Solving Sleep: Sleeping Outside Under Sticks and Leaves | SFM E79

Have you ever stumbled upon a musical gem that felt like it was crafted just for you? That's what happened to me, Adam Brouse, with "Tokyo" by The Books, and it sparked a delightful journey into the serendipity of music discovery. Scott Moppen and I share this audio odyssey, weaving together the threads of enchanting tunes, sleep's evolution, and the great outdoors. We muse over a world where the simulated starry nights indoors could rival the thrill of sleeping in nature's own cradle.

The cozy allure of outdoor slumber — no tent required — is more than just a quirky preference; it's a call to our primal roots. In this episode, we imagine an Airbnb of the future, bedecked with leafy mattresses and a symphony of nocturnal sounds. We laugh over the ludicrous yet oddly compelling notion of a face umbrella, designed for those who dream of dozing under open skies but can't quite commit. It's an episode that blends the whimsical with the inventive, offering up a platter of fresh, unconventional ideas with every weekly installment.

As the sun sets on this week's conversational adventure, Scott and I reflect on life's simpler pleasures. Through tales of hastily eaten meals and our mission to dream up solutions for the world's conundrums, we extend an invitation for you to join us. Unroll your metaphorical sleeping bag and settle in for a night under the cosmos of creativity, as we continue to offer up new ways to perceive and interact with the multiverse around us. Tune in, and let's explore together.

Chapters

• 0:01 Favorite Song, Pleasure of Outdoors
• 6:48 Indoor Simulation of Outdoor Sleeping
• 16:01 Exploring Sleep and Technology
• 29:02 Enjoying Food and Sleeping Outside

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Adam, do you have a favorite song? A favorite song Like a ball time? Yeah, you do, yeah.

Speaker 2 0:08

What it's called Tokyo by the Books, tokyo by the Books, the Books. Yeah, I've never heard of this. I'd listen to this song and I'm just like, yeah, something about it is yeah, it's my favorite song.

Speaker 1 0:17

How did you come into contact with this song?

Speaker 2 0:20

I just found the books, probably from like Spotify, discover Weekly, like 10 years ago, okay, and then I just was like I fall in love, I just love the books. And then their album, the Lemon of Pink, has a song called Tokyo on it and it's just like really good.

Speaker 1 0:35

So you're listening to just a random mix of music and all of a sudden, the best song. All of a sudden, what comes on? You hear what you're like oh, hold on now. This is my favorite song.

Speaker 2 0:46

I mean not that song came on, I think just like another, like book song.

Speaker 1 0:50

Or like. Somehow I found the Lemon of Pink and then, and then you found their album, and then that was it, yeah.

Speaker 2 0:56

The Lemon of.

Speaker 1 0:57

Pink. Okay, I'll have to check it out. I've not heard of them, but I'm always trying to find new music.

Speaker 2 1:03

Yeah, I buy new music. I mean 10 years old music. Yeah, they stopped making music a couple of years ago. Oh, they did. They're like brothers, oh man I feel like I lost them now.

Speaker 1 1:10

I just found them. It's okay. No, they're gone, they're still good.

Speaker 2 1:13

But yeah, it's a, their name is Books, the Books, the Books.

Speaker 1 1:17

Like the Beatles or whatever, the Batman, the Batman.

Speaker 2 1:20

Oh God, I'm so sorry. Well, I can't find this quote that I want to find.

Speaker 1 1:44

Oh, you want a quote.

Speaker 2 1:45

I'll give you a quote. I want to tee up the solution.

Speaker 1 1:46

I'll give you a quote right now I'll give you whatever quote you want.

Speaker 2 1:51

I feel like I should be able to find this quote. It's about sleep. I'll give you a quote about sleep. Let's hear it. Sir Lancelot, this is no Sir Lancelot.

Speaker 1 1:59

There are no quotes from Sir Lancelot. What are you doing? And Sir Lancelot said Yo, King Arthur, your lady's pretty cool, Maybe I could hang out with her sometime.

Speaker 2 2:27

I can't find this dang quote. Okay, I'll just summarize. Okay, here's the solution. It's an invention.

Speaker 1 2:35

An invention An invention, you made an invention, or you need someone to invent something. It's just an idea, okay, but it's a totally new idea Hoverboards Okay.

Speaker 2 2:42

All right, now you invent something. Okay, it's essentially like a sort of sleeping tube, like it's like a tent, like a small tent over you. Okay, that's like a tube that goes head to foot Right and inside the environment is a simulation of being outside.

Speaker 1 3:02

Inside like a Like in that tube. You're not talking like a painting, You're talking like something more involved, right?

Speaker 2 3:07

I mean I'd leave it up to the inventor to figure out how to do this. But you know, I think there'd be like little fans. Okay, Because when you're, if you lay on the ground like say you're going to sleep on the ground, have you ever slept outside?

Speaker 1 3:19

I mean With no, tent no, I don't think I have.

Speaker 2 3:21

Okay, it's Stupid Awesome. Oh it's awesome. It feels so good to sleep outside.

Speaker 1 3:29

What yes To be unprotected? Why?

Speaker 2 3:32

Tell me why it's amazing.

Speaker 1 3:33

What's so awesome about?

Speaker 2 3:35

Okay, so I'll. This is the quote I was looking up. Wait, wait, wait. When did you go? I have to make this case for you.

Speaker 1 3:41

When did you go sleep outside with no tent, camping? You forgot your tent.

Speaker 2 3:46

I don't bring a tent, it's. California it doesn't rain, it doesn't rain.

Speaker 1 3:50

It's been raining all month.

Speaker 2 3:51

Well, it's winter now, but in the summer it doesn't rain. You just go, You're not going to rain and I'm going to rain on you and you just sleep on the ground. You just put down a pad and you just lay down and you fall asleep. It's wonderful. Okay, okay, it's delightful.

Speaker 1 4:05

It's so delightful that.

Speaker 2 4:07

I think people get addicted to it.

Speaker 1 4:11

To sleeping out on the ground, yeah.

Speaker 2 4:13

Like well, to some extent, homeless people, Okay.

Speaker 1 4:17

Oh what you interview homeless people.

Speaker 2 4:18

No, it's true. You interview homeless people and they're like I don't want to be, I don't want to live indoors.

Speaker 1 4:23

I feel like there is an addiction problem, but I don't know that that's.

Speaker 2 4:27

So I know people, so we don't. Do we have an explanation for how homeless people say that?

Speaker 1 4:34

Do we have an explanation for when people are like I just don't want to be inside?

Speaker 2 4:36

Yeah, they're like I don't want to be in a home. I don't want to sleep indoors, I like sleeping on the street. People say that I mean partly. You think, oh, maybe they have, Maybe they have claustrophobia from PTSD or something.

Speaker 1 4:47

Right, okay.

Speaker 2 4:48

But like remove those people, okay. Then there's still going to be people who are like no, this is really.

Speaker 1 4:53

I like sleeping outdoors, or maybe if you have enough bad experiences with society and they like negatively impact you a lot.

Speaker 2 5:00

you're like you know what Right I want to be by myself, right, but like out, just in a way a way. So we think that. So this is our like perception, but I have a suspicion that that's not the whole issue. I have a suspicion that there's also a positive side of the equation, which is that it's super delightful and pleasurable to just sleep outdoors, like in the clear air.

Speaker 1 5:22

Okay, and I got this idea. As long as you're not worried about threats to your safety or comfort or whatever. Yeah, obviously I'm not promoting homelessness. But you wouldn't like lay down in a field where there are lions? Yeah, of course. No, I shall sleep. It's gotta be safe.

Speaker 2 5:36

Right, but the reason I got this idea was because there's a book called the Once and Future King.

Speaker 1 5:41

Yes, which is?

Speaker 2 5:41

like the best retelling of the King Arthur tales Right. Yeah, so that's awesome Sword and the Stone is the first book.

Speaker 1 5:47

What's that Author's name? White yeah, white EB. White yeah.

Speaker 2 5:50

Okay, it's TH White, th White, yeah, th White.

Speaker 1 5:53

EB. I'm thinking of Charlotte's Web. Yeah, eb White.

Indoor Simulation of Outdoor Sleeping

Speaker 2 5:56

That's a different one. So in this book it's King Arthur, but before he's king he's wart, he's this slave boy around the, he's a scullery boy around the castle and he goes outside to go hawking with a falcon and he loses the falcon and so he sleeps outside for a night. And it says in there, like in the book, it says like the author like stops and kind of does an aside and sort of tells you something. And what he says is, if you sleep outside too many nights, you'll just love it way too much and you'll never wanna sleep indoors again. And then he just continues with the story. And I listened to that and I was like dang. And then I thought about my experiences sleeping outside and I've been doing this cowboy camping since for about five years now, and so when I go camping in California it doesn't rain, so I just don't bring a tent, or if I bring, I bring like a teeny little tarp thing in case I don't know.

Speaker 1 7:05

A face umbrella that I just attached to my nose. It's like a bit of a thing.

Speaker 2 7:10

Oh, there's an invention.

Speaker 1 7:11

Nose, face umbrella, oh umbrella that just perches on your nose Rainbow rainbow, a pair of glasses it's really an umbrella that when you lay down they protect your face. Don't steal that. Anyway, that's my billion dollar idea.

Speaker 2 7:25

That's Scott Scott's great idea.

Speaker 1 7:26

I'll know I'll know those start popping up in the catalogs. Okay, so sleeping outside too much. You're worried that you and you were like dang, that's true.

Speaker 2 7:35

I was like it's true, it's so incredibly pleasant to sleep outside when you go on these trips are you going with other people?

Speaker 1 7:43

Often yes, and are they intense? Or do you convince other people to be like yeah, like leave your tent?

Speaker 2 7:49

They usually want to have a tent because they're like they're not used to it Normal Because it's weird.

Speaker 1 7:53

Regular people.

Speaker 2 7:53

Well, that's the thing. There's this, like I think there might even be a sort of people don't. Why do people not sleep? It's weird because human beings have slept outside. That's what we're evolved to do. I mean, that's what we're made to do. It's just sleep under a bush somewhere. Well, I feel like we're evolved to like try to find some sort of shelter.

Speaker 1 8:15

Yeah, you find a shelter to rest when you're deactivating your consciousness. You're pretty vulnerable, so you like, find a-.

Speaker 2 8:24

But you can just like take some leaves and sticks and just pull them over you. You sleep Human being. You know you don't need like a full building around you and so you run an Airbnb right and your beds are all just leaves and sticks.

Speaker 1 8:37

Everyone come to Adam's Airbnb.

Speaker 2 8:40

But they're like interesting.

Speaker 1 8:41

How come there's no roof? You're like you'll get addicted to it. You're gonna do it, don't worry. Don't worry, you're gonna love this. You'll be so happy.

Speaker 2 8:48

So, if this is the case, which I posit is the case- that sleeping outside is one of the most pleasant things you can do. I can't refute it. I haven't tried it. You gotta try it. We could make the simulation because there are amenities to living indoors, right, you know there's benefits to being indoors. So that means let's bring the outdoors indoors. Let's create a simulation of being outdoors and trick your brain, trick your body into thinking it's outdoors.

Speaker 1 9:17

Okay.

Speaker 2 9:18

And so I think there should be this sort of tube that has a bit of a light show going on, you know.

Speaker 1 9:24

Like stars, like the tube could be made out of stars Like a TV screen or whatever, yeah, like nylon or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:29

And then there'd be this sort of tech layer and the tech layer would have like sound system, because it's actually quite noisy outside. People don't realize this If, even if you're in nature, there's like an orchestra of bugs playing, making all kinds of weird sounds all night long. It's like very loud, but our brains are like comfortable with it because we evolved to do it.

Speaker 1 9:51

So, even though there's like chorus of chirps and things going on, it actually is nice Crawling around on you while you're sleeping no, no, no, no or flying around and then landing on you while you're sleeping no, no, no. Neither of those things, it's orchestra.

Speaker 2 10:05

I mean, I'm sure there are, but you're again you're evolved to do it. You're evolved to just be comfortable outside.

Speaker 1 10:11

Right, you're covered in leaves and sticks. You're covering leaves and sticks. It's not good. You're protected.

Speaker 2 10:17

You're really selling this guy. You built a human beaver dam.

Speaker 1 10:20

You built yourself into a human beaver dam, and now you're totally fine.

Speaker 2 10:26

That's your solidness. Well, this is why we bring it indoors. Okay, there's an audio scape which is these bug sounds they play bug noises for you.

Speaker 2 10:35

Yeah, like like choruses of different types of bugs. You know, there's a whole bunch of crickets over here, there's a bunch of frogs down by the river, there's a bunch of bugs over here, there's a bunch of things over there, and so you've got to have this kind of soundscape around you. Sounds fun. And then there's like this light show I mean, the moon is actually very bright Like people don't, you know, probably realize, because they're in a room without their curtains, closing everything right, right but actually, if you're outside and it's a full moon, it's bright as hell, like you can walk around.

Speaker 2 11:05

Yeah there's nothing stopping you from Basically doing anything. I mean, you can't read, maybe, but you could like do anything you see. Yeah, as long as you're not like in a forest or something. Okay, so if half moon, it's still pretty bright, and even if it doesn't know moon or the moon hasn't risen yet, you can still. There's lots of like light from stars, so you'd want this kind of light effect so that if you opened your eyes You'd like see this beautiful starlight, moonlight, and you could even have it be the moon course over it.

Speaker 2 11:34

Yeah like a thing, and Then I think there has to be. There's a lot of wind and like air movement over your body when you're sleeping, right, okay, and so you'd want to have, you'd want to feel those air yeah. So there'd be like little fans that were like creating this kind of course of wind right over you. So with all these things in place, I think it's like you're creating a 4dx theater experience.

Speaker 1 12:00

But in like a tube, a tube.

Speaker 2 12:02

D4d, tube X, and you could buy one that was small for like kids. You could buy one that was like large, but for a single person, and you could buy one that was like large for like two people to sleep in. So I would arch over your bed. And then what? You could set it right on top your bed and plug it in, and the whole thing would operate. Maybe you have an app to and it's okay.

Speaker 1 12:21

So it's meant to like attach to your bed You're not just sets on top, because at first I was imagining like one of those capsule hotels that you see where it's like all those tubes. Yes, I mean you can have a version of that, but you'd also want one that people could take home.

Speaker 2 12:35

I'd want to sell them to people at their homes. Yeah, yeah, but that's a good idea as a concept when I was a kid, initial concept.

Speaker 1 12:40

I did a tent on my bed. You know like a pup tent, where you put it over your mattress or whatever. And then you're like I'm gonna tent, even though I'm on my bed, in my room.

Speaker 2 12:49

And what do kids do? They put glow-in-the-dark stars on the school on the dark stars, little like projectors and project constellations, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 12:56

Yeah, bring it on, put the Outdoor indoor the only problem, then you could be like here's.

Speaker 2 13:02

That's like sleeping on the surface of Mars. Here's like it's like. Here's what it's like sleepy on the surface of and then the air will like suffocate you like. This is the fans of the fans are going to reverse.

Speaker 1 13:12

They're like how do you like Mars now? Total recall. Your eyes are bulging.

Speaker 2 13:17

And there's like radiation. No way honest for your bitches.

Speaker 1 13:26

But, like, the only problem is if you get too immersed in it and you like wake up your eyes, you're like whoa, that's beautiful. You sit up real fast and just conch your head.

Speaker 2 13:34

Well, I'd be like cloth. They'd be like nylon conch.

Speaker 1 13:37

Okay, so these would be. I think you could make those, I mean yeah, you can make it that the curved screens now are there, the projection technology is there, yeah, and the you know just be LEDs, yeah, totally be super simple.

Speaker 2 13:49

I mean, and it could it could, you could set you could set it so that it like Woke you up with like a sunrise in your dome, no matter what time of day it was so where do you put this during the day?

Speaker 1 14:00

when you don't, when you're not using it? You just leave it on your bed.

Speaker 2 14:02

I think you just kind of Scrunch it down and get out and it just sits on your bed like a like a half dome. Okay, I mean, I don't think this would be taller than you know three feet, you know.

Speaker 1 14:12

Oh, because you don't need your feet to see the stars.

Speaker 2 14:15

No, your feet need to be included, because the wind oh.

Speaker 1 14:18

Yeah, and also I'd, I'd want to wait.

Speaker 2 14:20

Then how I feel like thermal, so that you wouldn't need any blankets, because you want to feel your skin like interacting with the air. Just a bunch of. Just a bunch of sticks and leaves.

Speaker 1 14:35

You can actually sell, really feel that I sell like synthetic sticks and leaves that would.

Speaker 2 14:41

Then you could just kind of throw on you like have you ever done this have?

Speaker 1 14:43

you ever just slept under like a pile of laundry?

Speaker 2 14:46

If you're doing that, I do like and it feels good, right to just sleep under a pile of laundry that's your inner sticks and leaves human being Wishing that it had this like bad, just like pile of crap on you, which is also what homeless people do, right.

Speaker 1 15:01

There's a well, there'll be a high-end version of everything, so they'd be like the Louis Vuitton sticks and these collection sticks and lefts Like is that a Louis Vuitton sticks and leaves? Oh my gosh, you are really impressive high roller Sleeper.

Speaker 2 15:17

I think we've only. So. This is the thing where I believe you know you either believe you're at the end of history or you believe we're at the beginning of history.

Speaker 1 15:23

I there's no middles I've no, gotta be extreme.

Speaker 2 15:26

Okay, I think we're in the beat. I think we're in the beginning of history, people okay people think, oh, this is it human beings, we figured it all out. No, I think everything could be like way different than it is.

Speaker 1 15:37

You right now like cut off everything that happened before this, or all that gets included, like no, no.

Exploring Sleep and Technology

Speaker 2 15:42

Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean we can learn from the past, but I just feel like people think the way things are, that's the way they pretty much will be in the future. False, I think when people into get into beds in the future, they will be like this because human beings are evolved to sleep that way. It's going to be the best way to sleep, because we evolved to sleep that way.

Speaker 1 16:01

Do you think the in a race situation, like where they're trying to develop the technology for this versus the technology for like? If I was watching black mirror, I might see someone like have an implant and they go and touch their temple and all of a sudden their eyes go white and like now they're in now they're in, like there, yeah, like they're seeing. Vr without you know like that sort of thing Is it? Do you think it's like a, an outer technology shell like this or Something where you trick the person's?

Speaker 2 16:30

mind into thinking they're seeing. No, you just do a shell worse because you could do that technology like I Mean right now. Today. I call you know college student, engine, electrical engineer student.

Speaker 1 16:39

I'm making more complicated, yeah it's just like.

Speaker 2 16:42

This is like LEDs and some fans With a nylon. So we got a name it we'll call it the, the night dome, night dome, the outside yeah tube and then you could sell it saying like this will give you, like this will upgrade your like, not just like Are you rested? It's like it's like pleasure, it's like this is like a pleasurable experience.

Speaker 1 17:09

The 30-second commercial on TV starts out. You know how everybody likes sleeping outside without a tent.

Speaker 2 17:18

But this is the problem, is the future does not seem like the future to the present.

Speaker 1 17:26

Does that make sense? The future does not seem like the future to the past.

Speaker 2 17:28

Okay.

Speaker 1 17:29

Yeah, like if you went in the past and you said this is how we do things.

Speaker 2 17:32

They would be like what the hell, are you talking about Right? Like that's crazy. But if you think about our beds, our beds are Victorian beds, that the technology of bedding was updated and created as it is like a frame with a spring with metal springs, that was made. Once we got to where you could make metal springs, like that was a Victorian invention, like a steampunk Right, like, ah, we'll put one of these new fangled springs underneath you while you sleep.

Speaker 1 18:01

That was very new when it was invented the first mattress guy. He just put one spring in the middle and he like lays down, he's like this sucks actually. Like why would this be making a better mattress? And they're like, no, no, no, like.

Speaker 2 18:11

lots of them Like do like rows and do like rows and do a matrix of these things, oh, not just one in the middle.

Speaker 1 18:20

Whoa.

Speaker 2 18:21

Oh, he's sleeping. The matrix. I just learned how to make a mattress, and then even our conception of sleep is, like it's very Victorian you know, Like Edison said, I try to sleep as little as I can cause. Sleep's just a waste, you know. And that's how people treat sleep. Now, people just are like screw sleep, like I drink coffee every day to stay awake as much as I can.

Speaker 1 18:38

I need my sleep, I love it.

Speaker 2 18:40

But a lot of people are like screw sleep. Like yeah, I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Speaker 1 18:43

You'll hear people say that yeah.

Speaker 2 18:44

They want to party, they want to work, they want to watch TV, they want to whatever. And then they think of sleep as just turning off your content. You even just said it turning off your consciousness. Yeah, that's what. I don't see sleep that way at all. Well, I see sleep as like a like this gorgeous like a hot tub. What Time of my day Like it's? Like a?

Speaker 1 19:06

So here's why I mean there's a little unconscious. Here's why I feel like this. So I am blessed, probably for people who have the problem, but I like I can lay down and fall asleep pretty quickly pretty consistently. And then I don't really have dreams that I remember most of the time I would say vast majority and so it really is like an instantaneous, like sleep down and now something's waking me up, Like it is really like for me, just like a click.

Speaker 2 19:33

Oh, wow, and I don't. It's not my experience at all.

Speaker 1 19:36

I don't absorb the time in between.

Speaker 2 19:38

I guess at all Whoa, what about you? What do you do? I've had when I was like a teenager or like sometimes in my life I've had the thing where I like close my eyes and I just immediately open my eyes and it's the next day. Yeah, but that's. It's not happened to me recently for sure.

Speaker 1 19:52

What's your experience like now?

Speaker 2 19:53

My experience is like a whole scape of time and experiences every night.

Speaker 1 20:00

I mean, are you like waking up in between?

Speaker 2 20:02

Yeah, I wake up to go to the bathroom, or I wake up and have a little reverie where I think about things or have imaginings. I'm attacked by ninja assassins in the middle of the night I have to fight off the Do a really impressive like fighting choreography, and then I go back to sleep. I may have dreams that I remember, but I can't really Definitely not those ninja assassin fight scenes.

Speaker 2 20:26

And then in the morning I have this like longer sort of reverie where I have you know, I don't know 45 minutes an hour where I just am like thinking about things.

Speaker 1 20:36

Like in your bed.

Speaker 2 20:37

Yeah, I'm just laying there I look asleep, but I'm not really asleep. I probably get up if I needed to, but I don't.

Speaker 1 20:43

If someone's trying to sneak up on you, you get like yeah, no, ninjas, yeah, I'm already awake. Yeah, oh, that would be so creepy if I thought you were asleep and you just open your eyes like nonchalantly and just like I was awake.

Speaker 2 20:56

My cat sleeps with his eyes open. What yeah, elmer, the white one, the white cat, you'll see him just like sitting and he's like laying there and his eyes are like creepily, like unfocused, and he's clearly asleep, but his eyes are like cracked open, pretty widely cracked open.

Speaker 1 21:11

Now he would be one of the people who would sign on to this, sleeping outside without anything over top of you is good.

Speaker 2 21:17

So would we? We evolved to do this for millions of years. Not me man.

Speaker 1 21:21

Yes, have you seen my skin tone? Tell you what, when the sun comes up.

Speaker 2 21:24

The sun is not out at night. If I'm not protected, I know, but it comes up in the morning and if I'm not protected, Sticks and leaves man. I already said it Like Chanel, chanel. Oh, and my glasses, umbrella, of course I think did white people just cover themselves in mud all the time?

Speaker 1 21:41

No caves, they covered themselves in caves. Also, there weren't, like I think, paleo ass white people. They covered themselves in mud. Yeah, there were.

Speaker 2 21:47

We haven't evolved any human beings. They were like not evolved at all since civilization.

Speaker 1 21:52

But those people in 10,000 years, those people were up north, in less hospitable climates and having to shelter from the sun, as well as the other elements.

Speaker 2 22:01

Right, yeah, so they. They were just as white as you and I.

Speaker 1 22:04

Right, but they're not laying outside in the daytime. Laying outside, they're going to sleep.

Speaker 2 22:09

Outside all day long. They're all day long. They're outside. You think they were?

Speaker 1 22:12

under their sticks and leaves all day. I think they were like, yeah, but putting together like a basic structure.

Speaker 2 22:18

Tunnel systems, I mean how?

Speaker 1 22:20

did? They put people on survivor. They figure out how to make a shelter in like a day.

Speaker 2 22:25

But then they still have, to like, go all around collect water, hunt, like, do everything.

Speaker 1 22:30

But this is a perfect example Survivor. They have the option to sleep outside under the stars every day if they want to, and they very clearly choose to sleep in their tiny, crappy shelter that they just made a day ago.

Speaker 2 22:42

But their shelter usually is wide open. It's just a roof.

Speaker 1 22:46

Yeah, it's like a roof and a floor that lifts them up off the bottom. That's good.

Speaker 2 22:51

Oh, that's OK, but also I think that's rare if you look at like, if you go to like aboriginal cultures, they're not going to have that. I mean, they'll have like things they sleep on and they'll have roofs and they might have like longhouses or some walls or something, but they're largely just going to like lay down and sleep like wherever they're comfortable.

Speaker 1 23:09

OK.

Speaker 2 23:10

I'll do it. You gotta try it out now. I gotta try it out. How would I do?

Speaker 1 23:16

I have a VR headset. I'm wondering if there's like a.

Speaker 2 23:18

VR. Yeah, a VR component Like outside camping night Cause it can't be like on your face, you know.

Speaker 1 23:24

And you're not gonna feel the wind.

Speaker 2 23:26

You're not gonna feel the wind. You're not gonna feel the. Also, I don't think. Yeah, the choruses of bugs. This is a humanoid evolution sleeping chamber. It's like trying to optimize, like what's the best night of sleep we've evolved to have.

Speaker 2 23:44

And it was not complete silence on a feather bed with metal springs. You know, I think we're built to feel incredibly and I don't wanna say controversial things about homelessness. I'm against homelessness. I just watched a fantastic YouTube video about how Finland has, like, eliminated homelessness through these wonderful social policies. I entirely support doing those housing for social policies to help homeless people and, you know, live. But I also think I think it's important to see their lifestyles not solely as damaged but to see that there's some positive reasons too. Right Cause if it was uninterruptedly terrible, then people would just, they would be seeking out being in shelter more than we do see people. It's called sleeping rough. That's how the Finns. They didn't say being homeless, they called it sleeping rough. So it was like are you like out sleeping kind of under the in the elements?

Speaker 1 24:43

Well, and there's definitely a wide range of experiences. I mean the idea that all homelessness is the same, or all in-house people are experiencing the same like journey Right. Some are.

Speaker 2 24:54

And maybe a very hellish experience.

Speaker 1 24:56

Some may be saying I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 24:58

I'll stop when I wanna stop. Whatever you know and I support you know giving those people tons of support you know, because they've been screwed over by a bad system. But it's interesting to kind of say, well, okay, but let's take what about? What about? And camping why do people go camping?

Speaker 1 25:18

you know, they're intense mostly To roast marshmallows.

Speaker 2 25:21

But they could also not be intense. I wanna tell people, put your tent away or even put your tent up and use it to change, or like if you're with other people and you wanna use it to change or have sacks or something. But, then then go out of the tent and just sleep on the ground. It's awesome, it is so nice Like I can't explain it, because it's like if you were like I've never drunk water before, I just get liquid other way, you know.

Speaker 2 25:51

And then I was like no, we've evolved to drink water. We're humans like water is great. And then you, or like you've never been to the ocean, you've never been to a lake. Human beings are evolved to really value the bodies of water. Yeah, we just evolved to be like. This is important. If you'd never seen that the first time you see it, you're still going to like it because you're evolved to do it. I don't know. There's something about what we're primed through our evolution to really like.

Speaker 1 26:18

Very cool.

Speaker 2 26:18

Yeah, we'll see, so yeah. So this is an I don't know what it's solving, though I guess it's just trying to make sleep better for people.

Speaker 1 26:25

We are getting a whole fleet of people out there sleeping just on their backs on the ground, I guess.

Speaker 2 26:31

Let's do it. I think that's Coyote's best night, or like raccoons are going to come over, I wonder too like we do have a lot of people like you were saying you're blessed to be able to just sleep comfortably, but like we do have a problem with people just feeling like they just can't sleep. Oh, that's a huge thing Given like a Victorian bedroom. That's what we have. We have Victorian bedrooms. We put the mattresses made out of springs. Now we have, like this kind of NASA memory foam, which I already have said like terrible.

Speaker 1 26:57

I don't know if anyone should have that stuff. Dude, I slept in a memory, actually, I think women probably like memory foam.

Speaker 2 27:01

That's fine, but for men?

Speaker 1 27:02

get it out of here. I slept in a memory foam bed the other day.

Speaker 2 27:05

Just I was, and it was terrible, so hot, like it was very hot. And I felt like I was like an action figure in one of those like blister packs where it was like exactly made for my body so I could move left or right, and I woke up and like my back and my neck all felt weird.

Speaker 1 27:23

Yeah, memory foam is trash.

Speaker 2 27:24

So like whether it's memory foam or whether it's like spring mattress pillows stuffed with cat, with like goose feather. I mean this is a Victorian thing, but what is the future? The future is sleeping on purple. I'll give another plug for the purple mattresses. You sleep on the purple hyper elastic polymer and then you have your sleep. What'd you call it? Night dome?

Speaker 1 27:48

Your night dome over the top.

Speaker 2 27:50

And then you're just laying there and you don't wear anything to bed, you just wear like a light silk pajamas, you know, and no blankets just leaves and sticks.

Speaker 1 27:59

This is so short by Louis Vuitton. We've used our mattress based solution before we got a mattress like a mattress sponsor for the thing, because mattress sponsors are some of the first to swoop in on pods.

Speaker 2 28:13

We'll get one. All right, we should contact one. All right, let's wrap up. Okay, we wish everyone an excellent night's sleep.

Speaker 1 28:25

Yeah outside or inside. If you're one of those weirdos that sleeps inside, I think.

Speaker 2 28:29

Shakespeare called sleep the golden chain that ties our days together.

Speaker 1 28:34

What.

Speaker 2 28:35

Oh, it's just gorgeous. It's a little too fancy, bro. Sleep needs to become this like gorgeous thing that everyone gets a part of their life.

Speaker 1 28:44

Oh, I like sleep.

Speaker 2 28:45

I'm a big and, conversely, you said you just close your eyes and open them. You don't even what do you mean?

Speaker 1 28:50

Yeah, but I mean when I don't have enough sleep and I'm sleepy all day you like the effects of sleep.

Speaker 2 28:54

Yeah, of course I like being well rested. I like sleep itself. Okay, I think sleep itself is this like gorgeous thing we can?

Speaker 1 29:02

enjoy like a meal, you know, we can just like enjoy sleep, Not me when I eat, like they set down the food.

Speaker 2 29:10

They set down the food and I blink and it's gone, it's empty. It's empty, just crumbs.

Speaker 1 29:14

I've got like all this stuff over my face and everyone else at the table is looking at me with wide eyes like what just happened.

Speaker 2 29:20

And I'm like what, what, what, what happened.

Speaker 1 29:22

Everybody Where'd you?

Speaker 2 29:24

All right. Was I not showing good manners?

Speaker 1 29:27

They're like you, housed an entire lasagna in four seconds flat. Don't talk about lasagna.

Speaker 2 29:32

I'm hungry. All right, let's go get some food. Thanks everybody for cruising in New solution every week. Oh, we didn't even do our intro.

Speaker 1 29:40

This is Solutions for the Multiverse. Hi, I'm Scott Moppen. I'm Adam Brouse, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 29:44

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Speaker 1 29:49

We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 2 29:50

All right, we'll see you then, thanks, for stopping us All right, see you everybody, bye, bye, thank you, I've never slept outside, I mean with no tent.

Speaker 1 30:32

No, I don't think open, I don't think I have.

Speaker 2 30:34

Okay, it's stupid Awesome. Oh it's awesome. It feels so good to sleep outside what what?