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Just as the"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2977.47,"endTime":2980.35,"body":"Survivor Tree is a symbol of"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2977.47,"endTime":2980.35,"body":"endurance and the spirit of"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2980.35,"endTime":2985.51,"body":"life, so are the four remaining"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2980.35,"endTime":2985.51,"body":"First 9/11 Survivor Trees, still"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2985.51,"endTime":2988.72,"body":"standing near City Hall and the"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2985.51,"endTime":2988.72,"body":"entrance to the Brooklyn Bridge."},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2989.71,"endTime":2993.04,"body":"To Bram and I and the others who"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2989.71,"endTime":2993.04,"body":"were part of their rescue, these"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2993.04,"endTime":2998.44,"body":"trees are symbols of something"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2993.04,"endTime":2998.44,"body":"extra - our human connection. I"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2998.44,"endTime":3000.99,"body":"want to take a minute to thank"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2998.44,"endTime":3000.99,"body":"all you tree lovers who listen"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3000.99,"endTime":3004.32,"body":"to the show today, especially to"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3000.99,"endTime":3004.32,"body":"the regular listeners who"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3004.32,"endTime":3008.85,"body":"followed our young podcast since"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3004.32,"endTime":3008.85,"body":"the start six weeks ago. You are"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3008.85,"endTime":3012.57,"body":"greatly appreciated, and I hope"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3008.85,"endTime":3012.57,"body":"to get to know you. An extra way"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3012.57,"endTime":3016.08,"body":"to connect is via Facebook,"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3012.57,"endTime":3016.08,"body":"Instagram or Twitter to see"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3016.08,"endTime":3019.02,"body":"photos of the trees we talked"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3016.08,"endTime":3019.02,"body":"about and get regular updates."},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3019.38,"endTime":3023.91,"body":"You can also visit the website"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3019.38,"endTime":3023.91,"body":"at thisoldtree.show. One thing"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3023.91,"endTime":3026.67,"body":"you can do to support the show"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3023.91,"endTime":3026.67,"body":"is hit your subscribe button on"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3026.67,"endTime":3030.54,"body":"your podcast app when you're"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3026.67,"endTime":3030.54,"body":"done listening. There isn't a"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3030.54,"endTime":3033.42,"body":"Tree Story Short again this"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3030.54,"endTime":3033.42,"body":"week, but don't be afraid to"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3033.42,"endTime":3036.78,"body":"tell us your personal tree"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3033.42,"endTime":3036.78,"body":"story, which you can record just"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3036.78,"endTime":3040.08,"body":"by using the memo app on your"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3036.78,"endTime":3040.08,"body":"phone. It should be one to three"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3040.08,"endTime":3043.23,"body":"minutes long. Instructions are"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3040.08,"endTime":3043.23,"body":"in the show notes on where to"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3043.23,"endTime":3046.98,"body":"email it. Finally, here's"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3043.23,"endTime":3046.98,"body":"arborist and songwriter Dee Lee"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":3046.98,"endTime":3048.51,"body":"to take us out with his music."},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3050.34,"endTime":3055.47,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3050.34,"endTime":3055.47,"body":"old tree, standing here for more"},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3055.47,"endTime":3061.65,"body":"than four centuries. I wonder"},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3055.47,"endTime":3061.65,"body":"what you'd say if you could talk"},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3061.65,"endTime":3070.89,"body":"to me about what it's like to"},{"speaker":"This Old Tree song - Dee Lee","startTime":3061.65,"endTime":3070.89,"body":"be, this old tree. 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