What if the ancient teachings of Aristotle and the Greeks could illuminate a path to liberating ourselves from ignorance? Join us, as we guide you through the labyrinth of the liberal arts and sciences, shedding light on its profound impact on our understanding of language, speech, and rhetoric. From the art of speaking eloquently to the influence of geometry on society, discover how these disciplines have shaped our world and continue to push the boundaries of human understanding.
Have you ever wondered what the power of melodies and chords has to do with harmony? Or how the politics of different generations have shaped our society? We'll take you on a journey of these fascinating tangents, exploring the harmonics of nature, the influence of music on our emotions, and the ramifications of the baby boomers' financial decisions on future generations. We will also delve into the realm of scientific advancement and faith, examining how they coexist and their implications on our understanding of the universe.
As we reflect on our podcasting journey, we realize the importance of taking these virtues to heart. Every step of this journey has been a lesson, and we're grateful for the opportunity to share these experiences with you. So, whether you're here for the first time or a regular listener, we're excited to have you with us as we continue to explore the mysteries of life, the universe and everything in between.
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What if the ancient teachings of Aristotle and the Greeks could illuminate a path to liberating ourselves from ignorance? Join us, as we guide you through the labyrinth of the liberal arts and sciences, shedding light on its profound impact on our understanding of language, speech, and rhetoric. From the art of speaking eloquently to the influence of geometry on society, discover how these disciplines have shaped our world and continue to push the boundaries of human understanding.
Have you ever wondered what the power of melodies and chords has to do with harmony? Or how the politics of different generations have shaped our society? We'll take you on a journey of these fascinating tangents, exploring the harmonics of nature, the influence of music on our emotions, and the ramifications of the baby boomers' financial decisions on future generations. We will also delve into the realm of scientific advancement and faith, examining how they coexist and their implications on our understanding of the universe.
As we reflect on our podcasting journey, we realize the importance of taking these virtues to heart. Every step of this journey has been a lesson, and we're grateful for the opportunity to share these experiences with you. So, whether you're here for the first time or a regular listener, we're excited to have you with us as we continue to explore the mysteries of life, the universe and everything in between.
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Hey, chris, yeah.
Speaker 2:Fred.
Speaker 1:What's a Mason? That's a really good question, fred.
Speaker 2:You've reached the internet's home for all things masonry. Join Chris and I as we plumb the depths of our ancient craft, from the common gavel to the trowel. Nothing is off the table, so grab your tools and let's get to work. This is On the Level. Well, we are back. We are back, thank you.
Speaker 1:The claps don't come through in the recording.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do. Now I fixed it. So, yes, everyone got the clap. Did they get this? I hope they did. I see it on the it's registering on the sound board. Yeah, so we're making advances here and there as we go, so thank you very much. Sound engineer Fred, who doesn't know what he's doing but is learning.
Speaker 1:Traction, who didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker 2:Didn't know, now he knows, he does now.
Speaker 1:And knowing is half the battle, wow.
Speaker 2:What up, what up, brother?
Speaker 1:You know, just another day in paradise.
Speaker 3:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:Lots of interesting things going on, yeah. I have our Grandmaster's official visit to our district 23 tonight, very excited, which will be well passed over when you hear this.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right, and I, you know I had. I took all of my stuff to the dry cleaners to get cleaned, Not realizing that I need it tonight.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you need flip flops with socks.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm hoping and praying that it'll be done. I dropped it off on Tuesday. They're usually pretty quick, but if not, I'm going to have to figure something else out, because this, this is the ball nights. This would be the night to to make sure you're dressed correctly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I told my wife we have to sit at the big table this time because I'm the president of the master mason association.
Speaker 3:Right, so I have to sit up there with those guys, yeah yeah, yeah, and I'm like, see, got dressed nice.
Speaker 1:And she's like, ooh, she got all excited. And she's like going through her closet. She's like, how sexy can I get?
Speaker 3:I'm like sexies you want baby, how sexy can you be?
Speaker 1:I'm just going to be mad about that Right on. So we'll see what she comes up with tonight. Well, that, that, that will be a good look on you, my brother, yeah right, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, and for our district, and for our district.
Speaker 2:That's right, I was in. I was at the shrine last night and they were setting the tables and setting up the room. The Sahib shrine, Sarasota Sahib shrine, which I am a.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're getting it all prepped and ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they were all in there setting tables out, and the big table that you're talking about was set, so I know exactly where you're going to be sitting. I'll be sitting in the very back corner being quiet.
Speaker 1:hopefully the lodges have tables.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Hopefully we'll have a bunch of people at a table from Sarasota lodge.
Speaker 2:Well, I will definitely be there. I know Schaefer's coming.
Speaker 1:Is your wife coming.
Speaker 2:She is not. She's busy, unfortunately, and she made you know this has been obviously in the plant in the works for a while, yeah, and she already had something planned. So, nope, going to be stag, which is fine. I don't plan on staying late unless we're going to record there, and we're still kind of waiting to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to have to send some texts and see if we can get some.
Speaker 2:Right, there is a room that we can use to record in. So and I, you know we're the this this system is easily moved, so we'll set it up there and hopefully maybe we could get the one I dropped off and blew a foster.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the person that was going Most wishful.
Speaker 2:Foster was the first one Most wishful foster would be great If we could redo his that interview of his. It breaks my heart that we lost that. I lost it because it was so good, it was so so good, and and so we will be uploading the cat Sula. Cat Sula's cat Sula's interview. I did, we do have it, and it's just a matter of converting it from that gigantic, massive wave file to an MP3. So yes, three hours later it'll be done, we finally recovered our very first recording with right wishful Tom Haber.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1:It was our very first one and wound up being our like sixth interview we published Right.
Speaker 2:And we've always confessed to everybody listening that we we really don't know what we're doing, but we're learning, we are learning. We are learning.
Speaker 1:So the hard way, making every mistake along the way.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll, we'll let that one pass by. But, yes, amen, brother, yeah, but hey, hey, we're willing to own up to our mistakes, we are willing to apologize for our mistakes.
Speaker 1:That's the key.
Speaker 2:And, and that's the key.
Speaker 1:And we are willing to learn from our mistakes. So if you admit you made a mistake, you feel really bad and you learn from it. Was it a bad thing?
Speaker 2:I don't know. It sounds like we're. You know we're working to figure out how we can best work and live to get. I don't know how's that go. Again, I forget.
Speaker 1:Best work and best agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's all about hey, forgiveness, mercy, humility, correction, moving on being better, all about it, man, I'm all about that.
Speaker 1:We're always open to your feedback. If you think we're doing a poor job, just send Fred an email at Fred and on the level of fredandquistcom and tell him what you think.
Speaker 2:I will take it. I will take it. I speaking of emails that I've received, you got some good ones. I got some, some really good emails from a lot of brothers and comments on Facebook and comments to.
Speaker 2:For everybody who is aware of the situation that happened in my life and family's life, and for everybody who reached out to me, please know that every single email, every single text, every message that I received was was just huge in my, in my life, I'm I, just I have. I asked my wife last night. We were sitting there at home talking and I said are we, are we handling this in an inappropriate way? Because I am not. I, I feel like I should be more broken. I feel like I should be more emotional. I feel like I should.
Speaker 2:I'm not an emotional person at the beginning but because of your situation, because of the situation and she's like, well, no, because of the amount of support we have and because of you know our faith and we, we know that, we know, you know where, where he is, so we're we're able to grieve in a different way. And I was like, yeah, you know, that's right, that's right and I'm grateful for that. And those cards, the cards and letters this is how old I am, catch up to the nineties, fred, your emails and your texts, my telegrams, all those telegrams from.
Speaker 3:Western.
Speaker 2:Union yeah.
Speaker 1:So all the faxes from the brothers are you?
Speaker 2:the fax, yes, fax machine. The only people that use a fax machine, of course, is the local governments. They still do like the building department. They still use a fax machine, I don't get it and lots and lots and lots of paper, because they're so green. Anyways, we'll stop right there.
Speaker 1:Well I'll say uh, my mother recently passed and I had similar situations. People were telling me you're handling this weird or whatever. But I had a good friend who said I want you to know however you feel about the situation is the right way.
Speaker 3:You're right, there's no wrong way to handle a situation like this man brother, that's right.
Speaker 1:That's it is. Whatever you're feeling is a valid good thing for you to be feeling right now, if it's nothing or what other people think you should be feeling they're wrong. Now you, you know you're going to deal with this on your time and you'll go through the whole range sooner or later.
Speaker 3:That's very true. You're going to hit it all.
Speaker 1:This is how it is right now. So you know, feel blessed that you feel this way right now.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with what you just said. This is us doing it. There is no right or wrong. It is the, however, your hand. I told my son, my um, my, my other son, the same thing, how you know he's. He's questioning this and questioning that. It's like this is this is you dealing with it?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And for anybody out there who's dealing with tough situations. You know, and you're, and other people might be putting stuff on you or you're putting stuff on yourself. Just stop for a second and realize that the way you're going through it is the way you're going through it.
Speaker 3:If you know what I mean, if you get my drift, there it it.
Speaker 2:that's what it is, and if it's painful, if it's hard, or if all of a sudden you feel relieved or joyous, it is that's the way you go through it.
Speaker 1:That's you doing it, that's you doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right man.
Speaker 1:And you go through the others too Over time. Oh, I know, I already feel it, yeah.
Speaker 2:After the memorial service it was began that anticlimactic downward move, right when, all of a sudden, all these emotions came about and I, just I was just. Anyway, to all those who reached out, I'm proud to be affiliated with you in this great fraternity. You guys really showed up in a major way in my life and I know I'm in the right house, it seems like it you know this situation had a positive impact on this really bad situation you're dealing with.
Speaker 2:It really did, it really did. And my youngest son, my second youngest son sorry, danny, danny.
Speaker 1:Boy.
Speaker 2:Danny Boy is my youngest, eric would be my second youngest and I was telling Eric the same thing that we're going to we're not going to forget, we're going to move on and we're going to make something positive out of this, and that's already happened in the family. There's a lot of positive things going on and some rededications and just some, some things happening. So, whatever you're going throughout there, brother, please know that if you're a Mason today, you, you have a huge family of people that will step up and do anything for you. You are, you are not short of brothers, not short of people who will, who will step up and help you, and I'm one of them. So feel free to yell out, to shout out to me I owe, I'm on the, I'm on the IO side and I'm ready to, I'm ready to share, I'm ready to give and I'm ready to help. So let's move on to what's next?
Speaker 2:I think we're going to jump into the, the fellow craft lecture. And having gone through the monitor, I'm realizing that there's a giant chunk of it we have to skip, just because a lot of it is not published.
Speaker 1:So what we thought, that's just for the Mason, that's just for us.
Speaker 2:Just for us, not for everybody out there.
Speaker 1:So it might be annoying thinking why did they keep talking like that? Well, fred and I both did a lot of research before we became Masons. We consumed a lot of videos and podcasts Correct and we're well aware that people may seek this podcast out as a source of information. And so while we are here to talk to our brothers, we're also talking to people that are just interested in Freemason.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's why we say things like that. Yeah, that's right. And our secrets are our secrets. We hold them dear to our hearts. It's part of our fraternity. None of it, none of it. None of it is nefarious in nature at all. There is no nefarious side to Masonry. Sorry, alex Jones, you can, you always beat up Alex Jones.
Speaker 1:I've never listened to Alex Jones in my life.
Speaker 2:That means you're normal. Really, that guy's a weirdo man.
Speaker 1:It's just the guy that just got sued or lost the lawsuit, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:He got sued for like a gazillion dollars. Something dummy said. It's the part that most people don't realize. He got sued for a gazillion dollars and laughed at it because that guy's got so much money really from pushing his ridiculous garbage over the years?
Speaker 1:Does he talk about the?
Speaker 2:Freemasons, oh, all the time.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Oh no, we're the devil. We're the devil the reason the federal government is pretty much owned by Freemasonry and we are, you know, and he patronizes people like me where he says, well, the average Freemason, he's just you know a civic guy.
Speaker 1:You don't know, you're not special.
Speaker 2:You don't know what he's into. He doesn't really know what he's into. It's like Jones you don't know what you're into.
Speaker 1:Well, where is the nefarious part then?
Speaker 2:Yeah, where is?
Speaker 1:it. If the mass of the people involved don't know, doesn't that mean they don't see? Yeah, right, right. So where is it Like? Where's all the bad stuff happening? In a secret room somewhere where the lizard people stay.
Speaker 2:Right, where does that happen? Where's it happening? Right, because there are lodges all over the world. Right, everywhere you go, there are lodges all over the world. You just knock on the door and go inside and ask them what they're up to. They'll tell you Was Washington a lizard guy?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah right, galileo Right, All these people were horrible people. Yeah, Come on man, come on, get your head out your butt.
Speaker 2:I try to tell people all the time. You know, originally there was a guy named Art Bell. Have you ever heard of Art Bell? No, art Bell did a show and it was a radio show he did for a long, long time and the name of the show it eludes me, but it was an entertainment show where he proposed all of these conspiracy theories and he entertained them and he was big into aliens and this is back in the 80s. You know I mean way back when.
Speaker 1:Coast to coast AM.
Speaker 2:Coast to coast AM. That was it and the original show. Once he I think he passed away Dreamland he had a show named Dreamland and Dreamland too, yeah, and they took the show and they kept it going, I think after he either retired or passed away and it became it was really dumb. But when it was live originally, when the show was live Coast to Coast AM, it was kind of fun, it was entertaining. But I don't know if Art Bell ever really there was nothing nefarious about it.
Speaker 2:It was an entertaining show where he kind of dabbled in these little occult things and alien stuff and brought the latest and greatest of the conspiracy theory world and it wasn't an Alex Jones thing where he's actually trying to hurt people, you know, where he's actually trying to make money off of spreading all kinds of BS and hate and stuff like that. You know this guy was. It was kind of fun, you know. I mean the original show anyways. You know it was kind of fun and that was during the X Files, when that first came out. That show, the X Files Art Bell, was really big. Some people say that they took a lot of that stuff from the Art Bell show. That show One of my favorite shows ever would be the X Files. Just because I'm such a.
Speaker 3:Vince Gilligan.
Speaker 2:I'm a Vince Gilligan fanatic.
Speaker 1:I think the man's brilliant he did Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul Best shows ever on television my wife refused to watch them because they were drug shows and she's anti-drugs and I said you know what I'm saying? This isn't a pro drug show.
Speaker 2:Not at all. Not at all.
Speaker 1:You're going to agree with the consequences of being involved in drugs. It's bad.
Speaker 2:And the way it's portrayed. Take it from someone who knows it is very, very realistic. They did their homework, they know what they're talking about. Anyway, I'm not trying to push Breaking Bad on anybody, but you should watch it. But anyway, I don't know where we're going with that. Oh right, we're back to. So what we decided, guys, is that we skipped a lot of the middle section only because it's just not. There's giant chunks of it that are not published. So we can't do that. We wouldn't do that. So we skipped up to the seven liberal arts and sciences part of the lecture, which to me, is really huge. And we're going to start at the part where it says the seven liberal arts and sciences are grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy, and Worshipful Burns is going to take it from there.
Speaker 1:All of them are totally.
Speaker 3:Could you stop me if we get close to something that?
Speaker 1:looks like it.
Speaker 2:Everything to the end of the lecture, and they should be because these are well-known.
Speaker 1:This is part of our culture as humans, while we're talking about in the winding stairs part of this lecture Right.
Speaker 2:And the seven liberal arts and sciences. It comes from the classical teachings of Aristotle and the Greeks, and liberal means. It liberates you. The knowledge of these arts and sciences liberates you from the bondage of ignorance. That's what the liberal part is. So the liberal arts and sciences would liberate a man from the bondage of ignorance by being educated in these classical education parts.
Speaker 1:So I think by liberal they mean academic right. No, they mean it's more like leaning towards the academic than the physical engineering, like science. This is like thinking philosophy kind of side of looking at life and nature, if you liberal. And that kind of a meaning.
Speaker 2:I think, Well, maybe if you Google the seven liberal arts and sciences, you will see it's a specific train, a specific course of teaching from the Greek classics, and they'll tell you that the word liberal means that it liberates from the darkness of ignorance. So if you learn these seven liberal arts and sciences, they will liberate you from ignorance.
Speaker 1:Interesting. So, and it makes sense, because the first one is grammar- Ah, grammar is the key by which alone the door may be open to the understanding of speech. It is by rhetoric.
Speaker 2:Right, so the next one being rhetoric. So you want me to read the optional part. Yeah For grammar. No one ever reads that one because the darn thing's already so long. Yeah, let's see. So it is grammar which reveals the admirable art of language and unfolds its various constituents, it's constituent parts Constituent, maybe, constituent, const. Yeah, sorry, constituent. Let me slow down. I apparently have had too much coffee.
Speaker 1:As always.
Speaker 2:And unfolds its various constituent parts, its names, definitions and respective offices. It unravels, as it were, the thread of which the web of speech is composed. These reflections seldom occur to anyone before his acquaintance with the art. Yet it is most certain that without a knowledge of grammar, it is difficult to speak with propriety, precision and purity.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's so eloquently stated.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:So I want to learn how to talk like this when I grow up.
Speaker 2:Well, and remember when in earliest my earliest memories of school. I did not have a good experience with government school system, but my earliest memories are grammar.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Well learning cursive.
Speaker 1:Which they don't teach anymore. They don't teach anymore, Freaking amazing Right.
Speaker 2:They don't teach any of the seven liberal arts and sciences in school very much anymore. But the next one being rhetoric, go.
Speaker 1:Rhetoric. It is by rhetoric that the art of speaking eloquently is acquired, so grammar is okay. I think I'm picking this up more.
Speaker 2:It's picking up.
Speaker 1:It is maybe understanding the system of how language works.
Speaker 3:Correct how do you?
Speaker 1:form words and sentences to make cohesive, Right. So paragraphs that tell your point eloquently and simply. And now we're saying rhetoric is the art of coloring that. Oh, that's good In such a way as it is interesting to hear the grammar that you've put together, right.
Speaker 2:Right, so it says. It unravels, as it were, the thread of which the web of speech is composed, and rhetoric, the web of speech. Rhetoric is the art of speaking.
Speaker 1:The art.
Speaker 2:So grammar unlocks the web.
Speaker 1:The mystery, the difficulty of speech, because it's not enough to just communicate succinctly.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Clearly you have to also do it emotionally. Get the person you're talking to emotionally invested in what you're saying.
Speaker 2:And that's where rhetoric comes in, and then, by extension, go with logic.
Speaker 1:Oh, logic is that science which directs us to form clear and distinct ideas of things and prevents us from being misled by their similitude and resemblance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so logic. If you take grammar and rhetoric and learn them, the next logical no pun intended. The next logical step is logic I think it's also dialectic is the other word that's used there Dialectic Dialectic is the other word. So logic is the science which directs us to form clear and distinct ideas of things, thereby prevents us from being misled by their similitude or resemblance.
Speaker 1:So basically, two ideas that are very similar. It takes logic to identify what the meaning of that is, based on the context, right.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, logic forces us to look at a thing and try to figure it out or decipher it, like when you look at something and it doesn't make sense, it's not logical, e-logical, it's illogical, right Right. So, but what? The study and understanding of logic forces us to reason in our minds. A thing, so, whatever it is, I have a very mechanical mind, so for me the logic of a thing is like something that I spent a lot of time thinking about because, having been a builder and having been around engineers and architects God help me for so many years the logic of it, how does it work? How does it make sense? Why is it ticking the way it's ticking? That's the logic and learning. That thing is huge. And I think these first three grammar, rhetoric and logic prepare us for this fourth one, which is arithmetic.
Speaker 1:Bless you. Arithmetic is the art of numbering, or that part of mathematics which considers the properties of numbers in general, right and advanced. I hate mathematics.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:But I need to learn to love it Well the world.
Speaker 2:Creation is based on mathematics. I mean advanced mathematics is how we explain the world. Sir Isaac Newton's equation for identifying gravity. That's the calculus. That's where the calculus came from. Correct me if I'm wrong. Out there at math heads You're probably all screaming at it. What is this idea talking about? But his equation. He did not explain what gravity is, but he explained how gravity acts and he created a mathematical equation to figure it out Terminal velocity. It's known as terminal velocity. So if I drop a bowling ball and a marble, this is physics Right.
Speaker 2:Right Next to each other out of an airplane. They're going to reach a certain speed going to the ground and they will not exceed that speed because of gravity. Well, the equation to figure that out is part of Newton's law of gravity. That's part of it, and that's mathematics, advanced mathematics. They use mathematics to figure out. When they put Gemini up into space back in the 80s, which was a probe that was to go to the outer reaches of space, they mathematically figured out exactly when the thing was going to pass by Jupiter which was like 15 years and seven months, two days, five hours and 34 minutes 58 seconds into the future.
Speaker 2:And guess what happened?
Speaker 1:It passed by exactly at that time, which I thought was absolutely amazing to me. It's proof that the mathematics works.
Speaker 2:It's empirical proof that that mathematical truth you can understand things that you can't see. That's right. That's right. And of course, all science is based on hypothesis. So we hypothesize an idea and then we spend our lifetime trying to disprove it, and that's the way science works. It's debated amongst those in the field over and over and over again, to try and disprove it. And if you can't disprove it year after year after year, well guess what? That's science, baby.
Speaker 1:That's the real deal, it's our working theory, right, and it's always a theory.
Speaker 2:That's our working theory, because we haven't been able to disprove it, because time marches on and we discover new things all the time, oh God.
Speaker 1:we're living in an insane time for science, right now.
Speaker 2:Right, you were telling me about something pretty cool. I had a conversation with that company yesterday.
Speaker 1:Did you? I'm a CEO. I talk with this PhD who's working. Put this university on trying to bring this technology into the world.
Speaker 2:Now do we talk about this at the last podcast? I don't think we do.
Speaker 1:No, I talk to you privately I haven't told anyone about it.
Speaker 2:Give us a little bit.
Speaker 1:Okay, quantum science has unlocked all new thinking and it's shattering what we think we know about current laws of the universe. Like you just mentioned, gravity Gravity doesn't apply at the quantum level the way it does in our realm.
Speaker 2:And that kind of makes sense to me, right, because I'm on Earth, I'm standing on Earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, a great example. I was watching a documentary last night. Did you know we have two probes studying the sun right?
Speaker 3:now.
Speaker 1:The Parker telescope, and there's another one specifically taking images of the surface and what you said, the Gemini probe, and they, you know, they did all this math and it wound up at precisely where they thought it was going to be based on the gravitational pull of the planets and the thrust of this thing. Well, the sun's awfully hot. And so you can't, you can't have a direct orbit around the sun or the thing will melt obviously.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So what they did with this Parker probe, which is taking readings of the surface of the sun, is they put it into an orbit in such a way that it goes really close to the sun on one side and the closer you get, the faster the gravitational pull. So it's traveling insanely fast through that hottest part of its journey around the sun and it it fires back out into space and at this crazy velocity. And then they use Venus, the pull of Venus, to slow it down.
Speaker 1:So it comes back, that is so awesome and it's making these zippies, and then it goes slow around Venus and comes back and does a zippy and it's able to record the surface of the sun Every pass it makes all done by the gravitational pushing and pulling of planets and or the sun. That's multiple planets in this case.
Speaker 2:That is so cool.
Speaker 1:And like you see that in Star Trek right.
Speaker 3:Right 70s and 80s.
Speaker 2:We're doing this in science now. That's so cool.
Speaker 1:They're calling it a slingshot orbit. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there's another probe that's meant to just take the photos, because they're trying to understand how the coronal mass ejections happen, because obviously can affect us here on Earth.
Speaker 2:Right, Right. I think I know for you that.
Speaker 1:Fascinated by all this stuff Right.
Speaker 2:You're fascinated by it. I'm I'm the beneficiary of his fascination because he shares it all with me and I just I don't look it up on my own. So I'm glad you shared it with everybody else too.
Speaker 1:What's really interesting.
Speaker 1:What we were talking about is, at the quantum level, the vacuum of space we thought was called dark matter, just emptiness right there and now, because of our ability to study at the quantum level, we're understanding that particles come into and out of reality constantly in the vacuum of space and the emptiness of the vacuum of space. And so it's if there's there's like a sponge level in the entire emptiness of space and the fact that there's a vacuum, you know, and this energy is coming into and out of existence, allows the energy to travel freely because there's no resistance, air or other particles to bounce off of at the atomic level. And so they've done experiments where they put two metal plates in a crazy vacuum that did a little bit of stimulus to these particles that come into and out of existence at the quantum level and the plates moved in the vacuum with no energy, nothing pushing, nothing visible, nothing recordable. In the emptiness of the vacuum of space. There's an invisible force that moves those plates. So they said wait a second, if this energy is everywhere all the time.
Speaker 1:This is where Tesla was. He wanted to pull energy out of the what?
Speaker 1:he called the ether.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:He didn't understand what the ether was, but now we understand. At the quantum level there is something that he thought was the ether that you can pull energy out of and harness it. So there are companies out there trying to make devices, using these experiments that have been reproduced and proven are true, to effectively generate an unlimited, neverending supply of energy out of the quantum, popping in and out of particles in the vacuum of space Without generating massive amounts of radiation or heat. There's no byproduct.
Speaker 1:There is no radiation, there is no heat, there's no chemical reaction, there's nothing but power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what are we going to do with all these oil companies?
Speaker 1:This is why it doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 3:They've known about this since the 20s.
Speaker 1:There's a documentary called the Lost Generation, because it's been stolen from us. We had the power to have basically clean renewable energy in the 20s, but it's been buried because corporations run the world.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, thomas Edison right, he's the one who basically ruined Tesla, stole all of his ideas, got with Westinghouse and the rest is history Edison, Thomas Edison.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Everybody thinks he's the big hero, big inventor, but actually he was just a really crooked businessman really what he was.
Speaker 1:I guess that goes back to the winner's right to history. That's right.
Speaker 2:The winner's right history? That's right. The winner's right to history books? That's right. Remember. I always try to tell people who want to tell me Edison was such a great man. He's the man who invented the electric chair. Let's remember who this man really is In his-.
Speaker 1:The electric chair, the electric the one they used to kill people.
Speaker 2:In his desire to ruin Tesla. Because Tesla's electricity was AC, was alternating current, which is high voltage. It's very dangerous but it can travel long distances over cable and provide a greater benefit to more and more people. Where Edison's original discovery was DC direct current electricity, which is much weaker and is not high voltage. That's low voltage, very different types of electricity. Since Tesla's idea was better, it was gaining in popularity and getting much more notoriety. What Edison did is he created this publicity campaign touting the dangers of this new technology called high voltage electricity. To prove it, he created the electric chair.
Speaker 1:Oh, and showed how you and showed how it kills people.
Speaker 2:Of course, our government, in its wisdom, took it on. Now we fry people's brains.
Speaker 1:We're still doing it in stark. They still do, they still have a chair, they still use that thing. They call them Sparky.
Speaker 3:I don't know man, why not?
Speaker 2:You know what? I just bashed their head in with a baseball bat. What's the difference?
Speaker 1:We're supposed to be humane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's nothing humane about the electric chair. Don't care, no, just don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 1:I think generally lethal injection is the way they do it. I think mostly now.
Speaker 2:That's probably the right way. I am not a fan of capital punishment. I do not want to give this current government and or its regimes the ability to execute anybody. I think it's dangerous. There was a time in this country where capital punishment might have been. This is my opinion. So send your cards and letters to Chris Dang it. I'll take them, chris, on the level with friendchriscom. But it could have been a time in this country where it was a deterrent to violent crime, to murder and all that capital punishment. But I don't agree with that anymore. It's time that this government should not be allowed to execute anybody ever. Until we get a handle on the administrative state, which is completely out of control. My opinion, let's move on.
Speaker 1:You need to somehow take the corporate's ability to control government away if you really want to fix it. Give it back to the people. Every clean energy is a great way to start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sure is. That's why they hate Bitcoin so much because you can't control it. What your government wants you to know is you're not allowed to have money that we can't steal from you. That's what Bitcoin is. It's money they can't take from you without you giving them permission first. This would be the same thing An energy source that I can have in my house that does not need outside approval, outside aid of any kind from anyone produces.
Speaker 1:No, not going to blow up on you, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can't have that.
Speaker 1:You can take it in a cave and basically live for your entire lifetime with free energy.
Speaker 2:Listen, if you keep this up, what's Ted Cruz going to do for a living? Come?
Speaker 3:on.
Speaker 2:What's Nancy going to do, what are all these elites going to do if we become autonomous, 100% autonomous, just dealing with each other with love and respect? Can't have it, man. That's not going to work.
Speaker 1:Well, I had a great meeting yesterday. Do I sound cynical A little, but this is where I'm at, too All right, I'm sorry I interrupted.
Speaker 2:I'm with you on that. You had a great meeting yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I'm pessimistic on the future of humanity. I think we're going to know, we're going to you know, there's not much we can do at this point.
Speaker 2:We're going in a very bad direction.
Speaker 1:Negative outlook. That's where I've been.
Speaker 2:I see that in you, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's like oh, what's the point of anything we're all going to burn out here? So the fact that go watch a documentary by Dr Stephen Greer named the Lost Century, and they do a pretty good job of explaining the concept of zero plant energy and how it's been proven and how it can be done and I found a company that actually has a patent the only patent I have ever seen on a device that can do this and they're working with the university. They're seeking the last round of funding to actually bring this to market. They're going to start with flashlights and little things.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 1:And I got to meet with a PhD. I got to meet with his wife and the CEO of this company and we're going to help them. I actually reached out to Stephen Greer to try to get him involved in what they're doing.
Speaker 2:That's so awesome.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. It's crazy the opportunities we have because of science. It's like Real science. It's not like a university or government it should be or is controlling these things. It's happening so fast that the people on the bleeding edge are the ones making these things a reality.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:It's crazy scientists that aren't part of mainstream academia, those who are free to think and explore what is in front of them, those guys. It's just a fun time to be alive and I have some hope finally for the future. It's a very nice feeling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see that and we definitely want updates regarding this new venture that you're looking into. Give us the updates when it comes time to invest.
Speaker 1:Please let us know there will be and I will let you know. All right.
Speaker 2:Geometry.
Speaker 1:Geometry.
Speaker 3:Oh, this is a big one for Freemasonry.
Speaker 1:Geometry Start me off there. Geometry treats. Geometry treats of the powers and properties of magnitudes in general, where length, breadth and thickness are considered From a point to a line, from line to a superfeecee and from superfeecee to a solid. Okay, a point.
Speaker 3:A point.
Speaker 1:Is the beginning of all geometric matter. Right. A line is a continuation of the same. A superfeecee has length and breadth without a given thickness. A solid has length and breadth with a given thickness and forms a cube which comprehends the whole. That's getting a little deep. That's awesome Into geometry. But it treats of the powers and properties of magnitudes in general.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:The powers and properties of magnitudes.
Speaker 2:All right, so In general, the next heading is called the advantages of geometry. Starts out by geometry.
Speaker 1:The architect is unable to construct his plans and execute his designs. The engineer to mark out grounds for encampment. The general to arrange his soldiers. The geographer, the engineer. The engineer To mark out. Oh, I've messed something up.
Speaker 2:You did. You wanna start over by geometry? The architect is unable to construct his plans and execute his designs. The general To arrange his soldiers. To arrange his soldiers.
Speaker 1:The engineer. To mark out grounds for encampment Encampment- the geographer To give us the dimensions of the world and all the things therein contained. So we're back on track To delineate the extent of seas and specify the divisions of empires, provinces and kingdoms by geometry.
Speaker 2:By it also the astronomer.
Speaker 1:Oh, the astronomer. By it also, the astronomer is unable to make his observations and fix the duration of time and seasons, years and cycles In fine.
Speaker 3:geometry is the foundation of mathematics Of architecture, of architecture and the root of mathematics.
Speaker 1:Wow, sorry, you should just read these.
Speaker 2:No, no man, no way, you got it, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 1:But yeah.
Speaker 2:The advantages of geometry, right, I mean, it is the basis.
Speaker 1:Really, it's everything Right To our society.
Speaker 2:Everything to mankind. I mean, there's no way you get around. Mathematics, geometry, all of these seven liberal arts and sciences were given to us by our creator to take us out of darkness into light. You can't understand the world around you, the creation that screams that there is a designer, that there is a founder, a great architect of all this is seen through these seven liberal arts and sciences. I mean a geometry being one of the major ones.
Speaker 1:I mean it Would you agree that maybe you could say, one could say, geometry is the language by which we read the book of nature.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:That's kind of like how we understand what's happening through the language of geometry. Right, we get the ideas of our creator into our grammar rhetoric and we able to rail these logic to look at it scientifically. But we've talked about this before. Geometry and the shapes that we see in nature inform how we build our structures.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And the things that we find in nature we combine and experiment with to find compounds that heal and are used for miraculous things. What people in the past would have literally considered miracles is just science to us.
Speaker 3:Right, right yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like I always go back to. I always go back to Sir Isaac Newton only cause he's a Presbyterian like I am, but he said his famous quote was that it's like I'm thinking God's thoughts after him. And geometry is simply that we are seeing. It's a process for thinking thoughts and seeing the way the world was made.
Speaker 2:And then, taking what we see architecture, for instance, right, you see the way a forest is constructed in nature. You see the way rock formations are, you see the way the earth in its foundation is, and then you begin to see how architecture became the foundation, the pillars, the trusses, the arches, the roof lines. All of those things is seen in nature and taken by man, who's part of nature to create these edifices that we have built, greater and greater and more complicated. Because it's our nature to create. It's our nature because we are Amago Day, we are made in the image, and that Amago Day is in all of us. We wanna create, we wanna build, we wanna be better, we wanna strive to do good, to be in fellowship, to be part of this world. And I just, I don't know, man, I'm digging this.
Speaker 1:There's very few animals that we know of in the world that learn and change through generations. Right Few very few. Yeah, I think they. I've seen that there are packs of killer whales in certain areas of the world that have learned specific hunting techniques that only those killer whales know about because the elders teach it to the youngers.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And so they continue to perfect it through the generations. But it's specific to that pack.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:They like actually beach themselves and grab animals, which no other killer whales in the world do.
Speaker 3:Right, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:And so when that particular family dies, that knowledge will be lost forever.
Speaker 3:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:And this is the human species. Like we're segmented into these independent packs and some of us figure things out and we got to start looking at each other as a whole, as one species in it together, and think about our future and our survival and think stop thinking about the line in the sand. That's my dirt, not your dirt, and I'm gonna kill all of your family if you touch my sand.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:They say that astronauts every one of them has this experience when they see the Earth from the outside, of an awakening of like wow, I've been lied to my whole life. This is such a small, fragile thing in the existence of the universe. We don't have time to be fighting and separating ourselves. We need to figure out a work together here, yeah, that they get that celestial perspective on our place which we don't get.
Speaker 2:I totally get that. It's the age-old problem, man, a colonization for the past. What 1,000 years, maybe more than 1,000 years, colonization has been the way where the stronger nation comes to that the smaller nation and overtakes it and presses the weaker into service to the stronger. I mean it started with the Babylonian Empire and then the Babylonian Empire gave way to the Medo-Persian Empire, which gave way to the Grecian Empire, which gave way to the Roman Empire, and then the Roman Empire fragmented and became basically what we see today. Now there's, as a Christian theologian, there's some theology there, but I'll spare you all that stuff. But it's history. World history is a history of colonization and and-.
Speaker 1:Well, Rome's involvement in the birth of Christianity is pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2:Oh, it absolutely is. It's the vehicle that was used to spread it into the world. You know, by the persecution thereof, forced it to go out into the world, and that's a whole other conversation, of course, but what the point is is that even to this day, colonization continues. This, our country, our tax dollars, is used all over the world to colonize all kinds of different places. We have 840 military bases all over the world, and they are there to show dominance and control over people, groups that we have no business being anywhere in.
Speaker 2:And look at the expansion of the crown in the 1600s throughout the lesser Antilles down through Barbados and all the islands and the Caribbean. And they just came onto those islands and said you now belong to us, you are our slaves, we own all of your natural resources. We're promoting those and when we're done we're gonna leave you.
Speaker 1:And you're welcome.
Speaker 2:You can now worship us and thank us, and now you have to talk like us look like us and be like us, and that's colonization, man, and maybe, maybe, somehow, you know, the era of colonization is over. You know, if we're looking at, look right now in Europe, what's going on there with these wars and these color wars, fake wars, proxy wars, all for the sake of keeping the American dollar, the fiat dollar system, alive as the global financial standard.
Speaker 1:People are afraid of change.
Speaker 2:They don't wanna change, you know, but there is change on the horizon and it's technology. And it's the generation my sons who are in their 30s. You know, it's their generation, my sons and daughters. Their generation is the one that has to step up and take away the elite ability to colonize others, you know, and maybe bring about some sort of independence, you know, I don't know what to call it, you know, but we all need to be free to make our own mistakes and make our own choices.
Speaker 1:Well, we live in a country that we ourselves colonized.
Speaker 2:And now we're like it's our country.
Speaker 1:You stay out of our country.
Speaker 2:It's true. It's true, the crown.
Speaker 1:We colonized it and the Dutch colonized the Eastern United States. Sure, there were people here, there were indigenous people here. They perfectly find happy lives.
Speaker 2:Well, you could argue that they were in bad shape. The Indian nations were at war with each other in a big way.
Speaker 3:They were slaughtering each other Sure they were yeah.
Speaker 2:It was the same thing colonization. They were colonizing each other as well, and we came along and colonized the colonizers. They were drawing their boundary lines, still I often wonder.
Speaker 1:You know, you ever wonder what? Because that's one society that wasn't allowed to progress naturally the. Indian nation and they're stuck in preservation mode. They're trying to preserve the culture that they had at the point where we ended it. But I often wonder like what would it have evolved into if they had been allowed to, if we had never colonized America, if they had their own nation?
Speaker 3:where would that have gone?
Speaker 1:Well, but it's kind of fascinating to imagine what would have happened.
Speaker 2:I think that they were a society on the downside of their greatness, In other words they came out of the. Aztec from the South and the indigenous peoples came up through for a thousand years. And then it became very tribal yeah, right, and by the time the white man came with his influenza to these shores, they were already. They were killing each other man. It was mass slaughter all over the place. They had depleted the natural, their natural resources, the buffalo and all of the planes they had completely depleted.
Speaker 2:What the Indians yeah, they were on the verge of depleting a lot of it. Yeah, they were not doing great man. They were not doing good when we got here. Not that we helped them in any way Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that. But they were slaughtering each other in a major way and they were just colonizing each other, just like we were colonizing them. And now I don't know who's gonna colonize us, because we're in trouble here. Man, who's coming on our shores, you know, to take over and say you now belong to us? I don't know.
Speaker 1:We're in this Aliens. Well, I think we're in this global place now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, though, that's true.
Speaker 1:It's probably gonna become a more homogeneous one thing. I'm not against the idea, man, I'm not against it, I'm certainly we won't know it, we won't admit it, but there's gonna be probably like one real power that's pulling the strings down the road.
Speaker 2:We'll see, We'll see. I am an optimist when it comes to the future, just simply because my faith dictates.
Speaker 1:Well, you know science is hopeful because all the great strides we're making, like the web telescope, for example it takes so much money and resources that nations have to work together to progress science, right? You see that there's like five major countries that are working on these projects and they're independently donating billions of dollars and their brightest minds to work together on this stuff, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's some hope in that I agree, and I find I do a lot, a lot of study on different things and I just go down all these rabbit holes, but I'm finding that the European mindset is becoming far more superior from a frontier, scientific, frontier attitude than the good old US of A mindset anymore. We have corrupted ourselves so badly that everything, anyone who's in charge of anything, is there as a grifter, it seems to me, who is trying to enrich themselves financially. Right, and the government has partnered with the large corporations. You cannot tell the difference between them anymore.
Speaker 1:Partners are kind of word to use.
Speaker 2:Yeah, partners right and their only goal, it seems like, is to continue to hold on to power and enrich themselves. We've lost that ability to work together to create some sort of scientific breakthrough. I don't see any major scientific breakthroughs coming from this country that aren't in cooperation with other nations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it needs to be in cooperation with other nations, because all we wanna do is all we wanna do, is our elites wanna hold us down and what they wanna do is enrich themselves and their families at our expense. And that has to stop, and I think that is going to stop very quickly here and we are going to see a new day come out, the fourth turning. Read the book. It's a great book.
Speaker 1:You still need to read that. You've mentioned it several times.
Speaker 2:The author does not do the audio book, which I'm never a fan of, but the guy that does it does it pretty well, so it's worth getting the fourth turning.
Speaker 1:The audio book's better.
Speaker 2:The audio book is good. It's pretty good, yeah, the book itself is. You're gonna have to read it. Well, I had to read it twice because it's a little in depth, but it's very hard to deny the fact that societies do turn on these cycles, and they make a very good case that we are on that fourth and final cycle where the end of the current direction, the current leaders, the current all of it is crashing and coming apart. And who can deny that? We see that happening all over the world.
Speaker 1:Let's hope so.
Speaker 2:And it's crumbling and crumbling and crumbling. There'll be pain, there'll be some suffering, but out of that comes something better, and that's why I always say it's the generation, it's the generation of my children, who are the ones who are gonna have to make the difference. It's gonna be up to them, not me. I'm an old man, I'm done.
Speaker 1:I'm part of the baby boomers.
Speaker 2:We were the problem, not the solution.
Speaker 1:You do hear that the baby boomers were part of them. Big problem.
Speaker 2:They sold out their grandchildren's financial future for a zero copay.
Speaker 1:So at what point does? When did that generation stop?
Speaker 2:See, I don't know if they ever started. So the generation before them, okay, that was the generation that actually they stepped up and went to World.
Speaker 3:War I and World War II.
Speaker 2:The greatest generation, right? The baby boomers are those who the boom of children that were produced from those people. So these are the we. I'm the last generation. I'm the last year. I was born in 62. So that's the last year of the baby boomers.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's what I was asking. So, early 60s, Right right.
Speaker 2:So if you were born in, my wife was born in 64, she thinks she's the last generation of boomers, but she's actually the first generation of the next and I don't know what they call that. I don't know what they're called, but the baby boomers are. And now, if you look, I'm 60 and I'm the youngest year. So the baby boomers are all old. They're all old. If you look at, look at our government officials, especially on the national level in Washington DC, the average age there is 82. Hello, is this thing on 82 years old Sounds like Freemasonry? Sounds like Freemasonry? Not for long. Maybe the Freemasonry needs a fourth turning as well? Yeah, but nothing new, nothing brave, nothing courageous can come from an 80 year old person.
Speaker 1:The thing is, like I'm not an ageist, like I think there's great-.
Speaker 2:Don't get me wrong. Let me say that 80 year old people I learn a lot from 80 year old people, because they've been through life. But their station in life is to share wisdom, Not break new boundaries.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and I think Elon Musk said this you can't shoot for eternal life, because society would never change. The only reason it changes is because generations die and young people have new ideas they can implement.
Speaker 2:Right, and he's looking at it from a worldly, a purely worldly perspective.
Speaker 1:Right, this is a microcosm of that. If we let the oldest of us run everything as long as they're there, nothing's gonna change.
Speaker 2:It's not really. No, it's not gonna change. Why would it? It's not to their advantage to change anything.
Speaker 1:The ideal situation is where you have a good representation of a cross-section of your society representing you in the government. So you've got young people, old people, women, moms, everything.
Speaker 2:However it plays out this is how we share ideas Our founding fathers had the right idea. There's these checks and balances against each other, and people come to serve for the benefit of society and then they leave. So we were never designed to have senators that stay for 42 years in position.
Speaker 1:That's how you fix it. Just make them two year terms, All our problems are gone.
Speaker 2:Well now, I would agree with you 30 years ago, but now, because the administrative state has taken on a life of its own, politicians don't really mean anything, and we can see that in the White House right now.
Speaker 1:They can say and do what they want. It's like American gladiators they just put that guy out there to entertain us yeah Well, the strings are being pulled in the back.
Speaker 2:I would say that's been true for the last 20 years myself. But, like I said, I've said it before. I get in a lot of trouble for it, but I really don't participate much in the current left versus right political scheme. It's not my game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's wise. Yeah, I'm done with it All right, and we're only four, four of these in, I think.
Speaker 2:The next one is music, I love music.
Speaker 3:Go.
Speaker 1:Music is that sublime science, music.
Speaker 3:Is that Music?
Speaker 1:is that elevated science which affects the passions by sound. There are few who have not felt such charms that acknowledged its expressions to be intelligible to the heart. It is a language of delightful sensations far more eloquent than words. It breathes to the ear the clearest intimations. It touches and gently agitates the agreeable and the sublime passions.
Speaker 2:It dissolves, it wraps us, it wraps us in melancholy and lifts us in joy and elevates us in joy.
Speaker 1:Man, you better finish reading this All right, all right.
Speaker 2:Sublime passions. It wraps us in melancholy and elevates us in joy. It dissolves and inflames. It melts us in tenderness and excites us to war. This science is truly congenial to the nature of man, for by its powerful charms the most discordant passions may be harmonized and brought into perfect unison. But it never sounds with such symphonic harmony as when employed in singing hymns of gratitude to the great creator of the universe. Wow, it says symphonic. It says symphonic. Oh, I learned seraphic.
Speaker 1:Seraphic, oh well it is seraphic. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Seraphic is the verb for symphonic right. I don't know. I don't know either. Obviously, somebody, our English majors, please chime in here. We need your help. It's beautiful, though Apparently desperately, it really is beautiful. The science is truly congenial to the nature of man. For by its powerful charms, the most discordant passions may be harmonized.
Speaker 1:This is like we could talk about this for an hour.
Speaker 3:We could.
Speaker 1:Because music is a science People don't think about it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely a science In that way do they.
Speaker 1:But it is a science. There are particular notes and particular chords that we can agree go well together and something that don't go together, and how you arrange that and mix it at the small level and the whole dictates beauty or it could dictate. You know, we have certain rhythms and sounds that we use only for war.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:That excite us and get us ready to like, put our lives on the line.
Speaker 2:When the trumpet sounds, man Like it's our blood going Right.
Speaker 1:There's music that can put you in a state where you're ready to lay down your life or fight harder, just like there's music that can make you feel like you wanna hug someone or cry Absolutely true and invoke emotions like that in you.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Music can do that to us, and the people that know how to manipulate our emotions through music are mad scientists. Man.
Speaker 2:It's really true. What you said about music is true. It is mathematic. It is three notes make a chord and so there's three. So like, for instance, the chord of A would be in the A, c and E notes together, so the major being the A, so the A would be melody and then the other two would be harmony. So if I were to sing a perfect A, okay, and then two other people were to sing a perfect C and E, you would have three people singing a chord in complete harmony, and it sounds really beautiful. Yeah, and it's amazing, but in guitar or piano, and you know you play piano, so you know.
Speaker 1:Kind of I don't know what notes or chords, I don't think.
Speaker 2:But it's, it's. It is part of the fabric, yeah, of human life and experience. Music fits into geometry and it fits into mathematics, yeah. And it fits in in such an amazing way. Well, there goes the microphone.
Speaker 1:Sounds have.
Speaker 2:Like those yeah.
Speaker 1:Sounds have harmonics to them, and waves Absolutely, oh yeah, yeah Well, their frequencies.
Speaker 2:Patterns Right. Yeah, 60 megahertz, frequency Right. And the faster the frequency goes, the higher the sound and electricity. Electricity flows on frequency. Sound is a frequency and music is based in frequency and we know a good sound from a bad sound. That's the other amazing part. You don't have to be a musician to know that when somebody's singing off key Instinctively, it's horrible yeah.
Speaker 1:And we I think we've talked about this before Like we're hardwired to recognize sounds and for those sounds to evoke emotions in us.
Speaker 3:At a primal level. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1:Like the high pitched tweeting of a bird. Yeah, sounds soothing and relaxing to us. Right it makes us feel safe.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:The low baritone growl of a large animal Sends a chill down our spine.
Speaker 3:Right Primally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those sounds evoke emotions in us, and music is a continuation of the same.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, I like, I like where you're going with that. So you know, the roar of a lion Like I Terrifying, right, well, I Primal, I mean we're intelligent, we know we're safe.
Speaker 1:But if you were in the wild and you heard that and you didn't know where it was coming from, you're having a brown pants moment. You're having a moment, yeah, instinctively, you can't stop it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that those sounds like I exercise on Celery Hill, which is a hill Used to be a dump.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we turned it into a park.
Speaker 2:But it's the closest thing we have to an actual hill here in Florida. But I work out there. Well, on the other side of it is a place called Big Cat Preserve and every time I'm out there working out you can hear yeah, we have Big Cat. Preserve. We have Big Cat Preserve. You can hear the lions roaring.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it is intimidating even though they're in cages, you know, 200 yards away, I mean, and it does invoke this wow, that creature is absolutely magnificent, you're not?
Speaker 1:gonna not snap your neck towards that sound when you hear it. Every time it's gonna hold your attention.
Speaker 2:But the interesting thing is that music, we humans have taken sounds, have taken these sounds and we have transformed them into this system of sound, recognized sounds that provoke these emotions and convey all these messages. I mean, I know, for me, I listen to a lot of hymns, the old hymns you know from way back when you know in the 1600s and 1700s, a lot of the hymns that were written, and those hymns, when you sing them, they cause you to memorize these messages and it's so powerful and it's absolutely amazing to me how intricate the idea and concept of music is. I mean, I grew up in the 80s, you know, and so for me classic rock was everything and some of the music from that era is just absolutely stuck with me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know it is absolutely like anything. Yes, the band yes Ever did is just stuck with me. Pink Floyd, and you know some of the high quality stuff from that era of musicianship. You know I'm not gonna comment on today's music, but back then it really made an impression upon me. For good or for bad, it absolutely became part of the fabric of who?
Speaker 1:I am. I think every generation probably experiences that yeah absolutely. Because, in the form of years of your youth, music really is an important part of your life. It really is it really does help you connect with your generation really.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:Because you all are listening to the same stuff. You all are feeling the same things. There's a connecting aspect to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then you get older and the music changes and you're like ah, ah, ah. Well, that's true, they're old days and we were all listening to this stuff.
Speaker 2:And my parents said the same thing to me and I say the same thing to my kids. Yeah, it happens, and I'm with you, man, right.
Speaker 1:It was different music for my generation, but we had the same stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I hear the same crap now and I'm like this ain't music. Right, yeah, well, I was like you're old, I'm like no, literally they're not singing. They're not singing, they're making weird sound.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like last night I was at the shrine and out on the Tiki Hut. They got a big, beautiful Tiki Hut restaurant there that they built. And yeah, the Tiki Hut the average age is my age over there. Let's just be honest. It's an older crowd of people that go to the shrine and participate there, but for some reason the bartenders decided to put late 90s, early 2000s hip hop. I'm sorry, it's probably even earlier stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean modern hip hop, grunting and grinding kind of female sounds coming out of this beatbox sound and everybody in there's got this. Look on their face like what?
Speaker 1:is this. So yeah, they didn't catch their audience, huh.
Speaker 2:They did not catch the audience at all.
Speaker 1:No, they missed it completely and we're all just looking like what the heck is going on here, but the point we're closer there after lodge and they're always doing karaoke, so it's a mixed bag Every time I go over there.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not sure about it. Karaoke is kind of defies the beauty and laws of music, because this is a chance for people who are not musicians to get up and actually sing. And that's when you hear those horrible off tones from people who are doing their very best and trying to be, the star of the show.
Speaker 1:It's like hit and miss, Even in the same song. Sometimes they'll be on it.
Speaker 3:And I'm like dang.
Speaker 1:And then they get into the other part and you're like, ooh, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, I don't know how do we get on? Music.
Speaker 2:Oh, music, music, Music and of course it goes immediately to karaoke.
Speaker 1:Of course, we always find the lowest way to talk about something.
Speaker 2:That's right. But the science is truly congenial to the nature of man, for by its powerful charms the most discordant passions may be harmonized and brought into perfect unison. But it never sounds with such serphonic harmony, seraphic, seraphic harmony, as when employed in singing hymns of gratitude to the great creator of the universe. I just really appreciate that.
Speaker 1:You know what they say there. It's really true. There's some people who probably know this. There's a Christian musical group called Hillsong. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a church but I think the musical group really made the name for them Hillsong Right and they revolutionized how churches do music.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They made it more modernized. It's like they're using.
Speaker 2:They turned it into a $2.5 billion year industry along the way.
Speaker 1:It's so powerful because now, when people come to your service, they feel like they had an emotional experience. A spiritual experience. They feel that and it's the music that's evoking that in them, not the message.
Speaker 3:That's true. They don't know any different Right.
Speaker 1:And so at the church, I think they found music to be a powerful way to connect with their audience as well.
Speaker 2:I think that music has always been a powerful way to convey the message, but these people took it to this extreme and then changed the message to fit their narrative.
Speaker 1:They like modernized it, I guess.
Speaker 2:And then took it to a global audience, where they all became very, very wealthy. Oh yeah, and it all fell apart in a most magnificent way. Yeah, and they embarrassed themselves and the entire idea, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 1:But whatever I think the band and the people involved with making that music had good intentions. Well, there was a lady who started it.
Speaker 2:Her name was Darlene Czech and she was one of the early ones Beautiful voice, I mean powerful, beautiful voice, and it was in the very beginning where the ideas and the concepts that were taught through the music, the message of the music was sound and it was good. But that woman, she became quite wealthy quite quickly and I don't know what became of her. I certainly not going to comment on her status, but I think that once history shows us that, once the big money comes in, things change. You forget your original concept, you forget your charter and you begin to do whatever you got to do to keep the money train going. And it's just human nature. The big money corrupts, big, it just does.
Speaker 1:For the good or bad of it. You can't deny that music has had a major impact on the modernization of religion.
Speaker 2:And on that let's finish with the final one astronomy. Astronomy, is that sublime.
Speaker 1:Science which inspires the contemplative mind to soar, loft and read the wisdom, strength and beauty of the great creator of the heavens. Assisted by astronomy, we ascertain the laws which govern the heavenly bodies and by which their emotions are directed.
Speaker 1:Investigate the power by which they circulate in their orbs, discover their size, determine their distance, display their various phenomena and correct the fallacy of the senses by the light of truth. How nobly eloquent of the deity is the celestial hemisphere spangled with the most magnificent heralds of his infinite glory. They speak to the whole universe, for there is no speech so barbarous but their language is understood, no nation so distant, but their voices are heard. Among them, the heavens proclaim the glory of God, the firmament declare the work of his hands.
Speaker 2:That quote right there is from Psalm 19.
Speaker 1:You actually quoted that at the last podcast. Yeah, you did.
Speaker 2:And it's true, and that is probably the basis of this. Now, that's, of course, the writings of David, king David, which is Solomon's son. So we're not far off a masonry here, because a lot of masonry is based on Solomon's writings in life, and the things he did.
Speaker 1:He was the wisest king, supposedly. Whoever lived?
Speaker 2:And he was taught by his father, king David, and it proclaims that the infinite glory. And astronomy is that science of star gazing, of gazing into the universe and contemplating its beauty, its magnificence and its design. My goodness, if you just look at the Earth's rotation, that what is it? 27.6 degrees, a perfect pitch. It runs around in this perfect circuit that continues to go. Generation after generation move it by one degree and all life on Earth ceases to exist.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know it's this fine tuning of the universe speaks of a very powerful mind that put it together and maintains it. It's really tough, in an age of scientific enlightenment, to get around that.
Speaker 1:This is one of the great things that's happening, I think, right now. Science is helping us connect to our faith. The scientists thought they had it all figured out. It was so simple.
Speaker 3:Right, it's very cut and dry.
Speaker 1:This must have happened, but with the technology we have and the things we're doing now, they are realizing they've been wrong a lot.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:About things that they thought were for sure. The way things are. And some of them are almost willing to admit it, yeah some of them almost, but I mean there's new branches of science that didn't even exist five years ago right now.
Speaker 3:Right, we are clearly in that.
Speaker 1:That's how fast we're advancing.
Speaker 2:The age of scientific enlightenment is just accelerating faster and faster and faster, and it keeps pointing to the thing that this little masonic monitor is pointing out.
Speaker 1:Is it what we thought? Is it exactly what we thought? Was there a man, a white man with a beard in the sky, who was pointing down, maybe not exactly like that.
Speaker 2:Da Vinci, that's Da Vinci's painting. Yes, I get it.
Speaker 1:But the consciousness cannot be denied.
Speaker 2:No, that's right.
Speaker 3:And that's.
Speaker 1:Even scientists now are starting to say what they're seeing is shocking. Right, the universe expansion is giving them a better understanding of that. It had a beginning, and if there was a beginning of what was before that, we clearly think we know. And then we realize we've only seen a small little speck of reality. It's so much bigger than we thought and so different than we thought. And so now, finally, the scientists are starting to finally get. We don't really know.
Speaker 1:We're seeing more, but we don't really know and we're not going to say this is this. But what I think a lot of scientists are starting to say is there is an undeniable consciousness behind everything.
Speaker 2:Undeniable.
Speaker 1:You can't deny it and you can choose not to call it, if God, if you want. But I just talked to a PhD yesterday who has a book coming out called the God Consciousness.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:And this is a scientist, astrophysicist, who has found God through the study of the stars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's happening more and more. You can't deny the design. And if, look, if I walk by a building downtown and I tell you that this building had an architect and if I ask you, do you know the architect? And they say no, and then they ask me well, how do you know the building had an architect? The reason I know the building had an architect is because the building exists, it's there.
Speaker 2:The building exists, therefore there must have been an existor. It has to be. There's just too much evidence of it. And that's the basis of intelligent design, that the intelligent design theory says that, based on advanced scientific study, it is more and more clear all the time that there is a mind, a very powerful, a very advanced mind, behind it A consciousness. You can call it that. I mean some people call it. What is it Chi you?
Speaker 3:can call it.
Speaker 2:I mean An energy, right, but me, I'm a Christian. I call it Yahweh, but that's you know, that's um. I thought the Jews called it Yahweh. Yahweh, which is it, just means I am, that's the name he told Moses, you actually don't use. Yahweh. I don't use the name Yahweh no Father, son and Holy Spirit, but that's me because of my faith.
Speaker 2:You may be as a Mason from a different faith, but what we can all agree on is the concept of intelligent design and, as a matter of fact, as a Mason, you made a profession to deity, which would speak to an intelligent designer Because we call him the great architect of the universe. I don't know what else you would consider the great architect of this magnificent, very detailed, like clockwork universe, other than you know what I was going to say. Sorry, I got in a rabbit's hole, let me get back. It's interesting to me.
Speaker 1:Happens to both of I know right, those poor rabbits, man.
Speaker 2:What's interesting to me is in, scientific advancement Continues to push us closer and closer and closer to a point where our scientific, empirical, scientific, as if scientific evidence stops and Something that I believe begins, because you get to a point where you just have to believe some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. I think one thing that it's impossible for anyone to deny is that we currently don't have the capabilities to fully Understand the nature of the universe.
Speaker 1:Absolutely we're not given those things, or even the most simple thing, reality. We don't really understand it fully and I think people are starting to agree that we may never get to understand it in our lifetimes, but it's the pursuit of the understanding that brings us closer. Every new thing we learn Gives us a little bit more light and connection to Whatever the creator consciousness that made. All this is right, we are a part of it. Yeah, we are Influencing it. We are able to influence it through our own, obviously, actions.
Speaker 1:Collectively through time, not as individuals. When you look at the universe and the scale of time, it's ridiculous right, and to me it always comes down to just a scale.
Speaker 2:It's a scale. It's what is the most plausible Explanation based on the information that you currently have, and I I challenge every person out there to to consider why are we here? Why is there something rather than nothing? Nothing is easier. Achieving nothing is far easier than achieving this that we have seen all around us. Why, why? Why ask yourself these questions? What is the most plausible explanation, given the facts that you have At your disposal, for our existence?
Speaker 2:I have done that. I spent 30 years doing it. I'm I am convinced and I'm open. I'm open to discussion. Obviously, I'm on the show talking about that all the time, but I am convinced because I have done the work. I encourage every man out there do the work. I'm not going to do it for you. You have to do it yourself search, seek, pray, ask, do all the things that your masonic, your, your masonic teaching, tells you. You know what does it say? Seek, knock, ask, do all of these things, and seek it with all your heart. What is the most plausible explanation? Why are you here? What is the most plausible explanation for that? It is a great study. You will not regret it. You won't regret it, yeah, and if you do?
Speaker 1:that I doubt you're gonna come to the conclusion that you're here to make yourself as wealthy, powerful and and have the ability to subjugate as many other people.
Speaker 2:Amen, possibly can.
Speaker 1:That's not the good, that is not gonna be the conclusion Anyone is gonna come to regardless of where they settle on. Absolutely they're all gonna be closer to.
Speaker 3:We're here to help others.
Speaker 1:We're here to connect ourselves as a species and improve the situation of our species through time, and our family and our friends and the people that are connected to us we have influence over in our small lifetime, right, so we should use that influence to help them. That's that's kind of the conclusion that everyone who does any study Will come to. Yeah, naturally, that's right. We ain't here to make ourselves, an island unto ourselves, because when you do in the world, you'll be miserable. You're miserable.
Speaker 2:You'll be the most miserable person. Jay Paul Getty. On his deathbed. Jay Paul Getty, the wealthiest man in the world, he said I am the most miserable man on earth. We all think money's gonna fix our problems.
Speaker 1:It didn't fix his, it did all those people they died with their children hating them.
Speaker 2:And their, their lives. You know, they had all the money in the world, but they, they died Lonely, you know, and with without anything. And and then you know it, like you said, you're, you're so right, chris, that you never happens if you seek, if you seek. The the truth about why you're here. What is the most possible explanation? You will quickly find that it is. It is to love others, it is to care for others, it is to be in right now.
Speaker 1:You're going through one of the most traumatic things. Yeah, you've been through right in a while and you're like I actually feel okay because I have some comfort and support and that Makes it okay. Yeah, and that that is.
Speaker 2:That that is what's good about life. That is what's right about life is is loving and caring. You are, you are your brother's keeper, you, you are responsible for the welfare of the people around you. We all are, and we we find that hard to believe in this day and age, but it is. The most satisfying and fulfilling part of the human experience Is giving yourself on behalf of another. That's why. That's why a true, a true marriage Is is so rewarding, because you're constantly giving of yourself to another, who is constantly giving themselves to you, and it's this union that builds. It's not perfect, obviously, there's two humans involved, but it's, it's a perfect example. It was perfect. No, it wouldn't be fun at all, all right, there's no makeup.
Speaker 1:The makeup part is good.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, for sure yeah just don't do it too often every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right. So anyways, the message go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yesterday, uh, I was referred a potential business opportunity.
Speaker 1:And this person happens to be a mason from Ohio. He's never been to a lodge in florida, okay, but I'm, we're aware now that we're both masons and unfortunately, I'm in a room full of non-masons so we can't keep going. I'm in a room full of non-mason so we can't geek out or anything, right, right, but at the end of it, at the end of the whole meeting, he's, he slips up and he's like the conversation turned towards that he's trying to make his company a good, a force for good in in the world and he wants to get back to charity. And we have the masonic conversation in front of these people who, many of them, think weird things about free mason because I don't clarify it to anybody.
Speaker 1:Uh, I keep it to myself and this podcast even in my own company. But they see me dressing up and they're like wow, some weird, this guy's a weird. So, now there's another one that he's never met and they're observing. And this guy's saying what we say every day and he's from Ohio never stepped foot in the lodge in florida. No way. We've ever communicated. We don't even share the same system of government, but he's like the sole purpose I have in this world is to connect and help other people.
Speaker 1:Right to make their lives a little better. And in doing that it makes my life better. And when the time comes, when I need help, I'm gonna have so much of it and this is the purpose of humanity. And then I say I love it. I love what you said and I add to it and we're speaking the same language, that's the language of free masonry. It really is right.
Speaker 1:It's a compassion, love, connecting charity towards others. I never met him he's from a completely different jurisdiction but he's a good enough mason that he learned that from masonry right and I love what you just said.
Speaker 2:That's the language of free masonry. Yeah, cooperation, love, respect, trying to, trying to make my area of influence better than than when I found it, you know, and and make the lives of the people around me better, you know when you talk like that around a group of profane people in a profane world, you literally are a beacon of light in the darkness. Yeah, you're right, people do respond, they respond to it and they're like Whoa, this feels good.
Speaker 1:There's warms coming out of that light right, I want, I want to be around that Like this is a little you know this might save me and you draw them to you and they become interested in what the hell is this Free masonry thing. Yeah they taught these people to think this way and they feel this way and they're acting this way.
Speaker 2:Right, I want that for me and it's an organized, it's a fraternal organization of men who are trying to impact their community In a positive way by making themselves better, by making each other better, by lifting each other up and, like you said you, you're talking to a guy that you've never met, right Personally no right, You're on the phone with him and he's from ohi, he's across the country.
Speaker 1:Came into the office and you have. He's working here in florida, lives here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's been so busy hasn't been the lodge so that in a while, the commonality yeah is. Is so striking that the people in the room are like whoa, whoa, they know what.
Speaker 1:We've never met, but we're speaking the same language.
Speaker 2:I love that, the language of major beautiful language to speak in the world. So that's, that's a good segue to stop right there. And and the question we would ask you guys listening is are you speaking the language of masonry?
Speaker 1:Yeah, not just in the lodge, not just your brothers, not to look like you're the best mason in the room. Yeah, I would out in the world around, non mason. It's right. It's hard to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's right, and, and, and I would just say to my masonic brothers you know, um, you know what, what are your motivations? What, what are, what is your motivation to whatever it is you're trying to do, whether inside the lodge or outside the lodge, you know, are you speaking that language? Are you speaking words of life, um, words of healing, or are you just trying to get your own way? Are you just trying to build your own empire? Do your own thing, change everything you know because you know better than everybody else? Well, maybe, maybe you should slow down, um, and and, and. Just just take a, take a look in the mirror and ask yourself that question Are my words words of life and words of healing?
Speaker 2:or are my or are they words of self preservation? Um, and trying to do my own thing.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the language, the word the world is teaching us to speak. Yeah, that's right and we have to like learn a second language a second language. Which should be our natural language, but we grew up in this Other one right and we have to learn to speak this language, because it's the true, nature, natural language that we should yeah, I mean always have been speaking, but yeah, we were basically domesticated.
Speaker 2:We were domesticated cats.
Speaker 1:Man like an animal we got domesticated, and now we do. You know what they want us to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, which is hate each other and stay distracted and keep buying things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man Not, not to find some happiness in this broken place that we live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it, I love it. That's a great, the great place to stop um. Well, brother, another great show. We finished.
Speaker 1:Uh, the um, the fellowcraft, uh, lecture, at least what we're going to give you on what we could do it.
Speaker 2:Please, please, please, get your Florida masonic monitor, or Equivalent, based on where you are at, what state you're at, and please read it. Please read the lecture, study the lecture, know these lectures talk about it with other masons.
Speaker 2:There's so much in there. The the writing is eloquent, um, and it's it's well thought out and it will. It will spark wonderful conversations for you. It'll build you up, uh, in your masonic career, uh, and hopefully you'll take that out and you'll go speak the language of masonry to somebody who needs it and yeah, that's what this show's about.
Speaker 1:I'm not perfect, red's not perfect.
Speaker 2:We're making mistakes out here publicly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody. But we keep moving forward, we keep trying to learn from our mistakes and, most importantly, we apologize.
Speaker 2:We apologize always and I hope, I hope everybody knows that If we've said anything or done anything to offend anybody on this show, please understand we we do not claim to be perfect In any ways. We we're trying our best to to share something that we really love and that's that's our fraternal order, our fraternity Um of masonry. We love it and we want to see it prosper. We want to protect it and and we want to share as much of it as we can with as many people as we can, because we really believe that it has something to offer for this, this crumbling society.
Speaker 1:It could be the only thing that we have to save us in the future here.
Speaker 2:It could be. It could be because it it transcends all faiths and it transcends all political parties. It transcends all of those things. We could, we could Be a solution, a movement for, for individual peace and harmony, um, for, for for everyone. It it could happen.
Speaker 1:It could happen. Bring back the masonic party, come on bring back the masonic. Well, yeah, you're a first candidate, fred.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna go over real well. Yeah, I'm not. Wait, I can't be a candidate for high office. I'm not 80 years old yet.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, you got to wait till you're 82 season. You up a little and yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, that's it for me. What about you, chris? What do you got? Send us out really interested.
Speaker 1:Grandmaster visits tonight. Yes can't wait to welcome most worshipful glenn bishop and his grand Line into our, our little shrine here. Yeah, that's gonna be real exciting. Uh, I can tell you that I just had a text during the podcast with most worshipful foster. Yes, we are set to record with him next Friday morning at 7 30 am All right, all right, excellent. Not next week but the week after we'll finally have most worshipful fosters podcast. Oh, that's great.
Speaker 2:That's great. Now he won't be at tonight's thing.
Speaker 1:No, he's not okay tonight.
Speaker 2:All right, I uh that's that's okay. So that's exciting news.
Speaker 1:Thanks guys, that was an awesome interview.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a great guy, so excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to get another chance to bring his voice to the world man. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:He's one of our heavy hitters man, so we're we're excited to get him back. Most worshipful foster, thank you in advance.
Speaker 1:For what is going to be being very patient with us.
Speaker 2:We most appreciate it and, uh, yeah, I look forward to doing it and I look forward to hearing it. So, all right, all right, guys. So, um, any questions, comments, anything at all, please just just email us straight up If you don't like what you're hearing, if you feel like we've said something that is not you know, that's not right or that maybe you we should talk about. We're always open to talk to anybody out there who feels that we have done them any kind of wrong or harm. We're 100 transparent here, man. We're not trying to harm anybody.
Speaker 2:We're trying to protect the fraternity that we love, and we hope you are too. So well, uh, like, I'm trying to trying to come up with my parting shot, and so far it's this now that you've heard what you heard, go back to your lodge and build it strong, brother.