How A Therapist Writes Horror With Purpose

We sit down with therapist and author Geletta Shavers to unpack the real emotions and ethical choices behind her Dragged Into Darkness books. We talk horror, trauma, bullying, manipulation, and how indie publishing lets her protect her voice while building a supportive author community. 
• how a mental health background shapes writing and boundaries around trauma 
• what inspires Jasmine’s vengeance arc without depicting sexual assault 
• why the victims face a 30-day countdown and what that choice signals 
• how the series shifts from horror into psychological thriller territory 
• Michael’s obsession, trauma, and the mental health lens behind his behaviour 
• the planned future of the series including Joe Evil’s origin and the mother’s final spotlight 
• why we choose indie publishing and what we learn about trust, editing, and logistics 
• how beta readers and ARC readers strengthen the bullying backstory and character motives 
• what Geletta Shavers is building next including The Black Castle horror concept 

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Welcome And Trigger Warnings

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Hey y'all, hey, you are watching and listening to Lex Between the Lines, where I am your host, Lex. For the most part, I try to stay in between the lines, but today I am going ahead. I'm going to go ahead and give you some trigger warnings because the books that we're going to be talking about and the Arthur that we have here today, I have a lot of questions. And I already know. Oh my God. I'm so ready to get into it. I'm just going to let her introduce herself and then we're going to dive right on in.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Hello everyone. My name is Gilletta Shavers. I am mental health therapist and I am an author. I have been writing since I was a little girl. Writing has always been a way for me to escape. Maybe things that were not so good in my life, but also maybe like fairy tales, but not the fairy tales, usually not like the Cinderella fairy tales. But but yes, and I love to read.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah, I'm glad to have you. And look, because I was going, I was going to get to it, but since you introduced it, since you said your mental health, honey, I was going to ask you who couch do you be on? But it seems like the people be on your couch.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Ma'am, they do, they do. And of course, I but yes, I have been in therapy before. I believe everyone needs therapy, especially mental health professionals. Because we, as we are trying to help others go through their journeys of healing, a lot of times they can't have some counter-transference because some of the traumas that hit others has also happened in our lives as well. So we need an outlet also to

Therapist Turned Author Origin Story

SPEAKER_03 2:20

be able to process without giving information, of course. We would never ever divulge anyone's identity or anything like that. But we have to have our safe space as well. Wow. And writing for me to in a majority of my writing, something has happened in my life to like influence it.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

That was the that is one of my questions. Like, how has your real life experiences been incorporated or have they been incorporated into any of your stories? This one specific, dragged into darkness. I read I read book one and then I finished book two. And so it wasn't until I got to the it to the end and it gave your author's note and I seen mental health. And I said, How did she? I wonder if she weaved any of her experiences, because there is a lot going on.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Okay. So with Michael's story, there's nothing of me in that story. Nothing at all. But with the first book, with Jasmine's story, and you know, she was she was a mess. She was a mess. But some of the criminal things that she was doing, she was doing as vengeance. The people that she hurt, they deserved to get what they were getting from her, the torture and everything. And so someone close to me was uh sexually assaulted. And when I was writing that story, of course, I'd never I do not want to trigger anyone. So there's there's not a sexual assault in the story at all. It just mentions that her dad was hurting, you know, a little girl. So she went after all the pedophiles. And that's what I want to do to the, you know, the the uh two people that hurt my daughter. I wished I could do the things that Jasmine were doing to those people that she had them locked in cages and they know that they knew they were going to die in 30 days of the horrific death that she had for them. So, yes, that was my way of getting all the anger and the hurt out for the person that was close to me.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Was there a significance with the 30 days that she kept because she only kept them for 30 days? Was there a significance with the 30 days? Was that they're like, well, they knew they were doomed in 30 days, but was there like time for them to reflect? Like, what was the purpose of the 30 days instead of just go ahead and getting it over with?

SPEAKER_03 5:05

Just torture. The significance is is just torture. The most calendar days are 30 days, so they know they have a calendar month to live. Now, whether they reflect on that, that's on them. Jasmine didn't care. Jasmine wanted them to be locked up, you know, and you know, they weren't just locked up in cages, there were other things going on with them while they were in the cages as well. So she wanted them to suffer for 30 days. And when their 30 days were up, when they were killed, uh, they were killed in front of everybody so they could know what to expect when their 30 days are up. And you know, that's that's that's their consequences for doing what they did for little children, being pedophiles.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Cool child. And the way that they were called, they had once they swiped their license, is that how she called all of them?

SPEAKER_03 6:06

Yes. So whenever they went into her restaurant, uh lounge and little casino, everyone has to show their ID, whether you're drinking or not, you have to show your ID. And when you put your ID up under, I said show, you have to scan your ID. And when you put your ID under the scanner, if you have, if you like out on probation, or if you have a history, if you've been legally sentenced or anything like that that have to do with child sexual abuse, well, assault, sexual assault, I'm sorry, it would flag it. And that's how she got you. She just didn't have men, she had women as well.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Lord, and then we knew her mom was in the nursing home, but we can't say too much, right? Yeah but I was sure looking for I was looking for her like throughout the book. I don't know why I wanted more mama because mama seemed like she was a G.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Mother, she was not really a heavy hitter in the book. I just mentioned her briefly because she came home and her and Jasmine made the decision to sign the contract and everything together. And we just I just put the mother in there spirit spare sparingly.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yes, but that part that you put in when she came in the room and the mom kind of knew her mannerisms and knew something was wrong, and just from that dialogue that she had with her, I was like, Why do I want more of mom? Like, mama seemed like she was like the at the like she ran stuff because she was like, Don't tell me that you you so the mother was running things or helping her to run things, because the mother, you know, knew about her illegal activities.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

The mother until the mother started getting sick, and the mother, because you know, the house that Erica lived in with all the road, the rose bushes and things like that, that was the mother's home. That was Jasmine. I mean, that was um, yeah, Jasmine's childhood home and everything. But the mother couldn't continue living there, and the mother didn't want to live with Jasmine and her family. So she just went to a very nice assistant living, so not nursing home, but assistant living facility.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Yes, because nursing home, that's where the older people go with honey. That's another okay. So what drew you? So is this considered like a thriller horror or a horror? How did how did you classify that?

SPEAKER_03 9:01

The first one is a horror, but the second one it's more of a psychological thriller because it has a manipulation from mother in

Vengeance Writing Without Graphic Assault

SPEAKER_03 9:10

it and Michael, and it has like the supernatural horror aspects of it, but it scares the first one, it scared so many people that a lot of people didn't finish reading it because they were afraid like of the horror that I didn't want it to be as scary.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I ain't gonna lie. I was gonna I was getting today because honey, when I tell you I had to watch cartoon, you know how they how you watch movies, and then you have to focus on something else to get your mind off of that. Yeah, but the way I pray and then how I read, I read at night because I work during the day, and so at night I I'm staying up late reading and stuff, so I may go to bed at like 12 or one o'clock, and so by the time I would finish reading, I would be up looking crazy because who child? I said, Is this my first intro into like horror?

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Because you've had horror before, haven't you?

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Not like this, no okay, so this was like my first little I guess this is my tiptoe honey. I went and I go into books blind, so I didn't know nothing about nothing. And so when I started reading it, I said, wait a minute, nah. What's going on here?

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Yeah. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Now, Michael, did I miss how how did how did they interact? Because how did he come so obsessed?

SPEAKER_03 10:52

With Erica?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Yes. In one, and yeah, because it went from one, and then that's how we got two, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Mm-hmm. Because he was mentioned in one. I mean, he he started out just being creepy, trying to talk to her, asking her out, and things like that, and he wasn't her type. I mean, Erica was in her early 20s, and he's in his early 30s, so he was too old for her, and Erica wasn't into white men. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, because Erica was white herself. I'm sorry. Erica was into a black man, and she she was in love with her boyfriend Drew, and she didn't really like Michael, so he was just obsessed with her, you know, looking at her every move, and you know, the way he was able to enter her house because he had binoculars looking at her whenever she came home, and he memorized her code, her door code to get in by looking through the binoculars. Yeah, he he was it was a hot miss.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Does does Michael has have a diagnosis or anything? Like, does he have somebody?

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Oh, I did not think about it because you know he does see a therapist in book two, but I would say if Michael had a diagnosis, it would probably be depression because of his life, a trauma uh from his life, and personality, I would say a personality disorder as well. But I'm not for sure what personality disorder I would put on Michael. Well, no, I wouldn't even say personality disorder, simply because Michael started changing throughout the book. And so, but definitely depression and trauma. And so, and he was just he was filled with hurt and anger, which led him to do a lot of the things that he did.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

And probably a few things was um passed down from his mom, too, huh?

SPEAKER_03 13:08

Oh, his mom was you you she had to be crazy. You hear more about her craziness and uh like a book coming in the future. But yeah, that that mama is loon, she's a lunatic.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

So, so did we just get a scoop that there's gonna be a book three?

SPEAKER_03 13:27

There will be a book three, and there will be a book four, and that would be the end of the series. So you'll get the origin of how Joe Evil became a demon. He didn't start out as a demon, you know, he was a young, handsome man and everything, but he did someone wrong, and she cursed him. You'd have to be careful who you mess with. She cursed him.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

I said, and at one point I was like, Joe should have been a little bit scared of Michael because after that first reaction, it was like Michael wasn't as scared like he should have been, like everybody else. I said, Joe should have been scared that Michael was gonna take his spot. What in the world?

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Joe is a G. You know, my a couple times Michael stood up to him, but uh Joe had to humble him really, really quick. So yeah. So toward the end, you know, I think Michael still feared him some, but nothing to the point as in the beginning, because Michael, every Michael would just shiver, you know, pee on himself whenever Joe comes in the room.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

And then he had the when he when he put his foot down to try and fight back, especially, and then I said a woman to make you do it or make you get do something with you, honey. You fall in love, and and you get a whiff of a good woman, they'll give you some uh balls of steel. That's right, that's right, let's see. That's right, because I don't know what India did to Michael, but he even started like even with mama, putting her in her place, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

And that was a long time coming, putting her in her place, but her name is pronounced India. A lot of people say India. I love Zendaya, so I named this character India. I'm glad you said okay, yeah. But everyone called her India, everyone called her India, but it's India.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Honey, yeah, Zendaya, India. Where I'm trying to think. The aunt, Kelly. Where did she get her money from?

SPEAKER_03 15:47

I'm trying to figure out. So that actually, I'm going to go back and I'm going to add that to the story. Just put a little paragraph in it. Because in my head, it just didn't get to the book. The aunt, she got her money from, you know, she's a retired physical therapist, but she she was married

The 30 Day Torture Logic

SPEAKER_03 16:10

at one point in time, and she got her money, lots of money, from when her husband passed away. So the money was starting to run dry. And of course, when Michael went in the Powerball, you know, it made the news and everything. So when he moved, and she was already on the penthouse floor, so you know she had money. And when he moved there, she just brought her. So I'm going back in, I'm fixing that.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Okay. When did book one publish?

SPEAKER_03 17:02

October 2025.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

October 2025, and then this one, and then part two. Book two came out this month on the 10th. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

April 10th. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

So we are in Indy Arthur. What made you go to Indy Arthur route?

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Well, honestly, I never thought of traditional publishing because I because I'm very busy as a mental health therapist. So I'm not trying to get an agent and all that. And plus, my writing is my writing. I don't want to have to change anything, you know, to meet the needs of others. I try to respect everyone, every culture, because as a therapist, as a social worker, we want to understand and respect, even if we don't agree with, we respect everyone. I don't want anyone turning my words around or telling me I can't write this or that. So I would like to be a well-known author, but I don't have to be in the traditional publishing arena for that. You know, I can be well-known as an indie author like Tanisha Stewart, like Octavia Grant, and still be able to keep my words and my meanings and not have to change it for no one.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

I know that's right. What has been your biggest lesson or on your journey? Or something that maybe you wish you had known before you before you started or along the way?

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Well, honestly, it's just who to trust. My first novel, The Inheritance of Amaya Montgomery, I had an editor who was retired, but who worked in the industry for years. And that editor did not do me justice. So I had to get the book re-edited. And so that was that was really difficult because there was money lost. And a few other things, when it's just when it just comes to the logistics, the starting like with the website and different things like that, I didn't know anything about that part. So a couple of times I was kind of taken advantage of.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

So when you did find your way or find the right people, how did you know or what did you know where to look for them?

SPEAKER_03 19:51

J.R. Mason. She had inboxed me. She was doing her and another lady, they used to do like a podcast. I think it was called The Lit Lounge. And she was looking for some therapists for a mental health month. I didn't make the cut because she never did ask me to do it. But we just started talking about other things. And then I was telling her about my, I don't even know how we came up on my website. And she was telling me, well, you know, it really should be done like this. And when I went back to talk to the people about it, it was just that they they were just not honorable. So I hired her to help me with like my book

Horror Versus Psychological Thriller Choices

SPEAKER_03 20:40

cover. Because people that did the website did the book cover, but like the lady didn't have a hand on the book, like in the book cover. It was just other things that was going on. And so she helped me with that. And then she introduced me to other people in her inner circle. So Tanisha Stewart is my editor, you know. JR Mason is my cover designer. She is my narrator for my audiobooks. And then just meeting other pen sisters that are uplifting and supportive, like she is, has helped a lot with my journey.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

So it's really important that you find the right community to join and get into.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

Yes. And I would say that to any inspiring author, you can't do it on your own. It has to be a community. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Goodness. So when Throwndi putting your ideas together for your book, for your books, did you have any community help? Or how did you develop the these these two booked dragons of darkness?

SPEAKER_03 21:52

No, no community help. The second book, I was I was really nervous. Because the first book did so well. And I started, I did like the first four chapters, and then I stopped for like a couple of weeks. And then I went back to it. And I just had four different scenarios. And then they just were not working. So I would just scratch those and then I put it down for four months. Now the cover of Drag into Darkness, Michael, was already completed before the book had got started. So, yes, J.R. Mason had already made the cover. So she would ask me periodically how it was going. I'm like, okay, you know it's going. And then finally, I can't remember. She asked me a specific question about it. So I had to tell her the truth. Like, girl, I put that book down like three, it wasn't it wasn't four months, it was three months. Girl, I put that book down three months ago. I said, because I just don't know where to go with it. And I told her I'm nervous. And I knew that the bullying aspect was going to be a part of it. But I really couldn't connect, you know, the bullying and contract killing. And she was saying, just focus more on the bullying. Don't have a bullying just being an afterthought. Focus more on the bullying. And that is what that's what influenced him to be to be the contract killer, you know, to be the killer that he is. So I went back and then I wrote the story when Michael was younger, and I added, you know, how his mother was treating him. So I added that to it. And then how, you know, in the scene when he was riding his bike and he waved at the he waved at some of the children, and only one person like waved at him, and you know, nobody else did, and no one offered to have him come play with him. So he just kept riding his bike. And then I built it up to what happened to him in elementary school, in middle school, in high school. So that was a big help when she told me to just focus more on the bullying instead of just saying he was bullied. So, and that's how I was able to develop the story.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

So you didn't use like any arc or any beta readers or any alpha readers?

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So sorry. That's the community you've meant. Yes, I had beta readers. I had three beta readers, and they gave me great suggestions. One suggestion was to talk more about, tell more of the story about how he was bullied. So before he killed everyone at the casino night, you know, he went to everyone. He went to each one of them, letting him, letting them know this is one of the things that you did to me.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

She said she wanted to know what for the the way he killed them, what did they do, you know, when they were bullying him? What after all these years, he still, you know, trauma, unless you, you know, his mother didn't take him to therapy. You know, trauma just builds and builds inside of you. It's not just in your brain, it's in your body as well. And after all these years, he hadn't addressed that. So he's still hey, he's still enraged and hurt about it. So that's why he felt so good after he made these particular kills. So, yes, the beta readers uh helped a lot. And the art readers, you know, they do their reviews and they

Michael’s Trauma Obsession And Diagnoses

SPEAKER_03 25:50

they give honest reviews, and I really appreciate that. They give honest reviews, they share it, they review on Goodreads at Amazon to help get the story out to other readers. So I really appreciate the beta readers and ARC readers more than I can even say.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Now, I know you said book one. Well, you said it, and I I could tell too when reading it, book one was a little bit more horror and scary than the first book. Was there any part in it that was hard to write?

SPEAKER_02 26:25

In book one? Uh-huh. Book two too, because there were some scenes I was just like.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

I can't think of anything that was difficult to write per se in book one. Because in book one, especially with Erica, not Erica, I'm sorry, Jasmine, I was able to release a lot of rage that I have within. Book two was a little difficult, which I already told you the first part that was difficult. But another part was the people who did like the horror, you know, they were wanting more horror. But I wanted to have some horror in it, but I didn't want it to scare people and people put it down. I know several friends couldn't finish it because it was like scary to them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

But did it scare you at any point to where you had to put it down and be like, Lord, I scared myself?

SPEAKER_03 27:33

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

What?

SPEAKER_03 27:36

No. No, I will say this. I was listening to some of the chapters that J.R. Mason sent to me in my car to approve them, and the the background sound effects and everything that she had kind of like made me jump a couple times, you know, because she really brought that book to life. But no, real life, because that can be real life, but yes, no, it's really difficult to really scare me. That's what I tell people in the interviews. Ever since I was a little girl, I guess it's just the way my brain is. I know that it's creative art. I know that it's not real. But like I don't really watch docuseries anymore because those things scare me. You know, some movies that are based in real life stories, you know, some of those scare me, but like this dragged into darkness is not based. It has a, I want readers to understand that it does have a purpose, meaning, you know, we can't run away from things that we've done. We need to be accountable. We take accountability, even if there's consequences that we are not going to like. We need to be accountable. There's no easy way out of anything. What's done in the darkness will always come to light. But but no, yeah. She said scary and horror things. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I'm side eyeing you. I am side eyeing you because she said, mm-mm. What? No. And I've heard Arthur say that you know, you hear the characters talking to you, or you know, they hear the character's voice. How do you disconnect from these characters?

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Or like, is this uh I don't hear the character's voice. I'm different. When I'm writing, it's I stop for a second and I actually just see it play out. So I I can hear them, I can see what they're doing, but they're not literally talking to me. So I guess I hadn't made it to that level yet. But they but I still have to disconnect. Like now, don't get me wrong. I said I'm not, it doesn't scare me or anything, but I do have uh in some instances, again, with uh Jasmine and what she was doing the pedophiles, you know, it's gonna bring up memories of my loved

Indie Publishing Control And Hard Lessons

SPEAKER_03 30:20

ones. So if I finish that story, I have to I have to like decompress by doing a mindfulness exercise or focusing on like a funny TikTok video or a funny YouTube video or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

And I was just gonna say, you still say you have like two more books, so you can't fully like check out of it because you're still like it's still ongoing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Yeah, it's still ongoing, but but I think the the first book that was if if we have to talk about emotional responses, that's the one that I had a few emotional responses with. The second book, I laughed at a lot of of my writing. Mother, oh my goodness, I just tried to make her as manipulative as possible. I was really, I was really trying.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

So you wrote the heck out of the mama story. Like, I can't wait to to I I'm honestly ready to read more about her.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

So her book would be the last book. It's going to be her and Joe Evil, because I mean she's not a demon, but that woman's just as evil as Joe Evil.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

I see why he picked her.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

That's why he picked her. That's why he picked her. So when he had Michael sign that contract, he already had all that, you know, planned out because he wanted to be a he had to marry someone that was more so, you know, like him, so he can uh live, you know, most days as a mortal person. But I mean, he's still gonna be like a shape shifter shifter. He's still gonna be a part demon. So, because you know it's part of his curse, but he can be human more so than being a demon. And he's gonna be bowing down to mother because the way the book ended, I think. Mother's not no joke. Mother's not everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people saying this should I had to go back and add some more scenes for Michael because everyone was saying this should be dragged into darkness, mother.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

I feel like I was watching somebody mama in the end. I was like, wait a minute, now like it was like you had to read it like this. Because I'm like, hold on, mama.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

She was fun to write. Now I was mad at her in the beginning with the way she treated him and things like that. So part so she got she was punished.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

She was punished for it. And who was these men that used to take mama underwear and stuff? Because we ain't gonna skate by that.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Take mama underwear? No, she was just oh lord.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

We're gonna go on a commercial break and then we'll be right back. Alrighty, we are back from commercial. We are going to see when are the next books set to come out? When should we expect book three?

SPEAKER_03 33:59

So, book three, which will be The Origin of Jovile, it will come out in about a year and a half.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Okay, a year and a half. Oh my gosh, we gotta wait a year and a half, and so you said, oh my god, and then mama book is going to come out uh after before we went on commercial. We were talking about mom's book.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

And so that one is going to come out after the year and a half, after the book four, and that'll be the conclusion of the it'll be the conclusion, yes. I've tried to get it out in a year, I have four other books in front of this one, and then of course, working and writing and then reading and trying to do reviews for other authors and things like that, it just kind of cuts down. I I wish I was an author that couldn't drop a book every month or two, but I'm gonna try my best to get that way. A year and a half is a very long time for the next book to come out, and this one has momentum. So I think after I finish the three books that I'm gonna be working on, I think I'll go ahead on and start Dragged Into Darkness three. So maybe I can get it out by Halloween next year.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

So that's what I think we read in between time while we're waiting. Which books of yours should we read?

SPEAKER_03 35:22

Okay, so I still have a small catalog. So I've only it'll be two years this September that I've been published. So I also have my debut novel, The Inheritance of Amaya Montgomery. And that's the novel where I had to get it edited twice. So you can actually see the development in my writing. You know, I've been writing all my life, but some of the writing in Amaya, it talks like a therapist, where not all of it, still a good book, but in certain conversations, it's almost like a natural, it's not a natural flow of conversation. I can tell you like three conversations where it's not where it's doing so much explaining when you don't really need that in a book. And but I put it in there. So I'm probably gonna go cut that out too at a later date. But I'm afraid to cut it out because we have an audio book as well. So, but the inheritance of Maya Montgomery. I do have a short spicy romance, and I'm working on the novella for this. The short spicy romance is about detective uh Nia Daniels, who goes undercover to take down this uh handsome

Community Beta Readers And Bullying Backstory

SPEAKER_03 36:40

drug dealer, okay, big-time drug dealer, and she ended up fought, they ended up falling for each other. So she ended up falling for him. And and the next book that I'm writing on, it writing about it gives more character development for Eden. Why would she even fall for her target and development about Damien? Like, is it really just a bad boy? Is it more to him that others don't know? And then, because it picks up from where the short story let off, because he goes to prison. Well, he goes to jail. He goes to jail, so you just get more of the book because the short story it gives you a little bit about them, but it's more so about her trying to take him down, and it's more so about sex. So the next one would be a spicy romance. Yeah, not erotica, not erotica.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

But I was like, look, I had got happy for a little second, like we can't. Yeah, not erotica.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Yeah, it's very, very, very spicy.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Like four, how many chili peppers? Because you know they be majoring about the chili peppers.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

I would say three and a half out of five.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Oh, that's spicy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So let us know where we can follow you.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Okay. So you can follow me on Facebook. It's Gilletta Shavers. Last name, S-H-A, V as and Victor, E-R-S, Gilletta Shavers. On Instagram, it is author underscore Gilletta underscore one two three. TikTok is at author Gilletta Shavers. And also my website is Gilletta P, like P isn't Paul, Gilletta P Shavers.com.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Miss Gilletta, I thank you for joining me today to tell us about your books and we like to hear about your journey. And I can't wait because when you do book three, we're gonna bring you back so we can talk about it. So I look forward to that.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Okay. Can I tell you about another book that I'm working on too? You absolutely can. Okay, so it's gonna be called The Black Castle as of right now, and it is a horror, and uh, it is going to be about two couples who go on vacation, and once they get to, I don't know what country it's gonna take place, but it's out of the United States. So they're gonna have to travel to this country, and they're paying for this vacation, but they they know they're going to a castle, but they're not told where they're going. So they go to this castle, so no one knows where they're going because they don't know where they're going. And they're gonna be trapped into this black, they're gonna be trapped in this black castle, and nothing's gonna be what it seems. It's gonna be a horror.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Yo, but I was just gonna say, well, you said it was gonna be horror. I'm like, Yo, horror is scary.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Because I like to, I don't like going to the movies, and people like this are horror. I'm just sick looking. All these other people jump, and I'm like, okay, I'm ready to jump now. But I have been to movies where I have jumped, so but I like to jump. I if I'm gonna write a horror story, it's gonna be horrific.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Is this one of the ones that you're working on?

SPEAKER_03 40:24

I haven't started now. I just have the name and the scene because a lot of times stories come to me it's just out of nowhere. So I just started dotting some things down. So this will be the third one. And I'm thinking I was one that I am working

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SPEAKER_03 40:40

on now, it's more of a suspense. I was going to actually drop it at a license to thrill in October. But I might try to stop doing that one and start working on Black Castle. So I'm not sure yet, but I'm ready to read Black Castle. Yeah, and that's why I'm thinking on the heels are dragged into darkness. Maybe I should do Black Castle. So I'm not sure yet.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

But yeah, well, I thank you so much for having me. And look, and I'll actually see you at License to Thrill. Yay, let's see. All right, okay. And you enjoy the rest of your day, beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

You too. Thank you so much for having me. Have a good evening.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Thank you, you too.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

All right, bye.