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The Dating Game Killer Part 2
TRIGGER WARNINGS once again,
In the final act, we uncover the harrowing details of Alcala's trial and the controversial actions of the California Supreme Court. We also share the bone-rattling encounter of Cheryl Bradshaw, a contestant on the Dating Game, with Alcala. The gut feelings that saved her life stand as a stark reminder of the importance of trusting one's instincts. This episode is a deep exploration into a dark chapter of criminal history, illuminating the stories and theories that continue to haunt us to this day. Tune in to this haunting narrative that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about the human psyche and the world of true crime.
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Welcome to Everything Scary. My name is Lynn and I'm here with my co-host local celebrity, sorry, sorry, international celebrity. Thank you, matt McClain.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Every Tuesday we release a new episode, mostly true crime, but we've also been known to cover a pandemic, a haunting, a super mad, super strong chimpanzee. We'll cover anything and everything scary. Please rate us five stars and join us on Instagram at Everything Scary Pod. Here we go. Hello, hello, hello, wow.
Speaker 2:I didn't know you were Want me to go and do a little whinel. Yeah, that'd be great. Is it me you're looking for?
Speaker 1:I can see it in your eyes.
Speaker 2:I can see it in your fries, your fries, okay, even though you're feeling lonely, I love you. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:It's the eye contact for me. I can't yeah you love it, I can't keep forgetting to get you sunglasses yeah because you are falling for me. Yes, I need to put a barrier up.
Speaker 2:I knew it, got it, I knew it you got it.
Speaker 1:So welcome back to our horrific coverage of Rodney Alcala.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how is this part going to be worse than the first part?
Speaker 1:How about this? I promise you it's worse than the first part.
Speaker 2:Okay, awesome yes.
Speaker 1:So the dating game killer? Again, I have to give an in general trigger warning. If you're sensitive to anything, it's not for you. I thought it was like, if you like, game shows this is going to trigger you, if you like, peanut coladas which I do. Okay, good, good, good, good. Unfortunately, we have only scratched the surface with this horrible waste of skin, so hang on to your butt, all right. When we last left off, this ditch pig had murdered and beaten.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God and her skeletal remains were found 11 months later. Something crazy that was going on parallel to all of this is, you know, rodney, splitting up his time between New York and California, new York had the son of Sam killer, aka the chubby behemoth, is what he called himself in one of his letters. Really yeah, he killed six and injured almost a dozen people between 76 and 77. He said he was forced to hurt these people because of a demon that lived in his neighbor's dog and was making him do it, so he was killed. In California, there were the Hellside Stranglers who were raping, murdering women between 77 and 78. And, of course, joseph D'Angelo, who was Golden State killer, who was torturing people and killing them all through the 70s and the 80s. He was finally caught in 2018.
Speaker 2:So this guy is like bi-coastal pieces, shitting it in like the golden era of Of serial killers, wow.
Speaker 1:I have a theory on serial killers, all right, so.
Speaker 2:What is it? This is a hot take.
Speaker 1:They're like they're jerks, you know what I don't?
Speaker 2:think they have a big conscience. Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb to say they're probably not that great, and you want to talk about not thinking about the consequence of your actions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, serial killers, am I right? So knock on wood that we are not right now seeing this type of serial killer boom and hopefully we never do again. Let's hope that we don't, you know, with all the CCTV and the cell phone towers and social media, all that I'm sure plays a role in that. But bear with me and I just have to detour for a quick second, because, first of all, imagine being a cop in the 70s.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Like you don't even have any of these things to like. Look at Like you're just yelling into the streets like son of Sam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. No computer. Well, there are, but they're like the size of a building. Yeah Right, you've got your radio, your gun.
Speaker 1:Olden state killer.
Speaker 2:You guys in here, you strangling people by the hillside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are we all watching the hillside tonight, cause that's where they do it guys.
Speaker 2:All got a man up at the hillside they were going to meet there at dusk and then just use your radio or blow your whistle. If you see any strangling.
Speaker 1:I don't have my whistle. Use your mouth, use your gun, Shoot the strangler Tom. So here's my theory. Lead paint, oh yeah, We've all heard of it, but in the 1950s lead paint was all the rage. I once saw an advertisement in an old National Geographics. It was an ex-boyfriend of mine. His dad had like it was like from 1934.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that way you broke up with him. Yeah, totally your dad. He's a hoarder.
Speaker 1:So later, but there was a list of all the things that lead is good for. It was like painting kids toys, pipe making oh nice. The list goes on and on. Well, nowadays we know that lead paint poisoning is a real thing and that's why it's been banned here since 1976. But in the 50s, kids were sucking on toys that were painted with lead paint.
Speaker 1:Let me know, there's lead paint walls, and the symptoms of lead poisoning aren't immediately shown until unless, of course, your levels are so high they're incompatible with life, in which case you'll either die or you'll fall into a coma. The effects of lead are especially seen in children, because it gets into their growing bones and then it's there forever. Wow, yeah, and it all goes into your organ systems and can result in learning disabilities, adhd, poor impulse control, aggressive behavior. In Rochester, new York, they actually have certifications for painters that if your home is older than the 1970s, they have to come, and there's a safe way to strip your house of the paint so that it doesn't get born into the air Like as fast as like clearing.
Speaker 1:Exactly, wow. And to keep it contained so that you know if it's airborne. Kids inhale it. It goes right into your bones and think over 10 micrograms per disilliter is grams for concern. Okay.
Speaker 2:So a gram is about 15 bucks, okay, and then a half quarters about 40, 25, 35,.
Speaker 1:If you know a guy, no guy. But if you don't know how to decipher those measurements, don't look at me, because I just have the numbers. Oh my God, what Wait? One thing that I did watch was a segment with two young men, both of who were diagnosed with lead poisoning, and they got it as toddlers. One guy had a level of 47 and that led to a bunch of learning disabilities. The other guy had levels of almost 200. Whoa, and his disabilities are so severe that he will not be able to live separately from his parents. These were two perfectly normal toddlers, really. And now all that is basically just to say that I've always found the sheer amount of serial killers in the 70s and 80s to be insane, and at the same time, I think that you know these dickheads committing the crimes we also had. You know we had at this exact time we had Lawrence Bittaker, donald Beasley, btk, ed Kemper. Ted Bundy was in a different state, like all these guys are doing the same thing.
Speaker 1:So all that to say that I really believe that lead paint could have had something to do with it. I mentioned that we banned it here in 1976. It only got banned in China in 2007, and we could still import things from China that had lead in it.
Speaker 1:We weren't manufacturing things here, but we were bringing it in and that is going, you know. So it was mostly like all shiny kids play jewelry that they would things at the dollar store. Okay, A lot of metallic things had lead paint in them because it was like that boisterous color and whatnot. But so that's going to conclude my Ted Talk for today. If anyone wants me to do a full episode on lead paint, I could feel my mom was always a huge she was.
Speaker 2:She would always say she loved bathing you in it. I was lead, lead, lead.
Speaker 1:No, but she for work had to do a presentation on lead paint and the effects of it and she would always say like to my niece when she was younger, if Lil would put anything in her mouth my mom was like get it out of your mouth. Like she would throw at anything from the dollar store Like it was and I never really looked into it. I was like, hey crazy, just like you're always telling me to turn off the lights.
Speaker 2:So Wow, that's your hot take.
Speaker 1:That's my hot take on lead, and now I've brought some lead here for us to suck on and see if anything happens.
Speaker 2:I think that there are more serial killers now than there have ever been, and I you know what. I think it is, to a very small extent, the CSI effect. I think that people are getting smarter. I think that there are more. Okay, full disclosure, I don't know this.
Speaker 1:You go into the cops You're like you guys, we're in an epidemic right now, we're in a boom, Like I don't know. If you guys they're like Matt, Matt, man who's? Dead. Okay, I don't. I don't have all the answers.
Speaker 2:This isn't a foolproof plan right now I haven't worked out all the gangs, I think that people are able to travel easier, like especially in the 70s, like when the whole interstate system opened up in the States. Now you could be a killer one state than the other state, this state, that state.
Speaker 1:That's how I do it. It was super easy. I have my own car. I'm just killing everybody. It's crazy. That's why I won't let you see in my car. It's not because there's a bunch of goldfish crackers everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a weird thing. It's just blood. I was like here can I help you with this in your car?
Speaker 1:No, no, there's so many Mott's gummy candy wrappers in that car it's like, but no, I don't know. I would be willing to say that there's a few flaws in your theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, understandably.
Speaker 1:Like the first of all, the missing bodies, the missing victims.
Speaker 2:I think there are less bodies being found, but I think there are more missing persons. Okay, I think people are going missing more per capita.
Speaker 1:Okay. But again do you have one name? Nope.
Speaker 2:I don't have a name. I don't have a stat. This is just a harebrained theory.
Speaker 1:You heard it here, folks the serial killer boom. But no, you're saying it's romanticized right, Like it's romanticized because of like the all the law shows and like all the.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that they're getting smarter. Okay, because a lot of CSI I mean a lot of it is bullshit, but also a lot of it is like, oh yeah, like if you fed a dead body to pigs, they would just eat it all up and shit it, and you wouldn't. Okay, that's okay. Let me write that thing down.
Speaker 1:The serial killers right now listening. I'm like, thank you, we aren't getting smarter.
Speaker 2:Oprah did a show on how to tell if your kids were smoking weed. And she's like you found the filter, yes, like have a little poker face here, people, oprah, come on, come on, oh, oh.
Speaker 1:So Sorry, that's my theory. You know what? I'm glad to entertain it.
Speaker 2:I love it. You have like some like evidence for your theory.
Speaker 1:Do you have one story, that kind of quaver?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no no, I don't even have hearsay. I couldn't even be like hey, I heard it from somewhere.
Speaker 1:I actually haven't even thought it until right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right, that's right. This is evolving like working theory.
Speaker 1:Working theory started five minutes ago.
Speaker 1:So in 1977, a 19 year old girl named Jill Barcom had moved to LA with her friend, ironically moving from New York yikes. On November 10th of 1977, jill was found alongside of a winding road up the hill from Hollywood Hollywood. Her brother, bruce, called his parents house and everyone was crying and his mother told him that he needed to come home right away. And when he arrived his mother told him that Jill had been murdered. She had been sexually assaulted. She was positioned so that she was bent over with her face in the dirt, like she was kind of her knees up to her chest, bent over with her face in the dirt Because of how brutal her attack was. Her brother said that her face was unrecognizable. They suspected that this MO could fit the hillside stranglers and To show you just how prevalent serial killers were back in the 70s, jill's friend had been murdered by the hillside stranglers.
Speaker 1:Jesus, that's crazy, right Like it's like stranglers. Yeah, there's two of them. There were cousins Wow.
Speaker 2:I never knew that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, her, her friend. Like, could you imagine two people in the same friend group? Yeah really killers, like just awful.
Speaker 2:So George know each other. Like all these zero, no. Like is there a convent? Like are they? Like hey man, I notice who did over there like what do?
Speaker 1:you. I Sort of got it, just because they're fucking like their brains don't work. I don't know. I don't know how it was. You know, women were coming into like in the 60s and 70s. It was like a sexual revolution. Yeah, they were hitchhiking and all that kind of stuff. I don't know if that had something to do with it.
Speaker 2:Like I could be in. A lot of these guys are like you, these fucking women. They want to vote. They got to be in the kitchen. They're burning their bras. What the hell? I'm gonna show you I'm a fucking man. Oh God, I'm gonna show you Is that what you say. No, I do not say I'm a man and I do not show anybody anything.
Speaker 1:Hey, are you a man? Can we see?
Speaker 2:no, I show them my driver's license. I'm like look see the M man I technically. Here's the proof. Do not check at my PVR, listen to my playlist oh boy.
Speaker 1:So Georgia Wigstead, cardiac care nurse, was living in Malibu. She sparked concern when a fellow nurse had arrived at her home to carpool Her and Georgia would do like one week Georgia drives, the other week the other one drives. After honking a couple times, her co-worker left and went to work, but she called the police to have a welfare check-in because this was not like her. When they entered, there was blood everywhere. Georgia had been posed with her legs open on the floor Because not only was he a sick monster for the things that he was doing to her, but he wanted whoever found her to be scarred with this visual as well. The cops did notice that a window had been left open and the screen had been removed altogether.
Speaker 2:My leg, like that's how he entered. That's yeah. He took off the screen and open the window.
Speaker 1:In 1978, charlotte Lamb was a young woman who wanted to go dancing one night with her friends, and they were all either busier, just didn't want to go out, and she ended up going out, and that was the last time she was ever heard from. She was later found in an apartment in Alcigando that was not hers, nor did it belong to anyone she knew, so she had no association with the apartment that she was found in. She was also posed. She was laying on the floor with her arms folded behind her back so that her breasts were popped out more Again, scarring someone who had to walk in on that. He had cut her up so badly using the claw end of a hammer and then bludgeoned her to death using the other side Fuckin hell. He had left behind DNA and a palm print, which they had no use for in the 70s, of course, but luckily they gathered it anyways, and the palm print came up empty as well. Do you know, like back in the 70s it was just? It was like people looking at the markings on your hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and visually comparing it. Yeah, there was like eight points of yeah markings that. Yeah, that's crazy, though Like.
Speaker 1:I to me personally, like I love DNA because there's so much room for human error. Yes and DNA.
Speaker 2:It ain't gonna lie and when there are issues with DNA, it's from the source to the lab or the lab to the court.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:It's, you know, it's very, and maybe you can down on maybe I'm wrong here, but it's. I at least very rarely hear of anything in the lab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, mix ups right thing like that. Yep, they seem to be pretty serious when it comes to DNA.
Speaker 2:Wow, good take.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much hey it was almost as good as your take on all the serial killers.
Speaker 2:At least you got evidence for your DNA take. At least you can support it.
Speaker 1:He's wearing gloves. You're like, that guy's a serial killer. I'll tell you that right now one of many. So they gathered the DNA anyways, and of course this case went cold, because how could anybody do anything in the 70s? I fucking have no clue. I'm so like. Like what they're writing it on their typewriter, like.
Speaker 2:HH Holmes. Yeah, and it was what the 30s or whatever like he got away 20s. So long like the most obviously horrific crimes in Chicago, like in, like a metropolitan on like the corner of like two super busy streets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like people were just like dropping through floors. That was to date. I have to say, if you have not listened to my coverage of HH Holmes, matt and I was those our first recording that we did together. I Basically just said words for 42 minutes. I'm not sure any of them made sense.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. What a wild story.
Speaker 1:I know it is crazy, and he was only 32. Yeah, I know like where's our murder?
Speaker 2:Castle. I didn't do shit by the time I was 30, so, disappointed in us, barely made a murder tree house at 35.
Speaker 1:I have my murder car. That's what I do all my murdering. So Zafar Shah was Killed. Another person that was killed and positioned in the laundry room of her apartment complex. She was found by another tenant in the building and Next on his to-do list was to go on the dating game.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, so he had like kills.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he was hot in the middle of his killing.
Speaker 2:See, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't know what the timeline was of the crimes to the show like imagine just being Rodney alcohol and you're like, okay, I just positioned her really quick, but you know what this show like.
Speaker 2:I feel like.
Speaker 1:I should be on that show right there Like what? What is running through your fucking head?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all he's probably like hmm, you know what I? I can do no wrong. I am nobody's looking for me for these murders and I'll bet you if I go on that show I would win it. I am a pretty good guy.
Speaker 1:You know he did win it right.
Speaker 2:No, I did not know that he won it. Yeah, I thought the person never.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought that they never did the date they didn't, so let me get it Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh right, okay, so I just assumed then he didn't win because there was no date and kids. If you're listening, nothing ever can go wrong when you assume.
Speaker 1:So I sent you a clip of this. Did you watch it? No, you okay, listen.
Speaker 2:I scrolled up today to find all the stuff that you said it was in Facebook Messenger. I sent it to oh, I was looking in texts, nope. I went to do it today, though.
Speaker 1:You know what you did tell me to remind you, because you had a big wrestling weekend, so I can't even be mad.
Speaker 2:Yay.
Speaker 1:But I am one of those cereal.
Speaker 2:Let's go for a car ride.
Speaker 1:You can see the inside of my car now Blood everywhere. So the contestant, her name is Cheryl. So just so everybody knows, it's three male contestants that are separated by a wall from a female and she asks them. They're told to be you know, and, like you know, have a little what's the weirdest place you've made?
Speaker 2:whoopee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they don't say whoopee. No one says whoopee as a matter of fact, really in the world only.
Speaker 2:They'd be like I'm probably on the beach. I did a one in a Ferris wheel Church. That's a three.
Speaker 1:That's a three, I think three you know the produce section of law-blows.
Speaker 2:Damn, she got money.
Speaker 1:She money. So she tells him at one point to pretend that he's a dirty old man and he starts snap, like literally like yeah, like the creep keeper, like it's really, really, really disgusting. Maybe you'll see if I can get Chris to input it, yeah, throw it in, yeah, here. Yeah, I'm a drama teacher and I'm going to audition each of you for my private class, bachelor number one. You're a dirty old man.
Speaker 2:Take it, come on over here.
Speaker 1:So you know, just like when you see it. If you didn't know that he was killing people at that time, it would still be pretty creepy. But to know what he was doing was just like absolutely horrific. And you can YouTube Rodney Alcalad, the dating game and it'll come up, but I will have Chris insert his snarling thing. I probably send him these clips and he's just like the fuck are these guys doing? So that was the whole premise of the dating game. They also asked him she said, contestant number one, if I were serving you at dinner, what would you be and what would you look like? And he was like I would be called the banana and I look good.
Speaker 1:She goes, can you elaborate? And he goes, peel me.
Speaker 2:First of all, a lot. I Think a banana. Can you elaborate? It's my wiener. What are we talking about here? I feel like I did not get what I was doing. This banana is my wiener.
Speaker 1:First of all, are you suggesting we serve a banana for dinner? Haha, just one Like couldn't you go with sausage or something? Yeah, and had she not asked any follow-ups, it would be an unpeeled banana, Like it's just like if I go over to someone else at someone's house and they offer me a banana for dinner, I'm gonna that friendship is put on hold and they'll further notice, right, at least, when you come over to my house and I offer you a banana for dinner, I'm winking, right.
Speaker 1:Oh boy ladies, that's right. Dms are open yeah.
Speaker 2:And guess what? You're gonna be weightless.
Speaker 1:Just like a D-Swift concert. That's right, You'll get an access gun eventually.
Speaker 2:Yeah everybody gets an access gun. It's a concert that never sells it. Tickets are basically free.
Speaker 1:Basically. So when you know it comes time to pick her guy, her back, Well, I really like bananas, so I'm gonna go with one, oh my God. And when he comes around that wall you can see the drop Like she's like oh boy, oh boy, oh.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:So she would later call contestant coordinator Ellen Metzger and say that she did not feel comfortable going on a date with Rodney. Now what should be noted is I believe it was oh shit. I didn't write down what the date was, but it was a big, elaborate date and the dating game pays for it.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not just like dinner. No, and some Cadbury.
Speaker 1:No, it was a bunch of cool things that I would have really liked to do, but she got the creeps from him. Meanwhile, her husband, who was the executive producer on the show, really did not want Rodney on the show. Like I said earlier, in the first place he told Ellen that he was creepy, but she insisted that he was striking, that everyone was gonna love him, and, as they usually do, the wife won.
Speaker 2:So the husband? So when the contestant calls and is like listen, I don't want to go on a date with this guy because he's a creep, the husband's like, whatever, I don't really want to say, I'm calling you.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right. You know too, with a guy he's like I'm not going to say it, but I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. So yeah, she said she was creeped out and the wife said that's perfectly fine and she all didn't have to go on the date.
Speaker 2:The husband's probably over her shoulder. What's she saying now? Yeah, why didn't she want to go?
Speaker 1:So did they have a great time, or?
Speaker 2:are they still going?
Speaker 1:They're engaged now because he's so striking.
Speaker 2:Remember how handsome you said earlier Stupid.
Speaker 1:So they didn't want her to feel unsafe and, for what it's worth, bachelor number two, whose name was Jed Mills, also got a bad vibe from Rodney. Even on the show you can see him like leaning in the other direction. The third guy was like I don't know. But the second guy was like Rodney would impose himself. He was rude, he would constantly interrupt. He just found his whole demeanor to be unlikeable, weird. So I guess the lesson here is trust your gut. Yeah, do you know that you actually have gray matter in your stomach?
Speaker 2:Gray matter from your brain.
Speaker 1:Gray matter is in your brain, yes, and that's why you get a gut reaction to certain things.
Speaker 2:Really. Yes, I get something that my therapist and I call the pit, and it is like a big sinking feeling in my stomach whenever. I'm like sad or upset or fast or nervous or whatever, and I just cannot function.
Speaker 1:The worst feeling in the world, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Like I don't eat, I don't sleep. That's anxiety. Is that? Yeah, that's anxiety, is there a brain down there. Well, I don't think it's a whole brain it is gray matter though, no, but like pieces of brain. Yeah, sock say, I don't like that one bit.
Speaker 1:No, fuck off brain. Yeah, stay in my head where you belong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why is my brain up top so dumb, my brain downtown so smart?
Speaker 1:I don't know what's smart. It's neurotic. I'll come upstairs, brain, though smart. So a few months after his appearance on the dating game Kenneth Bianchi and Angela Bueno Bono it's Bono AKA the hillside stranglers were arrested and they confirmed all of their killings, but they said that they did not kill Jill Barkham.
Speaker 1:And we know that they didn't kill Jill because I believe she was Rodney's number three murder In February of 1979, Rodney was able to persuade 15 year old Monique Hoyet to get in his vehicle when he told her that he was a photographer and he was entering a contest with a monetary prize and if he won he was going to be splitting the money with whoever modeled for the picture, which is like how, in the seventies, are you going to find that person again? Are you just fucking shouting?
Speaker 2:into the abyss. I do you find?
Speaker 1:anybody, monique, I have that money. So, yes, whoever modeled for the picture would get half of his winnings. I think it was $250. Once she was in, he said that he had to pick up some of his equipment from his mom's house.
Speaker 2:All right, so already I'm hearing like all the alarm bells. This guy's a professional for sure, but it's at his mom's house.
Speaker 1:She agreed and then, for some strange reason, she ended up staying overnight at his mom's house. Now I am unclear on the details surrounding this, but at this point Rodney is 36 and he's bringing a 15 year old to stay the night at his mom's place, and this is that's okay with his mom.
Speaker 2:Like weird. Well, unless I don't know me, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a work friend.
Speaker 1:It's a work friend. She's got high school in the morning, but yeah, right.
Speaker 2:And then are you like hey, don't lie to my mom about your age. She's like I have braces.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so anyways, the next day they would drive about 130 kilometers east of LA. The pair walked a bit before Rodney started taking pictures of Monique. He then asked her to do a silly picture that's quote unquote where she pulls her shirt up covering her face and when she complies, he hit her over the head with a large stick. Oh fuck, at first she was trying to play dead, but when he began reaping her she could not continue to be quiet and she began screaming. So he choked her until she lost consciousness. She awoke a bit later and Rodney was sitting beside her and he was bawling his eyes out.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:Not being able to see any other option. She comforted him and told him that they could go back to his mother's house and talk things through and, shockingly, he went with that. How do you?
Speaker 2:have this girl? How do you have a brain that can function in this moment to come up with a plan to come off sympathetic?
Speaker 1:Matt, I'm going to tell you this right now the episode that we're recording for our Patreon today is going to blow your pants off. What happens when you get shocked?
Speaker 2:You blow your socks off. Socks off, that's way better than You're in the feet, eh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to blow your socks off. This one's like this girl's remarkable. The Patreon episode today. I love it, I'm rattled by it. So they would walk to the car in complete silence and on the way back they stopped at a convenience store to get a drink. So, rodney's under the assumption that they're good.
Speaker 2:They're going to talk through this.
Speaker 1:So he had to use the washroom. And as soon as he went into the washroom she made a run for it and luckily there was a motel right beside the store. She ran in screaming for the police. Rodney did flee, but he just went back to his mom's house. So they apprehended him, just like they're. Like, he's not at the convenience store, we'll just check his mom's. Oh, he's there. Okay, yep, okay, good. So he tried half heartedly denying the allegations, but they didn't buy it. A judge set his bail at $10,000 and he would only need to pony up 10% of that. So his mom paid the $1,000 and he was free. Again and again a month after, he would kill 21 year old Jill Prento. This killing mirrored his earlier killing of George Wigstead, so he would remove the screen and enter through her window. He beat her badly with a hammer. He left bite marks all over her body and again positioned her in a humiliating way. This time he even grabbed a table side lamp and shone it onto the body.
Speaker 1:Oh, for the first responders yes for their mental health and thankfully we are now onto his last murder.
Speaker 2:It was just crazy, right Like so much Like rapid killing, and just so much and desecrating. And getting caught so many times.
Speaker 1:Like what the fuck is happening? How are you Hold them? Yeah, hang on to them. Like, especially after they connected him as John Burger. And then they found Ellen Hovers remains after they had interviewed him about being with her and they knew that he was with her.
Speaker 2:Like to me, it's baffling, Especially with the posing of the body, so excited Like how are you not like all right, listen our pieces of shit alarm?
Speaker 1:bells are going out. Yeah, yeah, that should be worth two murders, but it's because he keeps going back and forth, right, like it's just.
Speaker 2:Oh, like New York LA. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So we're onto his last murder, only a few days after his murder of Jill Parento on June 20th of 1979. And Rodney was now in Huntington Beach, which makes me think of the teetorities Huntington.
Speaker 2:Beach bad boy.
Speaker 1:He had his photography equipment on him and he was up to his old shit again with the photography contest. And so he's walking the beach and he would be, you know, sharing the winnings with his models.
Speaker 2:Of course, just got to find a model.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he got to a couple of girls. He fed them some bullshit story and they agreed to pose for a couple of photos. And when he asked for their contact information to get their potential winnings to them, they refused to give it to him. And when he asked if they wanted to get loaded, they roller skated away from him. Did I ever tell you about how my daughter proposed to a kid? No, so she, she's been in love with the same kid since JK and she's going into grade three next year. Oh, so it's getting serious. Oh, she's.
Speaker 1:And the cutest thing was I won't say his name on the pod, but when I went in for the junior kindergarten, like parent teacher thing, it was like a picture of the kid and then their favorite body part and why, which sounds weird, but it wasn't, it was innocent. So it was like Olivia. And so it's got Olivia's picture and it says Olivia's favorite thing is her hands because she likes to play games. And then this little boy it was like his favorite thing is his fingers because he likes to use them to hold Olivia's hand.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:But she's gotten a little bit more overbearing, oh yeah, so she found a ring and she was like I'm going to propose to him. And I was like, okay, I don't know All right 2023. So there's a hopscotch thing right behind him and so she comes at home later on and I was like, did you propose to him? And she was like, yeah, he said no and then he just hopscotched away.
Speaker 2:Oh, what an exit.
Speaker 1:I was like are you okay? She's like yeah, I was probably just a ring. I'll try again later. Good for her.
Speaker 2:There's no killing that girl's confidence.
Speaker 1:But he just hopscotched away. I'm like God, that's sad, oh man.
Speaker 2:Listen, I can't be tied down right now. I'm just into the scotch. Anyways, I'll see you later.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I'm rooting for these two though, but yeah, so they ended up skating away from him. A few people noticed him approaching different girls and speaking with all of them. Like a lot of them were declining this weird man's offers, but then he approached a couple of 12 year old girls. They were having a cartwheel competition, just to really drive in how little they are. Yeah, these girls' names were Bridgette Wilvery and Robin Samso.
Speaker 1:The girls agreed to let Rodney take their picture, but luckily Bridgette's neighbor, jackie Young, was nearby and she saw what was going on and she got a bad feeling. She came over to Rodney and the two girls and asked what was going on. Without making eye contact, rodney quickly scooped up his equipment and shot out of there in a rush. The two girls carried on with their day and they went back to Bridgette's home, and that was when Robin announced that she would be going home. Bridgette told her to take her bike and not stop for anyone on the way home, because Robin was supposed to have her first day at work at 12, which was answering phones at a ballet studio in return for lessons, which is just the most pure thing I've ever heard in my life, like a little kid.
Speaker 2:All she wanted to do was do ballet lessons, did you imagine?
Speaker 1:And she didn't want to be tardy. So Robin was expected to be home from her job slash lessons at around 4.30 or 5. But she hadn't come home yet when the owner of the ballet studio called her parents and let them know that Robin had not shown up for her shift. Her family immediately called 911 and her older brothers, Robert and Tim, hopped on their bikes and just went out looking for her for hours and, sadly, 12 days after she had first gone missing. Robin's remains were discovered over 40 miles or 64 kilometers from Huntington Beach. The only bright side to Robin's murder was that she was not raped, sexually assaulted or positioned in any way.
Speaker 1:Her family was understandably devastated, but her friend Bridgette knew that this had something to do with the man on the beach.
Speaker 2:So then did he get their address. No, he called.
Speaker 1:The modeling thing. He flagged her halfway from Bridgette's house to her home and he caught her just on the bike and the bike was never, actually ever found. And it was Bridgette had lent her that bike to get home and they never found it Really Mm-hmm, that's crazy. Yeah, so Bridgette was able to provide the cops with a wildly accurate sketch. The sketch is out there and it's especially for, like, a little kid to come up with, you know.
Speaker 2:I want to show it to you. Look at the details.
Speaker 1:Do you know what he looks like?
Speaker 2:Man, that is a hell of a new phone you got there it's big. Eh, holy crap, that's like a fucking stand-up paddleboard.
Speaker 1:That's actually how I use it, so this is the sketch that she came up with. That's a 12-year-old girl did oh my God.
Speaker 2:Well, she didn't do the sketch, but she yeah, but those descriptions.
Speaker 1:And then this is what he looked like.
Speaker 2:I mean the hair in the upper, like nose up is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a horrific looking man, though, so just brace yourself.
Speaker 2:Brace yourself to see the ugly guy. Listen. Every time I look in the mirror I mean listen, I don't. Yeah, the feathered hair and stuff. I don't know if it's that unattractive. Oh, I think.
Speaker 1:What? Well, maybe it's because I.
Speaker 2:That's true. I shouldn't be saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like he's great looking.
Speaker 2:I know, I know he's a dick. No, he's ugly.
Speaker 1:How's that I found the sketch to be wildly accurate and so did a lot of people. And now that the sketch was out there and Rodney is extremely unique looking and especially with his big, stupid dark curly hair which, if you have big curly hair it probably looks great on you, it didn't look great on him. The way it framed his face looked really unnatural. There's a lot of pictures with him and it's like Patty and Selma. It comes out like this and it's like straight across right here.
Speaker 1:So he decided that he was going to chemically straighten his hair, and when he didn't look like, he probably looked like a witch, to be honest Is this straight hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he decided that he was going to cut it short and meanwhile, believe it or not, during all of this, Rodney had a girlfriend. Oh, he had met her in a bar in 1979, and her name was Elizabeth Keller. And I have to wonder if she saw that sketch, because I mean it was all over the place. And then your fucking weird looking boyfriend goes and straightens his hair and then cuts it all off. That's a little bit to wonder about.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So, now that the walls were closing in on him, rodney decided he was gonna call Elizabeth and told her that he was thinking about opening a photography studio in Dallas and he was going to look at possible locations. But he didn't go to Dallas. What I imagined happened here was, I think, that he knew that people were gonna start fishing around and he wanted to give her fake information so that, like they couldn't squeeze her for real information, because he ended up going to Seattle and he rented a storage facility and what he would do there is put all of his trophies in it. He would like to keep the earrings of the women that he heard and all the pictures, like the thousands and thousands of pictures.
Speaker 1:And then he flew back to LA and went to his mother's house and it was now July of 1979. And, to the absolute shock of his mother and stepfather, rodney was arrested in the middle of the night for the death of Robin Samso. That was, of course, until they started going through his room and found handcuffs, some ropes, and I don't know why we needed to know this, but in the article I was reading it said that they also found a magazine called Young and Naked, which you know what you're getting when you buy that magazine Like is it?
Speaker 1:It's a porno magazine.
Speaker 2:No, but is it like underage?
Speaker 1:No, so it's like a barely little thing, yeah, fuck. It's like there's no rate in between the lines with that one. Yeah right, when you buy Young and Naked, you know what you're in for. So while Rodney awaited his trial, he spoke with his sister when she'd come to visit him and in Spanish, he told her to go to his locker and empty it out. Maybe he thought he was being smart, but he was in California.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's, nobody in California is Spanish.
Speaker 1:So it was pretty easy to have someone who speaks Spanish translate. Yeah, no shit. But even if he had gotten away with his sneaky conversation with his sister, it was already too late. The cops had located a receipt for the facility in his bedroom and they were already there, Nice. They found over 1700 photos that he had taken of women and girls. There were also two full bags of earrings. Wow. He tried saying that the earrings belonged to him, but no one was buying it. They were like women's earrings. His trial started in February of 1980. And during his 12 week long trial they discussed Rodney's past charges, just to show that he had a clear MO right.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:And he was a literal sex offender. Rodney was being charged with murder, robbery, kidnapping, lewd acts upon a child, providing cannabis to a minor and probation violation. The jury deliberated and it came back guilty and he was sentenced to death.
Speaker 2:How about you just say he was on the fucking FBI's most wanted list?
Speaker 1:for a time or two. Yeah, really Like. How about that? Let's just wrap this up.
Speaker 2:How about? That is your opening and closing statement.
Speaker 1:But for some ridiculous reason like I have to wonder who the person was that sparked this In August of 1984, it's when I was born.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's how the cool people are born.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's also. This shitty thing happened. But the California Supreme Court overturned his sentence because they said that the jury had been poisoned by listening to his past crimes, like if his past crimes were like.
Speaker 2:Listen. What's so bad? Sure, he killed a couple of kids in the past. This is a totally different kid. They should have nothing. His past crimes against children shouldn't have anything to do with his current and future crimes against children. Your honor.
Speaker 1:Well, that was their argument and it worked. So in May of 1986, his second trial started and resulted in the same verdict and the same sentence. This time the verdict would be upheld by the California Supreme Court, but because Rodney is like a sewer rat, he filed for a federal habeas corpus.
Speaker 2:Okay, Do you know what that is? Habeas corpus? It's something to do with the rule of law, but I don't really know.
Speaker 1:That was filibustering at his place.
Speaker 2:Act as rea, mend rea. So this is all it.
Speaker 1:Well, it does derive from Latin. Translates to you shall have the body If the court takes away your liberty. You have the right for a writ of habeas corpus and they must explain to you why you are locked up. Everyone who is arrested and held has the right to this, and Rodney had his own presentation because he had written a 300 page plea for his innocence and because it was now federal, a United States district court judge granted it.
Speaker 2:So what? Just to tell him the reason.
Speaker 1:So basically, the habeas corpus means that he can go in front of the court and they can tell him like okay, you're being held for this. This is what we believe you did. Da, da, da, da, da. Yes, and everybody has the right to do it. It's really just a fucking stultact how the fuck.
Speaker 2:Do you not know what you're in jail for? All right, it's a stultact, nevermind. I'm like, yeah right, I wouldn't want to hear that again. I'm like I'm ashamed of myself, don't bring up my crimes again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know they did this, and so, in doing this, they overturned Rodney's conviction a second time.
Speaker 2:What? Because they.
Speaker 1:Because, as it turns out, by the time his third trial was coming together. Oh so, yeah, so now he's, he basically overturns his own conviction, and then they have to go through the court proceedings again, where they explained to him exactly what he is, and then they have to resent and some after that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it's not just like getting a piece of it.
Speaker 1:It's essentially just getting a new court case, but like, but it's dissolving. It's, I don't know. It's really fucking complicated. It's just every criminal has the right. I was trying to understand it. I'm not passing the bar, kim Kardashian, me and you both, girl.
Speaker 2:Wow, shots fired. I'm.
Speaker 1:Kim.
Speaker 2:She's going to pass the bar and she is going to be Suing me, one of the most respected people this planet. I think within the next five, 10 years we're going to see a Kim Kardashian like on a I don't know monuments. Are you in love with her? No, I mean I would, but I'm not in love with her.
Speaker 1:You talk about her and the bar, like almost every podcast, and she hasn't even passed it yet.
Speaker 2:Well, I just think it's great that she's kind of like at this reputation of being like, kind of like a dumb dumb.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't think she's a dumb dumb. I don't think anybody who can build that kind of a fucking.
Speaker 2:Empire.
Speaker 1:Empire. Is that dumb? I mean, all she had to do was show her vagina and now, all of a sudden, she has bajillion dollars. Time is essentially it. Yep. So now that Rodney had done this, he kind of shot himself in the foot because we suddenly had the ability to DNA test and oh, with the court, now that he's been.
Speaker 1:It's going, yeah, so it's open again. So now, Georgia Wichstead, Jill Barkham, Jill Parento, who the cops always had felt Rodney was responsible for, but they didn't have enough to book them on it before. Like the last one there, Jill Parento, but in a storage locker with, all of you know, the earrings, was a DNA profile for Jill Parento on one of the earrings. And also you have to imagine that a lot of these crime scenes some of the officers didn't take DNA.
Speaker 2:You know it didn't give them anything back, then no, you wouldn't swab for it. But if it was on a piece of clothing or something, then in the future, yeah so yeah, so thank God for the ones who did take it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because in this trial, rodney chose to defend himself. Yes, has there ever been a case where a criminal defends themselves? That they won?
Speaker 2:I gotta think not.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:But I don't know.
Speaker 1:So this was such a fucking. It was a horse and pony show. His was almost comical, because not only did he call himself to testify, he also cross-examined himself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:I could not imagine being in that room and watching this imbecile like in his one man comedy routine.
Speaker 2:Like I hope he asked the question and then ran into the box and then answered it and then got into an argument.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then ran out and then put his arm on the box to ask the next question.
Speaker 1:And then he ran back in to answer it. He's out of breath.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. Yes, yeah, Okay, did you see anything?
Speaker 1:So yeah, so he's a one man comedy routine. Sadly, though, he called up Robin Samso's mother Her name is Mary Ann and he tried to destroy her character by bringing up a drug charge that she had. I'm just gonna go on the record and say, if anything happened to any of my kids, especially something as horrendous as what happened to her kids, I would be in a state of fucking, some sort of drunk altered. I would just if I survived it.
Speaker 2:I would not be. You'd be in a medicated state.
Speaker 1:24 seven yeah. So if she had a drug charge after her kid got murdered, you're like, I can't get it out, so fucking what.
Speaker 1:So, as well as the fact that she had brought a gun to the first trial and she planned on using it, she said that she wanted to shoot that man right between the eyes. Wow. She said that she went to grab her gun and she smelled Robin's perfume and then she felt a hand on her hand and she knew it was Robin telling her not to do that. That's wow. So, needless to say, once again, despite his fucking best creepy, weirdo attempt, he was found guilty on Robin's, sam's and as well as the other four LA girls that they now had DNA for, and he didn't even talk about like he had his. He had walked through this entire trial defending himself for Robin, and then they were like oh, by the way, you have all these other chicks that they have DNA profiles for now. And he's like, oh, but I already wrote my stuff out and it's just about the one.
Speaker 2:So whatever, I can't reprint that.
Speaker 1:It's a typewriter, so it's like it's really hard. So, yeah, the jury deliberated for just one hour and during the sentencing phase, little tally Shapiro, from the beginning, eight year old from the beginning of the episode, who's obviously a full grown woman now told her story, which was apparently very moving, and, in a shocking choice, rodney played during the sentencing a portion of the song Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie. Do you know?
Speaker 2:the song. I know Arlo Guthrie, okay, but I don't know Alice's Restaurant.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's probably one of those songs that maybe, if you hear it, Probably, but let me just read you some of the lyrics from the portion that he played in court, claiming his innocence Kill I want to, I want to see, I want to see blood and gore and guts and vein in my teeth, eat dead, burnt bodies. I mean kill, kill, kill, kill. And I started jumping up and down, yelling kill, kill. And he started jumping up and down With me and we was both jumping up and down, yelling, kill, kill, and the sergeant came over, pinned a metal on me, sent me down the hall and said you're our boy. And again the jury came back and sentence run.
Speaker 2:Listen, just that good. I don't want to give court case tips to future criminals, but if you ever get a chance to play a song in court, just make it that. Why can't we be friends?
Speaker 1:I think if I'm don't kill. I think we burn if I'm ever, I think, on trial for murder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which you probably will be.
Speaker 1:Kim by Eminem. That's why yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that because I'm gonna kill you?
Speaker 1:I think that's that's gonna get me off.
Speaker 2:Those lyrics are fire Wild. Now, I mean they were wild. Remember listening to what came out first, the slim shady LP with the story with the moon?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:Remember listening to that my buddy's kitchen floor, like just listening, you were just on his floor. We're just laying down, just as like teenagers, just like just laying on the floor and fuck.
Speaker 1:I love Eminem, I love my mother's locked me.
Speaker 2:bitch, I'm gonna kill you, fuck.
Speaker 1:It's the one where Haley's like what are you doing with mommy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:I'm so shocked that because he's so over the top, he hasn't been canceled like he's like Cancel me, I guess, like when he came out with that song Monster with Rihanna after she had her face beat in like that's crazy. Yeah, really but yeah, I love him, I'm not gonna deny it.
Speaker 2:It's pretty talented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's extremely talented. So, yeah, that's the great song. You can look it up. It's about 45 minutes long. It felt like, yeah, yeah, gross. So again they sent in some to death. Rob Robin's mother would say that she didn't want him to be tried in New York for his crimes there. She just wanted him to stay in California and be executed. She just wanted to live one day more than he did because she wanted to see him be executed and If that happened she said she could die.
Speaker 2:A happy woman, but sadly, oh yeah, I hate you so much. I'm so sorry You've got to learn how to reword these cuz. I'm so you're like just want to live one day long. I'm like, all right, let's fucking go.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, mary, I just did you with my feelings I did. Sadly, mary Ann passed away in 2019 and Rodney Alcala died of natural causes well on death row in a hospital bed on July 24th 2021 at 943 am. Rodney did end up pleading guilty to the New York women in 2013 and he was given 25 years. Not that made a difference. In 2015, another death was linked to him through DNA. Christine Ruth Thornton was pregnant when she ran into Rodney and her and her infant child Skeletal remains were found, but they had chalked her murder up to being another one of the victims of the hillside stringlers. Wow, in 1994, rodney wrote a book called you the jury, which I did not read because fuck this guy and anything he has to say. Oh, and just to wrap things up, because I thought it would be fun, based on everything you've heard today, based on his music choices, what would you guess was Rodney Alcala's favorite movie?
Speaker 2:Um wait, here we're talking, talking like 70s.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Now we're in, we're in the 90s now we're in the 90s.
Speaker 2:I can see the godfather.
Speaker 1:One more here. Try to read it from my brain the mbop the Hanson story. Well, toss it okay in the middle, know where is a great movie? But no, when Harry met Sally.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, have a fuck Like Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan like an iconic Ron come on Tommy loves it.
Speaker 1:He's like one day I wish that I could find love like that. Yeah, I'll have what she's having. She's like weirdo and that's the fucking dating game. Killer, shelly, I hope you're happy.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah so there are. There was, I thought, a movie about this coming out there could very well, I just looked it up I thought I couldn't find it. I thought it was gonna be on tiff, tiff, the Toronto International Film Festival. It is called oh, it is called woman of the hour. That's a weird title. Yeah he's the killer in the midst of a killing spree when he took part and won a. Wow Killer is brazen part one. A date on the popular TV game show, the dating show or the dating game.
Speaker 2:Yep and a Kendrick is the star director. Really yeah huh. She plays Cheryl Bradshaw.
Speaker 1:Oh, so she's the contestant.
Speaker 2:Wow, that is interesting woman of the hour, so it seems to be about her.
Speaker 1:Well did nothing happen to her, she just was creeped out by him.
Speaker 2:Maybe, that's, maybe, that's the story.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, it's right there. It's like 14 minutes long. She's just like.
Speaker 2:Fred it's.
Speaker 1:But this is kind of it's. You know she's didn't do anything wrong, but the woman, she's like a voice over person, like she does voices for her tunes and whatnot. Contestant okay and so she's like doing her voices, when she's like talking to him and like the whole thing is just fucking cringy, like the whole thing was cringy. I like banana. Oh boy, I think it was me, oh God, all right. Well, there, it is All right. Okay, bye.