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Drink O'Clock
A Brewmaster, His Son, and an Energy Drink That Actually Makes Sense
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A guy walks into a hospital gift shop at 2 a.m. while his wife is in labor, reaches for an energy drink, and realizes every option on the shelf was made for a teenager. That moment sparked Mocean Energy.
This week I sit down with Tony Vieira, a brewmaster who spent 36 years at Anheuser-Busch, Coors, and Mark Anthony Brewing, where he helped develop White Claw. Tony breaks down the science of hangovers, what it was like building million-square-foot breweries during COVID to meet White Claw demand, and why he and his son Christian walked away from corporate life to build a clean energy drink rooted in Eastern medicine and his Filipino mother's home remedies.
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You know, Tony, I gotta tell you, I it never ceases to amaze me how software uh can just not work. And it's one of the reasons why I decided to not do IT as my real job, because I think I would probably hardware pretty much works 99% of the time unless you get it done, right? It's always the software that we have issues with.
SPEAKER_03It'll bite you in the ass, brother.
SPEAKER_00It's no there's bite you in the ass. Now you're an entrepreneur, so I'd imagine you've you've probably dealt with your fair share of of issues, but this is the Drink a Clock Podcast. I am your host, Rob Valencius. I have the pleasure of having with me Tony Viera. And I should probably should have double checked to make sure that's how you said your name, because I always screw it up. Did I say it right? What did I miss?
SPEAKER_03Vieira, you got it, brother.
SPEAKER_00Let's go. Let's go. Now, Tony, you're an executive in Brewing Innovation, and you are you've been in the beverage industry now for 36 years. Welcome to the podcast, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, thanks, Rob. I I do appreciate being here, and it's fun. I've watched a couple of your programs and um uh, you know, I I appreciate the time and to have a cocktail because you know it's been one of those fucking days, brother.
SPEAKER_00So it's always one of those fucking days. So so I'll be 40 this year, but you'd think I'm 70 the way I talk. So when I'm at work, I work in an office and I'm always someone says something to me and I'm like, it is what it is, you know, or um, you know, just just I I have a couple staple sayings, living the dream. I should probably get that on a t-shirt because I say that multiple times a day. And I to the point where I have people at work now saying it too. And I don't know if they're doing it because they know uh that when I say that, it's it's typically not a good day, you know. But cheers, man. Appreciate you coming on the show, man. What you got in your glass there?
SPEAKER_03Oh, I I got a single malt um Japanese whiskey. Yeah, it's great, actually. It's called the Yamazaki. It's it's it's fantastic.
SPEAKER_00I think I've had that before. Now tell me if this is true. I actually saw something, and you can't believe everything you read online, but I saw uh I'm a big I I like X or Twitter. I still call it Twitter, but I saw a guy put uh I found a lot of like health people. And this guy was talking that uh he was saying he was gonna try only in America, only drinking uh Japanese like uh alcohols from Japan, like that were imported here to see, and he said that he got a he got zero hangover from those comparatively to drinking, you know, whiskies and all that stuff that were made here in America. Um can can you shed some some light on obviously I know I'm sure there's a million chemicals in ours compared to uh you know Japan.
SPEAKER_03I no, I think actually there, I think um I'm I I don't know if I'd buy it for a couple of reasons. Right. Uh one is you know the distillers here in the US are are are excellent, the big the big distillers in particular because they can fractionate the distillate um like you know like it's going out of style. So they they I I and they're not they're not putting product out there that is gonna give you s you know make you susceptible to a hangover because they don't want to, right? Um but I think you know there there's a lot of in in distilling, you can separate the heads and the tails, and you know, then you get the hearts and so forth, and you know, depending on how you blend those together, you know, it it determines the quality of the product. Um the major distillers aren't gonna they're aren't gonna mess with that. Um and there are you know there are some smaller distillers that can't fractionate like like other big big distillers, and that might be, you know, a challenge for them. Um and then but uh but the Japanese uh you know that they're they're precise. Um they do make high quality product there. And um I you know I I a lot of the hangover is due to overconsumption and how your body metabolizes and you you move from um alcohol to you know you break that down into other components, and as those components sort of um build up in your bloodstream, those can lead to headaches, right? And and hang out.
SPEAKER_00Is it um is it methanol that it breaks down to, I think?
SPEAKER_03Well it it it it breaks down to acid aldehyde. Acid aldehyde is a good thing.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that's what it yeah, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03And and in fact, and a lot of Asian men, something like 25% of the Asian men can't metabolize acid aldehyde, and so they're cheap drunk, right? Um or they well, they they end up getting impacted by the alcohol worse, headaches, etc. And um so you know, there I you know, there is a there's a huge science to to distillation. And you know, my hat is off to them. When I when I was with um part of my background, uh I j I just retired from Marc Anthony Brewing, and they are the they are the group that that we owned, we own, or they own distilleries, they owned um wineries, they are they're the makers of white claw, Mike Hard Lemonade, um, Gwendelock whiskies, and so forth. But part of my role there was um I oversaw a pilot distillery for them and so forth. And um so I I have uh the utmost respect for the spirits industry and you know the alcohol industry in general, because that's where I um you know cut my teeth.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, see, look, it would make sense. Now that I I asked you that question, in my head, I'm thinking about like look, right? The big the big guys, they want you to drink every day if they cook, right? Because that's that's that's market share, or they want you to drink their brand. So they're not gonna try to intentionally make it so you get a hangover by putting even more stuff in there because they they want it. It's it'd be like a drug dealer, right? Like they're not gonna uh poison their their meth they're selling you because they want you back tomorrow, they don't want you dead, you know. It's a convincing concept.
SPEAKER_03It would be a very myopic view, you know, if they tried to, you know, to meaning short-sighted, right? And and that yeah, if if if if there was intent to make a product that was not, you know, really good quality. And and and if it was if it went if if it I guess promoted you know hangovers and things like that, it just doesn't it doesn't make any business sense.
SPEAKER_00And so so I'm not talking for loco here. You know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So I call a bit of bullshit on on the the guy who never had a hangover from you know I you know you you can get a hangover from any any alcohol that you drink in it uh uh an enough of in excess, right? There's no doubt about that.
SPEAKER_00That's true. That's true. So uh yeah, and but and before we get into your backstory, I used to back in my heyday before I had all the gray hair uh, you know, and crack every time I I bend down. Um I uh I used to I became a certified Guinness pourer. Um and I worked uh I worked a lot at beer fests and uh the wifey um she she uh modeled, so she was like one of the beer girls. So she was she was the the pretty and I was the the brawn behind pouring the the pints of Guinness um because there's a special way to do it, you know, you gotta do it right. But while we were doing that, we got to learn. I I was I basically took classes like once a week for uh like a month, month and a half. And they paid us, but uh they taught us about hops and and all that stuff and and what their brewing process looks like. This was right around when uh you know Guinness Nitro got big when they were um when they were in, you know, kind of really trying to push that. So we had to learn about um you know their their brewing process, how they kept all everything in the cans and so that it wouldn't go stale. And um it was a really cool process to learn about the science behind. I'm a science-y type person, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. It's it's it's it's fun to get you know get sort of uh absorbed into that tech of the of the brewing science. And I so I I'm a brewmaster by training. Um and I'm glad you brought up Guinness because it's it is like the nectar of the gods, right? I I really, really love Guinness. In fact, I've got a tap in my garage right now with a Guinness faucet on it. And and um I converted it. Uh I used to have you know a whole bunch of different beers on there, and all we'll always serve is Guinness on there now. But in fact, the guy that gave me this is a good friend of mine. His name is Eddie Corcoran, was a Guinness brewmaster. He replaced me when I retired this uh this past year as the brewmaster at Whiteclaw. Um nice! Yeah, so uh, but anyways, I love I love Guinness. Um and that nitro pore is I mean it's it's there's nothing like it. Uh it's uh it it is amazing. Um it's a the product is one that will I it will never go out of style, ever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's on the bucket list to go to go out and and go to the home factory. That's that's where I want to go to the home brewery, check it all out. Absolutely um one of these days. But uh we're from we're from Philly, so you know, everywhere around here it's you know, if you say you want a lager, you're getting a Yingling because the Ying Ling brewery is I mean, Jesus, probably I could drive there in maybe an hour, hour and a half, you know.
SPEAKER_03Um Pottsville, right?
SPEAKER_00Yep, Pottsville. Yep. So it's not it's not far. Uh, but we're that's what we're known for here in the in the Philly area. But uh listen, let's talk about growing up, man. Before we get into your background and some of the stuff you got into, you know, growing up, uh, you know, where'd you grow up? What'd you get into, and uh what what kind of drove you? I know you have a very interesting backstory because you weren't always in the the brewing, you weren't always a master brewer and you kind of made a decision, but talk to me up to that year 36 mark, right? Like you know, get up to there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so well, I I I I I tell you, um so I'm also the the family historian, right? So I'm doing a little research on my family. I'm I'm Portuguese and Filipino. My last name is Portuguese.
SPEAKER_00Um it might not look it, but I'm actually Puerto Rican. I'm Puerto Rican. Uh yeah, my dad's adopted, and my real family is from Puerto Rico. Now, I had to get a 23ME test to prove it to my very my my wife is uh 100% Ukrainian. She was born here, so it's not like she has the Ukrainian accent, but uh I had to prove it to her. I'm like, listen, I'm I'm telling you, that's it. And we didn't she didn't believe it. And then uh she bought the tests. So I was like, all right, let's take a look. And and uh it it showed now obviously Puerto Rico, people migrated to Puerto Rico. They didn't they weren't just living there, you know. So where people migrated from in Europe was pretty much uh everywhere where people who settled in Puerto Rico were. So uh it's it's it's fun to have an interesting background.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it really is. I'll tell you a funny story. Like I did the 23andMe and turns out that uh, you know, it's supposedly one of uh one of you know, if you go back enough a thousand years or whatever, I'm I you know, and and you and you're probably in the same boat, actually. We're probably brothers, right?
SPEAKER_00Um We're all brothers in the long run, right?
SPEAKER_03Um related to to Nile of the Nine Hostages, who was a guy who was a uh a warlord in the in Ireland who basically took hostages from the other clans, and and that way he controlled uh he controlled Ireland at that time, and his name was Nile of the Nine Hostages. So he he would that's how he kept control. He'd he'd like take your sister or your mother, and then you your clan would be subservient to him. So we're we're yeah, you're but you're probably in that lineage as well, because every when I looked at it, it was like everybody in the world was in that lineage.
SPEAKER_00That's that's wild to think, isn't it? Like it kind of throws you for a loop. Yeah, I had some very interesting people that I was like connected. The the wifey did hers, she's connected to all royalty. It's like royalty and uh you know, people in in higher. I had like an inbred uh something or other, a baby, and I'm like, where did you guys get this shit? How do you know that this inbred and then like a something uh day massacre victim? I was like, how do you know that I'm related to the to these victims of a massacre from 400 years ago? You know? Uh wild science. I'll I'll say that.
SPEAKER_03It is wild. Uh yeah, so so my so my background, just to continue that wildness. Um, so I was born in the Philippines. My mother, um who was she passed about 20 years ago, but she was a little four foot ten Filipino woman. And growing up, she used to tell me that she was born in a jungle. Right? And I said, Okay. So so as when she was getting on in a year, she was she was really sick. We started she started telling more about her childhood. I never knew any of this growing up. Um she uh so she tells me that she was born during the during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines during World War II. And she was on a on on an island, one of the minor islands, and they were fully occupied by the Japanese, and the Japanese had at the time, you know, were were sort of burning down villages and and so forth. And so she and her small family or her her her parents and their small family sort of went out into the jungle and were hiding out in the jungle. My grandmother Illuminata was her name, um, which means the enlightened one, um was uh you know, was was pregnant and she was, you know, in her in her late her her late um pregnancy. So her and my my grandfather, when she went into labor, the decision was made that she should actually they should leave the clan and go hide by themselves because they didn't want the noise of the crying baby and the birth to attract the Japanese and you know and and potential conflict. So my mother is born out in the this jungle and my um couple days later my my grandfather goes back to meet with the family to tell them that she's born, and while they were gone, the rest of the family had been killed. Oh wow. Yeah, so my mother, you know, she she carried that sort of weight with her. And then later on, she grew up, her her her father died of tetany, which is a horrible way to go when she was five, and then her and her her and her mother, um, and I don't know why I'm going to all this, but it's it's interesting.
SPEAKER_00I love the history stuff, man. I'm a I I could I could eat it up.
SPEAKER_03She um her she ended up when she was about fifteen, her and her mother were at a carnival, and my mother got raped, and she got she was being attacked by this man. My grandmother intervened. It was it was somewhere off in this carnival. They both get stabbed, they both get rushed to the a clinic in the Philippines, and they're on tables next to each other, and they only have enough blood for one of 'em. And so my grandmother in the Philippines at the time, they gave blood to the to the oldest person. It was the way that that you know, if they had to make a choice, they gave it to the older, the elder. Um my grandmother refused the blood. My mother got the blood, my grandmother died that night, and so my mother at fifteen was by herself. So, anyways, fast forward. I'm born in 1967 in the Philippines in the clinic that my grandmother died in. And that's how that that's how my story starts.
SPEAKER_00So that's that is wild, man. That is absolut Which I guess it makes sense to give blood to the older person if because they're probably more likely to die for from blood loss, but at the same time, it's like they're older, and wouldn't you want to save the person that's that's younger, I guess. I don't I don't know. I guess it's one of those uh one of those questions above my pay grade uh on on who you who you should save. But that I mean, my um my wifey, her mom has an uh an interesting like backstory because she was born in Venezuela. She's Ukrainian, but she was born in Venezuela. And uh, you know, she joined the army, was a secretary in the army, but uh knows she knows Ukrainian, Spanish, like she watches Spanish soap operas, and but if you looked at her, you would never know that she knows all these languages, you know, and uh it's it's a pretty wild thing. But nothing is uh is horrible as you know, some of that stuff. I mean, that's that's wild. But hey, look, man, you made it out of out of all the you know turmoil, right? So there's there's uh reason to celebrate there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, so we we ended up coming over to the U.S. Um, I grew up um primarily in New Hampshire, in um southern New Hampshire. And um and uh, you know, I was a soccer player growing up. I know you were as well. I I I saw that. Um so I played a little bit of ball, and then um in col you know, my wife and I met in college and uh we we got married in college. He was pregnant in our junior year. And so you know when we graduated, we I had a one-year-old son, right? And wow, I I I was a biology major, so I had and and I drank enough Budweiser back then, right, to I figured they owed me a job, right? So I send my I send my resume in to them. And and uh I had done some interesting research as an undergrad. And um so anyways, I I I end up getting this interview. I go to St. Louis and they're interviewing me for their brewmaster training program, right? And um and I'm with the vice president of human resources for the brewing division for the world, right? And he's interviewing me. He takes out my transcript and he looks at it, and it was miserable, man. It's a fucking I mean, it was so it uh it's embarrassing. I won't even tell you how low my my GPA was, right? So he's like, hey, um wait a second here. You want to talk about your GPA? And I said, I said, well, his name is um Dr. Brunell, Don Don Brunell. I said, Dr. Brunell. The only I will tell you this, the only 4-0 I ever got was in blood alcohol content. And so we that kind of broke the ice, and you know, we ended up uh I ended up getting the interview, and it turns out they hired me for their brewmaster training program. So I started there right out of college. Um and and thank you know, so for me, I was just trying to get insurance because my kid was, you know, I had a kid and a wife. So so I started a brew master training program and it changed my world. Anheuser Busch changed my world. And um I went from there, did a number of jobs, and I finished up with um with White Claw uh back this summer. And um I was the head of brewing for them and uh quality in the US and um ran their pilot brewery and technical services and co-packing. And so um but it was time for me to go. I you know, I I knew, you know, I I wanted to start a business with my son, and so that's what we did. And then so last summer we we launched this this new non-alcoholic energy drink that we produce.
SPEAKER_00So that is cool, man. I mean, look, um I I look I started I I wanted to I went to college, I wanted to be a psychologist, and then I realized that uh I didn't want to go to school for six to eight years. I wanted to do it in four. Only managed to end up doing two, and I didn't finish then, I finished later in life. But um, you know, and I I got a degree in IT, but I work in insurance, so I you know, I I think um your career and where you are uh almost sometimes never match up to kind of what you thought it was gonna be. I'm really good at what I do, you know. Um so it kind of just worked out, but I think it's pretty cool. How do you feel the biology degree kind of helped you as a brewmaster? Do you think it came into came into play in in like random points? Did you think it was gonna be really useful?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you know, I like so I wanted to be Quincy. I mean back when I was the kid, the the show was Quincy. You he was the first medical examiner on television, right? And so I wanted to be Quincy. That was the guy, right? So I wanted to be a biology major and I wanted to be a you know pathologist and a forensic pathologist, and of course. I um I didn't have the discipline academically, right? Um but I but I got my biology degree. And um what it did for me with brewing was that it helped it you know to to get into the the sciences and even you know in IT and and and so forth, you know, you you gotta be a curious you gotta be curious, right, in general, right? And so I think it because we brewing is required, it's a basically it's a it's an active you know fermentation of culture that's going on with yeast cells, live yeast cells and and so forth. My biology degree helped me to to really be able to understand what was happening in the tank over a course of time, you know, to from when you start with a sugar and you turn it into an alcohol and it can reduce CO2 and heat and so forth. Um, those are the things that um really benefited me. And and the discipline of working for the major brewers is I know that there's a lot of a lot of them are getting, you know, they they get bad press because they are big, but they have really good discipline, really high quality standards, and they understand brewing science like no one else. And you know, Dennis is a great example of that, right? I mean, you know, it again, the nectar of the gods, right?
SPEAKER_00So and been around for a very, very, very long time. Yeah, yeah. Now, what does a research brewer actually do? Give me some day-to-day, because in my head, I'm thinking, oh, this guy gets to just brew some brew some beer and drink all day.
SPEAKER_03You know, uh Yeah, I well, you know, it was it was it was really cool. Uh so it basically I worked in the the the coolest brew pub brewer brew pub size brewery that you could ever work in. We actually took grain in. We we we malted it ourselves, so we got it to grow in compartments and sprout, and we ran the kilns and all this other. So we we made our own malt and then we'd grind it and you know, so what what what so I'd walk walk in on you know on a day and they'd hand me a brew sheet, so okay, we're gonna make some experimental, you know, Budweiser today, right? And you might do hop hop evaluations, you might do rice evaluations, different malt evaluations or or whatever. And so you knew what the objective was. You know, this is we're gonna change the mash temperature on this one. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna add uh this type of hop this time. And so it was great. Um, and you did that, that's all we did, right? We just is like re we brewed different types of beer. So one of the one of the products that that benefited me down the road that I worked on back in 1989 was a clear beer at at Anheiser Busch. And that be you know, that's the type of product that yeah, well, that was that was Coors. I worked on that one too.
SPEAKER_02Oh okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03Um, but but they they you know but that's that knowledge of how I how those products are made is how I helped um you know with the Mike Mike's hard lemonade and and white claw. Um which which and White Claw ended up being I really believe this, I although I haven't seen the numbers um to to to I haven't I've never seen it you know fully calculated out, but I think Whiteclaw was the fastest growing alcoholic product in the history of alcohol, like since the Mesopotamians are spitting in pots, right? I mean, th this this product grew faster than anything, you know, that that's ever been produced before. And so you know, but all of those things um helped inform you know my career. And you know, and then you know, you get to a point and you say, you know, I think I want to do something of my own. And that that's how we my son, my son had come to me with a personal challenge, and that's how we ended up making motion, this this new energy drink.
SPEAKER_00That is that is cool, man. And um, yeah, I gotta tell you, so uh during COVID, we drank uh a decent amount of so white claw actually actually me and the wifey actually were in great shape and we eat you know I I had the least amount of stress in my life during COVID because it was I got to work from home. There was I didn't deal with traffic or like it just I spent more time with her. I spent more time with my dogs. It was just uh I loved it. I'm not gonna lie to you, because you know, the her and my dogs are what I care about most in this world, so I got to spend more time and um it was just a cool three months because my company, we were old school. We went, we were pretty much right back after three months, you know. Uh as soon as they said we could, we were there. Uh they they were really good with it though. We did like layered, you know, every you know, Monday we were in, Wednesday we were out, but Tuesday another, you know, row of the office was in. So they they they phased us back in. But um it was it was a cool time there. But we drank uh the wifey loved uh White Claw had a do you remember the White Claw 70 calorie that they had?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00She loved it. She loved it. I mean, that's what she drank all the time, and then eventually it just poof went away.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, you know, the the market will tell you, right? Uh in the end, the the five percent, I think, was was really what was and still is their biggest, I think, you know, segment of of it. Um, you know, it's interesting you you talk about um COVID and so forth. Um, so during COVID, we were building breweries at at Mark Anthony. We we built three breweries in a couple of years, uh, like two of them over a million square feet for Whitequaw.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, we everything before that was pre-sold at White. The brand was so popular that the the logistics guys were having to allocate. You put an order in, you say, I want I need a I need a pallet of White Claw. They'd send you 10 because they needed to split that pallet, you know, between 10 other guys. And and that's how it was for the first uh I don't know, several years that we were making it.
SPEAKER_00Wow. I mean it's tasty. I'll give it that. I'm not um I'm not like the biggest seltzer person. Um I'll drink it. It's not like I'm like ew, you know. Um, but for me, it's just I don't know. I'm not I I feel like it's certain it's a certain taste for people.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know what, you know what it you know what it was? It was a f it and it's you know, it's a it's still a a great product, and the seltzers are, you know, it they're they're a category that isn't gonna go away. Um, you know, I think what it did back then was it was the one product that the dude and the girl could agree on, right? And it was like, you know what, let's just get let's get you know, and and that that's how it ended up becoming so popular. We had fraternities ordering pallets of it because and they were pissed. I remember seeing an article because I think it was in Georgia, University of Georgia, where the fraternity was like, Yeah, we're you know, we're really pissed at white claw because our cost to throw a party has gone up because it used to be that we could just do a punch bowl, but now we got to bring in pallets of white claw, you know.
SPEAKER_00So that's funny. And it doesn't doesn't surprise me, especially for a southern school, because a lot of times, like, you know, those southern schools, that's all they got is college, you know, college football, college, everything down there. Um yeah, I mean look, white claw's good, man. Uh seltzers are good. Um and I'll definitely drink like if someone's like, yeah, all I got's a seltzer, I'm I'll drink it. It's not gonna deter me. Uh, but we actually drink, we really enjoy um so Bud Light came out with Bud Light next. Oh, I think it's so it's it's the it's the only beer that I know of in the market that's zero carbs and has four percent alcohol and it's uh 80 calories. Oh, I haven't tried that. It's light. I mean, look, it's you you're drinking a light beer, it's it's gonna be super light, but it's light, it's crisp, we enjoy it, and uh, you know, we try to be conscientious of what we're putting in our bodies. And if I could drink, you know, 10 of these at 80 calories with zero carbs, I'll feel way better about myself and probably better in the morning than if I drank uh, you know, uh like just a straight, I haven't had a straight, just like Budweiser. I think I might not have ever had one because I've always been more of a light beer person anyway. Uh outside of I I don't I feel like uh uh Guinness, even though it's a it's a darker beer, I still feel it's super light. Just the whatever the whatever they use, it's it's a light beer to me.
SPEAKER_03It's not a high alcohol product, and then and and it is and it is, you know, it's it's uh it's it's it's got the same, you know. I think calorically it's the same as like a Budweiser. You know, you'd think that it's heavier, but it's not.
SPEAKER_00So I feel like the color, the foam, it it makes you think it's it's like a malt, like a you know, a big time heavy beer, and it's really not.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Um, and it's delicious. I haven't had one in a while. Now I'm like fiending for one. Um so you know, you went from obviously your research role uh and then you went into the brew pub partnership. Yeah, big leap there. What did you learn from like the about the business of beer that you probably couldn't have learned about, you know, from like the big corporation?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. No, that that that is a great question because I, you know, I I when I when I I tell people this, they don't really understand. Um so at Anheuser Bush, you know, I I uh you know, I'm I'm I'm working, I I I know how to formulate and um I've got all sorts of resources, you know, we got uh these labs with you know a hundred thousand dollar grass gas chromatograph there and all you know. Well, you get into a brew pub and you got nothing, right? So it's that's where you know all of the technical training comes out. You you know, you you it's like this intersection of the art and the science. And if you can't figure it out, no one else is gonna figure it out for you. There's not a team, there's no corporate brewers coming in, you know. And so that was, I think for me, it gave me a you know, having to, you know, you you formulate from scratch and you you start to figure out, well, why didn't that turn out the way I I wanted it to, or what could I have done differently? How do I get this hop to to come out more in the beer? Um and I think that that process of of running my own brew pubs and and so forth, I think it it it helped polish off sort of my technical knowledge, I think, in particular.
SPEAKER_00Do you feel like a like a mad scientist when you're doing that?
SPEAKER_03You know, it's a lot of fun. You look, you know, you know, you know you're in the right role when you lose time, right? And and and for me, I lose a lot of time when I'm making beer or when I'm you know making my products or or working with my family.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, I mean look, uh it's I've always I've actually almost thought about doing it just for shits and giggles at home, like in the garage type thing. I have we actually had a couple people that uh were friends of ours that have kind of brewed their own stuff that was not good. It was not good.
SPEAKER_03Uh it tasted like beer mixed with nail polish remover, but you're like, oh, this is you know, I think it's it's it's it's it's really not it's not an easy thing. It's not the hardest thing in the world, but if you don't do it well, you can end up with a lot of shit, right? And I think that's the truth. So when I had my brew pubs, the ones you were talking about, people would bring in their beers for me, you know. I'm like, hey, the brewmaster's here, you know, hey, this is a beer I made, you know. You got to choke it down to paint a smile on, right? Like, yeah, it's fucking great, man.
SPEAKER_02And then delicious terrible, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, now, you know, the one thing that would surprise people is the FedEx chapter, right? So, how does a brewing guy end up as a corporate strategy advisor for a logistics giant? You know, what did that experience teach you um that you that you think beer couldn't or wouldn't teach you?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um you really dug in, brother.
SPEAKER_00I uh Hey man, this is what I'm here for, baby.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I I worked at FedEx for um uh for a number of well, a couple of years. Um so what happened was I worked in Memphis, Tennessee at the CORES plant there, and my last role there, they were closing that plant. And so I was I was a quality guy there, and then I was a brewing guy there. And then my last role, I was actually working for international as a technical brewer working in international, and my my role was then to migrate all the brands that we were making out of the brewery so we could close it. Okay. So that is a tough role to be in, right? So you're my you know, you're you're my buddy. I've been working with you for the last 10 years, and you know every time I leave the building, I'm going to I'm going to another brewery to take volume out of the plant, right? And so that was that was tough. Um my kids were in high school. Um my my youngest son, uh actually, yeah, I know you're you're from Philadelphia. My my son was uh he went to Penn. So he was an undergrad at the Wharton. Um my other son was he went to uh St. Louis Hugh and then got his master's, he got a dual master's out in California. Um but so so these two are at at home, and my great my grandmother, who's 90 years old, is living with us. And so when they went to close the plant, I had just finished my MBA at Vanderbilt. And I had a it was an MBA that specialized in corporate strategy, and so um I you know I took the hit. It was like, you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna not move the family because they want the cores wanted me to move at the time, and I took the hit, and um I I shouldn't say that because FedEx was was good to me. Um, but I I I went into corporate strategy and we tried to we launch a small um brewing like contract brewing business called Naked Lion at the time. And um, you know, you can't get what the thing with making beer is you can't really get it out of your system. That's the problem, right? So I want to make beer, right? I I like making beer. Um and uh and you know and so that that was kind of where we ended up. So and that's how I mean it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean look, I I'm one of those people, man, like uh every every three to five years I'll rebuild my computer. Because, you know, computers I and uh to be honest with you, I mean there's a couple things that I just put in there a couple years back that are totally fine. There's one or two things I could probably adjust out, but um, it's like there's nothing around the world except me and the computer. I just zone out I and I enjoy it. I I don't know why I enjoy it. It's like you're putting this puzzle piece together that is very, very complex. And if you miss one step, the whole fucking thing doesn't work.
SPEAKER_03And then um, that's a lot like Megan Beer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. You know, it's it's about a lot of things in life too, right? Uh, you know, it's uh a lot of it's trial and error, but there's something about me, and I I think it's uh, you know, in a lot of people too, and I think entrepreneurs and it it's solving problems. And absolutely, you know, the wifey will tell you if if if something happens to my computer and say it just I blue screen or it crashes or something, it just won't turn on. I won't be able to go to sleep without thinking about it. I will wake up thinking about it. And I will need I'll be at work googling issues and and trying to see if other people had the same problems, and then I'll come home and I'll have to work on it. Because if I don't, it it will eat me inside. Um, and I I think that there's if you if if you're someone that likes to solve things, it it's just ingrained in you to have to get to the end. Because if you don't, it'll drive you fucking bad shit crazy.
SPEAKER_03No shit, man. I I I mean I agree, I agree with you a hundred percent, right? Um, I think you know, success is a very poor teacher, right? So when you when you fail, when you have to go figure it out, that's where you learn everything. So when I when I was a brewing supervisor on midnights, I wasn't learning anything when everything wasn't running like a you know a Swiss watch, right? It was when stuff crashed is when when you gotta dig in and figure out what went wrong. And so like I said, I you know, I I I really believe that you know there's this there's you know, there's a curiosity in in entrepreneurism, right? There's a curiosity that it's an itch you gotta scratch. And um so I I I understand what you're talking about when you rebuild that computer, right? And it it just it's gotta it's gotta work, right? And if it didn't work, right, that's when you learn something, right? It's not a y you you figured out how to fix it, you know, and that's that's when all the learning happens.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think, and that's that's part of what makes us human, you know. Um, and that's why I brought it up earlier about software, because it's always a lot of it's the software, man. It's so your fault. Yeah, no, it's not always your fault to a certain degree.
SPEAKER_03But so you know what I'm dealing with now is we're doing like so. My son and I have this this this business, and it's so we we're doing everything ourselves, right? It's just us two. So I'm doing AI prompts to try to generate videos, you know. And I've never done I've never done that before. You know, so I'm learning like it all of that is just and you again, you end up spending more time than you would ever expect and and not realize it because it's in a lot of ways it's it's so stimulating and and and fun, you know, to learn a new new skill or new learn a new challenge.
SPEAKER_00And anyway, it's it's uh AI is a is a fucking wild thing, Tony. Um have you have you played with uh Claude Cowork at all?
SPEAKER_03No, my son, my son Christian, who's my business partner, is is is is working in that and um he's he's blown away. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's it's and and I'll tell anyone listening to this, it is a wild thing. And I so I uh I I I'm an entrepreneur, right? So I have a couple businesses, and uh one of them is a collectibles collectibles business. So I'm also a degenerate gambler. I say degenerate, I'm I I don't have a problem. I haven't been to a meeting, but uh I like to we like to me and the wifey like to open Pokemon cards. It's just a fun thing that we do together. Um, but what I do is, you know, everything that we get, I categorize, I organized, I sleep, I put it in my inventory and I sell it. Yeah, you know, so we get to enjoy the experience and also I will make money back. So it's you know, a catch 22 in some cases, right? Because you're not always gonna get a great thing. Uh but what I did learn is I have a spreadsheet that I keep track of, my inventory that also keeps track of how much I'm spending, what my PL is, things like that. And I would but it's very rudimentary. Uh, you know, for me, I I would get it. But if I showed it to somebody else, they'd be like, what the fuck is this? You know, that's how all your Excel spreadsheets start, I feel like. Uh so I'm like, you know what? I need to I need to update my inventory uh because I'm behind like you know, 20 sales. It's weird in the collectibles world, man. You'll put stuff up, it won't sell, and then uh a month goes by and 20 things will sell on the same day. And sometimes at one point I was like, all right, I gotta chill because I put up 50 things and 30 things sold, and I'm just I'm doing it all myself, right? So you gotta put the shipping label, you gotta it's just it it and I got a full-time job on top of it. Yeah. Um so I take my my spreadsheet, I go to Claude Cowork, and I'm like, hey, I need you to redesign this spreadsheet. I need you to make it look better and make it make sense. I also need you to go on this website, I need you to log in. I need you to go to every transaction after the one that's already in my sheet. And I want you to plug in all of the information for the sales I got. And it said, all right, one, download the Claude core the Claude uh extension for Chrome. Done. It's like, okay, uh, make sure that the tabs open before you start. Done. Did it all in it probably took longer than you'd normally think because it's you know, it's going in, it's clicking on everything, taking the data, moving into Excel. But it did it in a couple minutes, not even and got all of the information. And that was after I already had it rebuild the entire uh worksheet. And it just blew my fucking mind. And it's we're at the infancy stage, Tony. We're right here. You know, this is like the birth of dot com and the internet.
SPEAKER_03I saw the article there was an article recently where a guy built his whole company with with AI and within a year, uh you know, was doing some coup some Several hundred million dollars worth of sales and stuff. It's crazy. Everything he built was exactly how you just described it. And it was all done with AI. And then, you know, so him and his brother are now running this company, but it's like two guys and a bunch of AI.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, and and we're at a uh a stage where AI agents are uh kind of at the forefront. This year is like the AI agent thing, right? You probably have seen Claude bot, which turned into some other things and because Claude got pissed off and uh turned into Molt bot, and then they created a social networking platform for these AI agents, and there was a whole bunch of crazy stuff. But AI agents are really cool because at the end of the day, I was actually um talking to a uh AI guy earlier today, and we were talking about this, and we are so early on. These these agents are going to be able to take a lot of this data and you should never have to worry about data entry. And if you have a data entry job right now, you should probably be working on your resume because at this point, AI is is doing everything it can, like what we're doing, what we're training it, to take the those medial tasks away from us, like transferring information from a website to an Excel spreadsheet or an Excel spreadsheet to another Excel spreadsheet. All of those things are just gonna go away because AI will be able to do it efficiently and very quickly. Like to a you know, when it gets it's gonna get to a certain point where it'll be instantaneous almost. Um I mean, ChatGBT, I don't know if you played with it, they just launched their 2.0 for their uh images. Fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_03Actually, I haven't tried any of it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If you have a subscription to Chat GBT, you should definitely mess with it. It it um I use Chat GBT to create all of my YouTube thumbnails. And uh in the very very early stages of the images, it was rough. Um to the point where I'm like, fuck it, I'm not using that. I'll do my I'll create my own. I'm I'm a pretty creative person. So I was doing my own and then eventually it got pretty good. Now it's it's it's pretty good. Like, um, let me see if I can I you know I'm not gonna share my screen because it's always a pain in the ass when I'm editing the video, but um you can you can do some really cool stuff. So like I could take an image of you and say, hey, this is Tony, right? I don't have any image. I could just take an image from from here. I say, hey, this is Tony. This is the name of the episode, which I already got from AI. Claude does all of my stuff, it creates the title with me. Um, it remembers the cool thing about Claude is you can download it. It's a program on your PC, it has memory. So anything that I talk to Claude about, it remembers from any past chat. And I just I I like the personality with Claude. I think Chat GBT is very yes, sir, no, sir. Like it gives you all the positives, whereas Claude will have a little bit more of a personality. Like, are you sure you want to do that? Um, like as a for instance, right? I'm um I I'm redoing my finances. And because I want I'm a tech guy, I want to get a Tesla. So I'm redoing my finances, and the wifey here was like, all right, stop buying more shit without paying off some of the old shit. So we we made a deal here where I gotta pay off some stuff and then I'm gonna I'll get the Tesla. Um, and so I had two credit cards I was working on, but I also owe the wifey some money, which is on my spreadsheet. And, you know, my money's her money, her money's my money, but we she got an emergency. Anyway, so it was on my spreadsheet to pay her. And I I you know, I said, Hey, you could take that off for now for the next three months. And and Claude goes, Are you sure about that? Uh, you know, not not paying, not paying back friends or family or business associates. It's not a great look. And goes into this stuff. And I'm like, that's pretty fucking cool that it would like kind of give me like a now. If I plugged it into Chat GPT, it's gonna be like, Yeah, here you go. Yeah, great job. You're doing you're doing great, you know. Claude's like, maybe you should think about making tour and I was arena tour. And she's like, she's like, oh, that's hilarious, you know, like it was making sure that I wasn't gonna be pissed off that you weren't paying me, you know. Um, but AI is just uh it's it's it's incredible.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It is. It's gonna take a lot of people's jobs. Yeah. Um, and who knows where we're gonna be in the next three to four years, but um, it's also gonna create a lot of jobs. It's gonna create a lot of time. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of people that's gonna have a lot more time on their hands.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's a that's a good point. You know, I I I I only dabble in it, so I'm not I'm not, you know, I'm not a I you know, I'm I'm not a good utilizer of tech, right? I've I've only recently got on Instagram because we got a business going, right?
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, um I hate insta I hate the social media shit, man. I have to use it.
SPEAKER_03I I'm you know, I I got on X recently, but I I've actually never really used it. So I you know, I'm trying to get myself. Um somebody wrote to me and said, you know, I I what did they say? I I said, well, you know, we were we're thinking about doing some media on on TikTok and I spelled TikTok wrong, right? And she corrected me. And she's she's like, dude, you gotta get with it because it's your age is really showing, you know. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, those, I mean, you'd be surprised though, man. You really don't need, you know, and and let's talk about your your company before we get into anything else, too, right? So um drink motion dot energy. Um, you know, what one, where did the idea come from? Um, you know, I know you're working with family, that's always an interesting thing. So you get talk a little bit about the dynamic there. Um, and and why not an uh an alcoholic beverage since that's what you've been used to. Did you challenge yourself there? But talk a little bit about it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um well the inspiration for the the the brand or the I for energy um came from it was uh I guess it was almost six years ago now. My son, um, who's now 37, um he and his wife were his wife was going into labor with their first child. So they're in the hospital at two in the morning. He goes down to get some caffeine. And he's not really a coffee drinker, so of course he goes to reach for an energy drink in the um hospital gift shop or wherever it is, and it is a you know, neon colored, you know, candy, cotton candy flavored something, right? Yeah, and he's about to pick it up and he's like, Who the hell am I? What am I doing? I'm about to be a dad, and I'm gonna drink a cotton or a candy flavored energy drink, you know? And he realized he had outgrown the the um that market. And so we fast fast forward you know a couple of weeks and he's telling me the story, and I'm like, you know what? Well, we could make an energy drink, you know, we could make it so that it is a uh you know, uh we we could be the adults in the room, right? Instead of marketing to 16 to 24 year old males, you know, testosterone and and you know, and you know, uh skydiving out of uh uh you know from outer space and you know, let's just make it like for for everyday people, right? So that was how it started. Um and we we so motion um was the hardest, you know. So I'm a formulator and you know, uh had been in alcohol my whole life. And but this was an idea that you know, we like we think it's got legs, right? Maybe, you know, you go where you go where where life takes you. So that's so we started to talk through this concept, and it became um the formulation worked great. You know, I I knew what we wanted to do. This was during COVID, right? So when we first first started talking about this. And so we, you know, we said, let's do something with immunity and energy. And and so I said, Well, you know, when I was a kid, my mom, that little four foot ten Filipino woman that I was telling you about, Karina, she was if I was sick, she was a fucking witch doctor, right? So like if I if I got sick, she'd be whipping out the echinacea, the ginseng, the elderberry, you know, and I'd be taking all this shit. And it worked. And so we said, you know what, let's do an Eastern medicine approach. We'll use, you know, my my mother's approach to when when I was a kid, all of those ingredients got into this formulation. And so we went with a whiteboard. We said, okay, what what are the functional benefits that we want somebody to to get out of our energy drink? Said, well, immunity, antioxidants, and so forth. What are the ingredients that we need to get there? And what are the what are the minimum amounts of those ingredients in order to give uh the the benefit? Because one of my pet peeves is there's a lot of shit in energy drinks today that is you know, unnecessary and maybe harmful, right? So and and so I did I I wanted to to do the opposite.
SPEAKER_00That's cool, man. I look, I am um I am energy drink clean. I haven't had an energy drink for I think four years. Uh maybe three. It's three or four years. Um but I was drinking two energy drinks every day. Uh sometimes more, sometimes three for twenty years. Probably uh because I'm not a coffee guy either, and I still am. I I can't, I I think the only thing I can have is an espresso martini and and enjoy it, but I've done everything I could. By the time I was drinking the coffee at the end, it was an abomination. It wasn't really coffee. You know, my friends can drink black.
SPEAKER_03More like uh ice cream coffee.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, it was it was one, it was definitely way unhealthier for me than just drinking a zero calorie energy drink. And um, I flopped around, man. I did Red Bull for a long time, but Red Bull's a rich man's energy drink, you know. So then uh, you know, I did I did Jolt Cola for a while. I loved Jolt Cola, man.
SPEAKER_03That was one of my favorite Joel was around when I was in college. I I drank that.
SPEAKER_00When they brought it back, it was in the I don't know if you remember this, it was in a giant can that was in the shape of a battery. No, it was a uh it was huge, and I would drink those and they were so they were so good. I was a lot younger then. So I could drink two of those, like that with then they had 250 calories or whatever, or somewhere zero, and be totally fine. But um, they were they were so good. And then, you know, ultimately I drank monster probably the most for for for a lot of that. But um I ended up I I was like, all right, I'm 35, I gotta start to think healthier. And people knew me as the energy drink guy. It was like a thing, you know. So I stopped. And when I stopped something, I typically I go cold turkey and I just stop it. Yeah. Um, and I actually thought I was going blind. So I stopped drinking it. And I thought maybe I had diabetes or something that I didn't know. So I stopped drinking energy drinks and I was fine. I didn't even get a headache. Uh, and then like two days later, I'm driving home from work and I wear contacts, like I'm blind as shit. And with my contacts in, everything is blurry. Like I can't read the driver's license plate in front of me. I can't read stop signs, like just signs in general. So I'm freaking the fuck out. I call the wife, I'm like, I think I have diabetes, I think I'm dying, I'm going blind, going blinds in like my top three of things that I don't want to fail uh getting older. And so I go to my, I go to my eye doctor, he tests everything. He's like, dude, they're your eyes are healthy as all can be. Did you make any recent dietary changes? And I'm thinking, I'm like, well, I stopped drinking energy drinks a couple days ago. And he goes, bang, that's it. Brings his laptop in, sits it on the counter. He's like, typing in. He's like, Yeah, I just read a story not too long ago about its effects on your eyes. And he's like, just so you know, you've been drinking this for 20 years, your eyes have been coked up like this for this long. And what happened was is it actually improved your vision because of how long you were doing it. He's like, when you did, when you stopped drinking it, they eased up. So my my vision got four clicks worse in each eye. And then uh he told me, you know, obviously keep doing what you're doing. He's like, you should normalize. So eventually, maybe a month later, maybe two months, it normalized to two clicks worse in each eye. So that's where my actual prescription got worse. I had to get all new glasses and an all new contacts prescription. Wow. So I'm not against energy drinks at all. I just caution people when they're drinking stuff, especially. I mean, you look at some of the labels of these, man. I mean, it's it's appalling. Some of the like, oh, B vitamins and this and that, and you know, look, there's 2,000 milligrams. And it's like, you don't I didn't need 800 milligrams of caffeine every day. I didn't need that, but my body sure had it.
SPEAKER_03No, that's I mean, what you're talking about is exactly what we were talking about back when we started looking at this, because you know, there's there's a you know, this this availability bioavailability of the nutrients that you take in, right? And so if if if you are oh you know, who needs a thousand percent of the US RDA of anything, right? Because in the amount of time that it spends in your body, you can't metabolize that, right? And so a lot of it is just being pissed out. And so we s you know, look when we will, you know, when when I said to my son Christian, look, if we're gonna do this, I'm I'm I I want to be able to look Rob in the face and be able to say, you know, this is this isn't overdosing on anything, and this is like a cup and a half a cup. So this is like a cold coffee, right? Instead of all this other shit. And that and so that's that's how that's our approach.
SPEAKER_00So what's been uh what's it been like? Um, you know, how has it come to fruition?
SPEAKER_03Like have you uh run into any struggles against those uh elephants in the room, your Red Bulls and monsters and Yeah, you know, it's it's early days for us, and you know, they now they I you know right now they don't know about us or you know um we're we we just went into production, um finished production in November of last year. So we did our small run and so we're online, we sell in some mom and pops, and you know, um here I live on Cape Cod. He lives in um outside of LA in uh in Orange County, and so we're you know, this like this bi-coastal approach to things. Um and in the beverage industry, what's interesting, and then if there are some beverage folks on the on the line or on on watching your podcast, there's there are resets that happen that are really important to be in front of, right? We knew because I you know, because I had been in the beverage industry for as long as I had, I knew that we had missed a reset by the time we went into production. So we we wanted, you know, we were taking this time. So what happens is this summer, all of the big stores and they make their decisions for for next year, this summer. And so when we started our production in, you know, last fall, last winter, we knew we had missed a reset for 2026. And so we're online at Amazon, we've got our own website, we're in some mom and pops, but we're getting ready to try to get into those conversations this summer so that we can try to get into some of the retailers.
SPEAKER_00That's awesome, man. I know that's not an easy convo. I definitely know that's not an easy convo, but hey, there's always like a a shark tank. Get yourselves on some shark tank, man. I'll I'll watch that shit in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um and we are self-funded, so you know, they're there they're you know, we we gotta be careful about how we spend our capital and you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, at least you don't have to answer to anybody, right? At the end of the day, I think that's the fun thing about uh being a business owner. You don't have anyone to answer to but yourself. So, you know, I always tell people, uh, this has the been the best year of my podcast, but I'm at year four. It's taken me, you know, a long time to get here. And so when I have podcasters on that have just started or they're I try to give them as much advice as possible because I think it's like it's the crazy number is like 10 and then I think it's 10 and 25. So if you make it past um most podcasts fail I think before episode 10. Like they just yeah, and then 25 is like longevity. So I'm at like 160, I think. So but I it's taken a long time to get here, and I learned a lot along the way, right? And then it's the same thing with the collectibles business, especially paying the tax man, you know, that's always fun. Um but there's just something fun about being your own boss and being able to make those decisions without having to uh, you know, um check and ask. It's it's almost like like asking to take a vacation day at work is always just yeah, it's a weird thing, you know. But it's the same concept, right? You know, if you guys decide you want to sell to Costco, you could do that. You know, you can make that decision without having to, you know, and then but then once you get investors or uh you know someone with money involved, then then you have to run things by them, and it kind of takes a little bit of the fun out, I'd imagine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. You know, it's it's it's it's so true, right? I mean, so this is my son. He's the kid that was, you know, that my wife and had my wife my wife had when we were in college, right? And so he's now my business partner. Right. So we've come a long way, right? So he knows how to call bullshit on me, I call bullshit on him. But half of our time when we spend it, it's it's can I can I get this kid to laugh, right? Is is that like we if we're we're trying to make each other laugh with ideas and you know, so and and so this is a funny story. So for April Fool's, we put out a um uh we punked, we punked a new system, right? And we said that we were coming out with a durian flavored energy drink.
SPEAKER_00And I don't know if you oh no, you know what's I watch a lot of the watch a lot of the food network and I've learned what Durian is, yes.
SPEAKER_03So we we said we were coming out with the world's first durian flavored energy drink and part of my Asian heritage, right? So we so it got picked up by like 900 news outlets, the Manila Times picked it up, right? So that was like a personal win for me, right? So, anyways, it's part of it. This was right after the McDonald's CEO had done the the video of the big arch, right? So Christian, who's actually got an MBA, but he's also got a master's in film production and so forth. So he's like, I'll do a video of me doing the tasting of the durian. And he's he's like, I'll do a spoof of the McDonald's video, right? I said, okay. So I package up carbonated water form. We had cans printed in everything, right? So it's got a durian can. So this is our this is our this is our uh this is my blueberry pomegranate can, but we had one I love your marketing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I love I love all your website's really great too.
SPEAKER_03I was saying he's he's the guy. Yeah, that's really good.
SPEAKER_00Tell him, tell him I said it's it's a really well done website.
SPEAKER_03So we we had durian cans printed up and everything. So I fill them with carbonated water and I send them out to him, and he's gonna do the video. And I and I'm like, I only got a couple of them, so don't waste these fucking things, you know. And so he's so he goes to open it up. What I didn't tell him is that I also spiked it with mama lamb's hot Malaysian sauce, right? So so he's tasting and he realizes that I'm fucking with him in the middle of his video, you know?
SPEAKER_00That is so good. Um could you not? That was like perfect, yeah, perfect.
SPEAKER_03It was it was it was priceless. So, anyways, that's that's so the you know, but that's how you know we get to do that kind of stuff, right?
SPEAKER_00So it's that is awesome, man. Well, look, um, I didn't get to 90% of the shit I was gonna bring up because it was a good interview. I always tell people anytime I don't get to all my list, we had fun. Uh, but look, do me a favor, plug away. Tell me um where can everybody find your stuff, your website, your content, anything else you guys are doing in the near future you think we should know about.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, thanks, Rob. I you know, sorry if I was long winded, by the way.
SPEAKER_00Um, dude, dude, I I listen, if I'm the one driving the convo the whole time, it's it's it it taxes me sometimes. I love when people Talk and we get some fun out of it. It's it's it's why I love doing it to be honest.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Um we were available online at Amazon. Um so under you know you can type in motion, motion energy, M O T E A N so M with Ocean. Um and then um we're also available on our our website, uh www.drinkmotion.energy. And that's the whole thingode.com after that. Um and uh again, we're we're just getting going. We'd love the we'd love um for people to try it and to leave us some reviews and we'd really appreciate the support you've given us and um enjoyed the enjoyed the conversation.
SPEAKER_00Awesome, man. Well thank you so much. Uh my podcast is drink a clockpod on all socials. Um you'll you'll enjoy this one because it's drinkaclock.beer for my website. And uh this web this will be out before you know it. And uh look, man, I appreciate the combo. And let's do this again soon when you guys are uh big time, when Ann Eiser Busch buys you guys.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, from your lips to God's ears.
SPEAKER_00So have a good night, Tony.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye.
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