Mocktails Or Messy
Mocktails Or Messy
#28: Southern Charm of Charleston & Cali Sober
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Join us as Kelly kicks things off with her favorite tequila concoction infused with lavender honey and rose water, while reminiscing about her time living in Beaufort, South Carolina. Ryan can't help but admire her Southern belle-inspired outfit as we paint a vivid picture of Charleston's historic beauty and uncover the intriguing tradition behind blue porch ceilings. Plus, hear all about the growing trend of city folks moving down South to soak in that Southern hospitality.
Ready for some laughter and light-hearted chaos? This episode is packed with hilarious high school stories and the surprising dietary habits of Ryan's grandparents. Kelly and Ryan chat about the fun and messiness of mocktails, the delicate balance of sugar in our diets, and the importance of discipline in maintaining a healthy lifestyle. A quirky anecdote about a fruit roll-up and gusher "salad" sparks a discussion on moderation and productivity. And just when Ryan thought he could swear off travel, a new commercial gig pops up, adding a humorous twist to the conversation.
Is reality TV your guilty pleasure? We get into some juicy details about dating, friendship, and the dynamics of settling down. Hear us compare ourselves to the stars of "Southern Charm," particularly Craig Conover's fascinating career shift from law to home decor and his relationship with Paige DeSorbo. As we chat about being "Cali sober," we explore abstaining from alcohol while enjoying cannabis, and the natural origins of getting high or drunk. We wrap things up with a celebration of Kelly's six months of sobriety, sharing a heartfelt toast with mocktails and plenty of laughter. Cheers to another fun-filled episode of "Mocktails are Messy"!
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Speaker 2This is Kelly Musgorski and Ryan Frankofsky and you're listening to Mocktails are. Messy Kelly, what are you drinking today With co? With tequila, it's lavender honey and rose water. I do gotta say you look really sexy today. Look at this little outfit. You look like a Southern belle.
Speaker 1I mean I used to be.
Speaker 2I know you were in Beaufort, South Carolina.
Speaker 1And Mississippi oh fuck, that's right.
Speaker 2I've been all over.
Speaker 1I've actually been in the South, I mean.
Speaker 2More than you've been in the North.
Speaker 1In the last 10 years.
Speaker 2yes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I was in South Carolina recently and I thought of you, being only two hours north of Beaufort, your old home. I love Charleston.
Speaker 1Isn't it amazing?
Speaker 2Yeah, so much.
Speaker 1Southern charm. I love the Spanish moss that hangs from the trees. Yeah, I love the what would you call the houses?
Speaker 2It's not colonial, is it?
Speaker 1Well, we love the architecture.
Speaker 2We love the southern architecture. It's just got a colonial um. I don't know there's. You know those double-decker porches like the front porch.
Speaker 1Did she have the blue painted on the porch on the top?
Speaker 2she did not. She had more of a traditional like it almost looked like it was a northeast town a lot of them have blue.
Speaker 1Okay, what's the blue for?
Speaker 2some people say it keeps spirits away oh my god, I think the truth is that the bugs stay away for some reason they see the blue and they fly like up into it because they think it's the sky.
Speaker 1Oh interesting I don't know, I don't know which one is correct, but those are the two theories that I've heard.
Speaker 2I like that you kind of know these little details that I would have never even have guessed. I guess you lived there long enough to figure it out.
Speaker 1Well, I lived in Beaufort for three years. And they all. I worked in a really cute little town called Habersham, Habersham, and they all had the blue painted above their porches and it's just something. It's like a thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, now would you eventually like, maybe one day, go back move back or not too hot in another life. It's not too hot for me.
Speaker 1I just moved back home to be closer to family and I'm going to stick to it. I'll travel down there, maybe I'll be a snowbird and live there half the year.
Speaker 2I mean, people do that. I was like in Charleston and I'm like, wow, this is like I've been there a couple times, but this was like the first time that I got to explore a little bit more. And I know there's a fly there's a bug.
Speaker 1Okay, did you know that charleston actually is one of the top five places that people are moving to right now?
Speaker 2why is that?
Speaker 1I don't know the reason behind it, but I know people are moving away from like big cities uh new york, chicago, miami, la even san diego. Yeah, um, people are flocking to charleston wonder.
Speaker 2Well, I get why because it's so quaint, it's so beautiful. The, the historical buildings and architecture just make you feel like austin.
Speaker 1They're all flocking from austin too oh, I just came.
Speaker 2I was like it's not houston, it's austin yeah, okay, I kind of knew that you were gonna say houston, but I thought, or I'm sorry, austin, but I thought people were really loving austin, I don's Austin. I kind of knew that you were going to say Houston, but I thought, or I'm sorry, austin, but I thought people were really loving Austin.
Speaker 1I don't know. It's kind of like that song, Like did your boot stop working? Did your truck break down? Now you're drunk and washed up in Austin. It must be washed up there, I don't know.
Speaker 2I know what the hell's going on with the boat. We're on with the boat. We're just gonna have to ignore it. Can we? We can't we grab it? I don't think we can. I know we're gonna have to like fumigate the studio, right, but southern charm is actually filmed in charleston. Okay it's, it's a good show. I think it's just like interesting to see the like charleston city. Like you know, when you watch reality shows, sometimes it's all about like just kind of watching the cities. It's still like it's really.
Speaker 1Did you get it?
Speaker 2No, I don't think so. I did see it kind of fall, but I think he's just like playing games with us.
Speaker 1That thing is fast, it's like a gnat, but a fast gnat I know, just for those of you that can't see it.
Speaker 2It is a really fast gnat, I know. Just for those of you that can't see it it is a really fast gnat. I got it. I got it, you did. Oh my god, can you see it on my hand?
Speaker 1Oh my god Can you see what Ew High five to me.
Speaker 2Thank god you got it. Cheers to you getting the gnat. I love it.
Speaker 1Thank you, Luffy. Okay, we need one messy story from Charleston. What is your Charleston messy story?
Speaker 2So real estate agent met him at Republic and then went to Dudley's and you would not expect this other character there. I always say character. Why do I say character? I think it's just like everybody's a character. Yeah.
Speaker 1Everyone has their own character and some people's just like everybody's a character. Yeah, everyone has their own character, and some people's character is garbage and some people have a really great character yes, I just love like interesting people that are like not only you've been meeting a lot of good ones yeah, I don't know, and this wasn't even from the apps.
Speaker 2I found these guys that just out and about like, went to republic, didn't find any girls. They seem to be all paired up, they seem like they all had their boyfriends out.
Speaker 1Oh, in the South. Yeah, you're either with your girls or with your boyfriend.
Speaker 2There were a lot of bachelorette parties in Charleston. They had like the biggest group of girlfriends. Yes.
Speaker 1Like when I was in the South, I was like how do you have 30 close girlfriends? It's like they're just like this big group it's clicky. It's a thing down there and it's not like it could be clicky, but I'd say it's clicky up North too. It's just smaller groups.
Speaker 2Right Smaller. It's like larger flocks down there.
Speaker 1Yeah, I wonder why they like flock. Comment below. Why is that the case? Because, like us northerners, we don't yeah, we have like maybe five.
Speaker 2We run like maybe four to five deep.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Not like 30.
Speaker 1Like no new friends.
Speaker 2Maybe it's a sorority thing, maybe, but yeah, there was just like this really attractive, interesting dermatologist that I met at Dudley's. Did you get them to check out that thing?
Speaker 1on your ass what? I don't have anything on my ass.
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Speaker 2That's news to me, girl. I mean, maybe eventually I might have something I tattoo. Yeah, I'm, mocktails are messy, I would love to get a little mocktails are messy. The emojis like the cocktail glass, the olive and the messy face.
Speaker 1Oh, my God, we need to do it together. I need to stop interrupting you, though, please finish your story.
Speaker 2I love when you interrupt me, because I'm usually the one that's rambling.
Speaker 1I'm just having too much fun with you. I missed you. You've been traveling for the last two weeks.
Speaker 2I'm done, I'm staying put. For at least a couple months we've been working remote and that's just not the same as working together. Yeah, but I do think that you know this. With co cocktails really good, delicious. However, sugar, I think it's a little higher in the sugar department 13 grams of sugar. This is, I mean, it's worth the sugar 13 grams is not bad.
Speaker 1If you're going to do it, do it. I know Right.
Speaker 2Don't be trying to do that, because now that after watching that interview about like the sugar content, it's like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't Like if you do the sugar-free version like it's just as toxic as like doing tons of sugar and I think we talked, I think, um going back to when we had your grandparents oh, yeah, your grandma and your grandpa they are in their late 80s and 90s.
Speaker 1They are fully active, no health problems, and your grandma told me she eats a pastry every day for breakfast. So you, you know what Like. Limit the sugar.
Speaker 2If you're trying to like I don't know.
Speaker 1It can age your skin a little bit.
Speaker 2I think it's just moderation.
Speaker 1Well, I do have a story about you and I want to say, like in high school, especially if you're an athlete, like nothing counts.
Speaker 1You can eat whatever the fuck you want, right, when you're that young you were at our friend's house after school and you they had like a snack cabinet and you were like I'm gonna go make myself a salad and everyone's like, oh okay, like that's weird, he's gonna go make a salad. So you get a bowl out and you put you ripped up like fruit roll-ups into it and then you put like fruit gushers on top Gushers were like the toppings and you put like multiple packs in it and then you just like ate the shit out of it. And I remember everyone in the room was just like what the fuck Can?
Speaker 1you explain your thought process behind that oh?
Speaker 2yeah, you know what it was. I have not had that kind of food, like fruit roll-ups and gushers were not allowed in the frank costi household. I literally hadn't had that in probably months. Oh my god, and I'm not gonna go buy it, like when you're in like high, you're not going to the grocery store.
Speaker 1I don't know why I'm dying over this.
Speaker 2I was shocked to see that they had, like all this selection of fruit by the foot, fruit, roll up gushers, like all the things that I love.
Speaker 1I think you put some like Welch's gummies in. There too, it was just, I just couldn't believe you did that Was I, gummies in there too.
Speaker 2It was just I just couldn't believe you did that. Was I trying to make you know what me, knowing me?
Speaker 1I was probably trying to give you a little like wow or shock. Well, you did it. You did it and I like I'm thinking, oh my god, he eats like this all the time oh, no, that's.
Speaker 2that's the first mistake, because the fact that I didn't eat it for like so many months and I love it- yeah. I mean, probably should have been a fat kid.
Speaker 1If you hadn't ran 10 miles a day, you probably would have been. Yeah, I think a lot of it was Because we were cross country runners.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, a lot of it was Like. I remember even going to my Aunt Colleen's house and she had this little like cookie jar and it was filled with all this goodies and we never had that growing up.
Speaker 1Did you get into it oh?
Speaker 2yeah, and it would make a noise. It'd be like the little.
Speaker 1Would your mom hear it from the living room and be?
Speaker 2like Ryan, put the lid back on. Yeah, my aunt would be like oh wow, you're going in there another time. What's going on? Somebody got the cravings or the munchies. Oh, bathings or the munchies. Oh my god, you're so out of it okay, anyways.
Speaker 1Um, oh, that was your knee, yeah, but it's okay. Oh, fuck, that was. Your face is red. Do you want to cry?
Speaker 2it hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1You're going to need to work on that if you want to get a gig.
Speaker 2Oh shit, I just got asked to be on hold for a commercial in LA.
Speaker 1Did you Right after you said you were done traveling?
Speaker 2I know, but you know what this is the thing about it. It's like if it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, I'm kind of like I got to focus on other things, you know, like real estate and podcasting and you know. I just feel like there's so many, even like the design certification. Do you think that I'm doing too many things?
Speaker 1I was going to say the man with a thousand things on his plate. I don't think it's too much. If it's not too much for you, it would probably be too much for me and the stage of life that I'm in right now.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1Only because I have kids.
Speaker 2But let me ask you this I just don't know how certain people like do they just not sleep as much Like?
Speaker 1it kind of can be like an IQ thing sometimes.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1Where people just get bored, yes.
Speaker 2Yes, that's a good point, and I also think it's a lot about discipline. Like I think, if we are disciplined, like there's so many moments throughout the day that I'm like picking up my phone looking at social media even though for our business we have to be looking at social media but I put the limits on it. Like I could put like certain time limits on my apps. So now it's like certain time limits on my apps.
Speaker 2So now it's like, uh, you went over your mac, so that I kind of really have to retire the phone for the day so sometimes when I'm not like you know, messaging you back very quickly, it's because of the time limits that I got actually from girls. Gotta eat podcasts. Reina oh, she was like I set my time limits Because it's become a problem. I think it's just like normal In like everyday people's life. Like I remember working as an engineer I was like I think Facebook was really Popular then and I remember I'm like I can't have it on my work Computer because that shit is like Addictive with the notifications.
Speaker 1Oh, I would never have it On my computer. No, no way like you, just I actually regret like I, I regret putting notifications on my apple watch now yes I thought, oh, if I have a notification to my apple watch, it'll make me use my phone less, but it just feeds into the whole cycle yeah, yeah, so I actually have to reprogram my Apple watch and um take off certain notifications.
Speaker 2Well, I think we do have that ADD. But you know, I thought like I might need to like talk to you, know somebody about that? But kind of on that, like I don't know, it's kind of hard to say. I know we talk about it all the time I was diagnosed in elementary school. Oh my God, so your parents were just kind of like eh, don't need it.
Speaker 2Well, actually they tried to give it to me and I came home from school and said that I hated it, and they actually didn't make me do it again and I think, as a kid, you would hate this feeling of like feeling more focused. Yes, yes, um like feeling more focused.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, um, I remember in like an elementary school I was. It was a spelling test, it was like third or fourth grade and I'm like drawing pictures on the spelling test and then, like I didn't even like, it's like I blacked out I didn't even know there's a spelling test, I'm just drawing pictures oh my god, and they, they actually sent me to the principal's office because they thought I was being rebellious.
Speaker 2And just drawing pictures.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I truly wasn't like trying to rebel, I just like totally zoned out.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's kind of scary to think about as, like you know, a little kid and you're just like getting in trouble for something that you couldn't control.
Speaker 1Yeah, it happened to me actually a lot.
Speaker 2Oh damn.
Speaker 1Until I got the diagnosis.
Speaker 2Do you think that that has kind of shaped you the way you are today? Like you know this very like personable, funny, bubbly type of character because you really weren't able to focus in on like the education or like the book yeah, you compensate. Yeah.
Speaker 1But also I feel that it is who I am today. I also try to just be more understanding. If something is coming across a certain way, I don't react impulsively. I try to investigate first before I try to give people the benefit of the doubt before I jumped on their throat or assume something I'm really big on. Like, I don't make assumptions.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I feel like you're definitely understanding of me. Whenever I'm going through a tough time, or if I'm a little bit quiet, you're like hey, you okay, like you want to talk about something. You're like always reminding me, like hey, like you got to smile, like I was stressed out a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1I hope I don't do that too much to you.
Speaker 2No, no, I think it just is a good reminder to like stop and smell the roses and you know, when I was away it was really relaxing and I do have to say I totally disconnected. I was with my Aunt Peg. My mom came down we were supposed to meet with like her newly single daughter, who was dating somebody similar to who I was dating, you know older. So her daughter was supposed to be there. She lives in New York and like she had kind of had a similar relationship seven years and she wasn't able to make it because it was Pride weekend. And yeah, I just had a lot of like relaxation and like even my aunt is now into the mocktail movement because she will still do the drinks with her like family and friends but she said that sometimes she'll like do a full bottle of wine and it's like, okay, I need a break.
Speaker 2Like she doesn't have a problem with, like weight, she's very fit. Yeah like I think it's just like, I don't know, like I think we all kind of, after the pandemic, went a little bit too extreme with the vino, the wine, the, the, the, truly, the white claw, whatever it may be. I think it's just we kind of.
Speaker 2Some people fell into a bracket that they weren't typically in, so for me I've always been like if I'm opening up a bottle, I'm finishing it yes, like I remember me doing the same things and I realize now like I had this epiphany today it's six months sober oh my gosh congratulations thank you, but I kind of did piggyback off yeah, yeah, cheers.
Speaker 1Six months baby no, I don't know how long it's gonna be, but like this is just feeling good it doesn't matter, you're taking it day by day. I'm taking it day by day.
Speaker 2You look great thank you, I do feel great. I think it's just one of those things that, like, I love to still incorporate. Like you to like enjoy yourself. There is no pressure. I think also, too, like when I was drinking, I was trying to escape. When I was working in these corporate jobs, or even these jobs that like were providing, like me, like a decent lifestyle, and I realized that I just want to be my boss. I want to be my own boss. I do not want to like as a freelancer. You are your own boss. As a real estate agent, you are in charge of your business. You might be under a brokerage.
Speaker 1Don't forget you're working for the talent agencies too, and you're getting side gigs. Oh for sure, some of them are really big.
Speaker 2So so I am my own boss in a lot of these world or a lot of these industries, I think. When I was working for somebody I was very unhappy, so like I incorporated, like okay, where's the happy hour? Where's five o'clock, where's six o'clock, where's the bottle of wine? And it's just like one of those things that I realize now, like I get it taking it out, like I might be able to incorporate it back in in my lifestyle. However, taking it out, I realized I I wasn't clouded.
Speaker 2Now my judgment is you need to do that every now and then yeah, to reset well, and right now it's easy for me to be able to really focus on nutrition and health and sobriety, because it's like I don't have a relationship that I'm going out to dinner enjoying. I will say there is something to be said If you're dating somebody that you need, the booze Might be a problem.
Speaker 1That's not someone you should be with.
Speaker 2Right, Like if that's where your happy place or hobbies are, which is very common in New York.
Speaker 1What.
Speaker 2And like it's just because that's where you meet each other out.
Speaker 1That should not be common, Like that is so sad.
Speaker 2It is, but it's I mean, it's kind of a thing Like. I mean, you know yourself, you've dated people and dated people, and sometimes it was just all about meeting on the weekend or if you were getting a little messy.
Speaker 1Honey, I've dated like two people. Oh my God, that's right, I know I'm pathetic. I can't believe that you dated only two people. I don't really open up that easy.
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Speaker 2And that sounds ridiculous. Now we have a podcast, but I'm going to date for you, but I've dated like two people. I'm going to do all the dating for you.
Speaker 1And I'm married to one of them.
Speaker 2I know, I know, I mean that is kind of nuts.
Speaker 1Well, I live vicariously through you. I tell you that.
Speaker 2Yes, well, and I think too like I'm never going to really want to settle down unless, like I could see that coming. You think that I will?
Speaker 1Oh no, I could see you not settling down.
Speaker 2I don't know. I just think I get so bored easily in my attention span, or maybe it's like more. I don't. I can't figure it out. Kelly, I think you've been with me, the baby. I know you're my right hand woman. I'm a girl. No, well, I do want to, you know, get you to watch southern charm on. Bravo, I want you to watch it. Let's do it, because like we need to do a little like maybe, like we have like a little binge night you and me and the kids.
Speaker 2Okay, let's do it yeah, I want you to see what craig conover is at Sewing Down South. It is such a cool setup. They have pillows, they have hats, they have like all this like definitely like was interesting and empowering to see like somebody that was a lawyer and then he moved into this space of like home decor and he's just like continuing to rise and rise and rise and get, like you know, the speaking engagement roles at like the Atlanta market fair.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, and he's dating who?
Speaker 2Paige DeSorbo, I think that's it.
Speaker 1Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2DeSorbo.
Speaker 1From Giggly Squad. She's the giggler she's a giggler, shut that front door.
Speaker 2I know and I think about you and me, like, kind of simply, they all say that there's like these two friends that like come up to them and be like, oh my god, I'm such a Hannah burner. Or oh my god, like that's a page, like you know how you have those friends, or is it the other way around?
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 2I kind of think it is fuck, it's the other way around it's the other way around you're Hannah. Yeah, I'm probably a little bit of like I'm more of a Hannah don't you think?
Speaker 1Now that I'm thinking, it's like we're similar, we're BFF Right?
Speaker 2No, it's the other way around.
Speaker 1You can be a little cold-hearted bitch right. Is she a cold-hearted little bitch? Paige, she's a little.
Speaker 2Scorpio cold-hearted.
Speaker 1Well, you're Scorpio.
Speaker 2I know, but you like are now a little bit more. I we can't figure it out. Like out of the gigglers guys comment below If you listen to giggly squad or you know summer house with page to Sorbo and Southern charm, she's dating Craig Conover, I don't know. I mean Hannah's the standup comedian, hannah burner, okay, and she did perform in. Know, I mean Hannah's the stand-up comedian, hannah Burner, okay, and she did perform in Pittsburgh. I was going to try to get tickets but then, like, it switched and so, anyways, I don't know.
Speaker 1We're a mix-up, we're scrambled eggs.
Speaker 2I know.
Speaker 1We are scrambled eggs. Take those two yolks, scramble it up. We're scrambled eggs, exactly, or maybe we're just ryan and kelly?
Speaker 2well, yeah, we are we were just ryan and kelly. We're our own person I just love them I know they are so cute and like they banter and like I know whenever you were always like, oh, we got to take this out, we that's boring, this, that and the other. But I think sometimes like it's really interesting to like hear the like bullshit banter that people are like having whenever they're on the pods I think so.
Speaker 1I mean it can be. It depends what you have time for and what you're looking for yeah, that's true so you know a little thing about like a little something about cali sober yeah so this drink is so fucking good, I can't stop so, like, if you're getting high because of the THC bonds, can you like put it in butter and then can you get high from like eating a steak that you cooked in butter.
Speaker 2I heard that that's a thing, because the fact that it was, I guess, like cooked and it made it like it, it create I, I don't know.
Speaker 1I mean mean there's olive oil yeah, you definitely do.
Speaker 2There's olive oil with it, so there's like olive oil, thc, olive oil what?
Speaker 1where do I yeah?
Speaker 2I mean, it was a cali thing whenever I was out there that's cool yeah, I know, I thought you might like it. I mean so Cali, sober to me is everything like, but like. You're sober but you still dabble with the weed, the THC.
Speaker 1Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2So you won't drink, you won't do any drugs besides weed, because it's a natural drug and you know, California, I I guess, is big on, like you know, just being that's cool, but let me debunk it.
Speaker 1Alcohol is natural too. It's just like fermented. I could eat a piece of fermented fruit and that's a very good point.
Speaker 2Now, how do we, how do you describe that to somebody that says, oh no, no, alcohol is a drug, but it's in fruit like drugs yeah I think you know there's a fermentation process with fruit.
Speaker 1But well, and I think too like you're not gonna get really like drunk unless it's concentrated alcohol right and you'd have to work for it yes just like you, I mean, if you ate one like pot leaf probably well, I heard that you can't get high from eating a pot leaf. It has to be like burned or the bud I don't know I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2I heard it has to be dried and but like like dried and.
Speaker 1Oh, that sounds like a crazier process than the alcohol fermentation process.
Speaker 2I know, I know, so maybe there's something to be said with that. I mean, I don't understand Like we should probably do our research.
Speaker 1Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2You are so funny. I think to myself.
Speaker 1I'm like I would like like to be kelly sober, but I did really feel like I was always like misplacing my phone or misplacing my keys, or it was just like, and it was also making me like, super like munchie, hardcore munchies oh, that's so funny if I and I haven't had weed in a very long time, but when I have it I don't.
Speaker 2I don't get the munchies yeah, how the fuck does that happen?
Speaker 1I don't know, I just feel content.
Speaker 2You're lucky. That's like really unheard of it's.
Speaker 1if I have alcohol, I'm like let me order a whole pizza and eat it.
Speaker 2Yeah, thank you so much, kelly, for talking about my little trip down south to Charleston.
Speaker 1We all love to take a trip down south.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, what kind of trip are you talking about? You know, you are such a breath of fresh air. Kelly, thank you for cheers into my sobriety six months over.
Speaker 1Thank you for listening to. Mocktails are Messy. This is Kelly Musgorski.
Speaker 2And Ryan Frankowski.
Speaker 1We love you guys.
Speaker 2Ciao, bella, ciao, bello. God, I pissed myself. Did you want to pee yeah?
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