to sit there dinner with this guy.
Speaker 1:And she's just downing the sake and he's like talking to her the entire time. So, anna, like, what do you do? And she's just like looking at him like half eyes, half open, like she's just like just goes back to her food, she goes. Do you think that it would be rude if I asked for some HP sauce? And he's like, if Anna wants to, nicole or HP sauce, she gets HP sauce. Damn right, bro. But like she was over it. Yeah, he was trying so painfully hard and she was on another planet. She was like. It was so uncomfortable I didn't know who. I was embarrassed for.
Speaker 2:You know what? It was probably something that the writers of the show came up with the producers and she'd forgotten about it, or they just sprung it on her, and then, all of a sudden, she's in a situation where she's like I don't know what the fuck's going on.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was so bad she was. Just he's trying to talk to her and she's just sitting in the car Like she looks like she could fall asleep at any minute. She's just sitting there and I'm just like, oh my God, and that guy doesn't even realize that she wants to talk and roll out of the car, right now, because she does not want to be in this position, but it was.
Speaker 1:You know, like I said, she had put on a substantial amount of weight. She's still beautiful, but most concerning is that she's absolutely not on this planet anymore. This is clearly a woman who's struggling with addictions, and we turn this show into something that we should watch for our enjoyment. And like I don't want to pretend like I'm on my like, scolding anybody because I fucking would have watched it- too, I watched Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 1:He would regularly imitate how she behaved. But now to look back to like 2023 scope, I think it's not okay and we're also worried about Britney and like rightfully so but like this was fucking tenfold what Britney's doing.
Speaker 2:I mean I will say this it was tough to speak out about, but I was kind of a little against the whole free Britney movement. I thought it got a little too much traction way too quickly and then all of a sudden she's free and it's like well, wait, maybe I don't know, Maybe take those knives away, yeah. For the record, I was like Connie should have a conservatorship. So it's not. Connie should have conservatorship.
Speaker 1:Do you know how hard it is to get a conservatorship for an adult that's like within an age? That's my parents.
Speaker 2:I could probably tell you they have a good idea.
Speaker 1:So, and then the Howard Stern show. Yeah, he was going on about how she he goes. She doesn't even know how fat she is. Yeah, he's like she's got to be at least 300 pounds. And then that toothy idiot, what's his name? Baba Bui. Yeah, idiot, he was like I wouldn't get every 300, but she's pretty close. She's like 285 probably. And then they ended up having a contest to see who could be closest to how much she actually weighed. Was she on the show that day? The fuck? No, okay, and you know what?
Speaker 2:She could have been?
Speaker 1:I don't think so, because I watched a clip that she was not involved in, but Okay, because they do?
Speaker 2:No, I don't. There was a show where they do have a scale in the studio and they tried to put her on it.
Speaker 1:And in a cool smith.
Speaker 2:I believe so, yeah, yeah, what they were asking her to get on the scale. I know, okay, you know what?
Speaker 1:Like there's things that are, what are they? What would have been funny back then? That's, that wouldn't have been funny back then.
Speaker 2:I think always women's weight has been a no-no, that's a definite a definite faux pas. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Gross. So at one point the Anna Nicole Smith show was the highest watch show on the network.
Speaker 2:Which is terrible, because that's just which is gross she's going to feed the machine and she'll think that it's famous and people love her for her, and it's not the case and it's really embarrassing.
Speaker 1:But, like everything, we got tired of watching it and the novelty wore off and it was canceled after two seasons. But in the show we were introduced to her lawyer, Howard Castern, who had to have a K because otherwise we'd think he was this other dipshit, that's right. I remember thinking he was a bad guy and when this was all happening. But in re-watching it I think he really, really did care about her and like he took a lot of shit from her too Like she was constantly honest and a lot of people on the show were given titles.
Speaker 1:It was mostly just her entourage getting paid. I think she had a security guard who she called Momo. He's like this big black, handsome man and I loved him. He was interviewed in the Ann and Nicole documentary. He was my favorite part of the documentary Like he called her baby girl and he was like so.
Speaker 2:Is it a?
Speaker 1:new documentary. Yeah, it's like how new. Oh, we did it a couple months, oh, okay. Yeah yeah, so they really seemed to care about each other. Her His name was Big Mo, but she called him Momo. That's cute, yeah. So in October of 2003, anna reemerges as a spokesperson for Trim Spa.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was nutrient. Yeah, I thought it was something else. But yeah, trim Spa, yeah.
Speaker 1:She lost an absolute ton of weight, her hair was blonder than ever and she looked happy again. It was an award show. Yeah, oh God, when she went up and was like incoherent, yeah. Like I assume I think she was announcing Kanye.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I was like okay. Besides, she was announcing I would have been like I was actually just doing a bit, because Kanye is so incoherent. That wasn't just me, I was just I was pretending. So behind the scenes, anna Nicole was actually being injected with the human growth hormone NB12. And those injections were what was helping her maintain her weight.
Speaker 2:We now know that today as OZM.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know Apparently, and I don't know if this is true, so I'm sure somebody will correct me my girlfriend was just saying yesterday that it was. Zempic is essentially like insulin, so that it, like it, breaks down your sugar instead of like I do know that there's a connection to it being diabetes medication that is so bad for you.
Speaker 2:Which makes a logical step that it would be insulin based or something. Oh my God, what is that Insulin Like? In general, I don't even it's a spleen or something, or pancreas.
Speaker 1:I don't even know. It's your pancreas. So my sister's a juvenile diabetic so she a sense seven has. Like her pancreas is just like I'm out of here, like type two diabetes is kind of like you haven't been the healthiest.
Speaker 2:You made your bed. What's that Me made your?
Speaker 1:bed. But like juvenile diabetes, like this, this shits Right, it's going to have one way or the other. It's usually genetics and yeah, I just can't imagine, because I feel like you would bottom out then, like your sugar would go so low that you would. I guess maybe your pancreas maybe produces sugar, maybe it thinks you're full, I don't know, I don't know. My girlfriend was saying that people she knows somebody who's on it and that they always feel nauseous.
Speaker 2:Do they have diarrhea?
Speaker 1:That's a good question. That is a big one. Yeah, I don't know where the chain of knowledge broke, but I didn't find out about that, okay.
Speaker 2:Maybe next time we're talking to your girlfriends I will ask her We'd ask her a hard hitting question oh, you know what I got it, hey what was the last time you had the yes.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not my girlfriend that has it. That would just be an arbitrary fact that I would know. No, it's her friends. But, I do like to know if my friends are regular so that makes sense, that's right. So you know, she was maintaining her weight. She was also said that she was not intaking any food and she was drinking very minimal water. Yeah, no shit. And she was taking diuretics to get her figure back to where people were not constantly mocking her.
Speaker 2:A diuretic is what like a pill that makes you? Go poop, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Yeah, so her bodyguard, momo, would say in the documentary that the world thought that Howard was the one who was controlling Anna and pulling the strings, but he claimed that Anna would never let that happen and if anyone ever tried to control her, she would have fired them.
Speaker 2:I do not see that at all. Yeah, I feel that she should have been in a conservatorship, I think I don't know man.
Speaker 1:When I saw her with that girl at the amusement park I was like that poor she's afraid to get fired. There's no other way that she would have forced her on those rides if she wasn't able to hold a major.
Speaker 2:See, I take everything on a reality show like that, with a grain I don't think Anna Nicole was the most easily controlled person.
Speaker 1:Really, you think she could have been like an alpha. Do you think? I don't think she was an alpha, but I think that she dominated, like she had a certain amount of power that she could hold over people. Yeah, and I also don't think that we could possibly expect that somebody would give her a script and be like okay, you just really act like you're gonna make forces girls go on these rides. And Anna Nicole's like yeah, I'm nothing if I'm not professional. I will make this very believable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So Anna, in 2005, decided that she wanted to have another baby because, as I always said, babies fix everything. That is correct. They're super easy going. They just repair things really.
Speaker 2:And you and your husband had three fights so far in your marriage and I forget how many remind me about how many kids I don't know.
Speaker 1:Daniel was 19 now and he was getting more independent and him and Anna had actually started like butting heads a lot more Uh-oh. So Anna wanted more than anything to have a little princess that she could dress up and do her hair, and I am taking the liberty on myself, anna being from Texas, I can just imagine the hair and the dresses that this logo would have been dressed in the honey boo boo, little tauts and tears, honey boo boo of it all.
Speaker 2:Mother of God, I'll bet you right now there would have been a remake of that, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, just with a baby, though. Oh, that would have been so cute With the little little jeans on the baby.
Speaker 2:Little jeans, Little tiny peduncadil little diaper bunny.
Speaker 1:So Anna had basically handpicked her baby daddy. She had physical traits that she found that she would want in a baby and that was how she landed on Larry Burkehead. He was a photographer, he was her photographer.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought he was a paparazzi guy, yeah, kind of Like he would show up to like and take specific photos.
Speaker 1:So he was blonde with blue eyes and he was Anna's photographer in the Netflix documentary. It was actually said and I don't know how much weight you can put into this, but it was said that Anna could not stand him. Yeah, I would buy that, I just felt like that was a horrible thing to say when Danny Lynn, her daughter, is now 17 years old and can very easily watch a Netflix special and hear that her mom hated her father.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really I was like ugh.
Speaker 1:So on June 1st of 2006, on annanacoolcom, she is laying in a pool with no makeup, which I personally find to be her best look ever, and she confirms what the rumors have been stating that she is in fact pregnant.
Speaker 2:With Howard K Stern's baby.
Speaker 1:I don't even think they ever had sex.
Speaker 2:Maybe hand stuff over the clothes Rose blood stuff, rose buds. You think you saw those rose buds, dang girl, you freaky, you freak nasty.
Speaker 1:So something that should be noted, and I'm sure I have implied as much. But Anna's still taking a lot of pain medicine. She had back problems due to her implants and at one point one of her implants even ruptured and split her nipple.
Speaker 2:Oh, the rosebud. A rose by any other name, not Thurgood's favorite rosebud, his name is not Thurgood. Oh yeah, J Howard.
Speaker 1:Marshall Second Second.
Speaker 2:My rosebud, oh good.
Speaker 1:So how much of her medication was actually necessary, I don't know, but one of the heavy meds that she was taking was methadone.
Speaker 2:Okay that I've heard of Whoop-a-doodle-dandy, that's for getting off of like four-line yeah.
Speaker 1:So a lot of people did think that she had a heroin problem because she was on all this methadone.
Speaker 2:Or opioid, I think Is the same kind of deal.
Speaker 1:No, I believe methadone itself is an opioid.
Speaker 2:Well, look at us. I did write in here an addiction to come off opioids.
Speaker 1:But then I was like I think I got to be more specific because I believe methadone's an opioid.
Speaker 2:I do believe that as well, and I think it's controlled. I think it's a weaning process.
Speaker 1:I think we're doctors.
Speaker 2:I think my sister would know. My sister, this was like my sister when she does for a living.
Speaker 1:She does methadone, that's right.
Speaker 2:She's an influencer, she's, she's Methadone faux life. Her job wood up lens is she doesn't listen to this Working that long.
Speaker 1:She's like I'm too scared to listen. That's what she told me, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's just her husband. Yeah, what up to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so are you going to clarify that she isn't on methadone?
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, no she's not on methadone, my apologies. She helps people Perfect. Yeah, thank you for clarifying. She's a nurse.
Speaker 1:So her doctor was giving her methadone. That doctor is Dr Sandeep Kapoor, and Dr Kapoor stated that he was worried about Anna coming off the methadone drug during her pregnancy. Don't talk about the smoking one again.
Speaker 2:I just you know, it just blows my fucking mind. You know what? Hey, listen, keep up with the opioids, because I don't want to do anything bad to the babies.
Speaker 1:You know the baby's going to be fine, as long as you have a steady stream of methadone so that's what I always say. That's right below my family coat of arms.
Speaker 2:Could you see my mind going and you're like don't talk about that fucking bit though.
Speaker 1:You like, got defeated for a second I know. You're like that's right, you should hang out outside of doctor's offices. Hey, did he tell you to keep smoking? You shouldn't do that. Don't do it. You should quit. You need to quit right now. She's like are you a doctor? No, I'm just this guy who stands outside the doctor's offices, that's right, I have solid advice.
Speaker 1:So, dr Kapoor, you know he was worried and he didn't want anything bad to happen to the baby so he continued to provide it for her. It was said that she did enter a drug detox at four months old. It was called Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. But nearing the end of her pregnancy, anna Nicole had started to worry that Larry was going to try and take her baby. So she, daniel and Howard left and went to the Bahamas.
Speaker 1:Yes, and in the Bahamas, the law is regardless of true paternity. The legal father is the name that is put onto the birth certificate.
Speaker 2:So what a fucking idiot If they were just like imagine if, like, the guy wasn't even there. I'm like Mad McQueen yeah, that's like, that's like I'm just like, hey, I'm like I'm not the father of two of them.
Speaker 1:Hey, you want to start making me child support. You're like huh Huh, sorry, huh, rosebun.
Speaker 2:Rosebun, that you rosebun.
Speaker 1:I can't hear you. So they left. But Dr Kupor was worried because he did not think that in the Bahamas Anna could get the methadone that she needed.
Speaker 2:So obviously that four month detox didn't work Is there not some weird like that's like wrestling law, Like if, if, like if Bret Hart is going to fight Stone Cold and there's a contract signing, Sean Michaels in wrestling and Bahama law can pick up that contract, sign it and fight Stone Cold, Like just anything.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying is that Vince. Mcmahon makes the laws in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2:That is exactly what I'm saying, and I know that we're there.
Speaker 1:I think, I think we should talk to Rihanna about this. She probably knows. Oh yes, rihanna, if you could reach out.
Speaker 2:Yo, rihanna, shoot me a DM. Yeah, right, like I don't ever blog, first thing Okay.
Speaker 1:Can I tell you that I saw a video. Have you ever seen? I don't know what it is. I tried to pull it up again to show my friends. But we're Rihanna's twerking. But it's not twerking Like. It's not like. What we have known, come and known to love is twerking. She's literally just standing and like her feet don't move from the ground and then all of a sudden you can just see her bum start moving and her back is moving and I'm like I literally could have wasted an entire fucking day of my life.
Speaker 2:I actually did that entire day of my life and I had to spend the next day on the lights to get my hydration levels back up. Do you know what the secret is of that stuff?
Speaker 1:I don't know that you have the secret, but sure, let me hear it.
Speaker 2:It's in your knees. All you do is move your knees back and forth. You don't even think about your feet, you don't even think about your hips, you just move your feet, but your knees back and forth.
Speaker 1:Here's what I think. I think you're setting me up to look like an idiot.
Speaker 2:No, I am telling you.
Speaker 1:I just got my knees going like crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, I'm sexy with this, I can have a headset on All right here, okay.
Speaker 1:He's going to try to twerk now.
Speaker 2:Well, not twerk fully, but like just okay. Can you see my butt? Yes, Okay. So my feet are okay, see, See how it's shaking, though. And then you just took a doll, Like you. Like what you see, girl.
Speaker 1:I think this is stuff for the beach room. Caitlyn's not going to be happy. Are you single now, is he?
Speaker 2:Can't fucking be happy, can't you see my girl.
Speaker 1:Well, last episode you showed me your crop circles and she's like God damn it.
Speaker 2:Matt, you can crop circles in the picture. You can crop what. Why must you tweak in your parents' basement in front of the wind? Do you think our marriage is a sham?
Speaker 1:Your mom's going to get the rich damn Matt. I told you to stop doing that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Are you twerking again? No mother.
Speaker 1:So this is a very pen story and you're twerking, yeah, peaking. So in the middle of our story the doctor had to call the pharmacy because he had to arrange for an inequality at her methadone. They didn't sell it in the Bahamas so he would have it shipped to her from the States.
Speaker 2:Okay, sounds reasonable.
Speaker 1:So they went ahead and arranged for that to happen. Daniel ended up leaving and going back to Florida for a bit because he and Anna were not getting along and he had started to experience some depression and anxiety. So he started seeing a therapist for this and he was prescribed the drug Lexapro.
Speaker 2:Heard of it.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then, on September, the 7th of 2006, anna Nicole gave birth to a beautiful baby girl, who she originally named Hannah Rose.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:No, and in her records her name was originally Hannah Rose Marshall Stern. Okay, there's a fucking lot of names in this case you remember and that name would remain until October, the 11th of 2006. Daniel flew back to the Bahamas to meet his new little sister and thankfully he was able to meet her because on the morning of September 10th 2006, anna woke to find Daniel cold and unresponsive.
Speaker 2:That I remember most headlines. That was fucking tragic.
Speaker 1:And there had a picture of him too, didn't they Like? Sitting in the chair in her hospital room, I believe, oh.
Speaker 2:God, who knows?
Speaker 1:A nurse was called to the room at 9.38 am and they tried for 22 minutes to save Daniel, with no luck, and at 10.05 am he was pronounced dead. It was in the documentary that there were 300 international paparazzi outside of Anna's hotel room trying to catch her in very literally the worst moment of her life Wow, which is like there's no money that you could pay me to want to capture her. A mother's like. Why would you even want? Yeah, no shit. I would feel sick for the rest of my life if I was like I'm going to make money off of how sad you look right now.
Speaker 2:I have friends that are like like actual, not like me, like an actual journalist, that do like TV hits and stuff, and sometimes they got to cover crashes or accidents and talk to families and it's just like what do you do, Like how do you even approach that? And they're like their ways, just kind of have that person's story be told.
Speaker 1:I don't know why paparazzi is a little different, because that's very experience. Normal journalism, I think, is a little bit different, like crashes and stuff like that, but it's got to be just so harsh this is so salacious, yeah, you know, what I mean Like.
Speaker 2:And you wouldn't have a conscience. So it probably wouldn't even fuck with Balia.
Speaker 1:It would, I could never do it. Um so, of course, she was, you know, being on devastated.
Speaker 2:Sorry, can I interrupt you? Her son, her son died at the hospital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the wow, yeah, so the baby was born on the 6th. Daniel was dead on the morning of the 10th. Wow, so she was now sleeping all the time because she would say that in her dream she would be back with Daniel and when she awoke he would be taken from her again. She was in agony and would often say she would just break down and say that she just needed to go and be with Daniel, like they were. It was just the two of them.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. They were like it was them against the world for like the longest time, and she, it Changed her whole life so that she could be a better mom to him and plus I gotta think, and I'm sure I'm overstepping, but I do believe there is a like a hormonal change with women when it comes to having babies, and I got to think that afterwards.
Speaker 1:So you're already having the worst moment of your life and then like, yeah, like there's, there's, it's a hormone dump, right, like it's crazy. It is it's like you don't know, but like it's when women get their like PMS times a hundred, like it's just amplified so much. Yeah it's. I can't imagine I would never, ever want to snap a picture of somebody in that Horrific type of their life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then you're like I mean you probably don't want to ever leave your room, but you know you can't. Yeah, exactly, if you wanted to.
Speaker 1:On the evening of February 5th of 2007, anna went to bed with a hundred and five degree temperature. She had been complaining about pain on the left side of her upper leg. They said her bum. But Trying to keep a classic, this is a classic we don't talk about, we do. However, With your rep rest that's correct.
Speaker 1:So she was receiving her injections in that area. She refused to be seen at a hospital and instead takes a cold bath and some antibiotics and her temperature grows down to 97 degrees, which is normal. She takes a couple tablespoons of a chloral hydrate. You know what that is? No, it's a sleeping aid. It's a liquid sleeping aid, and apparently Anna had it in a baby bottle beside her bed.
Speaker 2:That I do that. It definitely sounds familiar for some reason. No, like that, that detail of like a baby bottle of medication mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So the next day there is a noticeable strong, foul odor coming off of Anna and it's narrowed down to her injection site, which is hot to the touch and undeniably infected. She drinks a bunch of pedialyte and takes another bath, after which she says she's feeling better. She takes more of the liquid sleep aid and goes to sleep and awakens a short time later. Take some anxiety and weight loss medication, a muscle relaxer, jesus. And the sleeping pill again.
Speaker 2:Well, not the sleeping pill, the sleeping Her leg is probably rotting from the inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which all sounds like way too much. A muscle relaxer paired with like a sleep aid is scary and, like I said, it was in a baby bottle that was beside her bed was the sleep aid. The next day was a Wednesday and Howard found Anna in a dry bathtub, disoriented. She had eaten something in the morning and then in the evening she ate crab cakes and shrimp and watch TV until Taking another sleep aid. And the next day was Thursday, february the 8th. When Howard woke up, anna was already awake and he helped her to the washroom and brought her back to bed. She was complaining that she was exhausted. Howard had to leave because he was finalizing the purchase of a yacht.
Speaker 1:What a excuse that is a really important thing to do when someone is rotting in front of you, sorry.
Speaker 2:I know that you're rotting, I'm rather be yachting. Oh god, thank you. That was pretty, not not bad, thank you.
Speaker 1:At 1 pm the wife of bodyguard Momo finds Anna unresponsive and blue. Her name is Tasma and she is a registered nurse who starts performing CPR on Anna. She also calls her husband, who at the time was helping a family member move. He gets there right away and calls 911. At 146 EMS arrived and at 243 they got to the hospital and sadly, at 249 Anna Nicole, whose legal name was still Vicki Lynn Marshall, was pronounced dead. Wow, after her death there were five men in the running to be Danny Lynn's father. So that's that's right. That's what they ended up changing her name to after Daniel's death. So after a month after birth they ended up changing her name to Danny Lynn. I know big blue eyes oh, she's so pretty, right.
Speaker 1:And Jadragh boar's husband was Prince Annette.
Speaker 2:Yeah Something crazy like that. I wrote it down and then I'm like I'm not even gonna say it yes, my name is Prince Annette.
Speaker 1:He's like couldn't deny that he was the father. So, whatever, that's right. The court cases for Howard Marshall's money were still ongoing. So Anna had died. And where's my note in here? It's in the back of the book Anna had died and where's my note in here? It says Pierce, the son that was fighting.
Speaker 1:Oh, he had died the year before. Oh, so everybody who's fighting for it is dead. Um, by this point, pierce Marshall, yeah, was when he was fighting for his father's fortune he had died already. So the two people originally fighting gotta gotta gotta send that later. Just as I gotta go. So it was 12 years after j Howard Marshall had passed, and in 2011, it was decided that Anna's estate was not entitled to any of the money.
Speaker 2:That's kind of bullshit. Yeah, I don't like that, I guess like, okay, listen, you know that and tie up to the whole thing, no sure.
Speaker 1:The court case is really complicated and we would have been here until the sun comes up if we actually went into it. But they had actually been awarded Her estate, had been awarded $450 million, and then it went to like the supreme court and it the ruling was overruled.
Speaker 1:So it was just it was ongoing for for so many to lose that case when you just say Rosebud's old man, because he didn't have anything in writing and she had actually tried to even get a recording in and she was like pulled at her boobs and we're like was trying to get him to say that he wanted to take care of her and Daniel, because he had even actually gone and tried to adopt Daniel Because he wanted to take care of them financially. But he also did in the three, four years that they were together. He gave her so much money and he kind of Like hoped that she would bank some of this money so that it didn't come to this, but she was just spending, so lavishly and crazy
Speaker 1:right, but yeah, so she wasn't entitled to any of that money. And although everything about Anna's life was so tragic, the judge, david oakharder, said of the longevity of this case, time spent litigating the relationship between vicki lin and j Howard has extended for nearly five years the length of their relationship and nearly 20 times the length of their marriage. It is neither reasonable nor practical to go forward. The american taxpayer has supported the burden of this litigation for many years and it is time for this suit to no longer drag the weary length before the court.
Speaker 2:Wow, he's like I'm so, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1:There is another judge, a different judge, and he was like please, what did he say?
Speaker 2:He just didn't want to be any part of it anymore.
Speaker 1:He was like I'm done.
Speaker 2:I'm done. What a circus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was crazy. So danie lin is now 17. Uh, there had been some worry. Wow, she's 17.
Speaker 2:That's crazy beautiful.
Speaker 1:Um. I saw like an interview at howards home with her. They live in like uh, kentucky, I want to say and they just follow her around when she's 12 and she's just like one of those normal kids. It's bouncing off the walls, yeah yeah just crazy, and she's got like a big picture in her room that anna actually painted when she was seven months pregnant with her.
Speaker 1:And it's a really good picture. Actually kind of looks like the cartoon at the beginning of the antinaculture, but danie lin is now 17. There had been some worry that she was going to have some damage because of the methadone that was consumed during pregnancy, but in grade 11 danielan was on the honor roll. She seems like a very well-rounded young lady and, like I said, she has that painting.
Speaker 1:Um, I said I would touch on anna's claims that her mother was abusive to her, so I just wanted to go through that again. I truly always believed that anna had this horrific childhood and that she had been abused and sexually assaulted. But again in the netflix documentary, everyone denies these events and they have a recording of her mother verge may. She died of cancer in 2018, but in the clip she is saying that she would say to her daughter why do you tell such lies? And anna would say mom, I wish you could understand. I make more telling stories than I do selling good stories. So I make more telling sad stories than I do selling good stories. And her mother asked her if she was embarrassed that everyone was pitting her and anna said not to the tune of however much money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, geez and her dear friend missy says in the documentary that she heard anna once speak about her childhood and missy recognized the stories that anna was telling. But they were not anna's stories. There are missy's stories.
Speaker 2:Oh Jesus.
Speaker 1:And she said she was telling them the exact same way that they had been told to her. She said anna was so incredibly believable it was as if she had told the story so many times that she actually believed them herself. Wow, at the end of it all, anna's death was ruled an accidental overdose, just as her sons was Um. They found nine prescription drugs in her system and there was no methadone and no foul play suspected. And that is the tragic life of anna, nicole smith or vicki lin-merchell.
Speaker 2:Wow so sad you know like just a beauty and then wow, what um like, do you think? Tried sx a couple of times I don't know. I feel like a cold salamander, that's what I would do if I was the judge. I'd be like, all right, miss is nicole smith. What base are we talking here with old?
Speaker 1:mr Marshall, right, like you can have a wet, like a marriage annuled if you hadn't fornicated, right? So I mean, if that's, like the, the factor that makes it a legitimate marriage.
Speaker 2:But what is fornication? Is it like penetration, or can it just be like hand stuff?
Speaker 1:I don't think it can be hand stuff.
Speaker 2:Really, you can't consummate a marriage.
Speaker 1:Is this the right word? Yeah, yeah, consummate a marriage with hand stuff.
Speaker 2:No, all right, I gotta file some paperwork.
Speaker 1:Yeah, boy is oh all right, let's get on to the page on episode Okay, okay, bye.