Winners Make The Most Mistakes (Part 3) with Coach Dave Moore

On our final episode of "Winners make the most mistakes," we interview coach Dave Moore from the University of West Georgia. Coach Moore has served as a coach for over 25 years and knows the inner workings of mistakes and how to overcome them. 

He has coached dozens of players that have been signed to professional contracts, including NBA players. However, all those players as well as their teammates, coaching staff, and organizational staff members weren't perfect. Mistakes happened. Lessons were learned. People then flourished. 

If you are someone who's been in fear of making mistakes, this episode is for you. Coach Moore does a great job explaining why mistakes happen but also what the benefit is from making a mistake. He goes into great detail on how to overcome mistakes but yet defines why people who initially try things are the true winners, even though they know mistakes will happen. 

Please tune in to this episode from a great coach to learn why it's ok to make mistakes. All winners make mistakes!

Thanks and enjoy!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Are you looking to get an edge in life but haven't been able to figure it out? Welcome to 10 to win, the podcast posted by Kevin's title and column. About 10 minutes of your time and we'll show you how to create a winning mindset.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Welcome back to 10 to Win the Podcast, the podcast focusing on how to create a winning mindset in 10 minutes. Today we want to continue that discussion, and we have a great guest to talk about winners and mistakes. Kevin, who's here with us?

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Jason, today, Coach Dave Moore, the head men's basketball coach from the University of West Georgia, is here with us. Dave's West Georgia basketball team just came off an NCAA tournament appearance this year where they were the five seed in the South Region NCAA Division II tournament. They won their first round game and then fell short in the second round where they had to play the number one team in the country. Dave has 20 years of experience as an assistant coach in NCAA Divisions I, II, and III basketball, as well as a short stint at the NAIA level. He previously was the assistant coach at St. Bonaventure, where the Bonnies won uh over 18 games each season. Coach Moore was there as an assistant. They had multiple NCAA tournament tourney runs, and Coach Moore was responsible for uh successful player development, and he helped guide, has helped guide 24 players to sign professional contracts. NBA players, guys going overseas, all over the place. Um NCAA awards, NIT, conference championships, you name it. This guy's done it. Coach, thanks for joining us tonight. How's it going, buddy?

SPEAKER_03 1:50

It's going great, Kevin. It's great to be with you guys. Yeah, thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

So, Dave, all week long, Jason and I have been talking about uh making mistakes, and this all stems from uh research that I was doing, and I saw something on Twitter that John Wooden said, uh, where he has a famous quote, winners make the most mistakes. And I think what Wooden is going here uh with is you know referencing that that people fear making mistakes and they fear messing up or falling short. And I think that in reality, mistakes come from from doing the thing, doing the action. You have to be playing the game to be able to win, but with playing that game comes with making mistakes. And if you're afraid to get off the bench in the game of life because you're gonna make a mistake, you know, what are we doing? Right. So uh coach, what do you what do you think about all this? What Wooden had to say.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Well, uh you know, I love Coach Wooden. I've read a lot of his books. Um I when my dad passed, we actually dug out a an old clinic brochure where my dad was the the first speaker at a clinic that John Wooden was the keynote speaker at, um, which was really cool. Yeah, um, you know, so I I read all his books. I love his wisdom. Um, he really has a a great way of putting things in perspective. Um, you know, and and winners, you know, winners are not afraid to fail. You know, winners are gonna fail, you're gonna fail all the time. Uh like you said, um, you know, people that are doers are gonna fail um at times, you know, and it's it's really how you respond to that failure um that's gonna determine your success. Um, you know, and I I think that's what Coach Wooden was getting to. You know, you're you're gonna go through adversity in your life, you're gonna fail. You know, Michael Jordan talks all the time about you know how many shots he missed, and you know, we we we see all the the buzzer beaters and the clutch shots that he made, but uh he also missed hundreds of those shots. Um, you know, and the I think the message to that is you can't be afraid to take those shots. Um, you know, you're gonna fail, you're you're gonna make mistakes, um, you know, how you respond to that failure, how you react, how you respond to adversity is really everything in life, you know, not just in basketball or in sport. Um, you know, you're gonna get knocked on your butt in life all the time, uh, over and over again. It's it's how you respond to that adversity. And, you know, we we kind of as coaches translate that to our players on the on the playing court. You know, you're gonna make mistakes, you you're gonna they're gonna hit adversity, it's not a perfect world. You know, how you respond to that is really, really critical.

SPEAKER_04 4:33

Yeah, I I love that part about how you respond. I think that is the key factor here because if someone is willing to get up off the couch and take a leap of faith and and try something, right? But then they fail or they have a mistake, which is what we're talking about this week, it is all about how you respond to that. Because the people who will never pursue anything else in life will say, I'm all right, that was enough, I'm done. That mistake, that that I can't I can't do that again, right? When you mention a number of names, such as Michael Jordan. I mean, how many shots did he miss before he was like, I don't care, I'm gonna still do this, I'm gonna make this shot, and then he did, and he did, and he did, and he did. It was because he wasn't afraid to step up to the plate and do those things. So I love that part about how you respond to failure and adversity. I kind of want to ask you this, Dave. I know the answer to this, but uh before I ask the question, uh there's a guy named LeBron James, think you've probably heard of him. Most people have. Oh, yeah. He used to and he still does, um, for the most part, he he tweets and posts things that have the hashtag strive for perfection. Okay. And and I think that should be a motto in in our lives, strive for perfection. It's unlikely that any of us will ever be perfect, but we should strive for it. And so my question is this have you ever had a team in a game that actually played a perfect game? And what would you say if they did? I mean, wouldn't that be sweet? But go ahead. Have you ever had one of those before?

SPEAKER_03 6:05

Yeah, no, I no. The answer, the quick answer is no. I I've never been in a perfect game. There is no perfect games. Uh I've never coached a perfect game. I've never played a perfect game. Um, you know, my my the last game I coached at St. Bonaventure as an assistant, we beat UCLA in the NC tournament, um, or second to the last game uh that I coached at St. Bonaventure, lost to Florida the next the next game in the first round. But um, you know, that game was filled with mistakes. Uh our guys, you know, our best player didn't play well at all. Um, you know, our third best player played really well, had 30 points plus, and and really helped us win. But you know, St. Bonaventure has no business beating UCLA in the NCAA tournament. Uh, you know, we did that because our guys believed. Um, and when we had adversity, you know, when our best players were missing shots, missing shots, missing shots, you know, we had other guys step up, you know, and those guys responded to that adversity with toughness and grit and determination. Um, you know, and again, that's the key, you know, and and as LeBron says, I think this is a wooden, a wooden thing too. You know, if if you strive to be perfect along the way, you're gonna find excellence. Um, you know, you're not gonna get be perfect, but you know, you certainly can strive to be excellent, you know, and that's that's the goal for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

Let me let me quickly add this real quick, Dave. You know, we've seen coaches like Nick Saban come off the field and have just basically put a whooping, you know, on the next best team in in football. And from our view, from the outsiders and the commentators and everyone, there, man, that was as good of a game as you can possibly have. But Nick is still like, nope, you know, we we didn't do this well, and the guys didn't drink water well, you know, or whatever that is. And as a coach, let me ask you this do you find that even in those games where your team did extremely well, that you're still trying to pull out something for those those those kids, your players to learn, even if you are damn close on being perfect?

SPEAKER_03 8:09

Yeah, I think on really good teams, you know, really good teams like Alabama, you're gonna win a lot. Um, you're gonna win a lot of games. Coach Saban's won a lot of games, yeah. He's hit had great teams, national championship teams. Um, you know, but I I think as a player for the players, if a coach comes in after a big win, you know, uh and a dominating victory, let's say, um, and they put on the film and now we start looking at the negatives, the things that we could have done better, uh, the things that we need to do better if we want to get to that national championship and win. Um, you know, that's what makes great coaches great, you know, where they don't get too high on the wins or too low on the losses. It's okay, yep, we won the game. Um, now here's what we can do better. You know, we we did this wrong, we did that wrong, we can get better here in this area. Uh, we did this really well that we didn't do well the game before. You know, you're always learning. Uh you're learning from your losses, you're learning from your wins. Um and again, you're you're striving to find that excellence. Um, and Coach Saban's, you know, one of the best in the business at setting the standard. You know, this is who we are, this is how we're gonna play. This is what the expectations are if you're gonna play at Alabama. Um, you know, if you want to be average, go somewhere else. Um if you don't want to be special, go somewhere else. You know, this is the standard that it's gonna take for you to be here. Um and to me, you know, Alabama's a great example of that, but there's you know a bunch of great examples of that. And any good coach that has a successful program over a period of time, you know, I think has that quality that um, you know, win, lose, draw, we're gonna continue to get better, you know. And if we win 10 in a row, you know, there's some things that we can learn to continue to get better. Um, and striving for that excellence is really important. And you know, that the daily grind, and you hear you know, great talk coaches talk about the process, you know, and that's part of the process. You know, you win a game, you come in the next day. How can we be better? How can we continue to get better? Um, and that's what great teams have in common. They strive to get better every day, whether they're coming off a win or a loss or or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

I want to pull something out that you said that I think was interesting about the the UCLA St. Bonaventure win that you had, and where you said that your third best player played really well, and and that was probably the reason why you won the game, right? When you when you get guys who come out and shine, um that's what allows a team like St. Bonaventure to overcome the odds and beat a team that that's probably better than them on a lot of levels. And I think I think we can relate this to like a listener level, um because you know, let's face it, our listeners probably have all exhausted their uh NCAA eligible basketball eligibility, right? So they're looking for the life tidbit. But I mean, what do you what do you say to a kid who who you're like that was amazing? What you did out there was amazing today, and you can be like you can now do this forever. Like you should be able to be the best player, you don't have to be the third best player anymore. Like, how can you what do you say to a kid like that in that in those moments or the moments after something like that when you're trying to get them to realize, hey man, you are not the third best player on the team. You you can be the best. And and how could you relate that to someone who's just you know struggling in their life to find the the right balance in their daily grind and whatever it is that they're trying to accomplish and their regular life goals?

SPEAKER_03 12:04

Yeah, I mean, it's uh that that's a great that was a great story that what happened at against UCLA. Courtney Stocker was the guy that I'm talking about. Um Courtney was a was a junior college transfer for us to St. Bonaventure. And when he came to St. Bonaventure, first day of practice, he broke his foot of his junior year. Um, rehabbed, got back together, got got going again, came back first year or first day of practice, the second year broke the same foot, same injury, right? So, you know, two years in a row, back to back. This is a kid that we had high hopes for, was a great scorer at Allen Community College in Kansas, um, a guy that could really have helped us those two years, didn't play the whole whole year. Um so we missed back-to-back years with a foot injury. So now he comes in, gets healthy that year in 2017-18. Uh, was not even a starter at the beginning of the year. We beat Maryland. Courtney came off the bench uh early in that year, uh, hit the actually hit the game winning shot against Maryland that that day. Um But we were getting ready, we were shooting around before the UCLA game in UD Arena, and one of my favorite places in the world, UD Arena 14,000. And my dad used to take me to you know district tournament games at UD. So, you know, now all of a sudden I'm coaching against UCLA here uh in UD Arena, which was really special. But I I can vividly remember talking to Courtney uh before the game. And I try to talk to all the guys before the game, just give them a little something to take to court with and uh think about. Um, you know, Courtney's was, hey, you know, the good Lord put you here for a reason. You know, if he'd have been healthy those two years, he was a junior college player, he wouldn't even be playing in that scheme. He wouldn't have been playing it against UCLA. You know, if he if he his eligibility would have been up, um God put him there for a reason, you know, and he went and got 30 and 10 uh against UCLA and now is still playing overseas, uh playing in Germany, competing for a championship right now with his club. And um when he got to Germany, uh they found a uh they found an issue with his with his one of his valves and his heart and had to have open heart surgery and is now back from open heart surgery, right? So when you talk about real life, it doesn't get more real life than open heart surgery. Yeah. Um, you know, so this kid's overcome, you know, two broke consecutive broken feet, uh, open heart surgery, and is still on the ascend of his professional career. You know, so talk about responding to adversity. And you know, there were days that Courtney wanted to quit where he wanted to walk away from it. Um, you know, and he didn't. He kept working, he kept persevering, he kept trusting the process that that one day he was going to be able to do it, and now he's on this stage in the NCA tournament against UCLA, and we really needed him to be great, and he was. Um, and that's a moment in time that him and his family, you know, you can't take that away from him. You know, he'll always have that uh as a source of, you know, hey, I can do it. You know, I can overcome anything. If I can overcome that, I can overcome anything. Um, you know, and I I think that's the message in life is, you know, again, you know, Kevin, you know me and uh my family and my story, and you know, life's hard, man. You know, life can be hard at times. I got a beautiful family and two beautiful kids, and I'm so blessed with the life that I have now. But, you know, life's hard. You know, I lost my parents 13 months um consecutively. My mom died, and then my dad died 13 months later. That's hard. You know, that's that's hard, you know. So, you know, the lessons that I learned as a young guy, you know, playing for my dad, and you know, the lessons that you learn from all the good coaches that you play for, you know, when you get knocked down, good players, players with character, people with character, they get back up uh and they keep fighting and they keep persevering. Um, and that's what life's all about, you know, responding to adversity and continue to push forward and have a vision for yourself of what you can be uh and what you want to be. Uh and you know, anything can happen if you're willing to put in the work. And that's you know, the thing that my parents taught me is if you're you can be anything anything you want to be, if you're willing to sacrifice and put in the work. And uh that's what Courtney did. Um, and it's such a special story, he's one of my favorite guys of all time. Um, you know, but there's a lot of stories like that. The message is that, you know, life is hard, it's not a perfect world, as I learned in the car business. Uh life's not gonna be perfect all the time. Uh, you know, but you got to keep getting getting yourself up, persevering and pushing forward. And and if you do that enough times, good things are gonna happen for you.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Yeah, no doubt. Jason and I talked about this a couple weeks ago. Um, and I think what you said, you know, God put you here for a reason, sort of a thing, which was what we got the conversation we got into was every choice that you have made in your life has brought you to the point that you're at right now, right? And and and maybe, maybe that's a good thing, or maybe it's a bad thing. And if it's a bad thing, it's not too late to start making different choices. And and those choices are you know, push yourself to get up early or or do the workout or shoot a thousand jump shots. Just because you didn't do it yesterday doesn't mean you can't do it today or tomorrow or whatever, you know. And yeah, you know, all these choices have brought you to to exactly where you are. Um and and and all along the way, you thought that those choices were the right choice, right? I mean, you no one is no one is openly choosing between two things, be like, yeah, yeah, choice A is the good choice and choice B is the bad one. I'm gonna go with B, right? And then nobody's doing that, and so it's brought you all here, and so you know, I don't know. It's it's it's good. I I like the the that I mean that's a great story, but I like the God God put you here for a reason sort of a thing, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yeah, yeah, and you know, sometimes with players, that's what you know, just one phrase, couple words of encouragement can mean all the difference to put them in the right mindset, you know, to play and and get the most out of their themselves and their abilities, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:19

What what I really liked about what you said there, Dave, was uh is really the crux of this entire podcast and the essence of why we did it, which is when you run into difficulty, how do you respond to it? Like winners, like getting on that winning mindset path, winners don't quit. Right? Winners, when they're faced with that stuff, whether it's a mistake, which we're talking about this week, or just some crazy act of whatever that happened to your player with two broken foots and open heart surgery and all of these things, when you're faced with those hardships, it's how you respond. And once again, I really believe that's kind of what Kevin and I are trying to instill in the listeners as we move forward with this podcast is if you want to be on a winning mindset path, these are the things that you have to do. You can't give up in the face of difficulty. Great answer there, Dave. But as as we move forward with here, let me let me ask you this. We know that mistakes are inevitable. We know that for all of us, whether it's in our jobs, our family life, uh, being within the sports world and coaching and your players, we are going to make mistakes. But uh how many mistakes is too many, uh Dave? Like, where do you draw the line, okay, between keep moving forward and persevering and and still going after that goal, or should you just simply give up? And that's not what this is about. But Kevin and I have talked about the idea that it is okay at some point in time to make the decision that something just may not be right for you, okay, and and to go down a different path. That doesn't necessarily mean you're giving up. Yeah, but I think a lot of people want to give up when they're faced with their first mistake. So where do you draw the line at one mistake, five mistakes, ten mistakes before maybe you give up, or maybe you say this isn't for you versus persevering on?

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Yeah, uh, that's a hard, that's a hard question. Uh, you know, I think it's different for everybody. You know, my old boss at St. Bonimetra, Mark Schmidt, used to say, you know, when you when you get knocked down, you got two choices. You can lay in the fetal position uh and cry about it, or you can get up and fight. Um, you know, and and I, you know, that's it, that's a simple saying, but you know, it's it's true. You know, when I I think an important piece of that is a vision. You have to have a vision of where you're going and what the end is. You know, what do you what are you putting all this work in for? You know, what's the vision? You know, we do that in recruiting all the time. You know, our job as a college coach is to project what they can be. You know, they're this type of player at 18 years old. What are they gonna be at 22, 23 years old? You know, and and have set that vision for them. This is what you can be if you're willing to sacrifice, put in the work, do the do the work every day, be consistent, be disciplined, all that stuff, you know. So um, you know, you you have to have to me, you have to have a vision what you're striving for. There's gonna be good days, there's gonna be bad days. Um, there's gonna be days where you're questioning, you know, am I doing the right thing? Um, you know, am I going for the right goal? Um, you know, I can remember, you know, I loved baseball when I was young. Um, I loved the camaraderie, I love the dugout. I uh, you know, I was a pretty good player as a you know middle schooler. But when they started throwing his curveballs at me, man, uh, you know, I was not a good player. Uh I couldn't hit it like my brother could hit it. And uh that was not gonna be my sport, you know, and then that was a tough decision to say, hey, you know, I need to concentrate on basketball, I need to concentrate on football. Those are the things that I can that I can be better at. And you know, I want to be a college player. What can I, you know, which one should I pick to to go be a college player? You know, and I certainly wasn't running any uh 4440s um out there as a as a high school DB. So basketball turned into my, you know, what I had a passion about and what I had a vision for myself for. And, you know, I I would have never been a college basketball player if Mike Price at Oak Hills High School didn't tell me that he thought I could be one. I remember sitting in his office as a junior going into my senior year and him sitting me down saying David, I I think you can be a college player. I think you're good enough to play on a college level and get a scholarship. And I had never had anybody tell me that before. So that was a huge piece to the puzzle. You know, like my brother didn't play in college, my sister didn't play in college. They were both very good athletes in in high school. But I I wasn't looking to be a college player up until that point. But once he said that to me, you know, that flipped the switch for me like, oh yeah, if he thinks I can do it and he's had a lot of college guys, then, you know, now that set my path that that was a moment in time that really set my path towards the college level and doing it at the highest level that I could possibly do it at. So you know that vision of what you can be and having people believe in you and tell you that you can do it and you can accomplish it, but this is the plan. This is what you have to do to go get that done and it's going to be filled with mistakes. You know, I think that's important. You know how many mistakes is too many that that's hard to say. You know I think that's that's situational there, you know, but um you know one thing's for certain that there's going to be a lot of mistakes there's going to be a lot of bumps in the road as we say you know and how you respond to those bumps in the road you know my that's a phrase my brother loves to use and and Kevin knows my brother has had a lot of bumps in the road uh in his life you know as we all have you know but um you know just going back to what we started with you know how you how you respond to those bumps how you respond to those mistakes is everything in life totally that's it so let's let's put the focus on you Dave what uh what sort of mistakes have you made and they this could these could be basketball related or or not I mean what sort of stuff do have has gone on right I mean you're a really really successful college basketball coach and you you mentioned hard life you mentioned bumps in the road right but I mean what sort of things you know I mean the the whole the whole point of this winners make mistakes I mean what kind of mistakes did you make that you learned from that you picked yourself up from and said I'm that's not gonna happen again or I'm gonna be better from this yeah I I think the the the things that I've learned the most since I've become a head coach um is you know one there's way more than one way to skin a cat you know there you can be successful in basketball playing all kinds of different styles half court full court pressing team Princeton team whatever whatever you want to do it all can work you got to be committed to it um you know but it all can work the things I've learned the most since I've been a head coach is you know one which Schmidt used to say all the time in St. Bonaventure it's all about the players the X and O's are important um it's about 10% of the game the rest of it is your heart your guts your grit your determination your toughness that's the game uh in whatever sport you're playing um you know and then the other thing that that I've come to realize as a head coach that we've had bumps in the road with is chemistry is so so important when you're in a good league everybody is good everybody has a good coach everybody's got talented players everybody is good right so what is gonna set your set you apart from those other good teams it's the chemistry it's the togetherness it's the connectedness in team sports that you get right so the the personnel the chemistry how the personnel fits together is really really important to winning um you know we were we were nine and 19 my second year here at West Georgia had a good first year had a had the player of the year had an all-American that was really good helped us win games uh the next year he graduated you know had a brought in our big recruiting class I think we brought in six guys um and they were talented guys and we were more talented that second year than we were the first year that we won 17 games had a pretty good year had a winning record in the league all that stuff and we went nine and 19 because we had no chemistry uh we didn't have guys pulling together we didn't have guys fighting for each other we had guys fighting with each other um our best player didn't want to play hard um you know all that stuff so you know it got to the point where our best player was such a distraction that I had to let him go you know I had to fire my best player my leading scorer my leading rebounder he had to go because you know we were trying to build the program here on heart and toughness and togetherness and grit and determination and all that stuff and he was not helping us move it in that direction right so that was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make as a coach was to let him go in the middle of the year uh and start a freshman in his place. You know so that was a tough year. And then transitioning into year three there was pressure on me. You know you know we just went nine and 19 I was brought in here to turn the program around you know and then we start one in five that next year one in five um and now I'm thinking oh holy moly I just moved my family down here and I'm gonna get fired.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

And gave up a great job at St.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Bonaventure NSA term and I walked away from a great job. I love my boss I had a great boss to work for we were doing it you know and I'm down here thinking holy moly what did I do and that third year it was COVID right so you know we started practice later and um it was January we were getting ready to play a league game and my captain my point guard and I get into it in practice he doesn't like what I say this and that led to one thing led to another he walks out of practice. So the year before I fired my best player now my point guard who was one of my best players walks off the court in practice and quits right so I'm thinking man and we're one in five right so he comes he he calls me coach I'm sorry he comes back in the office coach that's not me I'm sorry I I'm all on board I'm all with you so we go that next game I bring him off the bench and we lose that game to the worst team in the league so now we're one in six right and you're three right but we we played better we had better chemistry and all of a sudden practice you know we started practicing better the switch flipped my point guard was was my quarterback now he was all on board with what we were doing we win 10 straight games in a covet shortened year get a get an NC tournament bid um and we've been pretty darn good ever since um you know so it's you learned the lesson team yeah yeah that you know and I think that incident with the point guard who was a great kid um made us better you know it it it focused us like we need to quit messing around here all get on the same page and if we all get on the same page we can be pretty darn good and as we started winning they started believing in that and the chemistry came together the belief was there and now you start winning close games and now it just keeps it keeps snowballing into a positive deal and now you know we get to the end of the year and and we're pretty darn good beat Baldasta State on their home court in the first round of the NSA tournament um you know turned into a one of those special years um you know so a year that really you know two year two into year three was as bad as it could be and now it's you know because of the chemistry piece because of the you know not sacrificing what I believe what we believe we need to be you know life's too short to coach players that don't want to play hard yeah totally um so you know so that was my deal I really like that that story Dave and I think we can we can close up close to this too but so that that kid that point guard made he made a mistake right he gets into it with you he leaves practice and then he comes back and is like hey I'm really sorry yo what do you tell a a young a young kid like that you know who hey you've you have made a mistake but it is not the end of this relationship and we're gonna move forward and we're all gonna learn from it I mean what do you say to a kid in that instance I that I think the listeners could probably learn from well the first thing I told him was I love him you know and we need him uh but this is what we need from you you know you may have a certain vision of what you want to be but this is what we need from you uh as the quarterback of our team you know um and the point guard you know that's a Schmidty phrase too the point guard is the quarterback um of the team in basketball you know so he bought into that you know where he was doing you know trying to be Allen Iverson scoring the ball all the time we needed some of that but we needed him to be a distributor we needed him to be a scrappy defender we needed him to you know stop turning the ball over and transition um and that was kind of the source of the argument that led to him walking out but um you know it ended up being the best thing for us you know because we as a team responded to that adversity uh and he knew that I cared about him and he knew that I wanted the best for him as a player and that we as a group were going to help him get there with his goals and everything that he wanted to do by accomplishing the team goals. You know nobody becomes all league on a bad team you know you're not gonna be an all-league player on a you know a 5 and 20 team um you know you got to have some team success in order to have some individual success uh and and those guys started to buy into that and it wasn't about all about them it was about us and when it becomes about us now in the team sport you can do special things such good stuff man I mean we're 31 minutes into this and this has been amazing I mean really really good advice here and so I'll I'll throw it back to you Dave for your final thoughts anything else that you want to throw out at the listeners you know we're talking about winners make mistakes this week any final thoughts on that title yeah I think it you know to the young coaches out there maybe there's some young coaches some aspiring young coaches where when I you know I was a a guy that you know I was a division three assistant for twenty two hundred bucks a year I was you know I was a graduate assistant at division two level for a $4,000 stipend you know my friends like Scott Steile Kevin's brother was was making some money and had money in their pocket and I I you know I wasn't I didn't have that you know and when I got out of grad school I I I was selling cars Mike Kelsey gave me a job helped me put some money in my pocket gave me a car to drive and um you know I didn't really know where it was all going to go um but I kept putting in the work you know and I I kept trying to build relationships um you know and Wally Vickers gave me a job at Lakota East and kind of got me back in the business um and then Chris Mack you know I was working camp at Xavier in the summer times and Chris Mack was an assistant there for Sean Miller and helped me get my my first division one job and um you know just staying at it you know you got to stay at it you're gonna make mistakes there's gonna be times where you're like man this is not gonna happen you know my dreams are not gonna happen you know and I wanted to be a college coach since I was 14 years old you know and there were times where I was like man this isn't gonna happen you know like I need some money man uh you know and uh there was times where it was bleak you know and I I wasn't positive about it but you know you continue to build relationships you continue to put into work and and good things are gonna happen for you um and then once you get your opportunity you know you got to make the most of it you know when that door opened at Robert Morris and Mark Schmidt gave me a job at Division I level making you know 24 grand a year at two two different jobs I was the third assistant and the director of basketball operations for for 24 grand um you know that was my chance and I'm I felt like I made the most of my chance and I was the first guy in the office and the last guy to leave and and put everything I had into it and um you know ended up turning this thing into a career where I could make money and support my family. And um you know I tell my camps all the time you know basketball's given me everything the car I drive the house I live in I met my wife at a game you know basketball has been great to me and and I'm trying to give back to it every day with hard work and dedication to our guys. And um you know I think that's what life's all about. You know you're gonna make mistakes you're gonna have bad days but um you know every day's a new day you know and you're in charge of your attitude and your effort and your focus and how much you pour into things and um you know I think that's what life's all about.

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Such stuff there man that's good that's a way to wrap it up really good.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Appreciate you guys man well that's it buddy I I couldn't say it any better Jason that's a wrap on uh part three winners make the most mistakes thank you very much Coach Dave Moore for uh coming on the show Dave where where can all the listeners uh pick up West Georgia basketball for those looking to follow you and your team's success in the future wgathletics.com there you goathletics.com for all your wolves sports check out the wolves sports and and uh give them a follow and make sure you subscribe to the podcast rate and review it that helps get it to more motivated listeners trying to create a winning mindset so as always if you're impacting or influencing one person a day it is worth it everyone has 10 minutes to learn a winning mindset thanks a lot coach appreciate you guys thanks for taking the time to create a winning mindset remember we'll release a new episode every Monday so be sure to start your week off right by listening to 10 to win please subscribe like comment and share our podcast and remember if you're impacting or influencing one person a day it's worth it everyone has 10 minutes to create a winning mindset