TRIGGER WARNING- involving a child, and sexual assault. On October 1st of 1993, 12 year old Polly Klaas, had 2 of her best friends; Kate and Gillian over for a fun sleep over. After the girls got into some fun with makeup, nintendo, and a board game, Polly opened the door to her bedroom, to find a man, dressed all in dark clothing, holding a dark duffel bag. After binding and gagging Kate and Gillian, the man told them to count to 1,000 and by the time they were finished he would be gone and Polly would be back in her room. Sadly, that was not the case. As Gillian ran through the home looking for her friend, Kate went across the hallway, where Polly's sleeping mother and sister were, and What Polly's mom Eve would wake up to was a complete nightmare. This is the case of Americas child; Polly Klaas
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TRIGGER WARNING- involving a child, and sexual assault. On October 1st of 1993, 12 year old Polly Klaas, had 2 of her best friends; Kate and Gillian over for a fun sleep over. After the girls got into some fun with makeup, nintendo, and a board game, Polly opened the door to her bedroom, to find a man, dressed all in dark clothing, holding a dark duffel bag. After binding and gagging Kate and Gillian, the man told them to count to 1,000 and by the time they were finished he would be gone and Polly would be back in her room. Sadly, that was not the case. As Gillian ran through the home looking for her friend, Kate went across the hallway, where Polly's sleeping mother and sister were, and What Polly's mom Eve would wake up to was a complete nightmare. This is the case of Americas child; Polly Klaas
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Welcome to Everything Scary. My name is Lynn and I'm here with my co-host local celebrity, sorry, sorry, international celebrity. Thank you, matt McClain.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Every Tuesday we release a new episode, mostly true crime, but we've also been known to cover a pandemic, a haunting, a super mad, super strong chimpanzee. We'll cover anything and everything scary. Please rate us five stars and join us on Instagram at Everything Scary Pod. Here we go, hello, hello, how are you?
Speaker 2:I am terrific. How about yourself?
Speaker 1:I'm good, I feel, like you always say you're terrific. Like is that?
Speaker 2:Get some masks.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:So you're suffering Out of ten. I'm like a four. Oh wow, that's not great. I don't think I like to bring people down. I don't want to bring people down. I'm about to do that for everyone. Anyway, I fake it.
Speaker 1:You don't need to add to it, I guess.
Speaker 2:How are you? Did you have a lovely Christmas?
Speaker 1:I had a pretty good Christmas, I mean New Year's. I told you went to hell because our plumbing erupted.
Speaker 2:Yes, now, that is an interesting way to ring in the new year.
Speaker 1:Well, it was especially when my daughter came up to me and she was like um, the toilet has dropped. She goes, the toilet's bubbling and there's water all over the floor, oh. God and I said, okay, that's a daddy problem. And so she went to tell him and then he was like the plunger broke. It was chaos, it was so bad. And he's pretty level headed and he kept going what the fuck?
Speaker 2:And I was like, okay, I need to get the kids out of there, so they're fully pajama clad, I gathered them Wait. Can we get a time check here?
Speaker 1:I don't know, first thing in the morning Like six or like one no not six, not six Like seven eight. Like, yeah, awful. So they're all in pajamas. He goes I need a new plunger and I'm like it's New Year's. Where am I going to get a new plunger from?
Speaker 2:Christmas is over. Make your list Okay For next year. God you know, I got him a PS5.
Speaker 1:And the problem with getting a plunger is my son is obsessed with Super Mario Brothers. So, first of all, we went to the corner store which was open and I got a plunger and I brought it back and all I can hear from the washroom is what the fuck kind of plunger is this Wait, wait, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I didn't peer in, I don't know what was going on. But so then I went to Shoppers. Thank God they had a Valida plunger. Who knew that was a thing? Is it the cheese, maybe? I?
Speaker 2:remember thinking of Velvita.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually think of Velvita, you know what. It would have been just as useful because we got fucking plunger dinner.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty good business model supplying the cheese and the plunger. Oh, that's a back around business model.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is like back her up kind of thing Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I see where you're going with that, yeah thank you.
Speaker 1:So I'm Googling, trying to find like a big brand name store, and Walmart was the only thing, but it was in Keswick. So I'm like, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to get off the highway in Bradford. I'm going to drive all the way through Bradford. Nobody knows where this is, so it makes no sense to anyone. But basically I found a Canadian tire that was open, which is one of our hardware stores.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so I went into the plumbing section and I was like what do you need? He's like I need a toilet gasket.
Speaker 2:It looks like a donut.
Speaker 1:Everything in the plumbing session looks like a donut, every single thing, yeah. So I called some girl who was 12 or 13 years old, I'm sure Excuse me. She had no idea what I was talking about. So she ended up coming with her little machine and she's showing me all the different toilet gaskets. And then my son's like look at this plumber, it was like a sink plunger.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, little guy, it was so small and he thought it was so cool.
Speaker 1:He's like, can we just get this? And I'm like I'm in hell right now, so obviously. So you put that in here, because I love you. And my really little guy was like can I just please come out of the shopping cart? I'm like I'll leave you here, I will. I've figured I'm walking away from everything Today. We're going to learn where to melt down his kids and I had to stay level because he was out a hundred so I had to stay just.
Speaker 2:Do you ever lose your shit? I mean like everybody just come down.
Speaker 1:When I don't know, I try to save it for when they have, you know for like anniversary, yeah, anniversary's birthdays, not new years, new years. New years nothing burger. But if that's going to determine how my year is going to go. It's not going to go well, wow. And then I was like the kids are starving because we've literally been driving all day, and so I was like I'm going to stop at St Louis and get them food. I got two double orders of wings. It costs $82.
Speaker 2:Oh my God yeah.
Speaker 1:And then my husband. When I got back I'm like I gave him all the stuff and he goes. I sent you a text message that you could have got a different toilet seat and I was like I didn't think we had time for another toilet seat yeah. And he's like well, you had time to get food.
Speaker 2:We have children. They are dying of starvation.
Speaker 1:And I can't do the dishes because all the water's back. It's all turned off because it was like spewing out.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So that's just for the people that say we talk too much off the top of the show.
Speaker 2:What kind of toilet seat did he want? I don't know, like a cushy, like a warm one in the winter time and a cushion one when you have little baby boys, why not? Because it gets covered in urine. Yeah, you can have them sit down when you pee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you try to get them to do something and tell me how that works out for you. Yeah, good point. How does your mom, does she get you to sit down when you pee at this age?
Speaker 2:It was actually her suggestion that I, that I start sitting down when I pee. I said okay, I got a squatty potty and everything that's adorable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Although unfortunately, sometimes when I'm pooing I feel like a gargoyle, Like I'm purged out by my knees or my Well, you just painted a picture and for all the people that thought we talked too much off the top, now the rest of them, yeah.
Speaker 2:How dare you the?
Speaker 1:people that didn't say it.
Speaker 2:How dare you with your baseless?
Speaker 1:claims we have a little bit of levity at the beginning of the show, because this is going to be a really hard one to go through. But first I think I did mention to you about my Instagram post regarding our July reviews from some guy that was trying to extort me for $20.
Speaker 2:Yes, and because of you we are now getting right through the coals of bad reviews, so I hope you are happy with yourself.
Speaker 1:I would have just given him the $20 and seen like because what? What could have been worse? Like okay.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this who cares about bad reviews was my question. But they actually impact us pretty bad. Okay, explain that to me please.
Speaker 1:We don't. Without the reviews and the you know, searches and whatnot, like without people listening to us, we don't pop up in the I got you the you know popular, yeah, like the suggestions and stuff like that Exactly.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people especially. I know firsthand, like being a podcast listener. I definitely listen to reviews constantly, Like if somebody had, and that's what we had because of this scammer. If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, you can go back to our Instagram. I made two posts about it, one just recently and one when it was actually happening back in July. But basically some asshole wanted $20 American and I told him no and then he gave us a bunch of one star reviews that are very clearly fake. But, like, who's going to take the time to go back to July?
Speaker 2:How do you even do that?
Speaker 1:He had to get a bunch of different email addresses, but his whole business was that he wanted to give us good reviews and he wanted to give us all these listens. So he's got to have bots or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:Which I don't understand how those work.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's literally just 50 iPhones on a wall, like a wall of iPhones. Why don't you not spend money on 50 iPhones and then you can just have that money, instead of extorting me for $20?
Speaker 2:Well, they're probably old, shitty iPhones that just work on Wi-Fi and somebody's got them up and they're yeah, they're by their troll farms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:So he and you angered him.
Speaker 1:Wow. Well, here's the thing he's been bugging me for months and I was thinking to myself because it's so easy for someone to do. It's a public thing, you know what I mean? Like if somebody wants to just go and Google everything scary, it's easy to find. So I was like if I block him or if I say like fuck off please, then he's going to get pissed off. And I already had this, saw, in my head before he ever did it to me. Like I think I like made it happen.
Speaker 1:You manifested it yeah it was like my vision board. I was like get fucked. No my God, that's also on my vision board.
Speaker 2:Well, they're different. Yeah, they're different, same but different.
Speaker 1:But so then I was like. I finally said to him like you know, the messaging is getting a bit aggressive, like maybe one day I'll think about using your services, which I never would.
Speaker 2:but I was just Well, lady, you want to be popular, or you got to use my service.
Speaker 1:And he goes oh, you were fucking me, you were playing with me this whole time. I'm like oh my God.
Speaker 2:You had an affair on With this guy. It was, and you know what?
Speaker 1:It was pretty good while it lasted. And then the batteries came and I was like well, I guess it wasn't as good for him. Well, I thought there were podcast reviews.
Speaker 2:No, it was our fair. Oh yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1:No, but he. And then he threatened to like eff me doggy style, which was, like it's not very nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come on, it's make love doggy style Right.
Speaker 1:And if anything, snoop Dogg has taught us anything, that the doggy style is where you make love, and that's actually where I get most of my advice from.
Speaker 2:Snoop Dogg yes, I understand.
Speaker 1:Clearly he stopped smoking pot eh.
Speaker 2:Well, he said he was going to stop smoking, he was going smokeless, and then it turned out it was an advertisement for a backyard fireplace that goes smokeless. My brother has one, he's the coolest. Hey, billy, shout out on Cool-ass, big Bro.
Speaker 1:OK, Well then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a brilliant marketing plan.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know about the fireplace though. I just think that he doesn't smoke pot anymore. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:A loser.
Speaker 1:Square. So I said I would read a couple of the nice reviews on our podcast. So I'm going to do two an episode because I said I would. You know there are a few. What are?
Speaker 2:his reviews like.
Speaker 1:His reviews just say bad podcast, bad podcast, bad podcast. Like we're in trouble, exactly Like we feed on the floor and I did during our fair.
Speaker 2:So that's that might have something to do with it.
Speaker 1:It's my thing.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, no bad podcast. Wow, I love it.
Speaker 1:You know. So there is like a few of the bad reviews, like the one that says that I was like falling all over myself.
Speaker 2:That's a legit review, so I think that's got to say. That was definitely, that was for me.
Speaker 1:There is another one that said that like they couldn't listen because all of the information on the Golden State Killer that we were giving is information that was already out there. So like the fact that we weren't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I blame you for not actually going out there and being at visiting the scenes and digging up, release some new information. Well, he's in jail.
Speaker 1:So I think we can put that one to bed.
Speaker 2:There's no more news.
Speaker 1:No, I mean like, unless you want to know what he had for breakfast today, he was caught like that's not really. No, it was probably something with Medamucil following because he's old as fuck, but so here's some of the nice reviews that we got. Oh yeah, you don't like to listen to nice things? I don't. Maybe plug your ears, ok.
Speaker 2:I'll be good. I'll be good.
Speaker 1:OK, so this is part of a team, so we're team building right here. This is going to be good. This is from Melissa Atkinson.
Speaker 2:Hello Melissa.
Speaker 1:So she wrote not only do I look forward to the new crime stories each week, but I also love the banter. Lynn and Mack make me feel like I'm listening to a copy of my best friends just shooting the shit. She did a bunch of emoji things, but I figured out shit, shit. That's cool On a Saturday evening and I look forward to your episodes weekly. Keep up the great work. Oh my god, I love that. Do you love that, or are you going to barf? No, it's nice, but like barfing in a nice way.
Speaker 2:Yes, I like the stuff that doesn't mention me.
Speaker 1:Your name was in there, I know so. Thank you so much. Oh, that's from Melissa. The next one is from Pillowass.
Speaker 2:Pillowass. Ok, my aunt Go ahead. This is from my family Classic.
Speaker 1:Classic Pillowass. So the last name is A-S-E. So is that ass or ace?
Speaker 2:I'm going to go with ace.
Speaker 1:So Pillowache, pillowache. Ok, so welcome, mr and Mrs, welcome, ace Pillage. So they wrote. I just found this podcast, or this amazing podcast. I love the dynamic between these two awesome humans. Heyo, nice, I've told all my friends and family this is the podcast to listen to, and the funny banter between them has me literally laughing out loud. Keep up the good work. I'm currently binging all of the episodes and I'm almost caught up. Thank you for making me laugh through some really tough cases. Oh, that's super nice. God, classic Pillowass, I do like that. Yeah, so that's what I wanted to say Huge, huge, huge Thank you. And now to the horrible stuff. So this is the story of America's child Polly Klass. Do you know anything about this case?
Speaker 2:I don't believe so no.
Speaker 1:OK, so I'm going to say that I got most of my information from a book called In the Light of Darkness. It was a fantastic read, very, very detailed though. So I'm going to get started by telling you a little bit about Polly. She was born, polly Hannah Klass, in Fairfax, california, to Mark and Eve on January 3 of 1981. So a New Year's baby.
Speaker 1:The marriage between Eve and Mark didn't last long after the birth of Polly. She was almost three when they ended it, and they would both say that they were terrible at being married, but they were really good at being divorced and they were excellent at co-parenting. I was just going to say it sounds like a co-parent, yes, so Mark would talk to Polly almost every night and she would spend most weekends with him and his new girlfriend, violet. Eve would eventually get remarried to a man named Alan Nicolle, and in 1987, they would give Polly a baby sister named Annie. Unfortunately, eve and Alan would also split, and at the time that the story takes place, eve and her two daughters would move to Petaloma, california, which I don't need to tell you, but is the egg capital of the world.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank God you didn't tell me, because you didn't need to and I didn't need to hear it. Like what? Like ant, like the insect or like AUNT.
Speaker 1:Egg not ant. Egg like a lewf Lewf. Is that how you say egg in French? Lewf, lewf.
Speaker 2:Oh, like an egg, like you crack, like a front egg.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The egg capital cool, yeah, I know, Way cooler than the ant capital. You totally. Now you feel like you need to know. I really actually to tell you didn't need to know that, yes, you're correct.
Speaker 1:So at this time Petaloma had a population of 45,000 people, so not super big. Three of them would live in this modest two-bedroom home with neighbors Like it was very tight, you know what I mean Like it wasn't like a lot of land that they lived on. So they had neighbors very close by on either side and they had what was called a grandparent suite in the backyard.
Speaker 2:Do you know what that is? No, I think I know what an in-law suite is, maybe I think that's downstairs of your house, though, isn't? It yes.
Speaker 1:OK, so a grandparent suite is kind of like a bunky in the backyard. It has a room and a small kitchenette, but it doesn't have a bathroom.
Speaker 2:And then it puffed off the go-poop-poop.
Speaker 1:Depends Like a gargoyle perch on top of here, no. So Eve rented out the grandparent suite to a young man. His name was Aaron Thomas, he was 19 years old, and Aaron frequently had his girlfriend Shelly there and they used to use the bathroom, so they would have to cross the yard to Eve's home. And it was a service porch.
Speaker 1:So, a service porch basically is like an enclosed, like a screen porch. So they would come in and they would use the bathroom that was on the service porch, but then the door that led into Eve's home would lock. So they didn't have access to the home, they only had access to the porch.
Speaker 2:To the outdoor toilet.
Speaker 1:You got well, not outdoor, well, porch, yeah, kind of like your, it's a porch turdlet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a Muskoka room toilet.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that means, but like.
Speaker 2:A sunroom.
Speaker 1:If you're running through the sprinkler and you don't want to run through your house, that's the one you go to. And I assume it had a shower, because they didn't have a shower in the. It goes yourself off and it leaves. So the date is Friday, October the 1st of 1993. And Polly was just getting settled into the grade seven year at Paddleuma Junior High School. She was a straight A student and she had a tight group of friends. She was in band and she was known to be a very good clarinet player.
Speaker 2:Not like the clarinet players in my school who only knew how to play clarinet like this, oh, oh, I'm like you know what. I can't believe I'm saying this. Can we get the French horns to make a little noise here, please, and drown out these idiots.
Speaker 1:If a song came on that had a clarinet in it, I don't know that I could identify it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kenny G.
Speaker 1:Kenny G plays the clarinet. He plays the trumpet, doesn't he?
Speaker 2:No, he plays, he does not play the clarinet.
Speaker 1:He's a read guy.
Speaker 2:Are you for real? Yeah, he's saxophone clarinet. The trumpet has a read. Trumpet doesn't have a read.
Speaker 1:Sure does I think it's got a mouthpiece. I think I played the trumpet.
Speaker 2:Then I don't think he know what a read is. Maybe I don't know what a trumpet is. Did I have a spit valve? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, no reads. What are you the? Fucking? No, I don't know. The brass instrument section of this box. That is correct, I'm the woodwind expert, andy.
Speaker 1:Brass. Yeah, I think I'd phrase that a little differently though. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:Good call.
Speaker 1:So Polly was also known for being really a jokester, playing practical jokes on all of her friends. Polly and her friends were always playing tricks on one another and the previous weekend they had stayed at the home of one of her friends, gilliam Pelham, and they had stayed up really late telling scary stories and Gilliam had her brother tapping on the door and dragging his nails down it.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. They stayed up until five o'clock in the morning I went to a seance once oh my god, this guy. So it was for a birthday party. We were maybe 10.
Speaker 1:You went to a seance. Your parents were like yes, this sim's OK, so the guy, grab your.
Speaker 2:Ouija board. Matthew, yes, and we were like are you an evil spirit? And then the garage door opened, and then we're like are you going to attack us? And then the silverware started flying through the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Who was doing it? The dad, the?
Speaker 2:dad had the garage door open.
Speaker 1:Was it my dad In his sock? Because that sounds like something my dad would do.
Speaker 2:No, and we were all sitting cross-legged. So he has the garage door opener in his sock and the knives are on fishing line Knives and spoons and forks.
Speaker 1:If I was the mom, I'd be like you. Better, fucking polish those and put them back when you're done, because this is insane. I don't have time for you fucking luring up our silverware.
Speaker 2:It was the scariest night of my life.
Speaker 1:Was it really?
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure, oh boy yeah.
Speaker 1:So this weekend Polly had hoped that her mother would allow her to have her friends over, and when she asked Eve in the morning, they had made the deal that she could have a sleepover if she cleaned and vacuumed her room. Ok, and Polly was more than happy to agree to that condition. At 3 PM Eve, who was working at the time would go on break from work and she would come and pick up Annie and Polly from separate schools. She would then drive the girls home and then she would return to work. Oh my god yeah.
Speaker 2:On a break.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she'd be home later in the evening. So on the ride home, polly pleaded with her mother to allow her to have two friends sleepover, and Eve agreed but reiterated that her room had to be cleaned and vacuumed. So when Polly got home she went straight to tidying up. The vacuum cleaner was in the service porch where the tenants used the washroom, and although we cannot know for sure, it is assumed that when Polly returned the vacuum to the service porch she may have forgotten to relock the kitchen door. Oh no, a little while later Eve returned home and called Domino's Pizza to have pizza arrived for dinner. Good call, and I don't like Domino's.
Speaker 2:No, we're too. What would you do?
Speaker 1:See, it's really. It's hard to say because we have a two for one in Innisfil. Oh, that's a good, but it's stellar. It's not like other ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The sauce is sweeter. There's something different, but Domino's where we live is the sauce is very tart and it gives you really bad stomach burn, so sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm interested. I didn't want to know any of that.
Speaker 1:So shortly after pizza, their first guest, Jillian, would arrive. Their other friend, Kate McLean, which is the same spelling as your name, but she goes by McLean and I'm sorry to inform you that you might have been saying your last name wrong this whole time.
Speaker 2:I think that's the Backstreet Boy guy too oh that's Gator McLean. I think he's a McLean.
Speaker 1:Do you think I don't know my Backstreet Boy information?
Speaker 2:I do think you don't know your Backstreet Boy information. I'm not talking any shit about Hans in here. Okay, let's be very clear.
Speaker 1:Anyone who knows anything about the Backstreet Boys, please let us know that it's definitely McLean. Because it's definitely McLean.
Speaker 2:Anyone who knows a lot about the Backstreet Boys. You should be ashamed of yourself and don't ever reach out to me.
Speaker 1:I will leave that. So Kate was going to be there later, but she had gone out to dinner with her family, so she was going to get there a little bit after eight. So Eve had given the girls some change to walk about a block away to the corner store and get some ice cream. Then the two girls settled on the porch the way they described them was like bookends, like one side on one end of the floor and the other one's out on the other, and they just waited for Kate to get there. Finally, by 8.15, kate arrived and she carried her stuffed dragon just to drive home.
Speaker 2:How little these girls are.
Speaker 1:And the sleepover shenanigans were about to begin, kate's mom, alice, was the one to drop her daughter off and she would later recall that after she had dropped her off, she was backing out of Pauly's driveway and her van was kind of hanging over, like where the sidewalk is, and there was a man and he was walking at a quick pace like right towards her van, Like he did not look as if he was going to stop or like go around her van at all, so she had to quickly like scoot ahead and he just continued to walk right by. But she remembered thinking that he looked like he was going to smash right into her and she recalled that he was wearing all black and he was carrying a dark bag.
Speaker 2:I don't like that one bit.
Speaker 1:So the girls had fun dressing up and doing their makeup and at a later time Jillian and Kate would say that they had done Pauly's makeup to make her look dead. They made dark circles around her eyes and made her face very pale and Pauly looked at herself in the mirror and instantly wanted the makeup off. So she washed it all off and then they played Nintendo for a bit. At about 10 pm Eve knocked on the door and said that she would be going to bed. She had taken six year old Annie, so her little sister. They shared a room so Pauly and Annie had bunk beds. But you know she wanted the big girls to have time alone, so she said Annie would be sleeping in her bed, oh nice.
Speaker 1:But Eve did let them know that she was suffering from a migraine and to keep it down and not stay up past 11. The girls all agreed and they said they're good nights, and Eve took a sleeping pill and then laid down with her youngest child. After they were done with Nintendo, they decided to play a board game called the Perfect Match, which is like. You probably never played it, but it was all like.
Speaker 2:What a day line One boys are gonna have that with. Oh my God, I got.
Speaker 1:Chad. Oh no, well Chad sounds hot. What a dud. Yeah, I just scratched it on the Danes and Roque Taylor Hansen.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I can see that, and then with Taylor Hansen again.
Speaker 1:My friends are like we don't want to play with you anymore. You always end up with Taylor Hansen.
Speaker 2:This was Christmas last week.
Speaker 1:My mom was like we've got to stop this. You have no friends left.
Speaker 2:I'm like shut up Max. I bought it, I can do what I want with it.
Speaker 1:I talk to him too, through clenched teeth always. So they played this game and Polly was sitting on the bottom bunk and Kate and Jillian sat on the floor. When the game was about to wrap up, polly got up to go get sleeping bags, and when she opened the bedroom door that was right across from where her mother and sister were sleeping, there was a man standing in the hallway.
Speaker 2:Oh shit Of her home across from her mother's room, Like between her and her mother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had a bag in one hand and a kitchen knife from their kitchen in the other. He told the girls not to make a noise or he would slit their throats, jesus Christ. He made the girls lay on their stomach and he would tell them to remain calm and he wouldn't hurt them. He told them not to look at his face and that he was just doing this for the money. He asked who lived there and Polly said that she did, and she also told him that her mom and sister were there, but to not hurt them. Polly then told the man that she had $30 in a little pink jewelry box on the shelf, but he made no attempt to get it. Both Kate and Jillian were thinking that this might have been one of Polly's pranks. Maybe this was an uncle or something and like Halloween was coming up because this was October first, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But when the man started roughly tying their hands and feet together, you know with some sort of electric cord and then a silky strip over top of the electric cord and it was really rough they soon realized that Polly would never have let it go that far. He then told Polly to show him where the valuables were, and he put pillowcases on the heads of Jillian and Kate, and then he also gagged them. He told them to count to a thousand, and by the time they got there he would be gone and Polly would be back in her room.
Speaker 2:They were all. The mom took a sleeping pill, oh God.
Speaker 1:I know the girls, of course, were frazzled and they kept losing their spot while they were counting. I think they got to like 500. They said. Then they were just like listening. They soon heard the door downstairs close and then they listened for a while longer and they were confident that he was gone and then they worked on trying to untie themselves. Jillian was able. Everywhere I read was like Jillian was a gymnast, so she was able to sit down and put her legs through her arms and I'm like what a real girl can't put her legs Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like little tiny girls can do that kind of move easily. But Jillian was able to get herself untied, and then she untied Kate, and then they got the gags off of their themselves. God, that's crazy. And then Jillian would run through the house calling for Polly, and Eve ran to wake up Eve. And poor Eve, who was still suffering from a migraine and had taken the sleeping pill, was still in such a deep fog, like at first she thought she was kidding. She was like Kate, you woke me up. And when Kate was like no, this is serious, like we don't think Polly's in the house anymore than Eve called 911. But even on the 911 call you can still hear that she's like they're saying that somebody came into the house and like the 911 callers, like let me speak to one of the girls because, like Eve's so disoriented.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Officer Danny Fish was one of the first officers on the scene. He then met Detective Sergeant Vale Bellow and they followed in together and then they knocked on the front door. Eve answered in tears and she just said Polly's gone. Geez, by midnight FBI was on the scene, which, thank God for the FBI. An FBI agent named Eddie Fryer called Polly's dad, mark, who was living in Windsor, california, and Mark was hysterical. He couldn't believe that this had happened. He had just talked to Polly a few hours earlier. He said that she was so excited about her sleepover party and the last thing he said to his daughter was that he loved her. Most of the time in these types of cases, it's a non custodial parent that does these things.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Mark was being as helpful as possible and he was also like pretty far away. So something that went against standard procedure was that, while they taped off the house and tried lifting evidence, they allowed Eve and Annie to stay in the living room. They were concerned about a ransom call coming in, because it's not cell phones right. How crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do have to stay by the phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if they weren't able to be there for that call then maybe it could lead to even bigger problems. They put out an APB, which is an all points bulletin for this man based on the descriptions from Kate and Jillian. They had said that he was dressed in all black and he had a black duffel bag, a full salt and pepper beard. Actually, it's starting to sound a little bit like do you have a black duffel bag? You can hold on to it, but they said that he didn't look scary. So they said that when he had tied their hands too tight and it hurt, he had even apologized and loosened the ties.
Speaker 1:So, they were like he's not going to hurt her. That's kind of how they felt. Unfortunately, when they put out the all points bulletin, they had released it as an NFPR, which is not for press release. So what that would mean is that it would only be available to the very local county. So it was Petaluma only. There's like Sonoma County, that's 20 minutes away and stuff. They didn't want it to air on a bigger scanner so that the media can hear it.
Speaker 2:Why Just to spook him? Maybe Just because they?
Speaker 1:didn't want the media showing up on her front lawn and, like you know, clouding up the investigation, but really all it did was hinder everyone else from knowing that it was happening.
Speaker 2:So like just a few points bulletin, not an all points, a couple of points.
Speaker 1:Maybe you should have done the all points.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sonoma County, which is only about half an hour away, and on this night, which is October 1st, a 19 year old named Shannon Lynch had just finished up babysitting a 12 year old named Kalila Jaffee. Kalila's mom, dana, worked at an upscale restaurant and had gotten home at about 1045. She and Shannon had chatted a bit and then Dana proceeded to pay Shannon and walked to the door. Dana's property sat on 192 acres and it was off a private road. Nice, yes, so that was why, when Shannon was leaving Dana's house that night and she saw a man standing on the side of the road next to a white Ford Pinto, also nice.
Speaker 2:He instantly knew that he was out of place Now, apparently.
Speaker 1:Apparently, shannon was not one to mince words, because this 19 year old had no fucks to give. And when she saw the man she rolled down her window no more than an inch and she said to him what the fuck are you doing here? She then proceeded to ask if he was unable to read. She actually said are you illiterate? And because he had clearly missed the multiple private property signs along the drive, the man stuck his grimy fingers in like the small little.
Speaker 1:Yeah and he was trying to like get right down so that he could talk to her push the window down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he asked her to get out and help him get his car out. Oh my god. Shannon said that she could smell the man through the open crack and she noticed that he had leaves and sticks in his messy hair. He asked her who was up the road and she responded by saying up the road is people who will call the cops. She then hit the gas and as quickly as she could, sped up, but Shannon knew that there was something more nefarious that was going on here, and she wanted to get to a payphone as soon as she could.
Speaker 1:Just to you know, this is a young mother and a young girl alone, yeah. So she wanted to let Dana know what was going on and at 1124, after the payphone had eaten her only quarter, shannon had to explain to the operator why this call was important. With the information that Shannon had told her, dana thought it was best that her and her daughter get off the property. It was far too secluded. Should something happen? Yeah, no shit. So she wasted no time and she said that her and Khalila were out of the house in less than a minute. Wow. As they drove down the road, she saw the stuck car, but the man was nowhere in sight. At 1208 am, she got to a payphone and arranged to have officers meet her at an intersection and go back to the property with her, because it was so secluded. There was like they can't even meet it, like a round robin or something like that. Do I even know what a round robin is?
Speaker 2:Robin is like a sports term. Do you mean a roundabout? I don't know what I mean. A round robin is when you play all the teams once in your group stage.
Speaker 1:Are you sure it's not a coffee?
Speaker 2:shop. No, it is also a coffee shop.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I mean, Matt, not the sports thing.
Speaker 2:Well, like the back in the day.
Speaker 1:Well, this is back in the day 1987.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know what Reference is what you mean to say yes, and I would like to publicly apologize to you because you know what. You fucking nailed it. Listen, your research, the shit out of this thing. You nailed it. I try to take a big dump on you and I got caught. I apologize.
Speaker 1:Appreciate that. I really do. So. They met her at an intersection not around Robin, which was great back in the day.
Speaker 2:The coffee.
Speaker 1:And the time. So they, you know, escorted her back to a property. Deputy Thomas Howard and Michael Ranken met Dana and accompanied her to her house. When they arrived the man was back and he was leaning against the white Ford Pinto smoking a cigarette as Dana drove past him and she told him that the officers were there to help him get unstuck so that he could immediately vacate the premises. And the officer spoke with him and noticed that the shirt that he was wearing was inside out. He also seemed very agitated. He told them that he was sightseeing when he got stuck. Keep in mind that he was sightseeing on an unlit, dirt road at midnight Seems a little fishy. I don't like all the light pollution of the city. Oh, I'm sightseeing, not light seeing. So when the officers called in the man's license plate, they actually called it in and read it wrong. The first letter was a seven and they actually called it in as a two, so nothing came up.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, so that was an issue. You idiots.
Speaker 1:The officers patted the man down and noticed from the waist down he was soaking wet, which Was he drinking? So in his passenger seat he had four unopened cans of Budweiser. As they were talking to him, he cracked one of the cans open and started drinking it.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the. Yeah, okay, that's the. You get a drink problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he talked to the coffee, crack and beer, and yeah, but the problem was he was on private property so they couldn't do anything about the beer except for telling me to get rid of it. So he threw it into Dana's woods and they told him that that was littering and to retrieve it. So he had to take his wet pants and walk into the woods and go and get his empty can well get his half empty.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:They then made him pour it out on the side of the road and put it back in his car. They were able to obtain some chains from Dana and help get the pinto unstuck like just leave, oh Shoot it again.
Speaker 1:So Dana would later notice that she had left a $20 bill for Shannon to take Khalila to the movies If she had wanted to. But the girls had not gone to the movies and the $20 was gone. Dana suspected at the time that they had left to go and get the officers, that the man had gone into her home and taken the $20 Jesus she has had. She had had Shannon as a babysitter many times or more and nothing like that ever happened.
Speaker 1:So it's a little weird that the one time that this weirdo is on her property, the $20 goes missing. So now we're gonna go back to Polly's house. This man that I'm gonna tell you about is a hero in my eyes. Okay, his name is Tony Maxwell. He is a forensic technician for the FBI, and he's part of the San Francisco FBI evidence response team. Nice hell of a business card at the time, this was a new, a new section of the FBI a fringe science.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I listen to a bunch of in-depth things on what he did, mm-hmm, I'm gonna try to dump it down for you, because I needed it done. I appreciate I listen to it about four or five times that. I'm like uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Got it and he walked in there and he dusted for fingerprints. That's what you needed to tell you.
Speaker 1:So what I'm gonna tell you is what he did. So at the time, the FBI. We're the only one who were able to use this very new technology. It's called the ALS, so it stands for alternate light source. Now it's just called a forensic light. Like I said, it was new and at the time it cost $8,000 to own one, whoa, which in today's money would be over $21,000. Jesus, but Tony Maxwell, this hero, was able to borrow one from the company that made. It was like omni something or other, mm-hmm, and I'm positive it's been improved over the years. I would assume. Yeah, but at the time the unit was about 14 pounds.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:One thing I found funny was that Tony's wife ran a daycare and he was able to teach himself how to use this technology by testing it on his own living room, where all these like little gross kids were touching everything and there was like all their different body fluids everywhere.
Speaker 1:So he was able to figure out like, oh, that's poop for sure. But so what this thing was? It's a three-part thing. So it's a powder, a light and goggles. So what they did in Polly's bedroom oh, but it's a different combination of things, like you don't know what's gonna Provoke the response that they need. Okay, so what he did was on the very bottom of her bunk, where you know, a suspect likely would not have touched anything. He pressed his finger against the wood because so the wood on her bunk bed is gonna be a different result than the drywall, or then the carpet or anything like that. So he has to test them all separately. So At the very bottom, he put his finger over it, and then he would. He tried the blue powder first and he would shine a blue light on it and he would put on the orange goggles, and that didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:So then he tried the red powder on it Really rudimentary in like super high tech.
Speaker 1:Right, and so they're the only ones that. So Wow. So he put the red and they called it the red powder. They called it. It was like something about the shining, it was like red rum or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, red rum sounds a bit right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they called it like it was red backwards whatever. So they called it that. He used the red powder with the orange glasses and the blue light and the print lit up like the 4th of July. So he went along and he like, meticulously, he took a literal feather, an ostrich feather, and he dusted the entire bed with this red powder and then he shined it with a blue light and he had the orange goggles and a right shoulder length where an adult would be. There's a perfect half palm print. Wow, and this was so. He did a bunch of other stuff before he got this, like he didn't just walk in and was like bingo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So he also noted, because the normal police officers, the Petaluma police officers, they had dusted too and they'd lifted a bunch of prints. But with his new technology he was able to pick up 48 prints that they hadn't noticed. Wow, right. So and then he got this palm print and when he had to record it in, like their book, right beside the palm print, so he took a picture of it. So just in case he screwed it up somehow.
Speaker 2:It's much better than whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He had the photo and then he lifted it and then in their records book, right beside it, in capital letters, he wrote bingo.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that is fucking.
Speaker 1:I love him, I'm just kidding, but I do love him. So this is another reason why. So the local police department, like I said, had dusted. They missed 48 prints. It wasn't their fault, they just had the standards set.
Speaker 2:It's not acknowledged right.
Speaker 1:I also wanted to mention that during this time in Pauly's room, annie, whose Pauly's six-year-old little sister had been there and she wanted to help find her sister.
Speaker 1:She was devastated and, even though it was completely against protocol, tony Maxwell said that he could not just not let a little girl help look for her sister, so he handed her the print tape and asked and every time he needed to lift a print, he would ask her for a piece of tape until she got tired of doing it, and then she was like, okay, I'm out of here, but he let her do it as long as she was willing to do it. That's very cool, right? That's awesome. I know I love him. I even looked him up. I'm like looking at his little pictures Like a creepy weirdo.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, maybe he's on the hinge.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's on Tinder. Oh yeah, I'm on Tinder, I'm not. I don't know why I said that. So everything that they found they would bag as evidence and the stuff that the kidnapper had used was stuff that he found in Pauly's room, like it was a prime of opportunity, yeah. They had cut the Nintendo courts from her. I'm assuming NES right 1987?.
Speaker 2:Don't let your kids listen to this episode.
Speaker 1:Well, they don't have courts anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank God, it does have bullets.
Speaker 1:But also I don't listen to them. I don't let my kids listen to any episode.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good, you guys listen. You know the one about all the murder mayhem, that's fine, but this one's got some Nintendo content.
Speaker 1:You guys are. Ooh, Mario, oh, don't let Jake listen to it. You two, Max, get in here.
Speaker 2:I need to listen to this. Max, you're gonna love this hilarious.
Speaker 1:So he had torn pillowcases, he had knotted leggings, he sliced the straps off of a purse that she had. The only thing that he had seemingly brought with him were silk straps that appeared to have been cut from a woman's nightgown. So like ominous in itself, what is a silk strap?
Speaker 2:Oh, like from a strap gown, not in the straps?
Speaker 1:No like, just like a full nightgown that he had cut into straps.
Speaker 2:But like long strips.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like to tie up hands and feet. Oh, okay, yes, of course.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have to start thinking like a criminal. I think that's your problem. I've always said that about you. Why would you bring all the silks? Yeah, like what's with all the so.
Speaker 1:Multiple people actually in the area had noted a strange man in the neighborhood and all of them said that he was carrying a black bag. Seems to be our guy, right, mm-hmm, remember, kay, it's mom had seen him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but she was back near the driveway.
Speaker 1:Right towards his car. A 15-year-old girl named Kanika had seen the man. They determined it was about 10 minutes before he broke into Polly's home. A girl and her uncle had seen him when he was dropping her off after seeing a movie, and the man had made the girl so uncomfortable that she asked her uncle to wait with her until he was gone.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny you haven't encountered like that. You just write it off as just whatever some random creep pull yeah, but then you're like shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you just said something, but then what do you?
Speaker 1:say what do you say? This guy just gave me the creeps, yeah, and then anything at that point really, and you're just a Karen, almost, yeah. So the tenant in the back of Polly's home, aaron, and he always had his girlfriend Shelley over, and they also had a friend named Sean Bush. These three friends, ok, is it the Bush thing that? Well, it's not Sean.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that much. I don't snicker when I hear the name Sean. Oh my god, you're a grown up. You're laughing too.
Speaker 1:What if people just didn't have silly last names? What would we have then? I know Nothing. So the three friends were watching a movie. They had just finished watching Children of the Corn 2.
Speaker 2:I told you I researched the shit out of this stuff for you.
Speaker 1:Sean had gone over to Eve's service porch to use the washroom. He said at that time that the porch light was on and when he returned they were going to pop in the next movie, which was the Color Purple, which I've never heard of.
Speaker 2:OK, super opposite ends of the spectrum. As far as movies go, it's an Oprah vehicle.
Speaker 1:Oh, is it like you sit with your guy friend and his girlfriend and watch it, because that seems kind of strange.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's like a civil war period piece, I think. And there's something about the Color Purple, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a lovely color Was Polly's favorite color actually?
Speaker 2:Oh, I know, it was Oprah Got it, your girl, my girl. So who's lost a ton of weight? And then she's like I don't think we should be shaming people that are using dietary. And I'm like, oh Zampic, you're on, oh Zampic.
Speaker 1:Just say it. It's almost uncomfortable how often we talk about a Zampic on this podcast.
Speaker 2:Do we? I love it.
Speaker 1:It's hilarious we should start a new OZampic podcast.
Speaker 2:We'll just try it.
Speaker 1:And then what happens? We'll just be bubble heads. Because that's what I've noticed about the Hemswifes that try it.
Speaker 2:Their heads look remarkably large yes, head fat is the hardest fat to lose. I've always said that A lot of people how do you work your head out?
Speaker 1:No one knows.
Speaker 2:Nobody knows.
Speaker 1:Sean said that he was standing in the doorway after he had gone to the bathroom and he was having a cigarette. And he said he watched a man walk into the backyard of the property. But the man looked as if he knew where he was going and didn't seem to be lurking. So Sean also noted that when he had arrived, like the dog that it was a neighbor's dog. It was a needs dog, but it would bark whenever it heard Sean come up. But the dog didn't bark when it saw the man. So naturally Sean just assumed that maybe the dog was familiar with this guy. This guy looked like he knew where he was going, so it's probably like a friend of the family's. But later on, in the light of what had happened inside the main house, sean had given a signed statement to the police regarding what he had seen. Of course he also went up being number 18 on their list of suspects, but that was obviously something that would be expected, I think.
Speaker 2:The dog thing I find very curious. I don't trust people as far as I could throw the biggest person but a dog to not feel.
Speaker 1:But who knows right, Like a lot of people saw him in that neighborhood, I kind of thought when I read that maybe he was giving the dog treats.
Speaker 2:That's what I was thinking at first, and then I'm like well, but if he's opportunistic, if he didn't bring any tools to kidnap or kill or whatever.
Speaker 1:So I mean he had the silk strips right, so like he did have something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe that bag. He's like got some treats just in case.
Speaker 1:I don't know my dog would bark at anything, though she barks at me.
Speaker 2:So do I.
Speaker 1:Which is just. I've asked you to stop doing that, please.
Speaker 2:I know, I'll just try.
Speaker 1:So Caitlin and Jillian, which were Polly's friends, were taken to the police department to give separate statements. The girls had more or less given the same consistent statements. They had said that the kidnapper was about six foot tall, about 235 pounds, a full salt and pepper beard, and he was wearing dark clothes, carrying a dark duffel bag. They did have minor inconsistencies, though. Kate had said that he had been wearing an orange headband and Jillian didn't think that there was one. Kate had heard the front door slam when he had left, but Jillian didn't recall hearing it slam. The cops were actually very suspicious of the girls and they were Really.
Speaker 2:I would just kind of chalk that up as number one. Fucking trauma, if just seen the worst fucking thing imaginable.
Speaker 1:But I mean now in light of the slender man killing, where it was two 12-year-old girls that stabbed their other family.
Speaker 2:It's hard to put yourself where a kid could do something like this, but there have been a lot of cases that Even here, where we live in Toronto, there was the swarm killings and they were young girls that swarmed a guy and stabbed them.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, right, and that's so. The cops were very suspicious and they were interrogating the girls very harshly. The girls were very upset and they were trying their best to give all the information that they had. Their parents hadn't even been informed of what had happened.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say where are the folks like that? They had no clue.
Speaker 1:This is the 80s, still right, so like wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the girls were probably smoking darts is what you're saying Probably. Yeah, we're cool, this is all right, coke no no, no, not at all, but it was hard.
Speaker 1:They had been facedown most of the time and it all happened so quickly. The officers decided that they would put Kate and Jillian into a bugged interrogation room and they would leave them alone and they would listen and try to hear them talk privately. But their stories hadn't strayed when they were alone. What the fuck? Yeah, well, I think Jillian had mentioned that at first they thought that Polly was playing a prank and I think that kind of made the officers think a little bit like oh, maybe this is just a bigger prank with all of them involved, right?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 1:When they went into the room alone, kate said to Jillian I'm going to be so glad when she's back at home. And Kate responded she's not going to die. At least I hope not At this time. It was early morning on October 2nd and the girl's parents still didn't know what had taken place, never mind that their traumatized daughters had just been interrogated. Yeah, polly's father and his girlfriend Violet had left their office. This is so bad, matt.
Speaker 1:So Polly's father and his girlfriend Violet had left their home and started to drive out to Petaluma as soon as they got in the news of what had happened and Violet's brother, hank, was staying at the home. In case, the phone rang with any information While they were on the road and it did ring. Hank answered the phone and on the other end it was a young girl's voice and she said is Mark there? And Hank said he was not but asked who was calling and the girl responded it's Polly. And Hank was thrilled. He said Polly, where are you? And she responded she told him that she was in the daily in and then she asked who he was and asked where her dad was. He informed her that Mark had to go aid in the search for her and she said tell my father I'm fine, he hasn't hurt me, he's coming back. And Hank responded be cool, stay there, stay, calm will be there.
Speaker 1:As it turns out, though, there was no ins in Daily City. Police would check every single in in the surrounding area, but no Polly. But the cops now had bugged Mark's phone in case another phone call did come in that they would be able to trace. And in the following week, another phone call did come in from the same young girl, and they were able to trace it, and, as it would turn out, this was just the sick joke of a 13 year old girl who thought it would be funny.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:To basically torture this poor family.
Speaker 2:We like both calls Well I'm. They say that's fucked up right. And like people will say like, people say like kids. I don't think I was a shitty kid.
Speaker 1:I don't think I would have called a fucking Devastated family and pretended to be their missing daughter.
Speaker 2:No, I think, even if you don't fully grasp what's right and wrong, I think, impersonating a kidnapped victim, I think, is that any age, I know it's not the right thing.
Speaker 1:It'd be interesting to find out what she's doing now. So, as if that isn't enough grossness, on October 3rd and 4th, a 20 year old named James Arthur Herd Jr posed as the kidnapper, looking for a ransom of $10,000. He had told him to bring it to a certain drop spot, but again, he was just looking to extort this poor family during the worst moments of their lives.
Speaker 2:Wow, usually it's just psychics that victimize. Families have lost once.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like what's her face.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'd hear the thing.
Speaker 1:She said that Elizabeth smart was dead.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:And Elizabeth smart was not dead.
Speaker 2:She also said some ladies husband, just like he's in water, he's in water. They haven't been able to find him. It's because he's in water, dear. She's like, oh okay, cuz he died in 9-11. He was in one of the towers. But either one is good. Oh, my god, I know. And fuck Montell Williams, by the way for giving her such a platform. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:So Paulie's case would eventually be featured on an episode of America's most wanted. Did you know America's most wanted Averaged about one arrest per episode. No, yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 2:Right, Pierce Brosnan's wife was on that show really yeah, Kelly.
Speaker 1:I don't know her name, but she worked for some victim Advocacy group and she would always be answering the phones and you want to hear a quick sidebar that I didn't include in this because I didn't think 100% so one of the people that was working on the case, she was like a 20 year old, like a young, and she was like finding young kids that had been kidnapped and then her husband went on to later kill her own child. Oh fuck. Get included, but then I thought it deterred too much from the actual case that we're looking at yeah, good instincts. Well, but I just said it right now.
Speaker 2:Trust your instincts.
Speaker 1:Maybe go with your original thought, woof. So there was a $200,000 reward for anyone who could lead to finding Paulie. But now we're gonna jump ahead to November 27th of 1993.
Speaker 2:So we're about two months.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it had been nearly two months Since Paulie had been taken out of her home during a fun sleepover party. Jaina Jaffrey's, so Dana, the one that owns the 192 acre property who was the woman who owned the property I get ahead of myself, too when the man in the white pinto had gotten his car stuck. Dana was walking into the wooded area of her property. She had hired some arborists to thin out some of her wooded area and she had suspected that they had cut down some of her living trees. So she walked a ways out to see how much damage had been done. She was also walking with a friend at the time, and as they were walking, dana picked up an empty oil can that the workers had left behind.
Speaker 1:It was starting to get dark and up ahead the color red had caught her eye. As they got closer, she noticed that it was a child's red tights that were tied in a knot. These appeared to be a belong to a small child, maybe five or six years old, the age of only sister. There was also an adult black sweatshirt that was inside out, a Condom wrapper and some lace strips that appeared to have been cut from a woman's nightgown.
Speaker 1:But just in inner woods just Scrum about yeah they were in like a three-foot radius, but basically just out and no one's not in a bag or anything Just kind of like the canopy of the trees had kind of shielded them from like the elements right. Dana's friend picked up the sweatshirt and turned it right way in, but Dana had a bad feeling about all of it and she told her friend not to touch anything else.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And she left the oil can with all of the other stuff and use the like the oil can that she had found. She put it on like where everything was, because that way you could see it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I guess I'm hard to find her way back and then she called the police, like you could pick the oil can with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right, just for their chance, I'm staying on. No, she's smarter than that. But she called the non-emergency number and by 9 33 am, officer Mike McManus Was on his way to the property. Dana, you look like you wanted to laugh about last I did. I think it might have been.
Speaker 2:Rick Manus. Okay, you wanted to laugh at that last name.
Speaker 1:You're like you were literally sitting like a little girl with like your hands in your lap. Well, I didn't want to jump in and be like.
Speaker 2:I think it's jump in. I miss pronounce names all the time.
Speaker 1:People would probably like their names to be pronounced properly Make man is. So he was on his way to the property. Dana quickly showed him what she had found. She also described what had happened when the man had gotten his white pinto stuck, and she wondered if these two things were connected. Dana had to rush off to work, but she told the officer that he had free range of the property. He's like yeah, I know, I'm a cop.
Speaker 2:I'm investigating. Yeah, thanks for the permission. Didn't need it, didn't want it. So, unfortunately, this is where we're gonna stop for today.
Speaker 1:Oh you bet. How dare you if you are on the?
Speaker 2:patreon, you'll likely have both parts by now.
Speaker 1:But if not, no worries, it'll all be in your feed next Tuesday morning, fine.
Speaker 2:Fine, okay, bye, bye.