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And he did offer, he said"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2814.61,"endTime":2817.82,"body":"\"It's hard to get,\" he said."},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2818.45,"endTime":2819.47,"body":"I imagine so!"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2819.0,"endTime":2824.07,"body":"So how are you"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2819.0,"endTime":2824.07,"body":"going to get bear spit? Well, it"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2824.07,"endTime":2827.01,"body":"turns out, I wasn't up in"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2824.07,"endTime":2827.01,"body":"Humboldt County when this"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2827.01,"endTime":2832.26,"body":"discussion was going on about"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2827.01,"endTime":2832.26,"body":"what to do. 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It sounds so foreign."},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2943.36,"endTime":2945.49,"body":"I'd spit out the"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2943.36,"endTime":2945.49,"body":"celery after having chocolate"},{"speaker":"Doug Still","startTime":2945.49,"endTime":2946.33,"body":"chip cookies too!"},{"speaker":"Dennis Yniguez","startTime":2946.33,"endTime":2947.74,"body":"[laughs] Sure."},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2949.04,"endTime":2951.2,"body":"I think part"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2949.04,"endTime":2951.2,"body":"of the whole mystique of this"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2951.2,"endTime":2957.86,"body":"whole story is that, I'm a"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2951.2,"endTime":2957.86,"body":"mathematics professor, you know?"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2958.04,"endTime":2961.4,"body":"Taking care of a tree especially"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2958.04,"endTime":2961.4,"body":"like this is not part of"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2961.85,"endTime":2965.87,"body":"training. [Doug laughs] I'm a"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2961.85,"endTime":2965.87,"body":"scientist, you know? And here I"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2965.87,"endTime":2970.22,"body":"am using bear saliva and clay to"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2965.87,"endTime":2970.22,"body":"heal a tree. You know, how did"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2970.22,"endTime":2973.94,"body":"it how did this all happen? And"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2970.22,"endTime":2973.94,"body":"one side of me says, \"Stuart,"},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2974.39,"endTime":2978.83,"body":"you don't believe any of this.\""},{"speaker":"Stuart Moskowitz","startTime":2974.39,"endTime":2978.83,"body":"But then, it's happening. 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