Solving Sugar Cravings: The Quest for a Sweet-Free Life | SFM E89

Ever wondered if Venus, the goddess of love, could catch waves on her iconic shell? We've got that covered, and much more, in a whimsical journey through art and the lighter side of life's curiosities. Our banter takes us from the strokes of Botticelli's brush to the pressing question of why our toothpaste tastes so darn sweet. We'll share laughs and insights, exploring how the classics influence our modern hobbies, and even venture into the trial and tribulations of concocting homemade toothpaste – because who doesn't want a little DIY in their dental routine?

Prepare to have your taste buds and health notions stirred as we pop the tab on the diet soda debate. It's a fizzy topic, with artificial sweeteners under the microscope and their baffling link to obesity. But it's not just about what we sip; it's about the minty freshness we swish every day. We'll discuss an intriguing toothpaste experiment that might just be the secret weapon against sugar cravings. Join us and our guest experts as we scrutinize our daily habits and ponder the possibility of a sweetness-free lifestyle – one toothbrush stroke at a time.

Finally, we brush up on the nitty-gritty of natural toothpaste and consider if a sweetener-free grin is within reach. I'll recount my own saga of ditching the sugary paste for a concoction of my own, and the discoveries that came with it. We'll also muse over the potential for natural toothpaste companies to disrupt the sugary status quo. And for dessert? A dab of dental humor as we consider whether our ancestors' confectionery choices might just influence our modern palates and practices. Tune in for a dose of education peppered with giggles, and who knows, you might just find yourself rethinking your brushing ritual!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

so what were you saying before you started off with oh, I want to go buy a cello today, today.

Speaker 2 0:09

Well, I'm talking to someone on facebook marketplace about buying their cello and it looks pretty good and it's only 500, which is very affordable for a nice student cello. You know, do you?

Speaker 1 0:22

play cello, are you a?

Speaker 2 0:23

big. You know, let's not get into details.

Speaker 1 0:26

Let's not, you know, get into the weeds. It's a good price for a cello. What are we talking about here? What am I some sort of a noob? I'm not gonna recognize a great deal on a cello when I see one. I figured you were doing it so that, because of the art connection what art? Well, after you buy a cello, do you know what that makes you? No, what does that besides? That makes you the famous artist bought a celly bought a celly.

Speaker 2 0:53

Oh my god bought a celly.

Speaker 1 0:56

That's funny oh, that's so dumb, I'm sorry, I love that that caught me off guard.

Speaker 2 1:03

That was a deep, that deep.

Speaker 1 1:04

That's why I had to hit record as soon as you said I bought a cello, I was like how do I get this?

Speaker 2 1:09

That was where your first thing, your mind went to.

Speaker 1 1:12

As soon as I heard you say the phrase bought a cello, I was like we have to record right now so I can work my way to a Botticelli joke.

Speaker 2 1:19

Oh yeah, our lives are either working towards or away from a Botticelli joke. It's really true for me it's the high point or low point of life. It's the apex and nadir of every day of my existence.

Speaker 1 1:43

Now wait, here's where I'm bad. What did Botticelli do again? Was the uh venus de milo. Is that sculptor painter?

Speaker 2 1:51

painter, is he venus de milo botticelli was the venus, not the the minus on the half shell.

Speaker 1 1:59

Venus on a half shell, that's who I'm thinking botticelli is the, the naked ven Venus on the shell covering her bits.

Speaker 2 2:06

Yeah, it's the biggest or it's the first nude non-religious nude in history since the Hellenistic, since Roman art. That's a great painting. I mean it's famous just for being the first nude, like of the Renaissance. But it's good that the first nude wasn't just like a crummy painting, right? Because then we'd have to like look at this stupid ugly painting all the time and be like it's the first one. It's really stunning too, which is great I'm looking at it now.

Speaker 1 2:40

I've never really like I've seen this picture before in the world, but I've never really like I've seen this picture before in the world, but I've never really like examined it closely and what I've noticed venus, right, the birth of venus.

Speaker 2 2:49

Yeah, what I'm noticing now.

Speaker 1 2:51

Let's see what it's called that the birth of venus from 1483 to 1485, classic. Uh, what I'm noticing now is that she's not just standing on the shell, sitting there like it's moving, like she's surfing. The shell is surfing, it's moving.

Speaker 2 3:04

She's surfing. Yeah, she's surfing, right. She's bodyboarding this shell over to the shore. Yeah yeah, that's pretty fun and there's a wind blowing.

Speaker 1 3:14

It's almost like her body is the sail and the shell is like a boat, thomas, right, there's a personification of wind. I'm assuming that the floating people who are? Blowing the wind at her are supposed to be, like.

Speaker 1 3:27

You know, the essence of the divine yeah, the cipher or something and then someone else on the shore has a cloth, like let's get some clothes on you, lady. Yeah, they're like let's get you, you get, let's get you covered up, because she's wearing all the clothes and this other lady is surfing on her shell wearing none of the clothes the woman's cloth, the clothes and this other lady is surfing on her shell wearing none of the clothes.

Speaker 2 3:44

The woman's cloth, the clothes that she has on, is so cool, all the rippling cloth.

Speaker 1 3:49

It's just fantastic.

Speaker 2 3:51

It's a fantastic contra posto pose that she's in too Right. So she has all her, all her weight on her left leg and she's sort of chilling there.

Speaker 1 4:00

It's fun. I definitely knew this, the composition of this. I just that's fun. I definitely knew this, the composition of this. I just I never processed that the uh, if the shells move, it was just trucking along there in the water, yeah not.

Speaker 2 4:09

Yeah, I didn't realize either that she was this kind of sail for the wind. If you look over to the right side, it's where the wild things are oh, yeah, right over there, if you just see, I think if you just scan over to the right a little bit. It just turns into where the wild things are. All right, should we do a solution? I have one.

Speaker 1 4:30

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 4:32

Okay. So what do I hold here in my hand? It's a tube of it's like a silicone tube of toiletry. It's like a toiletry tube right.

Speaker 1 4:40

Who knows what's inside?

Speaker 2 4:41

So in this is toothpaste that I made Homemade toothpaste Okay. Who knows what's inside? So in this is toothpaste that I made Homemade toothpaste Okay, okay, now there's nothing necessarily special about that.

Speaker 1 4:50

I made it homemade. This is toothpaste that you crafted, right? Not that you secreted. I did not secrete it out of my own, okay, that would be amazing.

Speaker 2 4:59

I just took all my teeth and I ground them up into paste, and now it's toothpaste. We've lost the fun I've been meaning to say your smile looks very different today.

Speaker 1 5:11

Gummy, kind of gummy smile don't know if I'm into the change, but yeah you do you okay.

Speaker 2 5:16

So the solution is it's not homemade toothpaste. You could, you could well. That's the thing. You can't buy toothpaste that is like this toothpaste. Although this toothpaste is not very special, it's kind of a very run of run-of-the-mill diy toothpaste so tell me about your.

Speaker 1 5:32

Uh, okay, so you're allowed to give us the secret ingredient.

Speaker 2 5:35

Yes, yes, so that's not a secret ingredient, it's a secret lack of ingredient. Oh, it's a secret absence of ingredient. Okay, which is sweetener?

Speaker 1 5:48

you're making a no sugar, no sugar no sweetener toothpaste.

Speaker 2 5:53

You cannot buy this.

Speaker 1 5:54

I cannot find a single toothpaste that does this let's pretend that I'm a weirdo and I don't like regularly read and memorize the the ingredient lists of toothpastes. You weirdo, is that a thing that is in all toothpastes? I have not. Okay, I've literally never thought about the sweeteners in my toothpaste, so this is the solution.

Speaker 2 6:14

But okay, your question is good and this is the solution. But let's get to the what the problem is. Okay, so the problem is interesting. So all toothpastes have sweetener in them, okay, and actually they have a lot of sweetener, and kids toothpaste especially are really really sweet. They have a ton of sweetener in them and the usual sweetener that people put in it is xylitol sure I've heard of that yeah, delicious stuff, xylitol.

Speaker 2 6:40

So xylitol gum everywhere yeah, exactly, it's in gum, because the research shows that xylitol is actually good for your teeth. But it is a sugar. It's a well, it's a. It's what's called an alcohol sugar. So it's not a glucose or fructose, it's a sugar.

Speaker 2 6:57

But anyway, it's a different kind of sugar and and it and it has, uh, fewer calories and you can eat it, but you probably shouldn't eat it. But it's good for your teeth and it's sweet. So people are like, well, ipso facto, put that into. You know, presto, abracadabra, let's put that in anything it has to do with teeth. Right, gum, you know, toothpaste, you know whatever xylitol, right.

Speaker 2 7:26

Other toothpastes also use like more natural toothpaste, still sweetened. But they use stevia because stevia is perceived as a natural sweetener because it's made out of the stevia leaf and it's just an extract of a leaf and so it's called like a natural sweetener. So they can say no artificial sweeteners. But they're using a natural sweetener, stevia, which is very sweet, right, and it sweetens the toothpaste, okay, and everyone thinking about this, scientists across the board, are thinking what's the harm in a sweetener that'll make the toothpaste sort of taste better, right, but won't feed the bacteria of your teeth, right, if you put sugar in it?

Sweetness and Obesity in Diet Soda

Speaker 2 8:03

that would be ridiculous because you'd be actually counterproductive right sure teeth sugar, so they would then grow more multiplied, of course, for your teeth to eat sugar, right, or have sugar present in your mouth, okay. So that is the end of the story for traditional scientists and toothpaste people, okay, and dentists and everybody. If you ask this is what they say. There's no harm to having a sweet toothpaste, as long as it's sweetened with an artificial or a non-sucrose, non-glucose, non-fructose thing, because the bacteria won't eat it. Okay, false, false. Because the bacteria won't eat it. Okay, okay, false, false. So it turns out. It turns out. There's research from artificial sweetened soda. There's research to show that artificial if you drink diet soda which is all artificially sweetened, you will have similar levels of obesity. For people who drink tons of diet soda, they will get overweight as if they were drinking sweetened soda, right, right? And and it's it's weird, because that doesn't make any sense they're not consuming calories, right?

Speaker 2 9:12

so if our bodies are like calories in, calories out robots, which is what most scientists think of our bodies, yeah then it wouldn't make any sense for diet sodas that were sweetened with sucralose and aspartame and whatever to lead to obesity or gaining weight of any kind like it. Literally, you should be like slimming down, like losing weight, if you're drinking diet soda, but you don't and people don't know why well, they're like my, my.

Speaker 1 9:39

What I've heard is that they're like it's something about the trigger. The sweetness in it is still triggering your body's response, like it was getting those calories, even though it's not. We don't know exactly why, but it is and it's, and because of that reason, right, they're like. A diet soda is not the miracle cure you might think it is. It's still triggering your body to do all these things. Even though the calorie number isn't going up, all the results are still kind of happening. So it's not a free ride I get you.

Speaker 2 10:08

So that's one explanation. The other explanation is maybe it's just toning up your flavor baseline for sweet. So all the rest of the day when you drink your diet soda, the whole rest of the day, maybe for 24 hours or whatever, you're ready for like more sweetness because you've already amped your palate up to like extremely you have an m&m more than you would have, or or like yeah, yeah, snack on something that you would pick, because even, and even when you're trying for that, yeah or even when you go and eat at a restaurant and the salad dressing is kind of sweet, you're primed up to it and so you're happy with the salad dressing being a little sweeter and actually, if things aren't amped up to that level, they taste kind of plain and basic.

Speaker 2 10:51

because you've already set your sweetness of your tongue up to 11, right, Because I mean you've already drank this thing. That was incredibly sweet. So, those are the two explanations. It might be both put together, that there's metabolic things that just happen when your mouth tastes sweetness, and it also might be that you're kind of toning up your flavor and then the whole rest of your diet is amped up. The sweetness is higher because you just want it to be sweeter.

Speaker 1 11:17

Now I understand a toothpaste scientist wanting to do this because it's like in every other part of the body. You scrub your arm with soap, or you scrub your hair with soap or wash your hands. You don't have to worry about how that tastes, because your tasting parts aren't on anything else that you're cleaning. But when you're cleaning your tasting part now, you're like oh right, soap, the cleaning products don't taste good. What do we do for this? But you're saying you've made one that doesn't, so what are you doing different?

Speaker 2 11:49

So here's what I'm doing I took all the ingredients that weren't a sweetener and I mixed them together into a perfectly good dentist-approved toothpaste. I found a recipe dentist approved recipe, DIY toothpaste and I just put all the ingredients, except I didn't put any of the sweetener ingredients.

Speaker 1 12:06

So you're saying it's just aqua or it's just fresh, it's just fresh no aqua, I left all the aqua out. That toothpaste actually fascinated me as a kid because it came out of the tube as different colors yeah, you know what I mean. Like they would come together and then you'd be like how is it okay?

Speaker 2 12:24

yeah, anyway, how'd they get it in the tube in layers?

Speaker 1 12:27

what is happening here?

Speaker 2 12:28

my god, but yeah. So basically this is a solution for sugar cravings.

Speaker 1 12:34

That's the solution for today this is a literal solution by the way it is. You're is a literal solution by the way it is, a solution You're bringing a literal solution today. It's like a paste, it's like a semi-solid solution.

Speaker 2 12:42

Yeah, it's not a liquid, but yeah, it's a paste.

Speaker 1 12:45

All right, so what have you?

Speaker 2 12:45

done now. So my theory is and I've proved it, I've proved it with an N of one. I've been using this toothpaste for almost three weeks.

Speaker 1 13:00

So of commitment for this solution, wait, n of one just means N of one, meaning there's only been one someone that's been tested on me, which is me, and it's totally not double blind.

Speaker 2 13:06

I'm totally aware of everything.

Speaker 1 13:09

Wide open eyes.

Speaker 2 13:10

Yeah, just full placebo effect. But I mean, this is of course everyone knows, this podcast is about hypotheses, not about proof, so we need someone to run an actual experiment right.

Speaker 1 13:19

Yeah, this kind of experimenting on yourself is what got Dr Michael Morbius in trouble. Actually, I got to tell you, he turned into a living vampire?

Speaker 2 13:26

It was not good. Maybe that's what this will lead to me doing too. You know this toothless or sugar-free toothpaste.

Speaker 1 13:32

So what do I put in my toothpaste if I'm trying to steal your solution, if I'm trying to steal your solution.

Speaker 2 13:36

Well, what you have to do is you have to make your own toothpaste. Right Again, what I'm saying is you cannot buy this that I've found. I researched a lot.

Speaker 2 13:43

But, I'm saying, do I I found maybe one toothpaste, but I think it still had a sweetener in it, and I even didn't put like peppermint, like a lot of natural things will put like a peppermint oil in it. Sure, sure, and, and the peppermint is sort of sweet, but you don't think of it as sugary but it still has a strong flavor that masks whatever else is going on.

Speaker 2 14:02

Or licorice, is also extremely sweet, even though it's actually doesn't sound like it's not sugar, but it's actually extremely a sweet flavor. So I just left everything out and I just and it doesn't taste bad. This tastes like clean. I don't know Clean, you know neutral. It tastes extremely neutral.

Speaker 1 14:21

Yeah, I'm trying to imagine, because it's a white goo. I'm trying to imagine how it's just a way, I guess you would start with like baking soda and mayonnaise, right, yeah, so it's, it's one part mayonnaise.

Speaker 2 14:31

You did, you guessed it. You did guess right straight to the. You got a good eye. We should get you in a chemistry lab. What does that?

Speaker 1 14:38

look like my teachers always told me I had a good eye. We should get you in a chemistry lab. What does that look like? My teachers always told me I had a good toothpaste eye you really do, yeah.

Speaker 2 14:46

So here's the here's. I think what will be exciting for people, though, because so far people are thinking one of this for dentistry or for teeth. This is nothing to do with teeth. The solution here has nothing to do with teeth. The solution here is sugar cravings. So I had my like for 10, more than 10 years. For like 15 years, I've been like no, like low, no sugar generally. Uh, a low, at least low glycemic index and p, and we've talked about this podcast before like cutting sugar is a solution to lots of things, um, especially you know body, you know weight, losing weight and being healthy and having worse days, feeling like less happiness what less?

Speaker 2 15:27

happiness. Right, exactly, the best antidepressant we have is fructose. But so, even though I've been having no sugar for so long, I I still would have these like major sugar cravings and I would. I would feel like I couldn't really control myself, like if I ate a cookie. I have these like cookies that I like to eat, that are like high fiber cookies, but they're also a little bit sweet and I just would like I was like five or seven, like seven of those in a day.

Speaker 2 15:56

And I was like man, I'm a cookie monster is so many cookies, um, and which you, if you add up the sugar, even though they're only like but you do eat them with both hands and you chew with your mouth like wide open and mostly they just fall on the ground because they don't get into my.

Speaker 1 16:12

I don't think it's a calorie problem, it is a cleaning situation it's a major problem with cleaning up afterwards.

Speaker 2 16:18

But my point is I and I know other people who have been low, who have done low sugar diets as well still complain of sugar cravings and they still are like man sugar I miss. Like they kind of have this like sugar relationship even though they've cut sugar completely out of their diet okay, which is not what you see in other elimination diets.

Speaker 2 16:40

Like I've never heard of vegans saying man, I just wish I could eat a hamburger they say, after a few, you know, a month or two, they're like I don't even want meat, like, or the same thing when I was dairy. I'm still dairy intolerant, but I I take my dairy pills and I eat dairy stuff all the time, but when I before I was more religious about it, I, I just didn't want to bother and so I just didn't eat dairy at all and I didn't eat ice cream for like 10 years, and after about a year I was like I don't even care, I don't even really like it, I don't really want ice cream, like if you do an elimination diet, you should get to the point where your body just reaches homeostasis and doesn't care when.

Speaker 1 17:12

You realize why you cut it out in the first place out in the first place.

Speaker 2 17:19

But with sugar this doesn't happen with people, and people, I think, chalk it up to oh well, our bodies are just made to love sugar. Like if a prototypical human being in the wild like came across a freaking berry bush, they'd lose their damn minds. It's great, it's such a rich energy source and you know they would have just loved the berries no matter what. But I don't think that's true. I was gonna going to try and prove you right, Cause I was like right.

Speaker 1 17:39

I went through 10 years without brushing my teeth and I'm trying to remember if I but I was eating nonstop candy and soda dirt.

Speaker 2 17:46

So maybe it wasn't really fun. 10 years.

Speaker 1 17:49

A lot of you know I have a rich dentist around, so lucrative.

Speaker 2 17:54

All my teeth. So my theory is and this is what this whole solution depends on, and I think it's true is every day, once or twice. I mean, if you brush your teeth twice a day, once a day, whatever three times a day, however many times you brush your teeth a day, you are coating your mouth in sweet flavor and that is doing either, like we said, like the sugar-free sodas, it's either triggering all those metabolic processes, that's gonna to make you have obesity anyways, and or it's jacking up your flavor profile for sweetness and I've found since I started to use Dr Brouse's oh no, thankfully I have brothers who are doctors.

Speaker 1 18:36

You're not. Yeah, you're almost.

Speaker 2 18:38

So it's not me, and I'm going to get a PhD in ethics.

Speaker 1 18:43

So Dr Brous's, brother.

Speaker 2 18:45

Dr Brous's brother's.

Speaker 1 18:47

Brothers.

Speaker 2 18:50

Sweetness-free toothpaste I've found totally unscientifically, because it's not double blind. I know exactly what I'm doing, so there's like a placebo effect, but I believe that if you do this it jacks down. If you eliminate sugar, eliminate artificial sweeteners and change your toothpaste to a sweetness free toothpaste, so you've eliminated sweetness throughout your whole day, okay, after two or three days you stop craving sugar. I think my sugar cravings have gone down by three quarters.

Speaker 1 19:20

Wow.

'Natural Toothpaste and Sweetness-Free Solutions

Speaker 2 19:21

Yeah, 75%, I'd say I still like. If I want a cookie, I might eat a cookie, but I eat two instead of like seven.

Speaker 1 19:28

Okay, I am noticing something that is conspicuously absent from this conversation. Yeah, what's that? We are talking so much about the benefits of the rest of your day from having brushed your teeth. I want to know what two minutes is like that you've got this in your mouth, what?

Speaker 2 19:43

are we tasting here? Oh, it's gross. Oh no, that's what I was afraid of. It's like dead bugs. I'm like are you?

Speaker 1 19:48

It's dead bugs in your mouth. We've had dead bugs in our mouth. That doesn't scare me anymore.

Speaker 2 19:53

That's definitely worse. No, it tastes like you know, like Tums, but unsweetened Tums. Oh, that's another thing. You can't have sweetened Tums. I don't know I don't think I've ever had Tums. Oh really, I grew up on Tums. They were like Tic Tacs in my household.

Speaker 1 20:10

I haven't had Tic.

Speaker 2 20:11

Tacs. It's an antacid. It's like an antacid tablet and tablet and you chew it up. But usually they're sweet and they have like a mint, a mint or like a candy flavor. But that would destroy this. Like you can't do that, anything that's sweet, right?

Speaker 1 20:23

you can't eat so what are you jack up your foot?

Speaker 2 20:26

this tastes like um, it's hard to say what it tastes like. It's extremely neutral, okay. It's like, I would say, the cleanest mud you've ever found, or clay or something, although this isn't a benonite. So some people make dent toothpaste out of ben and benonite bent bentadite. It's like a clay. Okay, I did not make it out of this because I found out that I read that you cannot be certain that the benonite you bentonite you get does not have lead in it, because some of it's polluted good news, bad news.

Speaker 1 20:57

And unless you have like a lead, sugar-free bad news. Unless you have a lead-testing kit, sugar-free bad news Lead-full.

Speaker 2 21:02

Yeah, but this one's not. This one's made with calcium carbonate and baking soda and a little vegetable glycerin. These are all completely neutral, completely safe things that could never hurt you. I'm not against fluoride. Some people are like fluoride is bad because they think it's like a, like an endocrine disrupt I've heard that conversation back and forth yeah, but I don't think it matters.

Speaker 2 21:23

Like if I were gonna market this and sell it, I would make like a fluoride full and a fluoride free. You could also use the nano hydroxylite or whatever is like another alternative to fluoride. You could make it with that and people don't think that's an endocrine disruptor, even though it sounds scarier even the floor.

Speaker 1 21:42

I don't know fluoride I've already forgotten what it was called.

Speaker 2 21:44

Yeah, yeah, nano, hypoxic, tight or something, but it's supposed to help with the remineral or me remineralization of your teeth. Anyways, the point is to avoid sugar, yeah, but the tooth. But my point is every day, everyone who brushes their teeth which is everyone, hopefully once or twice a day, hopefully you are jacking up your sugar sensors in your tongue, which is bad for your body and and will then either will make you have sugar cravings the rest of the day and or might even just cause metabolic issues for your body.

Speaker 1 22:17

Isn't that?

Speaker 2 22:18

interesting Look at that Solution from the MV.

Speaker 1 22:23

New toothpaste. New toothpaste Make your own. So how do we get people this recipe? Because I'm a lazy person.

Speaker 2 22:30

I don't want to look it up. What do I do? I can link the recipe in the show notes. It's extremely simple, although it is kind of expensive. I bought probably enough ingredients to make like like I don't know, two gallons of it.

Speaker 1 22:44

Oh, so this is a business, you need people to buy this from you no, no, no.

Speaker 2 22:48

I'm saying if you want to make your own, you're in your lab making giant toothpaste vats, if you want to make your own you have to commit to, you know minimum, the minimum size of ingredients that you need, like three grams of in like a tube this big. That costs $40.

Speaker 1 23:07

So you can't buy like little amounts of the chemicals you need to make it.

Speaker 2 23:09

Yeah, who are?

Speaker 1 23:09

you, john colgate, what are you trying to? Yeah, buy all your toothpaste, but what?

Speaker 2 23:13

we need is for a toothpaste company to recognize that there is like toms. I mean, it could just be like an all-natural toothpaste company like toms could just release a sweetness-free flavor, and then I would buy it and I would hope more people would buy it too, because I think it really does make a difference. Okay.

Speaker 1 23:33

So how long are you going to continue? You've got two gallons of this now, so you're going to continue for a while.

Speaker 2 23:37

Well, I have enough ingredients to make two gallons. I've only made this much, probably like three ounces. Was it a laborious process? Or you just like mix it up in a bowl, mix it up, it turns into like a paste and then you like kind of mash it into this tube and then it it has, when I took it on a plane, all the like glycerin and water like separated out and it became like a hard paste and then it really didn't reincorporate, so I wouldn't take it on a plane.

Speaker 1 24:03

Well, you think that's just the altitude messing with it.

Speaker 2 24:08

I think the pressure made it go through a separation process, but then since I brought it home again, it's gotten.

Speaker 1 24:16

And have you gotten any other test subjects to try out your paste, or is it just you so far? End of one.

Speaker 2 24:25

I was going to have my wife use it.

Speaker 1 24:28

You know it's got actually a really good consistency now adam is really good open to the lid on his little travel bottle and he's staring into it lovingly it's like a silicone like a proud father wish it, yeah good boy, look at what I have made.

Speaker 2 24:45

That's a good pig. That's a good pig. That's a good pig like babe. Yeah, this is actually a really good. Uh pace now. It was a little bit wet when I first made it, but anyways, that's the solution. Very cool.

Speaker 2 25:00

Stay away from sugar make your own toothpaste and either make your own toothpaste or let's get a little letter out to the, to the companies, and say well, I? I should say too that I I was also looking for protein powder, because occasionally I'll have a protein powder. Almost all protein powders have stevia in them. Ah, because it's perceived as a healthy. It is healthy, like they've studied stevia. It's healthy, it has health benefits.

Speaker 1 25:25

It's a vitamin A. Straight shot of protein is not a tasty situation, so they've got to do something there.

Speaker 2 25:32

And they don't want to put sugar in it because everyone's like scared of sugar, which actually if you did it with glucose it wouldn't be as bad really. Or even like low fructose, like we've talked about before, like talked about before.

Speaker 1 25:42

Right, but they're like we want that calorie number to be zero, so Stevia it is. So they do.

Speaker 2 25:45

Stevia, but. Stevia is extremely sweet, sweeter than sugar. It's much sweeter than sugar, and so they make these ultra sweet tasting powders, which are supposed to be improving your health, right, because they're these healthy protein shake things. But actually those people who use those protein shakes are going to end up with metabolic issues and with amped up taste buds for sweet, which are then going to hurt their health goals the rest of the day when they're trying to avoid sugar. And so I also got a protein shake.

Speaker 2 26:18

So to do this experiment, I didn't just change my toothpaste, I also got rid of all Stevia products. Like my protein shakes, I switched to a protein of stevia free protein powder, which you can buy in whole foods. There's a uh flavorless, like an original flavor vegan protein powder. Okay, that that that has no stevia in it. It's just it's like pumpkin seed protein and that's all it is bro, are you putting protein into your toothpaste?

Speaker 1 26:44

is that why you're?

Speaker 2 26:45

that's how I got these muscular teeth. I got these buff teeth dude, really buff teeth. So I had to get rid of the stevia I has from my protein powder. I also had to get rid of my toothpaste that had xylitol in it. And then I was looking for other secret sweeteners. You know Tums. I didn't realize until just now, secret sweeteners, so I got to get original. You know no flavor Tums.

Speaker 1 27:10

You have to. You're on a mission to get rid of all the Get rid of all sweets.

Speaker 2 27:14

Sweets in your life, because if you eliminate all sweets, then all the cravings go away, because it becomes like an elimination, a true elimination diet. And now I don't, and then I wouldn't house cookies all day long, which would then help me reach my goals, my health goals.

Speaker 1 27:30

It's like when you're blind. Your other senses are heightened. Yes, and you can have daredevil powers if you can just get rid of the sugar in your life.

Speaker 2 27:38

I've also noticed that with sugar. So if you eliminate all these sweeteners that are everywhere around us completely, including toothpastes and medicines and protein powders and everything, then food has too much taste. If you eat like a bowl of rice, it's like a bowl of ice cream. It's too much. It's so good? No, it's great Like. Imagine if you could eat a bowl of ice cream for dinner.

Sweetness Levels in Dental Care

Speaker 1 28:02

That's what eating like a bowl of rice with like meat. Well, yeah, you can eat, anything you can eat I'm a grown-up, I can do that if I want it does.

Speaker 2 28:08

I noticed this when I was in japan. Did you notice this in japan?

Speaker 1 28:10

because eating bowls of ice cream for dinner only when I was really sad actually like in japan, the traditional food has no sweetness.

Speaker 2 28:19

No right, yeah. And then they give you like a sprig of mint for dessert and you're like, oh my god, this sprig of mint tastes like amazing.

Speaker 1 28:30

Well, there's definitely a milder sweet profile, like where in sweets, because they'll have stuff that is american sweet, and then japanese people are like no, no, it's too sweet. Yeah, but like a, you know, you get like a sweet mochi, yeah, with like a little bit of a sweet red bean paste inside and you're like this this is delightful.

Speaker 2 28:46

This is the perfect level. Yeah, the Germans do it too, the Germans. Everything's less sweet in Germany. Everything's toned way down, wow.

Speaker 1 28:53

Well, the Germans and Japanese should like team up or something. Yeah, has that ever not gone well in the past.

Speaker 2 29:00

Very well, very well.

Speaker 1 29:07

So we should see this on the shelves soon.

Speaker 2 29:11

Dr Brous's Brothers.

Speaker 1 29:14

Flavorless paste for your teeth Flavorless toothpaste. Flavorless paste for your teeth things.

Speaker 2 29:21

Flavorless tooth powder. I like it. I like that. That's fun, I love it, love it.

Speaker 1 29:27

I love diy. You know what we are doing this on zoom, but if we were in person I would try it.

Speaker 2 29:30

I'll try it next time, okay I see you if you, I'll, yeah, I'll bring, if you make me a little smudge, or bring me a little bit, I'll, I'll give it a brush. Yeah, I mean, I mean that I don't. I'm not, you know, I'd be fine. Because here's the thing I'm not some like crazy person who's like oh, fluoride's an endocrine disruptor like I've. I've used fluoride my whole life. All I can tell my endocrines are working just fine. Like I got endocrines.

Speaker 1 29:53

They're working, you know so you drank a six pack of fluoride last night.

Speaker 2 29:57

Just yeah, delicious, delicious um, so I'm not scared of all that stuff. So I'm not afraid of, like some dental scientists, making a super sophisticated you know, chemical toothpaste. I'm not against any of that. My point is just all of those scientists have decided that it's fine to include a lot of sweetener, right, and that's the problem you're like maybe we don't have to start, so I didn't make a diy one because I'm like it's made out of eucalyptus bark and dirt.

Speaker 2 30:27

You know, like I didn't. I didn't do it to like be a a gaia mother or something. I did it only because I just wanted to get the no sweetener, which you want to show the dental scientists the way yes, and so for all of our dental scientist listeners, of which there are many, we have a full wing of dental scientists on this podcast.

Speaker 1 30:50

Oh right, I notice that every time the dental science block downloads the episode, we get a big bump.

Speaker 2 30:58

Their comments are toothy, toothy, oh no, toothsome, toothsome, that's a great word. Toothsome, toothsome, tooth, tooth, some tooth. I mean it means delicious right. Houndstooth, houndstooth, favorite pattern, great pattern. Also, what's an, what's an alternative? I mean, do you know of any other patterns that have a name like that? Nope, bluetooth wipes bluetooth, which is named after houndstooth, a norwegian king. Did you know that King Bluetooth yeah, bluetooth is named after.

Speaker 1 31:28

No way. Okay, adam, you can't just throw a nonsense. Lie at me at the end.

Speaker 2 31:33

It's not a lie. In 1990, said to be named after King Harold. Bluetooth 910 to 85, credited with uniting Denmark and Norway. As Bluetooth technology unifies the telecommunications and computing industries, holy king harald bluetooth. It's named after him and the. The bluetooth symbol is a modification yeah, it's a modification of the of the holy cow, I thought you were pulling my leg no way man. That man, that's the weirdest thing ever.

Speaker 1 32:06

Amazing.

Speaker 2 32:07

Yeah, oh, it's because the three industry leaders Intel, Ericsson and Nokia met. So Nokia up in Finland, right.

Speaker 1 32:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 32:14

Met to plan the standardization of short-range radio technology and during the meeting some guy Jim Kardach from Intel suggested Bluetooth as a temporary code name.

Speaker 1 32:27

That's wild. This guy from Intel suggested Bluetooth as a temporary codename. That's wild. This guy from Intel was like let's call it Bluetooth.

Speaker 2 32:31

I didn't even believe that, and then it was like let's just keep calling it Bluetooth.

Speaker 1 32:35

Alright, you want me to throw you an obscure king name? Bring it on. Okay, you know Nimrod.

Speaker 2 32:40

From the Bible you call people Nimrod.

Speaker 1 32:43

Oh, Nimrod is an idiot.

Speaker 2 32:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 32:44

Do you know King Nimrod? No, what he's famous for in the Bible and why he got.

Speaker 2 32:48

I know he's from the Bible but I didn't know he was an idiot.

Speaker 1 32:50

King. Nimrod's the guy who said why don't we build a tower so tall it gets to heaven. This is the Tower of Babel story. That is the idea. Each other, nimrod, when they do something dumb, so there you go.

Speaker 2 33:08

Not a great legacy, trade a little historical king facts with you. Yeah, that's pretty good Historical king. Yeah, should we finish up?

Speaker 1 33:17

I love it.

Speaker 2 33:17

Toothpaste everyone. Take all the sugar, take all the sweetener out of your whole diet and see if you stop getting sugar cravings. I think you'll see that it works.

Speaker 1 33:27

Go out to your not stores and don't buy the toothpaste that's not there, because Adam has the only bottle of it. Or just don't brush your teeth at all. Oh, that's good. Yes, don't brush your teeth, that's what we should be telling people Protected bike lanes and don't brush your teeth.

Speaker 2 33:36

That's the two messages of the pod and we're starting a dentist office, so do you have any problems with that? No, tooth brushing, you can always come, drop by this sfm. Come by for all your dental science needs and we will be happy to hook you up. All right, everybody. See you next time, keep it climaty, indeed. All right, bye, thank you.