Death Is Just One Dimension Over

What if every great idea you've ever had was whispered to you from somewhere just outside our dimension?

This week's guest is a systems engineer with more than 20 patents, a medical device designer behind dozens of commercialized products, and the man who built an IV fluid factory in 18 months, finishing one month before Hurricane Helene knocked out 60% of the U.S. supply. He's also a near-death experience survivor who spent 20 years silently trying to understand what happened to him.

We get into the jog that ended with him dead on arrival, the cold ice protocol that brought him back, and the funeral plot his family had already purchased. From there the conversation goes places: consciousness as something separate from the brain, interdimensional beings and the orbs in the sky, the Catholic Mass as a time-collapse event, the three wise men possibly following a UFO, and the ancient pyramids as 19 hertz resonance chambers.

We also dig into his debut novel The Weight of a Dog, why a bulldog ended up on the cover, and the hidden gold key on his website that unlocks the science behind the story.

Alex Lucio's Website: alexlucio.me

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:36

So this is week three of me having issues with technology, being the tech guy. All the people at work would make fun of me because they consider me the tech guru, I guess. But anyway, this is the Drink a Gog podcast. I'm your host, Rob Valencius, and I have the absolute pleasure of having Alex Lucio with me. Now, Alex, you're an engineer, an inventor, and an author. Welcome to the show, man.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Yeah, so look, um, before we get into the crazy stuff, give me your background story up until the point where you had that near-death experience. Yeah, what what where'd you grow up? What was life like? And you know, and then we'll kind of work into the fun stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Um, I I grew up in South Florida. Um, spent my whole life in Florida, a few years in Louisiana. Uh parents uh spent four years in New Orleans, which was interesting. Came back, um, was a computer science major in computer engineering. Um started my career off as a systems engineer with Motorola. Um and and I would say I kind of divide, it's it's funny that the near-death experience is more talked about in my 60s than when it happened. Um primarily because I refused to talk about it for 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Um like all of us that have traumatic events, we're just like, yeah, I'm just yep, especially men, we tend to bury shit real deep.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

You know, it it also, you know, there there was a sideway, which is, you know, I have I think 20, 20 something patents. And and all of that is post-NDE. And and I linked the two. Um, and I that's that's why, you know, I I I joke in the conference room that I'm the crazy man of the company, I'm allowed to be. Um and the the reason that I I give myself that title is I don't think I I came up with an idea of myself at all. So it's you know, I I I kind of spent the last 20 years trying to understand what happened to me. And uh, you know, that gets me into consciousness and death and life and and all of that stuff. And then I'm a I'm a medical device designer. So I'm on the nexus of life and death and farm, whether it's pharmaceutical, which is the factory I just built, or the devices that I designed and commercialized. But I'm always obsessed and I find myself obsessed with death. And you know, if you go to my my personal website, my branding, my portfolio site, it's it's the commercialization of 26 medical devices in a very short period of time. It's invention across different fields, um, respiration and ventilation, then oxygen, then disinfection. And then I jump entirely into a totally different area, pharmaceutical, of which I have no experience in design an automated robotic system. And then from there I jump into writing fantasy. So I said it's a it's a it's a weird, it's a weird jump of areas. And to me it's logical, but to everybody else, it's insanity. And so the uh and I think that makes me certifiably a crazy man.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Well, I mean, as humans though, let's be honest. Like, you know, do you ever really end up exactly where you thought you were gonna end up? Because I gotta tell you, I mean, growing up, I I had very different perspective of of where life would take me. And every time you you think you know, life's like you know, like like Dekembe Mutumbo, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Yeah, it's that saying, if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans. Yeah. And it's it's so true. Yeah, the the but the but the more planning you do, the more frustration you'll have in life. You you kind of I kind of viewed it this way. You you you do all this prep and planning. And you need it to because that was required to get you to the next step, but the next step is no correlation to where you thought it would be.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

You know, yeah, yeah, and and look, I work I work in the Medicare world. So I I I I uh deal with seniors every day. Uh and as a 39-year-old, I probably think about death way more often than your average 39-year-old because I deal with it all the time. I see it, you know, and I see the struggles that uh that a lot of these people are having, and and they're built on living on these pharmaceuticals, and that's what's keeping them, you know, alive. Some of them alive. I know some people that are 78, 80, and they're totally fine. They walk, they go outside, they're you know, personable, they have their mind, and then you have others that are, you know, 65, 70 that need to be in a home. And they, you know, they have no, you know, there's a lot of craziness involved in in like seniors and um you know the the medical world. So I'm sure you deal with or you see some of that.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

You know, and to me, that that drives into purposeful purposefulness and you know where what what gives what gives meaning to life generally. Um, you know, because seeing, and that's an interesting thought because the whole dementia Alzheimer's angle gets into kind of how I view, you know, I I remember, you know, I've had these conversations with my wife, and I would say, you know, you're not in your brain. She's like, Well, what do you mean? And I said, you know, her name's Esther, and I'd say, Esther's not here. And she's like, What do you mean? And I said, Well, I I could, I could, I could take a cauterizing iron and take out portions of your brain. It doesn't stop you from being here. And she and that that that's kind of like where the wildness of my near-death experience took took me, which is the I I I I developed a certain servitude that Alex wasn't here. Alex exists regardless of what's here. And that's, I mean, I I spent 20 years just everything I could read on consciousness, on uh near-death experiences, and I I was obsessed by it. I would never talk about it openly because, you know, in the world I'm in, you know, professionally, it would diminish me. Um, you know, the you you don't get a lot of professional recognition for saying, hey, I woke up with this idea and I have no idea where it came from. But literally, it's it's the story of my the last half, the second half of my life, which is I wake up in the morning with a notepad, and I sometimes have pretty well-developed ideas the moment I wake up. And and I, you know, I don't want to, I'm not, I don't consider myself mystical in that sense, but you know, you start reading up on that experience. You know, you get into the the music, in particular the artists who say that, you know, uh a Brahms or a Beethoven who writes in a journal, I saw the whole symphony. And and I never, you know, I I never artists, that's fine. You like artists are supposed to be weird like that. But for me to have an experience like that was worrisome. I mean, I literally I I didn't know, you know, I would do MRIs on myself and you know what changed and what happened. And and now I just accept that I get crazy ideas. And if the idea is crystallized enough to where I can see it, I can build it. And if I see it where I can build it, I charge at it because I feel somehow the universe wants me to. And and that has led me to do some really crazy things that turned out to be I really think the universe needed me to do this. And I yeah, I'll watch, I'll walk you through a really recent example of that if you want me to.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Um Yeah, yeah, yeah. But before you go into it, can you so the near-death experience happened in 2009? Correct. And I know you say you don't remember, but is there anything like, do you know what happened to you? Um, you know, and and what was that experience like before we kind of go into some of the other stuff?

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Um I went for a jog that morning.

unknown 9:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

And um, from an eyewitness, I I usually finished a a jog with a sprint. It was kind of like something I always did was get my heart rate at max. And the last hundred yards of a two-mile run would be full sprint. And the bystander uh who watched it said he didn't understand why I just decided to jump into the air and land to the face. And the reason for that is that you have forward momentum and your brain stops. You know, so you're you're running, so you have the velocity, the momentum, and you just pop and your legs fall out. It looks like each ar because you're literally free-falling down on the pavement. And you can't see it on the camera, but this maybe you can. This scar is where I landed. Oh wow. You can kind of see it a little bit. A little bit. I and I have a so I I arrive at the um Advent Health Hospital in downtown Orlando, and they admit me, well, they don't admit me, they they bring me in uh um DOA that on arrival. Um so so my emergency room entry is sudden death. And, you know, whether you want to bring faith into a conversation or not, is I was the first patient, let's say, to Florida, who was frozen. And they brought my internal, they call it uh cold ice, I think, or coat ice. And they bring your internal body temperature down to two degrees above freezing, um, so that you don't it can't be at zero because then you form ice crystals. So to prevent the formation of ice crystals, it's two, it's a few degrees above the freezing point. And the purpose of that is, and the research on that was the people who would fall on the frozen lakes and be there for two hours and could be revived. And that those experiences you know led to the the development of a this protocol. So I was a according to the nurse, I don't know that you know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is not, but according to the nurse, I was the first patient, at least within the Advent Health System, and she believed I was the first patient in Florida that was done on that. But they they had yeah, that so um what's it what's fascinating is both my brothers are physicians, and my middle brother has is on staff at that hospital. So he's he's sitting at the terminal going through my MRI and the never talking to the neurologist. And I had um I was it was a pure vegetative coma. So I'm I'm the only the only recommendation from neurology was discontinued life support. And because the you know that what was said to my family was that if I did come out of it, I would spend the rest of my life in a nursing home in a wheelchair drill drooling down my chin without recognition of anybody. That's that was that was my future. And can't trust doctors, that's for sure. Well, it went so far that my um they had purchased the funeral plot next to my pick my parents.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

And the the the contact, my brother's wife has a family member who's involved in a funeral home. And the so the the funeral home arrangements were made, the burial plot was made, and the decision to discontinue life support on this particular day was made. And that morning I opened my eyes and I extivated myself, setting off the alarm in the nurse's station. Of which everyone said, What do you you know, did you see a tunnel? Did you see a light? Did you no saw nothing? No, nothing. Right. Um but there are marks of that experience. Um the the dreaming, the the the waking up with an idea, or isn't something I can ever remember happening before the near-death experience. Uh my balance is cut is off. Um and I and I'm an insomniac, whereas before I before the near-death experience, I had no problem sleeping, immediately after, a lot of problems sleeping. Um so I I, you know, there there were physiological changes from the brain injury, no doubt. Um but I had no recollection of what happened. And everybody's like, did you see, did you, did you see a little tunnel of light? Or I'm like, nope, nothing. Zero memory. But I you know, I I would tell you I know for a fact that event changed me because I I have this preoccupation with the nexus of life and death that has persisted. Um I've had this obsession with time in general. You know, in fact, if you look at the at the invention history, everything is everything is frantic and rushed. One device, next device, next device, next device, next device, build a factory, move. And you know, somebody said, you know, every every single move since then is its own career. You know, most people develop a company that builds CPAP equipment, and that's a career. And I I jump every device to device to device to device to device, and it's always a sense of impending timeline and deadline. And I don't know where the where the I mean, I guess psychologically I could say touching death makes me aware of the finality of life, maybe. Um, but I do feel like whenever I get an idea that I I I see it in crystal clarity, associated with that is always this urge sense of urgency that I have to do it, have to do it, have to do it, and has to be done now. And and that makes me feel weird because weird things happen when that happens. And I can I can and I don't like to talk about it, and for 20 years I've never talked about it. Um, but I I'll just, you know, I I could give you that the last example is building an IV factory.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, hit us with the hit us with that.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

Yeah, so I I sell 3B Medical, which is the company I built, which is where I commercialize most of the med devices. And I get an idea that I have to build an IV fluid factory. And and and that's that's an insanity because I have no experience in pharmaceutical manufacturing. I I have no nexus to pharmaceu pharmaceutical operation. I don't know anything about it. I'm the last person who should think I could build an automated factory. Um, and yet I I I actually can see it in my head, and I know exactly what I want. And I start sketching it, you know, I see the building, I I can see the line in my head. And now I'm now I'm building to fulfill an image that I can see. And I I I can't explain that, but I'll tell you what happened when I did it. So I got the certificate of occupancy in March of um 2000. This is 26, 25, 24. March of 24, um, I get certificate of occupancy, and and because I'm rushed, I don't know why I'm rushed, but I'm rushed. I'm literally building out the production line on a concrete slab and building the walls at the same time around it, and then putting the roof on. And and wow, and everyone told me four to five years to build a pharma facility, I did it in 18 months. And and it and it and I had this sense that I had to do it. And the weird thing about that is Hurricane Helene strikes in September. And Hurricane Helene takes out the number one Ivy factory in the United States. It's in um North Cove, North Carolina, Baxter Healthcare. And I literally completed the factory. I I mean the dates are just it's in the public record, the newspaper articles. I literally complete the factory one month before the Baxter facility gets taken down. And the United States healthcare system gets thrown into a whirlwind because that's 60% of the IV fluid made in the United States. So I was rushing for a reason, but Lord knows where where I knew that reason was coming from. And I didn't make the best line, which is what frustrated me because of the the whole government permitting the licensure part of it. But I I did have it finished just in time. And I can't.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

I can't. I have a good friend of mine who I respect a lot. Um, he's a physician. But that that's that's one example. And he says, he uses, he used the expression, Alex, you're the only guy I know who has caught lightning in his hand three times. And I don't know how you do it. You know, that was that conversation was only a year ago, and I wasn't willing to even talk about the subject then. I didn't get to the point where I was comfortable even discussing the near-death experience pretty much until I finished building the IV fluid plant, and I've kind of already retired from it. Um, because I think the retiring from that project gave me the freedom to now it's like, you know, I can I can openly say I'm a crazy man and it doesn't matter. Because, you know, I mean, you can call me crazy all day long, but crazy successful makes sense for crazy crazy. So I, you know, but but I don't know where that comes from. And I I I don't have a logical reason for it. And um, you know, unless you want to get into the mystics, mystical side of near-death experiences and what maybe maybe planting your toe in heaven and what that does. I don't know. I I don't have any, I don't have answers to any of that.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Yeah, I mean, by the typically by the time you do, uh, you can't tell anybody. You know, uh, at least with your mouth and and have a conversation about it. Um, you know, it's funny, I I mention this all the time. So, you know, this podcast has been around for about four years now. And I think in the first year, maybe it was the first year and a half, I had a death duel on my show. And um, you know, because I deal with death a lot, and you know, obviously one of the questions I ask, if if death comes up, I always tend to ask people, well, what are your thoughts? What do you think happens when you die? And uh the death duel, uh, I mentioned this a couple times, but it just fucking freaks me out because she's just like, Do you remember when you were in the womb? And I'm like, No, or anything before that. I'm like, no. She's like, that's what I think happens when you die. And I'm like, oh, that is not what I thought you were gonna say. I thought you were gonna have some like sunshine and rainbow shit, you know. Um, but I also read a couple books on uh death and uh spirituality, like in terms not not like the you know uh Jesus and God and Christianity and all that, but like spirituality, right? Well, your soul. And uh, you know, a doctor uh I I talked about this in the past too, but a doctor had, you know, uh put people into hypnosis and they were talking about their past lives and they were going into crazy amounts of detail and they kind of detailed the you know uh hierarchy structure of of the way things are when you when you go. And uh, you know, as I've started to age, you think about it more, right? And I I I I haven't really defined what my thoughts are, but I feel like, you know, and this you can tell me what you think, right? I think there's definitely something after what it is, I don't know. Um, I do think that a lot of the things that we do here, you know, there there's a purpose that we have. And I don't think we know it. Some people might, right? And they do it. Uh, but I think a lot of us don't know our purpose. And I think that that, you know, there's a lot of things that we, you know, came back to accomplish or in this life are supposed to accomplish. And if you don't, you know, it's kind of you go back, you review your life. You come back and you have that purpose again and you try to do it or whatever the case is, right? Um I think that's kind of where I'm at right now. But I I also think that, you know, there's definitely got to be a a being that created all this or set everything in motion. Do I know what that is? No. But, you know, you see religion and um, you know, you see Christianity and Hinduism and all that. And ultimately, at the end of the day, right, there's a there's something. There's a uh, you know, a godlike figure that created these things. So a lot of these major religions, that's what they kind of fall on. Now, if you get into Greek mythology, it's a little different. I know you did your your uh you know kind of uh studies for 20 years. So hit us, man. Like, what do you think happens? Like what what along your studies would you run into? Do you know?

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Um I I was on an interview the other day, and you know, sometimes you have to be careful because you can get incredibly repetitive on stuff sometimes, the more you keep talking the stories. But um, I brought up it came out, and the the uh podcaster mentioned the interdimensional nature of NHIs. And you know, because there are two camps. The the kind of like the Spielberg movie coming out next week, which is the they're from outer space, the lights in the sky, they're scary, and they're we don't know what they're what they're about. Yeah. And then you have the uh Congresswoman um Luna and the Polina Luna, who is in the congressional hearings, and she comes out and she calls them interdimensional. And that that's a little bit more interesting to me because I actually think the well, I'll separate, I'll I'll get into the near death and death, but before I do, I'll I'll get into this whole UFO NHI stuff. And I I there's a to me, at least it's the way I connect dots, they're linked together. And I think them this way. And I look at the microbial life, and even the insect life, and you know, the varieties are in the tens of thousands. And I do think I I am a I do firmly fall in the camp of there is a god, just because the the the notion of not being a god with the level of the increasing level, not having a god requires um that you don't have irreducible complexity the farther off you go and the smaller you go. And yet the smaller you go, you find increased complexity. You know, the cellular level, mitochondria and whatever, even to genetics. You know, I think the the notion that that life could be simplistically defined originated when the idea that people thought of cells as simple structures. And they just thought that you kept increasingly getting more complex as you evolved. And and the record's actually the opposite of that, which is you have this incredible complexity that actually becomes more complex the the smaller you go. So you even get into quantum and and you know, or or you know, you talk about what's required for sight, and and you find that the systems get more complex than the smaller you go, even to the microscopic and submicroscopic, you get into incredible complexity. So from that, I I I I you know, my my takeaway from that is that everything I learned in say growing up, that you had this evolutionary system that added the complexity and you started from a simple cell, well that goes out the window because that that's no longer factually tenable as a position, logically. That takes that takes an incredible amount of fantasy. So then you're left with, okay, so the universe is more complex, and the smaller in scale you go from the macro to the micro, the more complex, not the less. And then that does require a creative mind. And then even getting into the genetic code, which is now clearly a logical construct, it's a program that you can manipulate. And the danger there is, of course, men learned how to manipulate it, so that you end up with some crazy things going on. But even that speaks to the fact that you literally the code of life is code. And and that that at that point, the the idea that you have random, random things happening that somehow, you know, coincided into life forming, is I I I just think that requires magic. And and I, you know, that that's a step too far for me. I actually think the God idea becomes the far more logical um way to frame it. You know, and um then I, you know, one of the books I read a while back, which has fascinated me as a thought experiment, was a little tiny book, uh, not more than a quarter of an inch thick, called Flatland. Have you ever heard of it? No, no, no. So it's it's kind of a written in the late 1800s. Um, I forgot the author's name, but it's it's a it's a pretty interesting thought experiment. It wasn't written that way, but I read it that way. And it it basically um you know takes a lambda two-dimensional, it's flat, and it gets visited by a three-dimensional being. And, you know, if you just consider the notion of a not a great cube, but assume this is a cube. Yeah, and the cube is passing a plane. When the cube touches the plane, it's a point. As the cube traverses the plane, it becomes a rectangle that becomes larger and larger and larger and larger as you get to the middle, and then becomes smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and then vanishes as a point. And from there, you know, I deduce that one of the one of the hallmarks of an interdimensional being intersecting a lower dimension is that the you are defying the laws of physics and changing physical shape and disappearing. And that fits to me a lot of the NHI phenomena. You know, in and out of our existence, in and out of our existence, that to me is interdimensionality. Then you have the recovered space programs, which to me are totally different because whoever's interdimensional doesn't need a spacecraft with landing lights. That notion is is is so in my head, and I I don't know where this goes, and I I could be as foolish as an expert, but I I I got really deep into the phenomena, and I separated the orbs from everything else. And and in my or in my mind, at least the way I connect the dots, the orbs are the supernatural element, they're the interdimensional passageways. And the the lights in the sky, I'm I'm skeptical of just because I also the so what's on the back wall is a series of patents, if something like 26 of them, it's what I do, and and I spend a lot of time on the patent database. And you know, one of the quirkiest things is if you do that, if you just watch Star Trek and you take all of the concepts from Star Trek, Orb Drive, Any Gravity, um, you know, uh everything that that that spaceship enterprise does, you could literally find a patent for it. And the patents are assigned to Lockheed Martin, Northrop, and Raytheon. And I read patents for a living sometimes, and I read those, and I'm like, this is so weird, because um you you could run a pretty intensive side op on an invasion scenario just using the patented technology that I think is reverse-engineered by North Rock, Lockheed, and Raytheon. And so then playfully, I'm like, okay, the lights in the sky, I don't believe that. The orbs and the NHI is interdimensional from Analuna congressional testimony. I believe that. That to me is the authentic NHI experience. And I think it's being masked in some part. And this is just my tinfoil hat on and all that kind of stuff. I think the lights in the sky are mostly us um trying to deceive us from the interdimensional variety of NHI. So I think there's this tech NHI, recovered, reverse-engineered, uh, extraterrestrial life, because I think the universe is teeming with life anyway. And I think you have these, that's not the supernatural element of NHI, and I think they coexist. And then you get to, you know, in that congressional hearing, they bridled the book of Enoch. And I so I ordered it and read it. And uh, and and the book of Enoch is interesting because it defines this whole Watchers concept, and um, and that's kind of I think where the where the congresswoman was coming from, more trying to understand it in a spiritual way. I think, I think, I think all of that is true. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I think there is a, you know, that the inner an interdimensional entity is a spiritual entity. Because an interdimensional entity is in your reality and right next to you, and you don't even know it. Right? I mean, where is where is 5D? It's in front of you, it's in you, it's by you. And, you know, I go back to that book, Flatland, and you know, what are the, you know, take take your I was you know, take the notions, uh, let's let's take the notion of Christian God, which is that the the God is outside of time, outside of space, and all knowing. And, you know, you think about what those properties are, and that is a dimensional, but those are those are attributes of higher dimensionality in this way. Now you take a peanuts comic strip, and to the character in the comic strip, his future is the next pain over. He doesn't know it until he gets it. To the reader, you're looking down at the comic strip. You know, he sees past, you see his present, you see his future, like that. Because being outside of that dimension gives you the benefit of being able to see everything in that lower dimension. You can you can put your hand, an ant going to a maze doesn't know his future. You look into the maze as a as outside it, and you see a spider ahead of him, you know exactly what the ant's future is. And it's not magic, it's dimensionality. And in my mind, there was no separation between spiritual realm, because I think the spiritual realm is just a different way of calling the dimensional realm. And and and so that that's kind of how I pieced that together. And then the the last component of that is what is consciousness. Who are you? Where are you? And I near death experiences inform me that um that's dimensional. And so what is death? Where was where was I for three days? I was right here, and and I just wasn't, you know, here. But I was still around. I mean, I didn't cease to exist. My brain had zero activity, so I'm flatlined, I have no brain, but I existed. And I'm pretty sure I existed because I can't still here. That forces you to kind of think, okay, well, what who are who are you? Where are you? And then if I wasn't here for three days, and I was still right here, that's near death, right? And and I can only, I could only logically, the only logical construct for that for me was a dimensional one. And that dimensional one lends itself to a spiritual one because I think the spiritual people and the people talking interdimensionally are talking about the same thing. And then I think life and death literally becomes being raised to so if you if you know, I think it was um one of the ZUFOLists, Bob Lazar, who said the according to him, and you could take that as far as you want, and yeah, I don't know. I think probably smoking marijuana helps in these.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

So ayahuasca, you know.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Well, Bob Bob Lazar said that an alien told him they referred to humans as containers of souls. And I kind of like that um because it it gave me, it actually gave me a visualization of what I was thinking, which is that consciousness, you know, has to reside. It has to re there has to be a receiving side of it, which is who you are. But there that's not your, you're not, it's not your origin, and it's not your end. And if it's not your origin, it's not your end, then death, death folds really neatly into this. Because then, you know, I know I know you know you usually it's not a great idea to start discussing scripture because you don't know where everybody is, but there is there is one line um in the New Testament which fascinates me. Because nobody in, you know, you say religion, nobody, nobody in religion mentions it. But of all things, it's the line that that kind of had me, I got excited about it. Um uh, therefore we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses. And and you know, every everybody who who's a really strong believer reads that and just like okay. I read that and I'm like, whoa cloud of witnesses, they're right here, they are right here. Because I I I see death as being right next to the present, just one dimension removed. And then and then what is death? I think it's ascension to that dimension. And what is birth? It's descension into your form. And that kind of wrapped it all up pretty neatly for me. And then I had a model, and that was the model I went with. It was the model that allowed me to impose a logical construct over life and death that made sense to me. And that framework actually informed the kind of the novel a little bit, the science fiction part of it, which is how an NHI, you know, in the novel, I refer to the fact that ancient civilizations and all of humanity is being guided by a whisper campaign. And uh, and and that is informed by my kind of my idea of waking up with ideas. Then I started to form a an entire worldview, that the leaders of our world, the inventors, the musicians, wake up with ideas and nobody knows who's giving them the idea. And that's why I say that human, the progression of human civilization was a whisper campaign. And and and the whisperers weren't always benevolent. You know, you you have a lot of weird things in culturally that persist and continue persisting. And I think, you know, you get into the duality of good and evil. And a whisper campaign lends itself perfectly to the notion of good and evil. Because there was a painting, the I guess it's the I don't know, the Fa Faustian bargain or something that has the devil whispering and a man to hear and an angel on the other side, like, oh no, don't do it. Yeah. And in my my near-death experience kind of leads me to believe there's a little bit of an element of that, in the sense that I don't think what we know where inspiration, both good and bad, come from. And whether you want to get spiritual and call it angelic or demonic, or you want to um take a step away from that and say, okay, it's an there are there is NHI phenomena interacting with human civilization. And and I would still say that's a that's probably a whispered campaign. I don't know. It's as good of a theory as anyone else has.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

I gotta tell you, what you said that that kind of blew my mind, because I never thought about it like that. And that's this is why I love having these conversations, is is the looking at the cartoon strip, right? Because you don't think about it that way. And that's a really good, because you know past, present, future, right? You see what's going on right in front of you. And it's the same concept with the maze you said, right? You know what's gonna happen there. Um, that is a really, really good way to look at it. And I I think there's there's truth to that, you know. Um there's been there's been times in my life where I've had a consistent nagging thought or a consistent nagging, like, don't do this or you should do this. And typically, if I follow through with it, it's a life-changing thing. So, and it's like, do I, was it good? Like, what would have happened if I would have stuck the other way? Would I be dead right now? Like, like, like what is what is that guiding principle? Is it intuition or am I tapping into some sort of, you know, um, I don't know, you know, like are we multi-dimensional beings? Like, can sometimes we tap you, you know, you I see a lot of stuff about the uh Mandela effect, right? And it's like, you know, did we or are we steadily kind of jumping timelines, right? Bernstein Bears and uh, you know, the the fucking um the whatchamacallit in in the fruit of the loom logo, uh the uh what the hell is that called? Cornucopia, right? Is it you know that type of thing? Like, because I remember that the cornucopia being there, man. Where'd it go? Like uh, you know, a lot of people say stuff, you know, you got um a lot of people blame CERN. I don't know if that's necessarily uh who to blame uh CERN, you know, the uh you know the uh hydro collider, hydro, whatever that was.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

It's actually the uh CERN CERN is in chapter one of the book. Oh nice. It's the opening of the portal. The the the the Hadron Collider causes a rupture, opens a portal, which is when the two NHIs, one good and one bad, jump through. So the literally chapter one starts in CERN.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

That's that's pretty funny. So, you know, you are a smart guy, right? And I think that's um, you know, any of you that are listening to this right now, right? You know the illustration from chapter one. There you go. There it is right there. That that's kind of that's kind of funny because I it just that I that thing just popped in my head. I'm like, yeah, like CERN, right? But this this guy, you're watching this on YouTube, he's got you can see all of his patents on on the wall, right? Well, only six of the 26, right? Um and this guy is an educated guy, he's smart, he knows his shit, and he he thinks. And I've always been a more of a thinker than a than a you know, a scientific person. Like I still see it when I believe it type person. You know, you got someone that spent their life trying to figure this out, and this is what he's saying, right? So you you you gotta think outside the box. I think um, you know, there's so many, and I I I'm sure I'll piss someone off because I've said this before as well. But Christianity, at some point, by the way, and I I'm a Catholic, I was baptized as Catholic, Christianity was a cult, people, at some point, right? They they practiced in the basement. And if if people saw them practicing in in public, they would be murdered and hung. You know.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Let me give you a theological concept which kind of will blow your mind. Hit me. Catholic theology is deep in physics, and no priest understands it, and the Catholic laity don't understand it, and the Protestants have no clue as to what the Catholic belief is. But um, and I thought about this a lot just because I'm into time and consciousness and things like that. But consider, do you remember as a growing-up Catholic, do you remember the what the Eucharist was defined as? Um, it was defined literally as the body and blood of Christ. And the actual teaching is that at the moment of consecration, it's the same event as the Last Supper and the Passion at the moment, such that, so this is this is actually a patristical teaching from 2,000 years ago. And the early church fathers said that every mass said throughout the world fulfills the prophecy that a time and place would come when a perfect mass was offered throughout the world at the same time. And so there the notion that when you're sitting in the church and the priest is saying, holds the Eucharist up and says the body and blood of Christ, that you are literally at the moment of Jesus at the table in the upper room. Doing the blessing of the bread and the wine at the Last Supper. And this has been a consistent concept, but nobody actually has thought about it or focused on it. But it's actually alleging that there is a dart through time 2,000 years ago to the present that recreates that moment in reality, not to not symbolically, not figuratively, but the priest is in, this is just deep Catholic theology, but the priest is acting in what they call the altus christi, that in the moment at that altar, that is Jesus Christ. The priest is Jesus Christ holding the bread at the Passover. So the the representation of the Mass is a time travel anecdote. And it's actually an anecdote that says that the time collapses, and that Jesus, that that sacrifice is persistent throughout the entire history of time. And that that to me floored me because, you know, from the physics side of that, huh? That's a wild concept, man. It is so wild. But but think that 2,000 years ago, they were literally teaching a mystical moment outside of time and space. And then every moment since then, the priest is actually taking part in that ritual that makes time and space collapse into that moment at the Last Supper. And not a single Catholic in the world, the Pope doesn't even realize this. I don't I would bet if I asked the Pope, what does that mean? He wouldn't, he would be clueless because the the entire notion of the non-locality of quantum is alien to faith. The entire notion that the mass could be live outside of time and space would freak out every believer. And no Christian would ever express the communion in that way. But when I understood it that way, I was like, this is fat, this is amazing. It's like you guys have no idea what what you believe. I wanted almost grab the grab a priest and go, I gotta teach you the faith. You don't understand it.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

You also should be a little bit of a scientist here. I need you to understand this shit.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

But but you know, that that is that is the claim though. And that that's that is a that is a a very deep claim to make. And and nobody nobody gets it. Nobody gets it. I I have just thrown that idea out. Like, you know, you're real, and and like, no, no, no. And and but that that is what, you know, my that's actually that's what they mean when they say it's actually the flesh and blood of Jesus. It's not symbolic. You're there. And and the whole idea is like, you're there. What is it? And then it's like, no, you're literally there. Go watch the passion of Christ, you're at that moment. And then you look around in the church and you're like, I don't think anybody here realizes that. I don't think the guy who's, you know, kind of sitting at the altar doing it even understands what he's doing. He's just repeating the words and going through the motions. But if you were mystically inclined to look at it that way, I think you'd have to fall on your face at that moment.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

And now, you know, obviously the Bible talks a lot of there's a lot of symbolism about aliens and shit in the Bible, like all over the place, right? And even even drawlings, like if you go back to, you know, ancient Mesopotamia and all that other shit, there's there's like drawings that you you see flaming chariots in the sky, like all this crazy stuff. And you're like, all right, I know there's dreamers and people that think outside the box, but come on.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

There's gotta be some there's a 14th century painting with a blind saucer above the crucifi above the cross, above the Jesus being crucified. And and then, you know, you wanna you want to get you wanna get funny with it. And I gotta be careful because some of you know, I some a lot of people I know will take offense at some of this stuff, but and I don't know why, because I I think ideas you have to turn them around in your head, or else you're you're not being honest with yourself. And I have fun with it because I I don't find anything as a challenge or or or a threat to anything. But you know, just take this story, take a couple of stories. Take this story um three wise men follow a star.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Right?

SPEAKER_03 48:31

We all we grew up thinking that. Yep. And and then you watch these some of the UFO films, right? You have the orbs. You're like, well, wait a minute. What what if three wise men are following an orb? That's true. How would that that would actually be more logical?

unknown 48:51

Right?

SPEAKER_03 48:51

You wouldn't you wouldn't take a star from the heaven and have to follow it, and the star would move in the heaven. But these orbs that everybody is now seeing are true. Yeah, I think they're all pretending to see them, or actually seeing them. But I haven't seen any.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

But if these orbs we saw some here, man, in the northeast in Philadelphia. Oh, yeah, we we saw there was orbs in the sky, and it was documented, and and actually they had to the the White House had to come out and say, Oh, the yeah, it would they were doing some tests or something. They they never really told they didn't tell you they were drones, nothing. There was just orbs everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

But the orbs I think are are the most fascinating of the phenomena because uh back to what I was saying, I think the orbs are actually interdimensional. I think that's the angelic side, if if you were so inclined to think there's there's a there's a separation of phenomena. But but then it was like, okay, so three wise men are following an orb that leads on to the the Christ child. I I actually find that probably more logical than following a star. And then and then um, you know the Fatima story with the children saw that the sun danced and they saw a lady of light. And there's a UFO guy that keeps getting invited to the White House and the Department of Defense. His name is Chris Bloodsoe. And um he seems to be, at least the government seems to think that he's pretty well connected to the phenomena that they talk to him, see him, and even physiological readings of his body are now different. And I don't know what to make of that, but I bought his book and I read that too. It's called UFO of God. And what was fascinating to me, particularly growing up Catholic, is the Fatima story. Because Chris Chris isn't Catholic. Chris talks about being visited by a lady of light or lady in white, and his description of her is identical to the children's description of Mary at Fatima. So then I was like, okay, so the Mary and apparition Fatima and Chris Bledsoe's alien, the descriptions are identical. And then the phenomena that the children see along with 10,000 people is that the sun dances and it's witnessed by 10,000 people, actually makes the paper in New York City, um, because it's photographed. And this isn't that long. I mean, this is in the 1900s, so it's not like ancient stuff. And then you're like, okay, well, now that gets fascinating because the sun dancing is also a lot of the stuff you see in the sky with the UFO phenomena. So I I read, I read, you can read the account of Fatima from 100 years ago, and then you can read Chris Bledsoe's book about a UFO encounter, and you put them side by side. Okay, one is talking through faith and Christ and Virgin Mary, and the other one is talking UFO and alien and phenomenology. And literally, description-wise, it's identical. And, you know, I think I think the best position to take in life is an open-minded, somewhat skeptical, but somewhat open acceptance of if something proves to be true, don't run from it. Because I think I think if those are your rules, you're grounded.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

You know? I just downloaded his book because you've given me a couple, you gave me a couple good books. I I I'm a uh audiobook guy, so I listen to audiobooks because I hate listening to the radio.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

And I'm like, Flatland will be flatland will be a quick one because flatland the book is only this thick. But it's Yeah, that was one. Let me see. Uh actually, you know what I would do if I were you? I would actually go on Amazon and buy it. It's like$3. And the reason is is the author sketched, um, he sketched out Flatland. So he has this little, he has his little sketches of 3D, you know, 3D passing through 2D. It's just kind of cute. It almost looks when you flip through the book like a kid's book. But when you read it, it definitely is not for a kid. It's definitely not for a kid.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

I'll check it out. I'll check out the if like sometimes I feel like those books like that, you need the the pictures because it helps kind of dictate, you know, the understanding of the principles.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

I just thought it was it was a it was a very non-technical read, and that yet it had my mind going into all kinds of physics. And and that's actually the sign of a really good book, because if the ideas seed, you know, that keep stays in your head and keep seeding new ideas. That's what that makes the that means the material was really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Yeah, I listen to a ton of sci-fi books. That's like my my thing. And a lot of the sci-fi books I do read have very good physics. They they they talk about shit that is definitely real that who knows when it's gonna exist, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

I mean Interstellar wasn't was a was a a weird novel, deep novel. And and and I think I think the writer is a physicist. So I you know, I I I think I think I think novels bringing bringing complex subjects into fiction, particularly controversial subjects into fiction, let you get away with a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Yeah, like um Project Hail Mary. I don't know if you saw the movie, but um I I saw the movie come out, and I'm like, all right, I I heard it was a book, so I I just read the book. And the physics in that it is is pretty good. I mean, they talk a lot about stuff that, you know, I mean, some of it's doesn't exist, you know. Astrophage in the in the book is is basically a single-cell life form that can generate heat to like 94.5 degrees Celsius, and it could be basically infinite power. Um, and that's what they use to uh power spaceships, and you can get there, you know, to to certain places, but they explain all the technology behind it, which leads me to believe that you know, who knows if there could be something along those lines that does exist. You know, you had all those scientists that just disappeared that were working on uh, you know, uh of its own. Yeah, we don't we don't need you out of here, Alex. You know, we we gotta we gotta slow down on that. But uh look, we're we're getting close to the hour mark, so I don't I don't want to forget to talk about this real quick, but you know, you had mentioned it. Talk a little bit about your book. It's the weight of a dog.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

So um the novel is basically my thinking of 20 years, turned into a fictional story. And the fictional story, um, you know, I I have an author's note at the end, which is kind of why I wrote the book, which is real. It was real enough to where my wife, when she read it, it's like I remember exactly that moment. I could see it on your face. And I write that I I'm a workaholic, and I think I missed most of my life just working, which is I it's how I have fun. I don't know how to have fun without working. But um, I was on my laptop and my bulldog is at my feet and he does this thing with this like he wants to play, just pause your leg. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'm working. And I show him away, and I laptop when working. And I had my three-year-old granddaughter, Luna, climbs up on my lap, and she's yeah, I call her my monkey because it in her when she was two and three, she had this habit of just kind of like being a spider along my back and over my head and hands in my eye. You know, anybody with kids will you know relate to that. Oh, yeah. Luna wants to crawl on me. And again, I'm busy and I'm actually doing something very technical. And I I start to move Luna off my lap, and I look down and I see my dog's just looking at me. And I look at Luna and I look at my dog, and and and this is this is like such a really simple thought. And for whatever reason, this was a profound moment for me. I shut the laptop and I get down on the floor, and I'm like, you know, I wrote in the author's note, she's three, he's a dog, they don't understand. And I stopped working at that moment, and I caught myself, and I and as I'm playing with them and I'm playing with my granddaughter, it was that moment I was like, that's the only thing that matters in life. And I missed my entire life, I missed it. I didn't see any of it, and I was I wasn't really present. And so the the concept of being present pervades all through the novel. The novel, some of the reviews on Amazon surprised me. There's like 50 reviews, and they're all most of them are really surprisingly good.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Um especially given Amazon reviews.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

Yeah, yeah, I expected to get the you know, this sucks kind of thing. Oh yeah. The haters, man, the haters. Yeah, well, most of them are saying that they cried, and I didn't know I was writing a crying book. I didn't mean to. And um, that's what you get when you kill the dog in the end, I guess. But anyway. That's not a giveaway because that that doesn't tell you the story at all. And actually, that's not that's a trick ending, doesn't it? Uh so I can give it away and you can believe it, and then you read the book. I'm like, he didn't he didn't kill the dog. You bastard. Um and and so the the notion of presence and and the other thought, this has nothing to do with anything we talked about. It was just kind of as I get into my 60s, uh, as I get more grandfatherly, as I start to get, you know, I start to feel a little bit wiser and think about you know legacy and um not so much the noise of life, but the meaning of life stuff. It is this notion, because I I I I see to my own marriage a lot, which is um, and and I think this is a universal experiment, so I can if I if I bring it home to me, it should convey. And that is that my wife and I'll have a an argument, and I mean we'll both be at here, and we don't we typically don't argue. Neither one of us likes to argue. My the typical way I argue is I grab my keys and I jump in my car and I go for a drive until I get over it. My wife goes through, I'm not talking to you. Right? That's how we resolve problems. It's like just pretending it didn't happen, and then we calm down until we can bring some other proof. Yeah. And and and all it's always this experience where you're getting matter and matter and matter at the person who's in the other room. And and a day goes by, and then you go to talk about it, and you don't even want to talk about it because it makes you feel so stupid that you allowed the smallest of things to flip you out and build into this monster in your head. And I, in the novel, I treated that, I referred to it as the wall of skin. And I I I reasoned that most of human misery is the fact that we're perceiving each other wrong, and we don't really we can't get into each other's experience, so we're judging, and then we're reacting, and that if that wall of skin didn't exist, you would you would see through a person to where there would be no judgment because you would see through them. Um for instance, you have a really, really, really um horrible boss. He's a tyrant. And then you you know you you get really deep into what made him a tyrant, and you find out that the kid had the most miserable of existences as a young adult and child, abused and baggering, all that stuff. And that's kind of hard to hold it against him because you know you can see him. And and so I use that as a literary device. I I I use the dog, and the dog sees the trauma, he sees the wound. And so the the the it's an it's an it's a it's a novel that is more interior than action. And the only bad reviews I have are the people who picked it up thinking looking for an action novel and found it. Um a slow read. And it's a slow read because it's sort of a psychological, it deals, although the premise is you know, there's a dog who saves the world by going to the pyramid in Egypt. I'll tell you about that in a second. But at a deeper level, it's a slow read because I I'm trying to unmask uh what I what I've determined to be the source of most failed marriages of most human misery, which is two humans sitting in a room unable to talk to each other and unable to really see each other. That's kind of that that's the that's kind of the the heavier story. So it's a grief novel and there's a guilt novel, and there's a generational trauma novel, but it sits on the science fiction story. And the the science fiction story, I I joked that I wrote it the same way I designed a medical device. And I I can't end this uh podcast without explaining that. Because um I I don't consider myself a writer in the traditional sense, and and I'm not a science fiction person because um, yeah, well, I I am in this novel, and I and I could be because I love tech, um, but I could never write Spider-Man. And I I would be the guy that would be so hung up trying to figure out how Peter Parker isn't you know leaving his um the nozzle soaking in the solvent overnight because it's adhesive. And then what is the what is that adhesive made of? You know, it's like these kinds of things bother me. I can't, because you can establish a, you know, there are a couple of writers, Michael Crichton, uh, Jurassic Park, he gets really deep in science, Blake Crouch does that with quantum, and then you leap off of the science into fiction. And I'm that, that I can do. So the science is real, and the applied engineering is real, and it had to be very real because I couldn't write, I couldn't lay over a fictional drama, human drama on a science fiction premise. So the science fiction premise was nonsense. That part had to be real to me because it's from an engineering point of view, it had to work. And so what informed that, what informed that was basically the research that came out last year, early January, February, with the ground penetrating scans of the of the Giza pyramid. Have you heard that?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:03

Yeah, they found they they found a ton of stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

Like, yeah, so so it turns out everybody thought this pyramid was a structure. Then they find out below the pyramid is two kilometers of structure, such that the pyramid is just a capstone over this monstrosity, and and the radar just you know exposes that monstrous structure almost as open areas, right? Which from an you know, acoustical point of view is a resonance chamber, you know. And then so then I I get really deep into the Egyptology stuff, the hieroglyphics, the you know, the ancient civilization stuff, just because I love going down anything I come across that's sort of fascinating to me, I end up reading three or four books on. And the Egypt stuff had me uh pretty much going down rabbit holes for about four months. Everything from the NASCAR mummies and Peru to and and that was just kind of fueling, you know, creativity. And then I thought I came across a it was one of the early English explorers who wrote a diary of entering the um the chamber in the Great Pyramid of Giza, and he described the experience as like a haunting. He put in his notes that that it was just a very uncomfortable feeling. Well, from a physics point of view, it made perfect sense to me because it was it was described as all granite. And granite has a natural resonance of 19 Hertz. And you know, the frequencies and resonance are cool from a physics point of view, anyway. You know, you know the the the old thing if you had two glasses of water and you put a little film of soap on one and you start doing this, and this glass. Is empty, you can crack the glass next to it. I mean, yeah, you've seen that. That's because it's two glasses, the same material with the same resonance. So the same for the harmonic frequency of one will will will vibrate the one next to it. So if you imagine a room that's all granite, with when granite has a natural resonance of 19 Hertz, if I take a tuning fork this big and I do 19 hertz, in a 19 hertz room, I may be able to create a resonance within the stones around me, such that the room sinks at 19 Hertz. And and a good example of that is um there's a structure in Malta 5,000 years old called the Hypogeum, which has the oracle room that's on my bucket list title, Malta. Um But the the Oracle room, if you whisper in it, it's a three-story structure, 5,000 years old. If you whisper in the oracle room, it's amplified and magnified throughout the entire structure. And to this day, 2026, nobody could duplicate that. That's wild. It is, and I I can't explain it. I can't explain the pyramid either. And and then, but that you know, when you can't explain something, that's when imagination becomes fun. I right, so I I I came up with the idea that the pyramid was a trans was a transducer. And um it was then then you start finding out that there's pyramids all over the world. There's a pyramid in in Peru, there's a pyramid in Alaska, there's a pyramid in China. And I'm like, okay, okay, so so here's so this is the fictional part. In theory, a 19 hertz chamber with a 19 hertz signal can resonate, and that resonance could be propagated with these monstrous resonance chambers underneath it, and your focal point sends a signal out and it gets picked up by another acoustical, ancient acoustical engineer chamber, and that propagates the signal. 19 hertz is interesting because it's an infrasound frequency. And in in in uh sound generally, the higher in frequency, the smaller the waveform. Yeah, the lower in frequency, the longer the waveform. And you know, when you hear about a recording device in California picking up seismic activity in China, that's because the seismic wave is going on the through the crust between 8 to 20 hertz. That's infrasound. At the high end of infrasound, 18, 19, 20 hertz, you do hear it audibly, but you mostly experience it as a vibrational rumble. And that's what it's it's uh. It's almost like the the sound in the theater when you get the THX thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the the bill. Well, so so 19 Hz is that, and 19 Hertz has the funny property of causing the fluid in your eyeball to vibrate, which is why the explorer had a very eerie sensation entering the chamber. And if you were able to chant in that chamber, you'd get you'd get the your stunts would sing. And I actually think a lot of these acoustically engineered structures were designed for chant. Um but anyway, so the the novel, the novel is this human drama that starts with a breach at CERN, a malevolent NHI comes in, and a benevolent NHI sees the evil enter and says, I must go. So the good follows the bad to neutralize the bad. And the bad doesn't believe it's bad, the bad believes it's doing good. And um, from that I bring the ancient stories of the floods and the Tower of Babel and all of these civilizational resets moments. And I posit that God or NHI or God working through NHI allow humanity to get so just so far until they start mating sheep with humans and dogs with creating life forms and all that kind of, you know, basically humanity will do some stupid stuff if you let it. And that that that you know, the universe eventually allows humanity so much rope, and then eventually it looks down on what humanity's doing because you're gonna kill yourself. So let me just reset the table. And there's the flight, and you start civilization over again. But that that that seemed, I mean, that's not my idea, that's an ancient civilization thing that's been going around for a while. Yeah, but I played with that, and so then I was like, okay, so then the ancients understood that gods and HI, whatever, were going to reset them. And they understood that a frequency could stop it. And so it's a basically the novel deposits a frequency war. And the ancients were trying to stop the reset through frequency, and then the NHI had ways of you know countering that. And and as I'm thinking through that as a just a possible science fiction premise, yeah, I wag to my dog at my feet. And um my dog snores vibrationally, like bulldogs tend to have a very heavy bass that's vibrational rumble. And you know, you don't have pure tone in sound. You know, if I if I if you measured a a bark, you know, and and you took out and you just you you you get sound in general has multiple frequency ranges. It's not pure tone. Very rarely. In nature, you never have pure tone. Yeah. But I it wasn't far for me, it wasn't for imagination stretch to hear my dog breathe and say, if I if I if I measured that, I'm absolutely certain somewhere in there is infrared. May not be exactly 19 Hertz, but it's not that far off. And I, you know, I have a frequency generator that does tones, and I play 19 hertz, and I listen to my dog breathe. And like lose the signal. So from that came this crazy idea because 19 hertz can propagate the earth through this through transducers and amplification resonance, but 19 hertz can't reset consciousness. It has to work for me to actually write it. So I start doing this. This there is a there are a couple of papers that talk about really interesting properties of 40 hertz and memory, and how 40 hertz can interfere with memory. And and I don't need, I don't actually need the science of that to work. I just need to pick a frequency that can be tied cognitively to something going on in your brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:30

And then in my fictional side of that says, okay, 40 hertz is the reset signal. And now I have to modulate the 40 hertz and the 19 hertz carrier wave. That's a that's the that's the science fiction part of this. So then the the adventure and why there's um pyramids and bulldog in the cover, is that the adventure, and remember, above the adventure is this really deep, profound human drama that gets into grief and loss and all that stuff. But below that is this science, science, uh device that's in my imagination that's that the ancients built for um propagation of an acoustical signal. So the um I invent a device that is in my mind comes from Ezekiel's wheel from the Old Testament, um, wheels within wheels. And and that that is a otherworldly device that's also somehow part of the product of reaching in from CERN. And that device inserts a 40 hertz signal into a 19 hertz carrier wave when it comes in contact with a 19 hertz carrier wave. So the the plot, and aside from the human drama and the interest generational trauma, the science fiction plot is ancients built an acoustical system to allow humanity to reset consciousness to get to a higher level. And the and there's an NHI frequency war to stop it, to reset it. And the dog is not, the dog is actually the benevolent NHI who comes through and takes the form of the dog. And the NHI is in a in a hat tip to the lion, the witch in the wardrobe. That's C.S. Lewis's Aslan. The dog says to himself, last time I came as a lion. And he said, This time I need a humbler form. And he enters the puppy. So that was just my I I love C.S. Lewis, so it was kind of just a little hat tip to C.S.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:49

I do, I love it, man. That's that's a cool premise. Um, I'll give you a book before we leave today. Uh if you like science fiction and you you really like um kind of I know you I don't know if you've read it, but it's it's uh it's the Baba verse, okay? And there's there's a lot of books. Uh it's Dennis E. Taylor. Um the science in it's really freaking cool. It's basically about a guy that's dying of cancer, and he decides that he's okay with them taking his consciousness and copying it and making him uh basically a uh they put him on a spaceship and send him out. And his sole purpose is to create copies of himself and travel the far-off universes and different planets, and uh because they want to eventually create a they didn't really there's really no human element anymore once it's just him, and but um all of the books kind of go through him replicating himself and you know all this different things he runs into an alien race. Uh at some point he runs into a primitive race on another planet, but it's it's a it's a copy of him. So some chapters or the and he names himself like he was a nerd, so he names himself, you know, obviously Bob was his real name, and then you have like um you know Bo Winkle for Rocky and Bo Winkle and random stuff like that. But there's a there's a bunch of books, there's a lot of them, but the science in it is really, really cool and like legit. So he must have done a shit ton of research like you did. Uh and I think you'd I think you'd fall in love with the book.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:22

I'll leave it with one little thing. There's a cheat in the on my website for the novel. Yeah. The the last thing, I'll just I'll give the cheat away. Um I can find it.

unknown 1:17:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

So you see the key?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:44

Yeah. Okay. In my mind, one day somebody is gonna spot the key and it's gonna go to the website, and there's a map, and they're gonna see a little gold key on the map, and they're gonna click on it. And it's gonna give you a diff whole different take of so you're gonna read the novel. If you read the novel without thinking about it, you read the novel of a boy and a dog who saved the world. Yep. And then you you you get hints of the scaffolding below it, but but most of the science fiction scaffolding shouldn't be in your face. It should be, you know, you should kind of figure it out. But if you're that person and you you notice the key and you notice the map on the website, and you click on the gold key, you get to a page called the science and mythology of Baloo. And and in that page is all of the science and engineering frequency, time travel, quantum consciousness, non-locality of consciousness. All of that stuff is on that webpage. But I hid it because it's sort of irrelevant to the experience of the story. It was relevant to me being able to write the story, but it wasn't necessary to understand the story. So I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to throw it in there, but I wanted it available because every once in a while somebody like me is gonna read a novel like this. And I'm the kind of guy who like, well, that doesn't make any sense. And I do vote for apostles. And I I thought having a little bit of a puzzle with a with a hidden key was just made made the made the experience fun. But if you were inclined into science fiction side of it and you found the key in the novel and you went to the website and clicked on the key, you would you would find a an incredibly dense write-up about frequencies and resonance and quantum and all this kind of stuff. So I wanted to I I I was thinking of me. You know, what I would want out of the book.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

I'm a sucker for stuff like that. Well, look, do me a favor, plug away for everyone to find all of your stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:54

Um you can find the novel website on weightofadog.com. If you just want to see who I am. Uh my portfolio page is alexlucio.me.me. So um, and I'll just show you kind of how I got to where I'm at. But the the more fun website is the novel website, the weight of a dog. And of course you can buy it on Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

Yeah, you did a great job. I was on the weight of a dog, and uh it's it's it's a how you have it set up is is really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

Um Yeah, we got some news from the publisher date was kind of fun. I don't know that it's meaningful, but we were number one in our category on Amazon. That's awesome as a new novel. And that was just I I just got on a couple of book clubs uh meetings, and you know, the book book clubs are interesting. I've I I've been on doing the book club circuit, I I guess. And um, it's mostly women, mostly older women, but they read a hell of a lot of books. You know, I I read I I read a lot, but I don't read as a lot as uh as these ladies do. I mean, you know, you you you're on a Zoom call with them, and they're like the entire room they're talking from. It looks like a library. It's like, well, you know, this is my second book of the week. I'm like, you just go novel to novel to novel to novel.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:24

I can't do that, man. It takes me a long time. I I'm listening right now to Stephen King's um what is it, Fable or Stephen King's uh uh what's it called? Fairy tale right now. It's pretty good. Um I haven't read a Stephen King novel in a really long time, so I kind of wanted to try something.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:43

I read was Dark the Dark Tower series, which I which I thought was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:47

And Dark Tower is good. I'm just so behind on it. Like I didn't even wouldn't even know where to begin because I've never I haven't read all of his novels, and I feel like you you gotta kind of be really more plugged in.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:57

I I I actually like if I you know in that in that genre. I liked I like Dean Coombs a little bit better. Oh yeah. Um mostly because I'm a dog person. He always puts his dogs in the horror.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:10

Yeah, we're we're dog people here too. So well, look, uh I have to go uh give my dog actually her medication because my dog, unfortunately, uh gets seizures and it's a 12-hour schedule, and we've been doing it for she's 10, so we've been doing it for six years now. But listen, uh this is so uh my podcast is drink a clock pod on all socials, drink a clock podcast, wherever you listen to podcasts, and uh we'll have this up soon. And thank you so much, man. This is a great combo, Alex. Yep, loved it. Thank you. Have a great night, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:41

Yours well, we're gonna be able to do it.