#38 Serial Killers: Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy & Zodiac – Drinks of Choice

What if the chilling world of serial killers was intertwined with the seemingly mundane act of drinking? Join us as we navigate through the eerie tales of Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy, exploring how alcohol blurred lines of sanity for these notorious murderers. The unsettling reality of Dahmer's heinous crimes and Gacy’s terrifying “killer clown” persona will leave you questioning how such darkness can exist beneath a facade of normalcy. Our discussion takes us deeper into the spine-chilling mystery of the Zodiac Killer, whose cryptic messages continue to haunt the public. 

This episode doesn't stop at true crime—understanding what sets a sociopath apart from a psychopath can be crucial for recognizing potentially dangerous individuals. We break down their characteristics and behaviors, delving into environmental factors and sharing startling statistics about the prevalence of psychopaths. You'll gain insights into warning signs and behaviors, which could be critical for ensuring safety in your everyday interactions. This knowledge might just equip you with the tools to better understand the dark nature of some individuals.

After a journey through darkness, we turn to the vibrant world of music festivals. Imagine the pulsating beats of electronic music and the camaraderie of festival-goers; we share personal reflections on the allure of these events and the lifestyle of "Cali sobriety." From the nostalgia of Warped Tour to the lively music scenes across California, we paint a picture of a lifestyle where community and experience take center stage—even if it comes with a hefty price tag. Embrace the sunshine and explore the unique cultural phenomenon that is California living, in all its sun-soaked glory.

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Serial Killers and Alcoholic Beverages

Speaker 1 0:00

Have you ever wondered what drives individuals to commit unspeakable acts? Yeah, do you know what contact dermatitis is?

Speaker 2 0:10

Oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin.

Speaker 1 0:13

It might feel that way. He would actually drink himself into oblivion, he would black out. And he would actually claim to not even remember murdering his victims.

Speaker 2 0:23

See, that's the scary part about booze. Sometimes, when people get blackout, you don't know what they're capable of.

Speaker 1 0:31

Right, you could get them to sign your titty.

Speaker 2 0:35

This is Mocktails or Messy with Ryan Frankofsky and.

Speaker 1 0:39

Kelly Musgorski. For anyone tuning in for your first time, welcome. We like to discuss debauchery train wrecks and we love to do it with a cocktail or mocktail in hand.

Speaker 2 0:52

And today, kelly, you brought your pumpkin alcoholic beer, and then you brought my pumpkin non-elk chai beer.

Speaker 1 0:59

You do the mocktails now.

Speaker 2 1:01

Yeah, let's go mocktail uncool with the gorginess chai. This looks pretty tasty, Kelly. What do you think?

Speaker 1 1:09

It does look good and I tried to find an equivalent. It's kind of hard. I got this at Whole Foods. It is called Star Crumb Pumpkin Pie Heart Shake. It's a sour ale. It's brewed with pumpkin spices, milk, sugar and metagas or vanilla beans that sounds very tasty and it's cute packaging I just got the mic wet.

Speaker 2 1:32

Wouldn't be the first time what are you referring to? Cheers, cheers, baby girl, mine's really fucking good okay, mine's kind of weird I almost want to try, but I can't I know I mean, it's not that I can't I guys, I just am like nine months and I'm like trying to stay on that streak you know what it kind of tastes like a chai latte with alcohol.

Speaker 2 1:57

Today we're gonna be delving into darkness I love it we are going to be looking inside the minds of serial killers yeah, pop your mocks or cocks and we are gonna dive deep into the spookiness between serial killers and alcoholic drinks happy fall y'all.

Speaker 1 2:20

I don't think this has actually been done before.

Speaker 2 2:23

Are you spooked out right now?

Speaker 1 2:25

I'm a little scared. Have you ever wondered what drives individuals to commit unspeakable acts? In the shadowy world of a serial killer? There's a pattern Many turn to alcohol as a means to silence their inner demons. A simple drink can transform a seemingly normal individual into a force of evil. The line between sanity and madness blurs with each sip, a prelude to the poison in their souls.

Speaker 2 2:58

So this is a spooky day. Today we're getting ready to dive into Oktober fest with the pumpkin beer yes, yeah, okay so jeffrey dommer, jeffrey dommer do you know what?

Speaker 1 3:09

jeffrey dommer gin and tonic okay, so it is rum and coke oh, what that's weird so dommer. He would start his night off with beer. He would have miller or papsst Is Pabst, blue Ribbon.

Speaker 2 3:25

Is that it? That's it. It's a cheap one, but everybody liked it.

Speaker 1 3:29

And then he'd move on to the blended stuff, like scotch or whiskey, and he'd always mix it with a Coke.

Speaker 2 3:35

Oh God.

Speaker 1 3:36

So, yeah, they start off slow with the beer and then they start going for the hard stuff.

Speaker 2 3:40

That's dark.

Speaker 1 3:47

It is so dark. This episode is going to be dark, so if you are sensitive to that type of content, I would recommend clicking out right now.

Speaker 2 3:50

Yeah, we're a little dark.

Speaker 1 3:52

You know the scorpio and the gemini come together and we love our halloween oh my gosh, when a scorpio and a gemini come together, you don't know what's gonna happen. Jeffrey Dahmer is known as the Milwaukee cannibal. Right, okay, so he committed rape, murder, and he dismembered at least 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991. Yep, so he would actually lure his victims home, he would promise them money or he would like ask for a favor.

Speaker 2 4:30

And like, wouldn't he pretend he was like going to do photo shoot or something?

Speaker 1 4:33

Yes, he would promise sexual favors, so I could see a photo shoot happening, you know yeah. He would then drug them, so he couldn't do it. He didn't do it when they weren't drugged. He would drug them, so he couldn't do it. He didn't do it when they weren't drugged. He would drug them and then he would strangle them.

Speaker 2 4:50

What a dark motherfucker.

Speaker 1 4:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:54

I mean, I guess he did like have a lot of issues with, like the taxidermy obsession. Yes, Weird.

Speaker 1 5:01

Yeah, he definitely had family issues. Unfortunately, he would then strangle them.

Speaker 2 5:08

engage you're so like coy about it, strangle them he would engage in acts of necrophilia, then oh yeah, he would then dismember them and and then he would eat them, right or throw them in the freezer?

Speaker 1 5:26

No, he would eat them. Cook them up. They were in the freezer too, but he would eat them yes.

Speaker 2 5:31

Like cook them up on the skillet.

Speaker 1 5:32

He'd cut them up, probably, so they'd fit in the freezer. And he'd bake them or put them on the skillet, I don't know.

Speaker 2 5:40

That's so foul. It's really disgusting. I know we're laughing about it, but God, that is so sad.

Speaker 1 5:55

And then they made a big thing on the documentary and talked about how we, in honor of all these men and boys that have been it's so fucked. He was caught in 1991 when one of his victims did manage to escape, thank God. I know I can't believe he was able to hide it for that long that's what's scary about these serial killers is they are in.

Speaker 1 6:10

They are extremely intelligent yeah, and deceptive and we'll go over that later. Um, but yeah, he was caught in 1991, sentenced to 15 consecutive life terms in prison in other words, he's not getting out ever, but he was actually killed by a fellow inmate in 1994 wow that's uh, jeffrey that's jeffrey for you and he likes his rum and coke.

Speaker 2 6:36

Start off with a paps blue ribbon or a lager and then switch over to the liquor rum and coke and then maybe the blended scotch okay so now we know what jeffrey dalmer like.

Speaker 1 6:48

What the fuck okay, do you know ted bundy? He was very introverted and shy actually, and he was very attractive oh, yeah, he was like a hottie. Yeah, yes, be careful why he could fly under the radar, because it's like an unsuspecting appearance.

Speaker 2 7:08

He didn't look creepy yeah, and he was charming so it's like he drew people in yeah, with that like little wit, that little smirk, yeah, little snake slithering through the grass, you know, charming yeah, like those little boa constrictors, they like dance to the music, right yeah? And then they go yeah, exactly, just attack.

Speaker 1 7:27

So he liked malt liquor, which I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 2 7:31

That sounds disgusting. It's like Colt 45 and 266 Baby. That's all we need.

Speaker 1 7:37

Have you heard of this Mickey's Big Mouth?

Speaker 2 7:39

Malt liquor. I feel like it's kind of like Colt 45. So when I hear malt liquor I think it's like a beer with a liquor mix. Okay, yeah, it sounds gross, I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 7:50

I just don't like the malt taste Like personally I don't. He would have some like red wine with a nice dinner.

Speaker 2 7:58

That's okay.

Speaker 1 7:59

That's normal, yeah, so kind of cute. Yeah, he actually okay, it's normal. Yeah, so kind of cute. Yeah, he actually Okay. So he actually terrorized multiple states in 1970s and, as we said, he was known for his good looks, charm and like cunning, manipulation, and he would lure young woman in. He would actually act like he's like injured or needs help and it's like, oh, he's just like attractive, alluring young man. Surely I'm going to help him right, but he confessed to killing 30 women.

Speaker 2 8:35

What years were those? What year was that?

Speaker 1 8:39

That was in 19. Well, I know in 1975 he was caught, so prior to that he killed 30 women, but the numbers are believed to actually be higher than that that's kind of scary. He would sexually assault them, torture them when they say that stuff.

Speaker 2 8:58

I'm like, do they really have any ounce of good? I'm like, do they really have like any ounce of good?

Speaker 1 9:04

No, I mean, he would even revisit their corpses and have another go have another blow, oh God. He just did a killing spree for years and he was caught and he actually he managed to escape custody twice, which I don't even know how the hell that happens.

Speaker 2 9:30

That's bizarre, because that makes me think like is it just such a smart guy that?

Speaker 1 9:35

he could just escape.

Speaker 2 9:36

Yeah, wow, we need more details on that.

Speaker 1 9:40

I know, right, that's weird. He did, you know, get executed in the electric chair in um 1989 so he's all gone, he's all gone and um, I guess the terrifying reality the terrifying reality is someone could be so charming and so attractive and you still can't trust anybody.

Speaker 2 10:00

I know like you I am not. I'm kidding. You could say the same thing about that's.

Speaker 1 10:08

That's what's scary, is like you could say it about a lot of people like oh, they're charming and they're attractive, like automatically you trust people that are charming.

Speaker 2 10:18

It's just human nature, yeah that's true and, like you, kind of picture a serial killer being all messed up looking.

Speaker 1 10:26

So when they're put together, it's very unassuming yeah.

Speaker 2 10:30

I mean, we take it for granted. And then you sometimes catch yourself when you watch all these date lines and you're just like okay, wait, that could actually be your life.

Speaker 1 10:40

Yeah, yeah.

Serial Killers and Their Dark Secrets

Speaker 2 10:41

So you're always kind of I think that stuff can maybe paranoia you, and then hearing these stories like God, Right, and this is just like the tip of the icebergs.

Speaker 1 10:50

On these stories, we're obviously not delving into too much detail.

Speaker 2 10:54

We're just giving you a little like synopsis on it For the time of year.

Speaker 1 10:59

I mean, it's good to know, right.

Speaker 2 11:00

Spooky for October.

Speaker 1 11:02

So John Wayne Gacy.

Speaker 2 11:05

Yeah, you know what? I watched that documentary.

Speaker 1 11:08

that was whack he's the killer clown. Yeah, yeah, john wayne gacy, he loved j and b scotch j and b. Oh yeah, we've seen that just justerini and brooks is what j andmb is okay he was known as the killer clown fucking terrifying he would actually drink himself into oblivion, he would black out and he would actually claim to not even remember, like murdering his victims, see that's the scary part about booze.

Speaker 2 11:42

Sometimes, yeah, people get like blackout. You don't know what they're capable of, right, and I think that's a lot of reasons why, like, there is so serious like the dui charges, because, like you know, you don't know what you're doing on the road, you can't fucking operate a motor vehicle usually, and so like, with a blackout, like if you get so angry you could try and beat up a cop or you just could fucking, like you know, try to like kill somebody, like this killer clown I mean, have you ever seen someone black out and like their eyes literally glaze over?

Speaker 2 12:14

like their soul has left their body, and I'm not saying I've seen they're, it's like, it's not them anymore oh yeah, like I've definitely been like that. I think somebody told me like I was like kind of like, not there oh, okay that was brian. He told me that yeah, your ex. Yeah, that was like a weird thing to be told because I think people had saw it before when I would like party on like vegas bachelor parties and all that shit but we were all there together interesting.

Speaker 1 12:44

I feel like I've actually never blacked out before yeah, you're good about it.

Speaker 1 12:49

You don't like take it to the next, next level and even like when we used to like be like wild children back in like college or even high school, or wait, you didn't even party in high school, which is so weird to me I still can't believe that I was too into like being like in my sports, like track and cross country was my life and I wasn't about to fuck it up I wasn't gonna fuck that up with alcohol and I just wasn't interested wait, what about at my 16th birthday?

Speaker 2 13:16

I didn't, he didn't, you were just like chugging red bull, like us I don't, I don't even think I had anything. I may probably water your husband was putting fucking coconut parrot bay.

Speaker 1 13:27

That's why I didn't. I didn't fuck with him.

Speaker 2 13:29

I didn't fuck with him back then I know I was trying to be good, but he's putting parrot bay coconut rum in my red jesus so, yeah, this blackout thing is scary, john gacy, john wayne gacy, john wayne gacy.

Speaker 1 13:39

Yeah, he murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young men, and he actually like buried their bodies under his house, like under the John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy yeah, he murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young men and he actually like buried their bodies under his house, like under the foundation of his house. So that's how police actually caught him. Um, there was something suspicious and they went and investigated and they started to find bodies under the house and on his property.

Speaker 2 14:02

I think that was when the documentary kind of took off. They had the cops like actual footage yeah, digging up like in the basement.

Speaker 1 14:12

Yeah, so he was actually. He was executed by lethal injection.

Speaker 2 14:17

Right, a little bit more humane.

Speaker 1 14:19

They have passed in different ways.

Speaker 2 14:21

Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 14:22

But I mean there's another one that we don't know their favorite drink that I thought might be fun because it's unsolved okay so that'd be the zodiac killer yeah, that is such a weird situation.

Speaker 2 14:35

I still, like, am shocked that they have not found him that was in like the 60s and 70s and um it's.

Speaker 1 14:45

It's thought that there's been like 37 murders, five to 37. I know that's a big range. Yeah, he used to actually write into the paper like I need help. I'm about to like kill my next victim yeah.

Speaker 2 14:58

He would ask for help through like public forum you wonder if it's like part of it, like wants the attention probably like why would you? Like write into a public forum back in the 90s.

Speaker 1 15:12

It's almost like you were a celebrity if you were a killer, because everyone knew about you. You're all over the news he would write in and he would always sign with like a symbol resembling a crosshair target. So it'd be like a circle with a little. But yeah, zodiac Killer never has been caught. We don't know whatever came of him.

Speaker 2 15:32

Yeah, hopefully he's dead.

Speaker 1 15:35

So this is something really creepy that I just think should be brought to people's awareness, especially in the spooky month Spooky, but at all times of the year. Yeah, do you know what contact dermatitis is?

Speaker 2 15:51

Contact dermatitis. It's something to do with your skin.

Speaker 1 15:54

Yes.

Speaker 2 15:55

Is it a oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin.

Speaker 1 16:00

It might feel that way to those who have it so it's caused by exposure to decomposing fluid or other chemicals yeah, oh no, when I was living in san diego, I had a co-worker who told me a story about a friend she had it was a bachelorette party. They all went to vegas great time great time this girl little debaucherous little debaucherous right.

Speaker 1 16:33

She met a guy at a bar, went home with him oh gosh and after she left tell me they didn't have like unprotected sex well, I'm not sure, but she went home and she had a rash. She just got this rash like all over her body, what itchy, scaly, like disgusting rash. It was bad. She had to go to the hospital, okay and um, basically, the hospital was like we need this like name and address, like due to like whatever bacteria they found it was from a decomposing body. Why would he have?

Speaker 2 17:14

it. Why would he have that?

Speaker 1 17:17

right. So she she actually contracted this rash, like from fluids that were on the linens oh my god, please tell me he didn't kill somebody so they found like bodies in his home.

Speaker 2 17:32

I think it was like four so he, she went home with some dude in vegas somehow he didn't kill her wow maybe he was too drunk or something, I don't know.

Speaker 1 17:42

Maybe he passed out before he did that.

Speaker 2 17:44

They ended up fine, like they made a correlation with the rash that she got and then she they investigated further they.

Speaker 1 17:52

They investigated further because it was only the bacteria would have been contracted by a deceased person oh, so they had to, they pretty much had to like investigate further they notified police and stuff like that and that's pretty intricate yeah, so basically there must have been a decomposing body on those linens in his bed everything today is like I can't there was a woman in cleveland who she had, like really chopped itchy dry, swollen lips okay.

Speaker 2 18:30

Everything you're describing today is making me sick. Sorry, but you seem very comfortable discussing it.

Speaker 1 18:40

She's trying to treat it with like lip balm, Like oh, I'm just like chopped right, Right. But she ended up having to like go to the doctor again like this other girl and um decomposing body.

Speaker 1 18:53

Turns out, her boyfriend had passed two weeks prior and um she like was kissing, kissed him in the casket, not thinking anything of it yeah, and contracted this like I didn't realize that this was so like contagious I don't think it typically is like a common thing, but it's something that can happen if you come in contact with the deceased well makes you think next time that you're like seeing somebody that you love in a casket and you want to maybe just touch their hand.

Speaker 2 19:25

I mean, I always felt very weird about that, but some people are very comfortable with grabbing their hand to say goodbye.

Speaker 1 19:33

I've never done it and I know that.

Speaker 2 19:35

You couldn't do it. Even I've seen people kissing them.

Speaker 1 19:38

I have, oh, no, I have a few times yeah.

Speaker 2 19:41

Maybe that's just they're connected and they want to give a last kiss. I mean, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 19:48

Yeah, maybe you'd have to have an open wound and that's how it gets in there and spreads. But yeah, contact dermatitis is a thing.

Speaker 2 19:57

Oh fuck, Yep, that's weird baby girl. I don't like the sound of that.

Speaker 1 20:05

Yeah, baby girl, I don't like the sound of that, yeah. So anyways, we we examined like common traits amongst serial killers how?

Speaker 2 20:11

a lot of them do turn to alcohol, to kind of turn off their like sensory details or maybe their like willingness to be like good I don't know what the right like terminology is like they just shut off their. If you have any like consciousness, like you don't want to fucking kill anybody, that that's just so dark, that's evil. But then it's also, on top of that, take the evil and darkness out of the equation. You're not that smart to think that you could get away with it right.

Understanding Sociopaths and Psychopaths

Speaker 1 20:47

Well, I will say you're kind of hitting the nail on the head here, because a lot of them and this isn't not every like serial killer is a psychopath or a sociopath, but it is a common trend what is a sociopath like?

Speaker 2 21:02

I've heard it all the time. I don't know really understand that word.

Speaker 1 21:05

Yeah, so there is a difference between sociopath and psychopath.

Speaker 2 21:09

Okay. So, psychopath, I kind of understand.

Speaker 1 21:12

Okay, psychopath is a person who's often characterized by like shallow emotions. They're manipulative, they lack empathy and remorse.

Speaker 2 21:22

Yes, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 21:24

Yeah, and they have a tendency towards impulsivity and sensation seeking. Could be killing people, could be like petting their dog, I don't know yeah, you know it's not like, or sex, it could be anything it's not like. Just because you're a psychopath or sociopath does not by any means mean that you are capable of murder, killing, yeah Right. And then like sociopaths they are typically associated with, like more chaotic upbringings. It's like more environmental.

Speaker 2 22:00

They like to lie a lot and they believe their lies.

Speaker 1 22:04

Yes, they disregard societal norms. Okay, yeah, lies. Yes, they disregard societal norms.

Speaker 2 22:07

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 22:09

They lack empathy. Also they're impulsive, also Interesting. They could have a background in like breaking the law.

Speaker 2 22:14

Okay.

Speaker 1 22:15

So it's kind of, I think, easier to spot a sociopath than a psychopath.

Speaker 2 22:21

Okay.

Speaker 1 22:22

That's what I'm gathering here.

Speaker 2 22:23

Yeah, okay, that's what I'm gathering here?

Speaker 1 22:26

Yeah, but I want to ask you what you think Out of every 20,000 people, how many do you think have murdered someone?

Speaker 2 22:38

Oh damn, 20,000. Let's see, okay, so that becomes like a poll, like that's basically half of my university, penn State. So out of the half of Penn Staters that were in school while I was there, how many?

Speaker 1 22:55

That's a fun way to look at it.

Speaker 2 22:56

Yeah, like half of the campus. How many murdered somebody? I would say maybe just like two.

Speaker 1 23:11

That's close, so it's one. It's about one in 20.

Speaker 2 23:14

Okay, one in 20,000. I think it's more like two.

Speaker 1 23:17

It says one, that's who's caught Right. So we don't catch everyone, so it's probably closer to two.

Speaker 2 23:23

That's interesting. Yeah, you know what's? Some fucked up shit. My driving instructor back in the day when I was like 15 16, he was like just saying if you're gonna murder somebody, do it in a motor vehicle.

Speaker 1 23:37

There's so many variables, what the fuck like when you're like 15 or 16, learning to drive that he's like.

Speaker 2 23:45

I don't know if he was trying to be funny. I mean, he was an old man, he was fucking hilarious. Then there was that dark comment that I'm like.

Speaker 1 23:53

You've had some weird things. That is fucking weird, Like Well speaking of like psychopaths and sociopaths one in a hundred are, so it's kind of like one in a hundred is like could be capable Psychopaths one in a hundred are, so it's kind of like one in a hundred could be capable.

Speaker 2 24:06

Well, I didn't realize that narcissists were so common in society.

Speaker 1 24:11

Yeah, I heard that's like one in ten. Yeah, that's what I've heard.

Speaker 2 24:15

That makes sense. But one in a hundred a psychopath, yeah. So that makes me realize we are coming in contact with them yearly.

Speaker 1 24:25

You could just be passing them when you're in the grocery store.

Speaker 2 24:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:28

It's just a common thing that people don't truly think about a lot. I don't normally think about that. I mean, I do always have my head on a swivel, but yes, I've learned that too. According to the National Missing and Unidentified Person System, no-transcript. So there's a lot that aren't ever caught.

Speaker 2 25:02

Okay.

Speaker 1 25:03

And, unfortunately, a lot of individuals who are never found. What the?

Speaker 2 25:10

fuck. I mean, it makes me a little bit like the chills are running, like it makes me feel like okay, watch out.

Speaker 1 25:19

Like maybe more of a swivel, like you know how we get older, like we get more worried about things when you're young, you just kind of are like whatever do you ever just get like the shutters when you're like driving down the highway yeah I, I have that happen sometimes and I'm like um, like you just never know where a body might have been, like chucked or something. A body like chucked out of a vehicle.

Speaker 2 25:47

I mean, that's something that could have like. Yeah, like, I guess, when you think about it, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 25:52

I mean you hear these stories where a trucker pulls off to like pee on the side of a highway and they kind of like go into the woods and they see like a skeleton or something that happens.

Speaker 2 26:06

Is that spooky, or what? To see a skeleton hanging out on the fucking side of the road. So spooky.

Speaker 1 26:14

We do want to recognize the warning signs, though. We want to keep our viewers safe and we want to stay safe. Warning signs I've got a list here. I'm going to just write it off.

Speaker 2 26:23

I love warning signs Like, yeah, we need this today.

Speaker 1 26:26

We want to keep you safe, not only from killers, but just from harm in general. There's people out there that will harm you, so potential red flags of behavior would consider.

Speaker 2 26:37

You're such a mom with all these little tips and tricks.

Speaker 1 26:39

Oh, I am. I don't want to see anyone hurt. So you know history of violence. That's a red flag, lack of empathy. Yeah, that's fucked up Past criminal activity. I mean that's a given right.

Speaker 2 26:54

I know you don't care about the law.

Speaker 1 26:57

Right, yeah, if you don't care that person, that's a red flag. Behavioral changes like sudden, insignificant changes in like behavior, mood or personality. Someone's like kind of unpredictable, yeah that's a red flag. Um, like a deep fascination with like weapons or violence yeah um isolation, or they're alienating themselves? Um, maybe don't pursue them unless you know them, and you know like if they need help, obviously please help them. Um, substance abuse is a red flag and uh.

Speaker 1 27:37

Lastly, harming animals. A lot of serial killers do start off harming animals before they do proceed to harming people yeah, that's dark.

Speaker 2 27:47

I mean I wouldn't want to like. As much as I'm not an animal lover, I would never want to hurt an animal. That seems sad, right, and like empathetic, like as much as you won't be tough, and stuff like you definitely like, have some compassion when people are hurting exactly you know, even if it's not somebody that you're like a big fan of, you still like want to just be a human, be a good human right.

Speaker 1 28:11

My heart hurts, like when other people hurt yeah, for sure so how are we going to stay safe out there, guys? We are going to stay aware of our surroundings. Let's put the phone down when we're walking right, let's have our head on the swivel, be present in the moment. Pay attention to what's going on around you I know we're gonna avoid risky situations.

Speaker 1 28:31

So like, if it's dark out, maybe don't like walk alone. If, especially if you're a woman and um, avoid like poorly lit activities whenever I'm traveling and stuff like that, I always make sure I park my car under a street light or something like that. Don't ever park in the dark, um if that's a red flag, yeah don't do that um stay in like populated areas, right um stay connected, let a friend know where you are, or family members. Share your location with somebody that you trust.

Speaker 2 29:03

Well, I know some people when they're going to hook up after the apps or meet up with a new date they always text a friend Like, hey, I'm going here and I should be done and available.

Speaker 1 29:17

If you're not doing that, then please do.

Speaker 2 29:20

Yeah, start doing it.

Speaker 1 29:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2 29:21

I mean, I even think like even as a man?

Speaker 1 29:23

do you do that?

Speaker 2 29:25

No. Oh, you should, I mean I think I get asked to do it, but then you know how sometimes you're just like. I'm not going to always like remember.

Speaker 1 29:34

Oh my gosh, you're so risky. But yeah, stay connected, let people know where your whereabouts are. Self-defense and if someone does try to grab you, be loud. They don't want to deal with you if you're loud and hard to deal with? No, not at all. So be loud, don't just go Fight back. Fight back as best you can, because once they take you, your chances of survival drop significantly.

Speaker 2 30:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1 30:01

And trust your instincts. We've all heard of the sixth sense, right?

Speaker 2 30:06

Oh, I feel in that a lot this year, being like completely clear. Yeah, you get a bad vibe trusting my sixth sense is like been hitting it hard, like gut instinct, like just I don't know, just being a little bit more like insightful, intuitive, like you know how, when we were just younger we would just jump into the deep end.

Speaker 1 30:25

Oh yeah, well, be mindful If you are drinking alcohol your sixth sense is probably being hushed a bit.

Speaker 2 30:32

Oh yeah, it's dimmed a bit, so you need to be mindful of that.

Speaker 1 30:35

Be mindful when you're consuming alcohol.

Speaker 2 30:38

Oh, yeah, or even smoking pot.

Speaker 1 30:39

It's in a good spot. Oh yeah, or even smoking pot. Yeah, you know like you just never know right, um, and then like lastly, just make sure you do have your phone with you and that you can access emergency communication quickly if you need to and charge it.

Speaker 2 30:54

Yeah, don't let it die.

Speaker 1 30:55

Yeah, don't be like you your phone is always dead right like why is that I? I don't know it's like the add, but anyways, that was pretty good tips and tricks I know I like that your tips and tricks are related to the spooky season yeah, I mean, it's my favorite time of the year and I do like being a little spooked out I know you get off to like being scared now we did get some like we did do a Uh-huh, and this is something that I wanted to talk to you right now and see what you wanted to do.

Speaker 1 31:27

So, I asked our viewers on Instagram what they'd like to see in future episodes. And there's one that I really would like to do. Yeah, so local haunted places, oh fuck yes, please. I really want to Haunted hayride or know the places. Oh fuck, yes, please, I really want to Haunted hayride?

Speaker 2 31:45

No, like real.

Speaker 1 31:47

Not like a fake haunted hayride, like actual haunted spots in the area.

Speaker 2 31:54

Now we are in Pittsburgh. We're in Pittsburgh. It's a little spooky here.

Speaker 1 31:59

So I think in the next, within this month, we're going to go ahead and travel around to different locations. That are haunted. If you have a location that is known to be like haunted, please drop it below, because we might not be aware of it.

Speaker 2 32:15

Drop it in the comments.

Speaker 1 32:16

We want to make sure we can visit these locations.

Speaker 2 32:18

I know I'm excited to do it with you because most people I was friends with or would be connected with are like no, no, no, no, I'm too scared and I couldn't do it by myself. That would be, I'll do it with you. I'm a thrill seeker. You are my thrill seeker, baby girl.

Speaker 1 32:34

No, I missed you. You were in San Francisco. Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 2 32:42

Tell me what you did. Well, you know, you can't say san fran. The san franciscans will say no, san fran. That's an automatic no, no red flag that you are not from here and you don't. You just don't call it that it's so easy to just say san fran right, so what, what can I call it?

Music Festivals and Cali Sobriety

Speaker 2 32:55

you can call it sf, you can call it the city, you can call it san francisco, you just can't call it San Fran. Okay, I know, isn't that weird? Yeah, I don't understand it. I mean, I guess it's just like a thing, but it was for a design conference, silicon Valley Design Fair. I was asked to go. It was really a great experience to get back into design and, like, even though I didn't get to go to salone de mobile in milan this year, I did really still know a lot of these designer contacts from meeting them in milan and leave, like working in la. So it was just a great experience. And then actually connected with a friend that I knew he was there the same time and then we had gotten tickets.

Speaker 2 33:44

On sunday there was, like you know, really great music festival. Holy shit, kelly, I am like my mind is blown. This fucking music is not getting out of my fucking head. Like I'm just like constantly looking for rufus de sol, which is like this electronic dj and he'll like come in with like the nice voice, like all of them are european djs sets, but they have that electronic music that a lot of people were on molly and pot and just like they were. It was like a fucking festival. So like I can understand why people take drugs and go to these things, because the base is just so fucking loud Like I had to wear earplugs.

Speaker 1 34:28

Did you?

Speaker 2 34:29

Because it was just so intense.

Speaker 1 34:31

I mean.

Speaker 2 34:32

I could have handled it. But then you're like hearing would have been shot.

Speaker 1 34:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:35

So I was just like you know what, be proactive, wear the plugs. They have them there.

Speaker 1 34:40

I hate that. Wear the plugs, they have them there. I hate that you go to the club, you walk out and it's like you're underwater, like you can't recover, like your ears are just like oh my god, and you know it's so funny rufus, this soul.

Speaker 2 34:51

I don't know if I'm saying his name right, but that's one of the songs underwater, oh my gosh okay literally like I mean there is not only him we need to jam girl, like you would have fucking loved it. I could see you like a little buzzing, like maybe you're like a Red Bull vodka.

Speaker 1 35:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2 35:06

Maybe, like I mean, you know me, like I would love to be Cali sober, but I am really just staying clear of the pot.

Speaker 1 35:14

And we have gone over this Cali sober thing before, but why don't you explain it again?

Speaker 2 35:18

Yes, again, yes. So cali sober is basically you are completely clear of alcohol or drugs, but you mix in a little bit of pot and maybe mushrooms, like microdosing. I'm not really sure if it's mushrooms, but I know, like my definition of cali sober back in the day, like whenever I tried it when I was working with the trainer. He's like hey, the booze does not respond to you. You're holding water, you're not showing your abs, you're not getting as ripped. So I would rather you do Cali sober, which is just like the edibles or like a joint.

Speaker 2 36:07

But I guess, to be honest with you, like these people were just like jamming and like know, I don't think they really had a problem, because to go to this festival like you just spend five to like nine hundred dollars for a fucking ticket. After experiencing it I'm like, oh hell, yes, I will definitely be taking up the next opportunity. Any friends or any like music goers, we have this little posse, this crew that you have to meet sometime. They, they just like loved each other. They connected so well. It felt like a little like family, all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 36:29

I've never been to a music festival, except there's one that comes to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 36:33

I can't remember the name of it. Oh, was it? Warped Tour back in the day, warped Tour. I've been to Warped Tour.

Speaker 1 36:38

It was cute, it was fun, I mean, I was in high school.

Speaker 2 36:40

Katy Perry was there before she. She was there whenever she did. I kissed a girl and I liked it. 303. 303 was there when I went. 303 was fucking good, right, yeah, and it was awesome.

Speaker 1 36:53

And I remember you could go to the tents and meet the bands and the artists? Oh yes, and you could get them to sign your titties or your shirt yeah, your titties get a sharpie out, yeah for sure well, I mean, I definitely want to go back to like a music fest.

Speaker 2 37:11

If they have any opportunity we gotta go with. Mocktails are messy, you know, maybe interview some of the fucking artists or even the like concert goers, because that beat and dancing like we got at that daybreaker oh my gosh, yes it was something that just felt right, like my body was feeling it, like I'm now craving the beat, like with the music's loud enough, you don't need the booze.

Speaker 1 37:35

Yeah, no doubt you just get the vibration in your head.

Speaker 2 37:39

Oh my god, I felt totally like on another level and people were like what the fuck like, are you like?

Speaker 1 37:44

okay, I know people are like always I I've seen you get this way before and people are like, what is your friend on? And I'm like, oh, actually he's not on anything he's just and they don't understand. High on life baby yeah, well, you definitely have that cali glow going um. I miss living in san, in San Diego, all the time. I mean you pay for the sunshine out there, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 38:06

It's a California membership. That's what it is. They're so expensive.

Speaker 1 38:11

It's so expensive to live there. But it's a membership. It's a membership, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 38:14

I'm not kidding you, there's something about it.

Speaker 1 38:16

I love that.

Speaker 2 38:18

I know.

Speaker 1 38:18

Well, it was so nice seeing you today and catching up and talking about spooky things.

Speaker 2 38:26

It's so dark.

Speaker 1 38:27

Thank you for listening to Mocktails or Messy. This is Kelly Msgorski.

Speaker 2 38:33

And Ryan Frankovsky Cheers, cheers.