In our final episode, we will go through some of the crazy ish that i had never heard before? Did you know that Gypsy had attempted to shoot DeeDee before June 10th? Had you heard that DeeDee put a VooDoo spell on Gypsy, so that she never finds love? These are things that we will talk about in todays ep! And thats IT!, We wish Gypsy Rose all the best, but we're DONE discussing it! ;)
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In our final episode, we will go through some of the crazy ish that i had never heard before? Did you know that Gypsy had attempted to shoot DeeDee before June 10th? Had you heard that DeeDee put a VooDoo spell on Gypsy, so that she never finds love? These are things that we will talk about in todays ep! And thats IT!, We wish Gypsy Rose all the best, but we're DONE discussing it! ;)
If you’re interested in receiving bonus episodes, early release dates, an everything scary sticker and ‘thank you’ as well as a shout out on our regular feed! Please join at Patreon//everythingscarypod571
Welcome to Everything Scary. My name is Lynn and I'm here with my co-host local celebrity, sorry, sorry, international celebrity. Thank you, matt McClain. Hello, hello. Every Tuesday we release a new episode, mostly true crime, but we've also been known to cover a pandemic, a haunting, a super mad, super strong chimpanzee. We'll cover anything and everything scary. Please rate us five stars and join us on Instagram at Everything Scary Pod. Here we go so.
Speaker 2:I was clearing my throat and had a little burpsky. My apologies.
Speaker 1:It was not little.
Speaker 2:I know it was very big, so I was drinking Dr Pepper Zero You're welcome.
Speaker 1:Thank you, by the way. And candy, jolly Rancher candy, it's like you're kidding it.
Speaker 2:It's horrific. Oh, I love it. Mom and dad are gone. This is like the coolest.
Speaker 1:And we're going to talk about the case that no one wanted me to talk about, part three Gypsy Rose. Yeah, Like I was thinking the other day, I was like huh, because I was already about 90% done on my research when, I decided to take a poll and then everybody was like please don't give us any Gypsy Rose stuff because we've heard enough about it. And I was like, hey, do you want?
Speaker 2:three episodes. Is that what that means? I love it.
Speaker 1:So, like I accidentally released, like our Patreon, just discussion, everybody was so confused, by the way, oh, really, yeah, On the actual feed, on the actual feed, and I didn't even Chris is like hey, you maybe think you should check that, and I was like we're good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't worry, chris, what do you know?
Speaker 1:And then I was going to write up part two.
Speaker 2:The editor listens to everything.
Speaker 1:And then I was going to do a part two and I was like sitting there, I was like I'll throw it on so that I can kind of get the gist of where I left off. And then I was like, huh, well, this doesn't feel recent.
Speaker 2:Not all facts on this one, I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody was like no, please don't. 75% of people actually. And our Patreon Facebook group said you know what? We've heard enough. And I was like no, you haven't.
Speaker 2:You know, I just love that. You know a lot of podcasts will ask the listeners what they want and give it to them.
Speaker 1:But you know what?
Speaker 2:I say fuck you and you agree Fuck you, listener Fuck you for listening.
Speaker 1:Do you know what you don't want? One episode, I'll give you fucking three. How does that sound?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's right, there's a two-part. That are bullshit talk Next week.
Speaker 1:It's just going to be us like, say, remember when we dropped those three episodes that nobody wants to listen to.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I love it.
Speaker 1:But actually you know what I'm going to say this and like not to toot my own horn, because I clearly got this information from somewhere and most of that information came from the prison. Confessions of Gypsy Rose have you seen that one?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:You just you let everything you're like the act. That's all there was. I think the act is it for me, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the act, maybe a little bit of the news. That's about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just the de-inspire. And then you were like, okay, I know all I need to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah that. I mean we're happy for her right that she's in this relationship. Yeah Okay, yeah Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's hop into it, okay.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 1:I will tell you that I did part one and then, instead of starting an entirely new Word document, I just added on to part one with part two, and now I'm scrolling looking for set parts.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, well off. Or before we started the pod, we were talking about your obsession with the housewives and how they're all on Osembic.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I think, like you look at every like any award show, everybody is on Osembic.
Speaker 1:It's just like what I feel like. It's just bobbleheads.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The housewives are just. They're all lip sn eyelashes on top of a neck bone.
Speaker 2:What is that? Is it head fats, the hardest fat, or is it the neck? It's so skinny.
Speaker 1:Do you think it's natural fat that's in their face, or do you mean?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, you can't lose plastic.
Speaker 1:I mean you can, but it's like an injection to make you lose it.
Speaker 2:I did Osembic for a month and here's the thing Okay, it gives you me two side effects. Okay, so you know you're not like constipation and diarrhea. So you really are each end of the poop spectrum. But like it's not like, it's not like okay, like, like you know, like Katrina, like her, like the levy broke and then all hell Like, so it's not like that, it's not like a constipation football and then diarrhea is behind it. It's either or, but like you never know.
Speaker 1:How long does each spell last for Like constipation? You have to, but that's got to be like what, at least like five or six days before you can consider to be constipation.
Speaker 2:Okay, sorry, I misspoke. Okay, not legit constipate. I'm talking like a four dayer. I don't think I went five and, like you're a oh no in your C section. Never mind, you don't know what this was like. No, you don't know what. What having a big birthing, a big poop, is like. It sounds lovely that I wish I could have had it C sectioned enemy.
Speaker 1:I will say no wonder. Oh my God, it's beautiful. Your mom's in there just crying.
Speaker 2:I can't left anything for the next four weeks.
Speaker 1:It's disgusting. I don't even know how we got here.
Speaker 2:Like and that's all. Like you? Look at Oprah I just she goes on all these hikes with.
Speaker 1:Gail.
Speaker 2:And it's like a hundred a thousand percent Oprah is like a naturalist, Like I just don't think. No, oprah is vain at the core. A thousand percent. I think that allegedly yeah.
Speaker 1:You can allegedly say something or you can think something you don't. You don't have to allegedly think something.
Speaker 2:I'm just really allegedly trying to cover what I think is my ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if Oprah is after us. I okay, she's like. I'm taking them down. I'll float it. I'll float a conspiracy.
Speaker 2:I think Oprah's got a little money involved with Ozenpi and all these injections and stuff.
Speaker 1:I love your theories, thank you. It was like when you told me that there was more serial killers now than ever before. I'm like who's dying? You're like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, but what don't you think? No, I don't.
Speaker 1:No, that's why I think it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Okay, one more question about Oprah. Do you think she's just constantly shitting her pants because she's on Ozenpi so much?
Speaker 1:Do you know what? I would rather think of Oprah as kind of like, like the way I think of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2:They don't do bathroom stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I gotcha, they just kind of have this angelic. I don't like it when people call Taylor mother, because that's fucking weird.
Speaker 2:Really, why is it? I like it, you like it. Yeah, I think it's like.
Speaker 1:It makes her sound like she's like a thousand and she should be sitting on a log singing to a bunch of little weird hippie children. That's what I think of.
Speaker 2:I like the log visual. I think it's more like as mother I think of mother. You are teaching us all.
Speaker 1:No, I think of her like mother God from fucking.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, yes From that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is that? Something has won. That is the best See no, I don't like it, because that's what I tell. Her is an angel. She's a little earth angel and she should be treated as such.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, if anybody can do a cult up, it's going to be Tay.
Speaker 1:Fuck, I'm in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sign me up. Where do I get my tattoo on my face? I'll fucking do it.
Speaker 1:My kids all in too. She's like, okay, mom, I have. She's like she's reading books. It's a Taylor Swift book and she's like um, taylor said they said that like when she gets fan mail, she reads every single letter and she hand writes it back and like there'll be like a water paint Sometimes she'll include like a one of her paintings. I said, I think, ever since the year is to her, though, olivia, like I think she's getting. She's like, yeah, she's. They said she'd get thousands of letters. I'm like I think she's getting more than thousands of letters at this point. Yeah, and she comes in my room and she's made a bracelet. She's like this is going to catch her eye. I'm like you're totally the only one doing that. You nailed it. And then she was like I was like okay, so like let's send this, and she goes. I'm going to tape the bracelet to the outside of the envelope. I'm like that's your fucking. These ideas are fire.
Speaker 2:Amazing, that is she better be careful, because that landed her Travis Kelsey, so she might, that might be the thing.
Speaker 1:Did you see her little frigging bracelet, though that he bought her, the diamond bracelet, and it says TNT on it. No, do you know what TNT stands for?
Speaker 2:Turner Network Television.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Is it because of the aired so much wrestling in the?
Speaker 1:90s, everybody loves wrestling. Is that why they love it, did you?
Speaker 2:see him with the wrestling belt on.
Speaker 1:At the nightclub.
Speaker 2:She, her. Can I talk about Mother's Butt for a second? Her rear end rubbed up against a WWE title belt at the after party for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Are you jealous of the bells or?
Speaker 2:her butt. Okay, listen, phenomenal question Like 60, 40 her butt, 60. But 40 the belt, like I'm jealous that she got to touch.
Speaker 1:You want to put your ass on the belt before. You want to put your ass on her ass.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, there's more that we need to unpack here that we just simply don't have time for.
Speaker 2:So let's get it to something that's going to make me sound a little more normal. Munch hounds in by proxy. Keep the belt away from Matt's ass, because he's going to be rubbing up on it like a cat. Can I ask you one thing?
Speaker 1:Can I get to borrow money again because I want to say no, yes.
Speaker 2:Would you, if I gave you this little piece of paper, would you put your gum into it?
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Would you, oh, please don't oh my.
Speaker 1:God, I'm dying. You're not going to clone me with this, are you?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 1:Are you going to put your butt on my gun? Okay, all the people that fucking hate listening to us talk for any more than 14 seconds are tuning out right about now. Oh my God, she's chewing gum and he's just rubbing his ass on everything this is the fucking worst podcast we've ever heard.
Speaker 2:I'm already lost. Does he want to be on Taylor's ass or the wrestling zone? I'm not even sure what he's into, what does?
Speaker 1:he want to do Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gypsy, gypsy Number two.
Speaker 1:Episode three Fuck, when you guys say you don't want something, I fucking go hard. We say F you. So when we left off, gypsy and Dee Dee had escaped danger during Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Habitat for Humanity had fixed up a cute little home in Springfield, missouri.
Speaker 2:Missouri.
Speaker 1:Don't they have cute accents in Missouri?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like it, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:Like Kitty from.
Speaker 2:Cause there's like Missouri and then if you're really down there at Missouri, Is it Don Chano? No, I think that's Minnesota, like Wisconsin, like Midwest, like oh yeah, or Bobby Don Chano oh.
Speaker 1:Don Chano.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know they had made everything but the house Taylor to Gypsy and her wheelchair. By this point, Gypsy's father, Rod, had remarried a woman that he had gone to high school with. Her name was Christie, and before they had moved in together or sorry, yeah, before Christie and Rod had moved in together, Dee, Dee actually worked with Christie. Are they still together?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was in one of those photos. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Christie would say that Dee Dee was very sweet and friendly towards her until she found out that Christie was with her ex husband and then she became very cold and unfriendly which I mean it's not super I mean, yeah, I'm pretty shallow and immature.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1:You give Taylor swift attitude. She had to put her ass on a belt, oh, oh, where's your belt?
Speaker 2:Oh mother, oh mother.
Speaker 1:So a few months after the hurricane, dee Dee and Gypsy would relocate and you know, dee Dee didn't think to call Gypsy's father, because why would you? You know.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like you know, because the law probably, or maybe just the decent thing that it would be letting her father know where she is.
Speaker 1:I mean she doesn't really confine herself with like decent things, Like she's not like a prisoner to the decent things. She's not like I'm not just, I'm not out here to please.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to interrupt further activities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Like all this stuff that I'm about to tell you about that, you begged me not to, oh God. So you know they had moved 11 hours away and they planned on staying there. So Rod said that he missed Gypsy very dearly, but he thought Dee. Dee took excellent care of her. You know she was a nurse's aide and she was a great mother especially considering all these ailments that this poor little girl had.
Speaker 2:And everybody was just like, oh, she's so attentive.
Speaker 1:She just loves her and she just is the best mom ever.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine Like, I wonder, I would love to know, like, because I saw like a news report right of them and like oh, I love this house and it's great to have my own. And like I would love to know what those? Like those. Yes, oh, my God, I can't even look at you. You look like a doll that's come to life, it's hot right. Like you think those reporters and stuff are like they do feel bad now, like they regret that Obviously they would have to if they're like look at this beautiful.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't think that the reporters are where we should point the finger. No, I don't, I'm not blaming, no, I don't. Hey, you guys maybe had a little bit of I'm not blaming. You had a little more information than the reporters.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, are they? Do they feel dumb? You think I'm like duped? I guess everybody would feel duped.
Speaker 1:I mean her father. Yeah, would you know. He thought that DD was just doing the damn thing. But you know, in part one I also told you about some of Gypsy's illnesses and surgeries. According to her mother, dd Gypsy had and hold on for all this. She had sleep apnea, she had epilepsy, the anti-seizure medication caused her teeth to rot and all but 16 teeth had to be extracted.
Speaker 2:Oh God, that's the worst thing in the movie Right. It just hurts my heart so much when the mother like you've won. Is it even that hard? You did one thing Just protect your kids.
Speaker 1:That's it, that's really it.
Speaker 2:That's it, maybe feed them.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, that's a lot. Do you know how many meals they're supposed to?
Speaker 2:eat every day. I don't know, it's crazy, is it one? It's more.
Speaker 1:Less. I mean it really depends. It depends on how busy you are, because if you're looking at like true crime stuff, how much time do you really?
Speaker 2:have.
Speaker 1:That is true, pop tarts, Pop tarts for every male. I'm just like I don't need pop tarts at all, cold pop tarts. I went in the cover the other day and my husband had got lucky charms and I was like what kind of poison are you putting into these children? But then I ate it.
Speaker 2:Red dyes. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so the teeth all but 16 had to be extracted. She suffered from severe migraines. She had bad acid reflux, which resulted in a surgery where they remove some of the liner of her stomach to coat her esophagus. She had multiple eye surgeries because Didi said that that also had something to do with her seizures she had she just said it.
Speaker 2:She said it, that's what it is. Well, do you have her records, katrina?
Speaker 1:Katrina took it all away. You know she would have to have a feeding tube inserted directly into her stomach for feedings and that's really like to me.
Speaker 1:that's the scariest part because at that point you can put anything into that child, you can put bleach into them, for all they know they don't taste any of it. You know what I mean. She would have to go through painful surgeries every six months to have the tube change due to corrosion. She had muscular dystrophy that confined her to a wheelchair. She had excessive drooling, which was actually caused by her mother putting a topical numbing agent such as orgel on her gums. But as a result because you know, she was telling the doctors that she had this crazy drooling problem, so she had to have her salvatore glands removed, which I'm sure also had an effect on her teeth rotting.
Speaker 2:She had actually kind of jealous of that one.
Speaker 1:Why do you enjoy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, getting my salivary gland removed. I've been trying to get mine taken out for a few years.
Speaker 1:Why I have stones in my salivary gland or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they were going to take it out and then COVID hit. It was a whole thing. But yeah, every once in a while I'll get a stone, and it's like I've got like a golf ball, like a cyst under my.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, does it hurt. How does it make its way out?
Speaker 2:And then when it gets clogged and clogs up my saliva gland and that duct, then the water gets stagnant and then gets infected and then it swells up even more and now my gland just fills with saliva and I've got to kind of work it and get the pressure.
Speaker 1:Is it painful?
Speaker 2:It's extremely painful.
Speaker 1:Really I take like the what's the?
Speaker 2:not oxy cotton. There's another one Percusset. Percusset. Yeah, I have that Really. Yeah, like the most extreme crazy pill that you can get.
Speaker 1:Really seems like it would be a pretty fixable issue, though you know what I mean. Didi got these fucking glands removed just on her word.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just like a balloon that you could just pop or drain, but it's more like a honeycomb.
Speaker 1:Oh okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very complicated, sorry, wow.
Speaker 1:No, don't be, that's okay. Fine, I won't be, okay. Well, back to our health lesson. So you know, like I said, that probably had another effect on her teeth rotting because she wasn't getting the she was left alive at a break down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she had terminal leukemia which naturally resulted in hair loss, or so her mother told her, and in order to keep it tidy, her mother, didi, would shave off her hair and her eyebrows. She had a mental delay and Didi would tell this to everyone, so that even if Gypsy tried to tell somebody something, it was kind of like oh, oh, dear.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, she of course had to pull her out of school at a very early age, because if Didi herself would have not been around her, who knows me what if she ate a cracker one day in front of people and all hell broke loose? Yeah right.
Speaker 1:So Didi, you know, because she was the great, super attentive mom that she was she also took on the role of homeschool teacher and you know, god forbid Gypsy show anyone that she could walk or eat, and that would blow Gypsy or Didi's entire cover. And naturally, due to all of her illnesses and surgeries, gypsy had been prescribed some pretty heavy duty painkillers on top of it all. So something that nobody really ever thinks of was that this child was also highly addicted to narcotics. No shit.
Speaker 2:Yes, I never even thought of that. Highly addicted, oh God.
Speaker 1:Like to the point where, like Didi, would give her pills regularly and she would be addicted, and then she would have to withdraw with them when Didi just didn't have any more left, which I have never experienced a withdrawal but I have heard that it's one of the most painful things that people have to go through when they're addicted to especially these. Like epidemic nowadays that with the opioids.
Speaker 2:Well, you get literally sick from it, right?
Speaker 1:I think that you get like you sweat and you, you know, are nauseous and you have anxiety, to like the nines, like a lot of you, I mean. I've only really seen it in it ever depicted on TV.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same.
Speaker 1:I see these people like in cold sweats and they're bad. Sure, yeah, I can't imagine it's much of a stretch, considering so many people have actually experienced it. One thing that I did not mention in the first episode that definitely should be mentioned not only has Gypsy had to go through all of this, but she was also sexually assaulted by Didi's father her grandfather when she was nine.
Speaker 2:Oh, so is this before.
Speaker 1:This is before Katrina.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So she? I think that they had their own home when they were living with Rod and then, when they split up, dee Dee maintained her own home for a little while but then she moved in with her father and her stepmother and he was sexually assaulting Gypsy and they actually even got I didn't document it, but they got into like a really, really small motorbike accident. She was Gypsy, was riding with him and she like scraped her knee Like it was nothing. And then it was to the point where this is, when Dee Dee started with the wheelchair and it was she turned it in this explosion, but really it was just like a scraped knee.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me ask you a hypothetical, maybe a legitimate legal question.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, I'm here for legal advice.
Speaker 2:If the situation was a little different and you know her grandfather was molesting her and she had got her boyfriend to kill the grandfather, do you think that she would have served eight years in jail?
Speaker 1:Oh dear, that's a. That's a really hard call To me. It's just, it's two very, very, very different things. What do you think?
Speaker 2:I think that they are both incredibly evil. Things Right, we can agree on that, but I don't know. You know I. It's hard to say, because to me I don't, you know what I don't think. So I think that something like Munchhounds and Biproxy is.
Speaker 1:It's so un. It's like it's a mental health.
Speaker 2:You can't see it, it's not a broken arm with a cast on it, whereas I think, like sexual violence and stuff, it's more prevalent and people see it and it's got more of an impact, I think, with people.
Speaker 1:But I think and I you know what there's so many people out there that had the misfortune of having these experiences so I clearly cannot speak on any of that. I don't have the right to, I don't have the knowledge, I don't have the capacity for any of that. But I mean, gypsy was, she's gonna, and you know what Sexual. You'll have to deal with mental stuff later on, but like Gypsy's going to have to deal with the physical repercussions of the things that you know. She posted that picture of herself in like a sports bra the other day and she has that huge scar from where her feeding tube went in. And like that's what she said when she was with her husband, like to be able to get in, dressed in front of him. She's just covered in scars. Like she's, like her body's like a land map.
Speaker 2:Her mouth, her teeth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything. So I mean like yes, I mean they're both just so different. There are, I think, so awful, both so awful.
Speaker 2:And you're going to carry that trauma. Yeah, I don't know, there's just no way. It's hard to say what's worse, because I start to say one or the other, and then I'm like but in the same breath there's Well, I don't know if you can judge what's worse, but, like in my mind, I think of what a jury would look at is what's worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they're just going to see that you know sexual violence and you know sexual molestation, incest, and just say I didn't exonerate right away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I, especially a nine year old. I mean, like what am I even talking about? It's any age right. Like I just I don't know. It's all awful and it's kind of almost one of those things where you're like how the fuck can this many things happen to this poor little kid.
Speaker 2:So in my mind too.
Speaker 1:I was like maybe she's full of shit, Maybe this is like, maybe she didn't have this experience with her grandfather. But then in the confessions of Gypsy Rose, the grandfather's fucking interviewed and he's like, oh they, they present him with this finding. And he was like, well, you know, that's that's pretty weird that she would say that, and then he has the fucking audacity to go and say that she, as a child, came on to him.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. And that she grabbed him in a sexual way and he had to be like no, no, no, no, no. I don't mean to laugh, but that is just. That is laughable. It's the fucking craziest thing Like.
Speaker 1:I hate to say that I wish he was being dishonest, but I I kind of wish like when I saw him say that. I was like, oh my God, that happened to her too. And this fucking lunatic is? He's coming on the TV and saying, oh, you know what, I'm going to sign a release. I feel comfortable saying that this fucking child came on to me. Okay, idiot, why don't you go fucking drain yourself?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm not mad about that at all.
Speaker 2:No, no, you're okay, very level headed.
Speaker 1:You know, at this point poor Gypsy is just living in total fucking captivity, like we're all upset about, you know, circuses and all that kind of stuff I mean, while there's this little girl who can't even fucking get up and walk like insanity.
Speaker 2:I'm still upset about circuses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, I mean again it's peas and carrots, but like at least they can fucking walk around. I know what you mean, I'm just fucking around, but like that is where I draw the fucking line Like this is your house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, when you're done, take the dog away.
Speaker 1:So you know, like I said before, she has zero control over what DD is putting into this feeding tube and I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe not the most trustworthy person.
Speaker 2:Well, I will say this as long as you listen to DD, you're going to get fed, no problem. I mean, now that is, you got to think that she's going to use that as a bargaining tool? And just well, can you eat with the feeding tube? I don't think so. No, it's one of the other.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I really I don't know, but I did. I came across another case. Have you ever watched a show? Web of Lies?
Speaker 2:No, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1:Probably one of my favorite. Like reality shows, not reality shows.
Speaker 2:I was like okay, I'm intrigued, the Kardashians are in it.
Speaker 1:No, it's like one of like the documentary kind of shows the mother who in this case her name was Lacey Spears and I kind of want to say her name because fuck her, but she had a feeding tube in put into her little boy and she would just put copious amounts of salt into him and he kept going to the brink like he was getting all the sodium poisoning right.
Speaker 2:It shuts down your organs. Oh, really, yes, oh, I was like, oh, okay, cool, like I don't know. Yeah, the only thing about it if you're stranded in the ocean, you can't drink salt, of course, of course.
Speaker 1:So she was just bring him to near death and then bring him back and she would go online and she would post all these things and she called him Garnet the Great and you know she was so sympathetic as a, as a great mom.
Speaker 2:This is the Munchausen by proxy case.
Speaker 1:Yes, and actually the way they caught her was he was starting to feel better and he was in a hospital bed and the providers had started to kind of figure out what was happening because sodium levels would be fucking insane. And it's like, well, he has a feeding tube, so let's figure what's going into him? Yeah, and she on camera. They put a camera in the room.
Speaker 2:Oh God, and on camera.
Speaker 1:She takes his feeding bag and goes to the washroom, and then she comes back and it's like this milky, and then when he ends up, inevitably passing- oh shit. Calls one of the people in like her little community and she's like discard all of the bags, all of his feeding bags that are in the house. And the person that she said that to is like this is fucking weird. And they ended up taking it and it was just all like all saltwater.
Speaker 2:Wow Right, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:This is fascinating to me, it's just a weird. Yeah, I just don't understand.
Speaker 2:It's the now goes against the number one rule of nature.
Speaker 1:Even before.
Speaker 2:Don't kill it's. Protect your young.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know have your eggs. You know grow into babies.
Speaker 1:Right and like, even beyond that, even like, say, I didn't have the emotional attachment to my kids that I have. What do I like? What is the attention that it gets me to make my kids sick?
Speaker 2:I just I don't know it's crazy we can't even understand. It's hard to even understand and to relate to it.
Speaker 1:I don't like it's not a type of attention that I would be feel validated from. Like if somebody was like, oh my God, your kid's so sick and like you're taking care of it, yeah, I wouldn't be like, oh, that feels good, that really feels good yeah Right. Like. It doesn't feel like something that would help me in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2:But what do?
Speaker 1:I like.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, more thoughts and prayers, oh my God, you guys stop, I'm blushing. Thoughts and prayers for the new ramp. Thank you, that will help build it.
Speaker 1:So you know, this brings me to my next point, and that is there's two different types. Okay, so now we don't call it much housing by proxy anymore. Oh yeah, what is it called again? It's called fictitious disorder imposed on another. Okay, so the reason that we're calling it. That is because much housing by proxy sounds like it's something you're born with and it's something that you know you. It's a sickness that you have Fictitious disorder imposed on another. Is it's fake and you're doing it to someone else?
Speaker 2:That's what that means if you break it down.
Speaker 1:So the one type is where the parents lying to people and they're saying, oh, you know, this kid has this, that and the other and they're like, oh you poor thing. But then there's even more serious kind, which is this Lacey Spears that I just told you about, where you're actually making the symptoms, making your kid sick Right, and I think Dee Dee kind of fell somewhere in between both of those, because she wasn't actively poisoning Gypsy, but she was, you know, doing all these horrifically invasive surgeries. She did the orange alfing on her gum, so it was, you know, she was producing a symptom.
Speaker 2:I think 100% she was killing her.
Speaker 1:I think it's. I do believe that.
Speaker 2:Whether it's salt in the feeding tube or having unnecessary like. Any time you have surgery, there is a risk, Right Any time you are put under, there is a risk.
Speaker 1:Oh, 1000%.
Speaker 2:And for her to submit her daughter to all of those unnecessary surgeries, every one of those. She's risking her life.
Speaker 1:There's even been like kids that have gone in for dental work and have not come out of the general anesthetic Wow, and like a lot of people, have an adverse reaction to a general anesthetic. So for her to continually go under those things like you know what I mean and to have a piece of plastic inserted into your digestive system is like that's. Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:I had that.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I had. Is this our Patreon or the?
Speaker 1:regular, it's regular.
Speaker 2:I could clean it up.
Speaker 1:I had a.
Speaker 2:I had a surgery where I had some hemorrhaging and so they had to get a blood box, a drainer, hooked up into me. Oh my God. And essentially it's a tube, it's a box that's got a spring and it's under pressure, so it's constantly like sucking in and a tube attached and it's. The tube is inside my, my abdominal cavity.
Speaker 1:Are you a bionic man?
Speaker 2:That is correct. I remember the nurse, this lady Linda Stinson.
Speaker 1:I would say her name, because I'll never, ever forget her. Do you hate her?
Speaker 2:No, I love her.
Speaker 1:You kind of look like you hate her.
Speaker 2:I hated her and loved her at the same time.
Speaker 1:She just I think that's your relationship with a lot of people I feel like we have that relationship.
Speaker 2:sometimes she was just one of those nurses old school. Like her ID was her with the paper hat like from the 60s graduation class and then Matt found out that it was just a ghost.
Speaker 1:She died in the ICU in the 1940s. It was really. She wore high heels.
Speaker 2:She was fucking nervous thing she was like she like didn't take any shit. Like I remember like she's like, okay, today we're gonna, we're gonna make a pee. And I was like, oh no, I don't want to. And she's like, okay, well, I'm gonna do my rounds, I'm gonna come back with a catheter and a glass of water and then you just make your own decision. So I'll be right back. Like this was her kind of like listen, I'm gonna give you what I know that you need. And so when I had the tube, she's like we have to pull it out.
Speaker 1:I love the way that you think that she was just being like this is what you need to do, matt. She's like being encouraging me. Well, she's like I gotta fucking get out of here by three.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't see the nose. I like your wholesome. Take on it, though. You watched a lot of homework. I do. I hooked on homework.
Speaker 1:And like how I still come over. It's February. I'm like how are you still fucking watching Christmas movies? What's happening?
Speaker 2:I'll give a free plug. Pluto TV 365 Christmas. But real quick. So she went to pull the tube out of my body and I was like is it gonna hurt? And she's like no, and I was like what does it feel like? She's like like somebody's pulling a tube out of your body and I was like okay, she's like three, two, one, take a deep breath. And I was like okay, and she just pulled it and it was like it feels like your insides are coming on the outside.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, my, I remember. Thank God, my dad doesn't listen to this podcast because he is unsupported.
Speaker 2:He had to get a colonoscopy.
Speaker 1:And then when he was leaving, he's like he's not I wouldn't say modest man, but he is in front of he used to be a DJ and like he kind of had his little swag when he was and so the nurses were like these pretty young things, and she's like well, Norm, we can't let you out of here until he gives us a little fart.
Speaker 2:I know it's the worst.
Speaker 1:I would feel like I was being punked. I would be like, are you seriously asking me to do a little fart for you? What's happening?
Speaker 2:here it is a little sexist because I'm like but you're a lady and she's like yeah, but I'm also a nurse, so it doesn't matter. I'm like but if my mom finds out, like what if my mom finds?
Speaker 1:out. I farted in front of a lady like you don't understand here. Ok, matt, I love that you're going that route right now, because I've heard you fart 70 times. Well, I do.
Speaker 2:You do leave, but it doesn't really make that big of a thing, no, I know. So it's cranberries worth a slung linger about.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Ok, I don't understand why people say that we fucking just deviate from the story.
Speaker 2:They don't know. They don't know, Guys at least they should like this. At least they don't even like the story. At least they should like the deviations.
Speaker 1:There's four people listening and they're here for the day.
Speaker 2:What do you hate when you ramble and talk about Gypsy Rose Boy? Do we have a podcast for you, hey?
Speaker 1:no Body humor, get on in here.
Speaker 2:You like thinking about Oprah taking chicks.
Speaker 1:I fucking hate the cranberries. Ok, so you know, do you think that she was far on one side, that she was definitely the mom that was inducing things?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she was the devil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, she was definitely the devil. I do take that stance quite firmly actually. But you know, I don't think there is a limit to how far she would have taken things. I think that if she was back into a corner and she had to be believed, it would have taken whatever she had to do.
Speaker 2:I think it was a race between her life and Gypsy's life.
Speaker 1:But the only problem is she didn't realize she was in a race. She just thought she was going to kill her daughter eventually.
Speaker 2:That's right. Yeah, she didn't know that she was in a race.
Speaker 1:Yes, so my point here is that, you know, didi did not truly believe that Gypsy was sick, like a lot of people. I've heard a lot of people say that like well, maybe she thought she was getting ahead of some of these diagnosis. She had her, you know, she had a little bit of information, she had a little bit of knowledge. No, didi knew farewell that she was lying to, deceiving people.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, I thought it was going to be one of those. She, you lie so much that you believe it.
Speaker 1:When you're shaving your baby's head and her eyebrows, you know what the fuck you're doing.
Speaker 2:OK, all right, Listen OK, good, ok, great point, jesus that was so aggressive.
Speaker 1:Like I'm sorry, but I know, I know it's a good point.
Speaker 2:I understand now Are you scared.
Speaker 1:I'll show you get over it, bring your hand over here.
Speaker 2:I thought it was me that was shaving my baby. I'm like Clark the dog shaving his eyebrows.
Speaker 1:He does. He has sad eyebrows, I know. So one night after Didi had gone to bed, gypsy would sneak online and she would end up making a fake Facebook profile, just something where she kind of had a little bit of contact with the outside world when her mom wasn't there fucking squeezing her hand.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, almost fantasy convention.
Speaker 1:Well, here you go. So Gypsy would attend a sci-fi convention called the Vision Con. At one point a man accidentally bumped into Gypsy and he was all apologetic and like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, she's like, it's fine, Like totally OK.
Speaker 1:You know, she assured him that it was fine and they went on their way. Now this guy on his own, I think is problematic. Oh, but that's just my opinion, because he met what looked like a 12-year-old girl who was ill and in a wheelchair. At this point her head was completely shaved off, oh yeah, and his name was Dan, he was 36 and he went home and he began searching for Gypsy on Facebook. In my opinion, this man is likely and again, I stress, in my opinion, allegedly, in my own opinion he is probably a predator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how would you search? What would you type in? Kid in wheelchair at Vision Con, like. How would you even like? Yes, those thoughts in Google should put you on a watchlist. There were dogs, but the guy that was smiling on us. I think data. This is good. I'm glad they have our data. They should step in. They're like all right, listen the Google search. It's a little much.
Speaker 1:You know it's actually. You're fucking well within your rights to figure like. I don't know how he did it when, gypsy, when I watched the interview with her, she's like and then he found my Facebook profile and I was like that's all the information we're getting on that, eh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:I you know what, If I have to fabricate a situation, maybe Vision Con posted things, but then Diddy would know, oh yeah. No, Diddy would know Unless.
Speaker 2:Was Diddy there yeah.
Speaker 1:Diddy was there. Yeah, I'm gonna fake Facebook. He's like what.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I bumped you with my arm. Fine, what I'll never forget you.
Speaker 1:If it's meant to be.
Speaker 2:She's going to break. Oh yeah, why is she falling off a cliff? No, no, the parking room, okay.
Speaker 1:So if anyone has any fucking information on how he found her like, you know what?
Speaker 2:Keep it to yourself. I actually don't want to know.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna talk about it. I'm telling a story and asking for people to get you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hey, listen. If anyone has an information on this story, I would really appreciate it. Call it, call us now.
Speaker 1:So you know, I think that he's a predator. You don't see a little girl and be like and she's sick as far as you know, and you're like I would love, love, to hang out with her one-on-one.
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, okay, I'll give you an exception. Maybe you got some bucks. You're like, you know what I would like. To I did not have bucks, I'd make this kid's day and buy them. Whatever the fuck or something. A philanthropist or something is like hey.
Speaker 1:I love it when people buy me a phone.
Speaker 2:Hey, they're a fan of the same book or something I don't know, or the same fantasy book.
Speaker 1:I don't think that they're not in the same so if that's not the case, guess what?
Speaker 2:Weirdo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're fucking weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dan Dan. So you know. The two of them began to chat, and Gypsy would say that their conversation did have an underlying sexual flirtation to it. Oh God, woof, woof woof.
Speaker 2:He's like hey, those wheelchair got brakes on it. We always roll in.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I think just in my personal opinion again, we should arrest Dan. Yes, we need to get eyes on this guy Fucking stat. But you know, poor Gypsy was very vulnerable. She was craving any kind of a you know outside conversation with literally anyone but DeeDee, and during the chats he would reveal to her that he actually was on probation, which is great.
Speaker 1:No shit, yeah, huh. So you know they decided that they were going to meet up, which should help probation. I think he said that he could take her away from the prison. That was her mother and he told her that he had a farm in Arkansas and that he was going to be her savior and take her away.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:She soon disclosed to him that she was able to walk. He was probably like bummer, and this was the first person that you okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just like. Oh, I was really panking on the non-escape thing. Yeah, on the fucking lock on your wheelchair, creepy, fucking Dan Dan.
Speaker 1:So you know, this was the first person that she ever told that she was able to walk to, and in February of 2011, gypsy decided that it was time to put her escape into motion. Gypsy packed up some of her princess dresses Obviously Uh-huh and stole some pain pills and cash. She wrote Didi a note and she actually explained to her in it that she knew she was 19 because Didi had started convincing her that she was 15. She had changed her documentation to show that she was born in 1995 instead of 1991. And she had been slowly introducing the idea that Gypsy was much younger than she believed herself to be. And the thing is like she's well within her faculties, but she's fucking high all the time.
Speaker 2:But legally her age never changes.
Speaker 1:Well, legally, your like age can't change.
Speaker 2:No, it can.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about Natalia Grace, aren't?
Speaker 2:you yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's fucking, like, that's international. We're flying people over here from Russia Like that is nuts, that's it's I, but I don't think Natalia Grace knows how old she is.
Speaker 2:Like she's like yeah, that's true I really don't think she does. So she was just trying because they with them to tell you, grace I only bring that up because theory would be that Didi would be reducing her age. So you know, if you're under 18, you get more benefits or something like that. But if you're not doing that for the government, then legally then you wouldn't get those benefits. She's just trying to convince her daughter that she's Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 1:That's that's a really good question, because I don't know if it would change when she. I would assume it would change. When you go to a different state, right, Like I just know that in Ontario you get, you know, different benefits than if you were in Alberta or BC.
Speaker 2:Like I don't, I don't know how disability benefits, work To keep somebody under your thumb because they, you know, like and this is kind of like a playful example but just like I'm 18. I'm an adult, right? She never gets to that argument.
Speaker 1:But also, she's been telling people and I'm I am going to repeat myself because I know I have it in here but she has been telling people for so long that she's going to die by the time she's she's five. She's going to die by the time she's 15. Oh, she's going to die by the time she's 20.
Speaker 2:She's moving the goal, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know she's buying herself some time, but I think that, regardless, the end result was going to be the same.
Speaker 2:I think that, yeah, gypsy was a death sentence For sure.
Speaker 1:So Gypsy had decided that she was going to go meet this guy, and she actually hitchhiked in the middle of the night and she ended up at Dan's friend's home.
Speaker 2:How the hell do you hitchhike in a wheelchair?
Speaker 1:She was walking with a wig on.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:But have you noticed, have you seen pictures of her with her wig on?
Speaker 2:Maybe the blonde wig? Yeah, the Cinderella one. It looks like a thing from a costume shop.
Speaker 1:It's very. They're very clearly wigs, yeah. But so, yeah, Dan was couch surfing at his buddy's house and this guy did not have a license to drive a car. He actually wasn't even allowed to leave the state because of all the probation and he was clearly, in my opinion, a predator. And within four hours of Gypsy leaving, didi showed up at that friend's house.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, awkward yeah.
Speaker 1:You just do the awkward turtle look. And then you're just like and she was sleeping in the bed with this 36 year old On the couch, I guess so. And the guy, the friend, came in and he was like your mom's here? And then Didi was very kind in front of people and she got Gypsy to go outside and she was like listen, like you know, if you come home with me I'll let you see him, and blah, blah, blah, and then as soon as she got in the car it was like a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 2:I'm going to smash that computer, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Once home, gypsy said that Didi changed her to the bed as well as to herself. So she tied her to the bed and then she had a dog leash that attached her to Didi so that if she moved, didi would feel it and wake up. And this was how she lived for two weeks. Sometimes she would go without food for days at a time. She was finally able to slowly gain back some trust with Didi and then, when she was, you know, gradually given her rights back, as limited as they had been in the first place. But after this, gypsy claims that Didi tried to do okay, this is fucked up. This is another one of those things that I'm like is this true? This one, you know there isn't proof of, but the other, there's two other things in this story that I'm like is this fucking true? And both those things have been backed up. So, as fucked up as this sounds, didi had tried to do some voodoo on her. Now, remember, she's from Louisiana, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's kind of like their thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's deep in their roots. It's still practiced by a lot of people there today, and Gypsy had said that this voodoo, you fucking get this.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, her name's Gypsy Is. She's doing voodoo, Of course. The mom of course.
Speaker 1:So, listen, so, and the cousin too. After, when I was watching all this, the cousin was like, yeah, that was totally something Didi would do, like she used to like try to put spells on people when she was younger, and but so this voodoo consisted of a picture of Didi, a printed off Facebook picture of Dan, and then Didi went out and she got a mason jar and a cow tongue from the butcher and that was all placed in the mason jar and then she just needed, like a hint, just like a splashing of menstrual blood.
Speaker 2:Oh God, no, I have noot, no, just cow tongue menstrual blood.
Speaker 1:Two printed off photos.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I'm writing this down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know. Then they buried it in the backyard and Didi just plain and simple told her that she'd never find love, and hopefully this doesn't turn out to be just one of the fucking worst treasure hunts ever. Like just some poor people are like we should plant daffodils in the backyard.
Speaker 2:Is that a cow tongue? Guess who's getting a dick. Mother of God, is that?
Speaker 1:Yep, that's menstrual blood.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I know that smell anywhere.
Speaker 1:That's cow tongue and menstrual blood isn't it?
Speaker 2:That is cow tongue and menstrual blood.
Speaker 1:I need a sniff test for you, so you know if that's not wild enough for you. This next part, I bet you probably haven't heard until now it is wild enough for me.
Speaker 2:It is. You know what I'm tapping out. See you later.
Speaker 1:I'm like I make it sound like this is my exclusive coverage. It's actually just the documentary the Adventures of JC Rose, so this is another one that.
Speaker 2:I thought was going to be a lie, but there's actual medical documentation to back it up.
Speaker 1:So after her first runaway stint was storted, jc decided that she was going to attempt to do it again, especially since you know the runaway if possible. Like things had gotten way worse than they were even before. Dee Dee was never outright physically abusive, like aside from the surgeries, but after she attempted to run away she was now hitting her. So you know she added that to her mother of the year.
Speaker 2:She's losing control.
Speaker 1:She's losing control.
Speaker 2:She's freaking out. The meal tickets starting to get wild.
Speaker 1:At some point, jc said she almost came to the realization that she would probably just have to wait for Dee Dee to naturally pass away. But who knew how long that was going to be? And she could very well waste away almost all of the best years of her life Stuck in a wheelchair with blacked out windows so that nobody could see. And Dee Dee was also still going about bringing JC to different appointments. Still like surgeries were getting booked, new medications were getting added. The most recent surgery at the time was one to fix her larynx so that her voice would not be so high-pitched.
Speaker 2:Oh, they didn't go through with that.
Speaker 1:They did. They showed a slice of her neck, like when she was talking about it. So I don't know if they diagnosed it, I don't know if it was a biopsy, what exactly happened. But you know, in reality it's proven that sometimes, with traumatic things in childhood, your vocal cords are somehow stunted. Dr Drew actually said that he can even narrow down the age of the subject at the time that the trauma happened, based on the pitch of their voice.
Speaker 2:I think in hindsight yeah, the high pitch is better. You don't want like a. Oh my God, I love that fire D.
Speaker 1:Oh, no you think I love that fire D.
Speaker 2:Shoot me with that fire. D oh no.
Speaker 1:He's like come over here and get it. I'm like you guys need to get in the same room. Yeah, we're going to leave us out of it.
Speaker 2:You just sound the same now with her surgery. Come here and get it. Okay, are you making fun of me? No, are you making fun of me?
Speaker 1:Okay. So Gypsy said that she had packed a bag and she put it underneath the couch. She was going to try to run away again. And, of course, d D Bucket not one to be outdone Notice that there was a packed bag under the couch and she confronted Gypsy and she told her that she knew she was going to try to run away again.
Speaker 1:And Gypsy said in that moment she noticed that her mother's gun was sitting on the coffee table, which was out of the ordinary. Gypsy said that it was typically in a gun safe, but now, here it was, in front of her. She grabbed the gun, pointed it at D, d and then shot it off as many times as it would shoot.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I have to tell you that when I first was watching this and it was like coming up after the commercial and she's like talking about shooting her mom and I'm like, okay, this is going to be like a dream or something Like I've never fucking heard this huge element to the story.
Speaker 2:I've evicted revelation. Your exclusive coverage is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. Well, I mean, I got.
Speaker 2:Phenom girl.
Speaker 1:Boots on the ground is what I always say. If I'm not going to do it, who is? But yeah, so it turns out. Yeah, she did. She had a gun and she shot it off at D D.
Speaker 2:Did she get shot like these bullets in the?
Speaker 1:gun and everything. A bunch of the shots hit D, d, but the injuries were only superficial, and that was when she realized that it was only a BB gun.
Speaker 2:Oh, she probably called it a D D. Good, I'll show myself out and I'm quitting the pod, and later on at one of Gypsy's doctor's appointments.
Speaker 1:D? D would tell them and they would document it that Gypsy had actually been put through a traumatic situation. When D? D and Gypsy had gone to a Walmart around 9 pm one night, she had intended to go and get some groceries as well as money orders to pay the mortgage and electricity, which instantly felt as though it was too much information for her to be given to the doctor. Like I needed lettuce, and then I thought to myself do I have mayo? I had miracle whip, but I just didn't think I had helmets.
Speaker 2:And I needed.
Speaker 1:We don't fucking need all that information. D, D and you don't have a mortgage. What are you fucking talking? About oh, yeah, it should have a time for humanity. And are you even paying electricity? You liar.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You big fat liar, who lies?
Speaker 2:Although I do believe you have to pay for your house, habitat for your man. I think they hold the mortgage, though.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I think so, but and it's like a really flexible payment in Canada I think I'm like 90% sure it shouldn't work. How would they? It might be different in the States.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because in the States you also get paid for like blood, to donate blood and semen. Well, I didn't want to say that because I have class. I knew that though.
Speaker 1:You're like. Why do you think I'm always in Florida?
Speaker 2:What? Yeah, it's the Royal Rumble.
Speaker 1:What's with all these? Blue eyed babies with big laughter in.
Speaker 2:Florida.
Speaker 1:They love wrestling.
Speaker 2:It's a fucking way to say it. I love wrestling in Florida.
Speaker 1:So you know they, she was telling them she went to Walmart, she had to pay your fucking mortgage, but she said that she was approached by a man who was asking for her wallet and of course she had given it to him because you know, Didi, fucking compliant to a bolt.
Speaker 1:But then he still proceeded to shoot her 10 times with an air pellet gun. You know she was able to explain it away and in the documentary they were saying like you're subject, like the person that's getting you all this attention, you're like until you inevitably really hurt them, that's your focus. Like you can't. She can't say Gypsy shot her, because then it's like why, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:Then they started asking all the questions. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:That's wild Right. She was able to, you know, explain it away, and Gypsy didn't get into any trouble.
Speaker 2:And they bought it. Of course they bought it.
Speaker 1:What do they think? This little bald girl in a wheelchair that has a feeding tube shot her mom? That's fucking unlikely. So.
Speaker 2:The guy at Walmart give me your wallet.
Speaker 1:Thank you, bang bang, bang, bang, bang, bang bang With an air pellet gun, like just don't spend your money on the air pellet gun and you wouldn't have to steal a wallet.
Speaker 2:Yeah and say it was a bunch of people that each shot you twice instead of one guy 10 times.
Speaker 1:So you know, Gypsy said that she felt relief that Didi didn't die. She said that she did it and she wanted the end result to be the same. But like she didn't want to kill her mom, it was just there, didn't seem to be any other.
Speaker 2:Solution Frustration yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, because she felt so bad and she said that, instantly, like after she realized that it was just a baby gun, she was like I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you, and she fell back into that?
Speaker 2:Oh shit, I think she was over for blood.
Speaker 1:But in the documentary when her stepmom, christie, is told that Gypsy had tried to shoot her mom, christie's response was good for her.
Speaker 2:She didn't shoot all her moms, though. Does she Wait?
Speaker 1:she's a mom shooter. It's funny because in this documentary it was actually they stopped filming it the day before she went into her parole hearing. So she went in for her parole hearing on December 9th of 2021. So, like Christie and Rod and all them, they still hadn't really been together in anything that's not supervised, like they had seen Gypsy, they had spoken with her over the phone and stuff like that, but she still had a whole bunch of things that she wanted to tell them that she had never said over the phone and all of them monitored yeah right, so oh geez.
Speaker 2:Keeping all that stuff in. That is not healthy, oh.
Speaker 1:God, no. And so now we come to the part of the story where Nicholas Go to John comes in. Gypsy had stolen her mother's laptop and every night, dee Dee would take a sleeping pill, and when she was in a deep sleep, gypsy would log on to her fake Facebook profile and she would talk to her neighbor. It was a teenager and her name was Aliyah. She would tell her about being lonely and overprotected and Aliyah suggested maybe joining ChristianDatingForFreecom and she could see if she could find herself someone nice to chat with, and that's what she did in October of 2012. She ended up striking up a conversation with Nick Go to John. They quickly became online boyfriend and girlfriend, and Gypsy actually received a message from one of Nick's exes saying to be careful because he was very violent. Oh, gypsy said she ignored the message and assumed that it was just, you know, an ex being shady yeah.
Speaker 1:Because he was such a catch.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Listen, I have dated literally a single digit number of ladies in my life. Trust me, I know. Trust me, I get it, I understand.
Speaker 1:So of course she ignored this message. But you know, Nick eventually did show her that he had a violent side as well as a jealous and controlling side, One of the things that he would insist every night he would want Gypsy to say one thing to him, and if she forgot he would get really mad.
Speaker 2:Good night, I love you.
Speaker 1:I love and adore you, my King Charming oh.
Speaker 2:God King Charming.
Speaker 1:That deceiving it's better than Prince.
Speaker 2:It is, it is.
Speaker 1:And if that doesn't make you want to fucking vomit for three days straight, I don't know what will King.
Speaker 2:Charming an asshole.
Speaker 1:That's it. You know what? Everything else he did. I'm okay with this bullshit. It's that, fuck it. So he even told her this is superhuman, that he was a 500 year old vampire. Oh shit, yeah, which I actually kind of feel this strange, because what not kind? Of like outside of the normal. I actually, you know, I read this. I was like that's kind of strange. I'm like I don't know what is. 60, 40.
Speaker 2:Charming.
Speaker 1:I think it weird because here in Canada, um, in medicine had Alberta actually, we had a case that was kind of similar. Oh, jasmine Richardson. She and her older boyfriend conspired to kill her family when Jasmine was only 12. It is a horrific case. But all that to say that her boyfriend also claimed to be a super old werewolf, and I just found it ironic that in both cases there was werewolves killing parents.
Speaker 2:Very interesting. Well, one was a vampire.
Speaker 1:Oh, I fucked up then I guess. Yeah Well, vampires, and you know it's still the same, exactly they're in the same movie Twilight.
Speaker 2:It's the same but different Vampire. It's the same but different.
Speaker 1:Listen, stop fucking.
Speaker 2:get off my junk Guys same but different zombies, vampires, uh Dracula. Same kind of zombies. There is a vampires. Put mummies in there.
Speaker 1:Okay, of course as well, same Same. But you know what Mummies?
Speaker 2:are real. Yes, that is Well, you know, not the alive ones, I mean have you ever seen Night of the Museum? Okay.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't discredit anything, that fucking.
Speaker 2:Ben Stiller vehicle. Ben Stiller is in Good call. Good call.
Speaker 1:So, but as I'm sure you saw in the act, which is where you get all of your- information All my gypsy source Yep, nicholas and Gypsy didn't lead with murder Like they first had wanted to make you know a meek cute at the movies, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't lead with murder. No, why?
Speaker 1:not. You're not just like hey, what's up, let's murder people today. So they wanted to, you know, arrange this cute little thing where, like, nick is just there at like a fucking children's movie by himself as a grown ass man, and then like he would just bump into them and they'd have like kind of fun conversation.
Speaker 2:Super charming. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna miss a kid's boy, yeah. And Dee Dee would be like oh, that's totally normal that this fucking man is here by himself and then he just wants to sit with us all of a sudden, like there's nothing weird about that. But you know, she would try to present this to Dee Dee very slowly so that Dee Dee didn't feel threatened by the relationship and they would end up, you know, being able to be friends. Dee Dee would allow it. Maybe it could progress a little further.
Speaker 1:Oh, boy, so Nicholas took the bus from Wisconsin to Minnesota.
Speaker 2:That's your. Oh, hey, there now. Yeah, but I'm wrong, I'm, I'm no, that's it.
Speaker 1:No, but that's not. We're going to Springfield, missouri. I wrote in Minnesota because I was thinking about the accent.
Speaker 2:So Wisconsin to Missouri.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So if I say in Minnesota again, if you can just fucking clock me, on.
Speaker 2:I'll say, look lady.
Speaker 1:Do you fucking know your ass from your elbow?
Speaker 2:That isn't enough. Do you know your ass from your elbow?
Speaker 1:So I looked it up and it's an eight hour car drive.
Speaker 2:So like a 10 hour bus ride.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would assume so.
Speaker 2:Barf.
Speaker 1:So Gypsy convinced her mother to take her to see the Cinderella movie and while they were there, you know they would bump into Nick Godajon. We should mention that he's also on the autism spectrum and of course, in many cases people in the spectrum tend, you know, their social interactions don't go as fluid as you know others sometimes, and in this particular case I think a grown ass man walking up to these people on the best of days.
Speaker 2:It's an intimidating, awkward situation built on a foundation of lies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. And Gypsy said that it was really really awkward because he walked up and he just was really trying to shoot the shit about the weather and he's like, hey, how about those?
Speaker 2:Clouds Boy. It's really wet with all the theran.
Speaker 1:He's just the world's worst meteorologist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:So you know, Didi was very weary of him, but Gypsy still had these plans, Like she was. Like I am getting it in, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, how dare you? Did they do as the accident was supposed to? They tried.
Speaker 1:Things didn't pop up like you would think they.
Speaker 2:Whoa Hot. Take Mr.
Speaker 1:Go to John's soldiers weren't standing at the old salute position, they were go to sleep. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:You know, you leave the pod Get that out of here, Go to John's, go to sleep.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you know it didn't happen. But what they decided was they were just going to go to sleep Was they were just going to say it did like she wanted to lose her virginity to this individual. So they were like, well, it didn't happen, but we're going to say it did happen and I'm not here to say that that's not.
Speaker 1:You can't do that Like I'm not a fucking doctor, so what do I know? So they said that you know he took her virginity, when in reality it was just a bunch of Like hand stuff fiddling I would say oh God Jesus.
Speaker 2:Don't say fiddling, I can't.
Speaker 1:That's how I envision it. I think two things.
Speaker 2:You don't want, you are a super expert because you can play a fiddle. You can play a one up or a guy that knows dick, all just fiddling around down there like a mechanic, doesn't really know what he's doing, so I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm in the undercarriage, I'm not, oh boy, I think it's leaking oil.
Speaker 2:Um, get out of there.
Speaker 1:It's not so you know, this is what they decided that they were going to say. Now. They tried to arrange this whole meeting in the hopes that, you know, dd was going to allow the friendship. That didn't work. So at this point it was like well, she fucking hates your guts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, what are we going to do? And then they were like well, I think we got to do the murder stuff.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So they started. They were thinking are we going to do arson, Are we going to do poisoning? Done Ooh, and they Lot of options. Yeah, so they landed on stabbing because it wasn't loud, it wasn't messy. It didn't run the risk. Well, I mean in that confined area.
Speaker 2:They didn't think it was.
Speaker 1:But I mean, like you know, a big arson fire was going to be an issue A big yeah. And then, like they didn't want to shoot a gun because it would be too loud, poisoning, you ran the risk of it not working.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So Gypsy would go and steal a knife from Walmart and Nick and Gypsy Well, like that's so stupid.
Speaker 2:Listen, you should never kill and get murder weapons. But like I'm sure in the kitchen, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1:I don't know man.
Speaker 2:Oh no, maybe she didn't want one, didn't want one to be identified as one from their house.
Speaker 1:It's fucking smarter than we are.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:And she was in the wheelchair so she could just put it in like the yeah, nobody's going to slide a roof.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Gypsy would later say that yes, she did ask Nick to kill her mom, and a lot of people will say that Gypsy was the manipulator. Nick was this poor unsuspecting guy. He's a bit delayed and she roped him in. But I don't fully subscribe to that. I mean Nick was violent.
Speaker 2:You said something last episode that the husband said about. Nick and what is that again?
Speaker 1:So the husband said yeah, you asked him to kill your mom. But if you asked me to kill your mom I would say we're not going to do that, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he still did it, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I would say there's a very, very small percentage of people that are like. That sounds great actually I'm in.
Speaker 2:You know what Bingo bongo I would do it, signing up for Oliver, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:If somebody said to me like should we murder this person? I would be like I think we have other options.
Speaker 2:Right, unless they trying to take down your favorite Mexican restaurant and then murder is probably the only option.
Speaker 1:I'm actually still mad right now. I can't continue with this episode. It was just hypothetical.
Speaker 2:It was just hypothetical. It was nothing. I was just trying to use it as why did you do that? I apologize, I was trying to.
Speaker 1:I was really fucking right. I cross the lines my apologies. Okay, let's just try to get back to being professionals. So you know, he was roped into Gypsy's scheme but like I said yeah, the husband said like no, we're not, we would not agree to that, I'm not going to subscribe to that idea. And he's like I would quickly move on. Yeah, I would just go and contact the authorities.
Speaker 2:Maybe you hey, we should see other people.
Speaker 1:I'm going to throw this out there. Why don't you just stand up in front of someone? Yeah, so, like I said, Nick go to John was like that sounds super great.
Speaker 2:If I was DD, here's my end game. Okay, I would have gone to one of those evangelist preachers and been like, all right, we're going to any little cut here, because here's what I got for you. I got old Gypsy Rose Blanchard from the Habitat for Humanity house and we can get her up and walking at your telethon here. But let's talk, let's talk, cut and revenue.
Speaker 1:Let's talk coin.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't that be an amazing exit strategy.
Speaker 1:And I'm watching on fucking Sunday mornings because there's nothing else on cable TV at that time and all of a sudden I see, yeah, I have been to the mountain, the top.
Speaker 2:Oh, was that Gypsy Rose? Oh, gypsy Rose, come on in here. She's wheeling in here, she's walking out. She's wheeling in, walking out, wheeling, walking, wheeling and walking. Oh, oh, gypsy, almighty, almighty, you have missed your calling. I can feel it.
Speaker 1:No one can see you right now, but he is fucking raising the lords. Jesus Rory, I felt like I should get up and walk. She had been healed.
Speaker 2:Some fine gentlemen in some lovely suits will be around the collection plates.
Speaker 1:So not only did Nick like fully, he is like. This is the best idea I've ever heard. He was also like you know what else we should do, Okay. I see you, I'm going to go with the idea that you just had. Why don't we love?
Speaker 1:it after, and keep in mind neither of these two cars. We're going to drop her body off in a farm. Yeah, the pigs are going to eat her, so it's going to be nothing left. All right, it's kind of a good idea, though, except they don't have a fucking car Right.
Speaker 2:No, that is a very important part.
Speaker 1:Like that's a big part of the equation.
Speaker 2:You know what.
Speaker 1:If people don't drive, that's none of my fucking business. That's your life, live it. But if you're going to transport a whole, whole ass person to a farm, you shouldn't include other drivers.
Speaker 2:And with all due respect to the deceased and everything Not a lot is due, not a ton is due.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2:So I mean you're not going to be able to move her in like a 20-odd intercell. You're going to need, like you know, like a Montana or like some sort of like a caravan of some sort.
Speaker 1:Why does your voice get really high when you don't know if you're being insulted?
Speaker 2:It is very mean what I am saying.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't. I'm not exactly picking up what you're putting down. Do you mind elaborating a bit? Well, I just mean the logistics.
Speaker 2:The logistics of moving a body is tough and certain body types are harder to move than others, for sure, and I think that somebody of a larger body size is going to be a lot harder for two kids without a car.
Speaker 1:No, you know what, when you're right, you're right. So he also, nick, also had this really fun idea where he was like should I rape her? Will you stand right beside her, christ? Yeah. And Gypsy was like well, this fucking got weird Hard pass. Yeah, she's like, okay, I'm going to have to take a step back from this relationship, and she did she. Actually there was something else that he said that I'm not going to bring up because it's too dark. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know what, if that was the lighter thing that I just said?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, she did take a step back from the relationship and he ended up calling her and he's like whoa whoa, whoa whoa. That was the vampire, that wasn't me, that was Victor, that was a 500 year old vampire. So she was like well, as long as it was just a vampire. And he was like no, totally. And she was like okay, that's fine. Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you got? I just like well, because he had, like who the hell did he use? He couldn't get a hug when, like this is not your scene, buddy, I see X is not for you, All right.
Speaker 1:Just work on the basics.
Speaker 2:It's enough with the suggestions.
Speaker 1:You've got a lot of ideas and you're not producing an awful lot of ideas.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the big idea Okay, on paper, brilliant, logistically it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1:Oh God. Well, you know what? I didn't see you fucking coming up with it. She just sitting there.
Speaker 2:I meant I didn't mean sitting there, I just went like hanging there. That's awful, my apologies.
Speaker 1:So. So one of the things that didn't help Gypsy's case at all, believe it or not, is that she had made a video for Nick. She would, you know, send him this video of the layout of their house so that, like, if he's entering and it's dark, he can kind of navigate throughout the home right. Yeah, now let me just say this without being rude. I think I've said it all at this point.
Speaker 1:She said Fucking. Dee's room was a goddamn nightmare. The woman had fucking clothing and just, was she a hoarder? I don't know if it was a hoarder, because it was like there wasn't like newspapers stacked up or anything. I think she was just a slob.
Speaker 2:Just a slob, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like her, not that like not everybody makes their beds, but like her bed was all like it looked dirty and then like her kid clothing and just crap piled up like two and a half feet against every wall, like she had paths so she could walk into the room, but it was like it was just piled up against every wall. It's a bit of a hoarding.
Speaker 2:It's not good, it's not a good one.
Speaker 1:It might. Just I don't think it's hoarding when you just pull off your clothes and then throw them on. Olivia might be that person actually my daughter. She has to leave her bedroom. When she leaves her bedroom she has to walk past her hamper, but she will still get changed. Drop her clothes where she is and then leave her bedroom. I'm like it's not even an extra step.
Speaker 2:She's like a dad in like the late eighties just comes home, pants off, down in the chair. Yeah yeah, your daughter is like my dad, your daughter is a real Doug McClain.
Speaker 1:I've always said that. I have always said that so you know he would be able to see what was going on. But in this video, when she got to her mother's side of the bed, she showed him where Dady usually sleeps and then she does kind of like a stabbing motion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, geez.
Speaker 1:So he knew what was supposed to transpire in that exact spot. But in this video you can see that Dady was a hoarder. You know what? I'm not just going to drill that point home anymore, because it's kind of rude at this point I love a saver.
Speaker 1:So when Nick arrived in Springfield, it was June 10th of 2015,. He instructed Gypsy to go into the bathroom and close the door. She tried to cover her ears to stop from hearing everything that was happening, but she did hear Dady wake up and then she heard her screaming and she was yelling for Gypsy to come and help her. Gypsy said that she heard one piercing scream at the end and then it was all over and it went silent.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 1:She said that she will never get the sound of her mother screaming for her out of her head. Now I think that my stance on this case has been pretty clear. Like I'm team Gypsy, I can't imagine a child having to endure what she did. I know that there's people out there that's going to fucking disagree with me and say I'm awful for condoning.
Speaker 2:Say what Team Dady.
Speaker 1:Not Team Dady, but not Team Murder.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Listen, I said this earlier.
Speaker 1:She didn't have another option and she did try, like she tried to do this fucking meat cube with Nick. She tried to escape twice. She tried she was going to get dragged back into it no matter what, she tried to bust a cap at her ass.
Speaker 1:She's trying everything, but one thing that I will say for the people who are not team Gypsy is that while I was watching her describe the killing of her mom and she was crying and like hyperventilating crying I zoomed right in on her eyes because it was on my phone and there's two. Her eyes were watery but not a single tear hit her cheek, Like there is nothing spilling over. Is that what a crocodile tear is?
Speaker 1:I don't know what a crocodile tear is, but I know that my kids, when they fake cry, when they go through the motion of crying, they will. Their eyes will get watery. It's just like a. It's what happens.
Speaker 2:Really so you can't work yourself up.
Speaker 1:When you're really, really sad, I can't personally stop the tears from coming out of my hands. So who knows? But after the murder, Gypsy said that Nick raped her. He told her that because Rape two Gypsy. What so? She said that he told her because she had not allowed him to rape Didi she now owed him. She said that she told him to stop, and when he did not stop, she called out for her mother's help.
Speaker 2:Oh God, that's so heartbreaking, right.
Speaker 1:So they then took a taxi to the hotel where they stayed that night. The cab driver from the night remembered the couple. She said that Gypsy looked like she was 12, sounded like she was six, but spoke like she was 40.
Speaker 2:So like a locker combo Right.
Speaker 1:So something worth remembering, too, is that Gypsy, throughout all of this, is high as a fucking kite.
Speaker 2:Right, I keep forgetting that, that she's hooked on all these painkillers from all these surgeries, right.
Speaker 1:And so, like I just imagine, that's very numbing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:For like her motions. After all of that, they made their way back to Wisconsin and they had made the decision to mail the knife that Nick used to kill Didi back to his parents' home, which is a weird fucking thing to do.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Once they were there, nick told his parents that Gypsy had been kicked out of her home and would be staying with them. Gypsy had taken $5,000 out of Didi's safe, which, to be fair, was probably intended for her anyways. Gypsy said that she was mortified when she saw Nicholas's bedroom because it looked like it belonged to a 15 year old boy. He had a WWE comforter on his bed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, finally, I thought this guy was gonna have zero redeeming qualities, you know what's so funny too.
Speaker 1:It's like, obviously she gave this interview while she was in jail, right? So she's like, oh my God, like he was such a fucking loser. He had this WWE, and then she probably like got out, she married her husband. She's like hey, baby.
Speaker 2:And he's like fucking WWE. I know she's got like.
Speaker 1:Look, can we not watch the confessions of me? My confessions.
Speaker 2:I love that they were at that AEW show and I just think it's hilarious.
Speaker 1:You should see how mortified she was when she started voting Nick Otage on those. She's like he had a wrestling comforter and I think he's the husband.
Speaker 2:I think he's got something. I forget something with. His car is wrestling you. Either he's got a bumper sticker or a vanity plate.
Speaker 1:I think I remember you telling me that I think it was a vanity plate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's something to do with wrestlers. I was like, oh my God, I love this guy.
Speaker 1:So, you know, she began to wonder what she had gotten herself into. Four days after the murder, Gypsy said that all she wanted was for her mother's body to be found. Like I can't imagine, you're just sitting there fucking waiting for the ball to drop. And that was what led to her infamous Facebook post.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 1:So on June 14th, on the Facebook that Gypsy and Dee Dee shared Idiots, the post popped up that said the bitch is dead. After friends like himden haud over who could do this and what this could mean, many of them speculating that she'd probably just been hacked, they posted a comment and it said I fucking slash that fat pig and raped her sweet innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud LOL, jesus, that is a lot. So Kim and Dave Blanchard, who were friends of Dee Dee's and Gypsy's, but there was no relation, that's so confusing.
Speaker 1:I know, but I think that, like there's, that's a very common name out that way.
Speaker 2:It's very.
Speaker 1:I would think that it's a lot more common in like New Orleans, because it sounds very French. Blanchel oh this is my friend.
Speaker 2:Mr Blanchel.
Speaker 1:Billy Plessay.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:So you know there was no relation. They were concerned enough to go to their friend's house see if they could spot the mother and daughter. Dave was able to get in through an unlocked window and he did a quick run through of the home. He noticed that all three of Gypsy's wheelchairs were there, which in itself was concerning enough, because he'd never seen Gypsy without her chair. He left the house and called the police to have a welfare check done, and that was when Dee Dee was located nearly decapitated with 17 stab wounds. Oh, and now they needed to locate Gypsy, and naturally, one of those first steps in locating the person who made the Facebook post was, of course, to trace the IP address. They had to get a warrant for Facebook to release the information and the very next day, on June the 15th, swat rushed in to Nick's home and took the two into custody. Was she?
Speaker 2:missing. Like was there a report like the mother is dead and the daughter is missing.
Speaker 1:Nobody in.
Speaker 2:people are concerned and there's like vigils and all that. Well, it didn't go long enough for them there to be a vigil.
Speaker 1:But yes, there was like news. It was like oh, now we need to locate the disabled daughter who's suffering from leukemia. So they've told her in interrogation that her mother was deceased. Did you ever see that interrogation?
Speaker 2:I don't think so no.
Speaker 1:They're like OK. So I'm just going to tell you right now, like your mother is deceased and you just continues on and Gypsy goes. Wait what?
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:And then he's like, yeah, your mother's deceased and like he keeps going, he doesn't stop to wait for her reaction and she's like what it's just like oh my God. But you know what this fucking girl has acted for 19 years of her life. And she's 19. So Gypsy pled guilty. Now this is interesting. Gypsy pled guilty to second degree murder and she was given 10 years with the possibility parole after eight and a half years.
Speaker 2:I don't like that move.
Speaker 1:You think it's too much.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, I think that she should have pled, not guilty.
Speaker 1:I think that they, you know well, here's the thing. Gypsy had to plead. Well, she took a deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the reason she had to plead to second degree murder is because in her state accessory is not a charge. They do not have accessory to murder. Yeah, so she had to do something, and that's what she said. She was like if accessory was an option, that's what she would have taken, but it wasn't a thing. So Nick go to John was given life without the possibility of parole and Gypsy testified against him. She was fucking petrified. Did you ever watch her testify against him?
Speaker 2:I've only seen if it wasn't for you active in the act.
Speaker 1:If it wasn't for Patricia Arquette.
Speaker 2:If Patricia Arquette. So what did Patricia Arquette do? Like, did she really do these bad things to Joey King? Joey King, that's what I was trying to think of a young girl. She's amazing.
Speaker 1:She's so pretty too.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she was so fucking scared Like it was palpable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shit.
Speaker 1:Nowadays I find that she's just kind of like OK, this is what happened. But when you watched her in this and she was 27, so it was fucking eight years after this all happened she was like shaking the entire time, like it was so sad almost to see how scared she was to be there. But she testified against him and he was given life without the possibility. Now, one thing that's really sad is Gypsy said at this point, you know, the day before her parole hearing the best day of her life in her entire, however many years 33 years when she got out was the first day that she was imprisoned and she got her lunch and was able to go and set at a picnic table.
Speaker 1:That was just so fucking liberating for her.
Speaker 2:Just have a meal on her own, just to be able to sit and walk outside.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like her, prison at home is worse. Oh, yeah, then the prison that they have known as prisons.
Speaker 1:So Gypsy's parole hearing was on December 9th of 2021, which was attended by her stepmother, christy. Her father, rod, was halfway through a month long fishing trip for work and he was unable to attend, but Christy went as support and she also spoke on Gypsy's behalf.
Speaker 2:Christy deserves a random applause.
Speaker 1:She is a bad bitch and she was fucking there for this kid she really is like she was there for this kid, for whatever, Like all she wanted to do.
Speaker 1:She said that you know the entire time that they thought Gypsy was so sick. All she, her and Rod wanted to do was go and visit her. And they would make these plans to drive fucking 12 hours and go visit Gypsy and Dee Dee would call like 12 hours before they were going to go and she would cancel the plans all the time. But Christy was a rider dial, Like she was always. She's like yeah, you have another kid, she's sick, We'll do what we can to be in her life and fucking. Every time she was going to go to like a Disney World or something like that, he would literally give her his entire paycheck. He said to Dee Dee like you can't work, Like you're taking care of Gypsy this whole time, Like you need, I'll give you whatever I can, Like he was getting by on the bare minimal so that he could give.
Speaker 1:He was saying that you know what this was in the early 2000s in Louisiana. So I don't know what the going wage was, but he was giving her like $1,200 a month. Wow, Right.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, christy, and she was like, she was also like so nervous you could see that. It was like she was so scared to go into Gypsy's parole hearing and, of course, you know, because she really had to do what she did, she was able to get out at her earliest release date, which was December 28th of 2023. So while she was in prison, she began a romance with a man named Ryan Woo. He had written her because he had a friend who was a girl and she was going to write another inmate. I can't remember who it was, but it was somebody who had an older ID, somehow.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:And so she was like I'm going to write so and so, and he's like, well, okay, you write him and I'll write Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, weird hall pass he always well, they were friends.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like it was a swap.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 1:So you know, Gypsy ended up writing him back and the two struck up a romance. Gypsy said that he stood out from the others because he was from Louisiana.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:And well, she was from Louisiana. Her dad lived in Louisiana. She was from.
Speaker 2:Louisiana. No, she's not, she's not. No, oh, where's she from? I don't know, I thought she was from.
Speaker 1:Louisiana.
Speaker 2:Who knows?
Speaker 1:Hey Siri, Where's Brittany Spears from?
Speaker 2:She's from a cuckoo clock.
Speaker 1:Brittany Spears was born in Macomb Mississippi.
Speaker 2:No, not Louisiana.
Speaker 1:That's for sure.
Speaker 2:It could be fucking Minnesota, or other places, because it's just anything with an M, I'm like brrr.
Speaker 1:But I feel like I have to say this I know a lot of people are a bit put off by Gypsy right now because you know she's all about hopping online and talking about her husband's Fiery. You know she's doing tons of interviews Like she's not leaving anything to the imagination. She's capitalizing a lot off of her crime.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I struggle with that. I did push back on it at first, I thought it was a little too much. I might have been you that said, because I was talking with the wrestling she's just trying to live her life and make up for lost times. That really stuck with me.
Speaker 1:And now, when I see her.
Speaker 2:I see it in a different light now.
Speaker 1:Well, you have to think of, like there's so many things that can stunt a child, and it's like she really didn't get until 33 to live her life, and it's like think of all the fucking shitty, stupid things and like how boisterous we well, I know I was as, like a teenager, like I just wanted to, like you know, be the loudest one, and though, you know, and I think that's kind of what she's doing now as an adult in her 30s, she's essentially missed all these years. I think that, all things considered, she's doing pretty good.
Speaker 2:And with very few exceptions, you got to think every time she's doing an interview, they're paying her and she doesn't have a job and she doesn't have it and I'm not faulting her or the you know not news organization, it's access Hollywood and extra paying her for these. I'm sure lifetime has some sort of deal with the doc, but I think that it's part income and part. I think she just wants her story told.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure she has to get herself out there, right, like people. She said that half of the people out there right now think of her as a victim and half the people out there think of her as a murderer. And she says she says one thing that everybody needs to know is yes, I did plead, you know, second degree, but I didn't murder anybody. I didn't do. I wasn't even in the same room. But you know, I think she's very self aware. She has said the entire time that she was in prison that she was so wrecked by the mere thought of people disliking her or talking about her badly, like it was all consuming for her. But now she's at a point in her life where she's like, fuck off, like I don't, I really don't care anymore. She completed her GED while in prison. She and her husband would like to start a family and have children. She wants to have a relationship with her dad and Christie, who she now calls mom, because she was more of a real mother than Didi ever was. And she said that she hopes to use this window of time where she has the spotlight, like she's she's well aware that this is her 15 minutes. She wants to become an advocate for other children who may be experiencing the same thing that she went through. She said the doctors do not learn a lot about my chosen by proxy or fictitious disorder opposing another. When they're in school it's said that there's a paragraph and textbook, but aside from that they're pretty limited to the knowledge that they have and what signs that they should be looking for.
Speaker 1:And one last thing that I did want to mention about Didi is it's believed by many that when Didi's mother, emma, who was 59, she passed away and it is believed throughout the family that Didi was starving her mother and that led up to her death. Oh shit, this is believed by the family and there are there's no other proof. But also during a time when Didi and Gypsy were living with that piece of shit, grandfather and his wife, whose name was Laura May, laura, fell very ill. She was in bed for nine months and nearly lost her life. While out in the garage one day, gypsy was very young and she pointed to a large bag of roundup weed killer and she said to her cousin and her grandfather oh, that's the vitamin that my mom gives to Laura May.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 1:So it's likely that Didi was also trying to kill her stepmother, which she had a very bad relationship with.
Speaker 2:Couldn't have slipped some weed killer in Pops's drink. I mean for yourself, you fucking lunatic. Yeah, either one.
Speaker 1:So personally, I believe that it was only gonna be a matter of time before she ended up killing Gypsy, and that's that. That is the case of Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
Speaker 2:Wow Okay, I got a question for you.
Speaker 1:Is it. Can I do a fourth episode? Because yes, I will. I'm gonna do just one on her husband's D.
Speaker 2:Here's what I want. Here's what I want. I want Gypsy Rose versus celebrity boxing Natalia Grace oh my God. Come on right.
Speaker 1:That's Gypsy's got that, that's just she's-.
Speaker 2:I don't know but Natalia's scrappy.
Speaker 1:You know what Gypsy's so and?
Speaker 2:Natalia's probably 40.
Speaker 1:She's either six or 40, no one knows. But Gypsy, oh God and bless her, because I think she's so sweet. But when I was watching her testify against Nick Godajon, because she's so tiny, like I think she's only like four, 10 or four, 11, but she's sitting in her little chair and then they were like everybody's stand for their honorable whatever.
Speaker 2:And she stands and it's like it's the same height. I was like, oh, ah. I think this whole story is so sad and wild and even since we started talking about it to now, my not whole outlook. But it's definitely changed from yeah, she should have done fucking 10 years to, I mean, if this was a physical, if this was, there was more evidence of a physical assault every time she was harmed. I do not think a jury, especially in those Southern states, would ever convict anybody for doing a little Southern justice.
Speaker 1:But you know, what they said too is, like Christie said, that when they went over to to like clean up Diddy's house, like when all this came out, everything was fucking chaos. So Miranda Lambert wrote them a check, like a handwritten check, right, I guess when they cashed it they still had the check as like a you know.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And they just found it on the floor, like it was just like a heap of garbage, Like it was just a thing. You know what I mean, Like. But when they went to the medicine cabinet, fucking everything, Christine, meticulously like organized and everything, and it was like it was just walls and walls of different types of pills and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Like, and you know what the thing is too Like, and I you know I think we joked around a little bit about Diddy's weight, but like, and I don't want to sound mean about that, but like she was freely eating anything she wanted.
Speaker 2:I know, and your kid's got a feeding tube.
Speaker 1:And she's just, she's getting fucking pebbled through this tube and you're just probably eating like the most delicious foods, like.
Speaker 2:Or smell, or even even McDonald's, the smell of that paper bag, anything, oh, that's that is psychological torture, like when I go home to my New Mexican lover that owns that restaurant. Yes.
Speaker 1:When he comes home just the smell permeating off of his.
Speaker 2:Sapron.
Speaker 1:Sweaty. I just can't. I'm in, though. I'm in all the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1:Sign me the fuck up. So that's that, and if you made it this far, guys, then like you are our people Cause that was a lot of fucking nonsense that nobody asked for.
Speaker 2:Okay. Do you think Gypsy's going to get on like cameo? Only fans celebrity boxing. Here's the thing is.
Speaker 1:I think that her husband is, like Seems like, a good guy.
Speaker 2:I don't know what kind.
Speaker 1:I think he's keeping her at bay Like he. He's very she would try to. So she was engaged also when she was in jail to another guy named Ken.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:And right up until she was released, she was telling Ryan like I'm still in love with Ken and like I can't get over him and like I can't marry you because I'm so in love with him. And he was like, okay, well, you need to fucking figure yourself out. Like, if you're in love with him, then, like you should not, Don't marry me. There's one thing that she was like. He was like you need to figure your life out. She goes well, why are you saying that? And goes cause we're getting married in 12 days and it's like. But she even said that like she was trying to push him as far as she could get him and like see if he would still come back. And that's what he kept saying to her. He was like you know what? You're trying to get rid of me and if you want me to go, then I'll go, but like, when you need me, I'll still be here.
Speaker 2:Listen there is a beautiful, a beautiful poet. I think it's quit playing games with my heart. I think that's the name of the song. And do you know the song by the Bactrian Wraiths? Do you say poet? I meant poets.
Speaker 1:My dad actually has his very own rendition, which is ironic that we were talking about his colonel's spear earlier, because my dad would say quit playing games with my fart.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I know what you're thinking he was a DJ, though, so he kinda had Weird Al. He was so inclined Did he cut one in front of those lady nurses, though Just a little speaker.
Speaker 1:Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, that's so weird.
Speaker 1:And we haven't talked to my grandma since she's emancipated herself.
Speaker 2:Hi heavens, you're grandfather broke so much wind. I don't need ladies.
Speaker 1:Oh God, can you imagine the people that are still listening right now?
Speaker 2:Like guys. What else do you have going on?
Speaker 1:I love you all, I do it's kind of fun, like you're sexually attracted to all the people that are still listening right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, without any exception.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think that you're all beautiful.
Speaker 1:You're beautiful.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 1:For your eyes.
Speaker 2:All right, okay, well, we gotta call it Good night, okay, bye.
Speaker 1:Thank you.