Everything Scary
Everything Scary is a podcast that delves into all things spine-chilling. While it primarily focuses on true crime, it also covers anything else that falls under the umbrella of fear. For those listeners who HATE banter, this may not be the pod for you. We try to dial it back, since it does not appeal to everyone. But, it does still get away from us sometimes.
The hosts approach these serious topics with a balance of levity, ensuring it’s never at the expense of the victims. If you enjoy true crime and appreciate a touch of humor, you’ll likely find Everything Scary intriguing. You can listen to it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Additionally, they have an Instagram account called Everything Scary Pod where you can connect with them. If you’re interested in bonus content and exclusive episodes, they also offer a Patreon. Enjoy exploring the eerie world of Everything Scary!
Everything Scary
A Dive into Amanda C Riley
In todays case we will dive into an alleged miracle pregnancy against a terrible prognosis of stage 4 terminal cancer. We examine the twists and turns of Amanda's journey, the sizable community support, the riveting incident at her church that relieved her medical bills, and the incredible deception of self-remission. Nancy, our investigative producer, painstakingly fact-checks every detail, leading us through the maze of misdiagnosis, faith, and the power of community. This is an episode you won't want to miss! Buckle up, and let's begin this rollercoaster ride of emotions and revelations.
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Welcome to Everything Scary. My name is Lynn and I'm here with my co-host local celebrity, sorry, sorry, international celebrity. Thank you, matt McClain.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Every Tuesday we release a new episode, mostly true crime, but we've also been known to cover a pandemic, a haunting, a super mad, super strong chimpanzee. We'll cover anything and everything scary. Please rate us five stars and join us on Instagram at Everything Scary Pod. Here we go. Hello, hello, dear, how are you? I'm fantastic. How are you?
Speaker 2:I am just lovely.
Speaker 1:You're not lovely.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, putting on airs, I'm a tad or a lot hungover. Okay, yeah, I was calling with pride last night, so we are taking in some of the festivities.
Speaker 1:I love that Collingwood just decides that they get. They're like you know what fuck off we're doing? July.
Speaker 2:You know what, June? We've had enough of your crap.
Speaker 1:Collingwood's, like we have our own little city here, we're doing things on our own terms, yeah, but that's good. I'm really.
Speaker 2:It was awesome.
Speaker 1:Proud that you supported the gays.
Speaker 2:I call them the rainbow mafia. But the sad thing is that you can't hang with them man, no, no, they are a festive, lively bunch and I could not keep up last night.
Speaker 1:They actually carried you back here. That's right, I came in. Matt was just sleeping in the lobby.
Speaker 2:No, I was um. Fireball was sponsoring a drag show. Fireball Cinnamon hearts.
Speaker 1:Okay. So my grandma, before she passed, used to drink fireball like crazy, oh my God. And then, when she did pass, all of my moms she's my mom's one of six so they all got together and they, like you know, had a toast to their mom. Oh nice, they drank a ton of fireball. And then my niece was an infant at the time, like not even sitting up infant and my mom came home and she was like I'm going to give Lily a bath. And we were like, okay, this probably is not going to end well, and she filled the bathtub up to like the rim, oh my.
Speaker 1:God and she just put the baby in the bath.
Speaker 2:It's like no, you don't got this right now. Surprisingly, she was also hanging out with the gays.
Speaker 1:So I'm worried, like if you laugh too much today, are you going to barf?
Speaker 2:Which would make it the second time in as many hours we will see. Yeah, if all of a sudden we're in, you hear like we're at mid-set, foods is like, and then it was a Friday. After it, then you can hear a big edit jump. It means that I've had to go and pay tribute to the porcelain gods.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:Yes, but you know what? Hey, that's the price we pay. You know, having a phenomenal time.
Speaker 1:I'm going to put you on the spot right now. Yeah, go ahead, because I did see you doing your sexy little dance in the hallway for the Taylor Swift giveaway.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 1:And there was, first of all, this was a thirst trap, was it not?
Speaker 2:I think so, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Everybody's like when's the win-a-date with Matt Contonton? Oh God, I know, I know.
Speaker 2:It was your mom. Yeah, that's right, it was my mom. A lot of you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you still have an answer. That's why I'm putting on. That's right, it's just me and different profiles. I don't change the picture though, so no one really falls for it.
Speaker 2:Yes, we have a new gentleman that works in our promotions department. He really wants to get the word out for these Taylor Swift tickets. So I'm like, listen a couple things. Number one Taylor Swift doesn't need no help.
Speaker 1:Are people not?
Speaker 2:No, he just wants to get a new job, like he's new in the position. So he's like hey, he's like Matt, listen, if it's not too, I'd love to get some ideas he's like here's what I need from you From some videos.
Speaker 1:I was listening to your podcast. I heard you can dance.
Speaker 2:I heard you are thirsty, dehydrated.
Speaker 1:There was a thousand people that were like, when is the date with Matt contest happening? And you're like, huh, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what to say, because I like, first of all, I think, and then somebody's like, oh, they could wrap it off for a nonprofit. I'm like awesome, that's all that I need is to have. Cnib go bankrupt because there was a win, a date with Matt McClain felt miserable.
Speaker 1:I love the fact that somebody was like you could raffle it off for like five to $10. You're like, yeah, eight dollars later I'm like how would that fucking even happen? That doesn't fall into the increments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And so I'm also equally as creepy, because I'm just reading all the comments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like hey, all right, maybe by the way, let's talk about this real quick and then we'll get into the pod. Sure, Taylor Swift coming to Canada. Your thoughts?
Speaker 1:If Taylor Swift doesn't come to Canada, I'm going to hold up a bank.
Speaker 2:She's okay, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I would say murder, but I don't want to do murder, Right? I mean, I talk a lot about murder but I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2:But she's coming right. Obviously it's just disguising.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I wish I knew you know what she did. Okay, I'm going to tell you something. I know it's really embarrassing, but I'm going to tell you anyways. Oh boy, remember, I messaged you the other day and I was like I'm crying to Taylor Swift and wine drunk.
Speaker 2:Yes, my sister also sent me a note on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we went to a kid's birthday party and I had three glasses of wine at a child's birthday party.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I love it.
Speaker 1:But the reason I was crying was because one of the cases that I'm covering today kind of fell into the category and I ended up stumbling upon this Taylor Swift song called Ronan and pulled my eyes out like a lunatic. And getting back to why it was so embarrassing was because I was like you know, I would really love to put that Ronan song into the episode that we're going to play, because it had to do with it. I just was like I'm just going to DM her real quick. I'm shocking to no one. She has not gotten back to me. Oh my God. Our editor Chris was like yeah, no, we can't legally put that song in. It's okay, I'll just message her.
Speaker 2:I love how like you would feel like Taylor Swift get a DM. Oh my God, somebody wants to do my rights for their podcast. Hey, jimmy, we got to get on this.
Speaker 1:She does our own version.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that was the embarrassing part of life. Yeah, so here we are All right. Let's get into the episode. Okey dokey. Okay, this one is. It's going to be a little bit longer. Okay, I think you're going to like this one, though. All right, because no one's going to die. Oh, it's a blonde lady. Oh, jack, and you can fully drag her because she is a piece of shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're punching up. I haven't noted in here. Before we get into things I have to shamelessly plug our Patreon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do it. So with the Patreon, we have our Facebook only crew, which is a community of like. You know we're not huge, but they're. Everybody that's on there is really cute.
Speaker 2:And I participate in there.
Speaker 1:So actually, Matt actually participates in there. He will respond in there more than he does to my text, so like that's a big deal that is true?
Speaker 2:Well, although you did send me those personal photos and I got back to you right away with the fire emoji.
Speaker 1:That was after I cried to Taylor Swift. You said I'm not answering any further text messages unless.
Speaker 2:Why are you crying in the nude?
Speaker 1:My girlfriend was like I'm not going to do that and I was like I'm like you need to listen to this song. And she was like what the fuck, lynn?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, she's like stop messaging me these things.
Speaker 1:I'm like wanna hear another one.
Speaker 2:She's like no, you fucking loser.
Speaker 1:So if you join us at the $5 a month amount, you will also get two bonus episodes a month Nice, which we will be recording, one today, another really good one, sweet. You'll also receive all the episodes early and at free Plus you will get an everything scary sticker and card with personal sediments in them, and Matt gets a little bit weird.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do. I crank these out and I first thing that pops into my mind I usually write in the card. I have horrible penmanship as well, by the way, so this is really.
Speaker 1:And the beauty in that is that you could really take away from it what you want. You can make your own message out of it, because half the time you can't read what he said. That is true.
Speaker 2:That is true One. I wrote I am filling this out in the nude.
Speaker 1:I was here. He was not nude. I'm sorry, I hate to burst everybody's bubble, all right.
Speaker 2:You know what? Fine, nobody's going to be nude. Put your clothes back on, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it, and put it in my foot, damn, today, if I was to get him to sign some cards, they might even come with a little bit of barf, but I don't have any, so we're good. Oh, and you're automatically entered into every draw that we do.
Speaker 2:Sweet.
Speaker 1:I think we just did a draw last time, right and yes, so I'm sending out the socks to Melissa S.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, congrats Melissa.
Speaker 1:So for this episode, my only source I have to give it because it's a podcast. It's a now I think, 12 parter and it's called Scamanda.
Speaker 2:Scamanda, scamanda, scamanda.
Speaker 1:Charlie Webster is the host, and then there is an investigative producer. Wow, yes, there's a job title.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, listen to what part she plays in this. It's a wild Sue. I had to name it because they did all the work. I'm going to give you a watered down version of it because I think Matt will have a lot to say about it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And here we go. We're going to start in 2002. 17 year old Amanda Riley was helping out a local family. The family's eight year old Jamie had just been diagnosed with leukemia. Amanda had been recruited to come and help the young girl. Amanda was a cheerleader and she was teaching Jamie how to dance and cheer. Jamie's mother's name was Alita and she had a stepfather whose name was Corey, and her half sister, who was younger, was named Jesse.
Speaker 2:You put your kids into cheer Like was that ever thought for you? No, no, it is the most, and it's not even a sport. I don't want to call it a sport because it's not governed as a sport, but it should be. The amount of injuries in cheerier squads and like the collegiate level is mind-blowing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like they're making pyramids out of humans.
Speaker 2:And yet there's no like real governing body. And then you look at, like hockey, right yeah, violent sport, not, there are injuries, but it's not as much as there are in cheer.
Speaker 1:You have an issues with that, hat I?
Speaker 2:am sorry, I was trying to go. I just took off the hat.
Speaker 1:I couldn't judge the distance from the hat, I think you might still be a little bit drunk. He was like a foot off, trying to talk and put the hat on the table. That's it.
Speaker 2:That's all it was trying to do. I am a mess. I am a mess.
Speaker 1:But people would pay today to choose. So that is you're essentially a hooker.
Speaker 2:Anywhere from five.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I don't think we're allowed to say, hooker, you're essentially a sex worker. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:Yes, normalize sex work please.
Speaker 1:Yes, done, I'm sitting across from one right now. So Jamie's illness prevented her from going to school because if she was, even if she was to catch a simple virus, it would have been very, very dangerous for her. So Alida, her mother, thought that it would be fun to bring Amanda in and help break up the days for Jamie. When Jamie was first diagnosed with the cancer, her sister Jess I, was only about six months old, so she was eight there was an eight year span between them.
Speaker 1:But both girls grew to love Amanda and she sort of played like a big sister role for them. Amanda would eventually start hanging out with the family and would even go on their boats and like go for day trips with them. She also worked at Build-A-Bear, so like, if you want an in with a kid, yeah, You've been at Build-A-Bear. Do we have those up here? We had not here in Von Mills they have one, oh yeah. And I think that if I went into Build-A-Bear it probably cost me upwards of $500.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to avoid that for the time being, but Amanda would bring them in and she would let them build their bears and I'm sure she got some sort of a discount. So how nice for her. Jamie was removed from the public for nearly three years, two years and nine months to be exact.
Speaker 2:Is that like like when you're in kind of cancer treatment, like you're immuno, compromised, kind of deal? Yes, I would assume. So you know.
Speaker 1:I'm not a hundred percent. I know hers in particular was if she was even to catch like a common cold she would elevate yeah.
Speaker 1:I think when you're on like the chemo and the radiation and stuff like that too, like you're just weak right? Yeah, Because it's like poison. Yeah, they're essentially trying to out poison the cancer before you. That's what they're doing. It's hard on the body. So on May 10th of 2005 is when Jamie considered herself in remission. She still had to go through a couple more things, but she was done with it. Jamie said that when she went back to school she kind of felt different than the other kids because she hadn't been around them for a really long time the kids that she had been around were kids that had cancer and some of them had passed away.
Speaker 1:So she also, on top of not fitting in with normal kids, she had like a survivor's guilt with hanging out with her friends from like the hospital and whatnot, which is just devastating.
Speaker 2:As a 10 year old, yeah, really.
Speaker 1:So she tried her best to battle, you know, whatever she was feeling, but she always felt weird, like even until into her twenties she still had demons with this. But Jamie would say that her stepfather, corey, who was her younger sister's biological father, treated the two girls very differently. Both sisters are interviewed in this Commando podcast and they both sound very sweet. Jamie would say that on special occasions and like Christmas and stuff, jamie would get little presents from Corey, like he was the breadwinner, so he was the one out spending the money and he would give her little presents. But then Jess would get like these big, boisterous gifts.
Speaker 1:And, like Jamie says in the podcast, she was like it's kind of hard not to feel like you're being compared to your sister. She was like you have the same sense, like you don't want to seem ingrateful.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So she's like I would always say like thank you so much, but like it's kind of hard on a 10 year old when your sister's getting these humongous things yeah. Which is speaks volumes for her, because I would have been like fuck this shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why the fuck don't I get that fucking Barbie dream? This is bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not gonna get that fucking power wheels. I've been wanting this fucking key chain, that's right.
Speaker 2:Where's the man? I'm gonna hit her over the head with this Barbie.
Speaker 1:Corvette, my kids have the. They did a lemonade stand the other day and I was like, okay, you guys are all going to do the lemonade stand, we'll break up the money. Blah, blah, blah. And so my little guy, he's got his power wheels, his Jeep, and he's just riding up and down the street and my daughter comes up to me and she's like um, do you think that there's any chance that, like, we can give Max a little bit less money? Because, like, he's just been riding his power wheels, like me and Jake Jacob was following people around with a recycling thing like getting their cups. These kids made over $100.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, why was the power wheels kid not doing skip the dishes with the lemonade stands, by the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've got the vehicle Go, she should be doing, running out doing deliveries- Olivia goes. See Olivia, she's my business cat, but she's also um, she doesn't have a good work model because she drinks a lot of her product and then she's peeing for like 50% and she'll tell the boys, you guys got to man the lemonade stand, make sure nobody takes any lemonade for free. And then they'll see a butterfly and we find them at the end of the street. So back to the story.
Speaker 2:What did you? How did you make the lemonade? Was it just like from frozen, or did you mix the powder?
Speaker 1:I don't want to give away my secrets, but it was from frozen. We had a variety. We had lemonade oh, we had lemonade and we had pink lemonade.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, same price, or you've throw an extra 25 cents on it.
Speaker 1:Like if we inflated it. I'm like lemonade. Do you know how small limes are? Guys Like it takes a lot more to get? Sorry, these are a dollar. That's awesome. So Corey would also cook for him and Jessa and would leave Jamie out of eating that's good for a kid.
Speaker 2:Eating that's nice.
Speaker 1:That's the most horrendous thing, but he just sounds like real awful dickhead stepfather. But that wouldn't last for long, because one day Jamie called her mother, alita, at work and told her that Corey had a U-Haul and that he was loading up garbage bags and he was moving and taking Jessa with him.
Speaker 2:Loading up garbage bags.
Speaker 1:Well, he was he threw all of his stuff and garbage bags and then he was loading up the U-Haul.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry we don't all have Louis Vuitton.
Speaker 2:No, or like boxes Louis Vuitton. We can't all be local celebrities man Gonna be hung over after bride.
Speaker 1:You've been saying pride for all of June. We're now in July. I know Like you're just finding cities that do different.
Speaker 2:That's right, I'm on the tour.
Speaker 1:So after the divorce from Alita was finalized, Corey then went ahead and married Amanda, the 17 year old. Oh, that was a builder bear Yet teaching his kids how to do cheer while she was in high school.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:And there was a 12 year age difference. But I mean, you know, the heart wants what the heart wants. I guess, Alita's sister moved into her home and helped her, kind of put her pieces back together and helped her with Jamie, Like as if this woman has a mentor. Now her daughter just battled cancer for two years you know, yeah. But you know what? I don't want to be married to a guy that's not feeding my fucking kid when he's making food for like kick stones bud. You know truthfully?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's kind of a real big piece of shit, like that's a CPS move.
Speaker 1:Like really, it really is. Like you're not going to feed a fucking baby who just went through cancer treatments. See you later.
Speaker 2:Don't let the door hitch on the way out and give me back my other kid.
Speaker 1:I just had a full converse. I'm really mad at him. I can see that. So Jess has said that as soon as Amanda became her stepmother she tried her best to like fall into like an authoritative role.
Speaker 2:It was a baby hairs. I'm not flyaways. Look, it just won't go away. You look phenomenal, by the way. You do too. No, you do.
Speaker 1:For someone who's hung over. Thank you, I mean, I would pay the $10. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:You can get all upon it. Wouldn't have to change my name either.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Right, I assume you only date by first name?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and males that join our Patreon only. That's too yeah. I'm not a kick other people out. Yeah, I'm like I don't need your $5 a month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like get out of here, Roger. I did date a Roger.
Speaker 1:Remember when I told you I could speak Portuguese?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was Roger Roger's a.
Speaker 1:Portuguese. Yeah, oh, so Jess has said that Amanda had become. You know, she's trying to like really hard, show that she's her mother and she's being very authoritative After Alita had received the news that she would now have to fight for custody of her daughter Because Corey said you know I want Jess and you're not getting her, Even though I'm the piece of shit that left and took her and wouldn't cook for the other kid.
Speaker 2:Now I was dating the lady from Build.
Speaker 1:Bear, yeah, exactly so. Alita said she tried to call Amanda because, despite the fact that this woman had essentially stole her husband, she was still kind of friendly with Amanda and she was able to, you know, talk to her and try to get Corey to come down off of his crazy rants. But Amanda said that she also felt like it would be best for Jess to only be with them and not to be with Alita, and so the battle between Corey and Amanda and Alita would begin. Amanda and Corey would have their first child, whose name was Carter, and soon afterwards Alita received news from Corey that Amanda had been diagnosed with cancer, specifically Hodgkin's lymphoma.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, mm-hmm. Regardless of the feud that Alita was having with the couple over her daughter's custody, she said that she was devastated by this news. She said that being with Jamie throughout her cancer journey made her realize that she would never wish this disease on even her worst enemy. And she said, like we all love Jessa, she's my daughter. Like you guys love her.
Speaker 2:Why can't we just share her Like? Why can't?
Speaker 1:we just all love her and why not? Yeah, exactly what was their, they were just greedy and wanted we will come to find out that they made up a whole bunch of bullshit, but I think at the root it was that he didn't want to pay child support for her, so wouldn't it be more expensive to actually have a kid.
Speaker 2:Would child support be the financially cheapest option for supporting a kid than having it Like keeping it 24 seven in your house? Thank you, I'm sorry. Is this super insensitive? I don't know, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1:Been keeping it 24 seven in your house. I meant the kids. I'm raising kids, Mine I don't keep in the house, so they're outdoor kids. Yeah, I just. There's a tether.
Speaker 2:We got the. Yeah, as far as the power wheels can go.
Speaker 1:Keeping it inside your house, oh my God. And then she thought to herself, like Amanda's going to be going through all these treatments. Like, doesn't it just make sense, isn't it easier for them if we just share her, maybe helping out with the load?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Amanda said you know that's not going to happen for us yeah. Amanda, you fucking jerk.
Speaker 2:Amanda is an idiot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but and then Amanda took to the internet, so now we're in 2012. So that means that she's obviously not 17 any longer, and it also means that TikTok and Instagram and all that kind of didn't exist, so blogs were the big thing. Are blogs still a? Thing?
Speaker 2:No, nobody cares about your blog.
Speaker 1:Oh, I should take my blog down then. Yeah, I don't even know where would you write a blog.
Speaker 2:Lin's things yeah.
Speaker 1:Lin's musings. I just I write it in word. Where do you post it?
Speaker 2:You put like cursive font with some sort of butterfly.
Speaker 1:That Taylor Swift song in the background, me just crying, oh God. So Amanda's blog was titled my Journey, Our Story.
Speaker 2:Oh God, I love it. What a jackass. Do we have any pictures from inside of Amanda's home? Do we know if there was a live laugh love sign? If there was a dance when nobody's watching?
Speaker 1:You know, I would be willing to bet one of my children that if she doesn't have a live laugh, love sign. Yeah, she got one for sure she for sure had one. Yeah, and would tell people that they have a light.
Speaker 2:Shine your light.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sing your song and tell your story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she probably started live, laugh, love. Yes, I'm almost certain of it. People like her become life coaches. You don't know how on point you are. All you had to hear was her title.
Speaker 2:You can tell the story now.
Speaker 1:So she said that she was posting because it wasn't just a wave to keep her friends and family on the know about what was happening with her cancer diagnosis, but she also wanted to be a resource for someone else who's you know. She said Google is not your friend, so she wanted to share her experiences.
Speaker 2:Google is not your friend.
Speaker 1:Well, it's really not. I mean, I've had cancer like three times this week, according to Google.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like why is one of my pupils bigger than the other?
Speaker 2:Cancer yeah.
Speaker 1:So at this point Amanda was 27 and she originally had been diagnosed with lupus before she got pregnant.
Speaker 2:What is lupus? It's an.
Speaker 1:Annie like autoimmune. Autoimmune. So, like yeah, you're just more susceptible to basically everything. So she got pregnant, she was diagnosed with lupus, but after the baby was born her blood counts dropped so drastically that the doctors saw that something was off. And after running some tests it was determined that Amanda would have a long journey ahead of her because you know, she had the Hodgkin's lymphoma and she'd be fighting this battle. But of course, amanda is not deterred.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:In her blog she talks about how amazing her husband is and how he tattooed just breathe on his ribs to inspire her to carry on.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, he's horseshit.
Speaker 1:Matt, she was inspired to carry on.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry Because of the tattoo on his ribs.
Speaker 1:He also held her hand as her head was shaved, and then he shaved his own head, just to show that they were a team. I will say this.
Speaker 2:I have been on some sort of TikTok algorithm, where it is. In the last couple of weeks I've seen about five or six videos of people at like the barber shop or whatever, getting their head shaved and then the barber does it on themselves. I just start wailing because the mom's like Matthew, turn that off.
Speaker 1:I can hear you up here.
Speaker 2:Your father and I are making whoopee, oh no.
Speaker 1:She's like to your dad. Why does he keep watching those bar shows? Why is he?
Speaker 2:He knows that he's doing rowing.
Speaker 1:He does this every night. You're like me, you like to feel pain. That's what happens in the Ronin song. I'm like, oh Wait, one more time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like if I was ever an actor and needed to cry, I would just watch. Or like dog come home from the military videos, or like yeah, that's shaving their heads, yeah, yeah. That's such a lovely sign.
Speaker 1:I think it's me. You have such a great head of hair, too, that you're just like. That's the biggest sacrifice one can make.
Speaker 2:Yeah some people don't have great hair, though I would shave my head though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would think, but what if it didn't grow back properly?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't, I wouldn't care, I think well, okay, would it? Okay, you mean thickness wise, or like color wise, or pattern.
Speaker 1:What if it came back and you had like the two bunny ears that came up?
Speaker 2:I'd be cool with that. Yeah, I got a pretty good stylist. She could bang those down, no problem.
Speaker 1:You know we've talked about your hair before, though, and you told me how Excited you are to have white hair like your dad, because he's got a full head of hair, so I don't know if I believe you and Actually funny.
Speaker 2:You say that I was looking at myself in the mirror the other day and I was trimming my beard and there's a lot of new grays and I was thinking about coloring it because it's just, it's a Little much for me right here on my chin.
Speaker 1:No, it's salt and pepper. That's like the end thing. I've seen George Clooney's like salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, pepper, pepper. It's like most recipes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't like. That's right, that's right. The pepper can't match this. It's through the roof in our society. So you're right. So I should leave it. Yeah, okay, definitely.
Speaker 1:All right, and you can't color it now because everybody's gonna know. Oh, I would tell people you would.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't hide it.
Speaker 1:I like to pretend that these blonde streaks in my hair, I was just born with them. Is that not your hair?
Speaker 2:I mean, die your hair. There's white, blonde. Oh, I'm colorblind. It just looks like different shades of light. I don't know how to describe here.
Speaker 1:You just look like you're a picture of the newspaper. So, yeah, cory, you know, great guy tattooed his body for. Amanda even talks about Jessa. She always calls her her bonus daughter.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. First of all, just call your fucking daughter, Okay it's not my daughter, it's Alita's daughter. Well, I mean, if you raise it as your daughter, I think that's okay.
Speaker 1:Stop calling children, it's please. Oh, did I up. If you raise it as your daughter raise. Raise a child if you have an indoor child, you should call your dog.
Speaker 2:If you've housebroken it.
Speaker 1:I'm worried for your future children. Do we tie this one up or?
Speaker 2:he's asking for things.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm not good with him. I'm trying to tie my beard in here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, papa's using just for men get it out of here, honey.
Speaker 1:So yeah, she always calls her her bonus daughter and she thanks her and her blog for being so supportive and sweet and says that the sickness is bringing them all closer as a family. Ah, you know, cancer. They call it a blessing in disguise. Wolf Amanda would post pictures of all of her treatments. She would show vials of her blood and her hair falling out.
Speaker 2:Mmm.
Speaker 1:She just wanted to show everybody, step by step, what she was dealing with. She would talk about being invited to charity events in support of a cure. She was posting regularly Until she wasn't. After constantly posting about her treatments and her journey, she stopped posting entirely for six months and then, after not posting for that long period of time, a picture popped up of her and her family and they were clearly in a celebration and a post about how she had beaten cancer. I'm gonna read you a bit of her post, because she is very charming and charismatic and it does come through a lot in her messages.
Speaker 2:Fine, go ahead Okay.
Speaker 1:So she said screw you cancer. I win 12 months of testing, eight months of chemotherapy and today is my day of bliss. We won.
Speaker 2:All right. I Thought she was faking it this whole time and didn't want to say anything, and now I don't know what the crap is going on.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that was Now. Well, hodgkin's lymphoma does have a five-year survival rate of about 86%, but sadly this is not worth. Amanda's story ends Sadly. A couple months after the emails saying that Amanda was in remission, her mother, peggy, sent out a mass I keep writing email because I'm apparently a 95 year old woman, but it's a blog. So she sent out a mass blog to all of Amanda's followers and it said that Amanda's cancer had been back. It started up again. Peggy includes that there will be a huge cost associated with her treatments and Amanda will require here comes, you know, like sweet, I didn't just talk shit about a poor, sick girl.
Speaker 1:Jackpots so you know, this financial burden was gonna hit this young, beautiful family and they were just hoping that, like if anybody could lighten that burden a little bit.
Speaker 2:And there's your bitch, and therein lies the piece of shit in the day.
Speaker 1:So during this time, amanda and Corey were looking for help with their new baby, because they have this new baby too right.
Speaker 1:Good move and they went to the home of a woman whose name was Mahasti. She had run a daycare for 32 years and Decided, upon meeting Amanda and Corey, that she was gonna care for their new baby Carter. Oh nice, hmm. And after a while it was brought to her attention that Corey had another daughter named Jessa. And you know she didn't ever hear about Jessa. So she was kind of just wondering and she asked Corey like what's with the new daughter deal? Yeah, is that an outdoor kid?
Speaker 2:Keep saying the bonus daughter Jonas, the bonus Jonas, what's, who's it? Like fries in the bag you do.
Speaker 1:I like her to the worst.
Speaker 2:Jonas's they're the worst, jonah.
Speaker 1:Do you want to talk about Selena Gomez for a second? Are you afraid of the backlash? What backlash? Everyone loves Selena. Why? Because she's gorgeous and she's sweet and she was on Barney okay, one for three.
Speaker 2:Okay, she was on Barney and she's gorgeous. If you don't think Selena Gomez is gorgeous, I'm gonna kick over this chair and walk out of the studio, right listen, I will not negatively speak about her looks, but I will just say that no, I do not find her Attractive but you know how.
Speaker 1:You were talking about your weird barber algorithm. Yes, my algorithm is 100% Selena Gomez and Haley Bieber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's because you look, you seek out that. I'm surprised it's not Hanson. Oh, I would be the only one making this algorithm ever mess up and give you Charles Manson stuff instead of Hanson, no, or Chris Hanson. Do you ever get Chris Hanson videos? That's EN. Oh, oh, obviously you fucking idiots.
Speaker 1:I don't know how I came back with that. Okay, first of all, those aren't the lyrics like there's lyrics. You're welcome.
Speaker 2:I am.
Speaker 1:Look like Taylor and some way. Now he's hot as hell, though. So he ended up telling Mahasti, this babysitter, that Jessa had been the result of a one-night stand. Okay, not true. No, he was married to her mother for four and a half years, but who am I? So he said he was trying to gain custody from her, as the mother of Jessa was not treating her properly, and Mahasti found this a little strange that this was the first she was hearing of this little girl, but she also welcomed Jessa into her home on this.
Speaker 1:Amanda was always Posting on her blog and on her Facebook and she would talk about the custody battle, with Jessa at the center, and at one point she stated that Alita was granted 90 days to turn her life around or Corey would be awarded full custody.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, this is what he told. This is what Amanda's posting on her blog. Okay, okay, okay, not from the courts directly.
Speaker 1:This is. I got yeah it's not she did not that none of that ever happened.
Speaker 2:Why lie so much?
Speaker 1:so boldly. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like that could easily be proven wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you lie about dead people, so they can ever correct you that. Everybody knows that you don't lie about you. Never lie About the living. It can always come back. That's what you've always taught me. Lie about the dead.
Speaker 1:I actually, every Saturday I will walk through a cemetery so that I can steal the names of dead people and, yeah, and have alter E, no, yeah, identities, oh, mm-hmm, cool yeah thank you, I like it. So yes, that was something that never happened. Alita was never said that she had 90 days to turn her life around.
Speaker 2:Also, can you do jack shit in 90 days if your life is so Small decisions, but I don't think 90 days to turn it around.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, she started off and she was homeless with a needle in her arm, and now look oh my god, she's living in a 1.5 million dollar home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I watched 90 day fiance. They got 90 days to have a wedding. They can't get shit done.
Speaker 1:Well, that's also because they're all dumb dumb. They're not bright. I you know what. I tried to watch that show. Oh, isn't it all like people are trying to get citizenship?
Speaker 2:Yes, that's awful. I know, I know it is so the system is so predatory, but I like it because some of the girls from like other countries are just absolute gold diggers.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they want to come to America, you're gonna sign up for the show.
Speaker 2:No, I will definitely sign up for the show, but they're like gold diggers and then the guys Lie about having gold to get dug. So it's just a great piece of shit stew.
Speaker 1:Have you ever watched some love after lockdown, love after lockup yeah, is the greatest.
Speaker 2:Do you watch it?
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, I don't, but I have one of my podcasts that I'm obsessed with. They do like a After the fact that they go over. So I watched a clip of I want to say Harry and Bronwyn yes, and this man comes at her tongue first. Yes, and she looks like she's going to Physically be ill. Yeah, she's back in jail now.
Speaker 2:Uh, she's back in jail. She was on OnlyFans for a little bit. She had a little porno career.
Speaker 1:She probably had to have a porno creative pay for all of her eyeliner, because that woman wears more Other than I've ever seen and she was.
Speaker 2:I think she was always high too. Because she was, she could never open her mouth when she was talking.
Speaker 1:She probably was worried his tongue would be in there.
Speaker 2:She'd be like oh, why do you? Keep on doing that. I don't want to. I'm just gonna stand here and study. She was taking and then she took her daughter to the strip club. They're all strippers. Like it's a generational stripper family. Like oh, your nana, your nana, be so proud of you. I made that part out, but everything else is true.
Speaker 1:She was revolted by her husband. Yes, and I kind of get it. Yeah, oh yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2:It's great because the love after lockup people fall in love with people in jail and, contrary to what you may think, there's internet access to you. There's internet dating websites for inmates.
Speaker 1:Do you think for a second that I don't have Lyle Menendez on my fucking face? But Like have we?
Speaker 2:met. That's correct, yes, I'm sure, I'm sure you do, but it's funny. So the girls and the, the guys that wanted to date so we'll call them the, the free people outside that want to date the inmates they all have control issues. So dating an inmate with control issues is perfect because, guess what? They're on lockdown, so you know where they are. They're not cheating. Well, if they are, it's not by choice.
Speaker 1:Um, it wasn't one of the other couples, so she was married to another woman that she was in jail with and she was like, coming out to see this guy yeah, I have the name in my head Probably. She was married to some chick and she was in love with her, and was it puppy no you don't remember puppy.
Speaker 2:I didn't watch the show. It was a good one.
Speaker 1:Her name was puppy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like legally probably not. I Wouldn't think that that's her Judeo Christian.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's you having a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, puppy, what's your name? Yeah, what's your kid?
Speaker 1:An hour ago and she's not. I have her dinner, I whatever.
Speaker 2:So yes, how they recommend it love after lock-up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you want to watch a woman almost vomit on someone's mouth, that's the show for you. Because, no, it was so disgusting, oh yeah he just comes at her and it's like every single kiss has to involve the tongue and it's like all the guys want to do is get laid. Dude, you don't have to go in tongue first.
Speaker 2:All the time. Take it easy there, yeah church tongue. Yeah, yeah, well, and he's like oh well, she's a stripper, so she's gonna be easy and this is gonna be great. I don't think he said that.
Speaker 1:the wall, that's the one thing he said that I heard was that he was like oh, and she had like a roommate, is that right? Bronwyn had a roommate, named, I think, mike, yes, and she was like there's no way that she just didn't tell this. My guy like make all these fucking rules that don't actually really exist. Just make sure that he doesn't think that we can fool around in your house.
Speaker 2:That's right, that was like the half-boy house guy or whatever. And he's like, okay, no sleepovers. Like no, you're not allowed to kiss inside the building.
Speaker 1:And her husband's like well, am I a little bummed. I'm a little bummed, but I get to spend the rest of my life with her.
Speaker 2:So what can I do? I know what a little weenie, poor bastard, honestly, and I just love it. They just, they all are just, they all deserve it.
Speaker 1:Have you had a chance to watch Vanderpump rules yet?
Speaker 2:No, I have not Perfect perfect. I will get on that.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you will. I'm gonna put money on it that you will. Okay, so we're back to Alita not having been just given 90 days. It was just something that this couple was lying about. They lied about a lot of things, but things were getting to Jessa now. So the daughter, and being how young she was, she started to believe that Alita Was an awful mum. Uh-oh yeah. So you know, amanda is sick and and she's still willing to stick her neck out there to help Jessa, apparently. But while fighting for Jessa and Amanda battling her disease, the couple were also financially struggling, of course, as you can imagine, having two young children in a custody battle, in chemotherapy appointments, and now she's also needing a bone marrow transplant. Corey submitted a bill to the court one of many, but the big one was 288,364.
Speaker 1:He submitted that to the court submitted it to the court with a written request to lower his child support Payments due to the medical bills that were accumulated Okay. Enter Nancy muscatello. Come on in dance. Oh, she's a hero. She is from Los Angeles. She's an investigative producer and a co-executive producer of the Scamander podcast. Why don't we have an investigative producer? I'm the investigative. Oh nice, and I'm just piggybacking on Nancy, yeah that's right. We're smarter, not harder. What?
Speaker 2:am I an associate producer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah jackpot yeah, oh. I mean also international celebrities.
Speaker 2:So that is true, that is true and uh, thirst trap poster.
Speaker 1:and sex, oh my god.
Speaker 2:Did you just say sex trafficker? I said sex symbol, Wow thank god.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like it's time to come clean.
Speaker 2:I could barely handle my commute to work. You think I can smuggle people?
Speaker 1:So this woman is incredible. She received a anonymous tip about Amanda Riley and they gave Nancy all of Amanda's information and Nancy was absolutely hooked by Amanda's posts and about all the details and the pictures that were included in every post. Nancy had been in the background for a little bit by now. She didn't want to make herself known, she didn't want to show her hand, as they say, until she absolutely had to. But when Amanda's brothers launched a support Amandacom, nancy quietly made note of who to contact with inquiries as per the website and she continued on with her. Under the radar investigation, cori and Amanda had to file for chapter seven bankruptcy. Uh, with all that was happening for them. But luckily Caring donators seemed to be coming out of the woodworks and the hashtag team Amanda seemed to be taking off Live, laugh, laugh.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, amanda strong yeah.
Speaker 1:Amanda's father even had a bunch of bracelets with that hashtag on it, and if you donated you got yourself a bracelet.
Speaker 2:Oh, of course.
Speaker 1:People would also donate straight to Amanda, you know like cash 10 bucks yeah. Um services. Sports memorabilia would be donated For real, though. Amanda's family even had a pamphlet that they made up so that they could give it to all these Teams or bands or stuff like that, so that they saw what they were. Giving, giving things to yeah.
Speaker 1:And, of course, kind people arranged a meal delivery System for Amanda and her family, because it was tough for Amanda to come home from treatment and have to throw herself into making dinner. Peggy would Peggy is her mom would take to social media and talk about how grateful she was for all the love and support that people were giving to her daughter. Okay, if I say this again I apologize but I have to bring it up, but journey and Another well-known band, um foreigner.
Speaker 2:Vodka? No, it's current like it's not.
Speaker 1:Journey is like the old queen Queen is.
Speaker 2:Matt, we need to talk.
Speaker 1:Adam Lambert, adam Lambert's not. Oh, okay, I did hear about that. Boom Shaka, like I'm, like Freddie Mercury, we, okay, we need to talk. This is Barbara Walters all over again. But no, they would donate like autograph guitars and stuff like that for her to raffle off and so she would make all the the monetary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weird, like you, you could just go, and well, I guess it's not that weird they had a pamphlet.
Speaker 1:That's a fish, that's I. Ever want people to believe something about me, I hand them a pamphlet.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's folded in third, if I have to unfold that bitch.
Speaker 1:I believe it, oh my god. So then came smorgasbord news. Amanda's blog said that Amanda was known soft for mission Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, you look unimpressed. Well, I mean, I just like I just I don't know.
Speaker 2:I had a hard time believing on anything of her In her horseshit, but I'm trying to. Is it the live laugh, laughing. It is the live let's, you know what it's the bad cell in the bracelets? Yeah yeah, my dad's never made a bracelet for me.
Speaker 1:So there's that. So she would continue on. She would have to have this expensive Inhibitor drug. Oh, is that a word? My inhibitor is definitely a word.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. What? Like the queen? Like the queen, no, I said one word right.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, she would have to carry on with this drug just to be safe. But that was only the beginning of the good news. What would soon follow would be nothing shy of a miracle. Soon after the post about being in self-remission, amanda posted saying that, despite her chemo and despite having an iud, and Her oncologist had pulled her aside and told her that she was pregnant oh, come on with a miracle baby.
Speaker 2:Okay, also, I just learned how iud's work the other day, so like the other day.
Speaker 1:What were you doing?
Speaker 2:um, I forget.
Speaker 1:The girl that explained it to you was like you forgot gather gather. Okay. So they wanted to keep the baby safe, obviously. So the doctor said to her like for the first two trimesters We'll give you the chemotherapy, and for the third, just to ensure the baby's good, we're gonna wean you off. Makes perfect sense. That's how chemo works.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay. Yes, you can poison Only two trimesters worth of baby.
Speaker 1:Some would say some of the most formative months right, I mean the blasting poison, okay.
Speaker 2:And then you got to pull off. Okay, yes, as long as you pull back for three months, you should be okay, I guess.
Speaker 1:No, that's exactly how it works. Cool. Yeah, you can also like binge drink wine for two out of the three trimesters.
Speaker 2:Nice, that's great Cool.
Speaker 1:Don't come to us for medical advice please. So friends were worried. They didn't want Anything to happen to Amanda. You know like what if her cancer Metastasized during the last trimester, that she was not on the chemotherapy. But Amanda was Set in her ways. She was gonna bring this baby into the world and she didn't care what effect that would have on her.
Speaker 2:She didn't care if she's bringing it into poison or whatever. Yeah, no, no, she's like I'm doing it.
Speaker 1:I'm doing it, bringing it in her family, would even say to her like you know, you have a baby here. Don't you think that it's best for you to Be here for that baby? Um, but no, she did not think that. So, of course, as Nancy muscatello is watching all of this unravel, the storyline is getting less and less believable and more and more salacious. Amanda was embraced by her community and especially by her church, which was actually a mega church and it was called the family community church. They also referred to it as the FCC.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you know me.
Speaker 1:And they put Amanda on a pedestal. She was Very highly regarded. They respected her, they cherish her, even someone say. Unfortunately for Amanda, though she was really gonna need to lean on her community. Because, when she was only 38 weeks pregnant with her miracle baby, her cancer returned wait. What's, what are your questions?
Speaker 2:No, I just think that's, that's okay. No, it's fine, it makes sense. It's fine, it's good, I'm good. I wish I had flashcards for this one.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I I should have you've spoiled me now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, because now I can't follow Dick you're like in real life too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Her cancer returned, but Connor lee riley was born. Um and through tests it was determined that Amanda's cancer had actually spread to her right lung. But she did actually have a baby. She had the baby.
Speaker 2:Okay, baby was fine, healthy almost like there wasn't Giant vats of chemotherapy being poured into the what are you?
Speaker 1:saying I have a theory, you, it's a. It's a working theory. I can see it.
Speaker 2:It's a working theory that maybe, um, and I honestly kind of thought the baby was a lie too. But uh, I think a lot, if not all, of this cancer stuff is. Uh, I'm happy a little ps.
Speaker 1:You know what? I think you're reading too far into the title skamanda. I don't lean all the way into it because you just never know. Because they called her scan and yeah, yeah, so it had spread to her right lung and now she was reclassified as having stage 4 terminal cancer. Oh, so what do you think now, matt?
Speaker 2:I think she's still falling, and now she's cranking it up a notch stage for my dude.
Speaker 1:That's not good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nope, that means that we need those donations now journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right and don't stop believing is what they always say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, soles, keep that fucking guitar.
Speaker 1:There make some money. It was beginning to look like the only thing that would save Amanda would be a miracle money.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, I would think more money as well, but also a miracle.
Speaker 1:But of course in her time of need the people around her really helped pick up the slack. Their babysitter, mahoste, remembers being woken up in the middle of the night Once by Corey who was on the other end and he was saying that Amanda had had her treatment at the hospital and the kids were sleeping and he thought do you mind going and picking up Amanda? In Hindsight it might have seen weird that Amanda was being picked up from the ER entrance.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, not the cancer center at the time, mahasti was more than happy to help. So she drove you know, it was a bit of half an hour drive out of her way picked up Amanda and brought her home. She even offered to help her get into the house, but Amanda didn't need help, you know, she was a strong.
Speaker 2:She's just getting her strength yeah. Just breathed remember just the word grace.
Speaker 1:Oh, off the ribs so Amanda had even made friends with a girl who was at the young adult club that she Attended through her church. Her name was Cherise Valdez, and she would often House sit, babysit, even pets sit for Amanda.
Speaker 2:She needed any kind of sitting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was a sitter.
Speaker 2:Great Sir hated to stand. Never did stand up?
Speaker 1:No, absolutely not. Don't even ask her to do it. I don't care what stage you're in, but she would even visit her in the hospital on many occasions. You might be wondering how that worked Well if she wasn't sick, matt.
Speaker 2:Mmm.
Speaker 1:So Amanda was very charming, she was pretty and she was bubbly. She was well spoken and charismatic. Everyone that knew her loved her and she always seemed as though she was putting her best foot forward. She had been shaving her head because, according to Amanda, the cleanup of the hair falling out was getting to be too much. But people didn't notice how good Amanda looked like. She was always Right made up and, luckily for Amanda, her hair was falling out, but she somehow managed to keep her eyebrows and eyelashes.
Speaker 2:Oh Right, that's not supposed to happen. There's no hair that's left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, one day pastor chase Wiggins called Amanda and told her that he would be setting up a prayer circle for her. I'm gonna set up a prayer circle for you, amanda. Okay, how old do you think this pastor is?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say he's a 71, 23.
Speaker 1:What can you be a pastor at 23?
Speaker 2:Wow, that's weird. I guess you could give up having sex at any age.
Speaker 1:I don't think pastors have to give up. I think that's only catholics.
Speaker 2:I don't know the difference Is a pastor or father?
Speaker 1:Matt, don't put me on the spot.
Speaker 2:Oh fine, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I have been to the mountaintop and I have seen the problem wasn't 7th heaven father, a pastor, yes, and he had five kids, yes, so banging was on.
Speaker 2:He's also a fucking creep in weird life, yeah do you watch the guy on tiktok that reviews the 7th heaven?
Speaker 1:No, but I'm sure it's problematic.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna send it to you, please do. It is phenomenal, the episodes were. He who's like can I just talk about how problematic the 7th heaven was? And then he's like the hickey episode one of the kids.
Speaker 1:One of the kids, lucy probably no, I think it was Simon.
Speaker 2:Simon's like a child, you know, simon gave a girl a hickey, I think, or. And then they were like showing it off, and or there's a marijuana episode where the mom's like, um, I've tried pot, and the pastor dad's like what, you didn't tell me this we've been married for how long?
Speaker 1:and he's like well, I'm a pedophile and she's yeah, that's right, that's right. So, yes, pastor chase Wiggins called her. He said, uh, they're gonna do a prayer circle for her, which is great. He seemed really enthused she replied to him that she needed A specific kind of prayer. Let's do a money circle donations have drastically dwindled. She said if I don't get this treatment, I won't see new years.
Speaker 2:Are there people in the states, I guess, that probably just fucking die because they don't have money for medical expenses.
Speaker 1:That is something that really got me when I was researching this that this is possibly something that could happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's heartbreaking really.
Speaker 2:I know when I live in the states, one of my mom's friends. I had a kid in whatever the 80s and we was paying it off for the rest of her life. There's like a couple of dollars a a month or something.
Speaker 1:She's on some payment plan for like 40 to have a kid through c Section is like almost 30 grand, I believe. Wow, because it's the surgery as well. Right, you have to have like, so you're looking at almost a honey.
Speaker 2:Like my kids are, I'm sitting on a fucking gold mine over there.
Speaker 1:Damn right, I'm gonna bring them inside one of these days plus.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:But no.
Speaker 2:I'm in that. That was mad, by the way, my man.
Speaker 1:Have you ever watched that michael more documentary sicko. Yes, I believe I have and the guy had to choose between his ring finger and his middle finger because he got them chopped off in like a work accident. Right and he said that he chose his ring finger because he's an eternal Romantic at heart. Oh my god. There was another one where this little beautiful baby was having a asthma attack and they brought her to the wrong hospital. That wasn't covered by their insurance and they sent her away and she died.
Speaker 2:I Jesus.
Speaker 1:Isn't? Don't you take an oath to like make people Right before you send them away, like just?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, the only thing I can think of is that that cases like that don't even make it to the doctors. I think that's all it meant. Oh my god like, uh, yeah, that's, that's crazy and I know, listen, ours isn't the greatest. We have to wait a shit ton, but my god, it's a lot better than a lot of places in the world.
Speaker 1:I know it's true. It really is true. It's heartbreaking for them to be such a Progressive country like you just yeah in some ways, and then yeah. Like obama, care started to kind of get things on the right track. I think, didn't it?
Speaker 2:I think so. Yeah, I know that there's, you know, a lot of people. They didn't like it. I know there's a lot of people that benefited from it. I, you know a lot of people that thought it was horseshit and couldn't get the website to go. So I mean, it's all that.
Speaker 1:I'm sure this is very controversial, but everything obama did, I absolutely. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I did and he's handsome, so that didn't hurt either.
Speaker 2:My wife uh, michelle Doesn't like that comment.
Speaker 1:He thought his wife was so hot, I know, and that's one of the most attractive things about him, so that's where I sit down on that.
Speaker 2:I wonder what he does now.
Speaker 1:Probably gulfs and bangs his way. I mean, you can't say that about your Wow.
Speaker 2:A former president of the united states of america.
Speaker 1:He has to have some respect in his daughter smokes darts now no who smokes darts anymore Like who just starts smoking darts because he smoked it.
Speaker 2:He was like one of the Rare presidents that was an active smoker.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have to ask you never to speak better than that.
Speaker 2:And I guess one of his daughters picked it up.
Speaker 1:Did you ever see this podcast going off the rails?
Speaker 2:But did you ever see the um.
Speaker 1:When he roasted trump before trump was president. Yeah, and he talks about how Trump had to decide between sending home meatloaf and something else he's like. These are the things that would keep me up at night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right from the apprentice.
Speaker 1:And he's like this is actual footage of my birth and it's Simba from the lion king.
Speaker 2:I'll make comes out to hulk kogan's theme song. I am a real american like I Know what.
Speaker 1:I think on one of the last episodes you had to remind me that hawaii was part of the state.
Speaker 2:So me and trump.
Speaker 1:You're like, uh, the mainland. I'm like, yeah, but they went from hawaii back there. And you're like, but it's the hawaii's part of the state. So I'm like, oh, and I looked it up when I got home it's, it was the 50th. So oh, wow, oh yeah last one the last one the last hold out so you know, of course, amanda said that she needed a particular type of donation or a particular type of prayer and, of course, the church threw many fundraisers for her.
Speaker 1:On one occasion, amanda posted about having Passed out like she fainted at church. Uh, she said that pastor chase had been on a roll.
Speaker 2:Uh pastor chase was was really killing with the sermon on some day was on fire.
Speaker 1:She didn't want to interrupt, but she was feeling very unwell and dizzy from the Jesuits.
Speaker 2:He's going to a new testament dance into the old testament. He picked up a little bit from the Quran. It was fucking amazing You're doing interfaith. It was not. That's what you get when you got a 23 year old pastor.
Speaker 1:That's right, he jumps he's like.
Speaker 2:So I was on TikTok the other day.
Speaker 1:He's vaping up there. Listen, don't at the devil okay, you hear what I was saying she hears me.
Speaker 2:So, Amanda was feeling dizzy.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, she did want to interrupt because he was on a roll bingo. Bongo, you can't mess with that flow oh and uh, she had reached to the point where she absolutely needed water. She was going to pass out. So she passed out as she was leaving the church embarrassingly, she had emptied her bladder upon losing consciousness.
Speaker 2:I think the holy water's got a leak in it and it's going bad. What's his name, pastor? Pastor chase, pastor Tom.
Speaker 1:So the whole church circled around her and held hands.
Speaker 2:Uh, why? Usually, when somebody falls and pees themselves, you form a circle point and laugh. I don't know why they, why they come Rotary.
Speaker 1:But they prayed upon her like not like pervert, like kind of just like they were actually praying.
Speaker 2:I hope that they um prayed for you know fucking scott towels and maybe some sort of febriels.
Speaker 1:And those are your sundays best.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's a real fucking problem, oh shit.
Speaker 1:But as they did this, they waited for the ambulance to figure out, which just seems more helpful than just the circling Um. At the next church event that amanda would speak at, her whole family would stand up with her. So she's got the two babies. She's got quarry, her husband and her bonus daughter, jessa, and they would, you know, tell their story how they were struggling, and churchgoers would literally come up in front of them and place money at her feet. Geez, you can actually. There's a picture of this online, so if you google her, you can see her like she's got her head down and like people are just walking get out of here, does just cash all over that is so gross.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, by this event, it completely wiped out their medical bills, which were apparently over four thousand dollars a month, but of course she was still silently being watched, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, nancy pants.
Speaker 1:Nancy pantsy. She was becoming obsessed with amanda's posts and anything that amanda was saying that was specific enough she would fact check.
Speaker 2:You think nancy laughed when she read about her peeing in church.
Speaker 1:I did, I did. That is committing to the bit, though.
Speaker 2:It is. I mean. I'm not saying she's scamming anyone, but If she was, I mean, those are two things you could easily fake like well, you could actually pee yourself and then pretend to faint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or you got a poop. Yeah, oh, faint oh.
Speaker 2:In there, in there this morning.
Speaker 1:That's why you're wearing those weird pants.
Speaker 2:You're wearing your poofy underwears.
Speaker 1:It depends, don't worry about it you saying you're like don't worry about.
Speaker 2:I am, we'll just do another quick sidetrack and then I'm sure I don't understand.
Speaker 1:We never sidetrack.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It was because I go to the pharmacy in Costco so I always see the men's diapers you want to talk about. Probably the best male model gig is the male diapers. They're just having the greatest time with no leaks. Next time you're shopping, look at the the models.
Speaker 1:Isn't it just a shot of their legs?
Speaker 2:No, it's a guy, what's he doing, sometimes wearing a shirt, never wearing pants, and he's just. Yeah, that's right. But they're having so much fun and they're so confident. Now, just like back in the day, their prostate grew the size of a grapefruit. Now they got a pee all the time.
Speaker 1:Do you know Lisa Rinna from the housewives? Oh yeah, she was in. It depends commercial. Oh yeah, yeah, nice, before the housewives came along.
Speaker 2:She's hot. She was in playboy too.
Speaker 1:She's a goddamn nightmare. I mean, yeah, I like her a lot too. I would. Are we saying the same thing, or I think so I.
Speaker 2:Have to listen back, but I think so.
Speaker 1:I cannot stand that woman. I love her. I would love to ram her head into a wall.
Speaker 2:I would love to also ram her End of Sancton's for you, you just look down.
Speaker 1:Yeah at your stuff.
Speaker 2:No, it's looking down at your stuff, Jesus.
Speaker 1:I'm over here.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry.
Speaker 1:It's your stuff You're looking at. You make sure you didn't pee yourself Not having as good of a time as this guy selling the depends box.
Speaker 2:If only oh shit okay.
Speaker 1:So Nancy was doing her thing, she was fact-checking at like. If Amanda would say a specific Hospital or something, nancy would call as she was being watched. Amanda was getting free meals, free outings, backstage meet and greets, free diapers for the baby. Maybe it just said diapers. You know, I yeah, I took the leap and said for the baby.
Speaker 2:Well, some you may not know this triple C section, but some women wear diapers after they give birth For ever nope, just for a little while oh.
Speaker 1:Is it because of pee or blood?
Speaker 2:that I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh well, you should probably get your facts straight before you come on here and start naming individuals for giant dumps.
Speaker 2:Who knows? Again, don't know for sure what happens during pregnancy.
Speaker 1:People are like. I Laugh so hard every time Matt talks about Pregnancies because he really has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2:There's very few things that one thing I know is wrestling about yes, about women. This is kind of my go-to. Blanket statement about women is that, on average, women don't wear the proper fitting bra. They just don't know.
Speaker 2:They've never been to a proper fitting and I feel like this is gonna turn into you asking people if you can help them Find their size no, but it's my one little fact that I always like bust and whenever I meet somebody and this happens more often than not Somebody who's in like a ladies, like a garment industry.
Speaker 1:Matt, please tell me you're not just walking up to women Telling them most women aren't wearing the right size bra.
Speaker 2:No, there was a lady who owns like a lingerie store that I met when I was working at a cake store.
Speaker 1:This is all my experience, I know and. I was like working at a cake store for the radio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, next door was a bra and lingerie shop and then we were kind of talking and I was like, did you like fittings? Because that's pretty important. She's like yeah, and I said, did you know that? She's like, yes, I didn't know that you knew that. So that's right. It's my one fact about women than I know. I.
Speaker 1:Have a feeling this is gonna turn predatory. You look uncomfortable. Come here. I'll tell you what you're wearing a seat, well, you need a D, for sure.
Speaker 2:You know what air? Let me grab my scissors. Let's cut you to that beige prison.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, she's like um, I'm just trying to bite cake dude. Yeah, I just wanted a cake aren't you from the fucking radio station? Why are you here?
Speaker 2:Oh. So back to this yes, I promise I will no longer.
Speaker 1:No, that's what you're here for and I really enjoy your predatory behavior.
Speaker 2:You're pre-predatorial.
Speaker 1:Like we're gonna need a lot of this for evidence. One yeah, so yeah, she was getting backstage meet and greets, free diapers, monetary gifts and you know these were all incentives that you would get these gifts from like bands and sports people, sports players, athletes, maybe sports players what do they do? Man Athletics, sports. Yeah, so yeah, she was getting these two enticed people to make monetary donations, like journey and Leanne rhymes there you have it brutal oh yeah, and then she'll fuck your husband.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, eddie Cibrian.
Speaker 1:Cibrian yeah, look at you so. And the custody battle against Alita, of course, was still going on.
Speaker 2:Oh, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I wish Amanda would have. But she was claiming that Alita was abusing Jessa and was an active drug user. More specifically, they claimed that Alita had once shown up at their home and was doing wheelies out front of their house.
Speaker 2:Is that a drug?
Speaker 1:like wheelies in her car, like oh. I'm such an idiot, oh my god that's some sort of a new Drug that the kids are doing.
Speaker 2:You want to go back and do some wheelies?
Speaker 1:Yeah, fuck yeah is it the outdoor kids? They're the ones doing the kids doing the wheelies. You know what? That's why I always say keep your kids indoor. Kids, that's right, smoking wheelies. And of course, alita strongly denies these allegations.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Alita's attorney believes that the reason for the intensity of the custody battle all boils down to money and Cori and Amanda not wanting to pay the child support to Alita for Jessa. But at the end of it all, cori and Amanda were granted full custody of Jessa.
Speaker 2:Come on.
Speaker 1:Jessa could only speak with her mother on the phone and it always had to be Very superficial because Cori and Amanda would have rules of things that she was allowed to discuss with her mother and not discuss with her mother. Really, now here's something that's a little crazy. So we're gonna go for a second in the way back machine to 2010, and Jessa was in school and she was telling classmates about how terrible her biological mother was and how terrific and amazing her stepmother was. One of those kids went home and told his mom about what Jessa was saying and in turn, that mother called the school, worrying about the possibility Of, you know, maybe, abuse going on at the bio mom's house. But oh, wow, the school then turned around and called Amanda and informed her what Jessa was saying and how it was making some of the parents worry. Well, amanda got the number for that mom and called her.
Speaker 1:Oh God, she explained to this woman the custody battle and whatnot, and this phone call led into a type of school mom friendship, and the other couple so that she was becoming friends with were named Lisa and Steve. So Amanda and Cori ended up hanging out a bunch with Lisa and Steve and the kids got along well, so that's pretty much all you can ask for. During one of their get-togethers, lisa was on the topic of a fundraiser. That had just happened for a father of A family that went to the same school. He had grown up in the community, so everyone came together and they were able to put together a hundred thousand dollars for his treatment.
Speaker 1:Well, the very next day, in 2010, amanda called Lisa to tell her that she had been holding something from her. Oh, do you want to guess what it is?
Speaker 2:I think that she has been some sort of superhero, has a secret identity and it's been doing something at night. I don't know if it's fighting crime, some sort of vigilante.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go ahead. I'm starting to feel like you're not picking up what the cues I'm putting out there, really. Oh Well, amanda told Lisa that she, too, had cancer. So let's just keep in mind we went back to 2010 and Amanda had not even started her blog until 2012. Oh, she does not have either of her two sons yet. Remember, with her first son, she was originally diagnosed with lupus then, because her blood counts were off After the baby was born.
Speaker 1:That's when we started to test right so, oh, weird enough, she actually had cancer in 2010.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Lisa said within two weeks of this Declaration she was picking up Jess from school because Amanda was two weeks from all the treatments. But that's not even the craziest part. Cory ended up confiding in Steve Lisa's husband at one of their get-togethers that Amanda had stage four and she was terminal.
Speaker 2:It only gets better like how deep does this ago? Will we find out how deep hold? Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:She only had mere months to live, mad months near, near.
Speaker 2:It's like five tops.
Speaker 1:You're right, tops Lisa already had her spidey senses tingling just solely based on timing. But another thing that didn't sit well with her was she was once again watching Jessa as Amanda was having her treatments done, and she had told Amanda when she was done just to come around back and they would all be swimming in the pool. And that's what Amanda did, and her hair was up in a ponytail and she had one of those tiny little circle bandages. You know the ones that are like only good enough if you've just had an injection of some sort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're still purpose yeah but when these asked her what the bandaid was for, amanda told her that she had water drained off of her brain. This seems strange to Lisa, so she called a friend of hers who was enrolled at Stanford Medical University and was actually an oncology student and asked her if a patient had fluid drained from their brain, would they only require the world's smallest bandage? And her friend's response was are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:No, yeah, they just saw open your skull.
Speaker 1:I would think, or drill, yeah just a little tiny one right there. And not only that, amanda was also swimming under the water after having fluid drained from her brain.
Speaker 2:With a direct line, you would think right back and now she's diving in kids.
Speaker 1:I Don't think that's great for brains. You heard it here first. So Lisa was really starting to doubt what Amanda was saying. But instead of having a huge confrontation, lisa simply figured that they really didn't know each other all that well. They could essentially just ghost Amanda before ghosting was a thing and quarry and carry on with their lives. And it would even be made that much easier because Amanda had invited Every single one of the kids from Jess's class to their home for her birthday. The only problem was that the guests arrived and this house was very, very clearly out of the school's jurisdiction. Mm-hmm and one of the parents had reported them, and Jessa had to leave the school.
Speaker 1:Wow so their kids weren't even in the same school anymore, so Lisa really didn't have to worry about yeah you know, running into her, but Amanda was relentless with her calls and she didn't appear to be giving up. So finally, lisa picked up and Amanda blurted out that she was pregnant. Lisa responded by saying I thought you were dying. To which To which Amanda boldly proclaimed oh well, the pregnancy is reversing the disease. Oh. I didn't know that could do that. Well, you're not a doctor but I am, and that's exactly how it works exactly how it works.
Speaker 1:So obviously Lisa got off the phone knowing full well that this woman was absolutely full of shit and she said she easily forgot about that fucking circus. But if you will recall, in the blog she said she was diagnosed with lupus. You know, blood counts were off and the baby came and turns out it was Hodgkin's lymphoma. But it turns out Amanda had been terminally ill before the blog even ever existed.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:She's had a really rough go to be here. Like how many times does one poor girl have to be terminal before it's enough is enough?
Speaker 2:in her case, I think it looks like half a dozen few. I would think for sure.
Speaker 1:So that's where I'm gonna stop the first episode. That's it. We're gonna get into part two. If you're a patron, part two will already be up. If you're not, we'll catch you next week lucky. And you've probably got some weird card from Matt. If you're a patron, premptively just I'm gonna apologize.
Speaker 2:I look forward to a creepy DM about your bra size.
Speaker 1:He's helping he's just helping okay and we'll be back in a week.
Speaker 2:So goodbye.