Embark with us on a profound exploration of the hidden ties that Freemasonry weaves through America's canvas, from the towering Washington Memorial to the cornerstone of our nation's capital. Our special guest, Brother Jonathan Greene, joins us in dissecting the often overlooked impact of Masonic philosophy on the very framework of our society, and why this isn't a staple in our educational curriculum. We'll unravel the enigmatic influence of the Freemasons on the founders, and how their legacy continues to shape the discourse in realms of religion, science, and politics.
Venture further into a candid reveal of personal transformation and the strength found within self-discipline. My own battle and triumph over diabetes and hormonal imbalances showcases the sheer potency of diet and critical thinking. Together with Brother Green, we tackle the compelling allure of Masonic rituals and the esoteric, contemplating the opportune moments one should seek to deepen their Masonic journey, like the pursuit of the Scottish Rite.
As we gaze into Freemasonry's horizon, we discuss the vital strides necessary to ensure its enduring legacy. Learn about the innovative marketing reimbursement program from the Grand Lodge and how it's setting the stage for Freemasonry's leap into the digital age, with smart strategies that resonate with the next generation. We close with a heartfelt reflection on personal legacies, and the poignant reminder of our duty to impart wisdom to future generations, a philosophy deeply rooted in Masonic tradition.
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Embark with us on a profound exploration of the hidden ties that Freemasonry weaves through America's canvas, from the towering Washington Memorial to the cornerstone of our nation's capital. Our special guest, Brother Jonathan Greene, joins us in dissecting the often overlooked impact of Masonic philosophy on the very framework of our society, and why this isn't a staple in our educational curriculum. We'll unravel the enigmatic influence of the Freemasons on the founders, and how their legacy continues to shape the discourse in realms of religion, science, and politics.
Venture further into a candid reveal of personal transformation and the strength found within self-discipline. My own battle and triumph over diabetes and hormonal imbalances showcases the sheer potency of diet and critical thinking. Together with Brother Green, we tackle the compelling allure of Masonic rituals and the esoteric, contemplating the opportune moments one should seek to deepen their Masonic journey, like the pursuit of the Scottish Rite.
As we gaze into Freemasonry's horizon, we discuss the vital strides necessary to ensure its enduring legacy. Learn about the innovative marketing reimbursement program from the Grand Lodge and how it's setting the stage for Freemasonry's leap into the digital age, with smart strategies that resonate with the next generation. We close with a heartfelt reflection on personal legacies, and the poignant reminder of our duty to impart wisdom to future generations, a philosophy deeply rooted in Masonic tradition.
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Hey, chris, yeah, fred, what's a Mason?
Speaker 2:That's a really good question, fred.
Speaker 1:You've reached the internet's home for all things masonry. Join Chris and I as we plumb the depths of our ancient craft, from the common gavel to the trowel. Nothing is off the table, so grab your tools and let's get to work. This is On the Level. Well, chris, we are back. Yeah, this is day three, day two, of our trip to DC. Where are we at? Where are we? Who are we? It's Saturday, saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2:This is the last day. This is the last day we're about to go to the installation of Potomac Lodge number five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to see the gavel, the gavel presentation.
Speaker 2:Washington's gavel will be there.
Speaker 1:We'll be there. We will be there with the gavel. That's awesome. Hey, we just came back from the Washington Memorial.
Speaker 2:What'd you think?
Speaker 1:I was, wow, impressed. We'll be posting some pictures of the actual facility, the grounds and everything. What an impressive place, man. I was blown away. You walk up to it and the building, the mount, the building and everything is so impressive. And then you walk into that first hall and you're just like you're speechless. Absolutely, I was speechless, which is very rare for me Very rare, I was absolutely speechless. And then the more you tour it, the more it becomes just more and more and more.
Speaker 2:It never stops. It is a memorial to his Masonic life, so you see all of it. I brought my wife there a few years ago and she was like shocked that they don't teach any of that part of his life in school.
Speaker 1:Right, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:She's like how have I never, ever my whole life, heard of Washington, washington, washington, my whole life, but I never once heard any of this.
Speaker 1:Right, how, how? I'm like I don't know, I don't know either. I don't know because it's right here you can see.
Speaker 2:This man was incredibly, and many of the founders were just as tied to Freemasonry as he was.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, the whole town was, the whole town was, the whole colony was, Is still.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it was it was very Masonic, that was a. It was a huge part of daily life, you know, and our, our founders, were very much united, you know, in the fraternity of Freemasonry. Man and I, I, I to answer your question blown away speechless, what a beautiful monument, you know, to our first president and to Masonry and his, his career in Masonry. So we've got a lot of stuff. We're trying our best to to to produce as much as we can while we're here.
Speaker 2:It's hard. There's like how many 50 Masons or something up here. Right, we're all in one hotel, everybody. There's some playing things, yeah, Other people are running in different directions, doing things Right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, but you know, when we went up to the Memorial Washington Memorial we just happened to have breakfast with a brother that we met, like the day before.
Speaker 1:Right, right, yeah, no, that was a capital.
Speaker 2:Yesterday capital.
Speaker 1:You talking about capital.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, at the capital cafeteria.
Speaker 2:We were having lunch and we ended up with Fred, was very happy to be in the capital building.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was just a ray of sunshine the whole time. Sorry, it was not my favorite place, loved everything about the place. We just don't don't agree with nothing that those guys do anymore over there so they don't do much. They certainly don't do their job anymore, but that's a whole different story.
Speaker 2:But yes.
Speaker 1:I'll spare everyone my, my political banter on that end of it. But yeah, so I was glad that finally we ended up at the cafeteria. We were having lunch.
Speaker 2:Finally, we did.
Speaker 1:And we. We ended up having a great conversation, Sure.
Speaker 2:With the new brother that you just met.
Speaker 1:And the conversation was just one of those on the level with Fred and Chris, kind of conversations, where we were talking about stuff that most people don't want to talk about. We were we were touching on religion and science and politics, more than touching on religion.
Speaker 1:We were just digging deep, man, and we were just just over lunch. We do this all the time. This is what the show is all about being able to communicate what we believe, why we believe, with gentleness and respect, with a view to the other person's. You know thoughts and ideas, man, and because that's what you know, if Masons are anything. That's that's what we need to be. We need to be able to communicate what we believe, why we believe it, to each other and to the world, without fighting, arguing, harming anybody and growing we don't make progress unless we challenge the establishment.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah, we, that's right. I remind in society to challenge the establishment. That's how progress gets made.
Speaker 1:We are anti left versus right ideology, man. There is no. There is no left versus right. People have different opinions, people have different ideas, but all of it is based on we are human beings here on this planet and we're all walking in the same direction and if we are Masons, we should know better.
Speaker 1:We're supposed to know better, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard of conversation and conduct, and that was very much on display at that cafeteria at the Capitol building probably the first time since George Washington walked its halls, in my opinion. But it was an open conversation about many different things and the brother we're talking about is sitting right. His name is Jonathan Green.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and he is here with us today. Jonathan, how are you doing, brother? How are we doing, fellas? We're good, we're very good. Thank you for having me. It's a great honor.
Speaker 2:No hey it's a great honor. You didn't even know existed until yesterday. It couldn't be that great of an honor. Yeah, I know, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Fairness, I've been raised for about 15 minutes, right, Okay. What time is it? You're about a year, right?
Speaker 1:Six months, six months yeah, you know there are brothers. We come across brothers all the time where you know you see, there, you talk about where they're at and what they're doing in Masonry and we're thinking in our heads this guy's been at it five years, this guy's been at it six years, six years. And Jonathan's one of those guys. You know he's been at it five minutes and he's already down through the line. He's already researched and learned so much.
Speaker 2:It ain't the years, it's the miles, that's right, yeah. And the passion, and the passion.
Speaker 1:And that's one thing you have. You have a real passion for the craft. Yeah, it struck us for sure. So tell us a little bit about first your kind of, your personal background. I know you do a lot with statistics, military man, a military man. Give us kind of a quick overview of who are you man, and where you come from.
Speaker 3:Well, sure, so I mean, my interest in Masonry goes back a long way. My grandfather was a South Carolina Mason, okay, and a Scottish Wright Mason.
Speaker 2:Do you know where? In South Carolina?
Speaker 3:Yeah, James Island.
Speaker 1:Wow, so we pronounce that South Carolina.
Speaker 3:He was the fire chief on James Island for 30 years.
Speaker 1:Wow, no kidding Okay.
Speaker 3:Very, very prominent Mason, and so, as a result, I've been Loosely interested in esoterica since I was a teenager, you know okay. Just the symbols that I see on his walls and stuff sort of led me to Read about that. But just who I am, you know I have an MBA, I have a master's in statistics, so I'm a marketing consultant, specifically paid traffic consultant. So I run Facebook ads for people right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and obviously I have a couple of graduate degrees, so I researched for funsies, basically right, that's cool and obviously you've done a considerable amount of research regarding the craft, and some of the esoteric Rabbit trails that you've gone down have really paid some dividends as far as learning and education goes. I I saw that yesterday during our conversation, man, it was really really deep, it was awesome.
Speaker 2:And it was a it's fun to talk about a lunch conversation.
Speaker 3:He's done some research. Yes, I've been a seminary so I have a perspective. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1:Johnny, johnny, johnny just showed up, johnny, how are you Johnny Schaefer? Johnny Schaefer, our show sponsor and now he'll just drop the mic if we give him a mic. Don't give Johnny a mic.
Speaker 2:He'll just drop the mic. This is our three ruffians representative. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Show sponsor and cigars, all right.
Speaker 2:Anyway, you're a cigar Fistionado, I'm a big cigar. Yeah, we're curious to try some of these.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we actually um brother, Christian Keeper. Yeah and James Vick started. I don't know if they started it, but certainly they introduced me to the brothers of the white ash. Uh-huh, I've heard of them, thank you, which is, I think it's something they're interested in proliferating. So wow, it's oh, white ash, it's like it's like a very loose opinion body where we just go smoke cigars pretty much.
Speaker 1:I love that, right, yeah, we actually made a Shrine, a unit.
Speaker 2:It's the unit, shrine unit. Yeah, it's the three ruffians the cigar and whiskey and whiskey unit at Sarasota Sahib shrine. There's some white ash in there.
Speaker 1:There's some white ash going on in there and of course we kind of went dark because of the holidays and stuff. So we're coming, we're coming here pretty close to January's coming up on us. Soon We'll fire it back up. The same idea To just bring people together, you know, masons together, for you know, premium cigars, whiskey, to sit down and talk and the conversations we're hoping will always go the way our conversation went, you know down. You know down those roads, educational and just getting people to think, man, we don't think in this country anymore. And you know, I just I have a little tolerance anymore for people who espouse all of these opinions and then you ask them questions about it and they don't know, they can't give me any real answers, you know.
Speaker 3:I think most people toe whatever philosophy was handed down to them. Right, it's like sports from their parents. I was born in Buffalo.
Speaker 2:So I have to be a bills fan, right, right, right, which you know as long as it wasn't Philadelphia, I think that's fine. I totally agree with that Johnny little shot and yeah, yeah. So if any other town, you're fine, but if you're yeah you should abandon that team.
Speaker 1:I mean no, just kidding John. Johnny would rather die. He doesn't have a mic. Johnny doesn't have a mic.
Speaker 2:It's not fair.
Speaker 1:We didn't set up a mic because we're interviewing Jonathan Green, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I don't mind sharing.
Speaker 2:No, I do do people call you Johnny.
Speaker 3:No, almost everyone calls me Jonathan.
Speaker 1:Jonathan, yeah, oh well, you're a big guy, so they call you what you want them to call you, because they don't want you to Over the head.
Speaker 2:You're a little John. Yeah, little John right, yeah, it's always.
Speaker 3:And we'll call him big John, larger like when I took my inner-deprentice degree, I was 385 pounds.
Speaker 2:Wow, and you're like 645.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'm 295 now, so I've lost.
Speaker 1:Okay, wow, 90 pounds. What's the reason for that? Well, tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3:Well, my health was just terrible, uh-huh. I was type 2 diabetic and my a1c was like 11.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's bad. I'm crazy, that's very bad. Wow, how old are you, I'm 43. Okay, yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 3:So I lost 95 pounds and now my a1c is 5.6 5.6 is acceptable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah what'd you do? Just eat a little better. Eat a lot better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, eat a lot better, but also, you know you have to go get the panels done because you have to do my testosterone was a hundred.
Speaker 2:That's low.
Speaker 3:Yeah, real low, and I had Hashimoto's, which is thyroiditis. Right, yeah, and I wasn't eating badly and I was like, why am I not losing any weight, or why isn't this happening for me? Well, you know, I'm insulin resistant right.
Speaker 1:Hashimoto's and so right once I go hand-in-hand there. They feed off each other, that's right.
Speaker 3:And once I got that taken care of it, you know I was just continuing to do what I've always done and I just lost a whole bunch of weight.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly when, once insulin is lowered and stabilized, then you can lose weight. You cannot lose weight in the presence of insulin. It's just it's that's a hormone that causes you to store fat when insulin is high, because that's one of the safety mechanisms that it was was designed into our bodies. You know, I was a type 2 diabetic a decade ago and I was in bad shape I mean, I'd be dead today and I made a decision to change that and I worked really hard to overcome it, and I did now. This last year Chris and I were talking about this just recently. This last year I've let it go. My a1c was 4.4.7, 4 yeah, it was very low and all my numbers straight across the board. I had the blood work of a 35 year old is what I was told, a healthy 35 year old and I worked hard at it. This last year I kind of let it go.
Speaker 1:So this new year I'm one of those guys that makes New Year's resolution and actually keeps them, so apparently that's that's not the trend. So this year I'm going to do the same. I'm gonna jump back into my program and I get myself back in health too, because when I'm, when I'm eating right and exercising right. I'm unstoppable man. I am absolutely Unstoppable, and this has been a stoppable year for this old man, so I'm gonna get back to that. I don't know how I got down that rabbit trail, so share a little bit. What do you, what are you passionate about with regard to our, to our craft man, we're what you're a young Mason. So tell us kind of where. What's your vision? What do you want to do in masonry?
Speaker 3:I'm not really sure what I want to do yet as far as you know along, to like a 20 year plan or something I don't really know. I can tell you right now I really enjoy the esoteric aspects of the. Okay, I love a ritual. So the degrees, the three degrees of the blue lodge, have been Like breadcrumbs for me, to empower me to research and just go down the rabbit hole right. Which, which I do with great zeal, you know I just.
Speaker 3:I love that sort of stuff so I'm fun at parties. You know I have a whole bunch of like masonic fun facts just from. The research that I've been able to do so far. But I reckon pretty, pretty short order I'm gonna have to get into the Scottish ride or something. Okay where I'm gonna get fairly bored.
Speaker 2:I would recommend that's where you go first, yeah after your first year.
Speaker 1:I've always heard it say do a year, blue lodge one year, don't do anything wait until you're out of the progressive line or might be another good decision.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll be very busy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because right, or, or or. Dedicate yourself to getting your cards.
Speaker 2:He's got to build up a lodge. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know members, yeah.
Speaker 2:I need to do three ea's a month for yeah, a long time, before you bring that thing around my my masonic mentor is Lynn with Thomas, whom some of your listeners will know.
Speaker 3:Yep, he's involved with MLT and his own level and I think he's probably gonna get a promotion here shortly, and so you know, he's a he's driven me To be very conscientious about that sort of thing and dividing my time and, yeah, paying attention and being present, you know, and right myself to think, yeah, yeah very easy to do that in masonry.
Speaker 2:There's just so many interesting things. You just like Because I just wanted all the degrees. That was my thing when I joined. I just want to see all the degrees because I'm tired of my wife's family telling me oh, you didn't get all the degrees, so that's where their reptile people live in the right, right, yeah, fine, I'll get them all and then you won't you know. So I got them all and lo and behold, there's no baby eating Satanism and any of the degrees.
Speaker 1:Keeps coming back to good men trying to be better. Hmm, yeah, what's the secret? Well, that's the secret. We're trying to help each other be better men, sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:So we you talked a little bit about and you mentioned it, chris that, um, you are, you're, you're coming into a lodge that's going to need some young, some new young blood, and it's gonna need some people to get in line and start making their way through every lodges in that, every lodges in that and and everybody who ends up in that situation begins to meet with resistance along the way.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely because we talk about it all the time. The old guard and the new guard, they it's, it's, it's. There's this process of you know of, of of giving way and and there sometimes there's a, there's a resistance. You know, along the way I know, chris, you went, you went through some of that along your way, just a little bit a little bit, yeah, and we know other brothers.
Speaker 2:We talked to other brothers. I've never stopped. There's always resistance there always is there, always will be sure but it's like you have to get some Winds under your belt. Yeah, go swinging for the fences. You got to get to first base, Okay. I get the second base.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that analogy.
Speaker 2:You'll, you'll, you'll get there, but it's one step at a time. So we've been taking those steps and I'm really excited to sit with a new brother who I'm now coming out of the east and you're just getting into the line right, I feel like we have similar backgrounds from a marketing perspective. Also similar thinking about the craft in general, both extremely zealous. And I'm like thinking in my mind, man, I thought I would have made it easier for someone like you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would, I'm really sad to hear that it's you're still meeting the same Resistances I met three years ago, four years ago, well.
Speaker 3:I'm suffering from ignorance like I didn't. I didn't know that you guys were out there doing this and had I known, I would Come to you before I started trying to push my agenda Right, because you have already done, and not for nothing, bringing you into the lodge and having you show the brothers that, look, what this man Is talking about is going to pay dividends. Right, we're doing it, it is working.
Speaker 2:You've been talking about it. They just see that other lodges have done it and you're.
Speaker 1:You're telling them things they don't want to hear, like, for instance, you know, the average age is this, and I told you this story earlier. The average age is this and these are the guys, and if you don't make changes by this time, next ten years, there won't be a lodge here anymore and they just They'll believe it. You can show them the numbers and they'll agree with the numbers and then they'll look at you and say why?
Speaker 2:so Right, a lot of people have this idea in their mind, if it's always been here and it'll always be here right, yeah, we don't need to do any actual work. It'll be fine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, let's let's get into it. Shall me, can we just discuss, like the modality of communication right. The way that human beings interact. Yeah has vastly evolved over the last 20 years in particular.
Speaker 2:He certainly has.
Speaker 3:Freemasonry was always spread through the nuclear family and the backyard barbecue and these sort of modality. Bumper sticker in the bumper stick and these things just don't exist anymore, right, you know. And so if we continue to try to leverage the same sorts of activities to grow the crafts, we're gonna continue to get the same result, which is what a roughly 10% year over year decline in membership.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's, it's accelerating, but yeah it's, it's not great. We are not. We are not replacing the brothers who are passing. Right or committing or demitting. We're not, we're not at, we're not even at zero yet. We got a fight to get to zero and none of that is said disrespectfully, you know.
Speaker 3:No all due respect to the men who have Dedicated a lifetime to growing and sustaining the crowd. For sure, absolutely. But now we're dealing with generations that that don't even communicate in the same way. They don't even have the same Predispositions towards community that we're used to no yeah and so if you want to engage them, you really the impetus is upon you to Do it on their terms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. Chris and I did a symposium in Hillsboro last year Together and one of the themes that we, that we did, that we talked about was the future now a freemasonry, now what. That was the whole thing and and it was it was, you know, the questions we asked of the group because everyone Was each on some historical right and some cool things some guy did in the past and we're, and we're jumping to the future.
Speaker 2:Hold on a second we're here, we're alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah mason's.
Speaker 2:What are we doing? Yeah, what are we doing, like these guys did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the question that we asked was was do you care if your lodges here in 20 years? Do you care? And and we could see now the brothers at Hillsboro are solid. Shout out to a worstful Carol man solid lodge, solid people, and, and they get it.
Speaker 1:And I could see it on their faces when we said that I I do want my lodge to be here in 20 years. And then the second part of the question is well, what are you doing today to make that a reality? Right, and then we talked about. You know that the, the, the bumper sticker and billboard of the modern age is Facebook. You know we talk about these, the billboards. You know spending thousands of dollars on billboards, which is old-school, top-of-mind consciousness advertising. I used to be a part of that. I'm an old man, I'm old-school marketer. I remember those days it worked. It used to work because we didn't have the internet, we didn't have access like we do today, and that was our concept like we grew up watching ABC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two channel, nine, three channels bro.
Speaker 2:My son and my kids grew up watching YouTube. People.
Speaker 1:Oh right, yeah, and watch television right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, other people on YouTube doing things right that was, that was their entertainment. Yeah it's totally changed. Everything has changed, yeah, how we communicate the, how we receive entertainment, how we even work. I'm getting notifications on my watch now, right right, I could look at a website on my watch while we're having a conversation. Like things are different now, yeah to do with locus of attention.
Speaker 3:If you think about the, the way in which people engage with their environment, right, you know, some of these outdated modalities, like outdoor or radio or television, just don't work the way that they used to. And I get the predisposition to be present in the idea that we want to be present and available at top of mind when people are, you know, doing whatever. But what we need and modern Freemasonry is Conversion modality, right, you see, we need to inspire people to take a specific action, right, and if you're, if you're in your car and you're driving down the street and you see that billboard, even if you're in a good mood and you're not preoccupied, you don't have the modality, you the ability, in that moment no to engage with the content and take a desired action where, and nothing.
Speaker 2:It's expensive. So now we're not your car while you're looking for a pen.
Speaker 1:So you write it on your hand even if you drive by it on your way to work every day, it's good. Yeah, I need to do that. Yeah, I need to do that.
Speaker 3:after a while it's like, yeah, you don't even see it anymore right and it's expensive for what it is yeah, so now we're paying two grand a month to have a billboard up which which stone cold, nobody can engage with right and you know, never measure just to give you an idea as a digital marketer, as a paid traffic consultant, I can generate, I you know, meaningful video views for two cent.
Speaker 3:Right, so like if you give me a three zip codes that surround your lodge, I can absolutely saturate that market with video impressions of meaningful conversations, right About what are men doing in masonry, how is masonry affecting the community, how is it affecting the individual man, right, and I can do that for about two cent per impression, which is to say hundreds of thousands of impressions in a modality where people are predisposed to engage.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Right and take action, and so that's. I really think we're we're doing some of the wrong things, which is a surprise to absolutely no one at this table, right.
Speaker 1:I'm preaching to you. No, no, you're. You are where we were a year and a half ago, right, and this is beautiful. This works out. Great Timing me I hold to Providence. Their timing is providential.
Speaker 2:Some progress. So the Grand Lodge has their own marketing reimbursement program.
Speaker 1:Which we are members of the committee.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for this coming year. I'm dying to hear more about that. Yeah, you will.
Speaker 2:I'll give you the elevator pitch right now. So you do a lead generation ad using your Facebook's page. Use a lead form yeah, okay, that's it. Use the video to capture the attention Right, a quick 30 second video. You target the demographic, you target the radius yeah and you run that ad and it costs about two to three dollars for the leads that you generate. And then you call those guys, pre-qualify them, have them come to the lodge If they're interested in learning more, which they are, because they saw the video and they clicked it and they gave you their information and you sit and talk with them and the purpose of that is to see if you want them in your lodge.
Speaker 2:Imagine that.
Speaker 3:Imagine you don't have to take every guy that comes because the main argument is going to be these are crappy people.
Speaker 2:That is an argument you will get. Yes, we get it all the time when we talk about this, but we're playing the law of averages here. I had a fast grandmaster, tell me, would you co-sign a loan for this person you're bringing in? I said well, swarshville. With respect, I wouldn't co-sign a loan for my sister.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, that's a dumb question. Plus, I've seen our own grandmasters removed from the fraternity. Right so don't tell me that you can tell who's a good and a bad person from a one hour conversation.
Speaker 3:It's just judgment on them. We're going to do a background investigation. We are.
Speaker 2:We're going to do the best we can with the tools we have, but to do nothing is not an option If you have a conversation and talking about Alistair Crowley, sex magic and this is the who that? Okay, maybe I won't sign your petition, right, and you like to think about little kids too much.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to sign it. I'm not going to sign it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've gone through that, and then we'll do a background check and if you have committed a felony, you will know and you will not become a mason Right. And if you've committed any other serious crimes, the brothers need to hear about it, you need to answer for it and if it's acceptable, maybe you're good enough now. Maybe you're not.
Speaker 3:I would argue that the appropriate filtering for low quality people is not after the lead form, it's in the content, it's in what you choose to syndicate and why, and if you crap the right narratives on at the top of funnel for that right, the kind of person you want to attract will be attracted to that.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:That's right and that's the beauty of this digital age and the talents that you two have. You know to understand this and also to articulate it in a way that makes sense At least, it makes sense to me, but I've been in marketing for a long, long time as well.
Speaker 2:No, it makes sense to even people that don't have it. I think they get it. They're just fearful of it. They're fearful, yeah, and that fear is getting in the way of progress.
Speaker 1:sometimes they kind of like. It's like, sorry, I have my reputation is at stake here and I'm only here for a year, so if it doesn't work then it's kind of my fault. I don't want to do it, you know. It's like well, that's the wrong attitude.
Speaker 2:Do you think Washington would have had that attitude?
Speaker 1:Heck. No, I don't think so we're talking about as an entrepreneurial mindset.
Speaker 3:It absolutely is as opposed to an institutional and institutional mindset.
Speaker 1:You're right, that's exactly right. And that institutional mindset, you get stuck, you know. You get stuck because your bread and butter is getting to this era, this timeframe. Your bread and butter isn't producing A, b, c and D. It's the span of time. It's your one year. I got to get through this one year and as long as I can.
Speaker 1:I want to be responsible for new carpets and I want to do a new big carpet at the front entrance and maybe this, that and the other and change a few things, and if I can accomplish that then I can walk away saying that I was a good worst-of-all master.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't have enough men to you know. And where do you set the bar for success Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's like it's just. It's good that we're revisiting this entire conversation Because we're at the point now I told you this when we were at the monument we're at the point now where the system is working and we are making new masons all over the all over our district and all over the state because of the program.
Speaker 2:Now, We've got people from other jurisdictions and other countries. Other countries to do this, because they hear what we're doing and say we want to do it in England. Right yeah, we want to try this in Iowa.
Speaker 3:And we'll do continue to unpack it, because you only gave me the first piece. The top of funnel is the Facebook lead ad.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:What other apparatus do you have built around this? Because, look, I'm pretty good at this, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel if you're doing it Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you don't want to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 2:Take what we did and make it better. That's what you want to do, and you guys can do that.
Speaker 1:You know, lead generation is phase one, but then, like John's on the committee, he makes the phone calls.
Speaker 2:John, who Mr John Schaefer.
Speaker 1:Mr John Schaefer and he makes those phone calls and talks to the guys, meets them at the open house or the dinner and then we take it to the next level and that's the other part of it. You know we could get them to line up and make phone calls and do lead generation and we could have a hundred guys. You know you could have a hundred guys who want to talk, but if you don't have guys who know how to make the phone calls, talk to them, bring them in and get them to sit down and fill out a petition, you're still just spinning your wheel. So there's phase one, phase two, phase three phase four.
Speaker 2:You're in phase one, which is you got to do all the work.
Speaker 1:You got it right. Fortunately, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3:I'm an entrepreneur, I run my own company.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's right, you're no stranger, and that's the kind of person that needs to be in that role.
Speaker 1:And then, all of a sudden, the naysayers are so happy and they want to be. You know, they want to get credit for all the work as well.
Speaker 2:We're in phase two now, because John and you came through in through the program. Right we did, and now you're perpetually in the program you guys were actually brought in through Both of them.
Speaker 3:Both of us were yeah, wow, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, telling you we had seven, five and four groups that came through bam bam bam all at one time.
Speaker 3:You were group two and then we folded into group one.
Speaker 2:So what were?
Speaker 3:you doing with budget, like, what are you spending on this? We? Spend about $50 a month $50 a month and that generates three to four petitions.
Speaker 2:That generates three petitions a month Out of what you get about 20 leads.
Speaker 3:So you're getting a 5 to 10% conversion rate on leads. Yeah, holy crap, but you have. Why isn't the whole craft doing this?
Speaker 1:Well, it's starting, but I'm going to say it again Because you will break the lodge. You will break it, yes.
Speaker 2:If you just run this.
Speaker 1:If you turn this thing on and leave it on and you don't do any of the Phase two, phase three and phase four, you will break the lodge. You will not have enough catechism instructors. You will not have enough mentors. No, that's the problem. We had Cadillac problems coming from your perspective.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'd love to have problems like that. We get uptown problems. That's an embarrassing wealth of luxury Of problems we brought in another generation behind these guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:John is training one of them to do calls with them. Right so it's going to perpetuate itself and it's going to snowball the more you do. But it took three years of me doing the hard work myself.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's where you're at.
Speaker 3:You're going to have to do the hard work yourself for a little while You're talking, 4 or 5% of engagement to desired outcome, which is a world-class marketing outcome.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, it works like gangbusters. You know how much it costs the lodge? Zero dollars, zero dollars. It costs them nothing.
Speaker 3:Because the grand lodge reimburses the monthly budget. Right, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So this year, 2024, and that's what I was saying earlier about Providence it is not an accident that we have come to know you, brother Jonathan, because I think that this 2024 is the year that OTL on the level podcast takes this entire thing. Johnny, I'm looking at you over there because you're OTL executive producer.
Speaker 2:again, you need the mic, david.
Speaker 1:No mic for Johnny and we take this to the next level.
Speaker 2:You know, and I can see it in your eyes man, you should just sit next to the label share mic. I know you're in.
Speaker 1:We can take this thing to the next level and every single lodge in the state of Florida and beyond is going to know what this program can do and they're going to have an opportunity to say yes to it. They may not Some lodges may not choose not to, but everybody's going to get an opportunity to hear from us.
Speaker 2:The reality of this is this is what's working for us right now. This isn't going to work forever. It's going to constantly change.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. You have to be flexible to move with it.
Speaker 3:Well, you're an agency owner, so you get this, and a marketing agency owner. You probably get this in a way that most people don't.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm just going to unpack it for a second Right Go ahead.
Speaker 3:In the beginning, when you're trying to establish the efficacy of a given thing, whether it's a business offer or a new product, what you have to do is demand generation Right, and that's usually done through paid traffic, and the point is to validate the concept, right, right, but what we're talking about now? You've already validated the concept of this work, so we can extrapolate that to every lodge in Florida and we should, yeah, but beyond that, you know, as a business develops and gains notoriety and, and I dare say, preeminence, mm-hmm as you move closer to preeminence, you should be sourcing far more business or far more outcomes from organic activity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, then you are from paid activity, so that's the next level. Yeah so let me tell you what I've just done and I just love to get an opinion from some educated guys, right?
Speaker 1:All right. Well, when we find some, we'll let you know.
Speaker 2:Go ahead came here, but he's the only one here, so I built a website.
Speaker 3:It's not. It's not a let, it's not a lodge website in the way that you think okay. It's not ocean view for a calm, you know it's ocean view community calm.
Speaker 3:Okay okay, and so what I did is I aggravated or I aggregated all the events from the north side of Jacksonville onto this webpage. Then I created forums that are, you know, reviews of all the schools in the local area, all the events in the local area, all of the, you know, churches in the local area, reviews and commentary. And if you know anything about SEO which which I know I do, I know some of you do In six months time I'll own every Google query related to the north side of Jacksonville. Right, if I'm prolific about creating content and Continuing to curate all this information, which, honestly, is a suck. I'm not gonna lie. It does take three or four hours a week, you know, but yeah, and you're getting nothing out of it.
Speaker 2:Not, not yet.
Speaker 3:Yeah but if I, if I do that for enough time, I will eventually own every query related to the north side of Jacksonville. Now I skin the bottom of the website and the sidebars and the navigation menus with pre-missionary. So this website brought to you by Ocean View Lodge, number 408. Here's what freemasonry is about. Here's how you can get involved here, the particular requirements, etc.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I even went a step further and created a code or a page how to be a Mason, yeah and created a QR code, put it on the back of a business card, printed like a thousand of them, gave it to all the Brothers and said go and spread the word, right so what you've done right is the equivalency for the people that don't have a marketing degree out there, of taking your lodges table and sign out in front of every major business in your community and manned it with a Mason who's out there yelling hey, come and check out this school, it's a really good school.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, people go by and they're like they see a freemason as they walk into the school and sooner or later Someone's gonna be like, hey, who are you?
Speaker 1:What are you doing? That's essentially what they're gonna say.
Speaker 3:My dad was a freemason everybody's idea for how to get more people in the lodge was let's, let's replace the signs, and I'm thinking, all right, we're missing the point. Nothing wrong with that. We should do that. It should look excellent. You mean in the front of the lodge?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah to the extent possible. It should look excellent and of course, we're very grateful for that and it's something that we ought to do. But when you're talking about discovery, you have to go where people are nobody knows to search for you. They don't. They don't know that they're missing freemasonry from their life. They know that they're missing community and brotherhood.
Speaker 1:That was me. I.
Speaker 3:I didn't have any friends, right, I wanted friends, yeah, yeah they know that they're, that they could stand to level up their morality, become a better person, develop their character. Right but they don't know where to get that and they're not gonna search for freemasonry. Nobody's gonna type ocean view lodge 408 right, and then and then come and become a member.
Speaker 3:That just isn't how it works. No, so you have to be where they are. And where they are is what's the best school in Oceanway? What's what's the right? What's the best grocery store in Oceanway? What events are going on in on the north side of Jacksonville today? And if you can own that conversation, mm-hmm, then you win the right to inject freemasonry into it and say sure hey, by the way, now this is who's giving, who's curating this information for you. Come and find out about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And if you've already have it in your mind. If you've already have your hand up? Yeah, I would. I would be interested in more information. Well then, you bam Right soon, as soon as there there are, you got them. You got because it's already in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have Sarasota 147.org, which is a website for our lodge. We don't get a lot of petitions from the website, but what we do get are a lot of masons who have moved to our city. They're looking for freemasonry and they compare our website to the other lodges and they're like yeah, I'll, I liked your website the most and that's why they call us.
Speaker 2:And it also works where, like, people on Facebook see our ad and they say they're interested and then they check us out on the website and it kind of reaffirms that we're real. They see the pictures, they see our community stuff and it's like okay, this is safe.
Speaker 3:That's, that's modern. Yeah, I want to fact check everything and double check that you're legit the idea of a single encounter Resulting in conversion in a modern business environment is is patently false. It doesn't right in that way, yeah they're gonna find you on Facebook, then they're gonna Google your website, then they're gonna look at your Instagram and then they're gonna look you up on YouTube, Yep, and if they like what they see in all those places, then they're gonna come back to your website right.
Speaker 2:Actually, they're gonna have FOMO right. That's what you really want. Yeah, fear of missing out, right. They're like wow, I'm missing out on all this fun stuff that's happening around me. Right, right, yeah be doing this stuff.
Speaker 3:So the way to do this is to tell stories. Not don't, don't even market freemasonry, don't even talk about the benefits of the crap. Tell stories of the brothers who are out there engaging in the community. Right, having an impact. Yeah, you know, this changed my life. I saved my marriage, I leveled up my character. I I helped a hundred kids get shoes for school. Yeah, what is the impact on the community? That stuff is compelling. People want to engage with stories. They want you know. Yeah, that's how you create FOMO really true?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they want what other people have yeah, well, and because they don't have it, you know, and that's, that's what they're looking for it.
Speaker 2:And again, if there are some common themes because we, john and I, have talked to thousands of people interested in masonry. At this point, fair to say, he's shaking his head. Yes, he doesn't have a mic, by the way.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna keep telling that but there are some common themes. One of them is people want to be around good people, right, and they don't find out in the world. They don't find it in the traditional institutions that we have in our societies. They don't find it in their church, the way they used to. They don't have it in like social clubs that they used to have. So the they know that in through our ads that we're running. That's one of our common themes is that you want to be a better person. You want to be around good people. The only way it can be better is to be around people better than you.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, yeah, so what are you actually using?
Speaker 2:for video creative. So the northern's jurisdiction of the Scottish right has produced some really high quality videos.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, I've actually put all of them out on our Facebook page already.
Speaker 2:You're familiar with those like three or four. There's long versions and short versions. Yeah, it's really good, we use the short versions and we customize the beginning of the video with like free masonry in Sarasota. Okay, so you just you slap the bookends on it and then at the end it's our lodge contact info. Yeah, yeah, easy high quality very professional and it hits all the themes of brotherly love, right, being being a better man and being part of something bigger than just targeting.
Speaker 3:Is just zip code targeting? No, it's a radius around the lodge males of we.
Speaker 2:we go a little older because it's hard for guys it's just out of high school or in college right to be to engage.
Speaker 3:So we go like 25 to 65 plus 25 mile radius around a singular zip code, or so that depends on the lodge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're in a pretty densely populated city, sarasota, and there are four lodges if we go in right five mile radius, which is okay. We've sent mason's to every one of those lodges right. You just have to behave conscientiously with whatever I mean whatever leads you were mason's. Masons and if you live closer to that lodge and you work closer to that lodge, let me give you that master's number, because I think you'll really like this.
Speaker 1:And that fosters that fosters a lot more Unity between the lodges as well.
Speaker 3:You make a lot of friends in the district that way.
Speaker 2:You do Well, and then I'm responsible for him, I want to be at his degree right and I have now a relationship with him too. That that means something to the person, because nowhere else in society does anyone care about you. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think it would be really nice to be successful in my particular lodge but raising the tide for all lodges.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:It's just you got to get the small win. They see you win and then they want to know, and then you can finally get somebody in their lodge to do the same thing and you can help them. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, we got. We got 12 minutes left.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:That's right we we got a mower here we got a monkey suit up and we got to get over to Potomac number five, and we got to be on time Because we are going to be there for an installation and the gavel presentation. So, um, yes, I think there's a big after party too, and there's a little bit of an after party thing. I'm not sure what that's all about.
Speaker 1:You know me and parties, but anyway, um so brother give us kind of um, what's, uh, what's the future for you? What do you? What are you? What are you looking for here? I mean, I know we talked about marketing the universe but that's I mean personally. What are you other than taking over the universe? Which?
Speaker 2:is what we're trying to do as well.
Speaker 1:Yes, take over the world. All men will kneel before him. I just keep thinking of pinky in the brain every time you do that, man.
Speaker 2:Which one?
Speaker 1:am I pinky or am I the brain?
Speaker 2:Johnny, what am I? Am I pinky? He doesn't have a mic, he cannot tell you, cannot talk.
Speaker 1:Good, yeah, he said you're pinky Anyway, um, uh, so, so kind of give it to you. Get us out of here, man, as a, as a new mason passionate for the craft. Where are you going? What are you going to do when you get back on Monday, or back to your lodge next time? What's? What are you taking away from all this?
Speaker 3:Well, we got stated communication on Tuesday. Yeah, the very first thing that I have to do is go in there and start making an argument for them to release these funds. Yeah so I can do this marketing reimbursement thing.
Speaker 1:It's so, that's your passion right now. That's, that's what you're focusing on look.
Speaker 3:My passion is for the craft to be perpetuated and developed.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:It's been so. It's such a beautiful windfall of just, you know, guidance and character development for me that I want to perpetuate it in any way that I can, and this is what.
Speaker 1:I'm gifted at this is what absolutely absolutely right.
Speaker 3:And so, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail right? All right, so I'm gonna get started hammering in some nails to the extent that I'm able to right so. But I don't know, man. I think I have a future here, like I seem to be Able to know you definitely, definitely do.
Speaker 2:So we didn't attend a dinner last night, bad on us, but I hear you that you got randomly tapped to do a Toast in front of all the brothers, the Grandmaster, future Grandmasters. And you rose to the occasion, from what I heard, unprepared.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for saying that. That's very kind of you. I'll tell you what I said, since we have a few that would be great.
Speaker 1:We do have a few minutes left.
Speaker 3:It's paraphrasing, but what I said was we visited Arlington National Cemetery yesterday. Yeah, that's great and later reef at the tomb of the unknown soldier and we did a drawing to see who got to participate in that, and I was just very lucky to have been selected.
Speaker 2:We we posted video on our Facebook page of you do yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:And as a Mason, it's really only been raised for half a year. It's an incredible honor to you know even be in the presence.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Grandmaster generally, but to participate in something like that and it's especially moving for me because I'm I'm on Iraq and Afghanistan veteran right. I have four or five friends that are interred in Arlington National Cemetery, so you know. One of the brothers came to me and and apparently this is a thing when Mason's dying out I didn't know because this is my first time, but there's a toast every ten minutes or every five minutes.
Speaker 1:Depending on where you're at right. Yeah, who you're?
Speaker 3:with. He comes to me and says brother, since you're the youngest Mason in the room, we'd love to have you make a toast. And I said, all right, let's do it. So I got up and what I said was you know, I want to reflect for a moment on what we did earlier at Arlington, because I have four or five friends who are interred there, who died in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know, when I was there as well, and in most cases they were much better men than me. You know, they're better men. They run faster, they're stronger, they can do more push-ups, they can, they can ruck more weight, they shoot better than me, like almost to the man. They were better than me in every conceivable way and I made it and they didn't. And you could. You could very easily go down the rabbit hole of survivors guilt and say you know, and beat yourself up for why you lived and they died. I think the better way to take it is as an indictment or or as a challenge.
Speaker 3:Be better yourself, yeah, so so now. Now I need to live in such a way that I become as good or better that you know and have the impact that they could have had throughout their lives to earn it and take that on as a mandate and shift my mindset to legacy.
Speaker 3:Okay, and then I turned around and to all the the elder brothers in the room, who was everybody, because you know, I said and and as you guys Climb through the ranks and attain all of this wisdom and accomplishment and a lot of you know Very accomplished brothers in the room who've done great things for you and as you teach me and invest time in me, you are ensuring your legacy. Yeah and then I in turn get to internalize that information and turn around and try to ensure my legacy by passing and in this way, we, we all, become grandmasters you know, yeah, and that's what I said, more or less.
Speaker 1:I mean paraphrasing right, yeah, well, it went over. Big man and I'm, so I'm. I'm not even gonna discuss how upset I am that we missed it and I'm going to continue to blame myself.
Speaker 2:Nobody's stopping you from blaming yourself. Apparently it got real quiet, but John the mic, so I don't know. Maybe. Anyways, jonathan, it has been an absolute pleasure to get to know you and meet you, brother.
Speaker 1:Like I said, this is a providential meeting. I I know we are gonna do more great things in the future, yeah, and one of the things we have the privilege to do is to give people a voice, right?
Speaker 2:And so I personally imagine that I'm going to be a great person and I'm going to be a great person. Personally, I'm careful about who we do bring on the show right. Fred's much more open than I am. He's more interested in talking to more people, but I'm very picky, yeah, and I know I realize what we are doing here.
Speaker 3:People are listening now, some people are listening. Now, a lot of people are listening.
Speaker 2:I don't want to just give anybody access to that right platform, but you know, we find someone like yourself who. You have good intentions and you have the skills to do the things you're saying and you have the passion and enthusiasm. You've already started. This is like a huge honor to us to have yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be a big shot here someday, that's right.
Speaker 2:You're. We're gonna go back to that one podcast where we introduced you to the fraternity.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. We discovered this guy and the glory will be ours. You're welcome. We're all about that. You're welcome, brother.
Speaker 2:Everything you ever do. Well, before, before we go, I want to invite you.
Speaker 1:January 13th to come down to Sarasota. So he's trying. Sarasota and come to our symposium, symposium that we're putting on. It's an eight hour day. Yeah, we have education and dinner and drinks New York will be a speaker.
Speaker 2:Juan Sepulveda will be a speaker.
Speaker 1:Daniel Molina out of Miami will be yeah about doicism and Freemason. Yeah, that's good stuff. Our keynote speaker.
Speaker 2:Correspondence with the divine is what Juan Sepulveda is talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you really enjoy it.
Speaker 2:and yeah, right, where full Talia tall is gonna be there talking about the future. Yeah, and he's doing, we're doing a it's not just them preaching, we're doing it. They do their presentation, then they sit down for 45 minutes and we do the podcast together with the audience right. The audience gets asked questions really good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll be there if you guys. Yeah, send me an invite or something, yeah yeah, you can go.
Speaker 1:You can go online and you can too listener. You can go online and On the level, friend.
Speaker 2:Right there, $50 or $50, you get all day education. You get a buffet meal which is gonna be beef mashed potatoes a good meal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna be a free drink ticket.
Speaker 2:Because is it the shrine? Because it's at the shrine.
Speaker 1:And they get they, just they got a big, beautiful, beautiful tiki hut out there with a fully stocked box after party after party with three ruffian cigars will be Absolutely and so, yeah, so Again, jonathan, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you, brother. Chris, we're on our way out again and give us something, send, send us home what's, uh, what's on your mind, man?
Speaker 2:Not that man, I'm just really happy to get to meet new brothers in the fraternity, that this kind of stuff is really special. We like when we were recording the first night, which yeah. I mean, there's brothers whose names I'd never heard right, yeah now I know them and they're my friend and they're my brother, and this is why you have to travel in Freemason.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:Can't just sit in your lodge and make that the whole of the fraternity. You gotta get out there and meet people, because that's where the magic happens. That's right, yeah, and like we came here, we met you you know you're gonna be able to do great things in the future and hopefully we can be a part of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, guys are doing it, so I'm just trying to be like you. It's a great pleasure, but don't don't try to be like us.
Speaker 1:Try to be like Johnny.
Speaker 2:Yes, don't try to be like us. Well, he is John, and, and you know that's, we say Jonathan, we say it all the time.
Speaker 1:The question that we're asking this year 2024, the question of the podcast is does Masonry have something to offer to this hurting country? And we believe it does only only many, many answers for the young man out there who doesn't know who he is, doesn't know where to go, has no men in his in his life to help him become a better man. Well, freemasonry has something to offer to you and if you're listening right now and you're curious about it, go down to your local lodge. Go, I'm gonna say it three times Go down to your local lodge. Go down to your local lodge. Go down to your local lodge and talk.
Speaker 2:I know where my local lodge is just. Google Freemason Lodge near me. Yep, that's right, see it, you'll see it go down there and tell them.
Speaker 1:A couple of knuckleheads on a podcast told me to come down here and ask you guys about three may Freemasonry don't mention us, because we want them to let you in yeah, yeah, don't.
Speaker 1:Don't say you know us All, right, yeah, don't do that, but tell them you want to know something more about, about the fraternity, and get involved and you won't regret it. I don't know of a Mason I don't know of one Mason since I've started this who who regretted the day they walk through those hallowed doors. Man and became part of this fraternity. Man, a global, a worldwide Fraternity of men. Everywhere we go in this country, everyone we talk to in this country, it's like a brother I've known for 20 years. Jonathan, I talked to you, I look at you, I talked to you. It's, it's as if we've known each other for a long, long time. Right, and that's what this is about and that's what this Offers so you all helps if you've listened, the alcohol does help.
Speaker 1:If you've listened, rubbing alcohol. If you have listened to this podcast to this point, you are a hero of our show and we really appreciate it. So Please. Johnny doesn't want to say anything.
Speaker 2:The end the end, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:All right, we we got to go put our monkey suits on and drive across DC to go to Potomac number five Installation. It's gonna be a great time tonight. Afterwards we're hoping to get back on the mic and and do some more broadcasting. I'm gonna be up for that man. I'm gonna drink me a bunch of coffee.
Speaker 2:After drinking a bunch of whiskey and, and then we are just gonna hit the mic and we're gonna go nuts oh and bring some content, so stay tuned, my friends.
Speaker 3:Maybe we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1:We're ruffian cigars to we can get some three ruffian cigars, we will definitely get into those. We've got plenty. So, anyways, we we love you guys. Man, stay, stay true to yourself and to your lodge and we will see you guys on the next one.