On The Level Podcast
Some people think Freemasonry is on the decline, not if we have anything to say about it! Join On the Level Podcast as we explore that Esoteric side of Freemasonry. We talk about the inner workings of our Fraternity, how to apply it's teachings to your every day life to become a better man, and general current events. Join our host and guests as we explore Freemasonry together and bring our ancient craft into the modern age!
On The Level Podcast
Exploring the Influence of Liberal Arts, Science, and Generational Politics on Society
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What if the ancient teachings of Aristotle and the Greeks could illuminate a path to liberating ourselves from ignorance? Join us, as we guide you through the labyrinth of the liberal arts and sciences, shedding light on its profound impact on our understanding of language, speech, and rhetoric. From the art of speaking eloquently to the influence of geometry on society, discover how these disciplines have shaped our world and continue to push the boundaries of human understanding.
Have you ever wondered what the power of melodies and chords has to do with harmony? Or how the politics of different generations have shaped our society? We'll take you on a journey of these fascinating tangents, exploring the harmonics of nature, the influence of music on our emotions, and the ramifications of the baby boomers' financial decisions on future generations. We will also delve into the realm of scientific advancement and faith, examining how they coexist and their implications on our understanding of the universe.
As we reflect on our podcasting journey, we realize the importance of taking these virtues to heart. Every step of this journey has been a lesson, and we're grateful for the opportunity to share these experiences with you. So, whether you're here for the first time or a regular listener, we're excited to have you with us as we continue to explore the mysteries of life, the universe and everything in between.
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Hey, chris, yeah.
Speaker 2Fred.
Speaker 1What's a Mason? That's a really good question, fred.
Speaker 2You've reached the internet's home for all things masonry. Join Chris and I as we plumb the depths of our ancient craft, from the common gavel to the trowel. Nothing is off the table, so grab your tools and let's get to work. This is On the Level. Well, we are back. We are back, thank you.
Speaker 1The claps don't come through in the recording.
Speaker 2Yeah, they do. Now I fixed it. So, yes, everyone got the clap. Did they get this? I hope they did. I see it on the it's registering on the sound board. Yeah, so we're making advances here and there as we go, so thank you very much. Sound engineer Fred, who doesn't know what he's doing but is learning.
Speaker 1Traction, who didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker 2Didn't know, now he knows, he does now.
Speaker 1And knowing is half the battle, wow.
Speaker 2What up, what up, brother?
Speaker 1You know, just another day in paradise.
Speaker 3Yeah right.
Speaker 1Lots of interesting things going on, yeah. I have our Grandmaster's official visit to our district 23 tonight, very excited, which will be well passed over when you hear this.
Speaker 2Yes, that's right, and I, you know I had. I took all of my stuff to the dry cleaners to get cleaned, Not realizing that I need it tonight.
Speaker 1Oh, so you need flip flops with socks.
Speaker 2Well, I'm hoping and praying that it'll be done. I dropped it off on Tuesday. They're usually pretty quick, but if not, I'm going to have to figure something else out, because this, this is the ball nights. This would be the night to to make sure you're dressed correctly.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I told my wife we have to sit at the big table this time because I'm the president of the master mason association.
Speaker 3Right, so I have to sit up there with those guys, yeah yeah, yeah, and I'm like, see, got dressed nice.
Speaker 1And she's like, ooh, she got all excited. And she's like going through her closet. She's like, how sexy can I get?
Speaker 3I'm like sexies you want baby, how sexy can you be?
Speaker 1I'm just going to be mad about that Right on. So we'll see what she comes up with tonight. Well, that, that, that will be a good look on you, my brother, yeah right, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, and for our district, and for our district.
Speaker 2That's right, I was in. I was at the shrine last night and they were setting the tables and setting up the room. The Sahib shrine, Sarasota Sahib shrine, which I am a.
Speaker 1Oh, they're getting it all prepped and ready.
Speaker 2Yeah, and they were all in there setting tables out, and the big table that you're talking about was set, so I know exactly where you're going to be sitting. I'll be sitting in the very back corner being quiet.
Speaker 1hopefully the lodges have tables.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1Hopefully we'll have a bunch of people at a table from Sarasota lodge.
Speaker 2Well, I will definitely be there. I know Schaefer's coming.
Speaker 1Is your wife coming.
Speaker 2She is not. She's busy, unfortunately, and she made you know this has been obviously in the plant in the works for a while, yeah, and she already had something planned. So, nope, going to be stag, which is fine. I don't plan on staying late unless we're going to record there, and we're still kind of waiting to see.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm going to have to send some texts and see if we can get some.
Speaker 2Right, there is a room that we can use to record in. So and I, you know we're the this this system is easily moved, so we'll set it up there and hopefully maybe we could get the one I dropped off and blew a foster.
Speaker 1Yes, that's the person that was going Most wishful.
Speaker 2Foster was the first one Most wishful foster would be great If we could redo his that interview of his. It breaks my heart that we lost that. I lost it because it was so good, it was so so good, and and so we will be uploading the cat Sula. Cat Sula's cat Sula's interview. I did, we do have it, and it's just a matter of converting it from that gigantic, massive wave file to an MP3. So yes, three hours later it'll be done, we finally recovered our very first recording with right wishful Tom Haber.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1It was our very first one and wound up being our like sixth interview we published Right.
Speaker 2And we've always confessed to everybody listening that we we really don't know what we're doing, but we're learning, we are learning. We are learning.
Speaker 1So the hard way, making every mistake along the way.
Speaker 2Well, we'll, we'll let that one pass by. But, yes, amen, brother, yeah, but hey, hey, we're willing to own up to our mistakes, we are willing to apologize for our mistakes.
Speaker 1That's the key.
Speaker 2And, and that's the key.
Speaker 1And we are willing to learn from our mistakes. So if you admit you made a mistake, you feel really bad and you learn from it. Was it a bad thing?
Speaker 2I don't know. It sounds like we're. You know we're working to figure out how we can best work and live to get. I don't know how's that go. Again, I forget.
Speaker 1Best work and best agree.
Speaker 2Yeah, so that's all about hey, forgiveness, mercy, humility, correction, moving on being better, all about it, man, I'm all about that.
Speaker 1We're always open to your feedback. If you think we're doing a poor job, just send Fred an email at Fred and on the level of fredandquistcom and tell him what you think.
Speaker 2I will take it. I will take it. I speaking of emails that I've received, you got some good ones. I got some, some really good emails from a lot of brothers and comments on Facebook and comments to.
Speaker 2For everybody who is aware of the situation that happened in my life and family's life, and for everybody who reached out to me, please know that every single email, every single text, every message that I received was was just huge in my, in my life, I'm I, just I have. I asked my wife last night. We were sitting there at home talking and I said are we, are we handling this in an inappropriate way? Because I am not. I, I feel like I should be more broken. I feel like I should be more emotional. I feel like I should.
Speaker 2I'm not an emotional person at the beginning but because of your situation, because of the situation and she's like, well, no, because of the amount of support we have and because of you know our faith and we, we know that, we know, you know where, where he is, so we're we're able to grieve in a different way. And I was like, yeah, you know, that's right, that's right and I'm grateful for that. And those cards, the cards and letters this is how old I am, catch up to the nineties, fred, your emails and your texts, my telegrams, all those telegrams from.
Speaker 3Western.
Speaker 2Union yeah.
Speaker 1So all the faxes from the brothers are you?
Speaker 2the fax, yes, fax machine. The only people that use a fax machine, of course, is the local governments. They still do like the building department. They still use a fax machine, I don't get it and lots and lots and lots of paper, because they're so green. Anyways, we'll stop right there.
Speaker 1Well I'll say uh, my mother recently passed and I had similar situations. People were telling me you're handling this weird or whatever. But I had a good friend who said I want you to know however you feel about the situation is the right way.
Speaker 3You're right, there's no wrong way to handle a situation like this man brother, that's right.
Speaker 1That's it is. Whatever you're feeling is a valid good thing for you to be feeling right now, if it's nothing or what other people think you should be feeling they're wrong. Now you, you know you're going to deal with this on your time and you'll go through the whole range sooner or later.
Speaker 3That's very true. You're going to hit it all.
Speaker 1This is how it is right now. So you know, feel blessed that you feel this way right now.
Speaker 2I totally agree with what you just said. This is us doing it. There is no right or wrong. It is the, however, your hand. I told my son, my um, my, my other son, the same thing, how you know he's. He's questioning this and questioning that. It's like this is this is you dealing with it?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And for anybody out there who's dealing with tough situations. You know, and you're, and other people might be putting stuff on you or you're putting stuff on yourself. Just stop for a second and realize that the way you're going through it is the way you're going through it.
Speaker 3If you know what I mean, if you get my drift, there it it.
Speaker 2that's what it is, and if it's painful, if it's hard, or if all of a sudden you feel relieved or joyous, it is that's the way you go through it.
Speaker 1That's you doing it, that's you doing it.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's right man.
Speaker 1And you go through the others too Over time. Oh, I know, I already feel it, yeah.
Speaker 2After the memorial service it was began that anticlimactic downward move, right when, all of a sudden, all these emotions came about and I, just I was just. Anyway, to all those who reached out, I'm proud to be affiliated with you in this great fraternity. You guys really showed up in a major way in my life and I know I'm in the right house, it seems like it you know this situation had a positive impact on this really bad situation you're dealing with.
Speaker 2It really did, it really did. And my youngest son, my second youngest son sorry, danny, danny.
Speaker 1Boy.
Speaker 2Danny Boy is my youngest, eric would be my second youngest and I was telling Eric the same thing that we're going to we're not going to forget, we're going to move on and we're going to make something positive out of this, and that's already happened in the family. There's a lot of positive things going on and some rededications and just some, some things happening. So, whatever you're going throughout there, brother, please know that if you're a Mason today, you, you have a huge family of people that will step up and do anything for you. You are, you are not short of brothers, not short of people who will, who will step up and help you, and I'm one of them. So feel free to yell out, to shout out to me I owe, I'm on the, I'm on the IO side and I'm ready to, I'm ready to share, I'm ready to give and I'm ready to help. So let's move on to what's next?
Speaker 2I think we're going to jump into the, the fellow craft lecture. And having gone through the monitor, I'm realizing that there's a giant chunk of it we have to skip, just because a lot of it is not published.
Speaker 1So what we thought, that's just for the Mason, that's just for us.
Speaker 2Just for us, not for everybody out there.
Speaker 1So it might be annoying thinking why did they keep talking like that? Well, fred and I both did a lot of research before we became Masons. We consumed a lot of videos and podcasts Correct and we're well aware that people may seek this podcast out as a source of information. And so while we are here to talk to our brothers, we're also talking to people that are just interested in Freemason.
Speaker 2That's right. That's why we say things like that. Yeah, that's right. And our secrets are our secrets. We hold them dear to our hearts. It's part of our fraternity. None of it, none of it. None of it is nefarious in nature at all. There is no nefarious side to Masonry. Sorry, alex Jones, you can, you always beat up Alex Jones.
Speaker 1I've never listened to Alex Jones in my life.
Speaker 2That means you're normal. Really, that guy's a weirdo man.
Speaker 1It's just the guy that just got sued or lost the lawsuit, oh yeah.
Speaker 2He got sued for like a gazillion dollars. Something dummy said. It's the part that most people don't realize. He got sued for a gazillion dollars and laughed at it because that guy's got so much money really from pushing his ridiculous garbage over the years?
Speaker 1Does he talk about the?
Speaker 2Freemasons, oh, all the time.
Speaker 1Really.
Speaker 2Oh no, we're the devil. We're the devil the reason the federal government is pretty much owned by Freemasonry and we are, you know, and he patronizes people like me where he says, well, the average Freemason, he's just you know a civic guy.
Speaker 1You don't know, you're not special.
Speaker 2You don't know what he's into. He doesn't really know what he's into. It's like Jones you don't know what you're into.
Speaker 1Well, where is the nefarious part then?
Speaker 2Yeah, where is?
Speaker 1it. If the mass of the people involved don't know, doesn't that mean they don't see? Yeah, right, right. So where is it Like? Where's all the bad stuff happening? In a secret room somewhere where the lizard people stay.
Speaker 2Right, where does that happen? Where's it happening? Right, because there are lodges all over the world. Right, everywhere you go, there are lodges all over the world. You just knock on the door and go inside and ask them what they're up to. They'll tell you Was Washington a lizard guy?
Speaker 1Well, yeah right, galileo Right, All these people were horrible people. Yeah, Come on man, come on, get your head out your butt.
Speaker 2I try to tell people all the time. You know, originally there was a guy named Art Bell. Have you ever heard of Art Bell? No, art Bell did a show and it was a radio show he did for a long, long time and the name of the show it eludes me, but it was an entertainment show where he proposed all of these conspiracy theories and he entertained them and he was big into aliens and this is back in the 80s. You know I mean way back when.
Speaker 1Coast to coast AM.
Art Bell's Show and the Liberal Arts
Speaker 2Coast to coast AM. That was it and the original show. Once he I think he passed away Dreamland he had a show named Dreamland and Dreamland too, yeah, and they took the show and they kept it going, I think after he either retired or passed away and it became it was really dumb. But when it was live originally, when the show was live Coast to Coast AM, it was kind of fun, it was entertaining. But I don't know if Art Bell ever really there was nothing nefarious about it.
Speaker 2It was an entertaining show where he kind of dabbled in these little occult things and alien stuff and brought the latest and greatest of the conspiracy theory world and it wasn't an Alex Jones thing where he's actually trying to hurt people, you know, where he's actually trying to make money off of spreading all kinds of BS and hate and stuff like that. You know this guy was. It was kind of fun, you know. I mean the original show anyways. You know it was kind of fun and that was during the X Files, when that first came out. That show, the X Files Art Bell, was really big. Some people say that they took a lot of that stuff from the Art Bell show. That show One of my favorite shows ever would be the X Files. Just because I'm such a.
Speaker 3Vince Gilligan.
Speaker 2I'm a Vince Gilligan fanatic.
Speaker 1I think the man's brilliant he did Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul Best shows ever on television my wife refused to watch them because they were drug shows and she's anti-drugs and I said you know what I'm saying? This isn't a pro drug show.
Speaker 2Not at all. Not at all.
Speaker 1You're going to agree with the consequences of being involved in drugs. It's bad.
Speaker 2And the way it's portrayed. Take it from someone who knows it is very, very realistic. They did their homework, they know what they're talking about. Anyway, I'm not trying to push Breaking Bad on anybody, but you should watch it. But anyway, I don't know where we're going with that. Oh right, we're back to. So what we decided, guys, is that we skipped a lot of the middle section only because it's just not. There's giant chunks of it that are not published. So we can't do that. We wouldn't do that. So we skipped up to the seven liberal arts and sciences part of the lecture, which to me, is really huge. And we're going to start at the part where it says the seven liberal arts and sciences are grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy, and Worshipful Burns is going to take it from there.
Speaker 1All of them are totally.
Speaker 3Could you stop me if we get close to something that?
Speaker 1looks like it.
Speaker 2Everything to the end of the lecture, and they should be because these are well-known.
Speaker 1This is part of our culture as humans, while we're talking about in the winding stairs part of this lecture Right.
Speaker 2And the seven liberal arts and sciences. It comes from the classical teachings of Aristotle and the Greeks, and liberal means. It liberates you. The knowledge of these arts and sciences liberates you from the bondage of ignorance. That's what the liberal part is. So the liberal arts and sciences would liberate a man from the bondage of ignorance by being educated in these classical education parts.
Speaker 1So I think by liberal they mean academic right. No, they mean it's more like leaning towards the academic than the physical engineering, like science. This is like thinking philosophy kind of side of looking at life and nature, if you liberal. And that kind of a meaning.
Speaker 2I think, Well, maybe if you Google the seven liberal arts and sciences, you will see it's a specific train, a specific course of teaching from the Greek classics, and they'll tell you that the word liberal means that it liberates from the darkness of ignorance. So if you learn these seven liberal arts and sciences, they will liberate you from ignorance.
Speaker 1Interesting. So, and it makes sense, because the first one is grammar- Ah, grammar is the key by which alone the door may be open to the understanding of speech. It is by rhetoric.
Speaker 2Right, so the next one being rhetoric. So you want me to read the optional part. Yeah For grammar. No one ever reads that one because the darn thing's already so long. Yeah, let's see. So it is grammar which reveals the admirable art of language and unfolds its various constituents, it's constituent parts Constituent, maybe, constituent, const. Yeah, sorry, constituent. Let me slow down. I apparently have had too much coffee.
Speaker 1As always.
Speaker 2And unfolds its various constituent parts, its names, definitions and respective offices. It unravels, as it were, the thread of which the web of speech is composed. These reflections seldom occur to anyone before his acquaintance with the art. Yet it is most certain that without a knowledge of grammar, it is difficult to speak with propriety, precision and purity.
Speaker 1Wow, it's so eloquently stated.
Speaker 2Right, right.
Speaker 1So I want to learn how to talk like this when I grow up.
Speaker 2Well, and remember when in earliest my earliest memories of school. I did not have a good experience with government school system, but my earliest memories are grammar.
Speaker 1Really.
Speaker 2Well learning cursive.
Speaker 1Which they don't teach anymore. They don't teach anymore, Freaking amazing Right.
Speaker 2They don't teach any of the seven liberal arts and sciences in school very much anymore. But the next one being rhetoric, go.
Speaker 1Rhetoric. It is by rhetoric that the art of speaking eloquently is acquired, so grammar is okay. I think I'm picking this up more.
Speaker 2It's picking up.
Speaker 1It is maybe understanding the system of how language works.
Speaker 3Correct how do you?
Speaker 1form words and sentences to make cohesive, Right. So paragraphs that tell your point eloquently and simply. And now we're saying rhetoric is the art of coloring that. Oh, that's good In such a way as it is interesting to hear the grammar that you've put together, right.
Speaker 2Right, so it says. It unravels, as it were, the thread of which the web of speech is composed, and rhetoric, the web of speech. Rhetoric is the art of speaking.
Speaker 1The art.
Speaker 2So grammar unlocks the web.
Speaker 1The mystery, the difficulty of speech, because it's not enough to just communicate succinctly.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1Clearly you have to also do it emotionally. Get the person you're talking to emotionally invested in what you're saying.
Speaker 2And that's where rhetoric comes in, and then, by extension, go with logic.
Speaker 1Oh, logic is that science which directs us to form clear and distinct ideas of things and prevents us from being misled by their similitude and resemblance.
Speaker 2Yeah, so logic. If you take grammar and rhetoric and learn them, the next logical no pun intended. The next logical step is logic I think it's also dialectic is the other word that's used there Dialectic Dialectic is the other word. So logic is the science which directs us to form clear and distinct ideas of things, thereby prevents us from being misled by their similitude or resemblance.
Speaker 1So basically, two ideas that are very similar. It takes logic to identify what the meaning of that is, based on the context, right.
Speaker 2Right. Well, logic forces us to look at a thing and try to figure it out or decipher it, like when you look at something and it doesn't make sense, it's not logical, e-logical, it's illogical, right Right. So, but what? The study and understanding of logic forces us to reason in our minds. A thing, so, whatever it is, I have a very mechanical mind, so for me the logic of a thing is like something that I spent a lot of time thinking about because, having been a builder and having been around engineers and architects God help me for so many years the logic of it, how does it work? How does it make sense? Why is it ticking the way it's ticking? That's the logic and learning. That thing is huge. And I think these first three grammar, rhetoric and logic prepare us for this fourth one, which is arithmetic.
Speaker 1Bless you. Arithmetic is the art of numbering, or that part of mathematics which considers the properties of numbers in general, right and advanced. I hate mathematics.
Speaker 2Well.
Speaker 1But I need to learn to love it Well the world.
Speaker 2Creation is based on mathematics. I mean advanced mathematics is how we explain the world. Sir Isaac Newton's equation for identifying gravity. That's the calculus. That's where the calculus came from. Correct me if I'm wrong. Out there at math heads You're probably all screaming at it. What is this idea talking about? But his equation. He did not explain what gravity is, but he explained how gravity acts and he created a mathematical equation to figure it out Terminal velocity. It's known as terminal velocity. So if I drop a bowling ball and a marble, this is physics Right.
Speaker 2Right Next to each other out of an airplane. They're going to reach a certain speed going to the ground and they will not exceed that speed because of gravity. Well, the equation to figure that out is part of Newton's law of gravity. That's part of it, and that's mathematics, advanced mathematics. They use mathematics to figure out. When they put Gemini up into space back in the 80s, which was a probe that was to go to the outer reaches of space, they mathematically figured out exactly when the thing was going to pass by Jupiter which was like 15 years and seven months, two days, five hours and 34 minutes 58 seconds into the future.
Speaker 2And guess what happened?
Speaker 1It passed by exactly at that time, which I thought was absolutely amazing to me. It's proof that the mathematics works.
Speaker 2It's empirical proof that that mathematical truth you can understand things that you can't see. That's right. That's right. And of course, all science is based on hypothesis. So we hypothesize an idea and then we spend our lifetime trying to disprove it, and that's the way science works. It's debated amongst those in the field over and over and over again, to try and disprove it. And if you can't disprove it year after year after year, well guess what? That's science, baby.
Speaker 1That's the real deal, it's our working theory, right, and it's always a theory.
Speaker 2That's our working theory, because we haven't been able to disprove it, because time marches on and we discover new things all the time, oh God.
Speaker 1we're living in an insane time for science, right now.
Speaker 2Right, you were telling me about something pretty cool. I had a conversation with that company yesterday.
Speaker 1Did you? I'm a CEO. I talk with this PhD who's working. Put this university on trying to bring this technology into the world.
Speaker 2Now do we talk about this at the last podcast? I don't think we do.
Speaker 1No, I talk to you privately I haven't told anyone about it.
Speaker 2Give us a little bit.
Speaker 1Okay, quantum science has unlocked all new thinking and it's shattering what we think we know about current laws of the universe. Like you just mentioned, gravity Gravity doesn't apply at the quantum level the way it does in our realm.
Speaker 2And that kind of makes sense to me, right, because I'm on Earth, I'm standing on Earth.
Speaker 1Yeah Well, a great example. I was watching a documentary last night. Did you know we have two probes studying the sun right?
Speaker 3now.
Speaker 1The Parker telescope, and there's another one specifically taking images of the surface and what you said, the Gemini probe, and they, you know, they did all this math and it wound up at precisely where they thought it was going to be based on the gravitational pull of the planets and the thrust of this thing. Well, the sun's awfully hot. And so you can't, you can't have a direct orbit around the sun or the thing will melt obviously.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1So what they did with this Parker probe, which is taking readings of the surface of the sun, is they put it into an orbit in such a way that it goes really close to the sun on one side and the closer you get, the faster the gravitational pull. So it's traveling insanely fast through that hottest part of its journey around the sun and it it fires back out into space and at this crazy velocity. And then they use Venus, the pull of Venus, to slow it down.
Speaker 1So it comes back, that is so awesome and it's making these zippies, and then it goes slow around Venus and comes back and does a zippy and it's able to record the surface of the sun Every pass it makes all done by the gravitational pushing and pulling of planets and or the sun. That's multiple planets in this case.
Speaker 2That is so cool.
Speaker 1And like you see that in Star Trek right.
Speaker 3Right 70s and 80s.
Speaker 2We're doing this in science now. That's so cool.
Speaker 1They're calling it a slingshot orbit. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1And then there's another probe that's meant to just take the photos, because they're trying to understand how the coronal mass ejections happen, because obviously can affect us here on Earth.
Speaker 2Right, Right. I think I know for you that.
Speaker 1Fascinated by all this stuff Right.
Speaker 2You're fascinated by it. I'm I'm the beneficiary of his fascination because he shares it all with me and I just I don't look it up on my own. So I'm glad you shared it with everybody else too.
Speaker 1What's really interesting.
Speaker 1What we were talking about is, at the quantum level, the vacuum of space we thought was called dark matter, just emptiness right there and now, because of our ability to study at the quantum level, we're understanding that particles come into and out of reality constantly in the vacuum of space and the emptiness of the vacuum of space. And so it's if there's there's like a sponge level in the entire emptiness of space and the fact that there's a vacuum, you know, and this energy is coming into and out of existence, allows the energy to travel freely because there's no resistance, air or other particles to bounce off of at the atomic level. And so they've done experiments where they put two metal plates in a crazy vacuum that did a little bit of stimulus to these particles that come into and out of existence at the quantum level and the plates moved in the vacuum with no energy, nothing pushing, nothing visible, nothing recordable. In the emptiness of the vacuum of space. There's an invisible force that moves those plates. So they said wait a second, if this energy is everywhere all the time.
Speaker 1This is where Tesla was. He wanted to pull energy out of the what?
Speaker 1he called the ether.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1He didn't understand what the ether was, but now we understand. At the quantum level there is something that he thought was the ether that you can pull energy out of and harness it. So there are companies out there trying to make devices, using these experiments that have been reproduced and proven are true, to effectively generate an unlimited, neverending supply of energy out of the quantum, popping in and out of particles in the vacuum of space Without generating massive amounts of radiation or heat. There's no byproduct.
Speaker 1There is no radiation, there is no heat, there's no chemical reaction, there's nothing but power.
Speaker 2Yeah, but what are we going to do with all these oil companies?
Speaker 1This is why it doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 3They've known about this since the 20s.
Speaker 1There's a documentary called the Lost Generation, because it's been stolen from us. We had the power to have basically clean renewable energy in the 20s, but it's been buried because corporations run the world.
Speaker 2Well, thank you, thomas Edison right, he's the one who basically ruined Tesla, stole all of his ideas, got with Westinghouse and the rest is history Edison, Thomas Edison.
Speaker 1Really.
Speaker 2Everybody thinks he's the big hero, big inventor, but actually he was just a really crooked businessman really what he was.
Speaker 1I guess that goes back to the winner's right to history. That's right.
Speaker 2The winner's right history? That's right. The winner's right to history books? That's right. Remember. I always try to tell people who want to tell me Edison was such a great man. He's the man who invented the electric chair. Let's remember who this man really is In his-.
Speaker 1The electric chair, the electric the one they used to kill people.
Speaker 2In his desire to ruin Tesla. Because Tesla's electricity was AC, was alternating current, which is high voltage. It's very dangerous but it can travel long distances over cable and provide a greater benefit to more and more people. Where Edison's original discovery was DC direct current electricity, which is much weaker and is not high voltage. That's low voltage, very different types of electricity. Since Tesla's idea was better, it was gaining in popularity and getting much more notoriety. What Edison did is he created this publicity campaign touting the dangers of this new technology called high voltage electricity. To prove it, he created the electric chair.
Speaker 1Oh, and showed how you and showed how it kills people.
Speaker 2Of course, our government, in its wisdom, took it on. Now we fry people's brains.
Speaker 1We're still doing it in stark. They still do, they still have a chair, they still use that thing. They call them Sparky.
Speaker 3I don't know man, why not?
Speaker 2You know what? I just bashed their head in with a baseball bat. What's the difference?
Speaker 1We're supposed to be humane.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's nothing humane about the electric chair. Don't care, no, just don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1I think generally lethal injection is the way they do it. I think mostly now.
Speaker 2That's probably the right way. I am not a fan of capital punishment. I do not want to give this current government and or its regimes the ability to execute anybody. I think it's dangerous. There was a time in this country where capital punishment might have been. This is my opinion. So send your cards and letters to Chris Dang it. I'll take them, chris, on the level with friendchriscom. But it could have been a time in this country where it was a deterrent to violent crime, to murder and all that capital punishment. But I don't agree with that anymore. It's time that this government should not be allowed to execute anybody ever. Until we get a handle on the administrative state, which is completely out of control. My opinion, let's move on.
Speaker 1You need to somehow take the corporate's ability to control government away if you really want to fix it. Give it back to the people. Every clean energy is a great way to start.
Speaker 2Yeah, that sure is. That's why they hate Bitcoin so much because you can't control it. What your government wants you to know is you're not allowed to have money that we can't steal from you. That's what Bitcoin is. It's money they can't take from you without you giving them permission first. This would be the same thing An energy source that I can have in my house that does not need outside approval, outside aid of any kind from anyone produces.
Speaker 1No, not going to blow up on you, yep.
Speaker 2Yeah, we can't have that.
Speaker 1You can take it in a cave and basically live for your entire lifetime with free energy.
Speaker 2Listen, if you keep this up, what's Ted Cruz going to do for a living? Come?
Speaker 3on.
Speaker 2What's Nancy going to do, what are all these elites going to do if we become autonomous, 100% autonomous, just dealing with each other with love and respect? Can't have it, man. That's not going to work.
Speaker 1Well, I had a great meeting yesterday. Do I sound cynical A little, but this is where I'm at, too All right, I'm sorry I interrupted.
Speaker 2I'm with you on that. You had a great meeting yesterday.
Speaker 1Yeah, because I'm pessimistic on the future of humanity. I think we're going to know, we're going to you know, there's not much we can do at this point.
Speaker 2We're going in a very bad direction.
Speaker 1Negative outlook. That's where I've been.
Speaker 2I see that in you, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah. So it's like oh, what's the point of anything we're all going to burn out here? So the fact that go watch a documentary by Dr Stephen Greer named the Lost Century, and they do a pretty good job of explaining the concept of zero plant energy and how it's been proven and how it can be done and I found a company that actually has a patent the only patent I have ever seen on a device that can do this and they're working with the university. They're seeking the last round of funding to actually bring this to market. They're going to start with flashlights and little things.
Speaker 2That's cool.
Speaker 1And I got to meet with a PhD. I got to meet with his wife and the CEO of this company and we're going to help them. I actually reached out to Stephen Greer to try to get him involved in what they're doing.
Speaker 2That's so awesome.
Speaker 1It's crazy. It's crazy the opportunities we have because of science. It's like Real science. It's not like a university or government it should be or is controlling these things. It's happening so fast that the people on the bleeding edge are the ones making these things a reality.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1It's crazy scientists that aren't part of mainstream academia, those who are free to think and explore what is in front of them, those guys. It's just a fun time to be alive and I have some hope finally for the future. It's a very nice feeling.
Speaker 2Yeah, I see that and we definitely want updates regarding this new venture that you're looking into. Give us the updates when it comes time to invest.
The Importance of Geometry in Society
Speaker 1Please let us know there will be and I will let you know. All right.
Speaker 2Geometry.
Speaker 1Geometry.
Speaker 3Oh, this is a big one for Freemasonry.
Speaker 1Geometry Start me off there. Geometry treats. Geometry treats of the powers and properties of magnitudes in general, where length, breadth and thickness are considered From a point to a line, from line to a superfeecee and from superfeecee to a solid. Okay, a point.
Speaker 3A point.
Speaker 1Is the beginning of all geometric matter. Right. A line is a continuation of the same. A superfeecee has length and breadth without a given thickness. A solid has length and breadth with a given thickness and forms a cube which comprehends the whole. That's getting a little deep. That's awesome Into geometry. But it treats of the powers and properties of magnitudes in general.
Speaker 3Right right.
Speaker 1The powers and properties of magnitudes.
Speaker 2All right, so In general, the next heading is called the advantages of geometry. Starts out by geometry.
Speaker 1The architect is unable to construct his plans and execute his designs. The engineer to mark out grounds for encampment. The general to arrange his soldiers. The geographer, the engineer. The engineer To mark out. Oh, I've messed something up.
Speaker 2You did. You wanna start over by geometry? The architect is unable to construct his plans and execute his designs. The general To arrange his soldiers. To arrange his soldiers.
Speaker 1The engineer. To mark out grounds for encampment Encampment- the geographer To give us the dimensions of the world and all the things therein contained. So we're back on track To delineate the extent of seas and specify the divisions of empires, provinces and kingdoms by geometry.
Speaker 2By it also the astronomer.
Speaker 1Oh, the astronomer. By it also, the astronomer is unable to make his observations and fix the duration of time and seasons, years and cycles In fine.
Speaker 3geometry is the foundation of mathematics Of architecture, of architecture and the root of mathematics.
Speaker 1Wow, sorry, you should just read these.
Speaker 2No, no man, no way, you got it, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 1But yeah.
Speaker 2The advantages of geometry, right, I mean, it is the basis.
Speaker 1Really, it's everything Right To our society.
Speaker 2Everything to mankind. I mean, there's no way you get around. Mathematics, geometry, all of these seven liberal arts and sciences were given to us by our creator to take us out of darkness into light. You can't understand the world around you, the creation that screams that there is a designer, that there is a founder, a great architect of all this is seen through these seven liberal arts and sciences. I mean a geometry being one of the major ones.
Speaker 1I mean it Would you agree that maybe you could say, one could say, geometry is the language by which we read the book of nature.
Speaker 2Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1That's kind of like how we understand what's happening through the language of geometry. Right, we get the ideas of our creator into our grammar rhetoric and we able to rail these logic to look at it scientifically. But we've talked about this before. Geometry and the shapes that we see in nature inform how we build our structures.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1And the things that we find in nature we combine and experiment with to find compounds that heal and are used for miraculous things. What people in the past would have literally considered miracles is just science to us.
Speaker 3Right, right yeah.
Speaker 2And it's like I always go back to. I always go back to Sir Isaac Newton only cause he's a Presbyterian like I am, but he said his famous quote was that it's like I'm thinking God's thoughts after him. And geometry is simply that we are seeing. It's a process for thinking thoughts and seeing the way the world was made.
Speaker 2And then, taking what we see architecture, for instance, right, you see the way a forest is constructed in nature. You see the way rock formations are, you see the way the earth in its foundation is, and then you begin to see how architecture became the foundation, the pillars, the trusses, the arches, the roof lines. All of those things is seen in nature and taken by man, who's part of nature to create these edifices that we have built, greater and greater and more complicated. Because it's our nature to create. It's our nature because we are Amago Day, we are made in the image, and that Amago Day is in all of us. We wanna create, we wanna build, we wanna be better, we wanna strive to do good, to be in fellowship, to be part of this world. And I just, I don't know, man, I'm digging this.
Speaker 1There's very few animals that we know of in the world that learn and change through generations. Right Few very few. Yeah, I think they. I've seen that there are packs of killer whales in certain areas of the world that have learned specific hunting techniques that only those killer whales know about because the elders teach it to the youngers.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1And so they continue to perfect it through the generations. But it's specific to that pack.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1They like actually beach themselves and grab animals, which no other killer whales in the world do.
Speaker 3Right, that's interesting.
Speaker 1And so when that particular family dies, that knowledge will be lost forever.
Speaker 3Yeah right.
Speaker 1And this is the human species. Like we're segmented into these independent packs and some of us figure things out and we got to start looking at each other as a whole, as one species in it together, and think about our future and our survival and think stop thinking about the line in the sand. That's my dirt, not your dirt, and I'm gonna kill all of your family if you touch my sand.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1They say that astronauts every one of them has this experience when they see the Earth from the outside, of an awakening of like wow, I've been lied to my whole life. This is such a small, fragile thing in the existence of the universe. We don't have time to be fighting and separating ourselves. We need to figure out a work together here, yeah, that they get that celestial perspective on our place which we don't get.
Speaker 2I totally get that. It's the age-old problem, man, a colonization for the past. What 1,000 years, maybe more than 1,000 years, colonization has been the way where the stronger nation comes to that the smaller nation and overtakes it and presses the weaker into service to the stronger. I mean it started with the Babylonian Empire and then the Babylonian Empire gave way to the Medo-Persian Empire, which gave way to the Grecian Empire, which gave way to the Roman Empire, and then the Roman Empire fragmented and became basically what we see today. Now there's, as a Christian theologian, there's some theology there, but I'll spare you all that stuff. But it's history. World history is a history of colonization and and-.
Speaker 1Well, Rome's involvement in the birth of Christianity is pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2Oh, it absolutely is. It's the vehicle that was used to spread it into the world. You know, by the persecution thereof, forced it to go out into the world, and that's a whole other conversation, of course, but what the point is is that even to this day, colonization continues. This, our country, our tax dollars, is used all over the world to colonize all kinds of different places. We have 840 military bases all over the world, and they are there to show dominance and control over people, groups that we have no business being anywhere in.
Speaker 2And look at the expansion of the crown in the 1600s throughout the lesser Antilles down through Barbados and all the islands and the Caribbean. And they just came onto those islands and said you now belong to us, you are our slaves, we own all of your natural resources. We're promoting those and when we're done we're gonna leave you.
Speaker 1And you're welcome.
Speaker 2You can now worship us and thank us, and now you have to talk like us look like us and be like us, and that's colonization, man, and maybe, maybe, somehow, you know, the era of colonization is over. You know, if we're looking at, look right now in Europe, what's going on there with these wars and these color wars, fake wars, proxy wars, all for the sake of keeping the American dollar, the fiat dollar system, alive as the global financial standard.
Speaker 1People are afraid of change.
Speaker 2They don't wanna change, you know, but there is change on the horizon and it's technology. And it's the generation my sons who are in their 30s. You know, it's their generation, my sons and daughters. Their generation is the one that has to step up and take away the elite ability to colonize others, you know, and maybe bring about some sort of independence, you know, I don't know what to call it, you know, but we all need to be free to make our own mistakes and make our own choices.
Speaker 1Well, we live in a country that we ourselves colonized.
Speaker 2And now we're like it's our country.
Speaker 1You stay out of our country.
Speaker 2It's true. It's true, the crown.
Speaker 1We colonized it and the Dutch colonized the Eastern United States. Sure, there were people here, there were indigenous people here. They perfectly find happy lives.
Speaker 2Well, you could argue that they were in bad shape. The Indian nations were at war with each other in a big way.
Speaker 3They were slaughtering each other Sure they were yeah.
Speaker 2It was the same thing colonization. They were colonizing each other as well, and we came along and colonized the colonizers. They were drawing their boundary lines, still I often wonder.
Speaker 1You know, you ever wonder what? Because that's one society that wasn't allowed to progress naturally the. Indian nation and they're stuck in preservation mode. They're trying to preserve the culture that they had at the point where we ended it. But I often wonder like what would it have evolved into if they had been allowed to, if we had never colonized America, if they had their own nation?
Speaker 3where would that have gone?
Speaker 1Well, but it's kind of fascinating to imagine what would have happened.
Speaker 2I think that they were a society on the downside of their greatness, In other words they came out of the. Aztec from the South and the indigenous peoples came up through for a thousand years. And then it became very tribal yeah, right, and by the time the white man came with his influenza to these shores, they were already. They were killing each other man. It was mass slaughter all over the place. They had depleted the natural, their natural resources, the buffalo and all of the planes they had completely depleted.
Speaker 2What the Indians yeah, they were on the verge of depleting a lot of it. Yeah, they were not doing great man. They were not doing good when we got here. Not that we helped them in any way Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that. But they were slaughtering each other in a major way and they were just colonizing each other, just like we were colonizing them. And now I don't know who's gonna colonize us, because we're in trouble here. Man, who's coming on our shores, you know, to take over and say you now belong to us? I don't know.
Speaker 1We're in this Aliens. Well, I think we're in this global place now.
Speaker 2Yeah, though, that's true.
Speaker 1It's probably gonna become a more homogeneous one thing. I'm not against the idea, man, I'm not against it, I'm certainly we won't know it, we won't admit it, but there's gonna be probably like one real power that's pulling the strings down the road.
Speaker 2We'll see, We'll see. I am an optimist when it comes to the future, just simply because my faith dictates.
Speaker 1Well, you know science is hopeful because all the great strides we're making, like the web telescope, for example it takes so much money and resources that nations have to work together to progress science, right? You see that there's like five major countries that are working on these projects and they're independently donating billions of dollars and their brightest minds to work together on this stuff, right?
Speaker 2Yeah, and there's some hope in that I agree, and I find I do a lot, a lot of study on different things and I just go down all these rabbit holes, but I'm finding that the European mindset is becoming far more superior from a frontier, scientific, frontier attitude than the good old US of A mindset anymore. We have corrupted ourselves so badly that everything, anyone who's in charge of anything, is there as a grifter, it seems to me, who is trying to enrich themselves financially. Right, and the government has partnered with the large corporations. You cannot tell the difference between them anymore.
Speaker 1Partners are kind of word to use.
Speaker 2Yeah, partners right and their only goal, it seems like, is to continue to hold on to power and enrich themselves. We've lost that ability to work together to create some sort of scientific breakthrough. I don't see any major scientific breakthroughs coming from this country that aren't in cooperation with other nations.
Speaker 2Yeah, it needs to be in cooperation with other nations, because all we wanna do is all we wanna do, is our elites wanna hold us down and what they wanna do is enrich themselves and their families at our expense. And that has to stop, and I think that is going to stop very quickly here and we are going to see a new day come out, the fourth turning. Read the book. It's a great book.
Speaker 1You still need to read that. You've mentioned it several times.
Speaker 2The author does not do the audio book, which I'm never a fan of, but the guy that does it does it pretty well, so it's worth getting the fourth turning.
Speaker 1The audio book's better.
Speaker 2The audio book is good. It's pretty good, yeah, the book itself is. You're gonna have to read it. Well, I had to read it twice because it's a little in depth, but it's very hard to deny the fact that societies do turn on these cycles, and they make a very good case that we are on that fourth and final cycle where the end of the current direction, the current leaders, the current all of it is crashing and coming apart. And who can deny that? We see that happening all over the world.
Speaker 1Let's hope so.
Baby Boomers and Generational Politics
Speaker 2And it's crumbling and crumbling and crumbling. There'll be pain, there'll be some suffering, but out of that comes something better, and that's why I always say it's the generation, it's the generation of my children, who are the ones who are gonna have to make the difference. It's gonna be up to them, not me. I'm an old man, I'm done.
Speaker 1I'm part of the baby boomers.
Speaker 2We were the problem, not the solution.
Speaker 1You do hear that the baby boomers were part of them. Big problem.
Speaker 2They sold out their grandchildren's financial future for a zero copay.
Speaker 1So at what point does? When did that generation stop?
Speaker 2See, I don't know if they ever started. So the generation before them, okay, that was the generation that actually they stepped up and went to World.
Speaker 3War I and World War II.
Speaker 2The greatest generation, right? The baby boomers are those who the boom of children that were produced from those people. So these are the we. I'm the last generation. I'm the last year. I was born in 62. So that's the last year of the baby boomers.
Speaker 1Okay, that's what I was asking. So, early 60s, Right right.
Speaker 2So if you were born in, my wife was born in 64, she thinks she's the last generation of boomers, but she's actually the first generation of the next and I don't know what they call that. I don't know what they're called, but the baby boomers are. And now, if you look, I'm 60 and I'm the youngest year. So the baby boomers are all old. They're all old. If you look at, look at our government officials, especially on the national level in Washington DC, the average age there is 82. Hello, is this thing on 82 years old Sounds like Freemasonry? Sounds like Freemasonry? Not for long. Maybe the Freemasonry needs a fourth turning as well? Yeah, but nothing new, nothing brave, nothing courageous can come from an 80 year old person.
Speaker 1The thing is, like I'm not an ageist, like I think there's great-.
Speaker 2Don't get me wrong. Let me say that 80 year old people I learn a lot from 80 year old people, because they've been through life. But their station in life is to share wisdom, Not break new boundaries.
Speaker 1Right, right, and I think Elon Musk said this you can't shoot for eternal life, because society would never change. The only reason it changes is because generations die and young people have new ideas they can implement.
Speaker 2Right, and he's looking at it from a worldly, a purely worldly perspective.
Speaker 1Right, this is a microcosm of that. If we let the oldest of us run everything as long as they're there, nothing's gonna change.
Speaker 2It's not really. No, it's not gonna change. Why would it? It's not to their advantage to change anything.
Speaker 1The ideal situation is where you have a good representation of a cross-section of your society representing you in the government. So you've got young people, old people, women, moms, everything.
Speaker 2However it plays out this is how we share ideas Our founding fathers had the right idea. There's these checks and balances against each other, and people come to serve for the benefit of society and then they leave. So we were never designed to have senators that stay for 42 years in position.
Speaker 1That's how you fix it. Just make them two year terms, All our problems are gone.
Speaker 2Well now, I would agree with you 30 years ago, but now, because the administrative state has taken on a life of its own, politicians don't really mean anything, and we can see that in the White House right now.
Speaker 1They can say and do what they want. It's like American gladiators they just put that guy out there to entertain us yeah Well, the strings are being pulled in the back.
Speaker 2I would say that's been true for the last 20 years myself. But, like I said, I've said it before. I get in a lot of trouble for it, but I really don't participate much in the current left versus right political scheme. It's not my game.
The Power and Impact of Music
Speaker 1Yeah, that's wise. Yeah, I'm done with it All right, and we're only four, four of these in, I think.
Speaker 2The next one is music, I love music.
Speaker 3Go.
Speaker 1Music is that sublime science, music.
Speaker 3Is that Music?
Speaker 1is that elevated science which affects the passions by sound. There are few who have not felt such charms that acknowledged its expressions to be intelligible to the heart. It is a language of delightful sensations far more eloquent than words. It breathes to the ear the clearest intimations. It touches and gently agitates the agreeable and the sublime passions.
Speaker 2It dissolves, it wraps us, it wraps us in melancholy and lifts us in joy and elevates us in joy.
Speaker 1Man, you better finish reading this All right, all right.
Speaker 2Sublime passions. It wraps us in melancholy and elevates us in joy. It dissolves and inflames. It melts us in tenderness and excites us to war. This science is truly congenial to the nature of man, for by its powerful charms the most discordant passions may be harmonized and brought into perfect unison. But it never sounds with such symphonic harmony as when employed in singing hymns of gratitude to the great creator of the universe. Wow, it says symphonic. It says symphonic. Oh, I learned seraphic.
Speaker 1Seraphic, oh well it is seraphic. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2Seraphic is the verb for symphonic right. I don't know. I don't know either. Obviously, somebody, our English majors, please chime in here. We need your help. It's beautiful, though Apparently desperately, it really is beautiful. The science is truly congenial to the nature of man. For by its powerful charms, the most discordant passions may be harmonized.
Speaker 1This is like we could talk about this for an hour.
Speaker 3We could.
Speaker 1Because music is a science People don't think about it.
Speaker 2Absolutely a science In that way do they.
Speaker 1But it is a science. There are particular notes and particular chords that we can agree go well together and something that don't go together, and how you arrange that and mix it at the small level and the whole dictates beauty or it could dictate. You know, we have certain rhythms and sounds that we use only for war.
Speaker 3Right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1That excite us and get us ready to like, put our lives on the line.
Speaker 2When the trumpet sounds, man Like it's our blood going Right.
Speaker 1There's music that can put you in a state where you're ready to lay down your life or fight harder, just like there's music that can make you feel like you wanna hug someone or cry Absolutely true and invoke emotions like that in you.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Music can do that to us, and the people that know how to manipulate our emotions through music are mad scientists. Man.
Speaker 2It's really true. What you said about music is true. It is mathematic. It is three notes make a chord and so there's three. So like, for instance, the chord of A would be in the A, c and E notes together, so the major being the A, so the A would be melody and then the other two would be harmony. So if I were to sing a perfect A, okay, and then two other people were to sing a perfect C and E, you would have three people singing a chord in complete harmony, and it sounds really beautiful. Yeah, and it's amazing, but in guitar or piano, and you know you play piano, so you know.
Speaker 1Kind of I don't know what notes or chords, I don't think.
Speaker 2But it's, it's. It is part of the fabric, yeah, of human life and experience. Music fits into geometry and it fits into mathematics, yeah. And it fits in in such an amazing way. Well, there goes the microphone.
Speaker 1Sounds have.
Speaker 2Like those yeah.
Speaker 1Sounds have harmonics to them, and waves Absolutely, oh yeah, yeah Well, their frequencies.
Speaker 2Patterns Right. Yeah, 60 megahertz, frequency Right. And the faster the frequency goes, the higher the sound and electricity. Electricity flows on frequency. Sound is a frequency and music is based in frequency and we know a good sound from a bad sound. That's the other amazing part. You don't have to be a musician to know that when somebody's singing off key Instinctively, it's horrible yeah.
Speaker 1And we I think we've talked about this before Like we're hardwired to recognize sounds and for those sounds to evoke emotions in us.
Speaker 3At a primal level. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1Like the high pitched tweeting of a bird. Yeah, sounds soothing and relaxing to us. Right it makes us feel safe.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1The low baritone growl of a large animal Sends a chill down our spine.
Speaker 3Right Primally.
Speaker 1Yeah, those sounds evoke emotions in us, and music is a continuation of the same.
Speaker 2I think, yeah, I like, I like where you're going with that. So you know, the roar of a lion Like I Terrifying, right, well, I Primal, I mean we're intelligent, we know we're safe.
Speaker 1But if you were in the wild and you heard that and you didn't know where it was coming from, you're having a brown pants moment. You're having a moment, yeah, instinctively, you can't stop it.
Speaker 2Yeah, so that those sounds like I exercise on Celery Hill, which is a hill Used to be a dump.
Speaker 3Yeah, we turned it into a park.
Speaker 2But it's the closest thing we have to an actual hill here in Florida. But I work out there. Well, on the other side of it is a place called Big Cat Preserve and every time I'm out there working out you can hear yeah, we have Big Cat. Preserve. We have Big Cat Preserve. You can hear the lions roaring.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And it is intimidating even though they're in cages, you know, 200 yards away, I mean, and it does invoke this wow, that creature is absolutely magnificent, you're not?
Speaker 1gonna not snap your neck towards that sound when you hear it. Every time it's gonna hold your attention.
Speaker 2But the interesting thing is that music, we humans have taken sounds, have taken these sounds and we have transformed them into this system of sound, recognized sounds that provoke these emotions and convey all these messages. I mean, I know, for me, I listen to a lot of hymns, the old hymns you know from way back when you know in the 1600s and 1700s, a lot of the hymns that were written, and those hymns, when you sing them, they cause you to memorize these messages and it's so powerful and it's absolutely amazing to me how intricate the idea and concept of music is. I mean, I grew up in the 80s, you know, and so for me classic rock was everything and some of the music from that era is just absolutely stuck with me.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You know it is absolutely like anything. Yes, the band yes Ever did is just stuck with me. Pink Floyd, and you know some of the high quality stuff from that era of musicianship. You know I'm not gonna comment on today's music, but back then it really made an impression upon me. For good or for bad, it absolutely became part of the fabric of who?
Speaker 1I am. I think every generation probably experiences that yeah absolutely. Because, in the form of years of your youth, music really is an important part of your life. It really is it really does help you connect with your generation really.
Speaker 2It does.
Speaker 1Because you all are listening to the same stuff. You all are feeling the same things. There's a connecting aspect to it.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1And then you get older and the music changes and you're like ah, ah, ah. Well, that's true, they're old days and we were all listening to this stuff.
Speaker 2And my parents said the same thing to me and I say the same thing to my kids. Yeah, it happens, and I'm with you, man, right.
Speaker 1It was different music for my generation, but we had the same stuff.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1I hear the same crap now and I'm like this ain't music. Right, yeah, well, I was like you're old, I'm like no, literally they're not singing. They're not singing, they're making weird sound.
Speaker 2Yeah, like last night I was at the shrine and out on the Tiki Hut. They got a big, beautiful Tiki Hut restaurant there that they built. And yeah, the Tiki Hut the average age is my age over there. Let's just be honest. It's an older crowd of people that go to the shrine and participate there, but for some reason the bartenders decided to put late 90s, early 2000s hip hop. I'm sorry, it's probably even earlier stuff.
Speaker 2I mean modern hip hop, grunting and grinding kind of female sounds coming out of this beatbox sound and everybody in there's got this. Look on their face like what?
Speaker 1is this. So yeah, they didn't catch their audience, huh.
Speaker 2They did not catch the audience at all.
Speaker 1No, they missed it completely and we're all just looking like what the heck is going on here, but the point we're closer there after lodge and they're always doing karaoke, so it's a mixed bag Every time I go over there.
Speaker 2Well, I'm not sure about it. Karaoke is kind of defies the beauty and laws of music, because this is a chance for people who are not musicians to get up and actually sing. And that's when you hear those horrible off tones from people who are doing their very best and trying to be, the star of the show.
Speaker 1It's like hit and miss, Even in the same song. Sometimes they'll be on it.
Speaker 3And I'm like dang.
Speaker 1And then they get into the other part and you're like, ooh, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 3Yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, I don't know how do we get on? Music.
Speaker 2Oh, music, music, Music and of course it goes immediately to karaoke.
Speaker 1Of course, we always find the lowest way to talk about something.
Speaker 2That's right. But the science is truly congenial to the nature of man, for by its powerful charms the most discordant passions may be harmonized and brought into perfect unison. But it never sounds with such serphonic harmony, seraphic, seraphic harmony, as when employed in singing hymns of gratitude to the great creator of the universe. I just really appreciate that.
Speaker 1You know what they say there. It's really true. There's some people who probably know this. There's a Christian musical group called Hillsong. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a church but I think the musical group really made the name for them Hillsong Right and they revolutionized how churches do music.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1They made it more modernized. It's like they're using.
Speaker 2They turned it into a $2.5 billion year industry along the way.
Speaker 1It's so powerful because now, when people come to your service, they feel like they had an emotional experience. A spiritual experience. They feel that and it's the music that's evoking that in them, not the message.
Speaker 3That's true. They don't know any different Right.
Speaker 1And so at the church, I think they found music to be a powerful way to connect with their audience as well.
Speaker 2I think that music has always been a powerful way to convey the message, but these people took it to this extreme and then changed the message to fit their narrative.
Speaker 1They like modernized it, I guess.
Speaker 2And then took it to a global audience, where they all became very, very wealthy. Oh yeah, and it all fell apart in a most magnificent way. Yeah, and they embarrassed themselves and the entire idea, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1But whatever I think the band and the people involved with making that music had good intentions. Well, there was a lady who started it.
Speaker 2Her name was Darlene Czech and she was one of the early ones Beautiful voice, I mean powerful, beautiful voice, and it was in the very beginning where the ideas and the concepts that were taught through the music, the message of the music was sound and it was good. But that woman, she became quite wealthy quite quickly and I don't know what became of her. I certainly not going to comment on her status, but I think that once history shows us that, once the big money comes in, things change. You forget your original concept, you forget your charter and you begin to do whatever you got to do to keep the money train going. And it's just human nature. The big money corrupts, big, it just does.
Speaker 1For the good or bad of it. You can't deny that music has had a major impact on the modernization of religion.
Speaker 2And on that let's finish with the final one astronomy. Astronomy, is that sublime.
Speaker 1Science which inspires the contemplative mind to soar, loft and read the wisdom, strength and beauty of the great creator of the heavens. Assisted by astronomy, we ascertain the laws which govern the heavenly bodies and by which their emotions are directed.
Speaker 1Investigate the power by which they circulate in their orbs, discover their size, determine their distance, display their various phenomena and correct the fallacy of the senses by the light of truth. How nobly eloquent of the deity is the celestial hemisphere spangled with the most magnificent heralds of his infinite glory. They speak to the whole universe, for there is no speech so barbarous but their language is understood, no nation so distant, but their voices are heard. Among them, the heavens proclaim the glory of God, the firmament declare the work of his hands.
Speaker 2That quote right there is from Psalm 19.
Speaker 1You actually quoted that at the last podcast. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 2And it's true, and that is probably the basis of this. Now, that's, of course, the writings of David, king David, which is Solomon's son. So we're not far off a masonry here, because a lot of masonry is based on Solomon's writings in life, and the things he did.
Speaker 1He was the wisest king, supposedly. Whoever lived?
Speaker 2And he was taught by his father, king David, and it proclaims that the infinite glory. And astronomy is that science of star gazing, of gazing into the universe and contemplating its beauty, its magnificence and its design. My goodness, if you just look at the Earth's rotation, that what is it? 27.6 degrees, a perfect pitch. It runs around in this perfect circuit that continues to go. Generation after generation move it by one degree and all life on Earth ceases to exist.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Science and Faith
Speaker 2You know it's this fine tuning of the universe speaks of a very powerful mind that put it together and maintains it. It's really tough, in an age of scientific enlightenment, to get around that.
Speaker 1This is one of the great things that's happening, I think, right now. Science is helping us connect to our faith. The scientists thought they had it all figured out. It was so simple.
Speaker 3Right, it's very cut and dry.
Speaker 1This must have happened, but with the technology we have and the things we're doing now, they are realizing they've been wrong a lot.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1About things that they thought were for sure. The way things are. And some of them are almost willing to admit it, yeah some of them almost, but I mean there's new branches of science that didn't even exist five years ago right now.
Speaker 3Right, we are clearly in that.
Speaker 1That's how fast we're advancing.
Speaker 2The age of scientific enlightenment is just accelerating faster and faster and faster, and it keeps pointing to the thing that this little masonic monitor is pointing out.
Speaker 1Is it what we thought? Is it exactly what we thought? Was there a man, a white man with a beard in the sky, who was pointing down, maybe not exactly like that.
Speaker 2Da Vinci, that's Da Vinci's painting. Yes, I get it.
Speaker 1But the consciousness cannot be denied.
Speaker 2No, that's right.
Speaker 3And that's.
Speaker 1Even scientists now are starting to say what they're seeing is shocking. Right, the universe expansion is giving them a better understanding of that. It had a beginning, and if there was a beginning of what was before that, we clearly think we know. And then we realize we've only seen a small little speck of reality. It's so much bigger than we thought and so different than we thought. And so now, finally, the scientists are starting to finally get. We don't really know.
Speaker 1We're seeing more, but we don't really know and we're not going to say this is this. But what I think a lot of scientists are starting to say is there is an undeniable consciousness behind everything.
Speaker 2Undeniable.
Speaker 1You can't deny it and you can choose not to call it, if God, if you want. But I just talked to a PhD yesterday who has a book coming out called the God Consciousness.
Speaker 3Wow.
Speaker 1And this is a scientist, astrophysicist, who has found God through the study of the stars.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's happening more and more. You can't deny the design. And if, look, if I walk by a building downtown and I tell you that this building had an architect and if I ask you, do you know the architect? And they say no, and then they ask me well, how do you know the building had an architect? The reason I know the building had an architect is because the building exists, it's there.
Speaker 2The building exists, therefore there must have been an existor. It has to be. There's just too much evidence of it. And that's the basis of intelligent design, that the intelligent design theory says that, based on advanced scientific study, it is more and more clear all the time that there is a mind, a very powerful, a very advanced mind, behind it A consciousness. You can call it that. I mean some people call it. What is it Chi you?
Speaker 3can call it.
Intelligent Design and Masonic Values
Speaker 2I mean An energy, right, but me, I'm a Christian. I call it Yahweh, but that's you know, that's um. I thought the Jews called it Yahweh. Yahweh, which is it, just means I am, that's the name he told Moses, you actually don't use. Yahweh. I don't use the name Yahweh no Father, son and Holy Spirit, but that's me because of my faith.
Speaker 2You may be as a Mason from a different faith, but what we can all agree on is the concept of intelligent design and, as a matter of fact, as a Mason, you made a profession to deity, which would speak to an intelligent designer Because we call him the great architect of the universe. I don't know what else you would consider the great architect of this magnificent, very detailed, like clockwork universe, other than you know what I was going to say. Sorry, I got in a rabbit's hole, let me get back. It's interesting to me.
Speaker 1Happens to both of I know right, those poor rabbits, man.
Speaker 2What's interesting to me is in, scientific advancement Continues to push us closer and closer and closer to a point where our scientific, empirical, scientific, as if scientific evidence stops and Something that I believe begins, because you get to a point where you just have to believe some stuff.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean. I think one thing that it's impossible for anyone to deny is that we currently don't have the capabilities to fully Understand the nature of the universe.
Speaker 1Absolutely we're not given those things, or even the most simple thing, reality. We don't really understand it fully and I think people are starting to agree that we may never get to understand it in our lifetimes, but it's the pursuit of the understanding that brings us closer. Every new thing we learn Gives us a little bit more light and connection to Whatever the creator consciousness that made. All this is right, we are a part of it. Yeah, we are Influencing it. We are able to influence it through our own, obviously, actions.
Speaker 1Collectively through time, not as individuals. When you look at the universe and the scale of time, it's ridiculous right, and to me it always comes down to just a scale.
Speaker 2It's a scale. It's what is the most plausible Explanation based on the information that you currently have, and I I challenge every person out there to to consider why are we here? Why is there something rather than nothing? Nothing is easier. Achieving nothing is far easier than achieving this that we have seen all around us. Why, why? Why ask yourself these questions? What is the most plausible explanation, given the facts that you have At your disposal, for our existence?
Speaker 2I have done that. I spent 30 years doing it. I'm I am convinced and I'm open. I'm open to discussion. Obviously, I'm on the show talking about that all the time, but I am convinced because I have done the work. I encourage every man out there do the work. I'm not going to do it for you. You have to do it yourself search, seek, pray, ask, do all the things that your masonic, your, your masonic teaching, tells you. You know what does it say? Seek, knock, ask, do all of these things, and seek it with all your heart. What is the most plausible explanation? Why are you here? What is the most plausible explanation for that? It is a great study. You will not regret it. You won't regret it, yeah, and if you do?
Speaker 1that I doubt you're gonna come to the conclusion that you're here to make yourself as wealthy, powerful and and have the ability to subjugate as many other people.
Speaker 2Amen, possibly can.
Speaker 1That's not the good, that is not gonna be the conclusion Anyone is gonna come to regardless of where they settle on. Absolutely they're all gonna be closer to.
Speaker 3We're here to help others.
Speaker 1We're here to connect ourselves as a species and improve the situation of our species through time, and our family and our friends and the people that are connected to us we have influence over in our small lifetime, right, so we should use that influence to help them. That's that's kind of the conclusion that everyone who does any study Will come to. Yeah, naturally, that's right. We ain't here to make ourselves, an island unto ourselves, because when you do in the world, you'll be miserable. You're miserable.
Speaker 2You'll be the most miserable person. Jay Paul Getty. On his deathbed. Jay Paul Getty, the wealthiest man in the world, he said I am the most miserable man on earth. We all think money's gonna fix our problems.
Speaker 1It didn't fix his, it did all those people they died with their children hating them.
Speaker 2And their, their lives. You know, they had all the money in the world, but they, they died Lonely, you know, and with without anything. And and then you know it, like you said, you're, you're so right, chris, that you never happens if you seek, if you seek. The the truth about why you're here. What is the most possible explanation? You will quickly find that it is. It is to love others, it is to care for others, it is to be in right now.
Speaker 1You're going through one of the most traumatic things. Yeah, you've been through right in a while and you're like I actually feel okay because I have some comfort and support and that Makes it okay. Yeah, and that that is.
Speaker 2That that is what's good about life. That is what's right about life is is loving and caring. You are, you are your brother's keeper, you, you are responsible for the welfare of the people around you. We all are, and we we find that hard to believe in this day and age, but it is. The most satisfying and fulfilling part of the human experience Is giving yourself on behalf of another. That's why. That's why a true, a true marriage Is is so rewarding, because you're constantly giving of yourself to another, who is constantly giving themselves to you, and it's this union that builds. It's not perfect, obviously, there's two humans involved, but it's, it's a perfect example. It was perfect. No, it wouldn't be fun at all, all right, there's no makeup.
Speaker 1The makeup part is good.
Speaker 3Oh, yeah, for sure yeah just don't do it too often every day.
Speaker 1Yeah, right, right. So anyways, the message go ahead.
Speaker 2Yesterday, uh, I was referred a potential business opportunity.
Speaker 1And this person happens to be a mason from Ohio. He's never been to a lodge in florida, okay, but I'm, we're aware now that we're both masons and unfortunately, I'm in a room full of non-masons so we can't keep going. I'm in a room full of non-mason so we can't geek out or anything, right, right, but at the end of it, at the end of the whole meeting, he's, he slips up and he's like the conversation turned towards that he's trying to make his company a good, a force for good in in the world and he wants to get back to charity. And we have the masonic conversation in front of these people who, many of them, think weird things about free mason because I don't clarify it to anybody.
Speaker 1Uh, I keep it to myself and this podcast even in my own company. But they see me dressing up and they're like wow, some weird, this guy's a weird. So, now there's another one that he's never met and they're observing. And this guy's saying what we say every day and he's from Ohio never stepped foot in the lodge in florida. No way. We've ever communicated. We don't even share the same system of government, but he's like the sole purpose I have in this world is to connect and help other people.
Speaker 1Right to make their lives a little better. And in doing that it makes my life better. And when the time comes, when I need help, I'm gonna have so much of it and this is the purpose of humanity. And then I say I love it. I love what you said and I add to it and we're speaking the same language, that's the language of free masonry. It really is right.
Speaker 1It's a compassion, love, connecting charity towards others. I never met him he's from a completely different jurisdiction but he's a good enough mason that he learned that from masonry right and I love what you just said.
Speaker 2That's the language of free masonry. Yeah, cooperation, love, respect, trying to, trying to make my area of influence better than than when I found it, you know, and and make the lives of the people around me better, you know when you talk like that around a group of profane people in a profane world, you literally are a beacon of light in the darkness. Yeah, you're right, people do respond, they respond to it and they're like Whoa, this feels good.
Speaker 1There's warms coming out of that light right, I want, I want to be around that Like this is a little you know this might save me and you draw them to you and they become interested in what the hell is this Free masonry thing. Yeah they taught these people to think this way and they feel this way and they're acting this way.
Speaker 2Right, I want that for me and it's an organized, it's a fraternal organization of men who are trying to impact their community In a positive way by making themselves better, by making each other better, by lifting each other up and, like you said you, you're talking to a guy that you've never met, right Personally no right, You're on the phone with him and he's from ohi, he's across the country.
Speaker 1Came into the office and you have. He's working here in florida, lives here.
Speaker 2Yeah, but he's been so busy hasn't been the lodge so that in a while, the commonality yeah is. Is so striking that the people in the room are like whoa, whoa, they know what.
Speaker 1We've never met, but we're speaking the same language.
Speaker 2I love that, the language of major beautiful language to speak in the world. So that's, that's a good segue to stop right there. And and the question we would ask you guys listening is are you speaking the language of masonry?
Speaker 1Yeah, not just in the lodge, not just your brothers, not to look like you're the best mason in the room. Yeah, I would out in the world around, non mason. It's right. It's hard to do it.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's, that's right, and, and, and I would just say to my masonic brothers you know, um, you know what, what are your motivations? What, what are, what is your motivation to whatever it is you're trying to do, whether inside the lodge or outside the lodge, you know, are you speaking that language? Are you speaking words of life, um, words of healing, or are you just trying to get your own way? Are you just trying to build your own empire? Do your own thing, change everything you know because you know better than everybody else? Well, maybe, maybe you should slow down, um, and and, and. Just just take a, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself that question Are my words words of life and words of healing?
Speaker 2or are my or are they words of self preservation? Um, and trying to do my own thing.
Speaker 1Well, that's the language, the word the world is teaching us to speak. Yeah, that's right and we have to like learn a second language a second language. Which should be our natural language, but we grew up in this Other one right and we have to learn to speak this language, because it's the true, nature, natural language that we should yeah, I mean always have been speaking, but yeah, we were basically domesticated.
Speaker 2We were domesticated cats.
Speaker 1Man like an animal we got domesticated, and now we do. You know what they want us to do.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's right, which is hate each other and stay distracted and keep buying things.
Speaker 1Yeah, man Not, not to find some happiness in this broken place that we live.
Speaker 2Yeah, I love it, I love it. That's a great, the great place to stop um. Well, brother, another great show. We finished.
Speaker 1Uh, the um, the fellowcraft, uh, lecture, at least what we're going to give you on what we could do it.
Speaker 2Please, please, please, get your Florida masonic monitor, or Equivalent, based on where you are at, what state you're at, and please read it. Please read the lecture, study the lecture, know these lectures talk about it with other masons.
Speaker 2There's so much in there. The the writing is eloquent, um, and it's it's well thought out and it will. It will spark wonderful conversations for you. It'll build you up, uh, in your masonic career, uh, and hopefully you'll take that out and you'll go speak the language of masonry to somebody who needs it and yeah, that's what this show's about.
Speaker 1I'm not perfect, red's not perfect.
Speaker 2We're making mistakes out here publicly.
Speaker 1Yeah, everybody. But we keep moving forward, we keep trying to learn from our mistakes and, most importantly, we apologize.
Speaker 2We apologize always and I hope, I hope everybody knows that If we've said anything or done anything to offend anybody on this show, please understand we we do not claim to be perfect In any ways. We we're trying our best to to share something that we really love and that's that's our fraternal order, our fraternity Um of masonry. We love it and we want to see it prosper. We want to protect it and and we want to share as much of it as we can with as many people as we can, because we really believe that it has something to offer for this, this crumbling society.
Speaker 1It could be the only thing that we have to save us in the future here.
Speaker 2It could be. It could be because it it transcends all faiths and it transcends all political parties. It transcends all of those things. We could, we could Be a solution, a movement for, for individual peace and harmony, um, for, for for everyone. It it could happen.
Speaker 1It could happen. Bring back the masonic party, come on bring back the masonic. Well, yeah, you're a first candidate, fred.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna go over real well. Yeah, I'm not. Wait, I can't be a candidate for high office. I'm not 80 years old yet.
Speaker 1Okay, okay, you got to wait till you're 82 season. You up a little and yeah.
Speaker 2All right, that's it for me. What about you, chris? What do you got? Send us out really interested.
Speaker 1Grandmaster visits tonight. Yes can't wait to welcome most worshipful glenn bishop and his grand Line into our, our little shrine here. Yeah, that's gonna be real exciting. Uh, I can tell you that I just had a text during the podcast with most worshipful foster. Yes, we are set to record with him next Friday morning at 7 30 am All right, all right, excellent. Not next week but the week after we'll finally have most worshipful fosters podcast. Oh, that's great.
Speaker 2That's great. Now he won't be at tonight's thing.
Speaker 1No, he's not okay tonight.
Speaker 2All right, I uh that's that's okay. So that's exciting news.
Speaker 1Thanks guys, that was an awesome interview.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's a great guy, so excited.
Speaker 1Yeah, to get another chance to bring his voice to the world man. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2He's one of our heavy hitters man, so we're we're excited to get him back. Most worshipful foster, thank you in advance.
Speaker 1For what is going to be being very patient with us.
Speaker 2We most appreciate it and, uh, yeah, I look forward to doing it and I look forward to hearing it. So, all right, all right, guys. So, um, any questions, comments, anything at all, please just just email us straight up If you don't like what you're hearing, if you feel like we've said something that is not you know, that's not right or that maybe you we should talk about. We're always open to talk to anybody out there who feels that we have done them any kind of wrong or harm. We're 100 transparent here, man. We're not trying to harm anybody.
Speaker 2We're trying to protect the fraternity that we love, and we hope you are too. So well, uh, like, I'm trying to trying to come up with my parting shot, and so far it's this now that you've heard what you heard, go back to your lodge and build it strong, brother.
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