Chinese Face Reading - with Tamara Nicolle

In this episode I chat with Tamara Nicolle a Nurse of 30 years. 
She is a trained 5 Element life coach an energy clearing practitioner. 
An expert in Chinese face reading combining ones birthdate for even more accuracy.  Tamara was trained and mentored by Hay House author Jean Haner. 
During this interview  we mainly cover the Chinese face reading method.
Tamara explains what certain parts of the face represent, what the lines or 'wrinkles' can mean. 
We touch on botox and the effects it can have that you have probably never thought of.
We also talk about face reading for children and how it could prove beneficial. 
Also on how being able to read faces can positively impact relationships as it can give better understanding of a persons personality and much more.
 
It was a fascinating chat and i learned so much from Tamara. 

To learn more about Tamara and what she offers visit her website.
Tamara Nicolle Five Element Life Coaching www.tamaranicolle.com
Instagram: @tamara5elements

Transcript

0:03

Hi, I'm Lili Camber and this podcast is called A Book of Kin. Thank you for joining me today. So today I wanted to, talk a little bit about my experience with the guests that I will be chatting with today. And we're going to be talking about the art of Chinese face reading. So I came across, this teaching probably a couple of years ago now, and really I didn't need to read or learn very much before I was quite hooked, on what I was learning. I just found it so fascinating and so informative. And I just wanted to know more and more about it. So, you know, I, I purchased books and listened to as many things as I could on the subject. Um, and what I found was that the more you learn, it's one of those things, the more complex it can get actually because, um, people's faces are very complex. And it was something I really liked about, about this whole method because I think when people hear about it, they can get sort of the wrong impression that it's very sort of standard, you know, like, Oh, his nose is like that and that means that and, and, um, The chin is that shape and that means that. And of course, as the experts explain in the books, um, it's very, there's just so much more to it than that. So you have to take the whole face into account despite the chin being a certain shape or a certain size. The more I learn, the more I just thought, gosh, I, there's just so much to learn and really need to speak to somebody who's trained in it and, and just knows so much more than, than I do anyway to learn. I just want to learn more. Um, I also was realizing how helpful. Knowing things that lead back to personality traits by way of looking at, um, traits in people's faces. It can lead to you understanding personality traits to a degree. And I also felt that that's probably very helpful for a lot of people because it can help in tricky relationships. where people have been having, you know, lots of problems. And, as you're here in the interview, we, we discuss certain things where, for my own personal experience, it would be me and my husband, how we're very different and How you could quite easily, take those differences personally, like there's something wrong with you. But once you understand that these are actually very inherent traits of a personality type, it helps you to really understand and let go. Of ideas, you know, or let go of, of things that make you feel like you're not doing very well. So I, um, I truly hope you enjoy today's interview.

Lili 3:24

Hi Tamara,

Tamara 3:25

Hi, Lili. How are you?

Lili 3:27

I'm fine thank you. How are you?

Tamara 3:30

I am great.

Lili 3:32

We've had a lot of fun and games, haven't we, with our recordings.

Tamara 3:36

have. Yes.

Lili 3:37

crossed it sort of, it holds out for the session. Um, I'm just going to give you a quick, I'm going to give you a quick intro. Tamara, so that, um, guests know who you are. So today, I've got Tamara Nicole and Tamara runs something called Five Element Life Coaching. Um, this is a blend of Eastern and Western science wisdom and Tamara's coaching explores the Chinese method of face reading combined with, um. The patterns are of one's birth date. Um, so this can give you a story of your life, like a map can give you direction. Tamara helps people to recognize personal patterns and blocks in their lives to regain balance. And the other amazing thing about Tamara is that she's a nurse. Well, you're not currently nursing at the moment, are you, but you were a nurse for 30 plus years. So Tamara has got this sort of unique, uniqueness in that she's bringing, um, Her Western expertise. In that field with the Eastern mindset, which I think is really lovely to bring them both together. It kind of brings a nice balance into it all, doesn't it? And, um, obviously you were involved

Tamara 4:54

Yes.

Lili 4:55

in the Western side of sort of hospitals and medicine and illnesses and all kinds of things. And then your Eastern side is, I think it's much more, spiritual and, That they sort of, the Western lacks a little bit. Anyway, it's nice when they're together. AnD, today we're going to be talking mostly focusing on the face reading with the, the birthday mapping, which is actually Something I didn't know too much about until I spoke to you because in my own very amateur self home study of the last couple of years, it's just been face reading. So I actually didn't know too much about that. You could get a bit more accuracy with, including somebody's birthdate along with, reading their face. So, um, Tamara, just share a little bit about, your coaching and, and what you do and how you help.

Tamara 5:51

Sure. Um, thank you for that lovely introduction. So yeah, so I started, uh, doing Chinese face reading and a birthday pattern reading about seven years ago. It's when I started my study and I, um, actually just heard a, uh, like a web webinar on it and I was fascinated. And so I, I dove right in and. Um, it really is a blend of bringing in, looking at, so it, Chinese, Chinese face reading is based in the spiritual side of Chinese medicine. It's thousands of years old. And, um, in the past practitioners, especially with women, you know, they, they weren't allowed to touch the body. And so what they learned over time, because they're observers is that they could tell about people's personalities and how they did life. By the markings on their face, by the structure of their face. And so, um, it's kind of jokingly like that in Chinese medicine, they were kind of the first, uh, life coaches, um, because you could course correct your life of, of, uh, you know, looking at, cause they were actually diagnosing at that time. I don't diagnose health, but there are health related things that can show up on your face. And so, um, we're looking at patterns of time. And then with my coaching sessions, I'm also, um, weaving in the patterns of your birthday. And this is based in a practice called Nine Star Key. Which started in China and is when it was refined in, uh, in Japan. And what we're looking at with that is archetypes. We're looking at the archetypes of the pattern of your birthday, which is really what makes you happy in life. Uh, how you do life, how you do your work, uh, where you go to when you're stressed. It also tells us how you would've perceived your childhood. Um, and it really. Uh, weaving that together with the patterns of the face really gives a nice, rounded, holistic look of where someone is, and then how they can, um, make small shifts in their lives to make the changes, uh, potentially that they want, uh, for whatever goals that they're, they're trying to achieve.

Lili 7:45

Yeah. So when you, when you look at somebody, do you, do you have a, a pattern where you, something, Stands out to you, in particular, or do you find that when you look at somebody, it's something in particular on their face that stands out and that's what you look at first? Or is it, do you have like a, a favorite part of the face where you seem to always notice, say, people's eyes or something? Or is it that, For example, I tend to be the way around where I'll notice something. In particular about their face that's, that stands out. So it's not, I, I'm never looking for one particular thing, but I'll say, say, I'll notice if somebody's got a much bigger top lip than a bottom lip, and that really stands out to me or, you know, I might notice on another person, they've got quite deep sad lines, you know, that, that really stands out. Do you, are you like that? Or do you sort of, your eye sort of goes to particular places?

Tamara 8:45

I would say that I'm more like you. So I'm always looking for what, what feature stands out the most to me. And I mean that in a very compassionate way, you know, um, some people have really big eyes, right? And so I'll notice that that person has big eyes or how they hold their eyes or someone, you know, you may see someone that has a very deep set eyes, which actually means that they're, they can be very private, right? And so. Um, so whatever feature is what's really standing out. That's kind of that usually is what I noticed first. Um, and if I'm speaking to someone, there's also clues in the way someone speaks the language that they use. Um, like I talk very fast, you know, some people, um, love to talk fast and some people it's difficult if I'm with them and they're I'm talking too fast, right? Because they process slower. And so this work has also helped me with that. So if I see a certain feature on someone's face. I can often think, Oh, Tamara, slow your speech down, right? It's not because it's just because sometimes certain features, right? Like I get excited and then I, that person's not with me, right? They're not following because I'm, I'm excited and going way too fast. Uh, and so, uh, that's, so that's how I look at that. So if I get the opportunity to speak to someone, then I'll use both.

Lili 10:02

Yeah. That's so funny you say that

Tamara 10:04

of what their features look like as well as their patterns. Yeah.

Lili 10:08

I think we were saying before about that and I was saying to you that, um, I think I'm a, I'm a little bit slower now. Um, I admit that may be on the account of having children cause they just wear your brain out. So, so you're always trying to find and figure out the words, you know, in, in some ways I feel like they really, um, I mean this in a very kind way, but I feel like I'm dumbed down because. You're always having to sort of get on a certain level of understanding. And sometimes I just think, gosh, I just, I just feel really sort of unintelligent at times, you know, and, um, I've definitely slowed my speech down to just, I suppose you just have to adapt with the children. Don't you just, you just do. But I remember before I had the children, you know, my mom would often say to me, Oh, Lili, You're just speaking, it's just too much. You're going too fast. It's just, I just can't like take in all that information and and the more passionate you are about what you're talking about, the faster you seem to speak, don't you? So if I'm talking about health related things, you know, I'm like, I'm off on one and, um, yeah, that's just, that's just so funny, isn't it? Cause you, cause you, you can take those things personally, can't you? That you just think, oh, you know, I'm not liked being being listened to or that person's finding me too intense. And like you said, face reading really helps you to find the compassion that you need in, say, a difficult situation that would be hard to deal with. To be compassionate towards somebody, and then it can also help you to be better understood because you're understanding like that you're going too quick for that particular person and, um, to adapt, you know, to be more, uh, more, adaptive,

Tamara 12:05

Right. So it, yeah, so it gives you compassion for yourself and it makes you very self aware. And then, yes, you're right. And in turn, then you can have compassion for someone else that, and it's not that, you know, it's, uh, it's not that that person's wrong, right? Um, but for example, if I'm, you know, I talk fast and I'm shouting orders at my kids or, and my kids are different than me and they forget something or they forget a step. And then I have to remember, cause my children are older. Okay. I talk so fast and they did not process that in the same manner that I would, um, at lightning speed. And so, and it also, you know, if they, when someone reacts differently to something, cause we're all different people, but when you know their pattern and you know how You can really have some compassion for how someone processes something. And it's really great for not only your children, but for your spouse or your partner. Because, you know, it's really easy, especially when you've been with someone for a long time, where you get in those patterns and those, you know, habits. And then, you know, especially in my life, I know that's really helped me because my husband and I are really different. And so I have to remember, you know, if he re he reacts to something a certain way, or he speaks to me in a certain manner that he's very direct, you know, and I often took that very, like it was so harsh. And it's He just is very, he just speaks in a very different way than I do. And so it helps me not take something so personally.

Lili 13:30

Mm.

Tamara 13:31

and you know, I can call him out on it. Like, wait a minute. Remember, like, can you, you know, can you like, you know, have a little more empathy around that? Yeah.

Lili 13:40

Yes. Yeah. Same as same true here, you know, where we're very different from one another. So, um,

Tamara 13:49

Uh huh.

Lili 13:50

You know, I think we were saying before, weren't we, if I remember, we were saying that I like to have quite a lot of company with him and, um, he's, his markings and his birthday, his lines and everything mean that he actually quite likes, um, his sort of alone man time in his man cave, you know.

Tamara 14:13

Yes.

Lili 14:14

And I think when you're, when you're young and you're first in a relationship with somebody like that um, you can definitely take that personal, personally, you know, why doesn't he want to spend every waking minute and every hour with me?

Tamara 14:30

Right, right. Yeah. And you had shared the, um, your birthday patterns, uh, with me, um, for you and your husband. And yes, your husband's someone that, you know, alone time is, is like a craving, like it's a, it's vitamins, uh, for him. And so, you know, But, but you're someone that really wants to be connected. Now, it's not that you don't value some alone time because you have some of that in your face, but he would probably need more time and distance, more solitude. Um, and be very comfortable with that, right? And if you don't understand that about each other, because that's hard to communicate too, right? but knowing that about him, knowing that that is vitamins for him, then allows you to say like, Oh, he just needs some space. He needs some distance. He needs some alone time. And then you're not like your heart's not broken, you know, or hurting that this person is creating space between us. Yeah.

Lili 15:21

Yeah. And then I suppose it's just finding that middle ground, isn't it? That's what's, what's fair for each of you. What's, you know, what, where is that middle ground? Because his amount might just be too much for somebody that, um, you

Tamara 15:36

Right.

Lili 15:37

needs much more. So it's, you know, it's with me, it's maybe too much with him. It's too less. And then you've got to sort of meet in the middle. And, um, I think we were saying that he, I'm fire, I think, and second element earth, and I think he was water. So, um, again, we're different, we're, we're very different. And, um, when we were last on the court, it's really interesting actually, because my. Second son is, I'm pretty certain he's fire and he's, he's quite similar to me in, in ways. So we share the same, almost the same birthday Um, he was due on my birthday and came two days later, but so we've got the same star sign in, you know, in, in terms of horoscopes. Um, but he sort of needs to be told he's loved all the time. You know, he'll just, he'll just sort of come out and he'll say mommy. Do you love me? I say, of course I love you. You know, um, and he was the one from really little that was always on my lap and really cuddly and needs cuddles and where he'd just sit next to me and he'd say, mommy, can you just stroke my back? You know, whereas my other son, he just doesn't need that all the time. He just, he's very, you know, he's just very sure in himself. It's just really interesting. it's that old thing where the more you learn, the more you realize you don't actually know. And the more I learn about the Chinese face reading, the more I just think, wow, I was a bit clueless with, with that. It's just fascinating.

Tamara 17:22

Yeah. It's, and it's, I never stopped learning. Um, there are, you know, because everybody is so different and everyone ages differently and presents with different things on their face. But you, you mentioned fire. So this work is based in the arc and the elements of Chinese medicine. And so there's five and that's water, wood, fire, earth, and metal. And those are the archetypes in which Uh, I'm working. And so each feature on the face, uh, and to include the ears are related to one of those elements. And so, you know, when you're looking at someone that's young, you know, very young, excuse me, and you're looking at the features, you can really get a nice kind of a little bit of a personality profile. And then as we. Age, our face changes, and then we start to, you know, perform lines and all of those things mean something. Um, the changes in our face mean something and it gives us not only of a map of kind of where we've been, but also again, some, some of those lines are meant to be there. There's signs of wisdom and learning, and some can be little warning signs and not in a, in a really bad way, but. Uh, it could be an example of maybe you're giving too much in life, you know, as, as a, uh, you don't have. Sometimes motherhood will do that for us, but you don't have to be a mother to be overgiving in your life where you're giving too much and not getting in and not receiving. And so those types of lines will show up on the face and then you can help someone kind of course correct or shift their energy. Shift their energy, excuse me, so that. That it allows those lines to soften. It allows them to make that change in their life so that they're, you know, they're, uh, you know, spiritually and, um, receiving the energy that they need. I think this will be a lifelong learning journey for me because everyone is so different and presents. You know, so differently. Um, but just that, you know, it's just so interesting to see how, um, you know, you have, you, your two boys are so different, right? They have different needs. They have the way they express themselves in the world is so different. You recognize that their love language is different. That one needs some distance, but the other one really needs a lot of reassurance. He needs that from his mom. and so that's fabulous that you're allowed, you know, that you can see that And you're

Lili 19:28

And they were raised the same,

Tamara 19:30

Yeah. Yeah,

Lili 19:32

They were raised in the same way. I did attachment parenting, so they were both carried in the sling. They shared bed with me until they were a number of years old, maybe a bit too old for some people to, um, accept. Um, you know, to where they sort of said to me, you know, we want our own bed and everything. Um, everything's sort of been the same. So they, there's always been that deep connection with them, you know, one hasn't been sort of left out or anything. And, and, you know, interestingly, my second one, the one who's. It's sort of like, it needs to be told he's loved all the time, because I said it to him. as a joke the other day, I said, I said, Oh, honey pie, I said, Do you need me to tell you a few times a day I love you? And he said, Yes. please. You know, because he just likes, he just likes He just likes hearing it. And, um, he just, you know, he even says it to, uh, his little sister who's, she's two and a half now. He'll say, do you love me? Do you love me? And she says, she's, she's still sort of, um, likes to pretend she speaks Russian. So she's still instead of saying, Yes. she still says, duh. So she, she says, duh, duh. And she, he says, say, I love you. So she says, I love you. And he, I can tell he just, he just, He just loves it, you know, but then on the other side of it, it's really interesting when he, when I used to carry him in a sling with my firstborn, I had to sort of bribe him into the pushchair because I'd become pregnant again and I was

Tamara 21:04

oh, okay.

Lili 21:05

and I was finding it really hard to carry him. And he was 16, 17 months at that point. I mean, at that point, most people aren't carrying their children in slings anymore anyway, but. Um, he was bribed into the, into the buggy with, um, you know, food. And, um,

Tamara 21:24

yeah,

Lili 21:24

my, my second one, who I thought was going to be the one, you know, loved the cuddles, he'd be the one that I'd be, I'd be thinking, oh, I'm never going to get him out the sling. He couldn't wait to get out the sling. He didn't want to be carried around all the time. He just, you know, he was the opposite. So it's, so when I look at it, I think, um, I know they both got the same, um, as same as you can get, because obviously it's always going to be different with

Tamara 21:49

mm hmm.

Lili 21:51

you know, different siblings and everything, but I know he got, he got an equal amount. Everything from me. And um, so I just, I know, and they're chalk and cheese. I can tell they're completely different. They're completely different, the two of them. So different. And that, so that sort of leads me back to when you were saying it's easy to read children when they're, uh, so you didn't say children, but when you are young it's quite, it's interesting to read and quite easy to read. And so I was just gonna ask you actually in, um, I believe Lillian Bridge's work. who's very well known I sort of remember her saying that they tend to not read faces before the age of 25. But I think in Jean's work, there is a reading of younger. And so I was really interested, um, to, what have you found? Have you found? Do you sort of sit in the middle? Or have you found it is really beneficial to read them when they're young? Have you found that?

Tamara 22:54

Yeah, so I studied under Jean Hainer and she, um, we, she actually has a book on how to read your child's face. Um, and I have read Lillian's book. Um, so I'm familiar with her work. Um, I think it's really beneficial. You can, um, you know, babies are pretty, you know, little squishies. I love babies. Um, but you can look at certain features. Like, how big are their eyes? How big are their ears? Where their ears are set? How big is their mouth? How they hold their mouth? You know, um, and, and little children, but maybe their faces are going to change over time. But when you can read those just main things, um, along with the pattern in your birth date, You can really help a parent understand who that child is and have some clues to just some things to look for, um, knowing that, you know, over time, their face is going to change. Now, um, I understand why Lillian is saying that, especially if you're going to work with someone, um, you know, you, you want them, their face to be more completely, the structure of their face to be completely. you know, kind of set at 25. But, but, uh, I kind of, I would say I'm more in the middle, where if someone wanted me to look at their child and look at their pattern's birthday, I'm happy to do that. I think you can get a lot of valuable information. just out of curiosity. What is his birthday? You said he was really fiery.

Lili 24:09

Yeah, the middle one, the one in July.

Tamara 24:14

Okay. So yeah, so he, I, I'm not looking at his face, but he, uh, he's actually a combination of, um, earth, metal and wood. And it's probably most likely his earth. Yeah. And so, but he might have fire in his face. Does he have red hair or anything like that?

Lili 24:33

No, but he has, um, what do I see in his face? That's fiery. He's got big lips. He's got, he's got really big

Tamara 24:44

that would be earth.

Lili 24:46

and he's

Tamara 24:47

That's earth. And so he needs mom. Yeah.

Lili 24:50

yeah, Yeah, he's got really

Tamara 24:52

Big eyes. Does he have big eyes?

Lili 24:54

yeah, he has big eyes, big eyes. Yeah.

Tamara 24:58

Yeah. Yeah. So it's more, it could be coming from that, uh, his earth. Um, he has a strong connection to mom and wanting mom, you know, that attention from mom, that love from mom, He can often, even though he would not be able to express this, feel like maybe he's not enough. Like, am I enough for you, mom? Do you love me, mom? Right? So he's just wanting that reassurance that he's enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lili 25:27

That makes sense.

Tamara 25:28

So he's coming from a little bit different place. Yeah. Yeah. What a cutie. I love that though. I

Lili 25:34

My older son will joke about that because say him and I were like laughing and joking about something and then the middle one he will like come Running in, just being loud, and then my older son will say, Oh, you're not getting enough attention, did you need to come in and make sure that, you know, mummy gave you loads of attention, because mummy and I were laughing about

Tamara 25:58

Uh huh. Yeah.

Lili 25:59

But he admits it, he'll say, yes, yes, I like, I needed to come in and um, but you know, he doesn't, he doesn't mind to admit that's the way he is, you know.

Tamara 26:10

right. Yeah. I love that. That's great. Yeah. So he just desires, you know, if he's got a nice big mouth and lips and, and that, you know, that fullness of earth, and he's going to desire connection with his family, connection with mom, knowing he's always okay. Knowing that he's enough in the family. Yeah. Yeah. So you telling him that will just fill his cup. Uh huh.

Lili 26:33

That's what he's, that's what it

Tamara 26:34

And make him feel secure.

Lili 26:36

to fill his cup. Yeah.

Tamara 26:39

Yes. Yeah. And they can be, uh, that type of earth can be a little more demanding. And meeting, and getting their needs met. And there's nothing wrong with that, right? I mean, they're telling, he's being honest. He's, you know, he's telling you in his own way what he needs. Yeah.

Lili 26:59

Yeah.

Tamara 27:00

Yeah, so I think we finished on, uh, we were talking about, I, I, I do read the faces in children, um, and in the way it can help parents understand their child and meet, but I always weave that in with the pattern of their birthday because that gives that more holistic overview, um, for the child. Yeah.

Lili 27:21

I can actually see how that would be really helpful for parents, you know, that may have a child that seemingly very difficult or, or throws tantrums all the time, or, you know, they're just like, why are they so difficult? And you can, you can analyze thing, can't you? You can look and analyze. Well, actually it's because, you know.

Tamara 27:48

Right. And so, yeah, you can look at, certainly look at, um, you know, if, if you're working with a parent and the child is very young, you can help the parent, you know, anticipate things that might come up and how to support that child as they're growing. And you can also use it if, if you are having some issues with the child, maybe they're having trouble going to sleep, or maybe, you know, they're having some fears that you can't figure out. Well, everyone's wired differently. And when you're looking at a child's face, Patterns of your birthday. You know, some of us, um, in the pattern of our birthday may be, uh, archetypally kind of more wired where fear is something that frequently comes up in our life, where we might have a fear that someone else wouldn't have. And so it can help that parent really, again, learn. Open their, um, aperture a little bit around, uh, understanding who that child is and maybe what those needs are. And then just have, it kind of, you know, helps you put more tools in your toolbox of how to interact with your child to, to, you know, uh, meet the need that they need at that time. If that makes sense.

Lili 28:51

yeah, absolutely. It's so useful, isn't it? Like we were saying earlier about partners, husbands, wives, you know, that understanding each other, it's, it's invisible communication in a sense, isn't it? It's makes things clearer.

Tamara 29:05

Right. Well, and you can honor someone's, um, you, for me, at least in the way that it's worked for me. And for when I, cause I've worked with some couples before where, you know, it gives them a healthy respect for each other that maybe that they didn't realize, right. Because we all get stuck in our own patterns and the way we do things. And, you know, we all think we're right, right. Like this is the right way. And So I just find that this work is so beautiful in that it really kind of opens your perspective on, um, how someone works or whether it, maybe it's, you know, it's really helped me with my parents. Uh, my mother has passed, but, um, you know, my, my mother was ill for a long time and my dad took care of her and, you know, I didn't always understand the, why they did the things the way they did or, you know, the choices that he made, um, with my nursing background, but because I knew their patterns and what, they would need in order to feel comfortable. Like it wasn't going to be good for me to come in and try to make any changes or push, or, you know, it gave me an opportunity to really step back and just be an observer and say, no, this is how, you know, this is what works for them. I need to honor that. Right. So it really, Cause I, boy, I like to get involved. I mean, that's just my personality. And so it really allowed me to step back a little bit and allow things to happen and have respect for, for their choices, um, along the way. Cause it was a long journey.

Lili 30:27

Yeah, it's really interesting. so I was going to say, um, when people have changes to their face, um, because I think, I don't know if I'm right about this, but you can have changes to your face that are very gradual and you know, they just sort of show over time and then, um, What I've noticed in myself is that I can have a change in my face that is sort of just is quite quick in my mind anyways, quite quick. It just sort of appears there. And I just think, Oh my God, that wasn't there. That wasn't there a couple of months ago. And then I'll even have pictures where I'll be able to look back a couple of months ago and think, Oh, that's interesting. so the question is I could be thinking what's been going on in that couple of months, um, that's now created this change in my face, but should I be thinking more long term? So even though, say it's, it wasn't there two months ago, does that mean? It's, it's happened within that two months or does it mean, or it could have been building up to happen, you know, over the last year,

Tamara 31:42

Um, can you give me a specific example of, of a line that you noticed that wasn't there before? Um, cause it, cause everything means something different. So that's a little

Lili 31:50

yeah. Okay. So, um, so for example, I can notice a four, a four headline. I generally, I don't have a lot of those lines on my forehead. Um, but I will notice one that sort of shows up and I think, Oh, okay. I've got a line that's shown up there. And then I'll sort of look back to see, you know, when, when was that not there? So just, just for the sake of this conversation, I could, I could notice it, where are we? March. And then I could look back in January and see that wasn't there in January. So should I be looking at what's happened from January to now in thinking things have changed in life in those two months where they've created this line? Or is it more of something that it could have been progressing, even though I didn't see it on my forehead, it could have been progressing for like six months.

Tamara 32:52

Yeah, so most likely it's if it's a horizontal line. Okay, so I'm just gonna squinch up my, you know, I have several, you know, deeper lines based on my age and every, um, area of our face represents a decade of our life. And so this is the decade of your forehead is a decade of your twenties. Okay, and it, um, we are supposed to get lines across our forehead in that manner based on our expression and they represent the wisdom that we learned in our twenties. And so if it, if you just started noticing it, um, I wouldn't get too concerned about that for one, I, because horizontal lines are supposed to be there. Now, again, this is kind of a, um, it's without seeing it up close, like, cause I can't see through over the camera where it is. Um, you know, as a face reader, if you came to me and I saw something that was just only one line, it was super deep, you know, I would start asking questions about that line, particularly because I would be. in the, in the session, um, potentially of maybe what was going on in your life at that period of time in your twenties, because it ages, um, there's an age map of your face.

Lili 33:59

Mm.

Tamara 34:00

But it's, and I would, I would, I would, because there may be something that's that, that happened in your life that was significant, um, that you can reflect on. Um, I would be more concerned if you came to me and said, um, I just started developing vertical lines, um, above my lip. So lines, I actually have those, um, I'm, I'm, I'm older than you. Um, but I also just based on my nature and how I've lived my life, I've got some vertical lines. Um, those lines really aren't supposed to be there. Um, and, um, I've had to make a lot of shifts in my life. So if you came to me and I noticed those and you said, gosh, that just showed up. So, uh, because your mouth is, uh, is around earth element. It's about how we nourish ourselves and others. Yeah. I would start to be asking you questions about how you're living your life right now. Are you taking time for yourself? Are you nourishing your own self, whether that's physically, emotionally, spiritually, and that would be the kind of conversation that we would have. And then we would start talking about, okay, how can I. Course correct, if you will, not that you're doing something wrong. I don't mean it like that, but how can I shift my energy? That's a nicer way of saying that shift the way I'm doing things so that that can soften so that I can potentially, that will go away or fall away a little bit. And, um, and that requires you to mother yourself, to take care of yourself because it's basically a sign that you're overgiving and you're not receiving, you're not taking care of yourself.

Lili 35:31

They're over nourishing lines, aren't they? Like over mothering. They're sort of over nourishing. So, like, if you're a, if you're a mum and you're giving everything out to everybody else like most mums do, and we always leave ourselves till last, don't we? We always care for ourselves last, and that's, um, that's what those lines are, isn't it?

Tamara 35:53

Yes. But, and you don't have to be a mother to over nurture, right? You don't have to be a mom to, you could be, you could be taking care of a pa. You, you may not have children, and you are giving too much to your, your job and your employees, or you know, you, um, uh, or to your spouse, your partner, you know, you're giving up, you're sacrificing too much and overgiving so that person can succeed or that pers for those person's needs. Maybe you're, you, you have to take care of your parent. And you're exhausted. And so that kind of a line can show up because, uh, again, it can be something that you can soften over when you start taking care of your own needs again. So I always say mom, cause I am a mom, but not everyone's a mom, but it can still happen based on how you're living your life. Um, and learning how to receive. Some people have difficulty receiving from others. They're really comfortable giving and giving and giving, but boy, they, you, you know, they don't receive well, and that's sometimes you have to learn how to receive and be okay with that and be, and not feel badly. Yeah.

Lili 36:58

yeah. Well, where my husband is from, the women, um, It's sort of, it is that way where, um, you know, the women, it's expected that they leave themselves to last. That's how it should be, you know, and, um, I remember one time us going on a visit deep into the mountains to visit his grandmother. And um, And we were just chatting about when you get there you take gifts, you know, we're talking about what, what we're taking and, um, and then we were talking about do, and then I was asking him, I said, do we do, is it normal that you would give money? So he said, well, yeah, you give money to like the, The oldest woman in this case, it would be his grandma. I said, so what, but then what happens with it? Because I know she's not going to go and spend it on herself, you know? So he said, well, she, what she would do is that she would take it, but it would be expected that she would then give this money to, um, so in this case, his grandma lived as, as is the case in many European countries, the mom stays living with the Older children and the grandchildren, you know, they stay around.

Tamara 38:17

Right,

Lili 38:17

So grandma lived with eldest son, his wife and his children. So it's expected that even though this money is given to her, she's supposed to then give it to her son for the household.

Tamara 38:31

Wow, okay.

Lili 38:32

and I just found it all so interesting, you know, how, how just the way it runs like that. And I said, can, can she not keep it for herself? And, and, uh, he said, well, not really, no, he, you know, it would just be expected that she would, and she wouldn't feel because it's, because it's so embedded in them. You know, from generation to generation, she wouldn't feel comfortable with, with keeping it. Like you just said, some people don't feel comfortable with receiving. So she wouldn't feel comfortable with that. So she, she needs to give it, you know, like, what do I, what am I going to do with it? I'm old anyway. So, you know, give it to the family and, um, but it's just, you know,

Tamara 39:15

Well, right. And so for her, you know, for someone that for a culture like that or a custom that that's, you know, that's something that it's expected if they're not feeling emotionally drained from that, if they're not feeling that sacrifice, it most likely is not going to show up on their face because everything is that when we make wrinkles, right, is our expression. It's what's going on in our spirit. And so often, um, a lot of times, even though we may not be consciously aware of it, sometimes if we are there, if you're overgiving in your life, there could be some resentment around that. There could be some, um, feelings of, Oh my gosh, like I'm coming last. Right. And so then you're holding your mouth in a different way. Um, and so for someone like her, that might not show up that way because that, that doesn't feel like a sacrifice to her. That feels like this is what I do. Right. And so, um, and that's why not every, everyone, everyone's lines, if you will, or their experience, their map, it shows up differently because of the way we perceive. What's happening to us. Mm hmm.

Lili 40:22

And that's what makes this so, this is what makes this what I love it so much That's why you need to actually read and look at the whole face, because like you said, that may not give her resentment or feel like she's not doing anything for herself, right? In that case, that might be a problem.

Tamara 40:40

Right.

Lili 40:41

else, but how she feels resentment might show up in a bit, in a, in a slightly different way, depending on, and it might have to do with something completely different. So, um, you know, when it makes me laugh when people say, Oh, but face reading is just so generalized, you know, you just, it's like putting everybody into one box. And I just think, well, it really isn't. If you really understand how it works, it really isn't putting everybody into one box at all. And it's not generalized. In fact, it's the complete opposite. In fact, it can get actually so complex. Complex, can't it? But that you just think to yourself, I kind of wish it was simple. So in

Tamara 41:24

And really like I could pick a, I could like pull up a stock photo or a famous person's picture. And I could look at what I see, right. I could look at the different features. I could see, um, you know, what elements they lead with. I could give a general personality profile of someone I don't know, and I can look at the lines on their face. But all of those things that I'm seeing are potentials of how that person's living their life without a conversation with them, right? So I, you know, I definitely know, uh, through my experience and my training, you know, if, um, for example, um, like I was saying, like if I see someone with a certain shape eye or how they're, if they're farther in their, uh, they set back farther and they're more private, you know, I might be able to recognize that, right. And approach them in a different manner, but How certain things show up on someone's face, um, can be for various reasons. It could be the timing in their life. It could be an emotional reason. There can also be a health component. And I take all of those into account when I do a session with someone, but it's that conversation where it's kind of like, um, the, the. The golden key is given, right? Of like what's really happening in this person's life. Where, where are they yearning to, um, shift in order to, you know, whether they're trying to meet a goal or if they're trying to just understand themselves better. Um, there's, um, it's, it is sometimes it's hard to get through one, like get through the whole thing in one session, um, because there's so much information written in someone's face and in their birthday, um, that you can work with.

Lili 43:01

So this is another thing that sometimes confuses me. Say for example, you see some people, that are, like heavy workers, they work, you know, nonStop. they're just on the go, you know, to me it's sort of, it's like an earth depletion, eventually it's going to happen with that. Um, yet you'll see that they have incredibly strong jaw lines. So there'll be no showing of Jowls, which I think is, um, correct me if I'm mistaken, but Jowls is a sign of earth depletion, is it not?

Tamara 43:45

It can be. Yes. Mm-Hmm. Mm-Hmm. When the sagging. So you, is that what you're talking about? 'cause I, 'cause we might describe that differently. Mm-Hmm.

Lili 43:53

because, because the other thing that also I've noticed that gets muddled up and I've seen this in the whole world of, um, with the gua sha and, um, you know, the, the facial massage and you'll, you will always get a different explanation as to why somebody's got different problem areas, you know, Oh, it's because of the neck, Oh, it's because of this. So it's because you, they clench their jaw or it's because. You know, whatever, but there's always multiple explanations. And my mind always goes back to this in, in, cause it really feels like this is the true root cause of it. And I remember from learning, listening and learning different things from Lillian Bridges and her saying that, um, you only need to change the root of, of why that's there and you can already start to see changes in the face. And that's without doing any. thing, cosmetic. And I don't mean surgery. I just mean anything at all cosmetic, whether that's a facial massage or whatever, but she's like, you just need to change the thought or the behavior that put that there in the first place. And you'll see that start to get better. And it always interests me because I think to myself, it's amazing how one person can have that earth depletion and it can really show in sort of like the sagging and another person doesn't seem to have that. Show up in their face, you know, and I just wondered, what's your, have you ever thought about that? What's your take on that? What do you think is going on there?

Tamara 45:27

Well, and that goes back to what we were talking about where it's not like a cookie cutter. You know, you're, you know what I mean? Like your, your face has, um, a certain cheekbone. And so this is how you're going to always act, or this is how it's going to look when you're, you know, if you, you know, Right? So everyone is so different and we handle things so differently. And when you, especially when you're looking at the pattern of someone's birthday, you know, some people are just built to love to work. I mean, they love to work. And so if they're working and working and working, it may not cause the same effect on their face.

Lili 46:00

Right.

Tamara 46:00

Um, because we're so different and I wouldn't know why someone's cheeks were doing that like if they had jowls until I spoke to them or I knew something about their life, right? Until they had that conversation because there could be multiple reasons why the face is presenting in that manner, but it is possible. Like I said, very true. Um, and I'll go back to, for example, these lines, these vertical lines that show up on a lot of women, for example, um, when you start to take care of yourself and you start to really nourish yourself, giving back to yourself as you give to others, That's, that can help soften those lines. And remember, we're always making micro expressions. And so one thing you can do, which is kind of, um, fun. It's, it's a little silly. You might seem a little silly is I'll just use a lip for an example. You can stay relaxed. I could put a piece of tape there so I can put a piece of tape on the wrinkle that I'm, or a line that I'm really concerned with and leave it there. And then notice what, you know, when I feel that tape move, what am I thinking about? What am I thinking about when I make an expression that causes that line? And that can really help reframe, okay, you know, is it I'm upset that I'm doing laundry five times a day? Or you know what I mean? Like I was using that as kind of a light example. Um, but it's like, why am I making that? Why, for example, you have to purse your lips. You have to carry tension in your mouth. So what am I doing when I'm making that expression? Um, And I do, I'm kind of a jaw clincher. And so I often, when I drive, well, every time I get to a light, I try to like soften my jaw because I know that's where I carry my tension in my body. Um, and so it can be very revealing. Yeah. It can be very revealing and then very helpful to be consciously aware of, okay, where am I holding my tension? What am I thinking about? What's causing me to, you know, cause I have an active mind. So I'm like, what am I thinking about? Why am I, you know, and then letting my body relax, letting those muscles relax. And remember, some lines are supposed to be there. Yeah.

Lili 48:10

yeah. And I, you know what you were saying? It was, I actually remember reading that in, in Lillian's book where she, was it her mother? I think it was actually her mother. She said, my mother, whenever my mother got a line, she would put some tape on

Tamara 48:24

Oh.

Lili 48:25

To discover what it is that she's thinking, um, if she got a line that she didn't like, that's what she said, if she got a line that she didn't like, she'd put some tape on it and then it would make her recognize whenever she was making this expression and then she would think about what she was thinking about and it's like change, change your thoughts, you know, because um, it's usually like you said, am I thinking that this is the fifth time I'm doing laundry today?

Tamara 48:52

Right. Today. Yes. And I just finished it, right? So yeah,

Lili 48:58

case if you've got boys most of the time.

Tamara 49:02

yes. Yeah. And pets. Yeah. So it's, so, and it's, you know, and then you can let a laugh about it and find some joy in that. Right. Um, you know, when people get really upset about their, um, you know, in the Western world, we call these crow's feet, but these are, um, you can only make these lines by smiling. Genuinely. Smiling authentically. Those are supposed to be there. You know, in Chinese medicine, we call them joy lines. Um, and it's a sign of, of your joyful expression. And so I'm very proud of my, in fact, I think I, they should be a little bigger. I need to, you know, sometimes I think, man, I really should, I need to smile more. You know, I need to find that joy in my life, um, instead of focusing on whatever. Right. And so, um, those are really important. Right? And so, um, when I do see certain lines on people's faces, it's, to me, it's a sign of wisdom. It's a sign that they're living their life and they're staying true to their path or staying true to their authentic self. And that's so important. Um, in the work that I do, that I want people to understand who they are, you know, why everyone, we always want to know, like, why are we here? What am I doing? Right. And, and so when you can really stay true to your authentic self and your authentic path, life just goes smooth, more smooth, more smoothly, excuse me. And that helps prevent those lines that are, that maybe aren't supposed to be there in certain timing.

Lili 50:26

So Tamara, just, um, touch on, we've got different lines around the eyes, haven't we? So we've got the joy lines, but also around the eyes we get a, a different type of line, don't we? In a bit of a different place, which are the

Tamara 50:41

Uh, in which like, I'm talking about. of the grief line.

Lili 50:44

Yeah. The grief

Tamara 50:45

about a grief line?

Lili 50:46

Yeah.

Tamara 50:47

Yeah. So some people, um, you know, based on, again, you can sometimes see this in the pattern of your birthday, excuse me, but sometimes you'll see, uh, like what we would know as a joy line, but it comes, it's deeper and it comes down farther onto the cheek. Um, and that is considered, uh, in Chinese medicine, we, at face reading, we call that a, a line of sorrow line or a grief line. And that just shows me that somebody has experienced a really significant, you know, time of grief in their life, and it doesn't mean that somebody else doesn't grieve either. It's just mean that this is how it's showing up on this person's face, um, and it's crossing over into Yeah, it's because our cheekbones, the series of represents our lungs. And in Chinese medicine, that organ is the organ of grief. And that shows me that it's going on to their area. And so again, it's something I would address with someone, because that might be something really significant that's happened in their life again. But certain people debate based on how what elements they lead with often will have those lines show up sooner than someone else because of the way they process their grief.

Lili 51:51

Yeah. And it may be, um, different types of grief, right? So it could be grief from a career that they always thought they were going to do. And then, you know, maybe they're an athlete and they thought that was what they spend their life doing and then they got injured and then they, you know, couldn't do that anymore. And maybe they got that line, but then it might not be so bad on them because they found a new passion and looked at it

Tamara 52:16

Right, it could soften. Right.

Lili 52:19

So that's, that sort of leads to the next part of, of it, that it's not written in stone, is it? Our lines and, um, things that appear on our face, because it, we can make a difference.

Tamara 52:35

Right, right. Um, And so, and like I was saying, if when you'd shift your energy and you shift your focus and you, um, you know, recognize why it's there, um, and what's happening. And when you make those little shifts, then those things can soften or if you've, you know, maybe you've got an area that you're, uh, You're sunken in, but you can have that can fill back out again. Coloring can change. Um, you know, the color of the face can change. Um, I mean, a really simple example of, of this is when you don't get enough sleep and you get dark circles under your eyes. You know, some people always have dark circles and that is, that is a sign of, uh, of, uh, of a person, um, a person's person. Part of the, what I do is that some people have natural shadowing, um, and that means something. But if you're, if you don't have natural shadowing and I, you know, let's say you come to me. I'm going to ask you, if I see the shadow, I'm going to say, is that normal for you? Or is, is that something new? Cause it could just be fatigue. It could be that you're taking care of a parent, a sick parent, and you're exhausted, um, or you have really bad allergies and it's allergy season. And so I never take anything for granted in a session. When I see something, I always ask, is this normal or is this temporary? Has this just shown up? Um, because there can be multiple reasons why it's there.

Lili 53:55

Yeah. So how easy is it to, um, I suppose it's all down to the individual, isn't it? So in the case of, um, I was to say, give an example by myself, I noticed a significant difference in my jawline from. The stress that was experienced, um, when my daughter was born because she was born with, um, difficulties that, um, you know, in the beginning were a bit touch and go. Um, and they were sort of ongoing. So she's, she's, you know, she's not completely out the woods yet and she still needs, um, specialist help at times. So, um, it's, for me, I, uh, My, my jawline went from a jawline to looking, I just looked very, very, you know, like literally when they say the world is on your shoulders, I felt like the world had gone onto my cheeks and my face and had drawn everything down. And I, I definitely have seen such a difference in my face in two years, just from the stress and I'm often thinking to myself, what, what Cause also it's, it's, it's hard enough as it is to, um, nourish yourself when you've got a toddler and, you know, make time for yourself, look after yourself. Um, Or even if you've just got one child, it's hard enough to do that. But I've got three and one is very little. And then on top of that, she's got her issues. So I'm often thinking to myself, you know, what's, what is it I need to do to, um, To create changes in my body that will then create changes in my face that show me I'm doing better for myself, you know, it gives me a, uh, it gives me some clue. I think, okay, my face is looking a little bit more, more perk. So I must be doing something right in, inside my body must be a bit sort of less stressed. And, um, You know, so how, again, I know it's really individual, it's going to be individual for person to person, but, um, how, how do we do that?

Tamara 56:20

it has to be individual to you. Um, and so I'm looking at your photo, forgive me, but I don't have a photo from you before you were a mom, which would, if I, if you came to me, I would probably ask you for that. Give, show me if you're worried about a certain area that's changed, send me a photo of prior, like what it looked like before that change happened. Um, and so if like, If you're going to be, if you need to replenish yourself in the sense that, you know, you're, you have three young children there, you're, you're, you have to sacrifice as a mom, right? You have to sacrifice your time, your energy, um, your individuality. Um, and, um, it's one of the ways you can do that. And this is, this can be very difficult for, for some moms, um, is, is creating some boundaries. So that you are getting adequate sleep so that you have time to eat it, but it has to be something that you really Crave, right? So something that might nourish me might not make you feel any better Might not make might not fill your cup, right? And so, um, I if I were working with you Yeah, one on one I would want to explore those things that really Like light you up as an individual, separate from your children. Because I would want you to start remothering yourself and re supporting yourself like a mother would. Support you. Um, and sometimes yeah, and I know, um, because I know your patterns in your birthday, you know, it can be, you know, you just wanna love your children and love your children and love your children and receive that love. And, um, and so it's not that you. Wouldn't do that anymore, but you have to love yourself. You have to take that same love and give back to yourself. And so it's like, how would that look for Lili? Like, what, what do I need? And whether that's like starting this podcast and making it feel like you're doing something as for just you, right? Like that just is about you and connecting with other moms. And, um, do I need to hire, you know, can my husband take my kids away? So I just have an hour of downtime where whatever that luxury would be to you, if they weren't there. Whether that's, you know, taking a hot bath or You know, eating, eating without them. So you have an uninterrupted meal where you actually sit and you can get through your meal without having to get up and, you know, do something for your kids. Um, because some of those things that we, that, I mean, we, because we're moms, but it's like, it's autopilot. We don't think anything of it. We don't realize the disruption. Right. Um, and so that's how I would work with you in a session of, of, you know, working on, you know, Trying to get, you know, to see if where you were unhappy or what you were showing to kind of course correct that so that you're not continuing to feel. Cause what, like you were saying, I feel like the weight's on my shoulders. Like I feel like. You know, everything's been drugged down. So what, what I, the language you're giving me is like, I've like, I've lost my levity. I feel heavy.

Lili 59:14

Yeah.

Tamara 59:15

so I would be wanting to give you having you like problem solving or getting creative about ways to make you feel lighter, to feel bright, to, you know, give you that spark that you're desiring.

Lili 59:29

Well, I think we definitely need to schedule a private session, Tamara.

Tamara 59:35

Okay.

Lili 59:37

Sometimes you're too close to it, aren't you? When something's at the end of your nose, you can't see it and, or you can't see the wood for the trees, you know, um, I feel like that's probably really a bit of what's happening is everything's a bit too close. I can't quite see. Okay. How can I improve this? You know, what can I, what can be done to improve this a bit more? Because especially when. You know, my mind is always on, uh, everyone else's needs and especially little one, you know?

Tamara 1:00:04

Right. Yes, yes. And you know, it's, it's hard to let someone else take some of, I mean, it's like I said, sometimes it's difficult to let someone else take over for that for, even for just a little bit of time, you know, when it's always been you and, and it's, that can be a little scary. And so it's, you know, taking some baby steps though. Um, so that you can have some, some time or some boundaries or again, to, to whether that's, you know, creativity or, but whatever, but again, really working on what lights you up so that, that, you know, again, your spirit is, is, um, is fed.

Lili 1:00:46

So the ears, I was going to ask you about the ears. The ears probably the one place that, um, I seem to never remember. The timeline, the timeline, you know, I never seem to remember when I see dents and indented, you know, folds and like, I always look and think, I can't remember what that's supposed to be. I don't know why it just doesn't stick in my head, but the, but the, the other things like the earlobes, I tend to remember those bits and pieces, but I can never remember this. Um, and it's quite a simple ish thing.

Tamara 1:01:19

well, remember, I mean, the ears, just like any other area of the face, the ears can tell me multiple things, um, in a session. And the, the, one of the things that I think you're talking about is timing. Um, so the ears on the, on men and women are, um, reversed. And so I always remember it that women are always right. And so we start at zero one on the right for the women. That's how I could like, I've done my little things as well, but what we're looking at is conception. And then it wraps around the ear, like one, two, three, four, five down to the earlobe to, um, around eight. And then we switched to the other ear till around 14. And then we hit up to our hairline. That's when we start that age map down the face. And so when I look at someone's ears, I'm looking for. Marks on the ear. I call it a mark. It doesn't, it's, it's very subtle. And what that can, can tell me is, is an emotional experience that that person had when they were a child around that age. And it doesn't have to be something negative. It could be that, you know, you were the oldest child and a baby brother was born when you were three, but it was an emotional for the, for you as a child, it affected you emotionally. It was an, and so it shows up on the ear. As a mark. Um, but there's other things that the ears can show. Um, you know, the ear lobes, if they are, you know, some people have ear lobes, like my ear lobes are not connected and that that can signify that I'm okay breaking away from my family. Um, you know, I went to college and I moved away and I've lived all over. Like, I didn't go back to my hometown per.

Lili 1:02:53

Hmm.

Tamara 1:02:53

away from family my whole life. Um, and some people's earlobes are very connected. Um, and that can be a sign that they're very close to their family. Now it doesn't mean that it's perfect. They could be, have a lot of resentment that maybe they have to take care of their family or something. So, and I mean, family, I usually mean like family of origin. So not like your husband, partner, kids, but like parents, but, um, and so. So earlobes can tell us something. Earlobes also can give us indications of someone's health. It can show, it can be an indication of high blood pressure. And then shapes of ears. Some ears stick out. Some ears stick close to the head. And then there's different shapes of the rims and the ears. And so there's a multitude of things that can, um, can, the ears can show. Um, and I often will start a session looking at someone's ears first, um, and starting with childhood.

Lili 1:03:51

Yeah.

Tamara 1:03:52

Does that

Lili 1:03:52

Because I really like that. I really like that. Um, when the ears stick out, they're, they're maybe not, not so, the thing isn't not so much to listen. They're more, maybe perhaps more of a talker. Is that right? Is that the right way around?

Tamara 1:04:06

There can be a couple of meanings. Yeah. Yeah. So, so when they're out, like I actually have those ears and one of the things that it, it can represent too, is if you have, especially in a child. So like if you have a young, a little one and their ears really stick out, it can be a really, it can be a sign of an independent spirit and thinker. And so may not conform. To what everybody else is doing. And that's not a bad thing.

Lili 1:04:28

that's really fascinating because, you know, we were just saying the other night My husband was just saying the other night, he said, we were talking about, um, people that have, uh, flat heads and, um, from, from babies when they've been laid on the back of their head, you know, for long periods of time. And, um, and we, we, we were talking about that because it was, it's another thing in his country where they're laid in these, these crib things for long periods of time to sleep. And they, a lot of them end up with this sort of flat head. You know, flat back of the head. But then my husband went on to say, yeah, but also what's noticed is when children are born with their ears that stick out a bit, you know, parents really don't want that. So they put these earmuffs on them to make sure that they, you know, go back to the head. But that's just made me think that you can actually, can't you actually alter, like you're sort of suppressing that because you're saying it's like a free spirit. So

Tamara 1:05:25

Right.

Lili 1:05:26

you're suppressing that somewhat, aren't you? By forcing them back

Tamara 1:05:30

Yes.

Lili 1:05:30

The head.

Tamara 1:05:32

Yeah. Yes. Yes. And if that's a cultural thing, sometimes that kind of stuff happens, right? I would not judge, but yeah. And that's why it's so important. Um, in my, in just my humble opinion, since I, especially since I've done this work, is really being, um, accepting and honoring The face that you come in with, right? And the how you're aging and being committed to that face without changing it. Because when you make changes on the face or the ears, you know, um, it can change your, you know, energetically. your path. And so, um, yeah, so I, I never liked that my ears stood out until I took this and I was like, Oh, that makes sense. I love that. You know? And so I'm not so upset about it anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

Lili 1:06:21

That's another thing that's just so positive about the face reading is that usually traits that you, you disliked, you find out there's actually quite a lot of positivity to those traits and then it makes you like that part of your face a bit more, you know, it gives you, gives you a bit more reason to self love.

Tamara 1:06:39

Yes. And that's really, and that's what I, I, you know, that's also a goal of mine is, is, you know, as for clients is helping them understand who they really are, you know, who they are authentically. And then, and, and, and to love that, like fall in love with that, honor that, um, and not, not be, you know, it's so easy to be influenced by what society. wants us to look like. And, um, if you can, you can really just show up and be proud of like, you know, who you are in this world, um, you're in such a healthier place.

Lili 1:07:14

We need to look at sort of finishing off and not, um, not anger the weather gods, um, but, uh, lastly, just made me think of, we're in this, um, era at the minute of this this immense amount of Botox use this is not a judgment. It's, it's an observation of somebody that takes health quite seriously. So on that side of it, I just think, you know, we just don't even know what we're getting into. We don't know the long term effects. We just, we just don't know what, you know, what, what's going to happen. Um, but on the other side of it, I just think it is exactly that, isn't it? It's not, it's not accepting these simple things that just occur in your face, you know, like expression

Tamara 1:08:05

and I'm with you. I have, right. I have no judgment. Um, I, I, I use cream and I wash out. I'd be like, like, there's things that I don't, when I see certain lines, I'm like, Oh, I'm not happy about that. Right. I totally understand that. Um, but I think for me, again, I don't judge anyone. And I can, if someone uses Botox or fillers, I can still read their face. That's not a problem. Um, but I think the key is goes back to the, the root of why someone desires to make a change to their face. Um, and if it makes them feel better, fantastic. Um, I always would love for people to keep their natural face. Um, but I don't judge people that choose to, to, um, take a different roUte.

Lili 1:08:48

We're all on a path. We're all

Tamara 1:08:49

Yeah. Time waits for no one. So it's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Lili 1:08:54

But it just makes me think a bit like we were saying about the ears. When you change something, you're changing something like on a deeper level. So of course when you're, you're Botoxing certain lines and um, these lines, you know that you're, you're, you're kind of changing things in a way I think that people don't quite understand and maybe a lot of people just think it's woo. You know, there's like, Oh yeah, whatever.

Tamara 1:09:26

Right. Yeah. And the way, the way you can, you know, for example, if someone, um, you know, doesn't like their forehead lines and so they, they Botox, excuse me. One of the questions that I would ask them to be, or have them be observant to is, has anything, have any themes come up in your life that were similar to the experiences that you had in your twenties? Yeah. issues, any, you know, um, because you're freezing the muscle, right? And you've, and now these lines are gone. So in, in Chinese medicine, um, in the face reading, those lines are wisdom. They're, they're the lessons that you've learned. Now, that doesn't mean you're going to have to totally repeat that same lesson, but it's important to pay attention to the themes of what was happening, um,

Lili 1:10:15

It's like, you're freezing out your twenties,

Tamara 1:10:18

write

Lili 1:10:19

it? It's like, you don't want to recognize

Tamara 1:10:21

you learned, the lessons that you learned.

Lili 1:10:23

Yeah. And maybe it's recurring again.

Tamara 1:10:25

And so

Lili 1:10:26

I don't want to, I don't want to deal with that. Yeah.

Tamara 1:10:31

right. So again, and that's not a prediction, but it's something that you can be an observer to. If is, has anything, you know, has anything kind of come back around that I'm dealing with it? Wow. That was kind of what I went through back then. Um, but again, no judgment on my part. It's just, if somebody asked me, Do you think I should do this? I would say I would, I, I would choose not to. Um, but, but I don't, you know, everyone has to, has to make their own choices.

Lili 1:11:01

Yeah. And learn from their own choices. Yeah. Well, um, Tamara, thank you so much for sticking with this

Tamara 1:11:12

Oh,

Lili 1:11:13

And, um, we got there in the end and hopefully fingers

Tamara 1:11:18

We did. We did. It's okay.

Lili 1:11:21

oh, thank you so much. And, um, I was saying to you before, hopefully we could catch up again, but we can, we can talk a little about the clearing side of things, um, you know, know, the energy clearing and the space clearing and those kinds of things, I'd love to touch base on that.

Tamara 1:11:40

Okay. That sounds great. I would love to, it's just been an honor to be here and I've enjoyed it so much.

Lili 1:11:46

Thank you, Tamara. Thank you. I hope you have a lovely rest of the day for you. It's evening for me now and it's been snowing. It's been snowing for the last,

Tamara 1:11:57

Oh gosh.

Lili 1:11:58

for the last half an hour now it's been snowing, but it's, it's not, it's not settled. It's just all slosh. Yeah, it's gone. Roll on summer.

Tamara 1:12:07

I hope you have a great weekend.

Lili 1:12:09

Thank you. You too, Tamara. Thank you.

Tamara 1:12:11

Uh huh. All

Lili 1:12:12

Bye bye.

Tamara 1:12:14

Take care.

Lili 1:12:15

So, I hope you, I hope you really enjoyed that. Tamara is so interesting to speak to. This is actually our second Our first one, the audio was so bad on it, we had to redo it. And unfortunately there's things we spoke about in that one that we didn't cover in this one. And so definitely going to have Tamara back again, maybe to cover some of the things that we, we, we missed out, um, from the last one that we, we did. We didn't put into this one and also to cover, um, the other, other side of what she does as well, which is, um, energy clearing and space clearing, things like that, which will be really lovely to speak to her about and, um, understand more about what, what she does and how she, Helps people in those ways. So I will put, um, all Tamra's information in all the descriptions so you can easily find her. And thank you so much for listening or watching. It's a new podcast, as I've mentioned previously, likes and comments would be greatly appreciated and of course, if you really enjoy and you've listened to a few of my podcasts already, um, it would be appreciated if you subscribed as well and come back and listen to some more, and thank you so much. So bye for now.