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Florida State Drops Opportunity in Clemson
Let me ask you one question The North Florida spot North Florida spore North Florida the North Florida You gotta give us a job You know what you the North Florida spot Hey Happy four hundred as we give you an instant reaction Is it happy?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah sure everybody's talking about it why not? I just looked that up. This is our 400th episode. Wow. Yeah yeah and we suck. We suck.
SPEAKER_02:We suck.
SPEAKER_01:Loses to Clemson will lose to Clemson barring a miracle.
SPEAKER_02:Well no, it's over. The final score is the only thing to be determined.
SPEAKER_01:24 to 10.
SPEAKER_02:It's gonna be the final.
SPEAKER_01:I mean they have the ball again.
SPEAKER_02:They'll probably down it. I mean, who cares? Yeah. Field goal, touchdown. Yeah, I got it.
SPEAKER_01:What? Alright there?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, keep the burp in. Who cares? You gotta drink when you watch this team play. I mean. Bad. Bad.
SPEAKER_01:Real bad. Um I almost didn't want to do a show.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Nobody wants to listen. Doing shows after you lose. I mean, after you do two or three of them, it sucks.
SPEAKER_01:And here we are on number five. Yeah, uh, another loss, big loss. That's nine of ten to Clemson for Florida State. We yeah. Um and this was lost in the first half. Yeah. Opportunities. Opportunity pissed away. Game plan was there, but Clemson didn't want to win this game.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:They suck.
SPEAKER_02:They suck.
SPEAKER_01:They've given up on Devo.
SPEAKER_02:Clemson is not good. Losing to Stanford was worse than losing to Clemson, but that's probably it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Clemson is not a good football team.
SPEAKER_01:You can't win a road game.
SPEAKER_02:No. So you're gonna you're gonna have to win a road game to make a bowl. Right, and I I I think logically the best chance you have is Florida. Florida. Because that'll be when everybody's trying. If you think that if you think this team's going up to Raleigh on a Friday night and doing anything but shitting down their leg, no. It's just sad.
SPEAKER_01:Sad. What are we doing? What are we doing? I mean, so is there any hope? No.
SPEAKER_02:No, there's no hope.
SPEAKER_01:Because you saw that dropped. Good plays, drops. Right, drops. Lucas had a drop. Um Pittman with a huge drop on the fourth down that you score a touchdown if he catches it, and then they go turn around and score. Yeah. That's it. That was a killer. That's 15 to nothing instead of tight game.
SPEAKER_02:Um, you know, you fumble in the red zone.
SPEAKER_01:Dabo's son did not get in on the two-point conversion.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was ridiculous. I I listen. The the calls were terrible. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Because Dabo was on them all.
SPEAKER_02:Right. He he he's been bitching all week about.
SPEAKER_01:Mike Morale never bitches. He needs to get on the officials more. No, he's not doing anything. But he needs to do something. Right. Well, Jimbo wouldn't have had that. No. You don't just let the guy headbutt your your guy and then they both throw punches and then they throw a flag on your guy. That's it. No.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:There was multiple times when you even have the terrible crew of West Durham. Listen. And Steve Adazio even saying that they they missed the call and they couldn't even get it right. It was terrible. Terrible officiating, but you drop the ball. You can't catch it. You can't kick it. You missed a kick. Terrible miss. I'm going to say this, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Mike Norvell, the entire staff, the entire. Like, they're they've been playing for weeks now. It has been not a matter of like if, but when. They know that they're not going to last here. He knows he's not gonna be here long term. These assistant coaches, they know that this shit is just, you know, going week to week to see if we still have a job. Players are the same way. That's why you see stuff like drops with when nobody's around you. Um those are those are killer.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, that's just right. And it it it kind of but but Castle Mano, not only the drops though, he he he misses throws. Sure. Because he can't see it. Yeah. And you're paying this guy to be the quarterback. Right. You you're paying him money. Right.
SPEAKER_02:You got a QB that's not not a very good thing. I'd rather just go with the freshman. It's not a very good QB. So you know, you're starting to see why, like why he wasn't recruited more heavily. You know, why why Florida State wanted him as an athlete and not a quarterback coming out of high school. You know, why why it was that Gus moved on and and chose other guys to be quarterback at UCL.
SPEAKER_01:Well he got benched at BC.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Because he can't make throws. Well, he he just, yeah, there's just things he doesn't, you know, he's late.
SPEAKER_01:At this point, he's not that fast. He's not, he's not that athletic because he slips and falls all the time. Right. And it it it and play up, he doesn't make the plays. What the f why is he even playing? Why? Why is he even playing? Nah. He shouldn't be playing. I thought they should have been they should have been playing Sperry for weeks now. Right. I mean, once this you're out of it. Yeah, it's over. Out of it. Play the young guy. Play the young guy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But I mean, then you get a game like Wake Forest where you know everything goes right and you know everybody wants to rally.
SPEAKER_01:Way force played bad. They had opportunities and they didn't make them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Listen, this it I mean, everyone If you win a road game, you don't deserve to go no more. Every everything about this football program right now is just bad. But you got a brand new remodeled stadium and a you got everything. I mean, you got all kinds of nice bells and whistles, but the the what the product is trash. And it's you know, it it starts at the top. I I don't know what they're going to do, obviously. Whether they're gonna fire this asshole tomorrow. And listen, I I say asshole just just in the terms of being a football coach. I like personally, and it yeah, yeah. That's the thing. Like God may be a great guy in his in his life, you know.
SPEAKER_01:He's a hard working person. 99.9% of the time, yeah. But but it's he's not he we're not getting the guys to come. No. I'm sure there's more to it than just one guy, but that's what it falls, and you gotta have a new direction. Right. Well, he's never he's never recruited well. And that's you can't have that. Right. That's it. That that's out of here. Yeah. If you can't do that, and that's what that's why you got that's why even Willie got a chance, is because he could recruit. Right. And and and if he if if Mike could recruit like Willie, he'd probably be fine.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But that that that's the thing is like Willie, Willie could recruit. He could he could talk a good game, he could sell it. He couldn't run a program.
SPEAKER_01:But he had nothing else. But it's not, it's not just that though, because the players he are he is getting, they're not developing. So the transfers are coming in and they're hit, and now once was when he started, he was getting those big hits, he's not getting those anymore. Right, he those guys are gonna go to other schools.
SPEAKER_02:You know, he hit on Jared Verse, and that like I think we need to recognize the fact that that Jared Verse was a one in a million type of transfer. It's a kid that came in, not only could he back it up on the field, but he controlled the locker room. Like he was the alpha in the locker room, and and the team went as he went, and he had guys like Jordan Travis, kids that were there and that that would buy into it. Um added in. You can't recreate that. He hasn't been able to recreate that. It's not a sustainable model.
SPEAKER_01:There's no foundation to go back to even a seven-win team. No, or something like even what Clemson's doing, where they're just like, all right, we're gonna go back and try to. No, you have nothing. Oh, Clemson fucking sucks, too, man. I know, but they might get six wins if they're lucky. Yeah, they're not good. They're not they're not a good football team. Florida State. That would, you know, that was just an an ugly game almost. Right. This is a this is a game if it if it's in Tallahassee, it might go the other way. There were some terrible calls. If you have an average team, they win. Oh my god, dude. Yeah. I mean, catch the damn ball.
SPEAKER_02:If you just catch the easy one. This wasn't a game where Clemson came out and started hitting all cylinders.
SPEAKER_01:They didn't, they were just saying they got stopped by Clemson. No, they just couldn't catch the ball and they missed wide open throws. Florida State could have been up 30 to 6. Right.
SPEAKER_02:But they're not a good team.
SPEAKER_01:No, they're not. They drop the ball. They do whatever it takes. So at this point, it's it's it it's less about so you can't get those players. You're losing recruits. Yeah. I mean, recruiting is what are you doing? What are we doing here? Right. So is this the comprehensive evaluation?
SPEAKER_02:That's part of it. I don't know. Like, they there is a uh I mean, uh the part of me is just like, man, if if it could have gotten a little worse, Clemson would have maybe thrown another touchdown or two on the board. No, they're not good. And that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01:If they catch the ball, they could win. Right.
SPEAKER_02:That's that's my biggest fear is that they're gonna like this is going to become like, well, we were right there, but we just had a few bounces.
SPEAKER_01:The bounces is a bad bounce. You know, we won two games last year. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Gotta we gotta win what, another five, four or five this year, even even six, like like that's a game you should have won.
SPEAKER_01:If you had a good team. But I you know what? I'm done with Castellanos. I'm done with it. Right. I'm done with it, man. This was exactly he's late on the throws.
SPEAKER_02:You can't see this was the same exact performance that we got at Stanford. This was the same type of shit. Like, I'm I mean, I I know Stanford is worse in in terms of their record, but it's the same kind of shit. Like, if this team was out there fighting and and and you know, trying and scraping, they catch the ball, they make the plays, but they're not. They're just kind of out there going through the motions. And that's the biggest thing to me. Like, this is years six. This is year six. Right. One guy. One guy. You got one guy. But this is year six. Year six.
SPEAKER_01:And and you allow yourselves like who's on this team that's any good. You had one Deuce Robinson transfer from you know, just brought in. Right, you had to bring him in.
SPEAKER_02:You know, like you're like that that's that's another huge issue. There's so many issues with this program right now that keeping this coaching staff, keeping the head coach, just seems absolutely insane. But you owe him so much money if you make a change. How could you sign such a stupid deal? So I I like honestly, I think we're locked in.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:I think you're locked into next year being a lot like Florida's year this season. To when week by week we're gonna be asking ourselves, when do we finally shit can this guy? Like when is he finally gonna be on his way out? And it doesn't matter. There isn't a player on this team on the roster, there won't be a player next year that is that is worth worrying about firing Mike Norvell. Like, it it's just not, dude. This shit isn't working. You've got to make a change. I get it. They don't there's nobody out there that that is a good candidate to take over. Right. I'm I'm I'm dead serious, man. That's what Texas Tech did. Right. They got Joey Maguire out there, a legend in Texas high school coaching, and they're they're gonna make the playoff because they put money behind a guy that, well, I'm gonna recruit the shit out of Texas, you know, I'm gonna hire a good general manager that knows what he's doing. We're gonna spend wisely in the transfer portal, and I'm gonna recruit Texas in all these spots that I know. And that's that's what I'm saying, man. You got a team and up there 35 minutes away from Tallahassee in Thomasville that's been ranked the top five in the state of Georgia for the last four years. Hey, Justin Rogers, two million a year, four years. You tell him the roster's got to be 85% tri-state area, Florida, Georgia, Alabama. We'll put money into the transfer portal. Let's just see what you can do. And you start saving money. You start just just building that war chest up for 2030, and if he shits the bed, then you make a coaching change. But if not, then you got your guy. But right now, this shit isn't working. Right.
SPEAKER_01:You got a guy that doesn't recruit. If you're hoping like you got to come out and win this game if you're if you're trying to save your job. Right. You know, you come out and win this game, I think you can't, you save your job.
SPEAKER_02:Dude, if he won tonight, he wasn't getting fired. I don't give a shit if he lost out. Like if you go on the road and you beat Clemson in Death Valley for the second time, Jimbo only won once.
SPEAKER_01:Dude did, by the way.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And they lost to UConn today, by the way.
SPEAKER_02:Dude, they haven't won a game. You you heard the stat. They haven't won a game in the last six power five teams that came into the Death Valley had beat Clemson. And you come up here and get your No, man. It's over. It's over. That's what it's come down to. It's not a matter of if you're gonna have to fire Mike Norvell. It's when are you finally gonna do it?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the shit isn't rebounding. I mean, they might just not do it because they can't have the money, so we're just like, all right, let's do it again next year.
SPEAKER_02:Well, they got they did they could come up with the money. You know, you had the money to buy your way out of the ACC. That's why you sued them. So you just put that towards buying it all becomes what are you gonna hire after him? Nobody. Right. Well, there's nobody out there.
SPEAKER_01:All right, so just go get you got eight, nine, ten other people. Did anybody else try to get Joey McGuire? No.
SPEAKER_02:So that was just like He was an assistant coach at Baylor.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, so he was already in the college?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he was like a wide receivers coach, but that was his first season. First season. He'd been hired because he had great connections in the state of Texas. So I'm gonna hire this guy to be my recruiting ace. So what about a guy who spent his whole professional life coaching in the state of Georgia? Because that's not like that, you know, that's let's not get it twisted, man. Like you gotta get somebody that can get talent. Right. And we're not getting talent. We're in Tallahassee. So we recruit the state of Florida, but you gotta rescue, you gotta recruit the state of Georgia.
SPEAKER_01:He's not getting it.
SPEAKER_02:No. He's already, you know, they're already dipping into South Georgia heavily in their recruiting classes. You know, you're already not gonna go down into South Florida and and and go head to head with Mario. You know, you're not gonna get Jacksonville from Florida. So you gotta you gotta utilize where you're at. That area. To me, I mean, you're you're just dude. The longer you keep this guy here, the longer you're gonna just set yourself back. And it's like he's done. That's it. It's over. Sucks, but that's where we're at. Get him the fuck out of here. I'm tired of seeing this shit. I want a coach on the sidelines that's gonna get a flag on his ass when the refs start pulling some bullshit like they did tonight.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, they definitely. That was some oh what were they looking at?
SPEAKER_02:So we're gonna miss a blatant face mask and then call a personal foul in the next play that isn't even there's nothing there.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that's this is the story of the year. They're they haven't done shit on the road. And then not to mention, you you drop the ball, you fumble the ball again down in the red zone. Yep. Again, again on an exchange. Just you have you don't come, you miss a field goal, like wasn't even close, and then you just drop these passes where there's nobody around you. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody around you. This is a program, this is a team right now trying to piece everything together with a bunch of parts that aren't gonna fit. You got a defense that isn't gonna fit with the offense. Right. Well, yeah, man. There was an element of surprise. And Alabama's just kept rolling since then.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So there you go. Gus served his purpose. Yay.
SPEAKER_03:We had to go. Our ride was here.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, man, basketball's kicking up, though.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we gotta get on out of here. We gotta shuttle. It is. And the Knolls 2-0. 2-0, and they're about to play the Gators, the defending national champion. That's right. So they've got their first test of the year. It's a big test. Yeah. You know, I'm excited for the year. It's, you know, they're picked last in the ACC. Close to last year. That's not gonna happen. Hey, man. Letroley Jones. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's gonna be fun to watch regardless. Yeah. There are other sports here at Florida State. Well, football.
SPEAKER_01:Football is a dumpster fire right now. I think you're right. About just go where you are. And he's not here. Like he's not, he's a Texas guy. Right. In Arizona.
SPEAKER_02:Look at USF, man. They all they do is recruit the state of Florida. That's it. And they're now finding themselves in the catbird seat of maybe sneaking into playoffs. It's like, dude, you don't have to leave the Southeast.
SPEAKER_01:Well, just what Lox is doing right here when he gets into basketball.
SPEAKER_02:Right, man.
SPEAKER_01:I don't, when you're not getting players, it's hard to win. Yeah. Baldon didn't do it. Jimbo didn't do it. And nobody, and Mike's not gonna, and he's unless you get players, I don't know. It's hard to think. Well, when the hell we were doing giving him that contract.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Well, when you look at the talent acquisition and you you consider the fact that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01:When you went and looked, all right, we gave him this contract, but let's look into it. He went 13-0, but it was off of these transfers and these once-in-a-lifetime team when you added the likes of Fiskey and Keon Coleman. Right. And and just all these once-in-a-lifetime teams that you're not gonna be able to sustain. When yeah, all your but you're gonna pay this guy guaranteed money. Right. Just to keep all your best players without getting players.
SPEAKER_02:All your best players were kids that weren't blue chips. And he's the hard worker and uh and and that works at a G at a group of five at a place like Memphis. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And every few years, every three or four or five or lot goes into it, but wins aren't going into it for the gnolls. They lose another one. We'll come at you again on a football Monday for one and four ACC. We'll watch them, we'll react to them, and we'll talk to you next time, right here on the North Florida Sports Network.
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