Busting Spiritual Facades: Performance vs. Presence with Justin Egliskis

Ever caught yourself "performing" spirituality—chasing outcomes or trying to  “wake up," only to end up more exhausted? 

In this episode of Live Like Eden: Spiritual Awakening Unraveled, Lindsay chats with Justin Egliskis about "Mental Traps While Waking Up," busting the ego's sneaky games that turn your journey into a status symbol.

We touch on two game-changing truths:

1. The Performance Trap: Why many of us mistake "doing" awakening  for real being—Justin shares insightful shifts that snap you out of it, plus a simple question to reclaim true peace when the grind begins to feel fake.
2. Finding Presence in Isolation: The gritty, lonely side of awakening—from emotional breakdowns or relationship rifts—is lonelier and more beautiful than our minds suggest. Justin opens up on how solitude teaches deeper Spiritual connection, ditching the noise for authentic joys.

Tune in to laugh at the traps, embrace the mess, and wake up for real—your unfiltered path is the beauty that awaits. 

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Hi, I'm Lindsay host of the Live Like Eden podcast. What do you do when your whole life flips upside down? Are you questioning everything lost in chaos or yearning for life's deeper meaning? I've been there deep in the thick of it unraveling my own awakening mass for over 20 years Now I'm here to help you through yours I share no-nonsense weekly wake-ups cutting through the ego's illusions to wake you up to your own spiritual wisdom No mountaintop bliss needed here Just practical tools insights and real-life experience to save you time plus a much-needed laugh We're all losing it. 

Let's dive into this fresh new episode Hi everybody, I hope you're doing well, I hope you enjoyed last week's show and got some comic relief out of it Maybe you're applying some humor now to your everyday life and the madness that happens Today I sit down with Justin Egliskis. He has a podcast called energy alignment for entrepreneurs But today we speak candidly about the trying of waking up and when we try something so much it never happens We'll look into the messier side of shifting your perspective in life and the isolation and loneliness that can happen And we really just speak a lot about the deeper purpose in life and using your own everyday Experiences as your teacher Justin is a true philosopher at heart.
 You will see that when he speaks I hope you enjoy this conversation and I will be back with you next week All right, hello Justin welcome to my show today I'm so excited to have you here with me I'm super glad to be here. This is it's gonna be fun I know I've been really looking forward to this as we've been, you know back and forth for a little bit but You work specifically on energy alignment for entrepreneurs we're gonna dive into two really cool topics today for everybody listening and the first one being this Concept of trying to awaken I know on the show we talk about all the things in what happens when the undoing process happens the ego gets involved, right? 

It starts to want to try to make something happen So we're gonna look at that and how there can be sort of a performance aspect with it And opposed to genuine awakening. What are some things you can do to actually shift that for yourself? and then we'll also look at another thing which is really near and dear to my heart Justin and I'm sure is yours as well is the messier side of waking up the nitty-gritty the stuff that nobody wants to talk about the darkness the Isolation and all that and loneliness and how it can actually be a door that opens us to something more beautiful So we'll get into that but before we get started and I'll stop talking here in a minute as I want to get to know you I'd love to hear about your own personal journey in life and how you got to be where you are today and Talking about all these really wonderful things.
 So go ahead and have the floor I've been working on this balance of as I've Expanded and learned about myself. I kind of veered away from The sense of self like me and all these things that I've done my past my experiences my knowledge but then all simultaneously kind of realized that you have to be in it and not in it and the game that I enjoy the most is 

really the nuance of the paradox like How do I put it just to keep it simple as I was growing up fitness was always the Avenue Where I started to notice time warp For example, I would play like whether it be kickball in the backyard or an actual football game in high school I would watch three hours go by and I'm playing that game and it just there's no sense of self I'm not thinking it's almost like I'm not even conscious When I'm really in that flow state so fitness was always that foundation for me and I think I've studied a lot of stoicism and I like to keep my perceptions simple and Marcus really says one of these quotes where he says don't burden yourself by Envisioning your entire future like in one moment I think that almost leads me into the trickiness of awakening, but ultimately just to keep my Context straightforward here with you It was like fitness number one Avenue, and then I had pain right family situation Father wasn't necessarily around He wasn't fitting into the idea that I had programmed into myself of what a father should be Lo and behold, he was exactly who I needed I needed him to not be the perfect father to learn About the nature of consciousness So it you know, that's even already getting into the topics of what we're gonna speak about today I like where you're going with that because you already you see what we've been Conditioned like you said to believe that this is a big one too with the parents aren't doing what they should be and I had A terrible upbringing and a lot of people would take that and wallow in it their entire life Maybe even lifetimes We'll just keep carrying that Victim hood, but it's interesting you took that as he was what I needed him to be for me And he allowed you to do the work that you needed So that's a great way to see things and what a healing experience for you Yeah, it's kind of reframing has been extremely powerful for me And it's it's like what am I to do if I can't change the situation, right? 

All I have is the ability to better understand the nature of who he is Who those right if someone yells at you or if someone in traffic rages it right the the list goes on there are so many different situations in life where we can have stimulus thrown at us Alan Watts he talks about it's kind of like trying to bite your own teeth or touch the tip of your finger with the same tip of the finger like so I try to live in a way where I'm leading by example because It's cool to talk about like what has been helpful for me specifically but I love to bring it back to the structures of what a human being is and I feel whether it be your father your mother or a friendship that went wrong or an intimate relationship That broke your heart like there's always gonna be these things and we just have to have the capacity to Look at the situation and kind of like take the nuggets because in pain there's vitality I don't know. 

It's a it's a beautiful loop if you stop moving kind of like a headless chicken and you take the time the energy to Seeing this is where the isolation is valuable, right? 

How are you to understand deeply emotional packed? Situations in your life if there isn't that stillness to really be present with the energy Exactly. Yeah. Well, the world is a constant circus, right? I mean we're living in a one massive distraction whether it's you know Projected out in front of us and we're doing the projection other people are projecting the media is projecting It's just constant distraction so that we don't actually have to go and look within and like you just said, you know Build that connection or that still point that's really available where?
 Everything can shift in your life when you do that You know everything like you said, you know, you're seeing with more compassion or you're seeing and understanding something 

but when you're just moving at Mach speeds and Grabbing a hold of every little thing.
 You just there's no possible way that you can see that, you know, no possible way Right, you get knocked over instantaneously and you're forced to sit down, right? Uh-huh. It's due to people In in sometimes that's even good too. I want to bridge this to the trying to wake up I feel what happened to me as I was getting out of high school is I was so familiar with a group of friends And I started to realize wait I don't enjoy how I feel after I leave hanging out with them and I really had to chew on that and This was even before I had any awareness of what? 

Spirit was really but even me saying that as I say that From being a kid. I always wondered like how did we get here? What am I doing here? Who am I like I remember thinking like are other people's as aware of their thoughts Like it was so weird because I didn't have like the verbiage to articulate the awareness but even as a kid, I was like aware of This game that was going on And as I go through the movements, I realized alright wait I'm doing these things that are familiar, but they're not actually fruitful. 

So that nuance between familiarity and Change it's like change is uncomfortable. But what if I'm uncomfortable anyways? 

What if I've gotten used to being uncomfortable and I think that's normal, but I've just adopted a weak baseline I don't want to talk for 20 minutes straight. So what do you know? I love I love listening and I think it's great to hear so I mean you bring up a good point is you mentioned that you you didn't like the way that you felt right after you're with these friends or this group of people and Can you expand a little bit?
 Like what did you feel like and how did you go about shifting that and did you purposely like distance yourself? Did you say I need to leave these people or did you just stay and learn how to deal with it? Like what was your what was your route that you took?
 Yeah, it it was kind of tough Because I didn't really know anything else They were kind of like my group and Honestly, I kind of just walked away and It wasn't like a burning of bridges actually, one of my one of the people in this situation just got out of jail a couple days ago and I'm in contact with him and I'm grateful to be in contact with him and I know he has a good heart and It was just kind of like this is the funny part about life Sometimes you have to walk away for things to strengthen the paradox Yeah, but how I dealt with it I kind of refocused my priorities and this is what I always say I try not to give step-by-step guides in relationship to spirituality because the moment I think I know Something that you don't know I'm lost myself So I'm not a authority once whoever but at the same time like fitness simple nutrition working on a form of business endeavor and just really changing what I focus on being aware of the relationship between my inputs and how I feel whether that be digital input physical input or Like emotional people who whom around so it was tough But that's what led me to start meditating and like meditating itself What a what a helpful action, it's really how else can I put it? 

Well, I can alter the course of your life for sure So do you have a regular meditation practice that you do now or what is your experience with meditation? It was funny because I was super disciplined woke up at like 3 a.m. For years straight Same thing daily 30-minute meditation then I got to this point where I was like wait Am I just attached to this right? 

Am I getting in it? This is the type of person I am I don't recommend everyone be like this, but I had to challenge myself so I stopped meditating for a while and now recently I picked it up again, and I think that's the sort of I Say whether you do a guided meditation whether you I just sit down Sometimes my eyes are open. 

Sometimes I close my eyes. Sometimes I'm focusing on my breath Sometimes I forget I'm breathing when I'm in a deep deep minute So, you know, it's like it's kind of the game of real simply How do I feel after I do X right and just being aware of that?
 How do I feel after I do X? 

That's what it is, you know, you made a good point there Which is am I attached to my meditation? Like if I don't do my meditation, am I gonna set myself up for a horrible day? Am I gonna have a bad attitude? You know have you cling to it so much that you actually think you need it to have you know This productive day or whatever people are doing well I don't know what you think about this, but I found in my own experience in life that meditating is Wonderful, but it's can you take the meditation that you're doing in the practice that you have or the 30 minutes or the 10? 

However, many moments that you have to devote to that But can you take that what you're learning there? There's still quiet place of emptiness and can you move with that throughout your day? That to me seems like the ticket, you know your can you? 

Meditate all the time. It's a moving meditation Can you be the watcher as you're moving through your daily life and your kids are screaming at you and you're going, you know can you still be very connected to that meditation because I think a lot of people meditate and It's gone when they leave, you know, and they're racing around and they're a mess So, I don't know what your thoughts are on that or if you do it in your own life, but maybe you can share What a great thing to bring up and that was pretty much my meaning behind dropping the meditation I was like, all right, let me see Can I make this work and Honestly, that's been one of the most beautiful endeavors in my life just kind of taking that leap something I say frequently or I've seen in myself is Like you sit in stillness and then you realize that things were there that you never knew were there But in order for The quote- unquote demons or the darkness to leave. 

I love this analogy Have you ever heard of a trapdoor spider? Oh, what a trapdoor spider? 

Yeah they're like these spiders and I love to look at nature to learn about consciousness because the game the creator I feel has like a Joker esque vibe at times Like insert Hitler insert pedophiles, right? if why is our world how it is if there was one source to it all and and To me, it's kind of like the trapdoor spider reminds me of the meaning behind Sitting in meditation as a practice because you start to see what was trapped beneath the woodworks What was deep within you? 

But then for it to actually leave you have to have it triggered in daily life So you take that awareness from the meditation and you notice? Oh, there's the friction moment by moment I'm driving in traffic. Why am I doing this? Why am I thinking this way? 

Why am I then you kind of you sit with the friction the reaction the energy in the moment? but you maybe wouldn't have had the awareness without the meditation. Right. So then in 

daily life, it's like the darkness that you got awareness of in stillness, you can let it evaporate from you as it gets triggered in real life and you correct it.
 You like righteously see the situation. You notice the energy. I think my main obsession with spirituality is like observing, observing thought, observing emotion, watching myself as the kids are screaming or whatever it may be. But then the light replaces that trap door. 

You know, you had something trapped within you. Now it's coming out as you observe it, it changes, the light goes in. So that's like one of those metaphors I enjoy. Well, it's a great tool because you're getting real with yourself too. You know, you're actually seeing yourself clearly when I think a lot of people, if they have that bad reaction that comes out, it's an immediate, I'm a bad person. 

You know, a lot of people have this programming, I'm terrible. Let's just keep pushing that down and it just keeps exploding rather than when you're with that observer and you're actually really looking with serious awareness with no judgment, right?
 You're dropping that, which is so huge. You're just looking clearly and saying, and there's a little bit of humor that comes, I think over time, not at first, but almost a comical, like, oh my God, what am I doing? 

Like, I'm seriously a freak right now. You know, I'm insane. If you don't take yourself so seriously all the time, right? And you just relax and you're able and you're really willing to look and see what you're doing, it brings a lightness to it instead of this heavy, you know, oh my God, I'm horrible kind of energy, you know?
 That's the trying to wake up trap, isn't it? Yeah, let's go there now, Justin. Take us to the trying of it. I was kind of looking at what you were saying. I was talking about this yesterday where it's like, okay, if I take my life too serious, there's a problem.
 But if I don't take my life serious enough, also a problem. Sorry for that jingle. It's okay, it's okay. And it's like, all right, so my seriousness comes in the form of fundamentals, foundational aspects to life, right? 

Fitness, nutrition, inputs. But then my not seriousness comes in with the lack of judgment, right? Because what you say is such a beautiful point of that's the trap. Oh, you had a reaction. Oh, you noticed energy. The trap is judging yourself. The trap is wanting to be lighter or more holy than you are. 

It's like, well, this is what I am. Well, I'm gonna have to learn to accept what I am. And then naturally the funny part about it is once you stop trying so hard to change, then you naturally change. That's an interesting dichotomy, isn't it? Yeah. When you stop trying, things just happen. 

It's so true. And then you have to look at what is trying so hard? You know, what is it that's trying so hard? The identity is so like that ego identity that's climbing a ladder and seeking some achievement is to me getting itself involved with being an awakened being.
 You know, you see a lot of this today where people just want to have some, I don't really know, some perfect blissed out ecstasy, you know, state of mind constantly, which just doesn't even seem, you know, possible to me if you're really looking at it clearly. 

But you know, what is that about? What is that about? The identity that's seeking for trying so hard to reach a certain status of spirituality. Right, that in itself is, it's like, I don't know how far you can go. 

And I do my best to not limit the path, but at the same time, you have to get so good at noticing the implications of your thinking, which is hard to put into words. I like to use this line, you have to read between the lines of the words of your thinking.
 Like you look at the implications of how I'm thinking and it's tricky because you definitely need to have like goals and foundations, but especially in the spiritual evolution, it's kind of like the only way that you further yourself is by not obsessing over the furthering. 

So what am I to do really is one of those questions, like straightforward. I always come back to simple fundamentals and there's like a precipice or a cliff where you realize, hey, things are as they are. And I'm where I'm meant to be. And all the things that I want to change, who I want to become, it will happen when I walk in faith, when I trust. 

So how do I let go of wanting to become while still executing on that, which keeps me clear? You know, and then I always come back to seeing the world through a vibrational state of being, because if I realize, all right, I do these things and then I feel wonderful and I can share that clarity with others, then I see more. 

If I obsess over operating at a high frequency all the time, then I'm being fake. Yeah, I think what you're getting at is you're operating in a state of allowance. You're allowing the life to lead you. And as you said, even if you have certain goals or things in mind that you want to achieve or you want your life to go in a certain direction, it's still maintaining a sense of allowing yourself to be guided to wherever that, maybe that goal is not exactly how your mind had it, but it's leading you to something slightly different or where you truly need to be. 

You know, that's another thing. One of my friends, he keeps saying God works in weird ways. And I had a partnership kind of end recently, but then immediately it was so beautiful. 

It was so beautiful because the same day that the partnership ended, I had an amazing day. It was just kind of like, man, younger Justin would not be able to enjoy himself. I just kind of realized like, hey, there's nothing to hold on to here. When earlier this year, my first dog I ever had, she passed away, she died. 

On my shoulders, I carried her out of the woods for 30 minutes. She's like 90 pounds. What happened? In the woods? Did she just die in the woods? It was really beautiful because my girlfriend was behind me and she was conscious the whole time we were walking.
 And the moment I put her down in the car, her spirit jumped out of her body within the next few minutes I was holding her. 

And she had a heart tumor that kind of punctured, something like that. And this was so funny. I don't wanna get into too much detail, but we had another leash with my other dog. And the moment I turned around and noticed that my Miss B, she was sitting there and she started wobbling, the other leash broke on my other dog. 

And I'm like, all right, yep, yep. And see, this is kind of the in the moment. In the moment, my ego was like, what? But I was also so aware that I had nothing else to do but be strong. Physically strong with 90 pound dog on my back for 30 minutes, but also just strong in terms of accepting and realizing like life is impermanent. 

It's like we would love for everyone to live forever, but would we really love that? There's one rapper who I enjoy and OutKast is his name. And he kind of says the everyday ruler can't be too wrong. And with this partnership ending, I realized I'm like, there's a new beginning. There's something new coming my way. Well, there's always the grieving, which is very human, very natural process with any loss. Doesn't matter what it is, a loss of a relationship, a partnership, a career path, whatever it is. There's that moment where you feel like you could never move forward. 

Well, I don't know what to do with myself, but it's that new beginning that's coming. And the mind is just so terrified of what it's not comfortable with. 

That's really what it is. It's not comfortable and it'll be comfortable even in its misery. Well, I'm comfortable in my misery. That's why I'm terrified to get out of it. I don't know what lies ahead and I'm terrified of the unknown, I think is what we're kind of pointing at there.
 Right, I'm glad you bring up the word, the unknown, because I think that's a huge nugget in this journey is learning how to change your relationship with uncertainty. I like to say sometimes the truest of kings are the kings of nothing. It's just like, I know in my heart that I have been brought to this earth for a reason and all simultaneously, I know I'm not special. Because the moment I think I'm special, then it just corrupts everything. So it's like that sort of balance of, all right, there's something going on. 

And I always come back to the intelligence of the universe. This is why I was kind of talking when I was complimenting your shirt at the beginning with the leaves, the colors, the flowers, there's the impermanence, the joy, the death, the heartbreak, the, you know, how are we to enjoy this? 

Well, you kind of, you gotta be in it and not in it. How do you do that? Well, get good at living in uncertainty. What's the real practicality of that? I would say it's like observing your sense of self. What creates your sense of self? The trio, memory, knowledge, and experience.
 So if you can observe your relationship to your memory, knowledge, experience, how does that get communicated? The vehicle of thought. So it always comes back to me. 

How can I be aware of my thinking, my emotions, my energy, whilst having a little humor? I think humor is so important. Yeah, people get so wrapped up in themselves and don't see the humor, they don't see it. And it's like, they're believing in this whole thing.
 Like, you know, but I get it, to each his own. And whenever you're ready to let go of certain things, you're ready, you know? I think that's part of the messy, messy path is like something that happened to me. I wanted other people to see how I saw. I wanted to help other people who weren't ready to help themselves. 

And then I come across something like, you know, to force truth upon someone who isn't ready for truth, that's not right. 

So it's like this weird compassion of, all right, if you wanna be miserable, you can be miserable. I pray for you, I love you, I forgive you, and you will learn, you will. I don't know when, I don't know how, but I know that you have the intelligence in you.
 My sisters, for example, they're very, they find themselves rushing a lot. They are unprepared. They create their own hamster wheel cycles of suffering. They won't listen to me, because I'm their brother. I'm just their brother, but. I don't care what you have to say. 

Family is like that. They literally do not care what you have to say. You brought up something interesting there, which is why would I, you know, stop somebody's misery. I kind of look at it too, like, you see, you can almost see where somebody's gonna go, right, but it's their decision to make, it's their path, and why would I deny them the opportunity to see clearly, if that means going down a really long rabbit hole, you know, there's beauty in that, and maybe we can touch on this now, is, you know, when you're in that, let's say you make a decision to go down a really dark path, you know, is that such a bad thing? 

You know, is there some opportunity in that that's gonna offer this person a wake-up call, or an epiphany in life, or, you know, whatever it is in form, but allowing them to do it. So what do you see as the beauty that lies underneath the darkness, or the messier parts, or even the loneliness? 

What do you see there? I think it's a newfound sense of sensitivity, or a expansion, like, earlier I was kind of saying the pain invokes vitality, and I, in my own journey, I kind of feel like what happened to me, although my standards may be a little bit different, right?
 And this is why I speak in a structural manner, rather than a content-specific manner, because if you go to rock bottom, I think you bounce off of rock bottom. 

If you go down to the bottom so fast, you will bounce off the bottom. Right. And that means, even when you're confused, being fully confused, like doing everything you do to your best capacity, even if you may be lost, what does that mean? It's kind of like, as above, as below.
 If you can touch the depths of hell, then you can touch heaven. But you can't do either without, you know, the yin-yang, the day and the night, the prey and predator, the rain, the elements, the fire, earth, air, water. Like, we need all of this in our lives. 

So it's kind of like, how can you just create a little bit of space? 

And this is where fundamentals, hiking in nature. Like on that day where the partnership thing happened, immediately I went and sat down, meditated, went on a walk. I'm like, hey, my life's not bad, you know? I can guarantee you, if I were to pick up my phone and just scrolled for 40 minutes, and then I would have been in probably a much different state of being. 

So that's kind of where, I love to speak metaphorical, philosophical, but I also, like in the Bible, in the holy books, they talked like, tie your camel. Like, don't just think the camel's gonna stay there. Like, you know, change your oil. Make sure your tires have air in them. Just viewing life from this. Practical. Yeah, you have to use practicality here, or you're gonna get very lost. 

Right. So what can you speak to personally of just real loneliness that brought you to a state of understanding or beauty in your life? I think, you know, the toughest one was I had an on 

and off relationship with a lady who I cared deeply about in high school.
 And then like one day I checked her phone and I never checked her phone because I was never an insecure guy, but it was like spirit. And I read something. I'm like, Oh, and then that, that just, it sent me into this stoic state of, you know what? I got to make some changes. See, this is a lot of people in relationships specifically. So many business people have talked about the importance of choosing your partner wisely. Like, what does that mean? 

So the pain of that relationship being on and off in a toxic tit for tat thing, it, it led me to understanding what I didn't want. And this is a huge point. Same thing with my father. My father showed me how to stop being his son and how to be a real man because I realized that he was the perfect anti-role model. 

And so then a lot of the times in life, it's like you could say, Oh, I don't have anyone good around me. Well, first of all, you have technology. I've learned so much from people who have been dead for a while. Like the people who I've listened to the most over the past seven years or so have all passed away before 2000s for the most part. 

That's one thing. But the other thing is anti-role models. Like it's, it's so helpful to know what you don't want to be. 

And for me, it was like that relationship showed me, I can't do this again. I cannot be in something where we're just half-assing it. You know, I'd much rather be alone in solid. And that's what I did. And lo and behold, then a magnificent lady comes into my life.
 How? Because I stopped wanting her. Yeah. I just realized it's me. I gotta, I gotta be the guy when I'm the guy, I'll meet the lady. Right. Focus on yourself. Yeah. That's so cool that you learned that seem like you're fairly young. So you learned that fairly young. 

A lot of people, you know, they don't want to see a situation as beneficial to them. It's something that was terrible for them, especially when you talk about role models or relationships. If somebody wronged me, well, I want to hate them forever, right?
 That's the ego's destiny, like to just, if it feels threatened, it's going to attack no matter what. So the fact that you can, you know, you're stepping outside of that already and like, no, I don't want to ever do that again. So you don't, but a lot of people will go and attract the same exact relationships over and over and over and still blame and blame and blame and never see that that is an opportunity to break free, you know, to really get outside and say, you know, I have a choice. 

Like I don't have to do any of this. 

And maybe this person is actually gifting me something so profound. They're showing me what I don't need. Thank you so much. You know, like for freeing me, because I don't want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me anyway. Right. I was just saying this to one of my daughters the other day, I was like, Do you really want to be with a guy who doesn't show interest in you? 

And she was like, No. And I said, Well, then what are we sulking around for? Right. Like, you were happy before. So you can be happy. Yeah, but it's just something we do. You get into these patterns. And you know, once you know, thinking less, there's that real serious awareness that's just sitting in, you know, right. 

Sometimes it's kind of things have to fissure. Sometimes, like for me, that was what happened. It was like a volcano, marinating, marinating, marinating, then, hey, you squeeze that lemon, squeeze that pain. 

And see, this is one of the most fundamental shifts anyone can make is to let go of the victim mentality. Like if you can stop saying why me, if you can stop saying, this happened to me, and you can really look at, all right, but what's the fruit? What did I learn here?
 My junior year, we were like, nine and oh, nine and one in our football team. And we got crushed by one other team mid season. And that loss taught us way more than all the wins. Like it was getting absolutely obliterated, taken off of our high horse, humbled, right?
 This is where God works in weird ways. But see, this is where I don't know how to decipher exactly why, how people are where they are in conscious awareness. But to me, it's kind of like, you can feel some people, I don't know how many times you've been here before, like certain people, but it's like, the levels of consciousness are, there's just so many different roles being played. 

And I think I like that phrase, because it gives me some warmth in understanding, all right, well, they're playing that role. And you just kind of get a taste of realizing the nature of the universe itself. And that can be so unhinging. And that's why I always come back to the fundamentals. 

Because if you don't have the practicalities, and you're so aware, it can be like my childhood felt hard, because I don't know, I was just sensitive. But that sensitivity, juice the lemon, juice the lemon, juice the lemon. Well, that's really great. Juice the lemon.
 That's funny. Well, there are, it appears that there are many, many levels here. It certainly looks that way. We never know where anybody is. And it's not really our business to know where anybody else is either. I don't think, you know, we can respect each other for where we are and respect that people can make their own decisions. 

And gosh, if we could continue to live in a world where people actually respected other people's opinions, that would be nice. Because we're at a strange time where you can't say anything without offending somebody else or that understanding component, I think that you're getting at and that compassion is something that has to be birthed in the individual, right? 

And it's the only way that each person has to come to that in their own time. And not everyone does and that and that's okay, too. You know, there's that part too, that you just say everyone is where they are. If you know that or if you have a strong sense, or maybe you have a suspicion that all of us are really returning to the to the Godhead or God or home or you know, whatever words you use, then everyone will do that on their own time.
 We're all we all return so we can respect that in each other. But let's try to wrap up today, Justin, is there anything else that you want to touch on you want to share with the listeners, what you're up to now where we can find you, you have a very soothing voice, some people might really like listening to you.
 So where can we find you? Well, thank you so much. What a great conversation. It's so fun when time just goes by fast. And that's what I experienced here. So I'm grateful for having this opportunity today. Thank you. I love it. My main platform, you just Energy Alignment for Entrepreneurs on podcast. 

And it's funny, one of the state cops at Jiu Jitsu, he's retired, but he goes to me a couple months ago, you need to narrate, you need to narrate audiobooks. 

And I looked into that. But hey, I love the podcast. I've heard that from so many people. And I think it's maybe just a manifestation of the homeostasis or like where I operate most of the time, hey, I'm not always peaceful. If you catch me after Jiu Jitsu, and I'm soaked in sweat, I'm probably a little bit more like that. 

But it's been a blast. And I am working on sort of like a fitness offer Greek God method. But I'll leave that there. Ultimately, I think we covered so many great things I could, I will be talking on these topics until I'm dead. So I'm sure you will kind of understand that there's so much to touch on. 

And it's a conversation to me, I could talk about it for hours, you know, and it's lovely to cross paths with people like you who do the same. 

So thank you so much for your time. And I look forward to doing it again. Yeah, that would be awesome. I was just about to say the same thing. It would be cool to connect again in the future. But keep doing your thing. I love what you said in relationship to your daughter, like being a great parent.
 I appreciate that so much just for I don't know what they think. But from my vantage point, I'm trying, you know, and my time as their parent as children is almost over. So I look forward to parenting them as adults. Take care, Justin. We'll see you soon.
 Take care. Thank you so much. That's it for today's show. Thanks so much for listening. If it resonated, please share, follow and drop a review with your takeaways. It really means a lot. 

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