From OnlyFans to Industry Stardom

Get ready for an eye-opening conversation with Liam Branagh, an up-and-coming adult entertainer whose journey has taken him from casual OnlyFans creator to collaborating with studios like Raw Road Nation. Liam opens up about his first collaborations, the impact of social media on his career, and his aspirations to work with leading American studios like Men.com and Naked Sword.

Join us as we explore the highs and lows of working in the adult industry, from exhilarating travel opportunities and unforgettable experiences to the challenges of expanding one's reach in a competitive market. Don't miss this chance to learn about Liam's plans to work with Michael Boston and his upcoming trips to America in pursuit of his dreams.

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Speaker 1: Music Hi Liam, how are you doing?

Speaker 2: I'm good thanks. How are you?

Speaker 1: I'm good thanks for doing this with me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2: No worries, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: Good, good, so I'm just gonna jump right into it. I want you to tell us about yourself, What you do, where you're from, just a bit of your background.

Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm Liam Brenna. You joined me in my real name.

Speaker 1: No, not necessarily. You don't have to unless you have nothing to hide.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but nothing to hide, but yeah, so I'm from London. Yeah, i'm 35.

Speaker 1: Yeah, where in London are you from?

Speaker 2: I'm from North London, so like things will be parkway.

Speaker 1: Nice, not far from me anyway. Okay, so what do you do? what do you do for a living?

Speaker 2: Well, I do only fans.

Speaker 1: When did you start? when you started doing it on the fans?

Speaker 2: I started. Well, i probably started about four years ago. I probably started four years ago, but I feel like I count it more properly, that's probably three years ago. This summer is when I feel like I really started doing it properly and I started collaborating with people. Before that it was just kind of, you know, having a page taking videos of myself in my bedroom and that's about as far as it was, and it was just like, oh yeah, i've got that and it's something I just didn't really take seriously. But I'd say three years ago. What's the say? was it three or two years ago? I should know that really. No, i think no, it was two years ago. Actually, two years ago is when I kind of started taking a serious and started doing it properly.

Speaker 1: Really, So when you say properly, is it in a kind of more permanent basis than you used to Did. You used to do it sporadically and then it became more permanent Three or two years ago, like when it was sporadic.

Speaker 2: It was just basically me having a few dick pics on an only fan's page. That was it, and then some before. So I think I kind of thought to myself I started, you know, and then in lockdown and things, because I was never really on social media or anything. And then, i think, in lockdown and everything, i was looking on Instagram. I started seeing what was going on and things like that and these guys on Instagram, big on Instagram, and thought, okay, and then I think I started trying to get my Instagram followers up and I started reaching out to people and things like that. And then so, after we came out of lockdown and everything, i started making some collaborations happen. I think before that, having said that, i think it must have been in the December, in between the lockdowns, i did one, my first collaboration, and then, yeah, and then we went into the winter lockdown again. So then, so after then, from then on, i kind of consider it as that's when I started.

Speaker 1: Fair enough, because you've mentioned you reached out to people. Are you allowed to say who you reached out to and how did you get to where you are now?

Speaker 2: Well, my first ever collaboration was Massage Mode and he Amadeus, i should say, i think he goes by, so he was my first one and I thought, okay, i can do this. And then I think there was another. I might have had another one in the pipeline, but the thing that really got things moving was boy Marco Polo did a group scene and we were chatting and we were saying, yeah, let's film this film. And he said I'm doing this scene, i want it to be a group, do you want to come along? and I was like, yeah, cool, i'll come and do it. But I didn't really. I personally feel like that's what got things moving, because when he posted all of that stuff on Twitter, it got a lot of attention. And then people were just reaching out to me after that and just, yeah, like, do you want to come out? and then my collaboration kind of really took off.

Speaker 1: Was it already big when you collaborated with them? and so because you said in a group, so I presume they were more famous or known people in the industry that you filmed with. Is that what helped you?

Speaker 2: I think so, and I think yeah, because I didn't really know the scene. I don't need to see a few little things on Instagram and stuff. I didn't really, you know, like in terms of like, not that there's anything to do with it, but up until really pretty much that point, the only case I'd ever been to was Q-BAR in Leicester Square. You know, i just wasn't on the scene or in any shape or form. So when I got there and then some of the people that were there, i didn't realise, like you know, they were, you know, quite well known in it and also I think a big part of it was I was new, you know. So it was like, oh okay, we haven't seen this person before. I think that was something to do with it as well and this was two years ago, and where are you now?

Speaker 1: I mean, i'm asking as if I don't know it, but I wanted you to tell us how you got, because you work with companies, with some companies. can you name them? and how did you meet the directors from companies that you work for?

Speaker 2: Networking really just yeah, networking, doing like meeting people along the way and so on. Really the only real studio I've really done so far is for Cutleryrex and Royal Road Nation. So where I am now I want to do more studio stuff. I want to venture to America really.

Speaker 1: Would you move to America if your work was there? No, you can't live there or you'll have home too much.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Right. So which company would you work for? I mean, I know a few, but do you have any in mind, What's a big one that you actually think of? I'll be there, you know, if I work for a certain company.

Speaker 2: I think you know, like Nated Sword Mencom, You know one side of that really I think would be good.

Speaker 1: Fair enough, okay, can we go a bit deeper? No point in telling okay, because I was going to ask you. Actually, i'm going to go a bit lighter for the time being. So what are the highs and the lows of working for the industry? What do you think?

Speaker 2: It's a tricky one. The highs are. You know I get to travel more than I expect to. You know you can be in some fun situations. Sometimes I look round and I think, wow, like this is. You know this is crazy, Is this happening?

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, like not even just like I don't mean about doing the scenes, i mean just in general, like you know the places it takes you and stuff like that, and sometimes I'm like you know, this is crazy.

Speaker 1: Are you talking about events that you go to or?

Speaker 2: something more general than that. Just I just remember one time, just events like even going down, going to cities, going to, like you know, being in the Kit Kat Club in Berlin And getting the tour of the whole place when it was, like you know, shot And you know, being in Paris, and just places that I wouldn't necessarily I've gone. I know that case that you would just visit. But you know just that and just some things like that, and then obviously, like the grabby, awards are fine.

Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that. I mean, we'll get to that, but have you been to America and have you filmed in America yet? No, not, yet No.

Speaker 2: But I've got some people that I need to work with. So you know, they're just like when you're here, let me know I need to do. Well, one of them is someone I really want to work with, michael Boston. That's a big one for me, so it's just a case of I was going to go there last year, but I did so many other trips, it's just hard to get. So hopefully that I will get over there, because I think that's. You know, because the problem is is, you know London is only so big. So you, you know you do the rounds in London, but then you need to get to other places, and you know, i've been a little bit from around Europe now, but now it's come to the point where I need to get to America and Brazil.

Speaker 1: Oh, do you have anyone in mind in Brazil?

Speaker 2: I mean a few people. But yeah, Yeah, Fair dude Okay.

Speaker 1: Tell us about the grab your words. So when did you? how many times have you been to the awards ceremony? Twice.

Speaker 2: Twice, I think the first time they did them they did. I went for the first time last year, but I think up until then it had been COVID, So it was. You know, it was really happening. So that was in Torremlino, So I think previously they'd been held in London.

Speaker 1: So this, this was a new thing, So you went there not long ago, right, so it was what last month, two months ago.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in April And how was it Yeah? How was it? It was fun. I think I was. Yeah, i had a. Really I had a good time. It was really fun. Like I, you know, knew a lot more people. This time I was more relaxed. I knew what to expect. The first year I went out a little bit like a deer in headlights, i think Yeah.

Speaker 1: Imagine you know that's what I would be. Imagine if I went three times. I would still be the same. Did you? did you get to network? Did you get to meet any directors, any anyone that owns companies that you may want to work for?

Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is good And that's that's part of the big reason that I went, because I knew it was good for networking. So for me that weekend was work. You know it wasn't partying Yeah, it was. For me it was very important. And that's how I tried to see this stuff. I don't see it like a party and a jolly. Like I see it. I try to be professional.

Speaker 1: That's interesting that you said that, because I was going to ask you, because you said yeah, so I can only imagine your life in the fast lane when you work in this industry. but it sounds like you. you're doing it, it's work. It's not your personal life, it's just work, and you can separate it too. Did you get nominated? I don't remember No, not this time. But you have been nominated. I know this. I have.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the first year and that was that was a surprise to me That was, yeah, i wasn't expecting that, because I think I'd only been, i'd been doing it less than a year. So I think, yeah. So I think that in this year I was like, so look that, that that year I didn't win, yeah, and I was like, well, you know, next year I say, you know, i want to want to be nominated, so I didn't. But then, to be honest, i'll be honest, my output this year wasn't as as much as as the first um, cause monkey pops happened and that that um, you know. So I did through the summer, when that was kicking off, i did take a bit of a break from filming because I just was dubious. So and then I, yeah, i just wasn't, i wasn't filming as much as as what I did the year before.

Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, so it's okay. What about the laws of working for this industry? Do you have any anything that you want to share with us?

Speaker 2: Yeah, i guess, just like another part of me having less output last year was also, i have a love-hate relationship with it, with what I'm doing. Um.

Speaker 1: For some reason? I'm not. I'm not surprised, you know, obviously not. Um, not judging out how, uh, be the last person to do it, but people have. What do you think about the stigma though? Cause people, and then we'll obviously we'll get back to what you want to say, but people have a huge stigma. You used to have a huge stigma about porn in general, but gay porn, um, do you think the stigma has died down a bit? Do you think it's still there, but it's in a sneaky way? Cause that's what I think.

Speaker 2: Um, if it's there, it's going to be in a sneaky way, because otherwise I feel I feel it's not. I don't feel like it's looked down on, I feel like anything is kind of more celebrated, but I don't know whether that's because I'm in that circle and that's. You know, I don't, I don't. I think it's hard for people for you to feel that when you've got so many people around you that are doing the same thing. But do I feel that about people that aren't in it? I don't know. I think people that aren't in it would be more disneyty, because no one makes me feel like it's bad.

Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I completely get what you're saying. So, in other words, you know and take this the right way. you're in a bubble, So you're with your echo chamber, etc. Yeah, that's fair. What about them? Because you're going to say you have a love-hate relationship with it. So in what way?

Speaker 2: I think that's as well. Like part of my time was sort of on the fence, like should I carry on doing this, should I not? I think my family doesn't directly know that I'm doing this. It's not something I've been open enough to talk about, so I think in my mind I've always kind of got a bit of a guilt. I think deep down I would love to be. I'm not saying I'm like well-known, but I'd like to be well-known for like singing or acting or playing football, you know, rather than this.

Speaker 1: I was just surprised with the singing. I didn't know you wanted to be a recording artist.

Speaker 2: Right. I mean, I'm not saying I necessarily want to be those things, but I'm just saying I'd rather want to be. I think we all want to be, not all, but I think we, you know, for the best part. Like when I say I'd love to say like, say, if I'm doing a show, So I'd love to say, oh, I'm doing a show, like you know, I'm on the stage, in the theatre, as opposed to, yeah, I'm going to be in a sex show.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? I get it, but why is that?

Speaker 1: Do you know what? Because you know. sometimes I think about that and I think what people might experience. Is it because of the stigma? Is it a subconscious thing? or you just think because it sounds like you're doing well, you know what I mean, But do you want to do something different? It doesn't have to be better or worse, it's just a bit different than what you're doing now.

Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, i've always maintained my normal job and I've always made the decision to do that because I don't want that to just be my bubble. So I've always kept that up. and there was, you know, there's times when I thought, should I just jump ship and do this like full time? But I think I've always said to myself, no, do you know what? Because you don't know how long this will last, you know, and there's only so long I can do it for anyway.

Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that because I was going to ask you. I know some people move on from being not moving on, but they choose a different path from being actors to have their own company, to be producers, directors. Is it something that crossed your mind before?

Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've got a good friend who really I remember when I met him he sat me down and he said, right, this is you know, this is where you can go with this. And I was just in shock. We always laughed at this day because he's like, when I met you, you were so serious and you looked so shocked because he was still talking about I could do go go dancing, i could do live shows, i could do this. And I didn't know what he was talking about, i didn't even understand. And he said, eventually, what you want to do is you want to. you want to, you want to do what you can with what you're doing. And then you come full circle and you move away and you rebrand yourself with something different. So that's always been in, that advice has always been in the back of my head. And it's complex because you know, once I do want to settle down and I don't want to, maybe I'm moving on to you know different subjects.

Speaker 1: I was going to ask you. I know where you're going, but yeah, go on.

Speaker 2: But you know, and that's all part of it, you know, that's all part of the things that, like you say, what are the downsides? The downsides are what does it affect my you know? would it affect my relationships with people, with future people? Does it, you know, and not only that? I mean I could go on and I could go back, but the thing is, you know it also, it does kind of have an impact on your actual sex life and your relationship with sex, because sometimes it's like it's like I feel it's an obligation.

Speaker 1: It's work, and that's what I said before. You seem to be able to separate it too, and because you know, you're conscious of that, so I think you're already separating. Because you mentioned relationships, i really wanted to ask you about that. What's your current situation?

Speaker 2: I'm single, yeah, yeah, and there was a point in my time and I'm pretty much like this, but I was really having it as a hard role. But you know, i was there was. There was a point when I started. I was saying the only time I'm having sex is when I'm filming And that's and and, and you know, because the fact is when I started, i started this, i was in a bad way. I'd had a really bad relationship, two really bad relationships, and I was treated really badly. It went, it ended and I was at rock bottom And so I was kind of numb when I started what I was doing, so and I didn't expect like it to pick up. So then it's one of those situations that I was in it And then one day I thought like I didn't process it. So sometimes, every now, i'll catch myself and be like, yeah, i want to do it.

Speaker 1: You realize after a while. You don't realize until, yeah, I get it, until it's years had sometimes, Yeah, But yeah because again, maybe because it's the stigma some people don't want to be in relationships with people from the adult film industry. To me it doesn't really faze me or it doesn't really bother me, But yeah, I guess it tends to happen. And is that one of the downsides for you then? Are you even bothered at the moment? Because some people, some people think of their careers and all sorts of careers first and foremost, and then comes relationships.

Speaker 2: Yeah, i mean, obviously, like I want to establish, establish myself, i think for me, i've had friends say, you know, you'll never meet anyone while you're doing this. But well, i wasn't meeting anyone before because, you know, really my ultimate thing was that I wanted to meet someone and settle down and have a relationship, but that wasn't happening. You know, i was to people who just just was using me, treating me badly, things just weren't going well, and I thought, well, i might as well just, you know, if I'm going to be doing this, i might as well do get something out of it. Yeah, so then, so that was part of it as well. So I was already in that frame of mind. So I was.

Speaker 2: So, when people or people say to me things like oh, i don't know what you're upset about, you know, you can, you can have anyone and you can. You know and my point is aside I'm not get. I mean, maybe I am getting more, but I can get more people now. But it's not like I had a problem with it in the first place. There's not. My life has dramatically changed in that respect and And yeah, so I think, yeah, I think I'm going off track, but anyway, you know, I mean not at all Completely get it and I agree.

Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying. I Think. I think people think in just because you work in there, in port, in the foreign industry. You're not gonna get relationships as easily and that may be kissed for a lot of people, i think. But I think in 2023, even in the industry, would you date anyone? from the point of history?

Speaker 2: I mean it's come up. It's come up and Something. You know, i've kind of found myself in situations of safety in the beginning and but, like I say, it's hard for me to To judge what I was thinking about them, because I was kind of numb and I'm not gonna say I didn't know what I was doing, but I was like I think I Think it is one of those situations where I Was kind of open to it, but then I was open to a whole new world and would I date someone in it? Yeah, and I I'm very jealous, i'm a very jealous person. So I think maybe not. But then at the same time I kind of feel that I feel like when I meet the right person, yeah, then it will be time to give it up, to stop.

Speaker 2: If, because I Don't want to be in that I don't want to be in that situation where someone says, okay, so you can do what you want. So so to your doing this so many times, i can do what I want And I just that was it.

Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm gonna push you push back a little bit on that, because I love that you're saying that. So let's say, cuz you know, you yourself know how to separate Work from pleasure and what makes you think that your boyfriend wouldn't know, i mean, from the point industry, i Think I do. You care about that.

Speaker 2: What about we're? but yeah, okay I think, I think you'd be an excuse to have a free pass and Okay, okay, anyway, let's move on.

Speaker 1: Let's talk about all the fans in particular, because I think more and more people are doing it, more and more people think It's an easy way to to get into the industry. So, and I don't think you're right, i don't think it's the stigmatizes it used to be and I don't think it's just because you live in a bubble, so to speak. But Do you think that's accurate then, and would you have any advice for someone who's willing to do only fans or porn in general for a Live, and do you recommend people who have not done it and they're, they're about to?

Speaker 2: I would say make sure you are Okay mentally, if you can take that in the best way possible, just because it, you know it's more taxing on you than you can realize And understand. It's not, you know, it's what I've kept. The ends of the day, it's still something you have to put effort in. It's not like You know I'm gonna, you know, you know, opening only fans and make six, six grand a month. It's, you know it's work, it's it's chasing collapse, it's Editing, it's it's marketing. You know it's it's not any business. You've got to put the, the effort in and And you know so I just say, you know you just got, but you just got to be prepared for that. It's not as simple as as you think. And also, yeah, try not to get emotionally involved, because you know I'm Treated like a job and I'm, you know, like, think, i'm professional, but you know that's not to say was always that way, you know. You know so I. You know, sometimes in the beginning it's hard, especially when you've never had sex at the job.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you've never done it. So it's it's taxing, as you said. Okay, so that's a very good point, but when it comes to your Side career, as you said before, what would you tell your wrongs, your youngest self then, before you went to do? would you? would you go for it? Would you go knowing what you know now? What do you think?

Speaker 2: Yeah, i think I still would have done, because in the back of my Mind I always felt like I should try to Do something. Yeah, i take this wrong way, but do something with what I have. So.

Speaker 1: I Think.

Speaker 2: I think if it had got to to, you know the point, where in you know, when I'm 80 years old, i would have looked back on fortune I bought. I should have done that. Do you know what I mean? I think, and it's one of those things, that's only in the past couple of years I realized I had Something that you know, hmm.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what you said before. You don't realize until until Time has passed. Yes, i know what you mean.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think I think I'm I always did kind of think I should do something with this, and Yeah, and I did, and I think I Yeah, so I'm glad, i'm glad I'm doing it, but I frustrate myself because I'm very ambitious and I, you know, As you know, there's nothing wrong with being ambitious and it's not as if you're not doing anything about it, you know.

Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, i just want to kind of keep pushing on and keep, because then sometimes I think I You know, it's like I said, i've got this love relationship with it And I think sometimes I think I should stop. But then I think, well, i put myself out there now, but I come out there, it's for everyone to see, so I might as well push it to the The limits to reach where you want to be.

Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Wow, but then a boyfriend would Possibly change that right. Is that what you just said?

Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, but you know where are they?

Speaker 1: Well, they're everywhere. Probably not in the places where you, what people, are trying to look for anything.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, because you mentioned what your aspirations are. So anything in the near future, any anything in the pipeline, any events that you're attending to in the future, Yeah, there's a few things I've got.

Speaker 2: I'm gonna, i'm gonna sit down and I'm getting my Rest of my year mapped out for now is concentrating more on the pride, that sort of stuff like tendon nose and I've got some. I'm gonna do something for London pride and So things like that. And and yeah, i'm just planning trips and I've got a trip to Barcelona coming up. That's, that's gonna be quite good.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be when it is.

Speaker 2: I'm hoping to get there for July, really Okay, yeah, so, yeah. so I yeah there's, you know, things coming up and and things like that and Yeah, and you said price you're gonna be busy the summer.

Speaker 1: You mentioned London. Are you going to any? yeah, the pride.

Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the Madrid pride, but it's cashes with London. Oh, didn't know that So yeah, it's the same weekend, So that's a bit unfortunate. So that was the one. You know, one that I did want to hit, but yeah, so I just was at Gran Canaria pride. That was fun. Yeah, so London's the name, so on you live in the life.

Speaker 1: Are you going to Manchester?

Speaker 2: pride Have you been to my pride.

Speaker 1: That's in August. You know the bank holiday in August.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's quite a late one, isn't it? I should, yeah, i probably will.

Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, i think I went last year, but I'm not too sure if I'm going this year or not. I'm still it in two minds about pride, because I used to go to the pride, to that pride, like every year. So I see, i know.

Speaker 2: What about Brian?

Speaker 1: Do you know? I've never been and I know it's the best pride in the UK. This is what people say, and not all the gang, all the celebrities like Britney, mariah. I was supposed to come, yeah yeah, and people said Rihanna was coming this year, but I don't think it's that's gonna happen. So yeah, i don't know. I don't know. I'm going to mighty hopefully, though.

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I don't really like the art is like this My thing why is?

Speaker 1: why is pride, you think, and now eyes, because pride is probably a cause in mighty, hopefully just a festival.

Speaker 2: No, it's just. It's just. No, it's just my personal. Like the, the mighty hoopla one is just Cheesy, i think, yeah yeah, it's very cheesy.

Speaker 1: No, I get it. Yeah, sounds like you're gonna have a busy summer. Then I'm right. And who knows, yeah, we'll be in America soon enough.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for that.

Speaker 1: Bradley, and so let's go into technicality about your role, shall we? yeah job, so. So what's your role in when you're filming? What's your role in the actual I'm a powerball. Yeah, yeah, like you like to show you you got pretty the world.

Speaker 2: No, I'm a top.

Speaker 1: Yeah, is that power top or top verse?

Speaker 2: No, i mean, I don't know how to call myself a power top. Some might say that, but I wouldn't know.

Speaker 1: I'm not a top verse. Okay, this is an interesting question, i think so. Who's your favorite person that you filmed with?

Speaker 2: I can't say that.

Speaker 1: You can say the favorite. I do think the other ones will be upset about it. Really.

Speaker 2: No, do you know what it is? It's like have you ever been in that situation where someone says to you Oh, what are your hobbies? and in your mind goes blank and you can't think yeah, yeah, do you need some time. Yeah, i need to like think about it because, like suddenly I don't remember anyone that I filmed with.

Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned a few. You've mentioned boy Marco Polo, you've mentioned massively mode or Amadeus. Yeah, i'm joking, we don't have to address that. It's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, but I've. You know I'm not even joking, like I was saying this, just just you know. You know I'm being serious there. I've had a good experiences generally like which with everyone, good with everyone. Yeah, yeah, everyone I've had good experiences with, and you know. Yeah, so that as far as you can remember?

Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as you can remember. Do you? do you have any any funny stories about filming or anything at all?

Speaker 2: No, i think something awful, but nothing that can like, nothing that comes to the top of my head. I just remember doing one big.

Speaker 2: It's not even funny, but I just remember like one time we did a group scene and then afterwards we all went out to beat, to express, and we were just all sitting and I don't know like it was just that and that was just one of those situations, and I was quite new to it at the time and I just remember sitting there thinking like, wow, like, and if I need, these people knew what.

Speaker 1: We just didn't say that I was thinking, that I was thinking what you know, the family next to you, what they might have been thinking. Oh, well. Yeah, it's your business and Any moments that you want to, okay, i wanted to ask you about this and what about the, the toxicity in the industry? because I've also read something about the mental health impact that the point industry causes and How people don't talk about it. Enough is anything that you can share about it.

Speaker 2: I Mean I yeah, i can only kind of talk about my experience, but the toxic work I mean, i mean, do you mean like kind of in crowds and things like that?

Speaker 1: anything, anything that that. For example, if you've ever felt trapped doing what you do, i think you you, you kind of are in a different case because you can leave the industry at any time. Some people go to point industry because they probably feel like, did they have no, nothing else? You don't feel they have anything else to do with our professional lives and they probably don't enjoy the industry And they probably feel they have nowhere to turn and they're probably getting to drugs. They're probably getting to I don't know different vices. Yeah, industry.

Speaker 2: Yeah, i mean, i do think you have to be careful and that's why I said I've maintained my job. I always have something to do the next day. I always have obligations. I've always got to be up the next day because, you know, when you start getting like people start recognizing you and knowing you, comes with it a lot of like invitations to parties and things like that. So you, you know you you have to. You know people, people, you know You know things like that. So you do have to be be careful that you don't go get caught into that that rabbit hole of Of you know drugs and things like that. So I think that's something you do have to be careful of. And, like I say, it's good for me, because It's good for me because I've always got something to be up for the next day And that's why I've always tried to maintain my normal job and normal, normal life.

Speaker 2: I think You know and I don't really you know, i think for me Be in the top the expectations people have of you. Sometimes it Gets me down a little bit because you're always, like, expected to be this type of way and to perform in a certain way and You know, sometimes I feel pressure With that so have you ever had a moment where you didn't have any erection and you had, for example, you had to take Viagra in order to?

Speaker 2: yeah, Yeah, like yeah, because I think and because for me, like I say, i'm ambitious, i don't want to work with anyone or do anything where anyone comes away saying, you know, you can't rely on that boy, you know I, you know I want to smash it literally every time, mm-hmm. So sometimes the pressure, you know the pressure gets to you because everything I do I'm taking it as this is. You know, this is my shot. So sometimes, you know, when this something means a lot to you, because, like I said, i've thought about stopping, then I think I'm in it, so I might as well push it. I'm there now, i'm doing it, i'm out there. You know, i feel like I might as well. You know I want to, i want to do well in it And because, if the, you know it, when it comes down to it and I have to have that conversation with, with my family of stuff, you know, i want to be able to say, yeah, this is what I'm doing, but I'm doing well in it.

Speaker 2: Yeah you know I, you know I don't want it to just be I want. That's what I want to say. So I feel like I sometimes, when there's pressure involved, yeah, performance-wise you do, you can struggle Yeah do you think you'll ever tell your family what you do? I'm. I was thinking about this yesterday and I was thinking about about telling my mom because I was Telling her about someone and I was found myself only telling half of the story.

Speaker 1: So one day, you know, from from, from born.

Speaker 2: I was telling her about someone who wasn't in it and their opinion of what of Me and some of the actions that they done, and but because It doesn't if this makes sense, because, like she didn't know that, they know that I'm doing this, it was I was only giving her half of the story and that's when I thought, you know, like I Can't really sit there. Doing this.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, it's. It's kind of suffocating in a way, because you're not being a true self. I know there are some things that you can keep it to yourself I get it, but this is part of you, it's a huge part of your life.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's especially like when you know I'm going and getting nominated and things like that. It's a little bit like And so yeah. so that I think and that is a big part of why I feel Negative sometimes about it, because I feel guilty that they don't know that I'm doing this, That's for me. I mean, they do know, they haven't told me.

Speaker 1: Because you know if you get more and more famous and then they will find out somewhere one way or the other, especially if they use internet like place, like Twitter, instagram, anywhere. Sometimes you can, you can even come up as an advert, so you never know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can, yeah, so yeah, i have to remember that.

Speaker 1: So, yeah, lovely, i mean, i really enjoyed our conversation. I thought there was a, it was a great insight and the advice that you have for other people is something to To look up for. Really, thank you for doing it.

Speaker 2: Welcome.

Speaker 1: Actually, i have some questions that they're like like questions. They have nothing to do with the subject. Yeah, because I, at the end of my episode, always ask about food. Yeah, okay, so what's your favorite dish?

Speaker 2: My favorite dishes probably about going chips okay, there you go, americana favorite drink. It is a lot of Caposte.

Speaker 1: There you go and any, any like any restaurants that you in London that you recommend. Like is nice. I know I'm not this. Listen. I've been there a few times. Do you wanna go at some point? Yeah, we should go.

Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas not sexy fish is quite nice. Where's that Mayfair? okay, that's nice, see food kind of restaurant. Yeah, well, and it's. I know sushi stand by quite a lot, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: That's a popular one. Yeah, have you been to? what's it called, i think, since oh and Show to a maté? I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. No, no, i'm probably not pronouncing it like in a way that you understand. Anyway, yeah, lovely, okay, well, i could speak into you. Yeah, you too, yeah, and yeah, see everybody.