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Herbs to Plant and Preserve

• Anna Cash • Season 3 • Episode 106

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Welcome to the Perfectly Preserved Podcast. I'm your host Jenny Gomes. And I'm Anna Cash. Here we come together to bring you a podcast all about preserving food safely, easily, and dare I say, perfectly. At home. We are master food preservers moms wives, and we love talking about canning. ready to can like a master preserver. Let's get into today's episode.

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Welcome back to The Perfectly Preserved podcast. I'm Anna here with my co-host, Jenny. We're so excited to be with you today because we have a very special episode all about herbs in the garden and why you should really be growing herbs, why you should be dehydrating or freezing. But first of all, thank you so much for those of you that have. Downloaded the podcast who are sharing it online. We absolutely love that and appreciate it. If you have not yet left us a rating and review, please do that at the purple icon wherever you listen to your podcast episodes. We love speaking. If you are interested in having Jenny and I come to speak at your event, please let us know. We are. Absolutely thrilled to talk about any type of preservation in any settings, so just keep that in mind when you are in those settings. Alright, Jenny, why don't you start us off? I am excited for this episode. This is gonna be so great.

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Okay, so before we hit record, we were talking about herbs and

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so before we could record, we.

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easy Are to preserve

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and

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useful they

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how easy they're to preserve Preservation.

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out there may not know that Anna is

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Those of you out there may not know that Anna is also a master gardener.

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I was raised with

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I'm a novice gardener. I was raised with a family garden, but

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big garden myself,

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I've never had

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learning from Anna.

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a very big garden myself, so I'm learning and learning from Anna.

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use

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Anna that the way that I use herbs

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At least

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on the regular as.

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use herbs in my baking, which seems so strange. Or

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herbs in my thinking, which seems so strange, or Anna said she that was a little bit unusual maybe. And I guess you guys

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but,

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let us know this is how you use herbs or not. But I'm a big fan of my bread machine. I love.

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so helpful in helping me

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I think they're so helpful in helping me make more homemade bake things,

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once a week I

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very often, probably once a week

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in the bread

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I will use all,

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let it

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the ingredients,

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I'll go out

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I'll

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with one pair of

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let it get started mixing all, go out with one pair,

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And like

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Rosemary,

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are going crazy, so

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and

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walk back in, give them a rinse, and then just stand over the

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Just

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machine

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walk back in, give them a rinse, and then just stand over the bread machine while it's mixing

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of

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and just snip off

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herb,

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little itty bitty snips

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then

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of those herbs

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into

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whatever, herbs, whatever it was. I just grabbed right that

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so

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into the dough and it just makes the bread dough

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I end up

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so flavorful.

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making

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It makes it so that whatever I end up putting on it.

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pizzas,

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I'm making like aone or like I'll make pizza like two pieces for my family. Or

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I did this a lot

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sometimes I do bread and twist.

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we were gonna

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If we're going, I did this a lot during like football, we watch,

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just, it would just be the

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make,

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basically.

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And then.

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makes it so flavorful. It just really makes it

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so flavorful. It just really makes it

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super easy.

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a lot better and

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I don't know if everyone

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super easy.

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putting their Sauce, like

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I dunno if everyone else has just put their herbs in the, and I have never done that. I don't know. I guess when I was doing sourdough I would do what's called inclusions and I would add things like nuts or seeds or whatever. And sometimes I would do rosemary, but like I never think about putting it in my pizza dough. And that's so smart, especially fresh herbs because it imparts so much great flavor.

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I honestly was surprised. I was like, dang, that made that a lot better. And it's better than, or more

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A lot better than, or more flavorful than

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It's more

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if I,

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than.

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before they.

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it's good in the sauce. The sauce is good, but the sauce

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Good in the sauce. The sauce is good,

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The

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but the sauce is not all throughout. The tomato sauce is just on the surface. Yeah. So I feel like in terms of just making the whole

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the

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of the bread

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is very

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better, the herb inclusion is very good.

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Just something I think

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so

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could add to their

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just something I think that our listeners could add to their list of things. To maybe test out or try out.

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I Like you could

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do you wanna start by talking about growing herbs? I just feel like we could add a lot of

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how easy herbs can

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wisdom to our listeners for

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in

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just how easy herbs can be in a pot. They can be in

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the very first

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the little

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grow.

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in your garden. They can be the very first thing you ever Sure. And I do have to make a disclaimer that I, even though I did do the Master Gardener course, I am still learning every single year how to grow better. And one of the things that. I love growing. As far as herbs go are the ones that are perennials. That means they come back year after year. You don't really have to babysit them. They're pretty unfussy and I'll talk about some of my favorite varieties, but there, there is a difference in herbs between they're growing conditions what they like. That could be. Lavender, loving that Mediterranean hot, dry summer versus maybe some of your tender crops like basil. Basil for me is notoriously finicky. I live here in the Intermountain West, which means it's a high desert. And if I am not watering my basal quite a bit, it turns dry and not as tender. So really look at the back of that tag when you're purchasing herbs and figure out what the growing conditions are needed for herbs. Most herbs do drained soil though, so keep that in mind. Don't plant them in a clay rich soil. I actually recommend people either have garden boxes or, grow bags or pots for their herbs just because the drainage is so good in a pot.

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Yeah it's

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That's some of the growing conditions. Yeah. What do you like to grow? Jenny? Jenny is in Northern California.

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So it's, think of it more

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so it's, think of it more

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not California, like the beach, but California more like

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not California, like the beach, but California more like

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to eastern

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Eastern or Eastern Oregon climate. But

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not by a lot.

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so I probably need a little bit more rain than Canada, but not.

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bed that I have, and the bed is shallow, it's, it is, I bet eight inches deep, not deep at all. I have

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I at eight inches deep. Not deep at all. I have

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chives. They're next door to each

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loving chives. They're next door to each other and with

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all are doing

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gangbusters gr together

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potting

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because they love that

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That's an

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good draining potty.

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but the soil I have here. I'm in mining country, so

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soil I have here.

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are

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I'm in mining country, so a lot of our soils are really poor

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a good way to

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after the dredging process has gone through and there's not a good way to remedy that.

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beds are go-to

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah, it's a

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are for my area. Yeah. It's a bummer.

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even Is pretty small, they

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it's just super successful even though the.

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Wasn't sure how much deer pressure I would have with

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Wasn't sure how much deer pressure I would have with no fence.

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doing

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We do have a new dog, a young dog who's

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planted

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doing her job in terms of keeping the away, but

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that I thought the deer

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I planted the Chis in among the other things I thought the deer would like.

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And I actually have some

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So as to. De

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and among all

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and I actually have some strawberries just

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and that's

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great in and among all that, which doesn't really go thematically and that's

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together and I also

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but

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some pretty

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all those are doing great together. And I also planted a pretty, very pretty

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It

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sage.

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nice,

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Oh, nice. It looks very nice. Smells nice.

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actually.

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Right next to my chicken run actually.

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is it A whole lot of pests?

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Is it really gonna turn, deter. Pet, maybe not, but it's certainly not gonna hurt Notoriously don't like

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those

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those,

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they They supposedly

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many herbs and those specifics, they don't, basically

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successful for

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don't. Yeah. So far that has just been super successful.

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herbs. I feel like when we talk

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Tell us more about the tender herbs. I feel like when we talk about tender herbs, I think of in every grocery store in America right now, you can buy a little, little tiny pot with a super

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those are

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tall base lemon. Yes.

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It's like you're

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Are Destin,

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and you're gonna snip up those leaves and then you're never

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it's like you're gonna go home and you're gonna snip off those leaves I know. The, not only are the leaves perfect for photosynthesis, but once you start snipping off a ton of those, and unless they're in like direct sun and they're getting decent nutrient from the soil, they. They just don't stand a chance. But I have seen people re-pot those grocery store basil plants and in new potting soil they can get pretty happy. And as long as you're not too brutal. I with your pruning, they can last for a long time and they can even branch off as you start cutting away at it. But I would recommend that you cut it right. Above like a set of leaf nodes. Don't cut when there's just nothing left on that stem because it won't grow back. It does need some leaves for some photosynthesis if you plan on keeping it in your kitchen and growing it for a while.

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Basal

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needs.

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water than the more Mediterranean the rosemary, the time. The chives, those

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The rosemary, the

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water.

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Rose,

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are

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the chime, those need a lot less water. They're very happy when you do water them, but they're pretty

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mint

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Whereas basil

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I've

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is like mint levels of water.

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much water, twice as

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Yeah.

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It's a little bit harder.

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I am growing some new to me herbs this year, including. Lemon Verina, which I cannot recommend enough for your peach jam. Throw some lemon verina chopped leaves in there and you will die. It tastes so good.

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Ah.

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And then I'm also growing some Fenig Greek, some lemon basil, obviously regular basil. I started from seed and some. Lavender. So those are the new herbs that I'm growing this year and I'm interested to see how it will do

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That all sounds so amazing. I

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that all sounds so amazing.

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Feel like dill is fun. I

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grow,

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are always so

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I feel

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by dill.'cause it's

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are

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looking and

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by, because

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the seeds are fun and it just is a magical looking plant. When they were, they're a little bit older now, they're

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Yeah.

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Preteen. My kids are teens and early teens and preteen. But when

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My kids are

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really loved

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early teens.

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and those

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But when they were little, they really loved plants and

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easily

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are easy.

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useful in

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like they grew very easily and

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of

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super beautiful.

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jar of pickles or dly

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a big head of

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so

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in your jar pickles or beans. Oh, it's gorgeous. So much Wow, so much flavor.

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Even if you it, you could just snip it

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Even if you never cooked with it

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structural,

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snippet and put it your bouquet, it's just very structural, pretty. Yeah, absolutely. I think Dill is one of those magical plants that has almost like a feather like quality where it blows in the breeze It's. Fennel also has that. Yeah, I love those.

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but it has that same kind of

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I've Yeah. It's super similar.

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oh, fun. hopefully you've been convinced that growing herbs

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before you've been,

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'em in pots, you

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the growing herbs is easy to do them in pot. You can do them in,

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doorstep, wherever

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beds. You can grow em right in

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just you

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wherever you find a little spot. Just to be sure that you

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and how

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look at

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need.

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good drainage and then how much water and how much sun they need.

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Well suited for a spot that you have,

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but you could find an her that's probably well

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thing.

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spot

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think

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that you have, and you can even do

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the

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just be aware that

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with other herbs and

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I feel like the, like basil gets lumped in with other herbs and it just, it like a much wetter situation. It's a little bit

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other ones. I feel

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not finicky, a little trickier. Some Of the other

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have to work

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Rosemary is,

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plant. They are very

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You

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feel like.

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have to work hard to sell a rosemary. They are very hardy, I feel like. Bases

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but

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that way.

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beyond Them, let's talk about how to preserve them because

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beyond planting them, let's talk about how to preserve them because they could be rock stars

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

a

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in your kitchen and so much more. Tell us why a person

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Anna.

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go. There's one really main reason for me, and that is that the grocery store herbs that you are getting are probably, they can be up to four years old. And the longer that a dried herb sits, the loss in aromatic smell and flavor happens. And so for me, drying herbs at home allows me to have. Very fresh tasting herbs. And for me, that's just key. If you love food you wanna get it when it's either at peak harvest or in the best way of preserving. There's a few different ways we can preserve herbs. Jenny, what is your favorite way I think that,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

ways freezing I feel like

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there's so many ways. Freezing I feel like is just,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

to can everything

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since we're in the crowd of canning, everybody wants to can everything.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

might be If

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and I think that

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because

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might be the pointing, if that's

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a

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your philosophy because

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is such a

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dehydrating is such a.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

some herbs are best frozen, and

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Somes

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specifically

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are best

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and

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frozen, and those

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you

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specifically would be basal and

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for

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d.

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seconds before

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blanch them in boiling water for 45 seconds. The order padding them dry and then

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mix

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freezing them.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

or

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You also can mix them with oil or butter or other condiments like a pesto.

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of carrot

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I

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and

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made pesto.

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cal. This is probably the most California thing I've ever said. Carrot tops, pumpkin seeds,

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Pumpkin seed,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and basil, the

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good farm.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

And that jar, I made several

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pesto.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

jars of

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that jar.

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Fridge, and it lasted.

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colors of it, and kept it in the back of my fridge and it left.

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so

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it took me two years

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

flavorful,

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eat, but it was Wow. So good,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

if you just keep it good and

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so flavorful, so delicious.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

when

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If you just keep it cold

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

it's gonna

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and use a clean UIL when you spoon outta it. A very long time and it was, it taste

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

didn't

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so fresh, that was what was,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

from the

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that it didn't taste

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12th.

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any different from the first month to the 12th.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

good to know

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Very good.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you

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So it's good to know which herbs you want and which you want.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

about the dehydrated ana.

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All right. The dehydrator is one of my favorite tools. I actually am drying some herbs right now. I have lage we didn't really talk about this yet, but Lage is an amazing perennial herb that a friend gave me. A start from probably, ooh, I wanna say six years ago. And each year I watch it come up and I just don't really do anything with it. And I thought, you know what? This is ridiculous. So I decided to cut some of the stems, and it's very similar looking to celery and parsley, so it almost looks like a cross between the two. And the flavor is very similar to a spicy celery. Parsley. And I don't mean spicy like hot, spicy like arugula is spicy

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Yeah.

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and it's just. Fantastic. So I'm drying it. I'm going to chop it a little bit in my food processor and then you can add it to soups and stews. It's very popular in England, Eastern Europe. I was looking at recipes and there were some from Romania and Bulgaria and Germany. And the great thing about Lovet is that I have never watered that plant, and it's already three feet tall. Never, I've never watered that thing. And we get really hot summers dry

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

anything.

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black.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

like a trusty barn. Cat doesn't need you for anything.

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Exactly. And it's probably thanks for pruning me. That's really great. Yeah, I'm dehydrating that right now.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Amazing. I've never even, I've never even thought of growing that. That's

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Amazing. I've never even, I've never even thought of growing up. That's amazing.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

listeners,

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clearly need to add that.

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if

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Do you know what we didn't say for our listeners?

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

What's the

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if you are wondering quietly yourself, wait,

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buy

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what's the difference between the annual and

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

once and

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perennials? You buy once

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and

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or plant them once and then they just.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Something that will live one season, they'll be

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It's something that will live

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

And

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they'll and then that's

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

just a decision I guess you make based on what Needs are

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it's just a decision I guess, you make based on what you're growing needs are or what you wanna do. I personally Am

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

want,

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to Peral

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

plant

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in terms of just I

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

work

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only want easy

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

ever

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I don't want do this much work

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

then

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Ever again.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

it comes back bigger and

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I just,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

year.

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yeah. How it back bigger and better every year.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

of The

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but some people love

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

I know my Like really

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of

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like, oh, it's

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gonna the theme store in spring. I know my grandma,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

her. She would get her flowers for the year that she

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I go to the store and get

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

in her

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her flowers for the year

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Some people love that and it's sweet and it's

_1_05-29-2025_102613:

people.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

If that's what you wanna do it. But just know

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Great. And that's what you wanna do it. But just know that for every dollar and every hour, it's either

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

come back. You don't have to do that again. And

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perennial and perennial back. You don't have to do that again.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

like

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also means that wherever you plant that

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

where it's

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think

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you,

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you're probably not gonna move in. This is where it's gonna live. Just some of them aren't easy to transplant.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

space.

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Come back in that

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

This

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space.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

live?

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You wanna think through is this where it's gonna live?

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

the

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Pretty home. It's like the home you buy, not the home you rent,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

just keep

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right?

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

So

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Yeah.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

tell us more.

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herbs are very tender and you wanna try and keep as much of those aromatic properties as possible. So you're gonna dehydrate this at 95 degrees Fahrenheit. I do it low and slow and it probably takes, I'm gonna check it at like 12 hours just to see What it's feeling like. Dehydrated herbs are going to crumble under your touch when they're ready. You don't want any moisture content really at all when you're dehydrating. So make sure that those, those leaves or stems or whatever you're dehydrating are crumbling under your touch. That's really important. And then you're gonna store in airtight containers on a cool, dry place away from sunlight. And you can crush or grind them before you use them, or you can leave them whole.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

I have a good friend down the road who gave as a

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I have a.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

A mason jar with dried mint and dried chamomile mixed together as such a nice tea mix

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Together.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

for the wintertime,

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Such a nice,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and I couldn't

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oh, that's lovely.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

how much better all

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I couldn't believe

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

know what

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how much better all that smell than, like I know what teabag but

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

It

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there are not fresh. Not even close. Sure.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

It was just, it

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So good. And you didn't have to use very much. It was just, it was really sweet. It was

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

chamomile,

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very effective

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

not difficult

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to drive. So like mint, amo mill, that's not exotic. That's not difficult to grow. Those are pretty easy things to,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

really nice

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yeah. To grow and expensive. And it

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

the wintertime

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was really nice because you Yeah, absolutely. And one thing I would say as a seed saver is that I like my annuals to go to seed in the fall. And then when they go to seed, you can actually either harvest those seeds or just sprinkle'em back in the ground. And in the spring they will come up and you just repeat that cycle over and it just keeps coming up. I don't know if you've ever planted dill, but dill is a very, I don't wanna say promiscuous seed. Seedy plant, but I find what, it's so fertile. If you have a dill going to seed in your garden, you're gonna get dill coming back up the next spring because it's so prolific

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

It's spreading

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it

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

hither, and yawn. Have you ever heard any person say that? I've heard people

_1_05-29-2025_102613:

you.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and it makes me laugh every time I've heard it, but Dill is spreading its seed, hither, and yawn.

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The other thing I would love to share with our listeners is that it's a perfect time to dehydrate your chives, your green onions, your garlic scapes for me. In one of my garden beds, I forgot about some garlic that didn't get separated out. So this spring there's just a bunch of garlic shoots coming up and I'm gonna take those cut the tops off and dehydrate those. And then I'll make a powder with fresh garlic and onion tops and green chives and things like that. And I think that's a really great way to. I don't know, have your own special blend of herbs and spices that came straight from you. I absolutely love that story of your friend that gave you a very personalized gift of mint and chamomile.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

It was super sweet and it was actually very bittersweet because

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It was. It was

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

was,

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actually

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

she was moving, it was kinda a long

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bitter.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

she was like, I'm gonna, I'm leaving. Here's my parting gift. And I was like, man, I should be giving you the parting gift. But it was just very sweet and. That wasn't

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But it was just very sweet

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

super difficult,

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that wasn't a ton of work. It wasn't super difficult,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

very

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but it was very good very easy to enjoy. Enjoy in the wintertime.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

I also think having herbs available makes you a

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Herb

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

It makes your

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makes you a better cook.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

and

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Better cook.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you have them

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And as

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dry

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you have them

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

to

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and you

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Which I

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use them,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

very

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which

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

preservation

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it's just like a very simple preservation step that we might like, not think of or not

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you're probably excited

_1_05-29-2025_102613:

necessarily be, like, if you're tuning into this podcast, you're probably excited to learn about can,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

freeze dry. Ready

_1_05-29-2025_102613:

pressure canning or. You're like

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

skip,

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ready for step

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

sleep on the

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2.0, but

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

super, super

_1_05-29-2025_102613:

don't sleep on the dehydration because it can be super, super valuable and easy.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Anna, how many

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And

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

it running

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yeah. We'll see, but I usually check it after 12 hours.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Yeah, see, so like in the 11 to

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Yeah, so like

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

you can

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anytime in the 11 to 14 hour range you can check on it.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

so an herb Have preserved

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so an herb that I have

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

success

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preserved

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

are hops.

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with great success,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

are a vine. That is,

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oh.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

the

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Are a vine. That

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

in

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is the plants hop,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

strong

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are used in beard. They actually have a very strong preservative quality.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

Stands for

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you are a person who likes I-P-A-I-P-A stands for

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

has a lot of

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d and

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it because it was preserved

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has a lot of pop added to it because it was preserved from Western Europe for the long journey.

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lot of hot flavor.

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So they

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what that

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just have a lot of pot flavor. That's that's what that herb is

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

of

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probably most famous for. Yeah.

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

which

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Also, I believe a coconut

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

mentioned because it

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plant,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

very

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which only I mentioned has, it has a very gentle sedative, like sleepy times

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

bitter,

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quality. Oh,

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can dehydrate

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very

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

They

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bitter,

jenny-gomes_1_05-29-2025_092614:

a little pine

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but

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You've

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you can dehydrate those. They look like a little fine.

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You could just look at an

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A label of any IPA

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but they're small.

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look at an illustration, right? They look like a leafy greenstone, but they're small.

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it's

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can dehydrate those

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yellow

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easily, and it's the

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pollen, but

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yellow kind,

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yellow substance up at the

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actually

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pine cone

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yellow.

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but that gets very dry and

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Pine C leaf,

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dried.

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that gets very dry and they're very pretty dry,

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a super

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very aromatic. And that is actually a super simple

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when you grow

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super simple dehydration herb. And when you grow them, their vines are very raspy, like a raspberry.

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climb

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If you needed something to climb a wall or climb a,

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or

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sort of trellis or something, but you didn't wanna attract

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or

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or produce like

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they're really a

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lawn.

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that

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Tractor bear, they're

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see a whole

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really a neat line

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as

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you don't necessarily And what do you do? You dehydrate it for the purpose of beer making or like, why would you dehydrate it?

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So if I were just a person, just not necessarily a

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So if I were just a person, just not necessarily a home brewer,

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a tea,

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would dehydrate a small amount for adding to a tea. Like one little of those. He with

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a Would

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let's say chamomile tea

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sleepy

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and a sugar cube would be a very good sleepy time herbal blend.

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but

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You don't wanna do too much because it is a fairly.

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sleepy

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it does have a

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feel

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distinct

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It's

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sleepy time

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get ready for

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meal to it.

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And I'm sure there's some that, I'm sure there's cooking applications that I

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Cooking applications.

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but

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I'm sure there's cooking.

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I just happened to know about hops. My parents owned a brewery when I was very

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Just happened to know about

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Happened to

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when I was

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at my home when I was a kid and.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah.

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When I was a kid and,

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they are a very

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yeah. Yeah. But they are a very useful plant in the fact that they don't produce like a fruit. That's

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But they're have big, broad

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something.

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They're easy climbers, they're neat. So that's just a possibility

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their needs. So that's What else can you use instead of dehydrator?

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yeah. So if you don't have a You can

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oh yeah.

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a

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So if you don't have a dehydrator,

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at the

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can use a cookie sheet in your oven at the lowest temperature setting that for most ovens, less

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prop

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200 degrees or less.

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To

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You also can prop open the door of your oven to get a little bit cooler, like with a wood spoon.

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Hawks. You

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You can air dry herbs

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like you

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you can,

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Chili's

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on a needle and thread like you would either chilies or

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You can dry it

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popcorn if you were stringing it for Christmas tree. You can dry it like that. You can air dry bundles of leafy herbs, probably the more drier

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well

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if they like a dry habitat. Those tend to dry well in the

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I think Rosemary Dry like

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Sage is good like that. I think rosemary, they to dry like that.

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on a

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If you've never grown rosemary, it grows on a woody stem, which is

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upside

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so handy or To hang upside down.

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herbs do you dry? Just hanging upside

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what other herbs do you dry? Oh. I've done lavender. I've done, like you said, sage, I've done. Definitely flowers and chamomile yaro. I think that's about it. Pretty much anything that I have an abundance of and I don't have space in my dehydrator, I just bundle and then hang, and it takes, two to three weeks usually for everything to get really crispy and dry.

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Ugh. So many easy ways to dehydrate herbs, guys easy

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many easy ways to dehydrate or

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if there's anything

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so many easy ways.

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referred to a

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Think of there's anything else. We referred to a great article from,

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the University of California.

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where is this from? Oh, the University of California.

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all the

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that.

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that we covered in terms of just

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Just listed all the things that we covered in terms about growing. We'll link it in the show notes.

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dehydrate,

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are growing tips for what to dehydrate, which to

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general

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preserve in the freezer.

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So it

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And then just general good links for growing

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the

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really good articles,

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Clara County.

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