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The Messy Hairstylist
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What Are Your Ins & Outs for 2025?
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Embracing the spirit of a new year, this episode discusses what's "in" and "out" for hairstylists in 2025, centering on intentional rest, financial awareness, and nurturing client relationships. As stylists, we explore the significance of authenticity over trends and the balance of leadership in salon management to create a fulfilling career path.
• Intentional rest as a daily priority
• The importance of authenticity over trends
• Understanding dopamine spending
• Building deeper connections with clients
• Active mentorship and leadership in salons
• Focusing on nurturing existing goals and businesses
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Welcome to the Messy Hairstylist Podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm Kelsey Morris and I'm Abbey Warther. Whether you are a mess, literally or figuratively, we are here to help you take imperfect action to find your success as a hairstylist.
Speaker 1:Apparently, there's this trend going around in the social media world that I'm not aware of, but Abbey is so much cooler than me, so she knows what's going on. It's something called the ins and outs of 2025. Yes, but not 2024. Why wouldn't they say 24? Because it's out.
Speaker 2:2024 is out, so what's going to be in and out for 2025?
Speaker 2:I get it and, yeah, I think it's a fun way instead of just talking about what are our goals or what are you know? Yes, I've been seeing this trend on social media in the last week since we're now into the new year of a lot of people saying what's in and out and there's no explanation to it. We'll elaborate here today a little bit more, and I think we'll probably also share this on our on our pages too. I think that we probably also share this on our pages too.
Speaker 1:I think that we should, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Of what do we have for In-N-Out for 2025? And you came up with a great idea to have each of us share something in our different categories of personal what's personally, what's In-N-Out for 2025, as a stylist, what's In-N, in or out, and as an owner, what's in or out.
Speaker 1:I think that's fun. Yeah, because I think it can hit lots of different people right. Like, even if you're not a business owner, you could still, you know, resonate with the other two or and now I made my list to still be like, as a stylist, for me personally, what's my in and out?
Speaker 2:Is that what you did, or did you do general as an industry?
Speaker 1:Okay, no, for me Making sure Got it, yeah, but I'm just thinking like maybe someone's not all of these, not a business owner, maybe they're not actually actively doing hair, but like maybe they're still in school, but they can find something exciting out of any of this and make their own in and out.
Speaker 2:I agree, yes, okay, so we're just diving right in, I feel like we should.
Speaker 1:I feel like we should just dive right in and just say something.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay. So what are we going to start with? Personal stylist or owner? I think we should start with personal.
Speaker 1:Okay, you go first. Okay, I am so pumped about my in and out. My in is going to be intentional rest. Now, what that means to me, I think that can mean for anybody something different, mean something different for everybody. For me, that is taking the time, and I've always said I'm going to do this, and every time I do it I get on my phone and I start working or do something else. But it's setting aside time every single day, 15 minutes exactly, for intentional rest. And that doesn't mean sleeping, it doesn't mean vegging, it means being like putting on something relaxing lighting a candle, sitting with a book in my hands, turning on some meditation, music, just anything that like forces my body and my mind to shut down for 15 minutes every single day. I love that. I am so excited about that because I don't Okay.
Speaker 2:So you're not just putting on a timer and saying, okay, I'm just going to sit here and chill and randomly do something You're going to say for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:I'm going to read Correct, because what would happen is I would read on my phone and then I'd get a text message or something would pop in my brain about Instagram, or I need to respond to this client, and I won't do it. Or maybe I'll take a bath, and it could be longer than 15 minutes, but my minimum is 15 minutes where I'm just going to light a candle and I'm not going to have my phone in there with me. I can take a book with me, I can do something else, but not have my phone and just give my brain 15 minutes of nothing.
Speaker 2:I love that. So what does that make your out then?
Speaker 1:Well, my out is sort of there, but sort of not. It kind of correlates but kind of doesn't. And I know we were supposed to make them directly correlate, but I felt like it would be too obvious to be like I'm just not going to go, go, go. So my out is forcing trends, and so what does this mean? Right, trends? Okay, so what? I see that, as is, when I look at other people and what they're doing in 2025, maybe what their goals are, what they're doing for social media, what they're doing for their salon I feel the need to, like I have to do that, I've got to be doing this, I got to be doing that and, instead of forcing myself to do what I think other people are doing or what's trendy and cool, to just follow my own gut and know, like, what I do is special and not what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 2:I okay, I think that that correlates. I do. I do, because what what can happen is if you're seeing like, oh my gosh, these people are doing this, basically comparing, and being like, okay, I need to do this. Oh, this is a cool trend, I need to do that too with my business. That then takes away your time of rest, right.
Speaker 1:Because your brain doesn't stop.
Speaker 2:Because it's an extra add-on and you're just like just working out of, like a flash in a pan, instead of like actually intentionally working or intentionally resting, Correct. So I mean your in and out is being more intentional.
Speaker 1:I agree, there it is, I love that Boom.
Speaker 2:I love it Okay.
Speaker 1:What's yours?
Speaker 2:Okay, so my in. So here's what I think we should do, do just to say we should say the in and the out right together and then elaborate Okay.
Speaker 1:All right, so I did it wrong. You're saying I did it wrong. I didn't say that Okay, all right, go ahead. You do it the right way.
Speaker 2:And you're like I'm supposed to have it correlate who made that rule Me I did.
Speaker 1:She made all the rules. She's like you go first and we have a blind set of rules that you should know, and then, when you don't do it right, I'm going to tell you that wasn't the way to do it, but you went first. So, okay, yeah, it's okay. Let's hear it the right way.
Speaker 2:Okay. So the way to do it is. So my personal in for 2025 is more financial planning. My personal out is to stop really be aware of my dopamine spending. Oh gosh, that's so good, yes, yes, okay. So here is. I'm actually really excited about this. So I'm not like a crazy spender, I'm not a crazy shopper, but we all have those dopamine little things I don't spend. Like I don't buy fancy bags and shoes. I love Target, things like that but always are we going to get that little dopamine hit of something, whatever it is. Maybe a little new little knickknack for the house, going to get a Starbucks that can be dopamine spending, all these little bits. Or like um, do you ever get um, uh, influenced with the people, the influencers online and their Amazon finds? Uh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a whole problem. That's a whole. That was. That's part of my forcing trends, by the way.
Speaker 2:I would just like you to know.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I am following this girl and like she's a cool mom in her thirties and like I want to. I just want to be like her. So I buy all her Amazon crap and then I put it on and I'm like this I look like an idiot. So I'm not forcing that anymore. So, yes, I get that. That's a dope. I never knew it was a dopamine spending. I mean, I think I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just said it is. I'm giving it that, yeah, because it's like ooh, that's gonna make me feel good. I don't I do it with clothes with Amazon, but I find I do it a lot with like little, like kitchen utensils or a little organizational bin that's going to make me Miss Perfect, like in my kitchen or in my closet, whatever.
Speaker 2:Just all these knickknacky things I don't really need. Do I need to buy this new acrylic clear bin, or can I use this old one that's over here that I just need to like clean? You know things like that, anyway. So as far as my personal in with financial planning, I'm actually really excited about this. My husband loves all this stuff and I'm just like, whatever, show me your spreadsheet and let's move on. It's always bored me, but I've actually really started to find my own way to get excited about financial planning and saving and really seeing like, oh okay, all these little things do add up and can make something. So one of the things that I've stumbled across on TikTok and I'm now obsessed with listening to and watching is this guy named Caleb Hammer. Oh, heard of him. No, I love it. It's so good. He gets so mad and so angry. So it's a show, it's a podcast, but then it's also. I like watching it on YouTube. They actually have it recorded.
Speaker 2:The people come into his studio and it's called Financial Audit and they bring in, literally for the previous month or two, everything, all their bills, all their accounts everything and he gets so mad and he cusses at them. It sounds terrible but it's so fascinating to. And then he's teaching about how to build financial wealth and get out of debt and it's just a different alternative from some of the other financial things. I just think it's so fun and it really makes you think about all the different subscriptions that we have.
Speaker 1:I am looking at him right now and I can't. I'm so excited to not re-recording anymore because I think I'm going to go down a rabbit hole with this guy because that looks that's part of my goals too.
Speaker 1:But I love that because you don't recognize the little things that add up Like, yeah, totally. I got on my bank account the other day and I was like, why in the world do am I, you know sure A thousand dollars? And I'm like, oh no, I'm not. Actually I'm not, it's just I've been spending like a little bit, I literally called Huntington. I was like I think there's a fraud charge and they were like no, they're not, there's not.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh okay, well, I just thought but then I was like sorry to add things up Literally I literally was he's like no, no, no, you're just spending wildly your dopamine hits.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you'll love this show then, because he literally goes line by line through all that and he like gets so mad and he was like door dash, door dash, door, dash, door, dash, like all the door dashes. It's so good. But these people go on this show knowing who he is and they know that they're going to yell at because they need the tough love. It is so, so good and entertaining. Okay, there you go, so that's my first in and out.
Speaker 2:No more dopamine spending. Caleb Hammer financial spending Pretend like he's screaming at me on a YouTube video.
Speaker 1:Done. I love it. I think I'm going to do that too. All right, so ins and outs as a stylist Okay, let me do it the right way this time. Okay, good, thank you. Okay. Okay, how do I say this? A moment of wellness, okay. So this is geared specifically towards my clients, so my in is going to be a moment of wellness and goals conversation. I guess is what I would call it. I just like roll a cliff. Moment of wellness and goals conversation. I'm not going to tell you what that means because I'm not allowed to. And then the out is going to be skipping consultations and assuming I know what they want.
Speaker 2:Oh, have you been doing that?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are you ready? I am ready, okay, so I'm going to break down the outs.
Speaker 1:So you know, ironically, yesterday I was driving and our podcast just like came up on my listen. I was like listening to a podcast and it like it was over. So then ours came on, which I love, by the way. It's so weird when you're driving and all of a sudden you hear your own voice. You're like what the hell? And then you're like, oh wait, that's us. Okay.
Speaker 1:So it was episode we did about retain just a couple weeks ago, retaining our own clients and like instead of always looking for new clients, and it was a great episode. I loved it. I was smiling the whole way through and then I was thinking that I haven't really worked. I only worked yesterday, since we recorded that, because we had the holidays and a lot of what we said I was really excited about.
Speaker 1:But the one thing I realized I was doing was I have clients who I've been doing forever. Like they come in every four weeks for their base color and I get really busy. So I'll have like you know, you know how I schedule a million clients going at once. So I'll just like tell my assistant we have Nicole coming in, mix up her formula and bring it out, and it's like sitting at the chair for when she comes out.
Speaker 1:And and I realized like, yeah, we preach consultation, preach a consultation all day long for, like, new stylists and whatever, but like, what about our older stylists, the stylists, clients, clients what am I saying? You know what I'm saying? Or what about our older clients who have been with us forever that, like you, we need to be investing in? So I realized that I can no longer skip the consultation and just have it there. I need to, like, take that time with them to make them feel valued and heard, because if the bowl of color is already sitting there when they walk in, what if they wanted to change their hair up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that day, randomly, you're either wasting a bunch of money with the color, dumping it out. Or they're right or they're not gonna ask.
Speaker 1:They already feel like whatever and it's, you know, it's like not giving them opportunity to even want to change their mind. So then, how many times have we lost clients? Or we've had a new client come to us and you'll be like, well, what happened? And they're like, well, she just wasn't doing what I wanted or, you know, it wasn't really like taking time with me, wasn't doing what I wanted her to do, or wasn't listening to me. Well, that's part of not listening to them is by not even giving them a chance to be heard. So that is my out.
Speaker 1:And then, which correlates with my in, which is I am going to be doing one of my new stylists, who's so cool. She came from like a loft, setting Her name's Annette, but she goes by Nettie and I love her and she I know. So here's me. Okay, she's over behind me and I'm look over at her and she's like rubbing her client's shoulders and she's just like sitting there and they're both have their eyes closed and I'm like that person must be having a bad day. No, sure enough, the next one comes in and the same freaking thing happens. So finally, I'm like, what are you doing, what? What is going on over there, like I, I'm what am I missing?
Speaker 2:Did she come from an Aveda salon? Yes, so Aveda, okay. Thank you Okay.
Speaker 1:And so she was like, well, I came from an Aveda salon. I remember you telling me some of this too, but she was. I was like so like, how do you segue into just like rubbing your client's shoulders, like what is going on? So she was like she did it to me, okay. So she's like just she did it to me, okay. So she's like, just sit here. So it was really cool. It was like I loved it.
Speaker 1:It was this moment of she did a consultation, went back, mixed their color, brought it all out, got their cape, and then she asked, asked if they lavender or eucalyptus I'm sure you're familiar, but maybe some people aren't and she, like puts it on her hands and puts it near their face for them to breathe in the aroma. She did all this to me, by the way, I'm closing my eyes and thinking about it and then she just like, gently, like, rubs her shoulder, rubs her scalp and just gives them this moment of peace. So I love that. I think I'm going to adopt something similar maybe not the exact same way, but also in my consultation and something we had talked about in one of our other episodes was setting client goals, and I think they kind of go together. It's just this moment together of okay, what are our hair goals for the year?
Speaker 2:What do we want to do Like in assessing them. So those are my I love that and that's a great way for anyone who is maybe not consulting with their longtime clients and mixing up the base color before they come in Right. That's a great way to kind of just like change that dynamic with that Totally. I mean good for her that she's not with Aveda anymore and she still does it, because I dropped that in like two seconds.
Speaker 1:I know I bet I mean it's a lot, but like God, they love it and I'm not going to lie she did it to me.
Speaker 1:I freaking loved it and again like and it was only like a couple minutes. It wasn't like this big in-depth thing. But you know, what I think it does and we've talked about this before is slows the pace down, Like it slows everything down, Like whether you're behind, whether you've got a lot going on, and your client feels like they're just like for me, especially because of the way I book my appointments and my schedule is so packed and there's so many people coming in and out and I don't want them to feel rushed.
Speaker 1:And so I think if I took just a couple minutes to slow it down, that would go a long way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. Yeah, of course they love it. I'm just a terrible stylist and not giving my clients that.
Speaker 1:I took it away. That might not be on your ins and out of 2025. It's not well, you away. That might not be on your ins and out of 2025, nope you know it doesn't have to be nope I did it for many years.
Speaker 2:I apparently have ptsd over.
Speaker 1:I don't know I mean clearly you are so hostile about it right now?
Speaker 2:nope, um well, because I love anybody to dm me who grew up in aveda salons and had to do it and okay well, see, that's annoying.
Speaker 1:Yes, that would be annoying. Yeah, someone like was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that either. You had to do it. Yes, and I also think it's a certain kind of person that can do that, and I wish I was that person, but I'm not. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You got to know your-.
Speaker 2:And I give a really good shampoo.
Speaker 1:That's good. You got to know what you do, your strengths and your weaknesses.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, weaknesses, yes, yeah, okay, so my stylist in and out for 2025 all right, this one will take some explaining as well. Is my end for 2025 is I'm going to work more hours and my out is I'm going to stop holding myself back, huh behind the chair. I, I know, I know. Let me explain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't wait. This is, this is so confusing. But okay, Cause like we've literally been talking about like oh, I'm hiring an assistant.
Speaker 2:Like I don't have to go work like crazy and blah, blah, blah, my body hurts. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, okay, yeah, so all right, here's the thing. Okay, hey, yeah, so all right, here's the thing. Okay. Yes, I hired assistant because I have autoimmune things. My body can only take so much, and so I hired her in. She started with me and I feel like July, no, may, may of last year.
Speaker 2:It's been a wonderful year and I have been able to. We've talked about my, I've been able to increase my revenue quite a bit having her with me and I feel amazing, like not one thing hurts in my body. I feel great, I feel rested, all these things. But what I realized by the end of the year is that because there are limitations physically with me at the chair, I have really I really hold myself back and I've really allowed myself to have fear out of pushing myself too much, working too much.
Speaker 2:What I found was I was really just kind of doing not bare minimum when I was at the salon, but I was opening my books bare minimum, because I was afraid. And that's not me, that's not my personality, that's not how I am, I don't like that. So through the holidays I opened up one day a week and I don't have an assistant on that day because she's taking clients and the reason it's come to this is because she's taking clients on Thursdays and I want to be up at the salon while she's there and still learning as a protege hairstylist and I thought, well, if I'm up there, I might as well let me just try to take some clients. And I did that and I love it. It feels so good.
Speaker 2:I realized I missed that because I was working just 10 to five Wednesdays and Fridays and you know my books are full and stuff. But I've lost clients over the years because of my lack of availability and hours. And so I'm not saying I'm like indefinitely adding all these hours, but I'm having fun adding some time because I've had new people get onto my schedule. I've had some clients who stopped coming to me because of my schedule, who have now some clients who stopped coming to me because of my schedule, who have now booked into the new year with me again and it just feels really good. So I'm not like back in the day I'd work all the hours out of fear and then I flipped and I started working very little hours out of fear.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. And I like to work, I like it, I like to be busier, I like to get more people in. But I think I've learned so much in the almost 20 years I've been doing hair, that, how to truly balance that, to kind of feed that part of me where I like to work more but not push it. So, yeah, and I'm going back to my financial plan, I'm excited Working an extra couple days a month. That's going to help that. I have some other financial goals that I want to hit.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think too it's important to, when you're doing that, to reassess it, like if it's becoming too much and it's not starting to be fun anymore and it's hurting your body like you have the ability to then remake on that decision.
Speaker 2:For sure, and like what I've done is I've opened up some Thursdays up until I'm going on a big trip in February, and then I didn't, and then I'm going to wait and see how I feel.
Speaker 1:And then I might open up more and I might not. You know, I love that.
Speaker 2:So it's really in my control. So, yeah, well, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Once you explained it, it makes sense and I like it. I like it too. I've been kind of doing the same thing. I work my Mondays and Wednesdays with my assistants and I've been sprinkling in clients here and there on the other days and not long days, you know, but like normally I was I was before I was very rigid, like I don't want to go in for like a client or two. But sometimes it's kind of nice to just go in for a client or two.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. It's so interesting, I think, like I'm really starting to feel like having been in this industry for as many years as I have, like the ebbs and the flows, the ups and the downs and how I don't know there's I can't quite put my finger on it yet but it's like. You know our last episode we talked to Morgan, who was just 25 and going and growing and doing all the things that I've lived that life, and then in the last couple of years I've kind of slowed down to enjoy my life more. But it's like, well, that isn't the end, all be all. I can ramp it back up again, I can bring it down, and it's kind of exciting. I probably have a solid 20 more years of doing hair if I want to.
Speaker 1:Right, and it's cool Like we talked about this too, like our industry is so cool because you you can be at whatever point you want to be, when, when you're able to, like you don't have to go, go, go, go, go go all the time you can take a step back.
Speaker 2:Well especially with us. You know we have kids and so my kids are at an age where I can work a little bit more, and that's totally fine. And then there might be a time when my kids are in like high school and graduating. I don't want to work as much and then maybe, once they're off into college, I want to work more. It's exciting to be able to have that control over our career.
Speaker 1:I agree, I love it. Okay so, owner ins and outs for owners. Okay, so my in as an owner would be to have quarterly meetings with my stylists to assess their goals and create them and how we achieve them. Which leads me to my out, which is no leadership, being too lax and letting them just do what they want to do and just assume that they think that's great, because they don't want someone breathing over their shoulder.
Speaker 2:So let me explain. Let me explain.
Speaker 1:I've always operated. I'm a very chill person by nature. Like I always say, it takes a lot to make me mad. Like a lot Once I'm mad. It's pretty hard to get me unmad, but like I'm very chill, like I'm not, it's pretty hard to get me unmad. But like I'm very chill, like I'm not OCD about things, I just I can listen, I have no problems.
Speaker 1:I think for a long time I let that thought process of being so chill, like oh, people love that. Why would these stylists who are their own bosses want me breathing down their neck, Like you know, who are their own bosses, want me breathing down their neck, like you know? Like why would they what you know, whatever? Like I think that was my mentality and I kind of realized recently that there is a reason that these stylists are choosing to work in this type of salon environment. If they didn't want someone helping them, mentoring them, growing them, leading them, they would have gone into a loft, they would have done their own thing, and so, yeah, they want to run their own business, but they're in my salon because they see something in me they want to learn from or to grow from, and everybody's going to be a little bit different.
Speaker 1:So you know, maybe that leads me to my end then which is these quarterly goals with stylists. So I want to set up little meetings with them, and they might end up being like little zoom calls where we just sit one-on-one and be like okay, so what are your goals, like, what do you want to do this quarter? What are something I can help you with, what are some things that you're feeling? And just really get in touch and in tune with each person individually and meet them where they're at, not where I think they're at, and that's my goal.
Speaker 2:I love that because I think what you're finding is the middle ground. There's the super, like just open, let you do what you want. No, you know, just letting them do their thing because they're independent. And you kept using the words breathing down their neck, yes, but I think that's the problem. There's someone in between there.
Speaker 1:Yes, there is.
Speaker 2:Leadership does not equal breathing down Poor leadership, toxic leadership, equals breathing down someone's neck. But true leadership, and like what you just said, the reason why they're at your salon they want some sort of mentorship and guidance or support Doesn't mean you're micromanaging and you're their boss, but that's how you can support them and I think that that's great. And here's the thing, because I offer monthly coaching with all of my stylists and I used to have a lot of them take me up on that and the majority of them don't do it anymore. Yeah, and that's okay and I will remind them of that. We're going to do a vision board workshop here in the next couple weeks as a team and I'm going to remind them of that and maybe they'll want to pick it back up again.
Speaker 1:You know, and I think that's the point of like meeting them where they're at Like there might be a time when they need you. There might be a time when they don't, but it's important to make sure that you are available and letting them know you're available, willing and excited to help them.
Speaker 2:Yes, I always have time for my team, no matter what. Yes, they just have to speak up.
Speaker 1:Yes, Totally I love that.
Speaker 2:Okay, mine's a little similar and I've kind of talked about this before. My in for 2025 is nurturing my current business where it's at, and my out is constantly pushing for more, for growth. The next step, the next phase, next reiteration of my business. So what that means is kind of like what you're saying is, whether it's with my salon business or my education business, I'm really going to focus on what I've already built and nurture it and make it stronger and better.
Speaker 2:And so, as a salon owner, that means I'm going to continue to lean into my team more, create more events for us, like we're doing a vision board workshop here, coming up more classes, more listening and I like what you said meeting them where they're at. What do they want, not what do I think they want, what do they need. And that also goes hand in hand with more hours for myself as a stylist, because I'm in the salon more, I'm physically more available for the whole team, so I'm excited to nurture it. I'm doing the same thing with my education business. I'm taking what works and I'm going to strengthen it, make it stronger, instead of adding more things to it, because more isn't always better, I just want to be really good at the things I'm really good at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's 100% fair. I love that mentality, gosh. I remember years ago someone being like just like, have your hand in so many, what is the thing? Hand in so many jars, hand in so many pots, your what's?
Speaker 2:the thing I don't know, but I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:You know where I'm going with this and I be like well, I love doing all the things, blah, blah, blah, and I do. I do love doing all the things, but I feel like a lot of that was coming and I'm just figuring this out. A lot of that was coming out of fear of not being relevant and yeah, yeah, figuring these things out as I'm maturing, where you see everybody doing all these things around you and you define success, like the trend thing, like you said.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yes, you define success in a different way and, gosh, this almost touches on what Morgan said too, like last week. It's like you start to just get just caught up in this like comparison and it's really just a fear of not being relevant. And then you do all these things and you realize like that was not fulfilling at all.
Speaker 2:Like what is a lot of work.
Speaker 1:That was a lot of work for like nothing. And so what you said being good at, like you know what you do, like I want, I too. I'm starting to like kind of focus on the things that I want to be good at and be really good at those things, and that's exciting. And so my big thing is being a good leader. So this year you will see a lot of me just absolutely driving that home Like I wanna be the best leader I can possibly be for my team and for my family, and I cannot wait to like really put it into action.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's exciting and what I said earlier I haven't said that before and I think I'm gonna write this down and make it my thing of for the 2025. I want to be really good at what I'm really good at. I think that that resonates with me Like we're not going to try and make ourselves better because we're enough. We are all enough in what we do. We're all good enough. We already have, I mean, all the stylists that we work with, right? Aren't they all amazing? It's like people that we work with who have goals and stuff. They want more for themselves. It's like you have it all right now. It's just a matter of getting really good at this and focusing on what you're so good at and stop trying to feel like, yeah, you need to be like everybody else.
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 2:Yes, just leaning into you, lean in, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's a hard. I think it's a hard thing to do. I think it's a hard thing to do in our industry, um, just in society in general, with everything we're exposed to every single day. But once it's so, it's so interesting when you start to find that figure that out right, like I don't know, it's a kind of a cool place to be. So I'm really excited about 2025. Um, I just have a feeling that this is going to be one of my best years yet. So I'm I'm excited and yay for ins and outs. Thank you for listening to the messy hairstylist podcast. If you like what you heard today, make sure you hit that follow button on your favorite podcast platform. We can't wait to check in with you next week.
